Hattrick idiot noob questions...

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... I'm giving it a shot, but right now, my squad sucks donkey ass, and unless I can find a way to make noticable improvement soon, I'm giving up.

1. Transfers are almost totally out of the question, becuase I don't have time to sit on the wire and keep from getting out-bid at the last second by some choad who has nothing better to do all day.

2. I've already fired one coach - he sucked, and, honestly, the new guy's not much better, but it seemed to make the fan club happy. Here's my match results so far:
4/7/2003 (League): Shell RimulaX - Drunken Crusaders 6 - 1
4/9/2003 (Friendly): Wrendyr IF - Drunken Crusaders 7 - 0
4/14/2003 (League): Drunken Crusaders - White Trash 0 - 5
4/17/2003 (Friendly): Drunken Crusaders - SF Tides 1 - 3
4/21/2003 (League): Saigon - Drunken Crusaders 6 - 0

By the way... I'm the "Drunken Crusaders," in case there was any doubt. Is it typical to be so damned bad?

3. Here's my club expenditures:

The Club

Youth Squad: weak
Investment in the Youth squad: 20 000 US$ / week

Goaltending Coaches: 2
Assistant Coaches: 3
Sport Psychologists: 1
Spokepersons: 2
Economists: 1
Physiotherapists: 2
Doctors: 2

Too much? Not enough? So far, my youth squad pulls have been abysmal.

4. Here's my economy:

Economy

Cash funds: 203 411 US$ (168 211) US$
Sponsors: satisfied
Supporter Club: 530 members
Supporters: calm

Not bad, but at the rate I'm going, I'll be broke soon. I'd like to figure things out before I get there. I have enough debt in real life. I don't want my escapist computer games to be that realistic.

5. Here's the arena:

Arena: Drunken Crusaders Arena

Belongs to: Drunken Crusaders
Country: USA
Region : California
Last improvement: 4/21/2003
Total capacity: 7600

Terraces: 5000
Basic seating: 2000
Seats under roof: 500
Seats in VIP boxes: 100

Again.. enough? Too much? Also, what's the benefit (if any) of paying to re-name the arena?

6. My training:

Training

Training Level: 90%
Training Type: Defending
Coach: Warren Kearney
Team Spirit: calm
Confidence: poor

The intesity level is the same as it was when I took over. I don't have any idea what type of training to do, so I set it to defense, since my goalies suck, and they're getting shelled.

7. My coach:

Warren Kearney (10996189)
54 years, wretched form, healthy
A poor coach who prefers a strong defensive game
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has excellent experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 0 US$
Wage: 500 US$/week
Owner: Drunken Crusaders
Warnings: 0

He's a loser. Fire him? Or am I doing something else wrong?

8. My players are all mostly bad. I have two with six-figure values. I won't list them all here unless somebody REALLY wants to be helpful and offer suggestions for the entire bloody roster.

Thanks for any advice.

[Nyarlahotep]

That coach sucks and list your players.

[McSweeny]

yeah fire your coach and try and get at least a passable, solid being the best.

you can try and sneak in and grab some players on the transfer wire when there is only a few minutes left. You can search by players who will go in the next two hours

[Franklinnoble]

Thanks... I'll fire the bastard now. Here are my players:

Your 21 players

Aubrey Numbers
266 000 US$, 26 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: passable

Dan Frederick
124 000 US$, 24 years, poor form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

Rickie Minor
65 000 US$, 22 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Claudio Evangelista
64 000 US$, 29 years, weak form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: inadequate

Floyd Dodd
61 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: disastrous Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: poor

Luo Kai-Yu
61 000 US$, 23 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and solid leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: inadequate

James Williams
54 000 US$, 30 years, inadequate form
Has inadequate experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor

Alvin Wang
36 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable

Emerson Villarreal
32 000 US$, 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous

Lowell Gallardo
31 000 US$, 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Francisco Alcolea
25 000 US$, 23 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Chip Mims
22 000 US$, 22 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: disastrous
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

Tory Hinson
21 000 US$, 24 years, passable form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid

Michael Read
20 000 US$, 22 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid

Tommy Lee Paquette
13 000 US$, 29 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Julio Cadenas
12 000 US$, 26 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Jerry Eggleston
8 000 US$, 27 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Delmer Littlejohn
6 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable

Ulysses Chong
3 000 US$, 19 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

Warren Kearney
0 US$, 54 years, wretched form
Has excellent experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: disastrous Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous

Christopher Shanks
0 US$, 19 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and solid leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous

[Franklinnoble]

Here's the new coach... fire his ass and try for a better one?

Gregory Machado (11207474)
47 years, disastrous form, healthy
A inadequate coach who goes all out
A pleasant guy who is calm and upright.
Has excellent experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 0 US$
Wage: 500 US$/week
Owner: Drunken Crusaders
Warnings: 0

[Franklinnoble]

My Team Spirit is now "content" and my Confidence is "Strong"

[Nyarlahotep]

He's better, but passable or solid coaching is really what you want if at all possible. IT just depends how much money you want to spend.

[Nyarlahotep]

Set training intensity to 100% and train stamina.

[Doug5984]

1. Transfers are almost totally out of the question, becuase I don't have time to sit on the wire and keep from getting out-bid at the last second by some choad who has nothing better to do all day.

It is best to try and go after players that you know you will be able to check on when the time is expiring- if you can't do that then I would suggest figuring out how much you would be willing to pay and make a bid around that amount and hopefully no one else will go after him.

3. Here's my club expenditures:

The Club

Youth Squad: weak
Investment in the Youth squad: 20 000 US$ / week

Goaltending Coaches: 2
Assistant Coaches: 3
Sport Psychologists: 1
Spokepersons: 2
Economists: 1
Physiotherapists: 2
Doctors: 2

Too much? Not enough? So far, my youth squad pulls have been abysmal.


20k a week in the youth squad is good. 2 Goal coaches is what you want. I would suggest 6-8 assisstant coaches. I am not sure what sport psycologists do so I can't help you here. 2 spokespersons is a good #, they pay for them self so over time you will want more. you do not need an economist unless you have over $500k in profit or are in serious debt. 2 Physiotherapists is a good #. You do not need any doctors unless you have players on your team who are hurt.

5. Here's the arena:

Arena: Drunken Crusaders Arena

Belongs to: Drunken Crusaders
Country: USA
Region : California
Last improvement: 4/21/2003
Total capacity: 7600

Terraces: 5000
Basic seating: 2000
Seats under roof: 500
Seats in VIP boxes: 100

Again.. enough? Too much? Also, what's the benefit (if any) of paying to re-name the arena?


Since it costs $30k no matter how many seats you put in, it is a general rule of thumb to build atleast 3,000 at a time....Also when you upgrade your stadium there is a stadium calculator to tell you how many of each type of seats to build...Once your fan base gets around 600-650 I would suggest upgrading again.

6. My training:

Training

Training Level: 90%
Training Type: Defending
Coach: Warren Kearney
Team Spirit: calm
Confidence: poor

The intesity level is the same as it was when I took over. I don't have any idea what type of training to do, so I set it to defense, since my goalies suck, and they're getting shelled.

