NCAA Investigation: Miami is now on the clock

[GrantDawg]

This looks ugly, ugly, ugly.

Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611)

[miami_fan]

This looks ugly, ugly, ugly.

Renegade Miami football booster spells out illicit benefits to players - Investigations - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/investigations/news?slug=cr-renegade_miami_booster_details_illicit_benefits_081611)

I am going to be pissed if they take away the national titles and all the wins the team had recently.


What?

[molson]

So that's what a booster looks like, huh? Not what I expected.

I'm sure the bloggers will inform me when we have a "done deal" regarding sanctions/investigations.

Edit: Also, Yahoo's really into these investigations. I know they've broken stories and are a billion times more legit than most - but an 11-month investigation? Why can't the NCAA ever figure any of this out themselves?

[dawgfan]

Shapiro is a real shit-bag of a human being. I'm not trying to deny culpability by those in Miami's athletic department - if they were in the know and involved in Shapiro breaking rules, they deserve whatever (severe) punishments they get.

That said, why the fuck is Shapiro doing this to his "favorite" program? It's not Miami's fault he got busted for his Ponzi scheme.

Between swindling hundreds of millions and continuously acting like a giant douchebag, this fucker can't be jailed long enough IMO.

[miked]

This makes me very happy.

[Eaglesfan27]

Miami needs to get the death penalty.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Miami needs to get the death penalty.

Or maybe they'll be the centerpiece of the rebirth of the old Southwest Conference :D

I'll keep an eye on the blogosphere for that news to break.

[GrantDawg]

Shapiro is a real shit-bag of a human being. I'm not trying to deny culpability by those in Miami's athletic department - if they were in the know and involved in Shapiro breaking rules, they deserve whatever (severe) punishments they get.

That said, why the fuck is Shapiro doing this to his "favorite" program? It's not Miami's fault he got busted for his Ponzi scheme.

Between swindling hundreds of millions and continuously acting like a giant douchebag, this fucker can't be jailed long enough IMO.


Because he got arrested, and all his "friends" deserted him. People you help break the rules aren't exactly guys you should count on.

[sterlingice]

Edit: Also, Yahoo's really into these investigations. I know they've broken stories and are a billion times more legit than most - but an 11-month investigation? Why can't the NCAA ever figure any of this out themselves?

I gotta give Yahoo credit. They break an awful lot of these stories that certain other sports "news" organizations seem to always miss.

Now if only we could get them started on business or politics- then we'd have a real winner...

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Or maybe they'll be the centerpiece of the rebirth of the old Southwest Conference :D

I'll keep an eye on the blogosphere for that news to break.

Or they make a perfect expansion match for the SEC. Bama's going to be pissed if they get knocked off the 'top cheater' perch.

[RainMaker]

I gotta give Yahoo credit. They break an awful lot of these stories that certain other sports "news" organizations seem to always miss.
ESPN would have suspended the writer for something like this.

[bionicgrov]

ESPN would have suspended the writer for something like this.

Yep.

[Toddzilla]

In before the lock

[sterlingice]

ESPN would have suspended the writer for something like this.

Yes, suspended. ;)

"Say, anyone know what ever happened to John Smithington. He broke that story about USC on ESPN and no one has seen him since. His phone is disconnected, house abandoned, and the police found his car on route 9, burned out and abandoned last year" :D

SI

[lcjjdnh]

I gotta give Yahoo credit. They break an awful lot of these stories that certain other sports "news" organizations seem to always miss.

Now if only we could get them started on business or politics- then we'd have a real winner...

SI

Yes, if only other news organizations would devote resources to helping the NCAA enforce rules that hurt teenage athletes...

[Ksyrup]

ESPN would have suspended the writer for something like this.

Feldman wrote a book about Miami, too, but he's already been silenced.

[Ksyrup]

My favorite part of this is no one at Miami thought it was wrong for a booster to be the agent for 2 1st round picks.

Oh, and Paul Dee oversaw not only the first scandal, but the second, and then went on to work for the NCAA to judge USC for its scandal. Wow.

[Ksyrup]

Miami vs. Ohio State, September 17th

My favorite name so far is the Ineligibowl.

[RainMaker]

Yahoo! has become really good with their reporting. They make a mockery of ESPN's NBA reporting too.

[bronconick]

In the extreme short-term, this could help Miami since Jacory Harris is on the list.

Missouri basketball fans are probably thrilled since this probably kicks Haith right back out of town as well.

[the_meanstrosity]

In the extreme short-term, this could help Miami since Jacory Harris is on the list.

Missouri basketball fans are probably thrilled since this probably kicks Haith right back out of town as well.

Those are my sentiments exactly. If anything, Missouri lucked out with this and have a reason to fire Haith before he drags the program down.

[tarcone]

Wait, Miami cheated?

[Ksyrup]

The stripper abortion story is horrendous.

[Logan]

The stripper abortion story is horrendous.

The only part of the story I didn't buy.

[CU Tiger]

This is pretty heavy shat...even for someone like me who is rarely even mildly surprised by some of these allegations.

[Ksyrup]

You've obviously never been to a Miami strip club.

[GrantDawg]

This is pretty heavy shat...even for someone like me who is rarely even mildly surprised by some of these allegations.


That's what I can't get over. This isn't small time stuff, and with heavy documentation. Yikes.

[Ksyrup]

You know, this reminds me. Back when the Ohio State thing broke (I think - all of these scandals are starting to run together), somebody claimed that there were two more scandal exposes in the works, one of which would come out "soon" (perhaps that was the Oregon/Lyles thing?) and one that would come out in several months, which would have put us around August.

I don't remember who that was (a Yahoo person?), but I guess that guy knew what he was talking about, huh?

[Ksyrup]

From Stewart Mandel's article, a list of current players/coaches potentially affected by this:


Among those named in Yahoo!'s report (which includes individual pages detailing the specific violations alleged against each player, many with audio of Shapiro's interviews with the feds) are current 'Canes quarterback Jacory Harris, receiver Travis Benjamin, safety Ray Ray Armstrong, linebacker Sean Spence and defensive tackle Marcus Forston -- some of the most important players on the team. Normal protocol says Miami declares them ineligible until their statuses are resolved and any found benefits can be repaid -- and that could take awhile. One former 'Cane accused of accepting benefits, quarterback Robert Marve, is now at Purdue. His status may now be in limbo as well. Ditto, Kansas State linebacker Arthur Brown.

And then there are the coaches. Yahoo! raises some pretty serious charges against former basketball coach Frank Haith, now at Missouri, If they're true they could cost him his job. Two former football assistants, Jeff Stoutland and Joe Pannunzio -- accused of taking recruits to Shapiro's home -- are now on Nick Saban's Alabama staff. The NCAA will have questions for them. Ditto, Clint Hurtt (Louisville) and Aubrey Hill (Florida). Unlike all those former 'Canes players now in the NFL, the active coaches are obligated to cooperate with investigators.

Meanwhile, two particular coaches go conspicuously unmentioned throughout Yahoo!'s report: Former head coaches Larry Coker and Randy Shannon. Apparently, they were unaware. Coker was oblivious enough in general to believe it, and it wouldn't surprise me if Shannon helped drive Shapiro away. By 2007 (Shannon's first season), Miami's compliance director, David Reed, was apparently so aggressive about policing player-booster contact it nearly drove a drunken Shapiro to punch him out in the press box.

And if Shannon was unaware of his players' off-campus activities, what chance did Dee have? Is a 60-something-year-old man supposed to hit the clubs on Friday night to check out who his players are hanging out with? Of course not. That's ridiculous.

Except that's exactly what he suggested USC should have been doing.

Have to say, there's still more to come I assume, but Randy Shannon seems like a stand-up guy. That was the line when he got fired, too, but if he escapes implication in this, that's all the more impressive. Coker, OTOH, always had the look of a clueless guy.

[TurnerONU22]

You know, this reminds me. Back when the Ohio State thing broke (I think - all of these scandals are starting to run together), somebody claimed that there were two more scandal exposes in the works, one of which would come out "soon" (perhaps that was the Oregon/Lyles thing?) and one that would come out in several months, which would have put us around August.

I don't remember who that was (a Yahoo person?), but I guess that guy knew what he was talking about, huh?

I know that Dan Wetzel (or Charles Robinson, either one) mentioned this when he went on the radio in Columbus right after the OSU story broke, and that quote was the first thing I thought of when I saw the Miami story.

[PilotMan]

The motto of this story is "you lie with the snake, you expect to get bit."

[TurnerONU22]

My bad, it was Charles Robinson and he stated the same thing when he went on the radio in Chicago

Charles Robinson, one of the investigative reporters for Yahoo! Sports, was just interviewed on the Waddle and Silvie show on ESPN Radio 1000 in Chicago. He stated that there are two additional high-profile stories he is working on, on which will break within the next few weeks and another that looks like it will break in August. Mr. Robinson was prodded fairly hard by Tom Waddle, but would not divulge any individual or institutional names. He was asked to rate the Tressel story on a scale of 1-10 scale, and gave it an 8. Mr. Robinson rated the story to be broken this month as a 6-7, and gave the late-summer story a 10-rating, without hesitation.

[PilotMan]

after reading the whole article, wow, that is some incredible detail. And again, something that I am sure it is happening on some level in nearly every campus all over the US.

[digamma]

At the going rate of $78 in benefits per year of probation (Ga Tech $312 benefits = 4 years probation), Miami stands to be on probation for just under 13,000 years.

(I know, Ksyrup. I know.)

[cuervo72]

Yahoo! has become really good with their reporting. They make a mockery of ESPN's NBA reporting too.

And they have a radio network now.

[Young Drachma]

Jim Larranaga has to be wondering what he got himself into. Oops.

[Ksyrup]

At the going rate of $78 in benefits per year of probation (Ga Tech $312 benefits = 4 years probation), Miami stands to be on probation for just under 13,000 years.

(I know, Ksyrup. I know.)

I am totally fine with this analysis.

[MacroGuru]

after reading the whole article, wow, that is some incredible detail. And again, something that I am sure it is happening on some level in nearly every campus all over the US.

Watching the ESPN Blueprint special series they have...Urban was on there talking about how he asked some of his top players on Florida about this stuff and they all said it is rampant throughout, and he asked for examples and was given some examples.

He, Stoops and one of the other coaches on there were advocating stricter regulation on this and tighter rules.

[larrymcg421]

Wow the Canes are really stupid. Don't they know you're supposed to funnel all the money to the parents so the athletes can play dumb?

[Ksyrup]

Wait - Meyer was asking current players after he retired about receiving impermissible benefits, and they openly talked about it?

Yo NCAA, take the turnpike north to 75N and get off at exit 384, then turn right.

[Ksyrup]

Wow the Canes are really stupid. Don't they know you're supposed to funnel all the money to the parents so the athletes can play dumb?

They can pay for their own strippers.

[Ksyrup]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/ACC/Da_End.gif

[Desnudo]

I think this stuff is like blood doping in cycling. Does anyone truely believe any major program is clean? It's all degrees of corruption.

[Crapshoot]

Meh - Its hard to be outraged. the NCAA is a protection racket that gets pissed of when the people generating its revenue *gasp* benefit from it.

[molson]

If the schools and the NCAA actually policed all of the rules it would actually be pretty creepy. The only other group of adults I can think of whose lives are regulated to this degree (how much money they can make, how they can make it, who they can associate with, where they can live, what gifts they can and can't get, what kind of car they drive etc), are people on criminal probation and parole. And even that level of supervision can only go so far. Maybe every NCAA athlete should be handcuffed to a rules guy on the day he signs his letter of intent, only to be un-handcuffed during games and practices?

[cuervo72]

The only other group of adults I can think of whose lives are regulated to this degree (how much money they can make, how they can make it, who they can associate with, where they can live, what gifts they can and can't get, what kind of car they drive etc), are people on criminal probation and parole.

You forgot a large chunk of married men.

[MrBug708]

My favorite part of this is no one at Miami thought it was wrong for a booster to be the agent for 2 1st round picks.

