Official College Football thread - Week 4

[cartman]

This week's games kickoff on Thursday with North Carolina State playing Cincinnati.

There are several match ups of Top 25 teams on Saturday:

Oklahoma State at Texas A&M
LSU at West Virginia
Arkansas at Alabama
Florida State at Clemson

[Ksyrup]

Hell of a PAC-16/SEC matchup with Oklahoma State and Texas A&M.

FSU is in serious trouble for the Clemson game. Possibly no EJ Manuel, and even if he plays he won't be running, and also down 4 of our top 5 WRs. Great.

[Matthean]

Arkansas at Alabama

Only game that really matters to me this weekend.

The Brady Hoke bowl takes place with SD State visiting Michigan.

ND gets an intriguing Pitt team on the road. I have no idea who to go with there.

U of M is only mildly interesting, but that's only because Hoke coached there. I'm pretty well set with what Michigan is going to do this year, so I don't expect to learn anything by watching it.

ND will be fine if the TOs are in check. To me that's the only question for pretty much any of their games for the rest of the year.

[DeToxRox]

ND may throw for 500 on Pitt.

[dawgfan]

Cal at Washington should be a good battle.
I think there's about a 0.0001% chance a team other than Oregon or Stanford sit atop the Pac-12 North this year, so this game will go a long way towards determining the 3rd best team in the division.

Washington's offense has looked pretty good; the defense - yeah, not so much. I like that we're at home for this one since Cal has had some road issues of late, but strictly on paper the Bears would seem to have the upper hand. Should be a good game, and I'll feel a lot better about our bowl hopes this year if we can win this one.

[BishopMVP]

ND will be fine if the TOs are in check. To me that's the only question for pretty much any of their games for the rest of the year.Unless Luck gets injured, Stanford will be at best a toss-up. The rest (even USC) I do agree come down to ND not beating itself.

[Matthean]

Unless Luck gets injured, Stanford will be at best a toss-up. The rest (even USC) I do agree come down to ND not beating itself.

Yeah, Luck is a good enough QB to give that secondary fits, but at least it should be a decent game.

[Matthean]

Steve Spurrier says South Carolina Gamecocks not in serious trouble with NCAA - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6997096/steve-spurrier-says-south-carolina-gamecocks-not-serious-trouble-ncaa)

South Carolina gets its letter from the NCAA. Spurrier downplays it.

[johnnyshaka]

Boise St. likely rolls over Tulsa but saw this last night about Tulsa's QB, G.J. Kinne...wow.

E:60: E:60 G.J. Kinne - Back From The Dead (http://www.clicker.com/tv/e60/e-60-g-j-kinne-back-from-the-dead-2018385/)

[MacroGuru]

Wonder which BYU team shows tonight...if it's the one that rolled over and died against Utah last week....I might be a very drunk man tonight.

[MacroGuru]

1 INT = 1 Shot...I don't think we have had negative rushing yet....Heaps will get me drunk tonight...

[MrBug708]

UCLA v OSU

Woooo! Can't wait! If UCLA loses, see ya Ricky

[I. J. Reilly]

UCLA v OSU

Woooo! Can't wait! If UCLA loses, see ya Ricky

We get James Rodgers back, so maybe OSU has a shot. Of course it will be a RS Freshman making his first start throwing it to him. The UCLA secondary has been pretty bad so far though haven't they?

[MacroGuru]

Wohoo! First Kickoff Return for a TD since 1998...

And it also looks like UCG QB Godfrey hurt his arm..

[MacroGuru]

DOLA...

Backup QB's are our bane...

[MacroGuru]

Nice stop for our D...now we need to step up and move the offense down the field.

Heaps has his chance to change perception right now....

[MacroGuru]

TD BYU!

Their PR muffed a punt on their 20 which he had no business trying to get.

3 straight runs to punch it in and take the lead 24-17

[MacroGuru]

Game Over 24 - 17

BYU takes it with a big stand by our defense and some amazing plays by Special Teams.

Our offense still isn't there, I don't know if Heaps keeps the starting spot after this week.

[bronconick]

And now FSU might be missing Datko today on top of EJ and 4 wide receivers. They're not going to break 100 yards of offense.

