NFL Regular Season Week 2 Thread

[albionmoonlight]

Bears at Saints. Before the season, I had figured that the Bears were the most likely candidate for "come crashing back down to Earth" status. A big win here after destroying the Falcons in Week 1 would put some serious egg on my face.

For the Saints, they need to show that the loss to Green Bay had a lot more to do with Green Bay and less to do with them. Even if Chicago and Green Bay are top-five teams, the Saints really cannot afford to start 0-2.

The other thing I'll be watching for is Buffalo's offense. Was that just a horrible KC team, or is Buffalo kinda for real? I must say, as someone who was coming of football age during the Jim Kelly years, there is something right about seeing a Buffalo offense that can score with anyone. With the Pats and Jets in that division, I don't know if there is really anywhere for Buffalo to go this season. But I'd love for them to become this year's feel-good story.

[Radii]

Obviously I expect Green Bay to destroy Carolina. Arizona made a lot of mistakes or they could have scored 40 pretty easily, Carolina's defense is truly awful and losing their best player in Beason will just make it worse. Aaron Rodgers will rip them apart.

But hell, who cares, expectations are non-existent this season, lets see how Cam looks against the Packers. I don't expect much, and don't really care. There's a number of games where Carolina maybe can compete if Newton plays well, Jacksonville in Week 3, etc. Not gonna worry about what might happen against the super bowl champs. A lot of Panther fans around here have gone completely delusional after that first game so I'll be looking forward to the local talk radio next Monday.

[Dr. Sak]

The Seahawks and Steelers will see a familiar official as the referee of that game.

[JediKooter]

Chargers secondary better not take any advice from the Dolphins secondary.

[Rizon]

Chargers secondary better not take any advice from the Dolphins secondary.

I'm going to start calling the Celebrifins secondary their "tertiary".

[JediKooter]

I'm going to start calling the Celebrifins secondary their "tertiary".

Is that as bad as the K/T boundary?

[Matthean]

Detroit host KC which with their injuries is bad timing for KC.

[albionmoonlight]

Also, the Colts are playing the Browns this week. If they lose big again, that means that the Manning-less Colts are probably the worst team in the NFL this season.

Which, if true, actually makes me think more of Manning. That's a team that made the playoffs year after year after year with him but that actually has 2-14 talent.

Also, it makes me think that the Colts front office is actually horrible. They made one great decision: Manning over Leaf. And that has covered up a decade of roster mis-management otherwise.

[albionmoonlight]

dola: But, if the Colts win, all of that I said probably goes away.

[Lathum]

Brown are 3 point road favorites after losing at home to the Bengals. Vegas seems to think the Colts are the worst team in football.

[Lathum]

dola- Giants get to show the whole country how banged up the defense is on Monday night. If we can't beat a young Rams team with no Jackson and a banged up Bradford we are in big trouble.

[spleen1015]

The Colts got their asses kicked in Week 1 in Houston last year, too.

We need to see a few more games before we say they're worse than the Browns or the Bengals or the Seahawks or the 49ers or the Patriots.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Also, the Colts are playing the Browns this week. If they lose big again, that means that the Manning-less Colts are probably the worst team in the NFL this season.

Which, if true, actually makes me think more of Manning. That's a team that made the playoffs year after year after year with him but that actually has 2-14 talent.

Also, it makes me think that the Colts front office is actually horrible. They made one great decision: Manning over Leaf. And that has covered up a decade of roster mis-management otherwise.

Can Manning win the MVP without playing a down? Because, he's probably worth 8 wins to that team. While other players, Brady and Rodgers, are also valuable, there is enough talent on those teams that without either of them, NE and GB are still 8-8 or 9-7 teams.

[BrianD]

Obviously I expect Green Bay to destroy Carolina. Arizona made a lot of mistakes or they could have scored 40 pretty easily, Carolina's defense is truly awful and losing their best player in Beason will just make it worse. Aaron Rodgers will rip them apart.

But hell, who cares, expectations are non-existent this season, lets see how Cam looks against the Packers. I don't expect much, and don't really care. There's a number of games where Carolina maybe can compete if Newton plays well, Jacksonville in Week 3, etc. Not gonna worry about what might happen against the super bowl champs. A lot of Panther fans around here have gone completely delusional after that first game so I'll be looking forward to the local talk radio next Monday.

This will be an interesting game to show how the Packer defense is. They didn't look very good against the Saints, but that is a tough offense to contain. GB also doesn't tend to play well against new QBs, so we'll see if one game provides enough of a scouting report on Newton. It wouldn't surprise me to see another shootout.

[Lathum]

The Colts got their asses kicked in Week 1 in Houston last year, too.

We need to see a few more games before we say they're worse than the Browns or the Bengals or the Seahawks or the 49ers or the Patriots.

That game last year was a 3 point lead at the half for the Texans. I'm all for optimism, but you can't compare the two games.

Also, for Vegas to put the Browns as the favorite in that game speaks volumes, they have millions at stake and rarely are wrong.

[spleen1015]

Let's just see what happens. I'm not ready to write them off yet.

They're not going to have 2 fumbles on their own 20 and pretty much give the other team 2 TDs every week.

The Texans had 1 drive that started on their side of the field that resulted in the TD. They had 3 decent drives all day.

The Texans didn't score in the 2nd half either. You could say that's because they didn't need to, etc. But who is the one team they would kick the shit out of if they could?