Oh, and Paul Dee oversaw not only the first scandal, but the second, and then went on to work for the NCAA to judge USC for its scandal. Wow.

"We didn't have any suspicion that he was doing anything like this," said Dee, UM's athletic director from 1993 to 2008. "He didn't do anything to cause concern."

Well, USC got punished for should have done more work into investigating their program. Lets see what Dee does here

[Ksyrup]

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/ACC/NCAA_Da-cision.jpg

[bhlloy]

I'm not a proponent of the "OMG USC should sue the NCAA!!!" crowd, but if Miami doesn't end up with at least comparable sanctions then I don't see any other way around it.

It's going to be delicious to see Dee try to squirm out of this one. Sorry to all the true UM fans, but I can't say I'm sorry that it's happening to him.

[Ksyrup]

Comparable? If they have reasonably solid evidence on even a quarter of this, they are going to have to come up with a new level of punishment short of the death penalty - assuming they don't have the nads to levy the DP.

[bhlloy]

With the way the NCAA handles these things and Paul Dee in the position he is, I'll settle for comparable.

[GrantDawg]

Comparable? If they have reasonably solid evidence on even a quarter of this, they are going to have to come up with a new level of punishment short of the death penalty - assuming they don't have the nads to levy the DP.


This. This makes USC stuff look like small potatoes. I think the death penalty is indeed possible if they are serious about strengthening penalties. If this isn't a dp case, there is no such thing.

[GrantDawg]

With the way the NCAA handles these things and Paul Dee in the position he is, I'll settle for comparable.


If it is "comparable" then USC should sue. And they will win, big time.

[dawgfan]

With the way the NCAA handles these things and Paul Dee in the position he is, I'll settle for comparable.
I'm hoping the national media keeps the heat on Paul Dee, enough so that the NCAA has to address the issue. If I'm Mark Emmert and I want to display some semblance of accountability and integrity, I remove Paul Dee from his role because he's been exposed as a tremendous hypocrite.

[lcjjdnh]

Meh - Its hard to be outraged. the NCAA is a protection racket that gets pissed of when the people generating its revenue *gasp* benefit from it.

Exactly. God forbid someone other than the coaches, athletic directors, and media members exploiting teenagers through a labor cartel actually try to profit.

[Ksyrup]

While we're on the subject...

The University of Central Florida is expected to receive an official notice of inquiry from the NCAA regarding potential recruiting violations in the school's football and men's basketball program, sources have told ESPN.com.

[bhlloy]

While we're on the subject...

The University of Central Florida is expected to receive an official notice of inquiry from the NCAA regarding potential recruiting violations in the school's football and men's basketball program, sources have told ESPN.com.

At what point do you have so many programs under investigation or admitting to violations that you realize the current system just isn't sustainable I wonder (at the risk of taking this off topic and back to the same discussion we've had a million times over the last couple of years)

[molson]

If it is "comparable" then USC should sue. And they will win, big time.

I wonder if there's a basis to sue in that kind of circumstance, especially when its a voluntary and private organization. I'm not sure if there is or not, but it's generally tough to sue someone on the basis of something being unfair, unless there's some kind of binding contractual language. But if USC's punishment is legal when they got it I don't see how it becomes illegal if some other school gets less later on.

Edit: I mean, even if it's the government, if you get a harsh but legal criminal penalty, you don't get to sue if someone else later guys a lighter penalty for something you think it worse.

[Philliesfan980]

Division I athletics are really becoming disgusting for me. I'm half tempted to just start following FCS and D2 programs.

I guess the question is, when is the NCAA really going to get TOUGH (and don't give me this we're taking away 15 scholarships stuff) on this crap. 10 years, no national TV, no bowl games, no nothing. Until we start seeing that, the risk/reward just isn't there for these programs.

[PilotMan]

Comparable? If they have reasonably solid evidence on even a quarter of this, they are going to have to come up with a new level of punishment short of the death penalty - assuming they don't have the nads to levy the DP.

This.

[Ksyrup]

Ha! Just pulled up an article that popped up on Pulse on my iPod, with the headline "No suspensions at Miami yet" - and a picture of Urban Meyer on the sideline with his arms crossed looking pissed. Awesome.

[larrymcg421]

If Miami gets a serious punishment but Dee keeps his job, then the NCAA is more corrupt than any football program.

[lcjjdnh]

Division I athletics are really becoming disgusting for me. I'm half tempted to just start following FCS and D2 programs.

I guess the question is, when is the NCAA really going to get TOUGH (and don't give me this we're taking away 15 scholarships stuff) on this crap. 10 years, no national TV, no bowl games, no nothing. Until we start seeing that, the risk/reward just isn't there for these programs.

The NCAA must reform the entire system. Players must get paid more than the currently artificial cap of tuition/room+board. It's unreasonable to think that a black market won't emerge if the NCAA and its member institutions continue to try tokeep labor costs down by enforcing a cartel.

[Crapshoot]

Division I athletics are really becoming disgusting for me. I'm half tempted to just start following FCS and D2 programs.

I guess the question is, when is the NCAA really going to get TOUGH (and don't give me this we're taking away 15 scholarships stuff) on this crap. 10 years, no national TV, no bowl games, no nothing. Until we start seeing that, the risk/reward just isn't there for these programs.

Edit: as Logan pointed out, I can't read. :D

[Chief Rum]

If Miami gets a serious punishment but Dee keeps his job, then the NCAA is more corrupt than any football program.

Paul Dee doesn't work for the NCAA (although I agree with your general point that there is no way he should keep his job).

[Ksyrup]

NEVIN SHAPIRO: CONFESSIONS

- "Marve was really jealous of all the attention Tebow got for performing that circumcision, so I took him down to the Seaquarium and let him graft a bundle of Christmas lights and a car battery onto a sailfish."

- "One Easter I paid the Bishop of Miami $150k to let Vilma run through every church holding a pig heart, screaming 'KALI MA!'"

- "I had nothing to do with Andre Johnson's 3 week reign as Shogun of Hialeah."

- "Shockey was pretty tame, actually. I think I bought him a watch and a nice pair of jeans. Oh, and like 78 abortions."

- "The things I saw Lance Leggett (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/5134/lance-leggett) do to Sebastian with the business end of a flare gun would make DMX blush."

- "All Beason wanted was grout, expired cough drops, and sand dollars. I didn't ask questions. Didn't eat with him, either."

- "Frank Gore took $40k from me and had all the liner notes from Cooleyhighharmony tattooed on his soft palate."

- "To be fair, I thought Brock had a medical need for a new liver. I didn't know he just thought his old one was 'super gay.'"

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v777cf8a.jpg

- "In retrospect, I shouldn't have let Kellen Winslow fill a t-shirt cannon with bocce balls and left him alone in Lowe's."

- "As a gag on Donna Shalala, we implanted one of her ovum in Bubba Sparxxx. And that's how Ke$ha was born."

- "I had an alternate version of Myst made for D.J. Williams. All the puzzles were solved by throwing a cop into a bar mirror."

- "The 2003 jerseys had two strands of human hair woven in - one from Sophia Loren, one from Francis Crick."

- "Have you ever seen a baby deer released from a lunar landing module into the cold vacuum of space? Jon Peattie has."

- "Funny story - at the '04 Peach Bowl I sent Charlie Strong a sculpture of Sade made of coke. Thought he was a recruit."

- "I paid for Greg Olsen to be at Ossie Davis's bedside when he passed. Greg kept laughing and saying 'Evening Shade sucks.'"

- "Sinorice Moss lived in William Joseph's duodenum one summer. I know because I paid his electric and cable bills."

- "For Brandon Meriweather's birthday, we hung a helicopter from a crane and filled it with orphans. Best pinata ever."

- "At one point, Vernon Carey had me smuggling in 50 gallons of leaded gasoline to him a week. Goddamn that guy could drink."

- "We had a standing $40 bounty for making Brian St. Pierre wonder if he was adopted. Had to lower it from $400."

- "Yeah, I paid the curator of the British Museum $15k to let Ken Dorsey (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/21314/ken-dorsey) shit on a mummy. Didn't think much of it at the time."

[Ksyrup]

PeteThamelNYT (http://twitter.com/#!/PeteThamelNYT) Pete Thamel
After talking to NCAA officials today and some compliance folks, there seems to be little talk of bringing back death penalties or TV bans.

[Logan]

Seriously? you're disgusted by the athletes? Not the schools making the big bucks, not the coaches earning $6M per year?

Read closer.

[Logan]

I like how Golden claims he hasn't read the Yahoo article yet.

[Crapshoot]

Read closer.

Mea culpa. I completely mis-read that. :D

[larrymcg421]

I like how Golden claims he hasn't read the Yahoo article yet.

I'm sure he has been busy reading the want ads.

[MrBug708]

Any word on if the NCAA is just jealous of Miami?

[CU Tiger]

I think the death penalty is indeed possible if they are serious about strengthening penalties. If this isn't a dp case, there is no such thing.

Meh...as BAD as this is, and I think it is bad, there is a pretty easy defense. While granted a bunch of stuf happened it all happened from one individual. A con man so cunning and stealth he defrauded a Billion dollars from millionaires. Its not like we had car dealerships competing to see who could give what car away here.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Meh...as BAD as this is, and I think it is bad, there is a pretty easy defense. While granted a bunch of stuf happened it all happened from one individual. A con man so cunning and stealth he defrauded a Billion dollars from millionaires. Its not like we had car dealerships competing to see who could give what car away here.

The other issue in proving the case against coaches/admins regarding their knowledge of the payments is how to provide evidence they had knowledge. The Tim Floyd situation involved an accusation that he knew there was a cash payment to one of his players. But the payment was done in cash, so there was no evidence to tie the coach to the payment. Unless one of the coaches at Miami kept some sort of log of the payments, it's going to prove very difficult to prove those accusations, especially when it then comes down to the word of a NCAA coach vs. the word of a convicted felon.

Do I think the coaches knew? Hell yes they did. Will the NCAA be able to prove that? Barring a coach's log, e-mail, or phone recording we don't know about yet, there's no way they'll be able to prove knowledge.

[sterlingice]

How much does it burn ESPN that they had to reference Yahoo at least 5 times in their Miami story since they won't actually do the journalism:

NCAA investigating Miami Hurricanes - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6871050/ncaa-investigating-miami-hurricanes)

SI

[RomaGoth]

Meh, everything will be business as usual after the U imposes sanctions on itself by cutting 3-4 scholarships and missing a bowl game for 2 years.

[PilotMan]

Meh, everything will be business as usual after the U imposes sanctions on itself by cutting 3-4 scholarships and missing a bowl game for 2 years.

You know what? If they do end up with some really weak slap on the wrists I think that the NCAA is really going to have to reevaluate the way that things are done.

If all that money and fame can be had for cheap there is no deterrent whatsoever. Teams are going to break the rules harder, faster and in even more creative ways.

In fact, I would say that the whole idea of unpaid athletes and college might go out the window altogether. We might simply need a lower level of pro player that can get paid and play and do what they do without worrying about school.

The NCAA either has to protect what the have in it's current state, or admit that they have no control and change the entire landscape of college football.

[bronconick]

What's almost as funny is I read one of the articles that suggested that Shapiro offered to start "buying" players, but the coaches told him not to bother because Miami couldn't compete with SEC boosters in that regard. :lol:

[Ksyrup]

It appears several of the players who are named but no longer at Miami (like that Marve kid) have already been cleared. WTF? If that's any indication of how this is going to be handled, I think Miami is going to come out of this in pretty good shape. The kids don't bear any responsibility for taking this stuff? Or they only want to punish the school and the players still at the school? I don't get that. Anyone know how they are being cleared so quickly?

[GrantDawg]

It appears several of the players who are named but no longer at Miami (like that Marve kid) have already been cleared. WTF? If that's any indication of how this is going to be handled, I think Miami is going to come out of this in pretty good shape. The kids don't bear any responsibility for taking this stuff? Or they only want to punish the school and the players still at the school? I don't get that. Anyone know how they are being cleared so quickly?


