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henry296
09-12-2011, 09:13 PM
I was following live scoring on my CBS fantasy league and the gave Gostkowski the XP before I saw it on ESPN... so much for live TV.

Rizon
09-12-2011, 09:13 PM
The Dolphins are a flat out disgrace. I'm embarrassed to even be a fan anymore.

DaddyTorgo
09-12-2011, 09:13 PM
look at that - 511 yds passing for Brady - most in Patriots history, and most in MNF history

Mustang
09-12-2011, 09:14 PM
Henne would be deadly accurate if he had 9 ft tall receivers.

dubb93
09-12-2011, 09:15 PM
I was following live scoring on my CBS fantasy league and the gave Gostkowski the XP before I saw it on ESPN... so much for live TV.

Shit

DaddyTorgo
09-12-2011, 09:17 PM
If this is a Top 5 defense (as the announcers are trying to claim) the Pats could conceivably go undefeated again this year.

RainMaker
09-12-2011, 09:18 PM
With Childress out of the league, Sparano can have comfort in being the worst coach in the league.

sterlingice
09-12-2011, 09:20 PM
Brady to Welker just won me both of my leagues this week :D

SI

DaddyTorgo
09-12-2011, 09:21 PM
Yeah, but how much does Pryor weigh?

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Seriously...just busted a gut laughing. Well done.

Draft Dodger
09-12-2011, 09:21 PM
Ugh. Damn flukey interception. Nice pursuit by Branch to hold them from a TD though.

not that it matters now, but why wasn't this pass interference?

DaddyTorgo
09-12-2011, 09:24 PM
not that it matters now, but why wasn't this pass interference?

I dunno. Been some questionable calls throughout this game.

DaddyTorgo
09-12-2011, 09:28 PM
Gruden apologizes for swearing.

Brady trying to best Boomer's 522 yds

Doug5984
09-12-2011, 09:28 PM
hahaahaha they made him appologize for his inappropriate word.

I was offended. lol

Coffee Warlord
09-12-2011, 09:29 PM
Heh. I was looking up the single game passing records on wikipedia. And saw this.

Longest pass completion 99 by 11 players last by, Tom Brady the d-bagger 9-12-2011
(it's already been edited out)

Lathum
09-12-2011, 09:31 PM
n/m

Julio Riddols
09-12-2011, 09:41 PM
a 20 point night for Knowshon and I should win in all 7 of my fantasy leagues for week 1.

Rizon
09-12-2011, 09:41 PM
The only thing that takes the sting out of watching your team get crushed is having the Jokeland Faders to root against right after. Damn you Faders for making me a Dolphins fan. Damn you all.

bhlloy
09-12-2011, 09:52 PM
If this is a Top 5 defense (as the announcers are trying to claim) the Pats could conceivably go undefeated again this year.

Confucious he say you do not go undefeated giving up 400+ passing yards to Chad Henne.

Matthean
09-12-2011, 09:53 PM
It will be interesting to see how Manning's legacy grows based on the woes of the Colts and Brady's legacy grows based on what the Pats do this year.

dubb93
09-12-2011, 10:06 PM
a 20 point night for Knowshon and I should win in all 7 of my fantasy leagues for week 1.

As long as Moreno and Janikowski combine for less than 25 I start out 1-0.

cuervo72
09-12-2011, 10:16 PM
Gruden apologizes for swearing.

I thought that was Jaws, honestly.

SirFozzie
09-12-2011, 10:19 PM
The way this game is going with scraps after several plays.. they're going to have to book the rematch...

(Vince McMahon voice on)

Within the confines of a fifteen foot high steel cage!

(Vince McMahon voice off)

RendeR
09-12-2011, 10:23 PM
Confucious he say you do not go undefeated giving up 400+ passing yards to Chad Henne.



This post is full of Win.

cuervo72
09-12-2011, 10:27 PM
Are the Broncos wearing alts for the opener or have they switched to orange as their primary (I like the orange better)?