The Colts lost because of fumbles and punt return for a TD. Take those away and it is a different game.

[dubb93]

The truth of the matter is the Colt's defense is built to play with a lead and get after the QB. This worked great when Manning was around. You either had a lead or had Manning to dig your D out of trouble when you got down.

More likely than not the Colt's will have neither this year. They won't have a lead and they won't have Manning to dig the D out of trouble when they don't have a lead. I would love to be wrong, I am a Colts season ticket holder after all, but I think this year could be bad. Browns bad? Come on. I just don't see it.

[MacroGuru]

1-0 Buffalo (That's right, 1-0, even though it was against a shitty Chiefs team, Buffalo whipped on them) hosts the Raiders. Hopefully they play as well at home as they did in KC....

[Lathum]

Browns bad? Come on. I just don't see it.

Then why does Vegas have them as a 3 point road favorite?

[spleen1015]

Then why does Vegas have them as a 3 point road favorite?

I wish I was close to Vegas. I would drop $1000 on that.

Vegas has never been wrong right? Just like all of these experts saying the Colts are in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes?

I see 7 wins on their schedule, 8 if KC continues to be shit and 9 if Pittsburgh sucks since the game is here.

[RendeR]

Detroit host KC which with their injuries is bad timing for KC.



I am so glad I am not a Chief's QB this week......

[RendeR]

I wish I was close to Vegas. I would drop $1000 on that.

Vegas has never been wrong right? Just like all of these experts saying the Colts are in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes?

I see 7 wins on their schedule, 8 if KC continues to be shit and 9 if Pittsburgh sucks since the game is here.


Any team with an above average Defense is going to beat the colts this year. Collins is a fumble machine. Anyone with even a halfway decent pash rush is almost guaranteed a fumble or two in their favor.

The Browns Defense has an awesome front 4, they get after the QB, they shut down the run quite well. The colts can't run for shyte and if shyte goes away then Collins is in for a very long painful afternoon.

I wouldn't bet against the Defense in that situation.

[spleen1015]

I guess that's why they play the game! :D

You guys could be totally right. I hope you're not.

When they don't make the playoffs, hopefully they use their early 1st round pick to get a difference maker on Defense. They've needed a Clay Matthews type MLB to set the tone for a long time, someone that can make 1 on 1 plays.

[Lathum]

I wish I was close to Vegas. I would drop $1000 on that.

Vegas has never been wrong right? .

They are right a lot more than they are wrong.

It's how they build those million dollar casinos in the dessert.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Doesn't Vegas just set the lines to get equal play on both sides?

[Chubby]

Doesn't Vegas just set the lines to get equal play on both sides?

stop using facts

[Lathum]

Doesn't Vegas just set the lines to get equal play on both sides?

I'm not really sure what that has to do with the Browns being a 3 point favorite, not to mention home field is worth 3 extra points, so in the opinion of Vegas, the Browns are 6 points better than the Colts.

In order to get play on both sides you need an accurate line, Vegas typically sets lines close to their predicted outcome. It's how they make their money.

[Aylmar]

I'm not really sure what that has to do with the Browns being a 3 point favorite, not to mention home field is worth 3 extra points, so in the opinion of Vegas, the Browns are 6 points better than the Colts.

In order to get play on both sides you need an accurate line, Vegas typically sets lines close to their predicted outcome. It's how they make their money.

Isn't the ideal scenario an equal amount of bets on each side so I can pay the winners with the losers money and pocket all the juice? That's not really outcome based, is it?

[Lathum]

Isn't the ideal scenario an equal amount of bets on each side so I can pay the winners with the losers money and pocket all the juice? That's not really outcome based, is it?

But it's not like they just pick arbitrary numbers, they base the line using their expected outcome of the game. Anyone who bets sports can tell you they are accurate a large portion of the time.

[Draft Dodger]

I'm taking the Steelers in my survivor pool this week.

[dubb93]

I'm unsure of your endgame here Lathum. Would you like us to lay down and submit on behalf of the Colts? Book it 24-21 Browns?

I mean I can see your point. They really nailed the Chiefs as about a touchdown favorite in week 1. Clearly they are infallible. Right?

Personally I would rather just watch the game and draw conclusions after I see it.

[Lathum]

I agree, and clearly Vegas is wrong sometimes. My point was just that it was interesting the way Vegas set that line. TBH I couldn't care less one way or the other.

[Aylmar]

But it's not like they just pick arbitrary numbers, they base the line using their expected outcome of the game. Anyone who bets sports can tell you they are accurate a large portion of the time.

I bet sports, and I wouldn't necessarily call them "accurate" as far as predicting actual outcomes. How many games were dead on last week from a point spread standpoint? Anyone push? You can say they are close I suppose...but I wouldn't bet favorites all year banking on the idea that bookies know something I don't...

[johnnyshaka]

dola- Giants get to show the whole country how banged up the defense is on Monday night. If we can't beat a young Rams team with no Jackson and a banged up Bradford we are in big trouble.

Don't forget their top WR is out, too.

[Lathum]

Don't forget their top WR is out, too.

Looks more and more like he'll play. How effective he'll be is another story.

[DaddyTorgo]

Premiere of "A Football Life: Bill Belichick" is on NFLN right now. Mic'd up Bill and the hoodie for the 2009 season.