What I heard in dealing with Orson Charles is that the NCAA had already been on the investigation for a while, and so they were ready to clear those players as soon as the current universities filed. Not knowing exactly what was involved with the players, they might have already dealt with issues with them (paid back what was given, or came clean to the investigators with no further issues, etc.).

[bronconick]

Supposedly the NCAA has been in on this for about 5 months, making them 6 months late to the Yahoo party, or about par for the course.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

What I heard in dealing with Orson Charles is that the NCAA had already been on the investigation for a while, and so they were ready to clear those players as soon as the current universities filed. Not knowing exactly what was involved with the players, they might have already dealt with issues with them (paid back what was given, or came clean to the investigators with no further issues, etc.).

This. I heard that Kansas State has already required that the Brown brothers pay back the amount received. They've privately admitted to Coach Snyder that they received the money. Most of it will be handled in this manner.

[Ksyrup]

Is that normal, to allow them to pay it back without any kind of additional penalty? When do the suspensions come in, like what Green got for UGA? Or did he lie about it and that's what the suspension was for?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Is that normal, to allow them to pay it back without any kind of additional penalty?

I believe the Brown brothers will also be facing a suspension. KSU has given a suggested length of suspension. We'll know the official length when the NCAA hands it down.

[Logan]

Doesn't it seem very similar (or even worse) to what happened with the UNC kids? Showered with gifts, taken on vacations/clubs. Those guys weren't allowed to repay anything.

[Ksyrup]

I believe the Brown brothers will also be facing a suspension. KSU has given a suggested length of suspension. We'll know the official length when the NCAA hands it down.

Oh. So what does "cleared" mean? I was under the impression that if they're cleared they can continue playing without further restrictions.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Oh. So what does "cleared" mean? I was under the impression that if they're cleared they can continue playing without further restrictions.

I'm only talking about the Brown situation. There may be other situations where they were cleared and face no penalty. I'd also assumed that 'cleared' means no payback or suspension.

[larrymcg421]

What I heard was that violations generally don't follow you from school to school, so that's why the Browns and Marve have been cleared. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but if so it makes zero sense and is really fucked up.

[Ksyrup]

If they determined Marve didn't do what the Yahoo investigation says he did, then that may say something about the investigation as a whole. If he admitted it and is cleared to play with no restrictions, I don't understand that.

Actually, it appears all of the guys mentioned in the Yahhoo report have been cleared. The players, anyway. I must not understand the process (*gets in line*).

[Ksyrup]

What I heard was that violations generally don't follow you from school to school, so that's why the Browns and Marve have been cleared. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but if so it makes zero sense and is really fucked up.

Yeah, that's ridiculous. Take as many illegal benefits as you want, as long as you wind up picking another school or transferring before they catch you. Then you're golden!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

What I heard was that violations generally don't follow you from school to school, so that's why the Browns and Marve have been cleared. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but if so it makes zero sense and is really fucked up.

That's the case with coaches, but the kids definitely are still responsible in one form or another. Otherwise, they lose their amateur status.

[bhlloy]

Somebody 5 years ago on your team that you never met took illegal benefits - we ruin your college career

You personally took illegal benefits - pay it back and you are good!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Somebody 5 years ago on your team that you never met took illegal benefits - we ruin your college career

You personally took illegal benefits - pay it back and you are good!

Yep, sad but true.

Not mentioned as of yet in this thread is the fact that the Miami AD also left the school this summer to run Texas Tech's athletic program.

Former Miami AD Hocutt says he didn't know what Shapiro was doing - NCAA Football - Sporting News (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-08-17/former-miami-ad-hocutt-says-he-didnt-know-what-shapiro-was-doing)

[MrBug708]

Is that normal, to allow them to pay it back without any kind of additional penalty? When do the suspensions come in, like what Green got for UGA? Or did he lie about it and that's what the suspension was for?

When Jarrett was living with...Leinart?...in an apartment where he was paying about an 1/8 of the rent, the NCAA ruled that he had to pay back a fair amount of money for that apartment.

Leinart and Jarrett each paid $650 a month, with Leinart's father paying $2,566 -- the difference of the monthly payment.

[RomaGoth]

Yep, sad but true.

Not mentioned as of yet in this thread is the fact that the Miami AD also left the school this summer to run Texas Tech's athletic program.

Former Miami AD Hocutt says he didn't know what Shapiro was doing - NCAA Football - Sporting News (http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-08-17/former-miami-ad-hocutt-says-he-didnt-know-what-shapiro-was-doing)

Hah. I love the "I didn't know what they were doing" angle these guys try to sell. You are the fucking AD of a big-time Division I football program. If you honestly didn't know what a booster was doing with your players, you had no business being an AD.

[Ksyrup]

He may not have known what was going on, but if you're going to give someone that kind of access to the program - including naming a lounge after him and letting him lead the team onto the field a couple of times, not to mention the practice field visits, etc. - you should have someone digging for dirt on the guy. And certainly you'd think he would have found out about the sports agency the guy co-owned that signed 2 of the U's 1st round picks. I mean,,, c'mon!

[GrantDawg]

If they determined Marve didn't do what the Yahoo investigation says he did, then that may say something about the investigation as a whole. If he admitted it and is cleared to play with no restrictions, I don't understand that.

Actually, it appears all of the guys mentioned in the Yahhoo report have been cleared. The players, anyway. I must not understand the process (*gets in line*).

I don't think it is as simple as we would make it. I do think some players dodge penalties if they didn't know the rule and are willing to pay back benefits, while others that should have known better will still face additional penalties. It really comes down to what exactly are the allegations facing these players (the players that aren't in Miami).

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Hah. I love the "I didn't know what they were doing" angle these guys try to sell. You are the fucking AD of a big-time Division I football program. If you honestly didn't know what a booster was doing with your players, you had no business being an AD.

That's par for the course in all these investigations in all schools. Plead ignorance of the situation until someone comes forward with concrete proof that you knew about it.

[molson]

I really question what incentive the NCAA or the schools have to be tougher on penalties or clean anything up....Has there been any hint that any of these incidents have impacted interest or the bottom line?

[GrantDawg]

Tweet:

RT @McMurphyCBS (http://twitter.com/McMurphyCBS): Hurricane Warning: Mark Emmert tells USA Today: "I'm not opposed to [NCAA's COI] using [the Death Penalty]."

[bhlloy]

I really question what incentive the NCAA or the schools have to be tougher on penalties or "ean anything up....Has there been any hint that any of these incidents have impact interest or the bottom line?

This

[molson]

Tweet:

He sure does talk tough. I really don't see it every happening though. Not because of what happened to SMU, but because there's just so much more money at stake now. It's hard to see the NCAA taking all those millions and millions away from a member school forever. At the end of the day the NCAA is just kind of a client of the big time football programs who handles some administration and organization. (I'd love to be wrong though).

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/acc/2011-08-17-miami-hurricanes-under-ncaa-scrutiny-and-talk-of-death-penalty_n.htm

"We have to get after it, and we have to get after it quickly," Emmert told USA TODAY on Wednesday. "It's a shame to have this kind of an exclamation point put on the declarative sentences that we were issuing. But boy, (the Miami allegations) sure did it.

"Anyone who looks at the situation is going to conclude that things aren't working, that there are fundamental problems that have to get fixed."

"Clearly, the impact of the so-called death penalty is really severe," Emmert said, speaking generally, and not specifically about the Miami case. "You wouldn't want to enter into it without a very solid reason for doing so. At the same time, you have to recognize that, today, inflicting that penalty on any one school has a lot of collateral damage to other members of the conference, around media contract rights and a variety of things. So you wouldn't enter into it casually.

"… Having said that, if that's an option that the (NCAA) committee on infractions believes is appropriate in any one case — it doesn't matter which one it is — I'm not opposed to them using that. … We need to have penalties that serve as effective deterrents so that people who are doing the calculation in their head (as to) whether or not the risks and rewards line up … recognize the price of being caught."

[Ksyrup]

One of the attorneys, I think it was, already was quoted as saying the death penalty's not in the discussion. They should try getting their stories straight before talking to the media.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting counter-point to the original article. It's a good analysis of why most of these charges will not be proven. The NCAA isn't a court of law, but this is pretty weak evidence even for their standards..........

Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims | All About The U (http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/)

[Matthean]

Interesting counter-point to the original article. It's a good analysis of why most of these charges will not be proven. The NCAA isn't a court of law, but this is pretty weak evidence even for their standards..........

Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims | All About The U (http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/)

This is why I don't get too excited about the possible charges until later. I would love to see OSU get nailed hard as well, but let's see what the NCAA really thinks of what went on.

[Ksyrup]

"Renegade reporter". Ha. He's gone ROGUE!

I won't even read that article just because of the headline.

[GrantDawg]

"Renegade reporter". Ha. He's gone ROGUE!

I won't even read that article just because of the headline.


Well, it is on "All About the U," written by 2003alumgocanes. So you know it has to be very fair and impartial, with absolutely no self interest to defend the university.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Well, it is on "All About the U," written by 2003alumgocanes. So you know it has to be very fair and impartial, with absolutely no self interest to defend the university.

And that's why some actually bother to read articles. He doesn't even defend the university or any of the parties involved. He even starts off by clearly stating that all of the charges may be absolutely true. What he does do (and very well I might add) is go through the information and actually evaluate the charge against what evidence was provided. In most of the cases, it's pretty flimsy at best and likely won't be a charge that the NCAA follows up.

It's a much longer version of what I stated previously......I think most of it happened, but I think very little of it will stand up to any burden of proof.

[Ksyrup]

From Stewart Mandel's twitter:

Paul Dee at a 2007 infractions hearing: "You have to put in place the kind of institutional control we have at Miami."

[GrantDawg]

And that's why some actually bother to read articles. He doesn't even defend the university or any of the parties involved. He even starts off by clearly stating that all of the charges may be absolutely true. What he does do (and very well I might add) is go through the information and actually evaluate the charge against what evidence was provided. In most of the cases, it's pretty flimsy at best and likely won't be a charge that the NCAA follows up.

It's a much longer version of what I stated previously......I think most of it happened, but I think very little of it will stand up to any burden of proof.


You glean what you want from an article. He makes those throw away lines, but his actual words are very much all about defending the university. Oh, and personally attacking the authors of the piece. He is purposely misrepresenting the article. Nowhere does the authors lay out the individual claims and pieces of evidence for all of the infractions. The article would be a novel considering the numbers involved. The authors do say they have both third party statements and paper records to back the claims they made. The guy behind the allegations actually gave them 120 names of players and coaches, and they weeded it down to 72 that they had other collaborating claims. The article doesn't go point by point, but highlights certain things, and he makes like that what they showed is all they have.

[Racer]

"Clearly, the impact of the so-called death penalty is really severe," Emmert said, speaking generally, and not specifically about the Miami case. "You wouldn't want to enter into it without a very solid reason for doing so. At the same time, you have to recognize that, today, inflicting that penalty on any one school has a lot of collateral damage to other members of the conference, around media contract rights and a variety of things. So you wouldn't enter into it casually.

Wouldn't the ACC most likely kick Miami out of the conference as soon as they find a new 12th school to replace them to avoid losing a conference championship game?

[Ksyrup]

At the time this is handed down, the ACC might not exist, or it might be at 9 members or 16 members.

[RedKingGold]

Interesting counter-point to the original article. It's a good analysis of why most of these charges will not be proven. The NCAA isn't a court of law, but this is pretty weak evidence even for their standards..........

Renegade reporter spells out litany of accusations while often failing to substantiate his claims | All About The U (http://allabouttheu.wordpress.com/2011/08/18/renegade-reporter-spells-out-litany-of-accusations-while-often-failing-to-substantiate-his-claims/)

Sorry, this guy can't hold Yahoo Sports junk when it comes to sports reporting.

[digamma]

It's a much longer version of what I stated previously......I think most of it happened, but I think very little of it will stand up to any burden of proof.

The NCAA ain't exactly a court of law, you know?

[Ksyrup]

Now with Taiwan animation!