DaddyTorgo
09-12-2011, 10:31 PM
Confucious he say you do not go undefeated giving up 400+ passing yards to Chad Henne.

This very true. Passing defense was not up to what it needs to be.

larrymcg421
09-12-2011, 10:33 PM
Dallas has a boatload of talent around Romo. Bad Rex played that way with no offense and a horrible OC. Romo has played that way with quality WRs, a solid running game, and a defense that has been excellent in the front 7 and at least decent at DB (sometimes better). That Chicago D was pretty freaking good, but Bad Rex was able to avoid the mistakes for 2 playoff games that Romo has only avoided for 1 and Romo has had more chances.

Rex: 4 INT's in 4 postseason games.
Romo: 2 INT's in 4 postseason games.

And are you really giving Rex credit for a game where he was 11 for 26 for 144 yards? That win couldn't have anything to do with the defense forcing 4 turnovers and the running game piling up 196 yards.

Trent Dilfer is 5-1 in the postseason. Do you think he's better than Romo?

RendeR
09-12-2011, 10:45 PM
Trent Dilfer is 5-1 in the postseason. Do you think he's better than Romo?



Without question. By definition a QB that does not LOSE you games, is better than one that does, no matter the overall talent level of the QB.

larrymcg421
09-12-2011, 11:00 PM
Without question. By definition a QB that does not LOSE you games, is better than one that does, no matter the overall talent level of the QB.

Just because the TEAM didn't lose doesn't mean the QB didn't do things that added to the team's probability of losing. Dilfer did plenty to aid the losing cause. He just got bailed out by one of the best defenses in history. In his 5 wins, his defense allowed a total of 33 points. Romo's defenses have allowed 89 points in only 4 games.

It's weird that everyone seem to understand that Joe Morgan's "It's just as hard to win a game 8-7 as it is 1-0" comment is incredibly stupid in baseball, but people still make the same stupid arguments in football. Why the need to point to Wins and Losses, close your eyes, cover your ears, and pretend you can't see all the other evidence pointing to a QB's skill?

larrymcg421
09-12-2011, 11:05 PM
As I argued last year in the Superbowl thread, this kind of logic leads to the conclusion that Aaron Rodgers is not as good a QB if the Steelers had finished off that last drive and won the Superbowl. And he would've played the exact same game.

Crapshoot
09-12-2011, 11:07 PM
So, Janakowski - pretty good leg, eh?

Lathum
09-12-2011, 11:08 PM
wow, does that tie the record?

Crapshoot
09-12-2011, 11:08 PM
As I argued last year in the Superbowl thread, this kind of logic leads to the conclusion that Aaron Rodgers is not as good a QB if the Steelers had finished off that last drive and won the Superbowl. And he would've played the exact same game.

You're correct of course, but people don't want to logic - they want BS about guts and glory and "knowing how to win." Football is a sport full of Joe Morgan's. :D

RendeR
09-12-2011, 11:12 PM
Larry you seem to be missing the point. its not wether the team loses the game overall, its wether the QB CAUSES the team to lose games.


Look at the history Romo has. ANy big important game loss can be directly traced to some major mistake/error/cause produced by Romo.

Dilfer isn't a better QB than Romo talent wise, his arm probably isn't as strong or accurate, He isn't more athletic or anything else. Dilfer is still ahead because he didn't give games away to the other team when the opportunity came along. Romo has, repeatedly.

Dilfer and Romo both had/have great defenses supporting them. Romo has had far more talent on offense around HIM than Dilfer ever had and yet, Dilfer has a Ring, Romo hasn't been close enough to spit shine one.

RendeR
09-12-2011, 11:13 PM
Lots of records getting pwned tonight

RainMaker
09-12-2011, 11:14 PM
Dallas has a boatload of talent around Romo. Bad Rex played that way with no offense and a horrible OC. Romo has played that way with quality WRs, a solid running game, and a defense that has been excellent in the front 7 and at least decent at DB (sometimes better). That Chicago D was pretty freaking good, but Bad Rex was able to avoid the mistakes for 2 playoff games that Romo has only avoided for 1 and Romo has had more chances.
The Bears offense was bad through the air, but the could run the ball. Jones had over 1200 yards and Benson had 600 too. They had the best defense in the league when Harris was healthy and perhaps the greatest returner of all time taking back punts/kicks and setting up great field position.