[Draft Dodger]

recording that and really looking forward to watching it

[ColtCrazy]

Also, the Colts are playing the Browns this week. If they lose big again, that means that the Manning-less Colts are probably the worst team in the NFL this season.

Which, if true, actually makes me think more of Manning. That's a team that made the playoffs year after year after year with him but that actually has 2-14 talent.

Also, it makes me think that the Colts front office is actually horrible. They made one great decision: Manning over Leaf. And that has covered up a decade of roster mis-management otherwise.

Half right on the drafting. They had 1st round picks of Wayne, Freeney, and Clark in consecutive years. He basically drafted well until about 2006 (for the way the Colts are built, I still think Addai was a solid pick). His best draft pick since then is Antoine Bethea and you could probably say Austin Collie was a great pick in the 4th. Otherwise? Nothing. We keep UDFAs and roster castoffs and somehow a lot of fans buy into this because of in Polian we trust. But, ever since the decision not to go for 16-0, I've questioned Polian. And don't get me started on Caldwell. Best case scenario is we do so bad that Caldwell gets fired, Manning comes back and starts grooming Luck.

[ColtCrazy]

Dola

And the Browns will win this game. No Brackett for the Colts. We have no one up the middle capable of tackling Hillis.

[spleen1015]

Premiere of "A Football Life: Bill Belichick" is on NFLN right now. Mic'd up Bill and the hoodie for the 2009 season.

Watched it. Loved it. Belichick is not who I thought he was. I loved his interaction with Derrick Mason.

[DaddyTorgo]

Watched it. Loved it. Belichick is not who I thought he was. I loved his interaction with Derrick Mason.

Not who you thought he was in what way?

Loved it too.

The Derrick Mason thing was interesting - I rewound and watched it again and I still couldn't tell if he was legit angry or if he found it amusing.

I thought his insights on Ed Reed were awesome to see (man, can you imagine if Beli had someone like him to coach?), as were Brady's, and the whole "two of them devising a play" thing was cool too.

I guess it's only a two-part thing? I wish it was more? Be cool if they did it week by week, instead of taking us through like half the season in a week.

[spleen1015]

Not who you thought he was in what way?

I guess I always thought he was a serious, angry guy who didn't have a sense of humor or anything like that.

At the beginning when he had the O-lineman try to catch a punt and if he did, the team had the night off, I never would have thought he would do something like that. I figured he would be serious all of the time.

Seeing him talk about his days with the Giants was cool and let you see a side of him that I don't think most people know is there.

[sabotai]

I'll be happy when this week is over so I can stop hearing about Michael Vick going back to Atlanta.

[Chubby]

I'll be happy when this week is over so I can stop hearing about Michael Vick going back to HOTlanta.

fixed lol

[jeff061]

I guess I always thought he was a serious, angry guy who didn't have a sense of humor or anything like that.

At the beginning when he had the O-lineman try to catch a punt and if he did, the team had the night off, I never would have thought he would do something like that. I figured he would be serious all of the time.

Seeing him talk about his days with the Giants was cool and let you see a side of him that I don't think most people know is there.

He's pretty simple, it's a zero sum game with him. He figures he has nothing to gain by sharing the inner workings of the team with the media, only something to lose if the other team finds out(however minor). So he just stonewalls everyone outside the locker room and that's what we see. The punt bit has been reported on quite a bit though.

I'm not surprised he let them put this together, think he respects NFL films and he wants to be remembered when he's long gone, but I am surprised he let them release it while he was still coaching the Pats.

[GrantDawg]

I'll be happy when this week is over so I can stop hearing about Michael Vick going back to Atlanta.


I am going to be happy when this week is over because I think my Birds are going to get brutalized by Philly's Birds.

[JonInMiddleGA]

If the Falcons only win one game all season (and after last week that seems plausible) I hope it's this one.

I don't think there's much chance of that happening mind you, but I can still wish for it.

[Suicane75]

How bout them Panthers?

[Matthean]

Cam 90 yards passing with a TD on the opening drive.

[Coffee Warlord]

I think Bennett just busted some of his ribs there.

[JAG]

In the one drive of Newton I saw, he looked really impressive and the Panthers took a 7-0 lead on GB.

[Radii]

Amazing first series, they even tried to shoot themselves in the foot with two straight illegal shift penalties, one of them wiping out a 20 yard TD pass but got it right back.

[JonInMiddleGA]

LOL, I see where the Colts have a 3-0 lead so I go check the drive summary (figuring the Browns must have turned it over deep or something) ... 10 plays, 67 yards, I'm like WTF? 33 yds rush/pass + 34 yds penalties. Suddenly it made sense.

[Radii]

Green Bay fumbles the kickoff, Carolina recovers!!!!

[Suicane75]

Packers fumble the ensuing kickoff and the Panthers recover.

[Matthean]

Packers down 10-0 on their offense has yet to take the field.

[Thomkal]

Cards have intercepted Grossman twice already-of course Grossman is throwing for a lot of yards against a shaky Cards defense too.

[Easy Mac]

Just got the red zone channel this year on Charter. As someone who doesn't have a team, it's a godsend.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wow. HORRIBLE roughing the passer call on a hit on Cutler. But I'll take it.

[thesloppy]

Jamaal Charles was carted off in DET, with a knee injury. It wasn't wrapped or splinted at all, for whatever that's worth.