And Taiwan weighs in on Miami - CBSSports.com (http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/31419360)

[SnDvls]

Sorry, this guy can't hold Yahoo Sports junk when it comes to sports reporting.

I liked where he tried to convince the reader that a booster calling a recruit or current player multiple times and them calling him back is totally normal and on the up and up.

[Ksyrup]

If they determined Marve didn't do what the Yahoo investigation says he did, then that may say something about the investigation as a whole. If he admitted it and is cleared to play with no restrictions, I don't understand that.

Actually, it appears all of the guys mentioned in the Yahhoo report have been cleared. The players, anyway. I must not understand the process (*gets in line*).

Well, I guess I got my answer last night. The NCAA gave the transferred/signed elsewhere players "limited immunity," meaning they are immediately eligible in exchange for giving up all the info they have on Miami. Miami has officially graduated from a bunch of thugs to mobsters.

[GrantDawg]

Well, I guess I got my answer last night. The NCAA gave the transferred/signed elsewhere players "limited immunity," meaning they are immediately eligible in exchange for giving up all the info they have on Miami. Miami has officially graduated from a bunch of thugs to mobsters.


Is it reading in to suggest that tells how large the level of infractions that are being investigated? It seems the NCAA is willing to over-look minor infractions to make a case for major ones.

[digamma]

Charles Robinson fields questions from Cane fans.

CaneSport.com - Yahoo! Sports Uncensored: Questions from the fans (http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1254883)

[GrantDawg]

Charles Robinson fields questions from Cane fans.

CaneSport.com - Yahoo! Sports Uncensored: Questions from the fans (http://miami.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1254883)


He pretty much answered every question the Canes fan had been using to deny the allegations. Now, it is a question of if his sources are going to be as forthright to the NCAA investigators. Many sources he couldn't list because it would reveal their identity means he also couldn't give them to the NCAA, so they are going to have to happen on them on their own. My guess is many will not work with the NCAA, and some of the allegations won't stand up.

[Logan]

Some great questions in there. Hard to see any of the emotion.

[Ksyrup]

My guess is many will not work with the NCAA, and some of the allegations won't stand up.

Which is why they did the immunity thing for the current players not at Miami - they want to play, so they must talk. I haven't looked at the details, but I'd be interested in how many of the 12, if any, can link a coach or someone at the school with knowledge of the benefits they received.

[gstelmack]

Pearl was charged with unethical conduct after he acknowledged in September lying to NCAA investigators about a cookout he hosted at his home attended by recruits

Read more: AP Sources: Bruce Pearl hit with multiyear penalty - NCAA Basketball - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/08/24/Bruce.Pearl.ap/index.html#ixzz1VyNLlPFu[/quote)

So, Tressel has to be hit with this as well, right, for lying about what he knew?

[JPhillips]

You can hit Tressel with any penalties you want, but it won't matter. I can't see any scenario where he gets back into collegiate coaching.

[Ksyrup]

I was kinda surprised that he said he wanted to eventually. I thought his retirement from OSU meant he acknowledged he'd never coach again.

[JPhillips]

I think Tressel will end up as a coordinator in the NFL if he coaches at all.

[Ksyrup]

Maybe that's what he was talking about. He wasn't specific.

[Philliesfan980]

I could see Tressel doing a "grass roots" type thing (think 1-AA, D2), have some success, and then get back into major college athletics.

I think most long time college coaches would have a real hard time being a coordinator in the NFL. Most aren't the best x's and o's guys.

[digamma]

72 former Miami players receive subpoenas in the bankruptcy case of Nevin Shapiro. I've fought a lot of subpoenas and it isn't easy. It is usually not a matter of whether you have to respond but if you can delay it long enough that your testimony becomes irrelevant or forgotten.

This is interesting because, the NCAA, of course, does not have subpoena power. They can't compel anyone to testify. Now, I would expect all of the Canes to request confidential treatment of their testimony, but quote a way of landing in unsealed court briefs or other documents. It will be interesting to see if the NCAA is able to use or review anything from testimony or documentary evidence here.

72 former Miami Hurricanes to get subpoenaed - CBSSports.com (http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/31627252?ttag=gen10_on_all_fb_na_txt_0001)

[bhlloy]

Between 1 and 6 games for the players involved. Once again the message is break all the rules you want, by the time the investigation is done you will be long gone and any punishment will be suffered by a bunch of kids who had nothing to do with. Brilliant.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

DeQuan's mom goes on the offensive. Rumor around Mizzou is that Haith isn't even being targeted by the NCAA. They're targeting the Miami BB assistants, but aren't finding much to back up Shapiro's claims of a $10,000 payment.

UM hoops player DeQuan Jones’ mom, former coaches deny allegations - UM - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/09/01/2385623/um-hoops-player-dequan-jones-mom.html)

[sterlingice]

Oh, I missed this story a week ago but thought it would make a good bump here:

Boise State gets NCAA penalties - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/46948/boise-state-gets-ncaa-penalties)

If we use a similar scale for penalties, then Miami would get, what, 4 death penalties? Is that like serving 4 consecutive life sentences in jail where you just have no hope of parole?

SI

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Oh, I missed this story a week ago but thought it would make a good bump here:

Boise State gets NCAA penalties - College Football Nation Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_/id/46948/boise-state-gets-ncaa-penalties)

If we use a similar scale for penalties, then Miami would get, what, 4 death penalties? Is that like serving 4 consecutive life sentences in jail where you just have no hope of parole?

SI

I saw someone say that Miami and Ohio State should stop screwing around to avoid any further penalties from the NCAA against Boise State.

[dawgfan]

Worth noting that Oregon finally got an official notice of inquiry from the NCAA.

[Ksyrup]

The Boise State thing was in part laughable - "Couchgate" is what it's being called. The main football violations were players letting recruits sleep on their couches during visits and giving them rides to the field without collecting gas money.

The tennis program, OTOH, did some serious shit, like knowingly playing an ineligible player from overseas.

Anyway, I thought it was pretty funny that UNC imposed sanctions on itself identical to what Boise State got. As if UNC's violations weren't a tad more serious.

[Ksyrup]

Worth noting that Oregon finally got an official notice of inquiry from the NCAA.

As did South Carolina.

Interesting timing from Oregon - got the letter mid-week, announced it right after College GameDay ended and the noon games were kicking off on Saturday.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

DeQuan Jones Cleared To Play « CBS Miami (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/12/20/dequan-jones-cleared-to-play/)

[muns]

Again???? Just wow

Hurricanes coach Al Golden's staff used booster's associate in potential recruiting violations - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--hurricanes-coach-al-golden-s-staff-used-booster-s-associate-in-potential-recruiting-violations.html)

[molson]

Ha, I had forgotten about Miami. Luckily for them, I think the NCAA has too.

"We have to get after it, and we have to get after it quickly," Emmert told USA TODAY on Wednesday. (from an article 11 months ago)

[gstelmack]

Meanwhile Caltech got dinged hard for using "ineligible" players, who were ineligible because they hadn't finished signing up for classes until the end of the 3 week registration period...

[sterlingice]

A friend of mine who went to Cal Tech was like "yeah, they must have been laughing pretty hard drawing up those self-imposed penalties. No postseason for a team that had lost over 300 in a row until last season"

SI

[cuervo72]

yy, and vacating non-existent wins!

[General Mike]

Give em the death penalty or they'll never learn.

[molson]

Meanwhile Caltech got dinged hard for using "ineligible" players, who were ineligible because they hadn't finished signing up for classes until the end of the 3 week registration period...

To be fair, Caltech has been unfairly and brutally dominating their competition for far too long, leaving the NCAA little choice but to get involved. Athletics can't dominate a university, you know.

[sterlingice]

To be fair, Caltech has been unfairly and brutally dominating their competition for far too long, leaving the NCAA little choice but to get involved. Athletics can't dominate a university, you know.

Gold! :D

SI

[EagleFan]

Miami was breaking the rules? In another surprising turn of events, the sun will rise tomorrow. ;)

[RainMaker]

My D2 alma mater basically got banned from the postseason last year because of some transfer paperwork not being filed properly for one of the players.

[Ksyrup]

Again???? Just wow

Hurricanes coach Al Golden's staff used booster's associate in potential recruiting violations - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--hurricanes-coach-al-golden-s-staff-used-booster-s-associate-in-potential-recruiting-violations.html)

Aubrey Hill resigned as UF WR coach this morning. Statements only said it was for personal reaosns, not related to UF (didn't mention Miami), and that he didn't want to be a distraction.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interview with Allen about the Shapiro allegations. Allen sheds some light on the allegations and what did and didn't really happen.

Exclusive: Ex-employee details how Hurricanes program unraveled in scandal - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com News, Scores, Stats, Schedule and BCS Rankings (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/20301408/exclusive-exemployee-details-how-hurricanes-program-unraveled-in-scandal)

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't see how the NCAA can avoid hammering Miami... but then again it is the NCAA and Dees has a lot of friends in the organization still.

[sterlingice]

I predict they basically get what USC got even tho they deserve worse

SI

[Ksyrup]

They are in south Florida, so that will be factored into the penalty as mitigation in a "they're already suffering so much" way.

[Atocep]

CaneInsider reporting that Miami will receive its notice of allegations within the next 72 hours.

[JonInMiddleGA]

To be fair, Caltech has been unfairly and brutally dominating their competition for far too long, leaving the NCAA little choice but to get involved. Athletics can't dominate a university, you know.

Heh. I know this is old but a local kid apparently got offered a baseball scholly to Caltech ... he basically said he'd take the scholarship & go there ... but only if he didn't actually have to play baseball :)

BTW, he's a career backup in HS.

[molson]

If they actually ever get around to this in the next few years, remember, the NCAA has now established football program penalties for covering up mass child rape, so any future penalty has to be relative to that. Is cheating at recruiting half as bad as covering up child rape? 10% as bad?

[sterlingice]

That's why the mass child rape should have been death penalty so there's a little wiggle room below that (oh, and because of the abhorrent acts committed)

SI

[molson]

That's why the mass child rape should have been death penalty so there's a little wiggle room below that (oh, and because of the abhorrent acts committed)

SI

Or treat child rape like an actual serious life-and-death matter bigger than sports and not in the same way you punish agents for buying houses for athlete's parents. (though, I guess the death penalty would have gotten closer to that than the absurdity of taking scholarships away, but still, the NCAA turns anything it gets involved with into a joke, so I'd rather they keep themselves contained to the "joke" of "student athletes" at big-time universities.)

Edit: But instead, this is the position they've put themselves in - I suspect on purpose. If child rape is just an another rules violation punishable by taking away X number of scholarships (and who they're "punishing" is never quite clear with the NCAA, though I think we established in previous threads its the Penn St. community that "liked football too much" and thus caused this), then any other scholarship penalty for silly recruiting stuff just looks ridiculous. If this is the scale we're on, Miami should get nothing more than a letter of censure or something. And I think that was part of the NCAA getting involved in the Penn St thing. They have much less pressure now to actually punish in traditional areas. To take 2+ years (and counting) to look into the Miami stuff is ridiculous. The more time that goes buy the more pointless any "punishment" is.

[sterlingice]

Expect it to look like the USC or Ohio State stuff rather than, you know, the death penalty. Which, again is what Miami deserves but they'll never death penalty any program again.

SI

[Logan]

Going to be a while before we hear anything:

NCAA: Former staff members worked improperly with Shapiro during Miami investigator - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ncaa-former-staff-members-worked-improperly-with-shapiro-during-miami-investigator/2013/01/23/957cf50e-6587-11e2-889b-f23c246aa446_story.html)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Going to be a while before we hear anything:

NCAA: Former staff members worked improperly with Shapiro during Miami investigator - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ncaa-former-staff-members-worked-improperly-with-shapiro-during-miami-investigator/2013/01/23/957cf50e-6587-11e2-889b-f23c246aa446_story.html)

I've heard that this investigation is an unmitigated disaster. I was told that Mizzou and Haith attorneys have already drawn up a lawsuit against the NCAA for the leak earlier this week, ready to file depending on what the NCAA rules. The leak to Goodman came from the same lady who was fired over the Shabazz Muhammad debacle. She was also a KU grad, which should only add further fuel to the fire.