Romo has had much better receivers in his time in Dallas, but he didn't have the all-around supporting cast that that Bears team had back in 2006.

Warhammer
09-12-2011, 11:22 PM
And let's not forget about Rex in 2006, there were some games he looked great. The problem was, when he was bad, he was dreadfully bad.

Mustang
09-12-2011, 11:29 PM
Lots of records getting pwned tonight

Lots of records getting pwned this first week.

Cobb tied a NFL record with his kickoff, Newton broke a record with his passing yards.. thought I saw that it was the first time that the Cowboys lost when up by 14+ points in the 4th quarter (they were something like 211-0-1)

larrymcg421
09-12-2011, 11:32 PM
Larry you seem to be missing the point. its not wether the team loses the game overall, its wether the QB CAUSES the team to lose games.

Look at the history Romo has. ANy big important game loss can be directly traced to some major mistake/error/cause produced by Romo.

Dilfer isn't a better QB than Romo talent wise, his arm probably isn't as strong or accurate, He isn't more athletic or anything else. Dilfer is still ahead because he didn't give games away to the other team when the opportunity came along. Romo has, repeatedly.

Dilfer and Romo both had/have great defenses supporting them. Romo has had far more talent on offense around HIM than Dilfer ever had and yet, Dilfer has a Ring, Romo hasn't been close enough to spit shine one.

You argue that Dilfer didn't give games away, but that's because when he made mistakes his defense was shutting the other team out. Dilfer could've fumbled a snap, but it wouldn't have mattered because his team would've been up 20-3 when it happened, not down 20-21.

And seriously, you're trying to put the Ravens and Cowboys defenses on the same level here, which is just a bunch of horseshit. If you can't even acknowledge that Dilfer's defenses were way better than Romo's, then you're just pretending to have a rational discussion.

RendeR
09-12-2011, 11:58 PM
And if you can't admit that Romo is a choke artist excuse for a QB then you're not being all too rational yourself. Dallas will not get anywhere with Romo at QB. As soon as the chips are all on the table he wets himself and throws or drops the ball to the other team.

Its tiring listening to the Romo apologists spout stats and regular seasons and everything else that he so good at, but when it comes down to it, in the NFL its all about getting TO the big games and WINNING those games. Romo hasn't, and won't because he's got glass nerves when it matters most.

Crapshoot
09-13-2011, 12:00 AM
Its tiring listening to facts and data. I HAVE MY ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE, AND THATS ALL I BELIEVE!

M GO BLUE!!!
09-13-2011, 12:04 AM
Romo sucks, but he's no Scott Mitchell.

A real debate may be who was worse, Mitchell or Harrington?

stevew
09-13-2011, 12:25 AM
77 yard punt....shit

stevew
09-13-2011, 12:26 AM
Dola, Lechler missed his calling as the US Goalkeeper

Suicane75
09-13-2011, 12:28 AM
There have been more flags in this game than at the Olympic opening ceremonies.

larrymcg421
09-13-2011, 12:39 AM
Facts and data are that Romo's QB performance drops tremendously in the 4th quarter and in the last month of the season.

As do Trent Dilfer's. His December numbers are way lower than anything else in his career.

Other QB's who have their worst numbers in December:

Brett Favre
John Elway
Troy Aikman
Steve Young

By the way, Tony Romo's last December was pretty damn good. He played terrific in three straight games, all of which the Cowboys won, clinching them the division. Going further back, his final 6 games of that season was a pretty amazing stretch.

RainMaker
09-13-2011, 12:44 AM
And let's not forget about Rex in 2006, there were some games he looked great. The problem was, when he was bad, he was dreadfully bad.
He was legitimately being batted around as an MVP candidate going into that Monday Night game in Arizona.

sterlingice
09-13-2011, 05:42 AM
I would expect most QBs to have their worst numbers in December- at least those that don't play in domes.