[CU Tiger]

Fsu fans are in clemson in full force....apparently they left the decent onea in florida.....3 hours bwfore kickoff and i've seen 2 arrests and more foul mouths than a typical md game....with 2 young kids i am getting too old to tailgate...

[JonInMiddleGA]

GT finally takes a 10-7 lead over UNC, 59 yd pass Washington-to-Hill mid Q2
UGA making short work of Ole Miss, 10-0 late Q1

edit to add: Ole Miss had a nice opening drive to about the 35 but stalled out. Since then, 2x 3&outs for negative 10 yards
Meanwhile GT's defense has stiffened since giving up an early drive ... but Tevin just threw a pick & UNC is across midfield after the return

[JonInMiddleGA]

GT answers with a pick of their own. Deeeep drop wasn't enough to keep the pressure of the QB, he throws into quadruple coverage & a tipped ball is picked off.

[Matthean]

Looks like the Michigan coaching staff finally caved to starting to run a Robinson based offense. 5-8 for 35 yards. 11 for 139 yards and 3 TDs. Michigan is up 21-0 with 207 in yards rushing just before the half.

[Radii]

Lots of mistakes for Ga Tech but a 17-7 lead at the half with the ball to start the second half looks pretty solid. The defense has done really well after that first drive.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The defense has done really well after that first drive.

The pressure coming from the front is amazing so far.

[miked]

Turned down tickets to UNC-GT and it looks like a good game. Grrr. Must make sure to score Clemson-GT tickets.

[CU Tiger]

Turned down tickets to UNC-GT and it looks like a good game. Grrr. Must make sure to score Clemson-GT tickets.
Ill definitely be down there...id be up for a cold one if interested

[JonInMiddleGA]

Boy did the GT defense look bad, lost, and confused on that drive. Lead cut to 20-14 & the missed opportunities by the offense (2 FG's instead of TD's, a missed FG) start to look a lot bigger.

[Matthean]

Michigan gets a 30 yard run from it's 37, fumbles, recovers at it's own 7, drives down again to set up a FG, and still misses. The game has been rather sloppy in the 2nd half.

EDIT: I think SDSU turned it over in there and that's how it got to the 7. It's what I get for trying to get caught up via Game Cast. Another Michigan TO though.

[JonInMiddleGA]

GT answers with a TD drive, 2 pt PAT makes it 28-14

[Toddzilla]

Good god the Derps are getting a beatdown. 31-zip

[JonInMiddleGA]

Fucking GT defense turned back into the fucking GT defense. Tied at 28 with 7:22 left in regulation.

[JonInMiddleGA]

GT offense is still the offense, back up 35-28

[Matthean]

Michigan over 300 yards rushing. Robinson could break 200 himself. Michigan up 28-7. SDSU really not doing much considering the 4 Michigan TOs. Minnesota and @Northwestern is up next before traveling to MSU.

Disappointed to see ND down 12-7, but they were down -2 in TOs last I checked.

[tarcone]

Iowa seems to have woken up. 45-17 with about 5 minutes left.

[MizzouRah]

The night off to watch college football.. Mizzou - OU on FX tonight.

[tarcone]

Yeah. Im bummed its not on espn.

[JonInMiddleGA]

UGA now 1/4 on FGA. Still just 24-13 lead early Q4.

correction: middle Q4

[bhlloy]

Is Dave Wannsted still the coach in disguise in Pitt? Mega-shitty execution in the fourth quarter. ND very, very lucky to get out of there with a win and I still think they are the most overrated team in america.

[bhlloy]

A large part of coaching is recognizing the talent you have. Some of the playcalling on that last drive was inexcusable.

And yeah, Sunseri might be one of the dumbest QB's I've ever seen. But then why are you 3 and 5 step dropping him back on every single play when you have a screen game and an option run game that is working pretty well?

[Matthean]

Saban is getting better at being a gambler.

[GrantDawg]

GT offense is still the offense, back up 35-28


That offense is all that and bag of chips, isn't it? Funny how GT loses all the big "name" players of the offense side, and now are a much better team. Keep it up, and people are going to start paying attention.