Given what's in this article, the NCAA is going to have a VERY hard time making any significant ruling stick in this investigation.

[molson]

Going to be a while before we hear anything:

NCAA: Former staff members worked improperly with Shapiro during Miami investigator - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/ncaa-former-staff-members-worked-improperly-with-shapiro-during-miami-investigator/2013/01/23/957cf50e-6587-11e2-889b-f23c246aa446_story.html)

Comical.

[Logan]

Apparently Nevin Shapiro's attorney was on the NCAAs payroll.

[molson]

They're just out of their league with this stuff, they need to go back to focusing on the South Dakota St. woman's golf team.

[BillJasper]

They're just out of their league with this stuff, they need to go back to focusing on the South Dakota St. woman's golf team.

:lol:

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

This basically sums up the situation. With a good chunk of Shapiro's information likely thrown out, this investigation is cooked. Any penalties levied would be challenged in a court of law.

An embarrassing day for the NCAA is a good day for Missouri's Frank Haith - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21604712/an-embarrassing-day-for-the-ncaa-is-a-good-day-for-missouris-frank-haith)

It appears that Melissa Conboy (also a KU law school graduate) was also involved with the leak of information to Goodman in addition to being involved with Shapiro's lawyer while on staff per 810 AM here in KC.

This is better than an episode of 'The Young and the Restless'.

[Logan]

Don't worry, I'm sure Haith will fuck up again.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Don't worry, I'm sure Haith will fuck up again.

Your check is in the mail.

[larrymcg421]

"Reduced scholarships, extended bowl ban for Miami. Death Penalty for NCAA"

[molson]

Remember when everybody here thought North Carolina would get the death penalty?

[panerd]

This basically sums up the situation. With a good chunk of Shapiro's information likely thrown out, this investigation is cooked. Any penalties levied would be challenged in a court of law.

An embarrassing day for the NCAA is a good day for Missouri's Frank Haith - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21604712/an-embarrassing-day-for-the-ncaa-is-a-good-day-for-missouris-frank-haith)

It appears that Melissa Conboy (also a KU law school graduate) was also involved with the leak of information to Goodman in addition to being involved with Shapiro's lawyer while on staff per 810 AM here in KC.

This is better than an episode of 'The Young and the Restless'.

I couldn't disagree with you more on this one. The Frank Haith situation is so much like politics (other party does it send them to jail, my side does it then its business as usual) it isn't even funny. So I am a member of a couple of Mizzou boards that are like this one where there is a lot of OT talk. Everyone on those boards wants the death penalty for Penn State, they think OSU is slimy and deserves what they got, they thought Miami deserves the death penalty but all of sudden we hire a slimy guy and it is the NCAA and KU people that are in the wrong. Give me a break if Mizzou had any integrity Haith would be out on his ass and probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place. This isn't a KU grad trying to nail Mizzou its Mizzou's current coach being caught with his hand in the cookie jar. I can't sit and post in the Lance Armstrong thread about cheaters and then excuse Frank Haith because his tie is black and gold. /END RANT

[RedKingGold]

Well said, fight the power!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I couldn't disagree with you more on this one. The Frank Haith situation is so much like politics (other party does it send them to jail, my side does it then its business as usual) it isn't even funny. So I am a member of a couple of Mizzou boards that are like this one where there is a lot of OT talk. Everyone on those boards wants the death penalty for Penn State, they think OSU is slimy and deserves what they got, they thought Miami deserves the death penalty but all of sudden we hire a slimy guy and it is the NCAA and KU people that are in the wrong. Give me a break if Mizzou had any integrity Haith would be out on his ass and probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place. This isn't a KU grad trying to nail Mizzou its Mizzou's current coach being caught with his hand in the cookie jar. I can't sit and post in the Lance Armstrong thread about cheaters and then excuse Frank Haith because his tie is black and gold. /END RANT

You must be viewing different Mizzou boards than the ones I'm on. Most that I have seen think the NCAA has overstepped its bounds in all three instances that you cited.

Haith hasn't been proven guilty in any way. All we have right now is a convicted felon as a witness and his lawyer collecting money from the investigating party. There couldn't be a bigger conflict of interest if you try. Couple that with the lead investigator in the Miami investigation being the same person who was fired for misconduct in another investigation and there's little question that the NCAA has set a standard that doesn't lead anyone to believe that they can do a competent job of enforcing their own rules.

You don't excuse him because his tie is black and gold. You excuse him (and Miami for that matter) because there's been a gross level of incompetence by the investigating entity.

[kcchief19]

I couldn't disagree with you more on this one. The Frank Haith situation is so much like politics (other party does it send them to jail, my side does it then its business as usual) it isn't even funny. So I am a member of a couple of Mizzou boards that are like this one where there is a lot of OT talk. Everyone on those boards wants the death penalty for Penn State, they think OSU is slimy and deserves what they got, they thought Miami deserves the death penalty but all of sudden we hire a slimy guy and it is the NCAA and KU people that are in the wrong. Give me a break if Mizzou had any integrity Haith would be out on his ass and probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place. This isn't a KU grad trying to nail Mizzou its Mizzou's current coach being caught with his hand in the cookie jar. I can't sit and post in the Lance Armstrong thread about cheaters and then excuse Frank Haith because his tie is black and gold. /END RANT
I disagree in that I think both are true. It's the nature of college sports for every team to think their team is virtuous and everyone else is cheating. I don't like it either, but it's reality. Frankly, it's a corollary to why I'm not on Joe Paterno -- it's hard to believe that someone (a family, a friend, a university) did something wrong, and you're more likely to believe the best of your friend and the worst of your enemy.

I don't know if the fact she was a kU grad influence her thinking, but it doesn't look good. I wouldn't expect a kU grad to investigate MU anymore than a Duke grad should investigate UNC. It looks bad.

For what it's worth, I'm one of the few Mizzou fans who has never approved of the Haith hire. It's great that he had a nice season last year but it proved nothing to me. I think he's a sleazy cheater, and I wish he wasn't our coach.

But kU cheats too, so what are you going to do? :D

[panerd]

I disagree in that I think both are true. It's the nature of college sports for every team to think their team is virtuous and everyone else is cheating. I don't like it either, but it's reality. Frankly, it's a corollary to why I'm not on Joe Paterno -- it's hard to believe that someone (a family, a friend, a university) did something wrong, and you're more likely to believe the best of your friend and the worst of your enemy.

I don't know if the fact she was a kU grad influence her thinking, but it doesn't look good. I wouldn't expect a kU grad to investigate MU anymore than a Duke grad should investigate UNC. It looks bad.

For what it's worth, I'm one of the few Mizzou fans who has never approved of the Haith hire. It's great that he had a nice season last year but it proved nothing to me. I think he's a sleazy cheater, and I wish he wasn't our coach.

But kU cheats too, so what are you going to do? :D

Agree on Haith. I think because Anderson left town in the middle of the night he doesn't get enough credit from our fans for the exceptionial team he left us last year and Haith seems to be proving this year that he can lands the guys but has trouble getting them to work to together (the coaching part of being a coach aka Quin Snyder)

The KU stuff is just silly though and even though MBBF seems to buy into it I won't lay this on just him as I hear it all over the Mizzou boards. Listen I used to consider them as hated a rival as anyone but in my own job worked with KU guys and thought nothing of it. This girl is going to put her ass on the line to "nail Mizzou"? For all we know she doesn't even know KU has a basketball team. It really does make us look petty and like we are looking for excuses. And I would call out a UCLA fan who said this about USC or a OSU fan who said this about Michigan so its stupid for MBBF to even imply that plays into this at all. A large amount of cash was most likely given to the Miami player. The fact that the coach is now at Mizzou doesn't change my opinion on the matter now.

[Kodos]

I couldn't disagree with you more on this one. The Frank Haith situation is so much like politics (other party does it send them to jail, my side does it then its business as usual) it isn't even funny. So I am a member of a couple of Mizzou boards that are like this one where there is a lot of OT talk. Everyone on those boards wants the death penalty for Penn State, they think OSU is slimy and deserves what they got, they thought Miami deserves the death penalty but all of sudden we hire a slimy guy and it is the NCAA and KU people that are in the wrong. Give me a break if Mizzou had any integrity Haith would be out on his ass and probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place. This isn't a KU grad trying to nail Mizzou its Mizzou's current coach being caught with his hand in the cookie jar. I can't sit and post in the Lance Armstrong thread about cheaters and then excuse Frank Haith because his tie is black and gold. /END RANT

Nice. I felt the same way when IU hired Sampson. I was shocked and pissed that they would hire a known cheater. We deserved everything we got as far as the punishments were concerned.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Agree on Haith. I think because Anderson left town in the middle of the night he doesn't get enough credit from our fans for the exceptionial team he left us last year and Haith seems to be proving this year that he can lands the guys but has trouble getting them to work to together (the coaching part of being a coach aka Quin Snyder)

The KU stuff is just silly though and even though MBBF seems to buy into it I won't lay this on just him as I hear it all over the Mizzou boards. Listen I used to consider them as hated a rival as anyone but in my own job worked with KU guys and thought nothing of it. This girl is going to put her ass on the line to "nail Mizzou"? For all we know she doesn't even know KU has a basketball team. It really does make us look petty and like we are looking for excuses. And I would call out a UCLA fan who said this about USC or a OSU fan who said this about Michigan so its stupid for MBBF to even imply that plays into this at all. A large amount of cash was most likely given to the Miami player. The fact that the coach is now at Mizzou doesn't change my opinion on the matter now.

There's no excuses to be made. Abby Grantstein must have done some masterful work to get to the position she held in the NCAA. She was the compliance officer at KU when the department was cited by the NCAA for lacking proper compliance controls. The NCAA decided that was good enough reason to hire her????

In addition, she was the LEAD investigator in the Selby eligibility case for the NCAA as reported today by the St. Louis Dispatch. How the hell does the former compliance officer for KU get the lead on investigating an issue at her former school? I guess we shouldn't be surprised why he was allowed to play when most believed it should not have happened. And how does the NCAA allow her to investigate an issue related to Mizzou given the rivalry? For comparison, the current Mizzou rep on the NCAA investigation group recused himself from both the Miami investigation and also from any and all KU investigations. It's just common sense.

As panerd says, I'm sure she knows nothing about the sports programs. Oh, wait.......isn't that Abby in Allen Fieldhouse???? And isn't that her boyfriend next to her? You remember, the guy who couldn't keep his mouth shut in regards to the UCLA investigation? And just to add a bit more excitement, the girl on the right is now the lead compliance officer at Baylor. We all know they run a dandy compliance program.

http://www.tigerboard.com/uimages/user296_4.jpg

And then this pops up on Tigerboard this morning. It's a grain of salt kind of thing, but there's a lot of interesting information in here. Granted, there's no firm citation of who he talked with, but Goodman hasn't cited his source either and it appears now that his 'source' was incorrect on multiple things.....

Well my man told me there was no notice of allegation in regards to paying for Jones *or* lying about it on Monday. Sadly it seems a simple fabrication posed as a "leak" w/o multiple sources to confirm it is taken as the gospel now. Also notice how NOT. ONE. SINGLE. OTHER. NEWS. ORGANIZATION. HAS. VERIFIED. THIS. STORY.

My man maintains that there was never going to be, nor will there be a NOA on the Jones matter. So calm down, as paying players & he stressed lying about is the worst you can do this side of Penn St. Actually he said "getting caught paying players" which does make me think deeper, but I will stay on point.

He did remind me that the Travel issue remains, and is valid. Proving Shapiro had access to recruits is hit or miss, same for Bball players once off campus hanging around him.

Even both of those are secondary, as the footballplayers were they people Shapiro loved to wine and dine.

So, there is the minor travel violation coming for sure. Maybe another secondary one for NS seeing recruits.