[Thomkal]

Cards take advantage of it this time with a Kolb to TE Jeff King TD

[Thomkal]

Jamal Charles was carted off in DET, with a knee injury.

wow there went the Chiefs season

[Thomkal]

First one was all Rex, just a Romo like mistake near the end zone. Second one was a blatant pass interference by the Cards, not called, that led to the tipped pass and INT.

thanks don't have the game here so just going from comments on cards sbnation board and nfl.com

[DeToxRox]

Jamaal Charles season could be done. Hurt his knee going out of bounds. Had to be carted off the field.

[MJ4H]

Can someone hook me up with a stream of the Chiefs game. Rain and Dish Network don't mix.

[Coffee Warlord]

Tell you what, the refereeing has been AWFUL early on. Even I have to admit the Saints are getting jobbed here.

[sabotai]

Chi-NO game, if that was a QB getting hit as he went out of bounds, all of the officials on the field would have thrown every flag they have on them. But since it wasn't a QB, all's good.

[Coffee Warlord]

Now the refs are evening out the horrid decisions, magically spotting the ball a yard and a half further than it originally was.

[Lathum]

Jamaal Charles was carted off in DET, with a knee injury. It wasn't wrapped or splinted at all, for whatever that's worth.

and 5 million fantasy owners cried out in unison. Myself included

[Bearcat729]

The Browns make me sad

[bhlloy]

and 5 million fantasy owners cried out in unison. Myself included

Not the ones that have Dexter McCluster qualified at WR and RB :D

[Suicane75]

Newton and the Panthers driving again. I don't wanna say surreal but it's as surprising as all get out.

[Lathum]

Not the ones that have Dexter McCluster qualified at WR and RB :D

Heads off to check the waiver wire...

[BrianD]

and 5 million fantasy owners cried out in unison. Myself included

Me too.

[Radii]

Newton and the Panthers driving again. I don't wanna say surreal but it's as surprising as all get out.

penalty on first and goal, run backwards, and a poor throw into traffic bring things down to earth at least a little.... still, 13-0!!

[spleen1015]

Peyton Hillis is a beast. I don't remember seeing a guy punish the defense like he does.

[Coffee Warlord]

Brees with an 80 yard TD strike. Gorgeous pass.

[Radii]

Packers easily drive downfield for a TD, 13-7 carolina.

[PilotMan]

wTF is it with players and the "u cant c me" finger wave ala Cena?

[MrBug708]

Does anyone else not have the announcers feed in the Saints-Bears game?

[Ragone]

wow this jlo fiat commercial is amazingly bad.. does it imply that she is a terrible driver or what? i've seen it 6 times in a hour already....

[spleen1015]

wow this jlo fiat commercial is amazingly bad.. does it imply that she is a terrible driver or what? i've seen it 6 times in a hour already....

It has been the first commercial shown here for the last 9 commercial breaks in a row.

[spleen1015]

If they avoid mistakes, this game is an easy win for the Skins.

I hope you're right.

[Coffee Warlord]

Does anyone else not have the announcers feed in the Saints-Bears game?

Been fine here.

[MrBug708]

Been fine here.

Odd...I havent had the announcers for like 15 minutes. I have everythign else like crowd noise, refs, and the players noise.

[Danny]

Raiders looking good in regular season!!!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Man, I'm not sure that KC's season could start any worse. Two young players who were the big players on offense and defense both out in the first two games. Tack on the field results and we're already looking forward to the draft.

[Matthean]

Yardage is 246-832 in favor of DC, score is only 10-7 so far.

Wait...

KC is giving the Lions as much hell as possible. Too bad they don't have the bullets required.

I think the TB bandwagon is officially empty outside of the hardcore. Down 17-0 to the Vikes and Blount has 5 carries for 4 yards at half.

[stevew]

Not the ones that have Dexter McCluster qualified at WR and RB :D

Me too. I figured he was worth the bench slot, just so I can start 4 RBs

[mckerney]

Wait...

KC is giving the Lions as much hell as possible. Too bad they don't have the bullets required.

I think the TB bandwagon is officially empty outside of the hardcore. Down 17-0 to the Vikes and Blount has 5 carries for 4 yards at half.

The Vikings are capable of blowing things pretty quickly though.

If Adrian Peterson had a competent offensive line in front of him he'd probably run for 2000 yards. As it is right now a 5 yard run requires he break at least 3 tackles.

[larrymcg421]

If the Falcons only win one game all season (and after last week that seems plausible) I hope it's this one.

I don't think there's much chance of that happening mind you, but I can still wish for it.

I heartily endorse this post as it is one of the very few things where we are 100% in agreement.

[Thomkal]

Newton showing a bit more of his rookie self, 2 INT today, not good decisions on his part with both

[tucker rocky]

No challenge from GB?

[Jas_lov]

Good non challenge by GB. That was the stupid Calvin Johnson rule. Finley did not "complete" the catch.

[PilotMan]

Steelers finally look like a decent team.

[DaddyTorgo]

Jay Cutler - the gift that keeps on giving.

[stevew]

Mike Wallace is so good. He's going to get paid like crazy this offseason. I hope we exclusive tag him, as I think he is way too good to hit the open market.

[Coffee Warlord]

Jay Cutler - the gift that keeps on giving.

And they keep showing shots of him on the sideline. He's not a happy man right now, and rightfully so. Guy's taken another beating.