Since you have 2 Physiotherapists you can raise your training level to around 95%...some will say 100...it all depends on what you want to do, the higher it is the more likely it is your team will have injuries.

As for your coach- he is inadaquate which is only a level below passable....I would try to get atleast a passable but again it is up to you.

[Franklinnoble]

Sweet! Fired my coach again, and I got:

Jay Youngblood (11207531)
41 years, disastrous form, healthy
A solid coach who goes all out
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has brilliant experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 0 US$
Wage: 500 US$/week
Owner: Drunken Crusaders
Warnings: 0

[Doug5984]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Sweet! Fired my coach again, and I got:

Jay Youngblood (11207531)
41 years, disastrous form, healthy
A solid coach who goes all out
A pleasant guy who is balanced and upright.
Has brilliant experience and inadequate leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 0 US$
Wage: 500 US$/week
Owner: Drunken Crusaders
Warnings: 0

So you ot a solid coach who goes all out on your second try?.....I hate you. :p

[NAIWF]

You've got a wretched defender playing defense (Littlejohn) instead of your solid guy (Gallardo) for starters. Hinson has no stamina for the midfield. Frederick should be playing defense too, as he's also a solid. Switch Evangelista's position with Williams.

Those jump out at me, although I'm still new to the game. You seem to have talent, but they're being played out of position.

[Doug5984]

You can also use http://www.mybestteam.tk/ to help with deciding who to play and where....I am not sure if that is the correct link since I havn't used it in a while.

[Nyarlahotep]

Gratz on the coach!! I have quickly looked through your players and come up with a 3-5-2 lineup:

IM's:

Aubrey Numbers
266 000 US$, 26 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: passable

Michael Read
20 000 US$, 22 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid

Jerry Eggleston
8 000 US$, 27 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid


Forwards:

Floyd Dodd
61 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: disastrous Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: poor


James Williams
54 000 US$, 30 years, inadequate form
Has inadequate experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor

CD's:

Dan Frederick
124 000 US$, 24 years, poor form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Technical]

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

Lowell Gallardo
31 000 US$, 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid


Keeper:

Emerson Villarreal
32 000 US$, 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous


Wingback:

Chip Mims
22 000 US$, 22 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: disastrous
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous


Wingers:

Alvin Wang
36 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable

Claudio Evangelista
64 000 US$, 29 years, weak form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: inadequate


I really would suggest you at the very least go out and buy a passable keeper for 75k or so. If someone sees something I missed, please point it out. Also make James Williams your team captain.

[Franklinnoble]

What about the players? Who's worth keeping? I've read some of the Hattrick dynasty threads, and I get the impression that a lot of guys unload their valualble older players and build for the future... I'm just worried about my squad getting worse (is that possible?) and my fan base evaporating.

Also, I really have no clue, aside from what I read in the online beginner's guide, on how to set my lineups. I've never played soccer, never watched soccer, and really have no understanding of the underlying concepts of the game that drive the simulation.

[Airhog]

Use my best team, for now.

The only player I would consider upgrading from the start would be a keeper, you should be able to find a inad or passable keeper for a pretty decent price.

When it comes to bidding, I never bid on a guy unless its right near the end. Dont try to play the market unless you have some time to spend when the bidding is up. There is just too much competition to expect to not get into a bidding war unless your bidding on some crap player....

[McSweeny]

if you're looking for a cheap, young inad keeper i've got this guy for sale... he's only up to 1,000 as of now

Danny Colburn (11183584)
19 years, passable form, healthy

A sympathetic guy who is balanced and honest.
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 139 000 US$
Wage: 1 240 US$/week
Owner: S. Boston Hooligans
Warnings: 0


Stamina: disastrous Goaltending: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

[Franklinnoble]

Awesome... I can't thank all of you enough for all your input.

I'll look for a better keeper... and try out that mybestteam site for lineup suggestions, I guess...

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Gratz on the coach!! I have quickly looked through your players and come up with a 3-5-2 lineup:


I really would suggest you at the very least go out and buy a passable keeper for 75k or so. If someone sees something I missed, please point it out. Also make James Williams your team captain.

Wow... thanks for taking the time to do all that... I'll make that lineup my orders for my next match, and let you know how it goes. :D

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Doug5984
So you ot a solid coach who goes all out on your second try?.....I hate you. :p

Yeah... I thought twice about sharing that right away... I've read about people spending hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to find a good coach. :)

[Nyarlahotep]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Wow... thanks for taking the time to do all that... I'll make that lineup my orders for my next match, and let you know how it goes. :D

It might not go well due to confusion. That is why it is best to start with today's friendly.

[-Panther]

when you got free time, check out these sites:

Hattricks (http://www.databased.at/hattrick/index.asp) is a GREAT place to learn about training, what to train and how long to expect before noticable changes.
it will also help you on what and how many of each staff you should have. an all-around awesome site.

MyBestTeam (http://www.mycgiserver.com/servlet/groton.stayaway.MyBestTeam) for determining your best lineup. If you're not sure how/what lineup to use, click 'Help On Selectin Tactic'

ABCs of tactics (http://hem.passagen.se/hammervald/abc_of_tactics/abc_of_tactics_index.htm) will give you an idea of repositioning, ie: playing a winger offensive, etc...

the site you'll want to spend the most time at is Hattricks. They can also tell you if you should expand your stadium, how much, and what type of seats.

I do recommend getting a progam like HAM or Hattrick Poli to download your HRF as it will be easier than copy/paste. If you're a 'Supporter' on hattrick, you can download it under the 'Supporter/Downloads' menu.

Don't get discouraged, I was in the same boat you're in now. Didn't know squat about soccer. Now I think I've got a 'decent' team and can only go up from here :P

[dacman]

I'll second that -- -Panther is probably the 2nd best team in my division in very short order. I'm still first of course.

[Nyarlahotep]

Another good program is Absolut Manager. It is like HAM and will give lineup suggestions. It can get your .hrf file and is free.

http://jonas.nu/hattrick/absolut/

[-Panther]

Originally posted by dacman
I'll second that -- -Panther is probably the 2nd best team in my division in very short order. I'm still first of course.

Now that I'm content with :p All I really want this year is a
top 3 spot, preferrably not 1st, and the top scorer :D My defense
puts up good ratings but they are just shy of invisible with the
amount of goals they give up. I'm just looking to contend this year, get a good foundation, and plan to kick some serious a$$
in the seasons to come :cool:

[-Panther]

I'm running HAM, Poli, & AM. AM gives me completely different
lineup configurations than mybestteam. I'm curious to check them
but can't set 'static' players on mybestteam. Only thing I wish AM
included was a lineup rating like mybestteam. If mybestteam had
an online pay I'd prob buy it but I'm not sending it to Italy.

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... my new keeper... I probably overpaid.... just got him for $16,000

Riley Bostic (8818260)
23 years, weak form

A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 97 000 US$
Wage: 1 300 US$/week
Owner: Gastonia United F.C.
Warnings: (this information is not available while matches are in progress)


Stamina: poor Goaltending: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched

Details about scoring cannot be shown while matches are in progress.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Alright... my new keeper... I probably overpaid.... just got him for $16,000

Riley Bostic (8818260)
23 years, weak form

A pleasant guy who is calm and honest.
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities.

