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DeToxRox
05-19-2011, 12:35 PM
Amazon.com: Those Guys Have All the Fun: Inside the World of ESPN (9780316043007): James Andrew Miller, Tom Shales: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Those-Guys-Have-All-Fun/dp/0316043001)

'Those Guys Have all the Fun': So what exactly is in that top-secret ESPN book? | Shelf Life | EW.com (http://shelf-life.ew.com/2011/05/17/espn-those-guys-have-all-the-fun/)


James Andrew Miller and Tom Shales’ followup to their excellent 2002 Saturday Night Live book, Live From New York, is an oral history of ESPN, and its contents have been a closely guarded secret (GQ recently posted some of the book’s juiciest Olbermann sections). Until today, that is. Publisher Little, Brown just lifted their embargo, meaning that we can now reveal some details of the much-anticipated project. So what’s the big secret? The book is enormous — 700-plus pages of interviews with big names like Keith Olbermann, Chris Berman, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Eisner, Erin Andrews, and many, many more. The authors talked to more than 550 people and cover an amazing amount of ground. It’s a serious, impressive piece of work, if a little too long and padded out with less-interesting material. The book offers a nuanced look at ESPN, does some top-notch TV-biz reporting on the early days of the cable industry, and offers compelling behind-the-scenes stories about a number of big events (ESPN’s botched takeover of Monday Night Football, the creation of the X Games, the Rush Limbaugh-Donovan McNabb blowup). But what everyone will probably want to talk about, at least for now, is the dirt. And there’s a bunch of it: the book is packed with huge egos and bad behavior. Here are just a few highlights:
– “The company would have Christmas parties up at some horrible place in Bristol [Conn., where ESPN is based],” says former general counsel Andy Brilliant. “A couple of them were drunken orgies…. It became like a big frat party. There were a lot of drugs being done in the bathroom. There was quite a bit of screwing going on afterward, a lot of it extramarital. But everybody went back to business the next workday.”

– “There was screwing in the hallways,” says onetime reporter Sal Marchiano of ESPN’s early days. “Okay, maybe not in the hallways, but there were a couple of stairwell stories…. There were drugs in the building, that I knew. There was one guy who dealt pot.”

– At one point in the ’80s ESPN kept an apartment in New York City. “I remember [an ESPN exec] coming in and saying, ‘We gotta get rid of this apartment…because the mail boys got a couple of our secretaries hooking over there,’” says former ESPN CEO Bill Grimes. “Hooking! That’s what he said…. ‘They’re making money after work when no one’s there. It’s getting out of control.’”

RainMaker
05-19-2011, 12:44 PM
Preordered this, loved the SNL book by them. Should be a good read.

Sun Tzu
05-19-2011, 01:46 PM
OMG! People were smoking pot?

The nerve...

MikeVic
05-19-2011, 01:48 PM
So... are they hiring?

thesloppy
05-19-2011, 02:00 PM
That's some pretty weak 'dirt' without some big names attached. Drunken holiday parties? 2nd-hand stairwell sex stories? I could get the same anonymous dirt at probably any office in America with a 30-year history, and more salacious work stories out of a random waitress on the bus.

..the business stuff and history might interest me, though.

lcjjdnh
05-19-2011, 02:54 PM
I liked this summary of the book from the Deadspin comments:

"People at Area Company Dislike Co-Workers"

RainMaker
05-19-2011, 03:05 PM
It sounds like working at ESPN would be incredibly fun as long as Mike Tirico isn't attracted to you or you're a female and gave Sean Salisbury your number.

I. J. Reilly
05-19-2011, 04:11 PM
“I remember [an ESPN exec] coming in and saying, ‘We gotta get rid of this apartment…because the mail boys got a couple of our secretaries hooking over there,’”

I don't think the apartment is the problem here.

BYU 14
05-19-2011, 07:03 PM
It sounds like working at ESPN would be incredibly fun as long as Mike Tirico isn't attracted to you or you're a female and gave Sean Salisbury your number.

Or Harold Reynolds

Really curious to see if any one gets thrown under the bus and not just the generic snippets below.

Ragone
05-19-2011, 09:08 PM
I hope to god they cover the jeremy green debacle in this book.. that should be some good and awkward reading..

Galaxy
05-19-2011, 09:11 PM
Did they party with the German insurer?

Ragone
05-19-2011, 09:17 PM
or the fact that they pay matthew berry upwards of 100k a year to be absolutely the worst fantasy analyst of all time

DeToxRox
05-19-2011, 09:22 PM
It's over 700 pages so I assume there is some good stuff.

Desnudo
05-20-2011, 08:34 AM
I don't think the apartment is the problem here.

That's the best part. Not, "Hey we need to fire our mailboys and secretaries!"

RomaGoth
05-20-2011, 10:37 AM
I wonder if there is anything in there about how much Chris Berman eats.

Ksyrup
05-20-2011, 10:43 AM
Chapter 487 Chris Berman: The Applebee's Incident

fantom1979
05-20-2011, 11:29 AM
or the fact that they pay matthew berry upwards of 100k a year to be absolutely the worst fantasy analyst of all time

As with most of the "talent" at ESPN, I don't think he is there for his sports knowledge. I find his type of humor entertaining and I enjoy his podcast. His ability to predict the future (or use advanced stats to try to do so) is not his strong suit.

markprior22
05-20-2011, 11:38 AM
I imagine the best parts of the book are on the editing room floor. If it told about all the stories and named names I would love to read it. Probably won't mess with it unless I hear really good things about it.

General Mike
05-21-2011, 12:18 PM
A lot of these stories were in Will Leitch's book a few years ago IIRC.

Shkspr
05-25-2011, 01:18 AM
About 150 pages in, and outside of a couple of pages regarding the NY apartment incident, very little salaciousness so far. The story of ESPN is presented more or less chronologically, which means we're in the late '80s and the arrival of NFL games on the network for the first time. In the view of the authors, the first decade of the network is notable almost solely for the warfare between the various executives that tried to chart a course for the fledgling channel. On the one hand, the material so far is of limited interest to the general fan because the faces so far are those of a great many background executives whose names won't be familiar to the public. On the other hand, the book is a nice change of pace from the self-serving bios put out by Bill Rasmussen (the guy who had the idea of ESPN) and Stuart Evey (who was the money guy at Getty Oil, ESPN's early backer) on the founding of the network. I had read the Rasmussen book a while ago and had no inkling of the contempt in which the other early execs in the company held him. Likewise, Evey comes off quite poorly when not in control of the book's narrative. Or when not in control in general.

We're coming now to the part of the story where the management team has settled down and the second wave of on-air talent (behind Berman, Ley, and a bunch of guys who didn't stick around) should pop up pretty quick in the narrative, so I believe the focus of the book will become closer to the type of things sports fans want to read about. So far, it feels like I've finished the first part of a trilogy; it'll be interesting to see if the second part of the story maintains that structure.