SI

JAG
09-13-2011, 06:32 AM
]That's a much bigger dropoff than any of the others mentioned. Romo's production takes a steep decline late in the season, much bigger than actual top tier QBs and even much bigger than someone like Dilfer. Most QBs see a slight drop in December, likely weather related as much as anything, yet Romo takes a much bigger drop. The stats and facts don't lie.

Did you forget this or did it not fit the conclusion you wanted to make?

By the way, Tony Romo's last December was pretty damn good. He played terrific in three straight games, all of which the Cowboys won, clinching them the division. Going further back, his final 6 games of that season was a pretty amazing stretch.

In his five December games in 2009 (the last December he played), Romo finished with 9 TDs and 2 INTs. His rating in those five games averaged roughly 104 and completion % averaged roughly 67%. Three of the teams he played were playoff-bound teams (maybe 4, can't recall if the Giants made it or not that year), including beating the 13-0 Saints in New Orleans. More? From wiki:

"Romo finished the 2009 season as the first quarterback in team history to take every snap for a full season. He also passed his own mark for single season passing yardage, with 4,483 yards, and became the first Cowboys quarterback to throw 20+ touchdowns and less than ten interceptions in a season. His eight 300 yard games was also a team record, surpassing his own record from 2007. His 1.6% interception percentage tied a team record, and his career interception percentage is now the lowest in franchise history.[22] (ed: bolding is mine)

The Dallas Cowboys became the NFC East division champions with their season finale shutout of the Philadelphia Eagles, the second division title in Romo's three full seasons as the starting quarterback.

Romo had a 104.9 passer rating in a 34-14 win of the Philadelphia Eagles in the first round of the playoffs, earning the first play-off win in 13 years for the Dallas Cowboys, and his own first career post-season win."

I'm not going to argue he hasn't lost games for his team, but you don't get to be #4 in All-Time Career Passer Rating at 95.5, #4 All-Time Yards Per Attempt at 8.1, and have the best INT rating in the history of a franchise with two HOF QBs without winning more than your fair share of games for the team as well. If you're going to argue about his lack of "clutchness", then you're just completely ignoring that he was brilliant at the end of the season the year before last and that he has won a bunch of games for Dallas without blowing it at the end of them...it's that his losses are more memorable than his victories.

tucker rocky
09-13-2011, 06:39 AM
Fuck. Koppen's on the cart. Shit shit.

Fucking Dansby fell on his leg.

At least fat albert(haynesworth) didn't fall on it, then it would be broke. :D

gstelmack
09-13-2011, 06:42 AM
not that it matters now, but why wasn't this pass interference?

The defender was blocked into him. If you look there is a Patriot trying to block early and shoved him into the receiver.

Ksyrup
09-13-2011, 07:56 AM
Suck for Luck Sweepstakes, baby! A couple more performances like that for the Broncos (so many penalties and mistakes, hard to believe Fox had them that ill-prepared) against Titans and Bengals, and the schedule will take care of the rest.

Suck for Luck!

Julio Riddols
09-13-2011, 08:21 AM
How does a John Fox team run the ball 13 times and throw it 51 times? The Broncos were never down enough to justify such a retarded gameplan.

miked
09-13-2011, 08:32 AM
I don't want to live in a world where we aspire to have our QBs play like Trent Dilfer.

Ksyrup
09-13-2011, 08:50 AM
How does a John Fox team run the ball 13 times and throw it 51 times? The Broncos were never down enough to justify such a retarded gameplan.

Apparently he's a big Andy Reid fan. In 2009, the Eagles threw the ball 46 times and ran it only 14 against the Raiders, who had the 30th best rush defense in the league going into the game. And... the Eagles lost. McNabb completed 22-46. Look familiar?

larrymcg421
09-13-2011, 08:53 AM
All kinds of inaccuracy here. Hopefully the list was just named off the top of your head and not actually made after looking at the numbers.