[henry296]

Mike Wallace is so good. He's going to get paid like crazy this offseason. I hope we exclusive tag him, as I think he is way too good to hit the open market.

He is a restricted free agent, so I would assume the Steelers qualifyiing offer will be the max so nobody will want to sign him and give up the picks.

[Suicane75]

Packers lack of red zone TD's are keeping Carolina in it.

[stevew]

I think the line of teams that would give up a first and third for him is roughly 31 teams long.

And that catch, wow. He's not Moss, but he's Moss-esque.

[Radii]

Carolina is fighting hard, limiting Green Bay to FGs the last two times, but they need to make something happen and soon to prevent this from getting out of hand.

[Thomkal]

3rd INT on the day for Newton after way overthrowing his target. The Panthers are barely running the ball, leaving it in Newton's hands and its not working as well as it did last week.

[Radii]

Carolina is fighting hard, limiting Green Bay to FGs the last two times, but they need to make something happen and soon to prevent this from getting out of hand.

oh well.

[Matthean]

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[Thomkal]

Cards finally decide to let Beanie Wells run the ball, and they take the lead against Washington-man this would be great if they could steal a win here given how poorly they played in 1st half.

[DaddyTorgo]

3rd INT on the day for Newton after way overthrowing his target. The Panthers are barely running the ball, leaving it in Newton's hands and its not working as well as it did last week.

Live the rookie QB, die by the rookie QB

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Ugh, this week's score may be just as bad as last week's result for the Chiefs.

[DaddyTorgo]

Seems to be a weekend of blowouts...

[Matthean]

Bills down 21-3 at half are up 24-21 on the Raiders.

[Thomkal]

missed it someone get hurt in the Packers game?

[sabotai]

The guy who is supposed to review all scoring plays must have taken a bathroom break in the NO-CHI game. Seemed pretty clear that Sproles stepped out at the one.

[cuervo72]

TOAST, Deangelo!

[Thomkal]

woohoo-Kolb hits Fitz for a 70 yard TD

[Matthean]

Would be smart for the Lions to pull Stafford. Up 41-3 and you have a QB who tends to get injured.

[Radii]

missed it someone get hurt in the Packers game?

Nick Collins. Jonathan Stewart jumped over two guys to make a first down, Collins was going in for the tackle as Stewart came down and drove his head into Stewart's thigh/butt or something, hopefully not bad but the one replay I saw definitely looked like it had neck injury/concussion potential.

[Fonzie]

missed it someone get hurt in the Packers game?

Nick Collins was carted off with an apparent head/neck injury. He was moving his hands, however. Hopefully just a stinger.

[Radii]

Newton just missed a wide freaking open Nannee in the end zone on 2nd down. They settle for another FG in the red zone (3rd of the day), 23-16 packers.

[hoopsguy]

It is unreal how much the Bears have targeted Forte in the passing game the first two weeks of the season. Probably an indictment of the wide receivers, but if he stays healthy he is going to pass the 500 receiving yards he had last season by Week 10.

[Coffee Warlord]

With Earl Bennett - the only thing they have resembling a reliable receiver - hurt, and Roy Williams out as well, Forte's pretty much who is has.

[mauchow]

Vikings blowing it two weeks in a row. Bucs in red zone down by three under two minutes to go. Lame.

[mauchow]

no timeout by vikes? genius

[mauchow]

now you get 20+ seconds less to work with. one step closer to andrew luck

[Chubby]

goooooooooooooooooo bills!

[Chubby]

Blount for his 2nd TD YEAH!

[Matthean]

You know it's bad when you get sympathy from somebody who watches the Lions. 48-3.

[DeToxRox]

Wouldn't mind some form of defensive TD to crack 50.

[Crapshoot]

Watching Raiders - Bills - McFadden is damn impressive. He just gained 15 yards on a pass that I thought he was going to be caught behind the line on.

[Radii]

Carolina has 4 turnovers and has come up short 3 times in the red zone today but somehow have a shot to tie Green Bay... if they can find a way to convert inthe red zone.. this is crazy!

[mckerney]

The Vikings are capable of blowing things pretty quickly though.

Yep.

[Coffee Warlord]

Good to see Frank False Start Omiyale living up to his name.

[Crapshoot]

Holy shit, Moore (raiders game) made one of the most amazing catches I've ever seen. 50 yard, old school Raiders deep ball with 2 DB's all over him- wow.

[Radii]

Hah and Newton looks terrible on 3rd and 4th down, alas! Expectatons are low, just keep making it exciting.

[DaddyTorgo]

Too bad - looked like Newton had the RB open short underneath for the first down but he elected to trust in his feet and got stopped.

Whoa...TD Raiders!

[Chubby]

last one with the ball wins bills/raiders

[Fonzie]

Jordy Nelson finally caught a ball, and it was shaped like a dagger.

[mckerney]

now you get 20+ seconds less to work with. one step closer to andrew luck

They're gonna be bad anyway, may as well be bad enough to take a run at Andrew Luck.

[Suicane75]

It'd be real nice if ESPN spent some money on upgrading their web site so the scores and updates aren't a friggin hour behind.

[Crapshoot]

Yeah ESPN's website is slammed right now on everything - baseball, football. Yahoo is up to date however.

[henry296]

It'd be real nice if ESPN spent some money on upgrading their web site so the scores and updates aren't a friggin hour behind.