Nationality: USA
Assessed value: 97 000 US$
Wage: 1 300 US$/week
Owner: Gastonia United F.C.
Warnings: (this information is not available while matches are in progress)


Stamina: poor Goaltending: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched

Details about scoring cannot be shown while matches are in progress.

he's not bad. if you can get his form up he could put up 2*. You're
in a high scoring division. top 4 teams lowest scorer is 11. Once
you get more familiar with the system and market, you might want
to consider looking for a passable keeper. You'll be looking at
anywhere from 75-100k I got mine for 84k.

Right now, he's fine. I started out getting an inad keeper until I
was more knowledgeable with the market, although that's still
not evident at times lol.

at 16k I don't think you overpaid. He's 23 so he'll take longer to
train, but he's a med/med-high inad keeper. i think they pop to
passable somewhere around 120-140k or something like that.
They guy I got I know I overpaid for. He was inad valued at 70k
and I made someone happy by paying 30k. only wanted to pay 20
tops but the other guy bidding ticked me off and so I bid 30 lol.
I recently sold him because I got a passable and didn't want the
1300+k he was costing me weekly. Only got 12k for him. ouch.

once you get some stamina and form improvements, you'll should
be good enough to not get relegated.

I'd try to train 2 weeks stamina and 1-2 form/general and then
start focusing on your training ritual:p

[Franklinnoble]

Didn't get my new keeper in the lineup for today's friendly... it's halftime... and all I can say is, you guys RULE... I'm up 4-0 at the half...

Keep in mind that 4 goals (which I've scored by HALFTIME) is TWICE my total in all FIVE GAMES I've played since starting my Hattrick career.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Didn't get my new keeper in the lineup for today's friendly... it's halftime... and all I can say is, you guys RULE... I'm up 4-0 at the half...

Keep in mind that 4 goals (which I've scored by HALFTIME) is TWICE my total in all FIVE GAMES I've played since starting my Hattrick career.

that's good. second half might not be as good due to stamina
but I think your def should be able to hold up :D.

I'm not sure how many players you have on roster, but once you
determine what your going to train, try to find some young, 19
and under, guys to fill your B Team (also known as friendly squad)

This way you can train more than 4-5 players.

When looking for players, you ideally want inad or passable in
the skill your training. I've got all inads due to lack of funds to
participate in bidding wars on the passables.

I also avoid 'nasty' players as often as I can because they'll lower
your team spirit when they join your team. popular guys might
boost it but I've never been so lucky...

Also, if you see a cheap player that sux, check to see if he's a
popular guys with solid leadership, if he is and you can get him
without spending big $$$ do it. He's a 'clown' who will help
boost your team spirit. you can also get a 'puesdo clown'
sympathetic/solid that will do the same but to a lesser degree.

If you have anyone with solid leadership who is controversal or
worse, you should look to replace them as they will damage your
TS.

Well, now that I've probably overloaded you, I'll let you enjoy your
game. GL :cool:

[Nyarlahotep]

Glad to hear it's working out for you. I'm having a stroke watching my cup match. Just took the lead on a div III team though, so WOOOOOT!!

[Franklinnoble]

Well, I won my first match, 4-1. Granted, it's only a friendly, but after losing 5 straight, I'll take it. I'll spend tomorrow reviewing the rest of the advice I have here to read and see what else I can do to improve for my upcoming league match (which is against the #2 team in my division).

[Nyarlahotep]

Gratz, when I get some extra time I'll look over your extra players o see if you should do some selling/ firing.

[Vince]

Lowell Gallardo
31 000 US$, 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

18 year old Solid defender? You could probably get a pretty penny for him, and to be competitive you probably don't need his services. However, he's young, and if you decide to train defending, in about 8 weeks you could have yourself an 18 year old Excellent defender...

[Doug5984]

Originally posted by Vince
Lowell Gallardo
31 000 US$, 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

18 year old Solid defender? You could probably get a pretty penny for him, and to be competitive you probably don't need his services. However, he's young, and if you decide to train defending, in about 8 weeks you could have yourself an 18 year old Excellent defender...

Yeah an 18 year old solid will get you an easy $150k.....If you are not training Defense you should sell him, then buy an older Solid defender for around $95k.

[Nyarlahotep]

Was gonna post a fire/ sell list, but I see you have already started selling. put Ricky Minor up for sale. He's worthless.

[Franklinnoble]

Ok... Minor and Gallardo are up for sale now... in addition to Littlejohn, Eggleston, and Paquette. Anyone else I should ditch?

[Franklinnoble]

Also... anyone interested in a friendly this week? I'm an easy target, and I figure I owe you guys SOMETHING. ;)

[Franklinnoble]

A few more questions...

1.) How do you issue press releases? I can't seem to find it.

2.) What's the benefit of being a supporter? I know what they say on the site, but I'd like to hear it from anyone here who might have already tried it... it's not expensive, so that's not a big deal, but what do you really get? Also... what are federations good for?

[Nyarlahotep]

Fire Luo Kai-Yu I can't imagine you would be able to sell a weak keeper and you would just lose the transfer listing fee. And buy a decent IM, you really need to switch to 3-5-2. A wretched midfield won't win you many games.

You need Supporter to issue press releases. I like Supporter because it will keep track of my best performances, lets me put up a picture, lets me do press releases, has a guest book, and lets me be in federations. Federations are just extra conferences where you can get advice or talk about things you like. Some of the bigger ones host their own cups (in case you didn't want to be in the FOFC Cup), just basic stuff like that.

[Franklinnoble]

Ok... I fired Luo Kai-Yu... I've made one more purchase (and am now nearly broke... ah, the price of success), so I now have the following keepers on my squad - should I retain all of them?:

Emerson Villarreal
32 000 US$, 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous

Juán Holloway
161 000 US$, 22 years, wretched form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous

Riley Bostic
97 000 US$, 23 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched

[Nyarlahotep]

No, fire the weak one. He's probably better than the inad right now because of form, but you need to get the two you are gonna keep playtime so they can improve form. If you don't already have a couple, hire two or so keeper coaches. They will help form as well. It may turn out that Holloway isn't very far from solid. Once he goes up in form a few levels I will be able to tell. The keeper coaches will even give your keepers a tiny bit of training while you are working on stamina. I really, really think you need to get a decent IM and switch to 3-5-2 or even 4-5-1, your series is fairly tough and your current midfield ratings are not going to put you in a position to win many games.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
A few more questions...

1.) How do you issue press releases? I can't seem to find it.

2.) What's the benefit of being a supporter? I know what they say on the site, but I'd like to hear it from anyone here who might have already tried it... it's not expensive, so that's not a big deal, but what do you really get? Also... what are federations good for?

you must have 'Supporter' to issue press releases.

I've got it and I wouldn't want to revert back without it. It allows
you simple things such as player numbers, faces, & press releases
but the best thing about it is bookmarks. No more searching
to find a player you were looking/interested in. once you find him
bookmark him and you're only one click away. Got teams you like,
you can support them, no actual benefits other than ego :), or you
can bookmark them for easy access.