Let's look at QB rating, completion % and TD-INT ratio for December and the next worst month for each. It shows the significantly larger decline in production for Romo compared to the others.

Aikman:

Comp% 59.5 58.6
QBR 78 78.9
TD/INT 35-30 40-42

Aikman is essentially the same player in every month of his career.

Dilfer:

Comp% 50.3 55.6
QBR 56.5 62.8
TD/INT 19-29 20-38

Young:

Comp% 63 64.4
QBR 93.6 97.1
TD/INT 65-36 60-29

Really? This is "worse" in December? This is laughable.

Favre:

Comp% 60.9 61.9
QBR 82.2 84.6
TD/INT 116-88 139-93

Another one with a minimal, at most, dropoff.

Elway:

Comp% 55.9 56
QBR 73.5 79.5
TD/INT 64-68 63-44

You got one. His TD/INT dropped off badly in December. The rest of his game didn't.

Romo: December Next Lowest

Comp % 61.3 63.1
QBR 80.3 93.7
TD/INT 21-20 27-17

Fairly big shift in TD/INT and QB rating. That's a much bigger dropoff than any of the others mentioned. Romo's production takes a steep decline late in the season, much bigger than actual top tier QBs and even much bigger than someone like Dilfer. Most QBs see a slight drop in December, likely weather related as much as anything, yet Romo takes a much bigger drop. The stats and facts don't lie.

Romo has no business being mentioned among the great QBs.

Hey, thanks for pointing out that Romo has better December numbers than Elway, Aikman, and Dilfer. And his December number is only slightly behind Favre.

larrymcg421
09-13-2011, 08:57 AM
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Romo has no business being mentioned among the great QBs.

Also, a pretty big strawman you created here. No one is arguing that Romo is an all time great.

DaddyTorgo
09-13-2011, 09:02 AM
At least fat albert(haynesworth) didn't fall on it, then it would be broke. :D

Early word is it is broken. FML.

MikeVic
09-13-2011, 09:09 AM
Apparently he's a big Andy Reid fan. In 2009, the Eagles threw the ball 46 times and ran it only 14 against the Raiders, who had the 30th best rush defense in the league going into the game. And... the Eagles lost. McNabb completed 22-46. Look familiar?

I remember that game, it eliminated me from a costly suicide pool.

cuervo72
09-13-2011, 09:15 AM
Early word is it is broken. FML.

FML? You are PERSONALLY DOOMED because someone on your favorite team is injured?

Warhammer
09-13-2011, 09:17 AM
He was legitimately being batted around as an MVP candidate going into that Monday Night game in Arizona.

Yeah, he was looking great at times that season. I'm not sure if it was you or one of the other Chicago guys that said he never understood all the hate that Rex got there. To me, he was just another young QB that had some bumps along the way.

Julio Riddols
09-13-2011, 09:37 AM
Apparently he's a big Andy Reid fan. In 2009, the Eagles threw the ball 46 times and ran it only 14 against the Raiders, who had the 30th best rush defense in the league going into the game. And... the Eagles lost. McNabb completed 22-46. Look familiar?

Pretty interesting.

Lathum
09-13-2011, 09:43 AM
ESPN's new QB ranking has Brady as the third best QB of the week. Any credibility that new system may have had with me is now gone.

DaddyTorgo
09-13-2011, 09:48 AM
FML? You are PERSONALLY DOOMED because someone on your favorite team is injured?

Well...FTBL (Fuck Tom Brady's Life).

It's just an expression of frustration, you know that.

Logan
09-13-2011, 09:55 AM
FML? You are PERSONALLY DOOMED because someone on your favorite team is injured?

Hey there, come here often?

cuervo72
09-13-2011, 10:15 AM
Hey there, come here often?

You're right, I should know by now that DT would overreact to such things.

DaddyTorgo
09-13-2011, 10:28 AM
You're right, I should know by now that DT would overreact to such things.

