Building a better Fantasy Baseball League - RULES Voting

[Toddzilla]

Please cast your vote on the following rules - I've taken the suggestions of everyone in the previous threads to come up with this list. Again, I had to make some editorial decisions in order to make all of the potential choices work together, so if you notice something that doesn't seem right, please let me know.

Voting closes on Saturday March 26.

[Toddzilla]

Player Pool
(1) AL
(2) NL
(3) All of MLB

Draft Type
(1) Auction
(2) Draft

Roster Makeup
(1) 2xC,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,U,9xP
(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories
(1) AVG,HR,RBI,SB,W,S,ERA,WHIP (Standard 4x4)
(2) AVG,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K (Standard 5x5)
(3) OBP,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K

Reserve Players
(1) none
(2) 5 players - included players on the DL
(3) 5 players - no DL players allowed

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will
(2) You can only swap out an active player if they are injured or demoted

DL Players
(1) 3 max
(2) 5 max
(3) no limit

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(1) You can add free agents on the DL to your roster
(2) You cannot pick up free agents on the DL

Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season
(2) No stats for you

Free Agent pickups
(1) first come first served
(2) waiver wire only (top of list gets the player then moves to bottom of list)
(3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)

Keeper Rules
(1) Same number of keepers for everyone
(2) Set range of keepers (a min and max number) *
(3) No restrictions on keepers *

Keeper Impact
If you voted for "Set range of keepers (a min and max number)" or "No restrictions" then you need to vote on this:
(1) Draft picks lost come off the top (1st round, 2nd round, etc)
(2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted **

Keeper rules based on draft position
If you voted for "Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted " above, you need to vote on this:
(1) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 4th round pick - no keeping 1st round picks year to year
(2) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 3rd round pick - no keeping 1st and 2nd round picks year to year
(3) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 2nd round pick - no keeping 1st, 2d, or 3rd round picks year to year

Keeper duration
Only applies if everyone has to keep the same number of players
(1) 1 extra year only
(2) 2 years max
(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
These will be players we draft that are not on the Major League roster that a team will be able to keep as long as they like.
(1) none
(2) 3 players
(3) 5 players

Money
(1) $20 per team
(2) $40 per team
(3) $60 per team
(4) $100 per team

If anything else comes up, I'll add it.

[Toddzilla]

My votes

Player Pool - (2) NL
Draft Type - (2) Draft
Roster Makeup - (1) 2xC,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,U,9xP
Scoring Categories - (3) OBP,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K
Reserve Players - (1) none
Reserve Player Movement - (2) You can only swap out an active player if they are injured or demoted
DL Players - (3) no limit
DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool - (2) You cannot pick up free agents on the DL
Players traded out of the player pool - (2) No stats for you
Free Agent pickups - (2) waiver wire only (top of list gets the player then moves to bottom of list)
Keeper Rules - (3) No restrictions on keepers *
Keeper Impact - (2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted **
Keeper rules based on draft position - (3) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 2nd round pick - no keeping 1st, 2d, or 3rd round picks year to year
Keeper duration - n/a for me
Minor League Rosters - (2) 3 players
Money - (2) $40 per team

[Danny]

Here's my votes even though I may not end up in the league due to lack of room.

Player Pool - (2) NL or (3) MLB
Draft Type - (1) Auction
Roster Makeup - (2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,U,9xP
Scoring Categories - (3) OBP,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K
Reserve Players - (2) 5 players - included players on the DL
Reserve Player Movement - (1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will
DL Players - (3) no limit
DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool - (2) You cannot pick up free agents on the DL
Players traded out of the player pool - (1) keep stats
Free Agent pickups - (3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)
Keeper Rules - (3) No restrictions on keepers *
Keeper Impact - (2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted or auction amount **
Keeper rules based on draft position - (2) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 3rd round pick - no keeping 1st and 2nd round picks year to year (though I voted auction so really this would be a vote for like +$5 or something like that
Keeper duration - n/a for me
Minor League Rosters - (2) 3 players
Money - (2) $40 per team

[Oilers9911]

My votes are below.