Bookmarks rule!!!! If cost is no concern for you and you're serious
about keeping your team, I'd say go get you supporter. Well worth
it and not to mention it helps fund future improvements to the game.

[Franklinnoble]

Ok... thanks... this prompts two more questions:

1.) What qualities do I look for in a good IM? I assume this means "Inner Midfielder." Remember - I'm a total soccer idiot here.

2.) I've bought the "Supporter" option. What are some of your guys team names/ID's?

3.) I assume I should fire Emerson Villareal because I can only train 2 keepers at a time, and he's not worth selling at his present level?

[-Panther]

yea, fire Villareal, he's 'weak' and 3rd string so you've got no use
for him. I don't think you'll get much for him if you try to sell so I'd
fire him.

IM is for inner-midfield lovingly called middies :p

What you want in them are:

Playmaking (main stat)
Stamina (EXTREMELY IMPORTANT)

those two are probably more important for an IM than goaltending
is to a keeper.

If you've got a passable playmaker with wretched stamina, he's
going to stink up the pitch bad.

as for my team, I'm the Tomahawks (71138) but don't get too
attached to my current squad. I'm right on the verge of uncovering
an embezzelment scam involving some beloved team members who's
future doesn't look like a long lasting one :D

needless to say, in a couple weeks, the Tomahawks will probably
be undergoing a major overhaul to weed out the criminals lol

[Nyarlahotep]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Ok... thanks... this prompts two more questions:

1.) What qualities do I look for in a good IM? I assume this means "Inner Midfielder." Remember - I'm a total soccer idiot here.

2.) I've bought the "Supporter" option. What are some of your guys team names/ID's?

3.) I assume I should fire Emerson Villareal because I can only train 2 keepers at a time, and he's not worth selling at his present level?


1. Playmaking is important, but since you are training stamina for 2-3 weeks you can settle a bit in that department. Try to buy a guy soon so he can get training today. I would say passable or solid playmaking and no less than inadequate stamina would be good (weak in pinch) with a few weeks of stamina training and a decent IM (and playing 3-5-2 or 4-5-1) you should see a real turn around in your teams performance.

2. Arkham Avengers

3. You're getting rid of him to avoid paying his salary. You might actually be able to make a small profit off him since he is young. You might want to try putting him up for 2k and see if anyone bites.

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... I'm burning up the transfer wires around the globe to find a decent IM or two... I'll be in debt by the end of the day. ;)

[Nyarlahotep]

Good luck. Let us know what you get.

[Franklinnoble]

Here's what I've just got:

Paid too much, I think... $64,000 .. hit the "bid" button before I realized what it was at... but, he's passable in both key areas...

Camiel Gaffar (5835555)
24 years, wretched form, healthy

A sympathetic guy who is balanced and honest.
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities.

Nationality: Nederland
Assessed value: 53 000 US$
Wage: 1 368 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Drunken Crusaders
Warnings: 0


Stamina: passable Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Career Goals: 8
Career Hattricks: 2
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0


Paid $3000

Roelof Nijholt (7972435)
31 years, weak form, healthy

A nasty fellow who is temperamental and dishonest.
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities.


Speciality: Unpredictable

Nationality: Nederland
Assessed value: 16 000 US$
Wage: 804 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Drunken Crusaders
Warnings: 0


Stamina: solid Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor

Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0


Paid $5000

Raffi Boger (8532988)
27 years, excellent form, healthy

A pleasant guy who is temperamental and upright.
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities.

Nationality: Schweiz
Assessed value: 25 000 US$
Wage: 792 US$/week including 20% Bonus
Owner: Drunken Crusaders
Warnings: (Suspended)


Stamina: passable Goaltending: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor

Career Goals: 0
Career Hattricks: 0
League goals this season: 0
Cup goals this season: 0

[Nyarlahotep]

You didn't really need three, but the third guy is in such great form he should start sunday. You should still train stamina. After a few weeks you can post all your IM's and we can decide you you shoud sell. You'll probably turn a profit. And by the way fire Christopher Shanks.

[Franklinnoble]

Done. Actually, I'll probably end up with 5 of them total... got two more coming in cheap... I'll post them when it's confirmed... I didn't think I'd really win all the bids I put in.

[Franklinnoble]

Ok... after yesterday's spending spree, I think I'm a little stronger in the midfield department. Here's my current roster:

Your 26 players

Aubrey Numbers
267 000 US$, 26 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: passable

Juán Holloway
195 000 US$, 22 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous

Dan Frederick
138 000 US$, 24 years, poor form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

Riley Bostic
81 000 US$, 23 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: weak Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched

Claudio Evangelista
60 000 US$, 29 years, poor form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: inadequate

Floyd Dodd
56 000 US$, 28 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: disastrous Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: poor

James Williams
58 000 US$, 30 years, inadequate form
Has inadequate experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor

Camiel Gaffar
58 000 US$, 24 years, wretched form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Fredrik Martinsson
42 000 US$, 26 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities [Head]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: wretched Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

Alvin Wang
38 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable

Francisco Alcolea
26 000 US$, 23 years, weak form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Raffi Boger
26 000 US$, 27 years, solid form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor

Chip Mims
24 000 US$, 22 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: disastrous
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

Tory Hinson
28 000 US$, 24 years, passable form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid

Michael Read
20 000 US$, 22 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid

Roelof Nijholt
14 000 US$, 31 years, poor form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Unpredictable]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor

Jorge Oliveira Costa
15 000 US$, 27 years, wretched form
Has weak experience and poor leadership abilities [Unpredictable]


Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

Julio Cadenas
22 000 US$, 26 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Ulysses Chong
3 000 US$, 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched

Jay Youngblood
0 US$, 41 years, wretched form
Has brilliant experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched



The following are for sale:

Delmer Littlejohn
6 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities

Stamina: excellent Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: inadequate
Winger: poor Defending: wretched
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable

Emerson Villarreal
31 000 US$, 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous

Jerry Eggleston
9 000 US$, 27 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities

Stamina: inadequate Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Lowell Gallardo
38 000 US$, 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Rickie Minor
59 000 US$, 22 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Tommy Lee Paquette
13 000 US$, 29 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid


I've taken the advice regarding a 3-5-2 formation for my next match, and here's what I came up with (with the assistance of mybestteam):

Keeper: Riley Bostic

Right Back(actually, Extra Inner Midfield): Raffi Boger
Central Defender 1: Lowell Gallardo (will this work if he's for sale?)
Central Defender 2: Francisco Alcolea
Left Back: Dan Frederick

Right Winger: Tory Hinson
Inner Midfield 1: Aubrey Numbers
Inner Midfield 2: Roelof Nijholt
Left Winger: Claudio Evangelista

Forward 1: James Williams
Forward 2: Floyd Dodd

Set Pieces: Tory Hinson
Sub Keeper: Juan Holloway
Team Captain: James Williams
Sub Def: Chip Mims
Sub Inner Mid: Camiel Gaffar
Sub Forward: Michael Read
Sub Winger: Alvin Wang


The bidding on Lowell Gallardo is set to end on 4/27 at 20:49... (and he's already received a bid for the $150k I asked for him - which will keep me out of debt for a while, anyways) - match date is 4/28. so, unless I'm mistaken, I'll need to assign someone else at his spot. Any suggestions? Thoughts on this lineup/roster so far?