Everyone would. Look at Lathum's reaction to the Giants injury troubles.

M GO BLUE!!!
09-13-2011, 10:34 AM
Too bad the Dolphins didn't make that Orton trade.

cuervo72
09-13-2011, 10:38 AM
Everyone would. Look at Lathum's reaction to the Giants injury troubles.

Well....Lathum.

Lathum
09-13-2011, 10:51 AM
how the hell did I get involved in this?

Lathum
09-13-2011, 10:57 AM
dola- and given the Giants have 6-7 starters out, many for the season, I don't think I over reacted at all.

Lathum
09-13-2011, 10:57 AM
Well....Lathum.

not really sure what this is supposed to mean

spleen1015
09-13-2011, 11:01 AM
I don't really want to split hairs over who gets emotional, but DT you can't say everyone.

Peyton Manning is likely out for the season and you don't see me and ColtsCrazy going nuts over it.

sterlingice
09-13-2011, 11:04 AM
ESPN's new QB ranking has Brady as the third best QB of the week. Any credibility that new system may have had with me is now gone.

2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2011/seasontype/2)

Actually 4th, if I'm reading this right. Or is this not the ESPN one?

How in the world does Ryan Fitzpatrick's get the nod as best for the week? In any system? Lots of TDs but so did Brady. He also had low yards, only the 8th best completion percentage, and it's not like his average was high or anything.

SI

Scoobz0202
09-13-2011, 11:05 AM
2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2011/seasontype/2)

Actually 4th, if I'm reading this right. Or is this not the ESPN one?

How in the world does Ryan Fitzpatrick's get the nod as best for the week? In any system? Lots of TDs but so did Brady. He also had low yards, only the 8th best completion percentage, and it's not like his average was high or anything.

SI

NFL - Week 1 Total QBR Leaders - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6943920/nfl-week-1-total-qbr-leaders)

spleen1015
09-13-2011, 11:09 AM
2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2011/seasontype/2)

Actually 4th, if I'm reading this right. Or is this not the ESPN one?

How in the world does Ryan Fitzpatrick's get the nod as best for the week? In any system? Lots of TDs but so did Brady. He also had low yards, only the 8th best completion percentage, and it's not like his average was high or anything.

SI

Brady threw an INT that resulted in a TD. That gets factored into ESPN's number.

Rizon
09-13-2011, 11:19 AM
2011 NFL Player Passing Stats - National Football League - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating/year/2011/seasontype/2)

Actually 4th, if I'm reading this right. Or is this not the ESPN one?

How in the world does Ryan Fitzpatrick's get the nod as best for the week? In any system? Lots of TDs but so did Brady. He also had low yards, only the 8th best completion percentage, and it's not like his average was high or anything.

SI

Brady threw an INT that resulted in a TD. That gets factored into ESPN's number.

Yeah, it's not entirely based on hard stats.

MikeVic
09-13-2011, 11:39 AM
Ok, am I crazy or didn't Matt Bryant on the Bucs kick a 63 or 64 yarder a couple years ago?

larrymcg421
09-13-2011, 11:40 AM
Ok, am I crazy or didn't Matt Bryant on the Bucs kick a 63 or 64 yarder a couple years ago?

It was a 62 yard game winner.

gstelmack
09-13-2011, 11:43 AM
Yeah, it's not entirely based on hard stats.

Heh. They penalize Brady for an offensive player blocking a defender into his intended target as the ball arrives, causing the ball to pop into the air, where a D-Lineman happens to be in position to catch it and rumble to the 10.

I get penalizing for the TD, but if you're going to be subjective you're really going to penalize Brady for a TD on a perfectly thrown ball?

johnnyshaka
09-13-2011, 11:44 AM
How in the world does Ryan Fitzpatrick's get the nod as best for the week? In any system? Lots of TDs but so did Brady. He also had low yards, only the 8th best completion percentage, and it's not like his average was high or anything.