Player Pool
(2) NL

Draft Type
(2) Draft

Roster Makeup
(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories
(2) AVG,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K (Standard 5x5)

Reserve Players
(2) 5 players - included players on the DL

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will

DL Players
(1) 3 max

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(1) You can add free agents on the DL to your roster

Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season

Free Agent pickups
(2) waiver wire only (top of list gets the player then moves to bottom of list)

Keeper Rules
(3) No restrictions on keepers *

Keeper Impact
If you voted for "Set range of keepers (a min and max number)" or "No restrictions" then you need to vote on this:
(2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted **

Keeper rules based on draft position
If you voted for "Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted " above, you need to vote on this:
(1) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 4th round pick - no keeping 1st round picks year to year

Keeper duration
Only applies if everyone has to keep the same number of players
(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
These will be players we draft that are not on the Major League roster that a team will be able to keep as long as they like.
(3) 5 players

Money
(1) $20 per team
(2) $40 per team

(I'm ok with either of these. $40 max)

[PackerFanatic]

My votes...

Player Pool
(2) NL

Draft Type
(1) Auction

Roster Makeup
(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories
(2) AVG,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K (Standard 5x5)

Reserve Players
(1) none

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will

DL Players
(2) 5 max

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(2) You cannot pick up free agents on the DL

Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season

Free Agent pickups
(3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)

Keeper Rules
(1) Same number of keepers for everyone

Keeper Impact
(2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted

Keeper rules based on draft position
(1) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 4th round pick - no keeping 1st round picks year to year

Keeper duration
(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
(3) 5 players

Money
(2) $40 per team

If anything else comes up, I'll add it.

[Suicane75]

Player Pool
(2) NL

Draft Type
(1) Auction

Roster Makeup
(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories
(2) AVG,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K (Standard 5x5)

Reserve Players
(3) 5 players - no DL players allowed

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will

DL Players
(1) 3 max

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(1) You can add free agents on the DL to your roster

Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season

Free Agent pickups
(3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)

Keeper Rules
(2) Set range of keepers (a min and max number) *

Keeper Impact
If you voted for "Set range of keepers (a min and max number)" or "No restrictions" then you need to vote on this:
(2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted **

Keeper rules based on draft position
If you voted for "Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted " above, you need to vote on this:
(1) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 4th round pick - no keeping 1st round picks year to year

Keeper duration
Only applies if everyone has to keep the same number of players
(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
These will be players we draft that are not on the Major League roster that a team will be able to keep as long as they like.
(3) 5 players

Money
(3) $60 per team
(4) $100 per team

If anything else comes up, I'll add it.


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[Johnny93g]

Here are my votes

Player Pool
(3) All of MLB

Draft Type
(2) Draft

Roster Makeup
(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories
(2) AVG,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K (Standard 5x5)

Reserve Players
(2) 5 players - included players on the DL

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will

DL Players
(2) 5 max

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(2) You cannot pick up free agents on the DL

Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season

Free Agent pickups
(3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)

Keeper Rules
(1) Same number of keepers for everyone

Keeper Impact
(2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted **

Keeper rules based on draft position
If you voted for "Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted " above, you need to vote on this:
(1) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 4th round pick - no keeping 1st round picks year to year

Keeper duration
Only applies if everyone has to keep the same number of players
(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
These will be players we draft that are not on the Major League roster that a team will be able to keep as long as they like.
(3) 5 players

Money
(1) $20 per team
(2) $40 per team

[stevew]

Player Pool
(2) NL

Draft Type
(1) Auction

Roster Makeup
(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories
(3) OBP,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K
I think we should be progressive and track QS instead of Wins...or something like that.

Can it be saves minus blown saves?
Reserve Players
(1) none

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will

DL Players
(1) 3 max

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(2) You cannot pick up free agents on the DL

Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season

Free Agent pickups
(3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)

Keeper Rules
(2) Set range of keepers (a min and max number) *

assuming that the min is actually zero
Keeper Impact
If you voted for "Set range of keepers (a min and max number)" or "No restrictions" then you need to vote on this:
(1) Draft picks lost come off the top (1st round, 2nd round, etc)

Keeper duration
(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
These will be players we draft that are not on the Major League roster that a team will be able to keep as long as they like.
(3) 5 players

Money
(1) $20 per team or
(2) $40 per team

I really want to be able to draft my team, so if we're going to do this on wednesday night or something of next week, I may need to bail.