Much appreciated!

[dacman]

Yeah, move Gallardo out of the lineup completely.

Assuming your trying to field your best team:

Dan Frederick should be your #1 central defender (solid, poor form is better than passable, weak form)
Start Mims at wingback.
Alcolea should be the backup defender.

Evangelista should probably be set to offensive to take more advantage of his passing skills.
Eventually, Gaffar should start over Boger in midfield, but not right now due to Gaffar's wretched form.

Holloway needs to be your starting keeper.

If you stick with an assymetric (wingback is the "extra" middie) 3-5-2, try to overload one side with the best passers on the wingback side.

Spots I'd be looking to upgrade if this were my team (not necessarily right away, mind you).

1) Winger -- with a 3-5-2, you'll sometimes have trouble generating offense without good wingers.

2) Forward -- you have a lack of depth here so grabbing another passable scorer (preferably one with passable or better passing) might be good.

My pardons if this is information overload. YMVV.

[Nyarlahotep]

Couplre quick points:

Remember to switch in your backups for friendly games. this will help with form.

Buy a cheap replacement for Gallardo. You sold him to take advantage of his youth. You should be able to find a fairly cheap, older player with similar skills for much less.

You will have confusion in Sundays match. You might want to wait your next friendly to start learning a new fromation. Use the 4-4-2 you used the other night and just put your new, better players in where you can.

[Franklinnoble]

Ok... what qualities do I look for in Wingers and Forwards?

I'll look for a replacement for Gallardo now...

[Nyarlahotep]

Hold off on that other stuff for now, just get a solid defender. You need to start getting some victories that count in the eyes of your fans and sponsors before you start spending a bunch.

[Franklinnoble]

Solid defenders seem hard to find... would passable do? How much can I expect to pay?

Thanks...

[NAIWF]

I have one selling for only $5,000 right now....Sandy Williams (10871073).

[Nyarlahotep]

If you don't mind being patient you can get one for under 50k. You have a couple days, just set up your search criteria and check a few of the bigger countries. Bookmark the ones you see in decent form and decide which one to go after. If someone starts a bidding war move on to another one once you max price has been hit. With your search criteria set up, it should only take 10-15 minutes at most to search every market.

[dacman]

With 1 solid and 1 passable defender in your back line, you'll be fine so no need to get another solid defender. Passable will do quite nicely for now.

Don't worry about buying anything else right now, just keep those positions in mind if you should hit the youth pull lottery or something.

Train stamina! Several of your guys could use it and it is by FAR the quickest way to improve a new team. Were you planning on training playmaking? I'll assume yes due to the 3-5-2. If so, I'd train this for the next several weeks:

Stamina
Playmaking
Stamina
Playmaking
Playmaking
Stamina

As always, this is JMHO.

[Nyarlahotep]

I would get the solid defender. You got off to bad start and are currently set to be relegated. If you don't mind dropping a division, then work with what you have. If you want to pull yourself far enough up to avoid that possibility I think you will need to make some key upgrades throughout the season. I do agree that getting your stamina up is the highest priority.

[dacman]

Nyar -- I have to disagree about the solid defender for 4 reasons

1) He already has 1 solid defender (Frederick)

2) I run a 3-5-2 and my back line is passable-solid-passable with a passable keeper. I'm 8-1-1 in my last 10 league games with 8 goals allowed, and the loss was 2-0 in a game where my team's confidence was "over-confident."

3) 1 defender upgrade is probably going to have the least effect of any other postion upgrade on the field.

4) If he really needs the defensive improvement, the money is better spent for a better keeper.

[Franklinnoble]

I'm not going to be able to get a solid defender before my next match - I can only watch the transfer wire while I'm online at work M-F... and I'm rarely online on the weekends. So I'll play a standard 4-4-2 for the upcoming league match (to avoid confusion) with what I have now, and try out the 3-5-2 for the upcoming friendly. Depending on what Gallardo sells for, I may look next week for another defender.

I'd rather not get bumped down a division, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it if I do. Hopefully I'll be able to put together a few wins and at least be able to maintain my current placement for next season.

What about my youth squad pulls? Should I be trying for a better keeper? Or not bother right now?

[Brillig]

Just try to keep out of 7th or 8th place. Considering that the third and fourth place in a Div V gets $37,500 and $19,000 in bonus money, there's a strong case to be made that finishing 5th or 6th is better!

A 5th or 6th place finish would allow you to play a home qualifier match (extra match income of at least $32,000), and get extra training for the week... And the qualifier is almost certain to be against a bot team, which should be a certain win.

[dacman]

Qual match money is split 50/50, so with a generic stadium sellout, you're only looking at $16,000.

If you can draw the fans and have a bigger stadium, I'd agree that having a qual match is better than the bonus money, though.

[Franklinnoble]

My next league match is against the #2 team, and I'm not too certain about it... but the 5&6 teams I think I can take, now that I have my team in better order... so, basically, if I can finish 5th this season, I'll consider it a success, especially given my hideous start.

[Brillig]

Originally posted by dacman
Qual match money is split 50/50

Oops! Didn't know that - good point. I'd still take $16k and training over $19k for fourth though...

[Nyarlahotep]

Yes pull keepers, you have the better chance of getting a decent one (as opposed to an outfielder) with a low level youth squad.

And I still say another solid defender is a good idea. He was told to sell the one that is for sale now because he could make a decent profit even after buying a replacement.

1. These are the ratings he got running a 4-4-2 with two solid defenders:

Drunken Crusaders
Player rating and Team formation
Midfield: wretched
Right Side Defence: inadequate
Central Defence: passable
Left Side Defence: inadequate
Right Side Attack: inadequate
Central Attack: passable
Left Side Attack: passable

Moving to a 3-5-2 and dropping one of the solids is not going to make this better. The keeper has been upgraded so hopefully with two solids at CD he will hold the ratings or slighty improve in a 3-5-2.

2. I run a 3-5-2 with a solid keeper and my back line is outstanding-excellent-excellent. I'm 7-0-0 in league play and 4-0-0 in cup play and I have allowed five goals. All of this is meaningless to what Franklin has to face.

3. A defender upgrade can make a marked differance and it is the only position he hasn't already gone out and spent money on. His attack is decent and he is going to work on his midfield through training.

4. Agreed, but as mentioned above he already bought a new keeper, two in fact.


He is in the 68th toughest div V series. He and one other team are keeping it from being ranked even higher. Check it out, it won't be easy to climb out of 8th place and get to 4th.

http://usa.hatstats.info/standings.php?level=5&rank=0&round=3&season=19&series=8418

I just think it would be a shame for him to risk getting demoted and getting penalized all because he didn't spend 50k out of his profits on a player he put up for sale just to make a quick buck by buying a cheaper replacement and pocketing the diffference. Other changes can be made throughout the rest of the season, but he really needs to get a jump on pulling himself out of 8th place with a 16 goal defeceit.