Overall, he said This case is a total cluster from top to bottom. You had the president and AD kssing NS's ass and taking donations, FB players living large, and Randy Shannon ordering everyone to stay away from the guy. NS claimed in 2010 that he would write a book that would take UM down to Chinatown, Charles Robinson took him up on the offer, and released his story in Aug of 2011. The NCAA literally used it as guide and found out some more stuff, found some of it unsubstantiated, and found the President, Board, & AD all knew. ALL OF THEM.

When I asked, then why haven't they (Miami higher ups) resigned? He said, they simply dug in, and dug deep. He said, they encircled themselves with good attorneys, and paid a settlement to another partner in the Axcess Sports firm he co-owned, Michael Huyghue w/ a non disclosure agreement. The ACC has quite a bit of pull, and does not want to see Miami turn into SMU, and flat said they helped them navigate. YES, he said that. I guess that is how it works in a good conference.

So, he said a majority of the wrongdoing was done by the football squad, who partied, drank, shopped, got prostitutes, drugs, and took recruits to or with NS, but all of those folks cannot be served a subpeona by the NCAA. Neither can Huygue be forced to break his NDA. The investigative team was innudated with mountains of stuff they could not prove, along with tons of stuff they can. It was as complex as it long because there is so much to record, verify, and investigate. Remember, there are pictures of everyone in Miami hanging with NS, who donated hundreds of thousands to UM.

After 6 months, one memo stated they had enough recorded to give UM the death penalty for 5 years, and asked to stop and just go after what they knew they could prove. Obviously, they were told to leave no stone unturned. Back to the grind they went. Then, he said politics started seeping in, and they found the pressures guiding them away from certain areas. This was the ACC or even folks in the NCAA to drop the prostitution or drug dealer angle as they didn't want that "out there". Just stick to the other stuff, then...it was drop the Axcess Sports, Michael Huyghue connection to NS & UM. Hmmmmm..not so tedious investigation now huh? Then one of the investigators is relieved,..Ms you know who...then the Notre Dame lady who literally wanted to burn the campus down started to seek other ways to prove the charges. She was also the one driving force along with KC guy to "really Focus on HCFH". Somwhere in this time, I assume is when the choice to retain Maria Elena-Perez, because once they started directing this, procedure, professionalism, and about everything else went out the window. The team did not like being guided by powers that be within the NCAA, or ACC for that matter. It was acrymonious at times. Several on the committee reviewing what they had, tried to focus on what could be presented in the best light w/o undue embarassment. After Septmeber, when several members term expire is when it got silly.

At this point, he said there was not much activity, as there was a focus on review as to what they had and could prove. He stated that they could investigate this for a few more years, & still be sifting through it given their rules of engagement.
All of the sudden they are hearing that they are discussing the puishment before the report is complete. 3 year ban or 4 year ban? This coach or that one? take way 10 schollies or 15? People on much different pages, all of the time. Well the clusterfudge was continuing with no wrap up in sight, when various people started hearing reports that Miami was about to be notified of it's charges and the investigation was wrapping up?? This was news to a great many, and NO ONE knew who or whom. They had kept open communiacation with Miami. the coaches, current and former, and were not sure who started that "story" Miami denied it, and they issued their Standard "We cannot comment" That was last week, and then nothing. After an internal butt chewing from higher ups, it was revealed that someone had hired Maria Elena-Perez and the obvious COI if not lawbreaking actions had occurred. Seams that someone who was told "not to worry about it" went above her head. and BOOM!!!

This all came to ahead a few weeks ago with Maria Elena-Perez, then the story claiming allegations coming. Obviously a cluster. No one trusting anyone, everyone with an agenda, & the ACC & factions of the NCAA wanting their say.

And in walks Goodman.....to literally blow up the NCAA as we know it. Goodman runs with a story, (a leak he calls it) that everyone instantly recognizes as bull****, & knows EXACTLY who did it. He reminds me, that professional people dont act like this, and that most are stunned by it...b/c..it IS NOT TRUE. He then says, notice how no one else confirmed it? No one else picked it up. That day a memo went out to circle the wagons & for everyone to STFU. Most dont care now, & today they announce it is on hold pending review from another firm. She did it, and everyone knows it.

As to us, They never saw the ku angle on this, until someone from Mizzou (not me) pointed out how odd this was...& very coincidentalit it was. Then everyone saw it. Now, how can they trust the judgment of a member? Her reputation is gone,case tainted, and she authorized Maria Elena-Perez to come on board???

In the end, Miami is getting 3 or 4 year bowl bans, some scholarships lost, and less visits. Not sure about any of the football coaches *NOW*, before, they were walking dead. As to Haith, never a serious charge was coming. All his interaction with NS seemed to be to accomadate a wealthy donor. In Miami, that means meeting at night clubs or strip joints. Not the family atmosphere the NCAA wants, but not breaking the rules either. He is getting a slap on the wrist.

When I asked if he thinks he did it, he said they can't prove it. ummmm..I asked again, for a yes or no...he said no. His reason was that HCFH left his assistants after the Final Four meeting with our AD. Had been w/ them for years, but he said goodbye and wished them the best of luck. Apparently HCFH had to get by with no funding at UM and wanted a better staff. Kind of cold hearted & dickish..but that's life. He did help them seek othe jobs. My man said if anyone could have buried HCFH, it was one of those guys...and none did. He alluded that they weren't that bright and offered up details on other things...so they weren't coached on their interviews very well...so in the end he doesn't believe HCFH paid for players or lied about it.

As for the NCAA...he said he has no other event to compare it to other than WATERGATE!! It is simply that bad, & all the players have major dirt on each other...with a respected firm coming in to clean up. Either the NCAA decares a "mistrial" if you will and keeps everything buried...or Armegeddon breaks out, with repercussions from USC to PennST to UNC to the NFL. He can't tell me anymore as it is all just that f**kingbad.

[panerd]

Sounds like a lot of Mizzou fans making excuses for Haith being involved in something dirty. Like I said it happens in politics all the time. The GOP does something crooked, shows what Obama does that is worse. Slam the investigator but avoid addressing the actual problem. And yes that story is just Mizzou fans now covering for Haith because he is on their team. Scroll back in this thread 3 pages and find yourself slamming Miami when there was no Mizzou connection and not worrying about KU ties to the investigation.

Or they make a perfect expansion match for the SEC. Bama's going to be pissed if they get knocked off the 'top cheater' perch.


This really isn't that complex. You are defending Haith because he is at Mizzou. The guy is from a dirty program and has dirt on his hands. This KU woman didn't make up the bag of cash story just to finally get her chance to take down the "rival" that beat them 25-30% of the time in basketball.

[Logan]

Bravo, panerd. You've earned some credibility.

[panerd]

Bravo, panerd. You've earned some credibility.

I think Kodos put it best with his Sampson post. He wants Indiana to win but not at any cost. Mizzou already went through Quin Snyder dragging our program's name through the dirt. Norm Stewart is a Mizzou icon (and deserves to be) but he got us into some shit with his Detroit fiasco. I refuse to look the other way just because it's Mizzou. I would much rather be the "best basketball program to never make a final four" than have slime like John Calipari straddling the line of right/wrong and vacating national titles ten years down the line.

Had Bill Self been under investigation for something he did at Illinois and SI came on and said because a Mizzou guy is investigating it's all bullshit MBBF would have possibly gone into cardiac arrest. It's dumb.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Sounds like a lot of Mizzou fans making excuses for Haith being involved in something dirty. Like I said it happens in politics all the time. The GOP does something crooked, shows what Obama does that is worse. Slam the investigator but avoid addressing the actual problem.

This really isn't that complex. You are defending Haith because he is at Mizzou. The guy is from a dirty program and has dirt on his hands. This KU woman didn't make up the bag of cash story just to finally get her chance to take down the "rival" that beat them 25-30% of the time in basketball.

I agree. It's not that complex. The issue here isn't Haith and whether or not he's guilty. I have consistently made posts saying that I think Haith DID break rules at some level. Not sure why you continue to attack that paper tiger (and Logan even gave you credibility for slashing that paper tiger in half).

The issue is that there's a clear conflict of interest, both in regards to the lead investigator on the investigation and her decision to hire Shapiro's lawyer. It's really that simple and you couldn't be more correct about that. Her poor decision-making will lead to nearly all charges against Haith being thrown out and some of the football program charges as well. In addition, this will only add fuel to the discussions that the member institutions have been having in recent months about breaking off of the NCAA and creating a new governing body.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Mizzou already went through Quin Snyder dragging our program's name through the dirt.

And if you remember correctly, that's the same Quin Snyder who boasted (much to the chagrin of his Duke associates) that everything he was charged for (plane tickets to recruits, promotional clothes to recruits) was business as usual while he was at Duke. But you don't see them being cited.

Had Bill Self been under investigation for something he did at Illinois and SI came on and said because a Mizzou guy is investigating it's all bullshit MBBF would have possibly gone into cardiac arrest. It's dumb.

That wouldn't have happened as I already cited. The 'Mizzou Guy' has recused himself from three different KU investigations since he joined the compliance board. It's dumb because it's common sense that he shouldn't be involved.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Not sure why the lawyer in question decided to agree to this interview and then say what she said. Not only did she further hurt the NCAA with some of her comments, she also broke multiple Florida lawyer laws regarding discussion of clients that she is representing. There's several comments at the bottom of the article by Florida lawyers who cite which sections she violated and how contradictory her comments were in this article.

Nevin Shapiro's attorney says she did nothing wrong working with NCAA on Miami probe - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/fl-um-ncaa-maria-elena-perez-0125-20130124,0,2483056.story)

[Izulde]

These new recruiting rules are going to be a disaster IMO.

[CU Tiger]

These new recruiting rules are going to be a disaster IMO.

Agreed.
They simply can't last.

I remember before th text message ban, players were literally having their phones disconnected because they couldn't afford the bills from the shear volume of text messages they were receiving.

Remember urban Meyer had 4 full time g.a.s who did nothing but send txt messages. I remember reading. Terbie where recruits said he texted them during the spring game, saying this p,ay would have worked better with you carrying g the ball.of course it wasn't him texting them but they thought it was.

I was talking to a member of Clemsons s&c staff who was a former player, and he was a 3 star recruit...not anywhere near a franchise talent. He said at its peak he was getting 300-350 text messages a day from college coaches, and cited one coach (Uga cmr) who was himself texting him 50+ times a day. He said every morning at 6am he'd get simultaneous texts, it's a great day to be a tiger, dog, gator, Seminole..you name it.now the NCAA has re allowed this.

And no limit on support staff...the rich just got richer.

[britrock88]

And a head rolls...

N.C.A.A. Ousts Julie Roe Lach as Vice President of Enforcement - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/sports/ncaa-ousts-julie-roe-lach-as-vice-president-of-enforcement.html)

[molson]

This Dana O'Neil lady at ESPN.com has become quite adept at pointing out how stupid and incompetent the NCAA is. They're going to have to either let this Miami thing go or have a scaled-down resolution that Miami consents to.

In Miami debacle, NCAA President Mark Emmert leaves accountability to others - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8960028/in-miami-debacle-ncaa-president-mark-emmert-leaves-accountability-others)

"So far on Emmert's watch, the NCAA has bungled and fumbled multiple investigations (Cam Newton, Shabazz Muhammad and now Miami); fired two NCAA investigators; saw the exits of two enforcement administrators (director of enforcement Bill Benjamin resigned in June, just eight months after taking the job); and gone well outside of its own rulebook and sidestepped due process to punish Penn State, which generated a lawsuit from none other than the state of Pennsylvania.

Yet Emmert continues to pontificate from his self-righteous pulpit, ironically employing the same line of defense that forced the NCAA to enact the new rule for head coaches

'I knew nothing.'

It's the same Sergeant Schultz line Jim Calhoun parroted when he faced sanctions over Connecticut's recruitment of Nate Miles; that Kelvin Sampson used while taking Indiana down on an epic fall; that Eddie Sutton used when the Emery envelope spilled piles of cash; that coaches have utilized since NCAA punishments began.

(In each case, interestingly, there was a stoic assistant who took the fall for the boss. Each school's own Julie Roe Lach, if you will.)