[Glengoyne]

My votes

Player Pool
(2) NL


Draft Type
(2) Draft

Roster Makeup
(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories
(3) OBP,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K

Reserve Players
(3) 5 players - no DL players allowed

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will


DL Players
(3) no limit

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(2) You cannot pick up free agents on the DL

Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season


Free Agent pickups
(3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)

Keeper Rules
(2) Set range of keepers (a min and max number) *


Keeper Impact
If you voted for "Set range of keepers (a min and max number)" or "No restrictions" then you need to vote on this:
(2) Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted **

Keeper rules based on draft position
If you voted for "Draft picks lost are based on where the keeper was previously drafted " above, you need to vote on this:

(2) You keep a 5th rounder, you lose a 3rd round pick - no keeping 1st and 2nd round picks year to year


Keeper duration
Only applies if everyone has to keep the same number of players

(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
These will be players we draft that are not on the Major League roster that a team will be able to keep as long as they like.

(3) 5 players

Money

(2) $40 per team


If anything else comes up, I'll add it.

[terpkristin]

Holy crap. I am probably going to lose HANDILY in this league given that I don't know much about minor leagues or NL (well, I follow AL more).

I don't mind playing and losing, but if you guys want to throw chaff out, I understand.

Meanwhile, my votes, were I not voted out:
Player Pool
(2) NL
(being a follower)

Draft Type
(2) Draft

Roster Makeup
(1) 2xC,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,U,9xP

Scoring Categories
(3) OBP,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K

Reserve Players
(2) 5 players - included players on the DL

Reserve Player Movement
[abstain]

DL Players
(1) 3 max

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(1) You can add free agents on the DL to your roster

Players traded out of the player pool
(2) No stats for you

Free Agent pickups
(2) waiver wire only (top of list gets the player then moves to bottom of list)

Keeper Rules
(1) Same number of keepers for everyone

Keeper Impact
N/A

Keeper rules based on draft position
N/A

Keeper duration
(2) 2 years max

Minor League Rosters
(3) 5 players

Money
(1) $20 per team
or up to
(2) $40 per team



/tk

[PackerFanatic]

TK - I don't follow the minors at all either, so we will be on the same page with that at least :)

[Oilers9911]

Holy crap. I am probably going to lose HANDILY in this league given that I don't know much about minor leagues or NL (well, I follow AL more).

I don't mind playing and losing, but if you guys want to throw chaff out, I understand.



You guys know that this means she'll win in a cakewalk right? :)

[Chief Rum]

Player Pool: All of MLB (but I am fine with the other options)
Draft Type: Draft
Roster Makeup: If the pool is All MLB, I go with (1); if it's just one league, I go with (2)
Scoring Categories: (3)
Reserve Players: If All MLB, (2); If it's just one league, (1)
Reserve Player Movement: (1)
DL Players: 3 Max
DL Players In The FA Pool: (2) Cannot pick up DL players from FA pool
Players traded out of player pool: No stats
Free Agent pickups: (2) Waiver wire only
Keeper Rules: I prefer (1), but I wouldn't mind (2); I don't want (3)
Keeper Rules Based On Draft Position: (2) Picks lost based on where keeper picked
Keeper Impact: (2)--but I am fine with (1); (3) is really stretching it, IMO
Keeper Duration: (2) 2 years max, I am fine with (1), I think (3) is way too long
Minor League Rosters: (3) 5 players-- I think minor leaguers are essential to a keeper league like this
Money: (2) $40, seems the amount to make it worth it without going overboard, but really I am fine with any amount

[Toddzilla]

Here's the list of who has voted....

Toddzilla
Danny
Oilers9911
PackerFanatic
Suicane75
Johnny93g
stevew
Glengoyne
terpkristen
chiefrum

and here are the people who expressed interest that did not vote

Mustang
cougarfreak
cubboyroy

Alternates: , cmgdodgers, Icy

I'll PM the holdouts and get this going - It looks like we'll be running this on ESPN - it's "Maximun Customizeable!" and the interface is nice. We'll have to hack the way we do keepers (I've done it before, tried and true) but otherwise we'll be set.

[Suicane75]

Big thanks to Todd for doing all this. It is appreciated. And Trp, stop threatening to step aside, i've never won money from a scientist before, don't kill my dream.

[Glengoyne]

The only minor league news I'm aware of is for the Fresno Grizzlies, and that only because I have season tickets. I'll be referencing the same top prospects report that you see on ESPN.