[dacman]

You can make more money going up with a qual match too. I finished 1st in my division last year and played a qual match. You get $30k bonus if you promote via a qual match and I made $117k from the match itself, so I could've had $147k for promoting versus only $100k bonus for auto-promotion. Of course, that's the promotion bonus, not the league positon one, but the idea is the same.

[Nyarlahotep]

Originally posted by Brillig
Oops! Didn't know that - good point. I'd still take $16k and training over $19k for fourth though...

The problem is that he wouldn't have a sure win in the qualifier. Some div VI teams have been around just as long as his. Hell apparently there is a chance for div VI teams to start out with some nice players. The most valuable div VI player is worth over 550k and is not a keeper (and is on a bot team). The extra game of training would be nice, but I would rather see him lock up staying in season five for another season. If it wasn't for the bad start, I really wouldn't be worried, but 0-3 with a 16 goal defeceit takes a good team to overcome.

[Brillig]

Since something like 99% of the teams in Div VI are bot teams, I'd say he has a pretty good chance of drawing a bot team in the qualifier.

That's as close to a sure win as you can get, I think.

[Franklinnoble]

I think my biggest problem with having such a slow start is that I lost two matches that I probably could have won... that's killing me right now, just thinking about it.

It sounds like you guys know a lot more about the strength of my division than I do... and that it's highly unlikely that I'm gonna finish much better than where I'm at right now... is there much to be said for considering this season a wash and doing something to build for the future, even if it is in a lower league? Or do I have a good shot at staying where I am if I fight tooth and nail(and spend a bunch of money)?

[Nyarlahotep]

If you fight tooth and nail and don't spend a lot of money I think you have a shot at 4-5th place. I really do think you need the solid defender to bolster your defence though. If Gallardo sells for a ton we can look for a cheap solid keeper, which would pretty much be the only other change I would like to see made anytime soon (unless your midfield doesn't come together with some stamina training).

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
If you fight tooth and nail and don't spend a lot of money I think you have a shot at 4-5th place. I really do think you need the solid defender to bolster your defence though. If Gallardo sells for a ton we can look for a cheap solid keeper, which would pretty much be the only other change I would like to see made anytime soon (unless your midfield doesn't come together with some stamina training).

Alright... I'll plan on shopping for a solid defender next week, and cross my fingers for a large bid on Gallardo.

[Franklinnoble]

After buying several "passable" defenders, here's my current roster:



Aubrey Numbers
267 000 US$, 26 years, inadequate form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: solid Passing: solid
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: passable

Juán Holloway
195 000 US$, 22 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: passable
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: wretched
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: disastrous

Dan Frederick
138 000 US$, 24 years, poor form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: solid
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

Riley Bostic
81 000 US$, 23 years, poor form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities


Stamina: weak Keeper: inadequate
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched

Claudio Evangelista
60 000 US$, 29 years, poor form
Has poor experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: passable Defending: inadequate
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: inadequate

Floyd Dodd
56 000 US$, 28 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: disastrous Defending: weak
Scoring: solid Set Pieces: poor

James Williams
58 000 US$, 30 years, inadequate form
Has inadequate experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: weak
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: poor

Camiel Gaffar
58 000 US$, 24 years, wretched form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities


Stamina: passable Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Alvin Wang
38 000 US$, 28 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Powerful]


Stamina: wretched Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: solid
Winger: inadequate Defending: weak
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: passable

Francisco Alcolea
26 000 US$, 23 years, weak form
Has poor experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Raffi Boger
26 000 US$, 27 years, solid form
Has poor experience and poor leadership abilities


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: poor Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: poor

Tory Hinson
28 000 US$, 24 years, passable form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: poor Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: inadequate Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid

Michael Read
20 000 US$, 22 years, inadequate form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: weak Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: solid

Roelof Nijholt
14 000 US$, 31 years, poor form
Has weak experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Unpredictable]


Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: passable Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: poor

Jay Youngblood
0 US$, 41 years, wretched form
Has brilliant experience and inadequate leadership abilities


Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: disastrous Set Pieces: wretched

Zdenìk Závodský
32 000 US$, 26 years, weak form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities


Stamina: inadequate Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: inadequate

Alberto Rocha
30 000 US$, 29 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities [Technical]


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: poor Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: weak

Sigurd Grande
68 000 US$, 30 years, inadequate form
Has weak experience and wretched leadership abilities [Quick]


Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: wretched Passing: weak
Winger: weak Defending: passable
Scoring: passable Set Pieces: inadequate

Víctor Javier Requejo Pages
3 000 US$, 36 years, solid form
Has excellent experience and weak leadership abilities


Stamina: excellent Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: disastrous
Winger: wretched Defending: passable
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched


The following are listed for sale:


Chip Mims
24 000 US$, 22 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and wretched leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: weak Passing: disastrous
Winger: inadequate Defending: inadequate
Scoring: poor Set Pieces: disastrous

Emerson Villarreal
31 000 US$, 18 years, passable form
Has disastrous experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: poor Keeper: weak
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: disastrous
Winger: disastrous Defending: disastrous
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: disastrous

Fredrik Martinsson
42 000 US$, 26 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and wretched leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: weak
Winger: wretched Defending: inadequate
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

Jorge Oliveira Costa
15 000 US$, 27 years, wretched form
Has weak experience and poor leadership abilities [Unpredictable]

Stamina: solid Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: inadequate Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: poor
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: wretched

Julio Cadenas
22 000 US$, 26 years, weak form
Has wretched experience and passable leadership abilities

Stamina: wretched Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: passable
Winger: wretched Defending: poor
Scoring: inadequate Set Pieces: disastrous

Lowell Gallardo
38 000 US$, 18 years, inadequate form
Has disastrous experience and passable leadership abilities [Quick]

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: disastrous Passing: poor
Winger: weak Defending: solid
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Rickie Minor
59 000 US$, 22 years, poor form
Has wretched experience and weak leadership abilities [Head]

Stamina: solid Keeper: wretched
Playmaking: poor Passing: passable
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Tommy Lee Paquette
13 000 US$, 29 years, weak form
Has poor experience and inadequate leadership abilities

Stamina: weak Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: poor Passing: inadequate
Winger: weak Defending: weak
Scoring: weak Set Pieces: solid

Ulysses Chong
3 000 US$, 19 years, weak form
Has disastrous experience and weak leadership abilities [Powerful]

Stamina: passable Keeper: disastrous
Playmaking: weak Passing: wretched
Winger: wretched Defending: wretched
Scoring: wretched Set Pieces: wretched


Here's my 4-4-2 lineup for this week's league match:

Keeper: Juan Holloway

Wing Back Right: Zdenik Zavodsky
Defender Right: Dan Frederick
Defender Left: Victor Javier Requejo Pages
Wing Back Left: Sigurd Grande

Winger Right: Tory Hinson
Midfield Right: Aubrey Numbers
Midfield Left: Raffi Boger
Winger Left: Alvin Wang

Forward Right: Floyd Dodd
Forward Left: James Williams

Set Pieces: Tory Hinson
Sub. Keeper: Riley Bostic
Team Capt.: James Williams
Sub. Def.: Francisco Alcolea
Sub. Mid.: Roelof Nijholt
Sub. Fwd.: Michael Read
Sub. Wing.: Claudio Evangelista

Look OK?