The NCAA now has taken away that defense for its head coaches, yet somehow it's still OK for the NCAA president who oversees and punishes said coaches."

[JonInMiddleGA]

Lost in all this (to me anyway) is what Miami did/didn't do. Honestly, I'm more interested in that than I am about how the NCAA investigates it.

If Miami fucked up then jam 'em. If the NCAA is planting evidence or whatever then jam them.

[dawgfan]

In fairness to Emmert, the analogy with college coaches isn't perfect: a new coach at a school generally is able to bring in all of the assistant coaches and football-specific support staff of his choice; in taking over a bureaucracy of the size of the NCAA, Emmert was not able to just fire everyone and hand pick all of his own folks. From what I've heard from folks that know Emmert from his time as UW President, he's been facing a lot of hurdles in working through clearing out dead wood and problem folks at the NCAA, and the process has been slow & painful.

That's not to fully exonerate Emmert, but just to point out that it's not the easy comparison O'Neil attempts to make.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Had a friend of mine come up to me today who is also a local politician. As it turns out, his brother has taken the position formerly held by Julie Roe Lach. Funny enough, he's also a KU law grad (which seems to be a reoccurring theme here). I told him I was a bit surprised that anyone would take that job at this point. He just chuckled and agreed.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wait a second. So you're telling me that the media reports were incorrect? Color me shocked.

Missouri's Haith faces less serious failure to monitor from NCAA - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21736182/missouris-haith-faces-less-serious-failure-to-monitor-from-ncaa)

The only thing more funny than the rush to judgment is the fact that Haith has been charged with failure to monitor. The NCAA has a lot of balls accusing anyone of a failure to monitor at this point. If this results in anything more than maybe a one game suspension, I'd be floored.

[Logan]

Wait a second. So you're telling me that the media reports were incorrect? Color me shocked.

Missouri's Haith faces less serious failure to monitor from NCAA - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/21736182/missouris-haith-faces-less-serious-failure-to-monitor-from-ncaa)

The only thing more funny than the rush to judgment is the fact that Haith has been charged with failure to monitor. The NCAA has a lot of balls accusing anyone of a failure to monitor at this point. If this results in anything more than maybe a one game suspension, I'd be floored.

Congratulations on hiring a coach that you described was guilty of only "some minor cheating". Real standard of excellence over there.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Congratulations on hiring a coach that you described was guilty of only "some minor cheating". Real standard of excellence over there.

Dude, we're in the SEC now. That's regarded as a clean program.

[Butter]

I'm pretty sure the entire NCAA is a sham organization created by some KU grads in order to make Missouri look bad.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm pretty sure the entire NCAA is a sham organization created by some KU grads in order to make Missouri look bad.

The NCAA wasn't created by KU grads. But judging from the current situation, the hiring of KU law grads brought the NCAA to an all new level........

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Figured this was just as good of a thread as any to post another NCAA WTF moment.......

Johnny Manziel Opens Massive Loophole in Paying Players Rule : Outkick The Coverage (http://outkickthecoverage.com/johnny-manziel-opens-massive-loophole-in-paying-players-rule.php)

[Logan]

Figured this was just as good of a thread as any to post another NCAA WTF moment.......

Johnny Manziel Opens Massive Loophole in Paying Players Rule : Outkick The Coverage (http://outkickthecoverage.com/johnny-manziel-opens-massive-loophole-in-paying-players-rule.php)

For instance, some articles have purported that the loophole that was exposed is so large that a car can be driven through it, questioning what would prevent boosters from intentionally infringing on Manziel’s trademark, being sued, and then settling out of court for hundreds of thousands of dollars. Well nothing really, except for possible violations of some federal criminal statutes (wire fraud? even perhaps racketeering?) and collusion in filing of a frivolous lawsuit. The NCAA would have a field day with that.

Johnny Football To Become Johnny Cash?: Protecting Manziel's Intellectual Property And Ability To Cash-In - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/darrenheitner/2013/02/26/johnny-football-to-become-johnny-cash-protecting-manziels-intellectual-property-and-ability-to-cash-in/)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like penalties have been handed out in the Miami case......

Saint Mary's Gaels penalized for recruiting violations - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9002827/saint-mary-gaels-penalized-recruiting-violations)

[kcchief19]

Saw a good metaphor regarding the St. Mary's penalties. The NCAA had a bad day at work (Miami) and went home and kicked the dog (St. Mary's).

What happened at Miami was a lot worse than was happening at St. Mary's. Anyone want to bet Miami doesn't get penalties much worse?

[Atocep]

St. Mary's got off easy considering they were paying for travel for foreign players to visit and it was something Randy Bennett had full knowledge of. The scholarship reductions hurt, but the rest of the penalties are minor. He could have easily been given a show cause penalty.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

The hits just keep on coming........

NCAA investigator Ameen Najjar wrote letter on Nevin Shapiro's behalf - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9024414/ncaa-investigator-ameen-najjar-wrote-letter-nevin-shapiro-behalf)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just keeps getting worse. Miami attorneys provide transcript showing that fired investigators lied during interviews to push for information.

Miami asserts more NCAA misconduct : Sports (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/miami-motion-asserts-more-ncaa-misconduct/article_c77726d6-66e3-5c81-a780-b7733db76fa3.html)

[molson]

That's a pretty standard interview technique. Unless there's some specific rule in the NCAA's agreement with the universities not to do that, I don't see the problem there.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That's a pretty standard interview technique. Unless there's some specific rule in the NCAA's agreement with the universities not to do that, I don't see the problem there.

Standard technique for cops or NCAA investigators? Seems a bit ridiculous at an organizational level, especially given that the employees have already been fired for improper conduct. If this was the only thing found, I might agree. Given the healthy level of skepticism towards the NCAA at this point, it's yet another log on the fire.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Katz weighs in on the investigative tactics.......

Frank Haith deserves to have name cleared from Miami mess -- men's college basketball - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/9133514/frank-haith-deserves-name-cleared-miami-mess-men-college-basketball)

[molson]

Standard technique for cops or NCAA investigators? Seems a bit ridiculous at an organizational level, especially given that the employees have already been fired for improper conduct. If this was the only thing found, I might agree. Given the healthy level of skepticism towards the NCAA at this point, it's yet another log on the fire.

Investigations of any kind. I haven't read the whole Miami letter to the NCAA, but I'd be curious as to what rule/law they cite (if any) as to why this type of questioning is "impermissible". I figure Miami just realizes that they have the NCAA on their heels, and public support for them is increasing, and public disdain for the NCAA is increasing, so they're just going for the jugular now.

[cartman]

Investigations of any kind. I haven't read the whole Miami letter to the NCAA, but I'd be curious as to what rule/law they cite (if any) as to why this type of questioning is "impermissible". I figure Miami just realizes that they have the NCAA on their heels, and public support for them is increasing, and public disdain for the NCAA is increasing, so they're just going for the jugular now.

Well, duh. It involves someone currently connected with the University of Missouri. Otherwise MBBF would have about 50 less posts in this thread.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Investigations of any kind. I haven't read the whole Miami letter to the NCAA, but I'd be curious as to what rule/law they cite (if any) as to why this type of questioning is "impermissible". I figure Miami just realizes that they have the NCAA on their heels, and public support for them is increasing, and public disdain for the NCAA is increasing, so they're just going for the jugular now.

I'm assuming you haven't read the article. It lays out the lawyer's argument pretty clearly.

With that said, public shaming of entities/executives has been a pretty effective method of late when it comes to the NCAA and its member institutions. There's a lot of hypocrisy to point out and use against them. I also don't think a ruling by the NCAA against Miami or its coaches is going to end it either. There's likely to be multiple lawsuits and it's not very likely that it ends well for the NCAA.

[molson]

I'm assuming you haven't read the article. It lays out the lawyer's argument pretty clearly.

With that said, public shaming of entities/executives has been a pretty effective method of late when it comes to the NCAA and its member institutions. There's a lot of hypocrisy to point out and use against them. I also don't think a ruling by the NCAA against Miami or its coaches is going to end it either. There's likely to be multiple lawsuits and it's not very likely that it ends well for the NCAA.

I did read the article (but not Miami's letter), and the only thing it says about that is "this investigative tactic is clearly contrary to the NCAA's principles, procedures, and expectations, and is further evidence of the enforcement staff's bad faith and unethical behavior in the Investigation", but it doesn't get into what NCAA procedures he's talking about (other than broadly labeling them "bedrock principles"). Basically, all he's saying is that lying is always bad, and therefore its against the rules. If the NCAA isn't allowed to use trickery in uncovering things, then they might as well not even bother. I guarantee you that Yahoo Sports guy who had the original story on all this didn't get all his information by just picking up a phone and asking direct questions to people.

Edit: I do think the NCAA should drop the Miami thing because it's just been hopelessly botched, and because its just taken too long. And Miami and others should get out of the NCAA because I don't think they have any intention of sincerely following the rules they agreed to follow - they just know that they're much smarter than the NCAA and will always be able to get away with it (which is true.)

[flounder]

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[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Emmert now receiving scrutiny from USA Today. Showing a pattern of passing the blame when things go wrong......

Digging into the past of NCAA President Mark Emmert (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/02/ncaa-president-emmert-previous-cases-uconn-lsu/2047607/)

[panerd]

Well, duh. It involves someone currently connected with the University of Missouri. Otherwise MBBF would have about 50 less posts in this thread.

Agree not sure why he thinks Haith didn't cheat. Its like the people around here in St. Louis that didn't think McGwire was dirty. On a semi-related note... Wasn't Haith pretty popular down in Austin? I thought he was the guy who landed a lot of your stars like Gibson, Aldridge, and Durant.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Agree not sure why he thinks Haith didn't cheat.

That's simply false. If you're going to make an argument, at least start by using a comment that has some basis in what I've said.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Forde weighs in on Emmert as well......

Attitude, organizational shortcomings make NCAA president Mark Emmert easy target at Final Four - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--ncaa-president-mark-emmert-becomes-final-four-pi%C3%B1ata-221627831.html)

[dawgfan]

Forde weighs in on Emmert as well......

Attitude, organizational shortcomings make NCAA president Mark Emmert easy target at Final Four - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--ncaa-president-mark-emmert-becomes-final-four-pi%C3%B1ata-221627831.html)
This is a well-written column that addresses the nuances & complexities of the situation - kudos to Forde.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Here's the OTL piece as well on the subject.........

OTL: Mark Emmert Under Scrutiny - ESPN Video - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9130547)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

What a mess. I feel sorry for Duncan. Just on the job and he's forced to defend the stupidity of others.

NCAA lashes back at Miami, citing personal attacks - Colleges - Boston.com (http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/2013/04/14/ncaa-lashes-back-miami-citing-personal-attacks/aT5ImS4FucXUH28toWG0mO/story.html)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Compliance expert 'shocked' by NCAA's attempted rebuttal of dismissal request.......

NCAA expert responds to enforcement staff argument in Miami investigation - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/um-hurricanes/sfl-ncaa-expert-responds-to-enforcement-staff-argument-in-miami-investigation-20130415,0,4513161.story)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wow. The hits just keep on coming. Haith's attorneys file a new lawsuit asking the court to investigate how NCAA was allowed to access his Bank of America personal account without receiving proper authorization from Haith or a court of law.

MU’s Haith Wants To Know How The NCAA Got His Bank Records (http://www.mrsec.com/2013/05/mus-haith-wants-to-know-how-the-ncaa-got-his-bank-records/)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like another big investigative article coming in the next few weeks from the Miami Herald related to the NCAA's handling of the Miami investigation. I've heard it will further cripple the investigation and may lead to additional firings.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Miami football player recants previous testimony citing 'intimidation tactics' of former NCAA investigator, now supports former Miami coach's version of events.

Miami's Dye: I felt 'intimidated' during original NCAA testimony - CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/dennis-dodd/22312211/miamis-dye-i-felt-intimidated-during-original-ncaa-testimony)

Also, Shapiro, who is NCAA's only real witness in Miami case, now admitting to perjury in previous court case.....