[PackerFanatic]

Big thanks to Todd for doing all this. It is appreciated. And Trp, stop threatening to step aside, i've never won money from a scientist before, don't kill my dream.

+1 on the Todd thanks.

And the other comment is hilarious. I am excited for this league :)

[terpkristin]

HAHAHAHAHAH Suicane. :)

I'm excited for this league but I know that definitely the first year is going to be rough for me (never done a keeper league, not as up on the NL as I am AL, never done a weekly thing, don't know much about the minors, etc etc). I have yet to find any minor league info on espn.com either (granted I hate their website).

Big ups to Todd for this idea (and the follow-through!).

/tk

[stevew]

If in doubt just grab people off of some organizational top 10 lists.

[Mustang]

Player Pool

(2) NL


Draft Type
(1) Auction


Roster Makeup

(2) C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP

Scoring Categories

(2) AVG,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K (Standard 5x5)


Reserve Players

(2) 5 players - included players on the DL

Reserve Player Movement
(1) You can swap active players and reserve players at will


DL Players

(3) no limit

DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool
(1) You can add free agents on the DL to your roster


Players traded out of the player pool
(1) Keep their stats for remainder of season


Free Agent pickups

(3) waivers plus FAAB (best bid gets the player, waiver order decides ties)

Keeper Rules
(1) Same number of keepers for everyone


Keeper duration
Only applies if everyone has to keep the same number of players

(3) 3 years max

Minor League Rosters
These will be players we draft that are not on the Major League roster that a team will be able to keep as long as they like.

(3) 5 players

Money

(2) $40 per team


If anything else comes up, I'll add it.

[Danny]

Seems we really need to finalize these rules and a draft date at this point.

[Toddzilla]

Here is what I've entered into the ESPN league:

Player Pool - NL
Draft Type - Draft
Roster Makeup - C,1B,2B,SS,3B,MI,CI,5xOF,2xU,9xP
Scoring Categories - OBP,HR,RBI,SB,R,W,S,ERA,WHIP,K
Reserve Players - 5
Reserve Player Movement - You can swap active players and reserve players at will
DL Players - *Count as reserve players*
DL Players in the Free-Agent Pool - You can pick up free agents on the DL
Players traded out of the player pool - Keep their stats for remainder of season
Free Agent pickups - FAAB, ties based on inverse-order of stanings, reset weekly.
Keeper Rules - none
Minor League Rosters - none
Roster Moves are due before the first pitch of the day
Waivers for free agent pickups are run twice a week on Thursday and Sunday evenings.
FAAB of $100 is used with a $0 minimum.

Please note this is NOT the final say on our rules - we will have to use some house rules to get around the ESPN restrictions and to enable keepers the way we want to use them. Don't worry, it sounds complicated but it is actually very simple.

Here are the rules we will be enforcing that are outside ESPN's scope:

DL players - unlimited number, you can NOT pick up free-agents on the DL

Reserve Players and the DL: It looks like the ESPN default is 5 reserve players and 8 max on the DL. Hopefully this will suffice, but if we get into a situation where are team needs to disable a 9th player, I will keep note of that player and make sure they remain the protected property of the team that has him. Also, ESPN cannot prevent you from picking up a DL player from the free-agent pool, so don't do it. If you do, I'll back out the transaction and ridicule you mercilessly.

As for keepers, we can do this manually. At the end of the year, we'll figure out our keepers, distribute the list to everyone in the league, then when it is time to draft next year, you will pick your keeper player in the approporiate spot.

Also, Minor league rosters will be done manually as well - they will not be part of the reserve lists as they are seperate players. When you want to call one of your players up, you can pick them up via waivers - I'll prevent owners from picking up other owners minor league players.

I'll detail the rest of the rules in the next post.

[Toddzilla]

So the voting on Keepers was as such:

No limit - 4 votes
Same number for everyone - 4 votes
Range of players - 3 votes

So we'll need to vote on that again.

Keeper Impact will be based on draft position, and keeping a 5th round pick means you lose a 4th rounder the next year.

You will be able to keep a player a max of 3 years

There will be a 5 player minor league squad

We are playing for $50

After the run-off vote for the Keeper rule - look for the thread - I'll finalize ESPN

Also, we will choose a draft date in the run-off thread

[Danny]

Sounds great! Really hoping I get a spot