[Nyarlahotep]

You're buying quantity over quality, and that isn't good. Those passable defneders aren't going to do much for your starting team.

Sunday's formation looks good. I would expect a big improvement in peformance regardless of the score. If Mims doesn't sell stick him in Závodský's spot. You can even re-list him and still play him.

[dacman]

Hmm....my honest advice. STOP BUYING! You seem to be doing what everyone else tells you to. Until you figure it out for yourself, you'll feel like you're chasing your own tail, and if you're like me, you'll get very frustrated by it.

Step back, breathe, leave it alone for a few days. Come back, read the rules again, re-read the strategy, hints, tips on other websites. Most of all, be patient, nothing happens very quickly in HT. Give yourself time to absorb all the info necessary and soon you'll be the one giving advice. Good luck.

[damnMikeBrown]

You may want to note what constitutes the defensive ratings. Ranked in order of importance to each rating:

Defence Center:

Goaltending goalkeeper
Defending central defenders
Defending left and right wing back
Defending inner midfielders
Defending left and right wings


Defence Left/Right Wing:

Goaltending goalkeeper
Defending left/right wingback
Defending left/right central defender
Defending left winger
Defending left inner midfielder

As you can see, the key element, the single most important part of each defensive position, is the goalkeeper. Buying a new defender is helpfull, but not nearly as much so as would be buying a competent net minder. That is, if you persist in the quest for defense. I'd follow Dac's advice though. Stop, take a step back, learn & evaluate for a bit.

Things happen slowly in this game. You have the urge to fix, and think one thing will do it, but it probably won't. In truth, time is the best thing, gaining a larger fan base, filling up a stadium, developing talent. That's the key, and that all takes time.

[Franklinnoble]

Sound advice... thanks. I'm going to hold off doing any further shopping for a bit... still toying with the idea of getting another solid defender, but right now, I'd probably prefer to stay out of debt for the time being and see how my next few matches turn out.

That said, I DID need to fix a lot of things, and I think I've done that this week, thanks to all the help I've received here.

[-Panther]

Originally posted by dacman
Hmm....my honest advice. STOP BUYING! You seem to be doing what everyone else tells you to. Until you figure it out for yourself, you'll feel like you're chasing your own tail, and if you're like me, you'll get very frustrated by it.

Step back, breathe, leave it alone for a few days. Come back, read the rules again, re-read the strategy, hints, tips on other websites. Most of all, be patient, nothing happens very quickly in HT. Give yourself time to absorb all the info necessary and soon you'll be the one giving advice. Good luck.

I'd have to agree with this. Although I'm not an experienced,
all-knowing veteran, I think I'm doing 'ok'. When I started I was
about as dumb to all this, as the bungles are to football. I seen
a lot of new players posting their team, asking for advice, etc...

I was inspired to join by the sheer support given to new players
within this forum. Under the impression that what I'm not sure
about, I can almost certainly get the needed info here. The one
thing I did different, is that I never posted my team.

To me, once new players post their team, they get extremely
useful and abundant help and tips on how to improve it. That's
great, but, alot of times it seems to appear that the team
is 'no longer their team' for the moment. Different people have
different strategies/opinions and each thinks it should be done
'their' way. I don't want someone to run my team and tell me how
and what I should do, I just wanted any/all advice in helping me
to understand it all better so that I could run my team.

I'm extremely grateful for all the help/advice I was/will be given
and in return, if I have any thing that could help a fellow up and
comer, I'll gladly share.

The thing I think is most important in HT, is taking all the advice
you're given, use it to help you better understand how the system
works, and then build your team in your image.

As for the solid or passable defender, that's really a matter of
personal preference. I've currently got 4 solids (2 forwards, 2 wingers)

with 3 passable defenders (3-5-2). This is how I'd prefer my
team since I like offense. My defense does 'good' but not phenominal and that's actually better for me, it helps ensure that
if for some reason I'm in the top spot, I've got a better chance of
having to blow a qualifier then get auto-promoted and get my a$$
handed to me next year. Although I predict dacman winning the
series this year :p

So now that I've babbled long enough, all I can say is, take a step
back, take a deep breath, and study study study :D once you get
the basics figured out and down pat, you'll be able to determine
what you want to do, where you want to go, and how to get there.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by -Panther

I was inspired to join by the sheer support given to new players
within this forum. Under the impression that what I'm not sure
about, I can almost certainly get the needed info here.

That's exactly why I decided to give it a shot. I know NOTHING about soccer, but I wanted to see what all the folks here saw in the game, and I knew I'd be able to get help if I needed it.:D

[Franklinnoble]

Another league loss... and next weeks game doesn't figure to be any easier. Tough decisions ahead, as the debt mounts, and the season's outlook is pretty bleak at this point.

I've decided to take this over to the Dynasty forum for further reporting - I think I've pestered you all enough for now. :D
Thanks a million for all your help!

Read the Legend of the Drunken Crusaders here:
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/%7Efof/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8406

[Franklinnoble]

I'll post a more literal reporting in the dynasty thread... but I'm enjoying my friendly for a second week in a row... immensely... Up 6-0 already... playing my weak goalie, too... I think I like this 3-5-2 formation. :)

I wish my league games went this well...

[Nyarlahotep]

They will soon enough.

[Franklinnoble]

I hope you're right... in the mean time, I'm basking in the glory of my entirely meaningless 7-0 victory. :D

[Nyarlahotep]

I watched, it was a nice route.

[Franklinnoble]

This weekend will be the real test... I played the new guy at keeper for this one, will put my regular dude in there for the league match...

[Nyarlahotep]

Is your experience with 3-5-2 passable now?

[Franklinnoble]

Just an update... in case anyone's wondering... with the 3-5-2 installed, I won my first league match! Woo hoo!

[Nyarlahotep]

Quite the upset too.

[Franklinnoble]

Yeah... I can't figure out how I pulled it off. Either my coach is a stud or I just got really lucky... or maybe the other team saw how bad I was and decided to "PIC"... I dunno.

[albionmoonlight]

Two noob questions

1.) What's the name of that web site where you can cut and paste your team and they will tell you who to play where?

2.) I am training goalies. I have one who is 19 and solid and one who is 17 and passable. I am playing the 19 year old in league games and the 17 year old in friendlies. I have training set to 95% and 8 (or seven, I forget now) goalkeeper coaches. If I keep this up, will they eventually improve, or are other factors at work that I do not understand?

[Nyarlahotep]

1. http://www.mycgiserver.com/servlet/groton.stayaway.MyBestTeam

2. Yes they will improve.

[NAIWF]

http://www.mybestteam.tk/


Yes, the 17 year old will progress faster though because he's younger.

[Franklinnoble]

Ressurecting my original thread with another stupid question... I'm presently training defense, but I'm thinking of focusing more on making my midfield stronger (I'm running the 3-5-2). What should I train for that? Is it better to focus on inner mids or wingers?