That is why I swithced to CBS... much better.

[Thomkal]

Skins go ahead with a FG, Cards get the ball back with 1:45 on the clock

[Masked]

The bears offensive line isn't even trying anymore

[Coffee Warlord]

Do the Bears just hate Cutler? Poor guy is getting mauled.

[Thomkal]

It'd be real nice if ESPN spent some money on upgrading their web site so the scores and updates aren't a friggin hour behind.

NFL.Com is pretty good with updates too

[Fonzie]

Cam Newton is gonna be really, really good.

[Matthean]

It'd be real nice if ESPN spent some money on upgrading their web site so the scores and updates aren't a friggin hour behind.

I switched to SI.

[Thomkal]

Skins up 22-21 with 1:45 to go. 459-312 on yards, 27-16 on 1st downs, dominating everything except the scoreboard. Hope they don't find a way to blow this.

I do. :D

[hoopsguy]

Man, Bears blocking is sooo sad right now. Cutler has every reason to have a pouty face going, given the abuse he has taken in the 4th quarter today. Between the bad blocking, lack of wide receivers to throw to, and Martz trying to get him killed with the play-calling, I'll be interested in hearing if he snaps in post-game comments.

[Buccaneer]

It'd be real nice if ESPN spent some money on upgrading their web site so the scores and updates aren't a friggin hour behind.

Haven't been to ESPN in years for scores (or anything for that matter). CBS has always been better, cleaner and less full of crap.

[hoopsguy]

Also, looks like the Ravens spent too much time basking in the glory of last Sunday ... not a particularly good loss today @ Tennessee.

[Fonzie]

The Packers have now given up 400+ passing yards in each of their first two games. And they just lost Nick Collins to a possibly serious injury.

Yuck.

[Coffee Warlord]

Man, Bears blocking is sooo sad right now. Cutler has every reason to have a pouty face going, given the abuse he has taken in the 4th quarter today. Between the bad blocking, lack of wide receivers to throw to, and Martz trying to get him killed with the play-calling, I'll be interested in hearing if he snaps in post-game comments.

He's only on pace for 88 sacks this year. :)

That last series was just sad. All I could think when the Saints fumbled was, "man, if I was Cutler, I'd be pissed that I had to go back out there".

[Thomkal]

Chansi Stuckey may not be wearing a Cards jersey for very long after this game after fumbling the game away. *sigh*

[Chubby]

Nelson wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open for the Bills TD!

[Danny]

I spoke too soon, damn raiders

[Chubby]

Bills 2-0!

[Radii]

Once again Carolina loses by 7, but I'm thrilled both with cam newton's play and the defense fighting to stay in the game. Carolina had 4 turnovers and stalled repeatedly in the red zone yet had a legit chance to tie the game in the final minutes.

[stevew]

It'd be real nice if ESPN spent some money on upgrading their web site so the scores and updates aren't a friggin hour behind.

Agreed. Id pay a nominal amount of money for their fantasy stat thing to perform in real time. I'm sure they are leaving some money on the table.

[spleen1015]

Ok.

I concede that the Colts fucking suck without Peyton Manning.

[Danny]

I spoke too soon, damn raiders

Oh and screw CBS for switching away with 20 second left.

[Danny]

And screw the Raiders D, 35 points allowed in the second half. Offense played so well too

[tucker rocky]

Where's the Calvin Johnson ruling on that TD?

[Lathum]

Ok.

I concede that the Colts fucking suck without Peyton Manning.

yeah, I didn't wanna be a a dick and make a comment about it, but they are not very good.

[Jas_lov]

And the NFL continues to display that it doesn't enforce rules consistently. That Patriots TD should have been overturned per the Calvin Johnson rule of completing the catch.

[stevew]

Nope. Not after he controlled it to the ground and then the DB knocked it out after the play was over.

Edit for clarity: Definitely a TD

[tucker rocky]

And the NFL continues to display that it doesn't enforce rules consistently. That Patriots TD should have been overturned per the Calvin Johnson rule of completing the catch.

I guess the rule doesn't apply to the Patriots.

[DaddyTorgo]

Hernandez had much more control...landed on his back, rolled over and the ball was still. Only after that did the DB wrench it out.

I think there was a clear difference between the two plays.

[tucker rocky]

Nope. Not after he controlled it to the ground and then the DB knocked it out after the play was over.

Thought the player actually had to hand to the ref to be counted as play over, and a TD?

[jeff061]

I thought it was clearly a TD, but yeah the Calvin Johnson situation sprang to mind causing some second doubts.

In any case, I'm clearly biased :D. And on that note....

Brady last year and going into this year is playing bar none the best football of his career. Not even close. He's got pretty much everyone on the same page as him(except maybe Ocho) and he's consistently just dropping back and calmly hitting everyone he wants. Fun to watch.

[DaddyTorgo]

Defense sucks...grrr.

Hopefully they can gel and grow before the postseason.

[Thomkal]

Oh and screw CBS for switching away with 20 second left.

I dont know when the switchover happened, but CBS may have no choice there-they are required to leave a live game after a certain amount of time has gone by in the 4 pm games.

[Danny]

I dont know when the switchover happened, but CBS may have no choice there-they are required to leave a live game after a certain amount of time has gone by in the 4 pm games.

They don't, but screw them anyway

[Atocep]

The Dolphins are using 6 offensive lineman instead of using a TE right now.