SI

Without knowing the background on their stat, my guess is that efficiency is king and he amassed the most "good" outcomes (ie. TD passes) in the least number of attempts and did so with minimal "bad" outcomes (1 sack, no lost fumbles, and no picks).

Rizon
09-13-2011, 12:11 PM
Heh. They penalize Brady for an offensive player blocking a defender into his intended target as the ball arrives, causing the ball to pop into the air, where a D-Lineman happens to be in position to catch it and rumble to the 10.

I get penalizing for the TD, but if you're going to be subjective you're really going to penalize Brady for a TD on a perfectly thrown ball?

I take 0% stock in the formula because it's from ESPN.

DaddyTorgo
09-13-2011, 12:42 PM
Heh. They penalize Brady for an offensive player blocking a defender into his intended target as the ball arrives, causing the ball to pop into the air, where a D-Lineman happens to be in position to catch it and rumble to the 10.

I get penalizing for the TD, but if you're going to be subjective you're really going to penalize Brady for a TD on a perfectly thrown ball?

This.

What a laugher.

M GO BLUE!!!
09-13-2011, 12:55 PM
I take 0% stock in the formula because it's from ESPN.

But they have numerous articles on ESPN.com where it tells you how much better a barometer it is than the method that has been in place for years!

Rizon
09-13-2011, 01:14 PM
But they have numerous articles on ESPN.com where it tells you how much better a barometer it is than the method that has been in place for years!

Sweet, do I have to endure thousands of moving pictures and videos on my screen just to see it?? :D

Logan
09-13-2011, 01:38 PM
Heh. They penalize Brady for an offensive player blocking a defender into his intended target as the ball arrives, causing the ball to pop into the air, where a D-Lineman happens to be in position to catch it and rumble to the 10.

I get penalizing for the TD, but if you're going to be subjective you're really going to penalize Brady for a TD on a perfectly thrown ball?

I thought the point of ESPN's "look at every play" system was to be able to assign or remove blame on every QB play.

BillJasper
09-13-2011, 02:06 PM
I thought the point of ESPN's "look at every play" system was to be able to assign or remove blame on every QB play.

That's what I thought. I didn't think the interception was Brady's fault at all.

gstelmack
09-14-2011, 07:18 AM
Seeing the current Peter King photo on CNNSI (Luke McCown, Ryan Fitzpatrick show the right stuff under center - Peter King - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/09/13/mail/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t11_a2)) where the guy has a Cardinals' jersey in the Patriots' (or I guess maybe Texans') colors reminds me that someone should tell Tony Sparano that he coaches Miami, not the Patriots. I swear his shirt / sweater was the same blue color Belichick had on...

RomaGoth
09-14-2011, 10:55 PM
I didn't read any of this thread, just wanted to mention that I went to the Cardinals/Panthers game this past Sunday and Cam Newton looked incredible. Granted the Cards secondary looked liked a bunch of confused JV players, but Newton's decision making was top-notch and he made all the throws. I am still not a fan, but it will be interesting to see how he progresses this season.

Kevin Kolb, on the other hand, often looked bewildered and several times just threw the ball up for grabs when he was under pressure. His receivers didn't help him out much either aside from Heap, but that offensive line is awful. Fortunately for Kolb, as the weather cools they will open the roof and he can see more of that blue Arizona sky every time he is knocked on his ass.

Oh, and that stadium is immense, reminds me of the old Pontiac Silverdome. Just ridiculously large.

Thomkal
09-15-2011, 08:05 PM
Carolina leads 14-7 at the half. It could have just as easily been 21-7 Arizona, they are for the most part cutting through the Panther defense like butter, but giving it all away once they get in the red zone. Carolina got bailed out a bit on a roughing the passer penalty on what would have been Cam Newton's first INT, instead they end up with Newton to Steve Smith for his second TD.


well well the NFL has ruled that the roughing the passer penalty on Arizona's Marshall should not have been called, which meant it should have been an INT for the Cards.

NFL admits Marshall’s hit on Newton was legal | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/09/15/nfl-admits-marshalls-hit-on-newton-was-legal/)