[sony]

inner mids receive 100% training for playmaking and wingers receive 50% training for playmaking.

[sony]

What should I train for that?

:: Playmaking

[Nyarlahotep]

Are you planning on buying trainees? Honestly you are pretty much wasting your time with the defenders you are training now. Unless you are going to buy trainees, you should train keepers. They are the only position you have that is remotely not elderly.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Are you planning on buying trainees? Honestly you are pretty much wasting your time with the defenders you are training now. Unless you are going to buy trainees, you should train keepers. They are the only position you have that is remotely not elderly.

Yeah, but I don't really WANT to train goalies. Are you telling me there's absolutely no benefit at all to training the defenders I have?

I'd really like to get my youth squad to bless me with one Solid keeper, and then just train Midfield, I think... I dunno...

[Qwikshot]

I wouldn't buy anyone till next season now anyway...unless you grab a 17 ot 18 year old...the season is done in 4 weeks, and all your players will age 1 year.

[Nyarlahotep]

List the ages of your defenders and midfielders. I'm too lazy to check right now but I seem to recall your youngest defender being in his upper mid twenties and the oldest being something like 36. For players this old training is a waste. Do the math, if it takes one wek extra for every year over 17, how long will it take your players to train without even taking into account the base training time? It would take your 36 year old almost two seasons to gain one level, and by that time you'll be lucky if he has only gone down one level.

[Nyarlahotep]

Dola:

The point of training is not to give your team a slight boost in weak area. You train a FULL set of YOUNG players so you can boost your ratings and sell the extras to BUY better players in other positions. Doing what you are doing is actually hurting your club because when you are done training you won't have any players to sell for good money, you aren't likely to have made enough money off of sponsors and home games to buy replacements of the same quality, and relying on your youth squad to support your team is ify at best. You're putting up good ratings now and will probably compete for promotion next season, but you will be screwed without a decent training program.

[Franklinnoble]

Defenders, including wingbacks (do they profit from defensive training?) are aged: 24, 36, 26

Mids: 28, 31, 27, 26, 29

Shit... my guys ARE old.

[GoldenEagle]

Wait till next year, then buy trainees, 17 year olds.

[Franklinnoble]

Alright... so, I need to focus on a cohesive training plan... the problem is, I'd like to train midfielders and maybe wingers, and get most of the talent pool out of the youth squad, but there's little telling what I'll pull from the outfield on any given week.

And I can't play the transfer market very well because of my limited ability to bid... not to mention my lack of cash.

Crap.

[Nyarlahotep]

Honestly they are younger than I remembered. Yes wingbacks get defending training. I'm pretty sure defending has a base of eight weeks, so since you have a solid coach (no penalty) it will take you CD 27 weeks to go up a full level. The youngest defender will take 15 weeks. And these numbers are for this season. You can add a week for next season.

[GoldenEagle]

Dont count on your youth squad to produce talent. If it does, you get lucky. But it should not be your reliance for talent.

I like your plan to pull keepers until you get a solid. Your bound to get the solid, and turn a profit along the way.

[Nyarlahotep]

Originally posted by Franklinnoble
Alright... so, I need to focus on a cohesive training plan... the problem is, I'd like to train midfielders and maybe wingers, and get most of the talent pool out of the youth squad, but there's little telling what I'll pull from the outfield on any given week.

And I can't play the transfer market very well because of my limited ability to bid... not to mention my lack of cash.

Crap.

Please post your economic update.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by GoldenEagle
Dont count on your youth squad to produce talent. If it does, you get lucky. But it should not be your reliance for talent.

I like your plan to pull keepers until you get a solid. Your bound to get the solid, and turn a profit along the way.

Ok... but while I'm at it, I should probably fire all but 2 assistant coaches, hire 6 keeper coaches, and train keepers until then?

[GoldenEagle]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Honestly they are younger than I remembered. Yes wingbacks get defending training. I'm pretty sure defending has a base of eight weeks, so since you have a solid coach (no penalty) it will take you CD 27 weeks to go up a full level. The youngest defender will take 15 weeks. And these numbers are for this season. You can add a week for next season.

Defending does has a base of eight weeks. Since it trains slower than other, you need at least five defensive trainees.

That said, a combination of passable defending/passing is going for $100K+

It is a good time to be a defender trainer.

[Franklinnoble]

Economy

Cash funds: -294 096 US$ (-261 382) US$
Sponsors: delirious
Supporter Club: 709 members
Supporters: high on life

Will also have about 100k coming in this week for the sale of a keeper that should go thru in a few minutes...

[NAIWF]

If you don't mind my asking how did you get so far in debt if you haven't bought any young players?

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by NAIWF
If you don't mind my asking how did you get so far in debt if you haven't bought any young players?

I bought a few inner midfielders to bolster a floundering squad... but the biggest hit was upgrading the arena. I also bought a defender or two, and some keepers - although the keepers have since been re-sold as my youth squad is now providing better talent.

[Franklinnoble]

Update - the keeper sold. My economy now looks like this:

Economy

Cash funds: -294 096 US$ (-163 770) US$
Sponsors: delirious
Supporter Club: 709 members
Supporters: high on life

[Nyarlahotep]

Cool. I would go ahead and switch to keeper training since you have two decent keepers already. 37k won't be enough to buy a full set of decent trainees. I think with three home games (counting the qualifier) left you will make enough to buy a full set of decent trainees at the start of next season when combined with the sale of your keeper trainee.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Cool. I would go ahead and switch to keeper training since you have two decent keepers already. 37k won't be enough to buy a full set of decent trainees. I think with three home games (counting the qualifier) left you will make enough to buy a full set of decent trainees at the start of next season when combined with the sale of your keeper trainee.

Sounds like a pretty good plan to me. Hopefully I'll get lucky with my next few youth pulls. :D

[Nyarlahotep]

I'd like to finally get a really good youth pull as well. But I guess the time to really get the good ones are

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
I'd like to finally get a really good youth pull as well. But I guess the time to really get the good ones are

Are what? :D

[Nyarlahotep]

Doh!! are early next season.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Doh!! are early next season.

Why's that? You'd think the youth squad would be better at the end of a season of play.. I dunno.

[Nyarlahotep]

Your pulls are random all the time. What is better at the start of the season is that :

1. People are looking for new trainees.
2. People have their award money.

This makes the prices for good young players skyrocket.

[Franklinnoble]

Originally posted by Nyarlahotep
Your pulls are random all the time. What is better at the start of the season is that :

1. People are looking for new trainees.
2. People have their award money.

This makes the prices for good young players skyrocket.

That makes sense. Maybe the smart thing to do is stockpile good youth pulls until then?

[GoldenEagle]

I have never thought of that Frank, interesting.

[Nyarlahotep]

Any players you pull now would be at least 18 then. You might want to try listing them kind of high now and if they don't sell trry again next season.

[Franklinnoble]

Well, I've decided to just pull and train keepers for the remainder of the season, and figure out if I want to switch to training mids next season later on... guess I'll see how my youth pulls turn out.