I think the Bears should try using 7.

[stevew]

Hernandez had much more control...landed on his back, rolled over and the ball was still. Only after that did the DB wrench it out.

I think there was a clear difference between the two plays.

Rare agreement here. (Plus I own Hernandez)

[sabotai]

Not the same as the Calvin Johnson play. The receiver hit the ground and maintained possession. With Calvin Johnson, he dropped the ball as he hit the ground. On this play, the receiver slide for a second or two before the defender knocked the ball out. Sliding on the ground != falling to the ground.

[Danny]

Hernandez' catch was a TD.

[stevew]

Thought the player actually had to hand to the ref to be counted as play over, and a TD?

If he makes a standing catch in the endzone, then a DB smacks it out of his hands, it's still a TD.

[jeff061]

Pats defense disappointing so far this season, I was expecting a breakout year. Guess I should tone down my expectations.

[tucker rocky]

If he makes a standing catch in the endzone, then a DB smacks it out of his hands, it's still a TD.

Rules don't apply to the Patriots.
Even if Hernandez had 1 foot inbounds, it would still be a TD.

Patriots have their set of rules which they go by, and the NFL has a set for all the other teams.

[spleen1015]

yeah, I didn't wanna be a a dick and make a comment about it, but they are not very good.

No worries. You can comment on it and still not be a dick. :)

[Suicane75]

Dude, it was a touchdown.

[MacroGuru]

Royal goes down for the Broncos...>Tebow is the emergency WR...so now he is on..

[tucker rocky]

Dude, it was a touchdown.

Rules don't apply to the Patriots.

[Matthean]

Dez Bryant is out for the Cowboys so it's S.F. 7, Dallas 0.

[jeff061]

After that BS call I think you can stop trolling tucker.

[stevew]

Trolling rules don't apply to Tucker rocky.

[Matthean]

Smith, 10-13, 103 yards, 1 TD. S.F. up 14-0.

[DaddyTorgo]

GOAL LINE STAND!!!!!

WOOOO!!!!!

[stevew]

Tolbert scored there but the game was digitally altered to make him come up short.

[Crapshoot]

14-0 49ers against the Cowpokes so far. 49ers are without their top 2 receivers (Edwards, Crabtree)

[sabotai]

I love how DBs always look to the ref and signal incomplete pass, as if the refs are actually going to listen to them.

[Lathum]

haha, one of the funniest plays I have ever seen in the Cowboys game

[DaddyTorgo]

Looks like 85 spent some time with his playbook Bruschi.

He's gonna be fine.

[Crapshoot]

haha, one of the funniest plays I have ever seen in the Cowboys game

the helmet defense? :D

[Crapshoot]

What happened to Edwards? He had a catch early.

was talking to the trainers / is apparently out right now.

[Lathum]

the helmet defense? :D

yeah :D

[DaddyTorgo]

Ridley with a couple good carries there.

[Matthean]

Dallas gets Redskins, Detroit, Bye, @Pats, St. Louis, and then @Eagles. Not a schedule one would want for a team that could be 0-2.

[ColtCrazy]

2011 Colts, I'd like to introduce you to the 2008 Lions. You two may have a lot in common....

:banghead:


McCoy looked like an All-Pro, Hillis beat the snot out of the line (which actually wouldn't have surprised me had Manning played anyway) and Collins just looks old and rusty.

Winnable games left on the schedule. Chiefs? Bengals? Maybe one against the Jags? Might need to save up for that Luck jersey after all....

[DaddyTorgo]

I've missed Deion Branch...not sure if I mentioned that last year. He's like Brady's lil WR-binky.

TD GRONK! Took a lickin (a personal foul-able hit) and held on to the ball. Another 99yd TD drive.

[stevew]

Looks like 85 spent some time with his playbook Bruschi.

He's gonna be fine.

Ocho's biggest problem is that he won't necessarily be on the field enough. They look content to use Hernandez as a WR.

[kingfc22]

What happened to Edwards? He had a catch early.

Right leg injury. Questionable to return.

[jeff061]

How is that a personal foul against SD? A shoulder to the chest against a guy attempting to make a catch is a penalty if you do it to the Pats? That's a clean, hard football hit. Nothing to the head, no launching, not a defenseless position, just football.

Nanny enforcements suck and everyone gets hit with them. I see plays where WRs catch the ball because DBs are afraid to do more than 2 hand touch them.

[tucker rocky]

Miami comes away with no points again.

[MacroGuru]

Some of the routes I have seen Tebow run have been pretty clean.

[Galaril]

Tebow in as 3rd wide receiver now for Bronocs as Royal is out with a pulled groin.

[DaddyTorgo]

How is that a personal foul against SD? A shoulder to the chest against a guy attempting to make a catch is a penalty if you do it to the Pats? That's a clean, hard football hit. Nothing to the head, no launching, not a defenseless position, just football.

FWIW I agree with you on this. Fortunately it was just assessed on the kickoff, so is really no big deal in terms of field position.

[DaddyTorgo]

Jeez - almost halftime already?? This game is FLYING by.

[Matthean]

For as bad as Indy is, I still think Seattle wins the award for worst looking team. Tarvis Jackson had 12 yards rushing on 3 attempts and he was the leading rusher for them.

[DaddyTorgo]

Oooh - I'd give him a catch on that...yeah.