Convicted UM booster Shapiro says he lied on witness stand in federal trial - Miami-Dade - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/05/26/3417799/convicted-um-booster-shapiro-says.html)

[dawgfan]

Miami football player recants previous testimony citing 'intimidation tactics' of former NCAA investigator, now supports former Miami coach's version of events.

Miami's Dye: I felt 'intimidated' during original NCAA testimony - CBSSports (http://www.cbssports.com/general/blog/dennis-dodd/22312211/miamis-dye-i-felt-intimidated-during-original-ncaa-testimony)
Intimidated by the NCAA investigator, or intimidated by Miami alums/fans/coaches/administrators to recant his testimony?

Forgive me if I'm a little jaded about this sort of thing, but I'm not just going to accept point blank that he's telling the truth now.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Intimidated by the NCAA investigator, or intimidated by Miami alums/fans/coaches/administrators to recant his testimony?

Forgive me if I'm a little jaded about this sort of thing, but I'm not just going to accept point blank that he's telling the truth now.

I'd agree at some level. I don't think you can believe any of these idiots at this point, NCAA or Miami-related. They're both shady at best.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Did Mark Emmert miss his moment? - Men's College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/85566/did-mark-emmert-miss-his-moment)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Will be interesting to see if the records get unsealed in this case.......

NCAA pushing back on unsealing of documents in McNair/USC case - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/22514205/ncaa-pushing-back-on-unsealing-of-documents-in-mcnairusc-case)

[Eaglesfan27]

Will be interesting to see if the records get unsealed in this case.......

NCAA pushing back on unsealing of documents in McNair/USC case - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/22514205/ncaa-pushing-back-on-unsealing-of-documents-in-mcnairusc-case)

Very interesting.

[Eaglesfan27]

Oregon decision supposed to be announced Weds and early word is they are barely getting slapped on the wrist. No bowl ban and minimal scholarship loss is what is being reported. USC gets hammered for Bush getting paid to leave school early and Oregon gets caught paying for players to come there and they get off with a slap on the wrist. The NCAA is so corrupt.

[dawgfan]

Oregon decision supposed to be announced Weds and early word is they are barely getting slapped on the wrist. No bowl ban and minimal scholarship loss is what is being reported. USC gets hammered for Bush getting paid to leave school early and Oregon gets caught paying for players to come there and they get off with a slap on the wrist. The NCAA is so corrupt.
While nothing surprises when it comes to the NCAA, if these rumors are true, I have to wonder why the case ever went in front of the COI in the first place? A light slap on the wrist is what Oregon proposed to the NCAA, and if the NCAA was OK with that, why wouldn't they have just agreed to a summary disposition at that point? Why drag it out further for no good reason?

I'm skeptical of rumors that are out right now (I think we'll get more credible leaks late in the day), but if it turns out Oregon gets a light slap on the wrist, it just further erodes any trust in the NCAA. Because it will clearly illustrate that the merits of a case bear very little connection to the penalties imposed, and that politics play a huge role in the outcome.

[Eaglesfan27]

While nothing surprises when it comes to the NCAA, if these rumors are true, I have to wonder why the case ever went in front of the COI in the first place? A light slap on the wrist is what Oregon proposed to the NCAA, and if the NCAA was OK with that, why wouldn't they have just agreed to a summary disposition at that point? Why drag it out further for no good reason?

I'm skeptical of rumors that are out right now (I think we'll get more credible leaks late in the day), but if it turns out Oregon gets a light slap on the wrist, it just further erodes any trust in the NCAA. Because it will clearly illustrate that the merits of a case bear very little connection to the penalties imposed, and that politics play a huge role in the outcome.

I am slightly hopeful the early rumors are false but Uncle Phil has a lot of clout.

[dawgfan]

I am slightly hopeful the early rumors are false but Uncle Phil has a lot of clout.
I really don't think he does. Nike is a public company, and besides, Nike needs the NCAA more than the NCAA needs Nike.

[Lathum]

Oregon Ducks put on probation by NCAA, loses scholarship - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9424556/oregon-ducks-put-probation-ncaa-loses-scholarship)

Nike money goes a long way

[Chief Rum]

That's ridiculous.

As a UCLA fan, I was pretty jazzed about USC's sanctions, but the hit or miss punishments of the NCAA are starting to become much more trouble than they're worth.

Auburn gets nothing. Ohio State gets a slap on the wrist. Oregon gets a slap. We're still waiting on Miami (after multiple major investigation issues). Penn State gets hit hard for actions that technically don't fall under the purview of the NCAA (not that I disagree with those sanctions).

I can understand that the NCAA felt they needed to make a statement with USC after USC (or Mike Garrett really) was so arrogant in defying them, but this is stupid.

The NCAA comes off like a petulant and vindictive child who plays favorites.

[MrBug708]

The Nike giveth and the Nike demandeth

[JonInMiddleGA]

Not quite seeing the degree of angst angst over the sanctions here.

I mean, the penalties seem to be on the light side but then again, so does the infraction. From back in the spring "There is no information," the NCAA wrote in its report, "in the record that Lyles coerced or directed any prospect to ultimately choose Oregon."

Absent that, I'm not sure just how hard this could really have gone.

As for why this went to the COI in the first place, it seems to me that the reason might have been to get the show cause penalties on Kelly and an assistant.

[molson]

I mean, the penalties seem to be on the light side but then again, so does the infraction. From back in the spring "There is no information," the NCAA wrote in its report, "in the record that Lyles coerced or directed any prospect to ultimately choose Oregon."

Absent that, I'm not sure just how hard this could really have gone.



Ya, it seems like there's a disconnect between what everybody knows/believes schools do and what the NCAA actually manages to "find" in its investigations. I'm sure if these schools got punished for what they actually did most of them would have gotten the death penalty by now. But the NCAA doesn't really have the ability, power, competence, or willingness to actually make damning findings against schools. When they try, it doesn't go well.

[Logan]

I saw someone on Twitter (maybe McMurphy) who said the playbook is quite clearly now:

1) Cheat.
2) Comply with the NCAA after you get caught.
3) See #1.

[Eaglesfan27]

Nike money goes a long way.

[molson]

What's the Nike theory, specifically? Or are people just being vague? Doesn't the money from all of these programs "go a long way?" Is there anyone who doesn't believe that USC, Oregon, Miami, and the SEC directly and indirectly pay recruits and their families? And strong-arm the NCAA (through their money, power, and lawyers?)

[Logan]

What's the Nike theory, specifically?

I think it's like all the NBA conspiracy theories. Except here, it's a $55B company willing to stick its neck out on the line to protect a university's football program for a few years.

[JonInMiddleGA]

What's the Nike theory, specifically? Or are people just being vague? Doesn't the money from all of these programs "go a long way?" Is there anyone who doesn't believe that USC, Oregon, Miami, and the SEC directly and indirectly pay recruits and their families? And strong-arm the NCAA (through their money, power, and lawyers?)

At the risk of a possible sidetrack ... I believe there are definitely recruits getting straight-up paid in cash under the table at a large number of schools.

I do not believe that every scholarship football player is getting paid beyond the limit of the rules (a free pizza in his hometown once in a while not included)

[molson]

I think it's like all the NBA conspiracy theories. Except here, it's a $55B company willing to stick its neck out on the line to protect a university's football program for a few years.

Nike is so much bigger than Oregon i can't believe they would give two shits. Oregon obviously has more money because of Nike, and that is very beneficial in running a football program, but all these schools have lots of money.

[dawgfan]

Nike is so much bigger than Oregon i can't believe they would give two shits. Oregon obviously has more money because of Nike, and that is very beneficial in running a football program, but all these schools have lots of money.
This. The "Nike/Phil Knight bullying the NCAA" angle betrays a complete lack of understanding of business by those that push that interpretation. Phil Knight doesn't own Nike - he's Chairman of the Board of a publicly traded company. Nike makes a ton of money from their contracts with NCAA schools.

The idea that Phil Knight would threaten the NCAA over punishments to Oregon presumes that the Nike board would be OK with him being so cavalier about a hugely profitable portion of their business, and risk seeing that business go to Addidas and UnderArmour. While I'm sure Knight wields a lot of power with the board (and we all know shareholders are mostly sheeple), the bottom line wields more power, and such a move by Knight would likely be seen as dangerously reckless and he'd be booted.

[dawgfan]

Dola -

This slap on the wrist of Oregon isn't about Nike or Phil Knight, it's about how completely ineffectual the NCAA enforcement staff is. While they didn't have any direct proof of Lyles unduly steering his proteges to Oregon, anyone with an ounce of logic could understand the competitive advantages Oregon was getting by paying him a lot of money (since it's been demonstrated that they weren't actually paying him for scouting info).

But because the NCAA enforcement staff is gutted and the organization is dealing with the fallout from the botched investigations of Miami and the Shabazz/UCLA case, they punted on sticking their necks out in any way on this case.

[Kodos]

UNC faculty leader pushed rewrite of key report to keep NCAA away | UNC scandal | NewsObserver.com (http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/20/3044746/unc-faculty-leader-pushed-rewrite.html)

[Wolfpack]

UNC faculty leader pushed rewrite of key report to keep NCAA away | UNC scandal | NewsObserver.com (http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/20/3044746/unc-faculty-leader-pushed-rewrite.html)

And I believe the NCAA will get around to do anything about this in...oh...never.

In semi-related news: Marijuana, license charges dropped against UNC's Hairston | North Carolina | NewsObserver.com (http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/07/22/3047718/charges-dropped-against-hairston.html)

At least the NCAA will spend a few nanoseconds investigating the car rental with the convicted felon involved, but that should go quietly into the night at some point as well. Nothing to see here folks.

Meanwhile, I suspect State will be put on probation for this at some point.

[britrock88]

Earlier drafts of the faculty report said: “Although we may never know for certain, it was our impression from multiple interviews that the involvement of Deborah Crowder seems to have been that of an athletics supporter who was extremely close to personnel in Athletics, and who managed to use the system to help players by directing them to enroll in courses in the African and Afro-American Studies department that turned out to be aberrant or irregularly taught.”

The final version said: “Although we may never know for certain, it was our impression from multiple interviews that a department staff member managed to use the system to help players by directing them to enroll in courses in the African and Afro-American Studies Department that turned out to be aberrant or irregularly taught.”

Would you look at that cover-up. Keep up the good fight, N&O...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Good article.....

A year removed from Penn State decision, NCAA president Mark Emmert finds himself amid another defining moment - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/9500489/a-year-removed-penn-state-decision-ncaa-president-mark-emmert-finds-amid-another-defining-moment)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Hilarious.

August 9, 2013, 6:13 PM ET
Associated Press

INDIANAPOLIS -- The NCAA soon will be sending enforcement staff members back to school.

Interim enforcement chief Jonathan Duncan told The Associated Press it's part of a broader plan to give investigators a firsthand glimpse into what campus leaders contend with every day.

Duncan took over as the department head in March after an embarrassing scandal led to the ouster of Julie Roe Lach.

In five months, Duncan has devised a plan that includes more intensive staff training on NCAA rules, investigation and interview techniques, and the ever-changing world of campus life. He also plans to hire a director of quality control, a newly-created position that he hopes will help improve NCAA relations with school leaders in an attempt to help restore the department's tattered public image.

[miami_fan]

Are we really coming up on the two year anniversary of the start of this investigation? Two years?

[Izulde]

NCAA rules former Marine ineligible because he played rec league*football | SI Wire (http://tracking.si.com/2013/08/18/ncaa-marine-steven-rhodes-eligibility/?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp)

More grist for the anti-NCAA mill.

[cartman]

NCAA rules former Marine ineligible because he played rec league*football | SI Wire (http://tracking.si.com/2013/08/18/ncaa-marine-steven-rhodes-eligibility/?sct=hp_t2_a3&eref=sihp)

More grist for the anti-NCAA mill.

Reinstated, with full eligibility.

NCAA rules Marine Steven Rhodes can play immediately for Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9582824/ncaa-rules-marine-steven-rhodes-play-immediately-middle-tennessee-blue-raiders)