[tucker rocky]

Looks like SD got hosed on the non reviewed play, it looked like a catch.

[Scoobz0202]

Torn ACL for Jamal Charles per Adam Shefter

[DaddyTorgo]

Be big if the Pats could hold them to nothing or to a FG here and come out and put points on the board to start the 2nd half.

[DaddyTorgo]

Looks like SD got hosed on the non reviewed play, it looked like a catch.

Absolutely a catch.

[DaddyTorgo]

Torn ACL for Jamal Charles per Adam Shefter

Ouch!

[tucker rocky]

Torn ACL for Jamal Charles per Adam Shefter

Not like KC will need him anyway, 10 points scored on offense, 89 given up on defense.

[Sublime 2]

VINCE!!!!

[DaddyTorgo]

Go tubby go!!

[jeff061]

Lol, big Vince!

[kingfc22]

Wilfork to the "not quite the" house

[DaddyTorgo]

You could tell big dude really wanted the pick 6, but he just got tripped up. Darn.

[sabotai]

How is that a personal foul against SD? A shoulder to the chest against a guy attempting to make a catch is a penalty if you do it to the Pats? That's a clean, hard football hit. Nothing to the head, no launching, not a defenseless position, just football.

The endzone angle replay clearly showed he hit him helmet-to-helmet.

[DaddyTorgo]

Darn - guess that penalty takes them out of FG range, but ah well...still good.

[kingfc22]

What kind of defense was that SD?

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow. Branch LITERALLY jumped out with 1 second left. That was just absolutely PERFECT on those two passes to him. Wow. Textbook.

[jeff061]

Wow, what a way to close out the half.

[mckerney]

Wow, so it is actually possible to pass against San Diego.

[Radii]

absolutely embarrassing defense by san diego at the end there to give up 3 more points.

[tucker rocky]

A gift 3 points for the Pats, per a catch, not ruled a catch.

[DaddyTorgo]

A gift 3 points for the Pats, per a catch, not ruled a catch.

WTF are you talking about troll??

Yes, it was a catch, but it didn't end up mattering - they got the first down on the next play anyways.

Crawl back under your bridge.

[jeff061]

Christ, really? Do we really need to have someone fill in for the gap Sun Tzu left?

[DaddyTorgo]

Christ, really? Do we really need to have someone fill in for the gap Sun Tzu left?

The best part is that it doesn't even make sense - they still got the first down on the next play (or the play after that), so it didn't even end up mattering. Just sour grapes from a troll.

[sabotai]

The replays showed it nowhere near the helmet.

Yes, endzone angle replay showed the hit was helmet to helmet. Next time wait for the replays before running to the internet to cry about it.

[stevew]

Found the Tucker Rocky theme song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqcUlYTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[DaddyTorgo]

Found the Tucker Rocky theme song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvcJqcUlYTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

LMAO

[Lathum]

What happened to Romo?

[Danny]

Torn ACL for Jamal Charles per Adam Shefter

That sucks. I hate the chiefs (as a Raiders fan), but I never like to see a talented player like him go down with something like that.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I just signed a contract to play WR for the Broncos next week. I only got the call because "Raising Hope" got renewed, so Cloris Leachman was too busy.

[Danny]

The Patriots WR blocking is phenomenal.

Very fun team to watch, if their defense plays awful this season then Brady has a chance for some passing records.

[DaddyTorgo]

Now that hit on Brady should have been a personal foul.

Was just about to come say - how is that not a personal foul? I thought that was what the rule was designed to penalize?? And yet you didn't even see Tom get up making a motion like he wanted a PF. We must be missing something.

And the announcers aren't even saying it should have been...what are we missing? He wasn't blocked into him or anything...that's horrible.

[Pumpy Tudors]

OK, I don't want to hear any more shit about how the Patriots get preferential treatment from the referees. Tom Brady just got hit low in textbook penalty fashion, in exactly the way that the so-called "Tom Brady Rule" was designed to protect against, and no penalty was called. Good grief. Sometimes, the referees miss stuff, and every team has benefited or suffered from a mistake at some point. Can people grow up and stop pretending that some underhanded shit is going on?

[Apathetic Lurker]

I didnt think that the Chiefs would be in the running for the Luck Lottery

[tucker rocky]

Alex Smith with a timely INT.

[sabotai]

Can people grow up and stop pretending that some underhanded shit is going on?

No.

[DaddyTorgo]

OK, I don't want to hear any more shit about how the Patriots get preferential treatment from the referees. Tom Brady just got hit low in textbook penalty fashion, in exactly the way that the so-called "Tom Brady Rule" was designed to protect against, and no penalty was called. Good grief. Sometimes, the referees miss stuff, and every team has benefited or suffered from a mistake at some point. Can people grow up and stop pretending that some underhanded shit is going on?

Pumpy has fucking spoken people.

[Pumpy Tudors]

No.
Damn.

[tucker rocky]

Kitna with a TD, tied at 14.

[DeToxRox]

So Jordan Shipley's leg looked pretty fucking awful.

[rowech]

So Jordan Shipley's leg looked pretty fucking awful.

Indeed. It's unfortunate the Bengals really don't have a nice #2 WR to complement AJ Green. Everything I've seen from Green in the last two weeks tells me he's better than any WR the Bengals have ever had. Only time will tell of course.

[tucker rocky]

Miami finally cashed in for a TD in the redzone.