Now, let's root those Razorbacks on to do the impossible.

[GrantDawg]

That offense is all that and bag of chips, isn't it? Funny how GT loses all the big "name" players of the offense side, and now are a much better team. Keep it up, and people are going to start paying attention.

Now, let's root those Razorbacks on to do the impossible.


And all I had to do was post that, and the R-backs throw a pick 6. *sigh*

[MJ4H]

more like mega-sigh.

[JonInMiddleGA]

That offense is all that and bag of chips, isn't it? Funny how GT loses all the big "name" players of the offense side, and now are a much better team. Keep it up, and people are going to start paying attention.


Today looked like a good example of how it's supposed to work, except at the times it didn't (if that makes any sense). Having to settle for 3 FGA's & the 2nd half problems for the defense made that a lot more interesting than it had to be. Tevin has certainly been a revelation at QB though, the threat of a forward pass makes the offense a lot more effective.

[MJ4H]

Don't think we've done one single thing right since the touchdown other than capitalizing on Bama wetting the bed on the goal line. Will be lucky to stay within 10 at half now.

[larrymcg421]

Hai my name is Jacory. I thro to ur teem, k?

[GrantDawg]

Today looked like a good example of how it's supposed to work, except at the times it didn't (if that makes any sense). Having to settle for 3 FGA's & the 2nd half problems for the defense made that a lot more interesting than it had to be. Tevin has certainly been a revelation at QB though, the threat of a forward pass makes the offense a lot more effective.


No doubt. Plus not putting the ball on the ground is big.

[Matthean]

Don't think we've done one single thing right since the touchdown other than capitalizing on Bama wetting the bed on the goal line. Will be lucky to stay within 10 at half now.

I thought McCarron got in, but I don't think it was a huge error on the call. McCarron should have done a better job in getting it over.

I think Arkansas proved that unless 'Bama has a break down in D, they are going to have to score via a long methodical drive much like the first. 'Bama simply isn't giving them big plays.

[miked]

RU looked shaky at times, but forced 4 turnovers and won 38-26. Sanu with another monster game...I think 16 receptions for 170+ yards. The rest of the team combined for about 7.

[Big Fo]

Wow, what an awful start to the second half for Clemson. That was bizarre.

Boyd was slipping and tried to throw the ball away, but it came loose and went practically straight up in the air. The ball was intercepted and returned for a touchdown.

Clemson 21 - 16 FSU, PAT pending.

[CU Tiger]

Looked like the knee was down from my view...but oh well

[Matthean]

'Bama just rolling now. 31-7.

[cuervo72]

If they won't take Villanova, maybe Temple should apply to the ACC.

[MJ4H]

Finally have a pulse again. Sigh.

[GrantDawg]

FSU fighting back. Now down by 5.

[larrymcg421]

Miami finally woke up and now leads 24-21.

[MrBug708]

heh...UCLA is in first place in the PAC-12

[Lathum]

LOL at Justin Blackmon

[tarcone]

Is it my computer or is it ESPN3? But the "Press ESC to exit full screen mode" message isnt going away. This is the 1st time its happened this year. Anyone else getting this?

[Matthean]

Will be interesting to see how Wisconsin does after blitzing through 4 cupcake games and then getting Nebraska.

[PilotMan]

If Jones somehow loses to Rampage 205 is going to be an even more wide open mess than it already is.

[flounder]

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[MizzouRah]

Yeah. Im bummed its not on espn.

I was shocked it was on FX myself.

[MJ4H]

I think Stephen Garcia is drunk.

[bronconick]

Raise your hand if you're a hot-shot defensive coordinator that thinks he's done enough to parlay his work into a head coaching job this offseason.

...Put your hand down, Mark Stoops.

[Eaglesfan27]

heh...UCLA is in first place in the PAC-12

How do you figure?

[MrBug708]

How do you figure?

You know exactly what I meant, don't be obtuse.

[MrBug708]

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One of the better catches this year

[Eaglesfan27]

You know exactly what I meant, don't be obtuse.

USC going to make the PAC-12 send their second best team to the championship this year. Here is to Rick doing just enough to ensure a few more years at ucla.

[MrBug708]

USC going to make the PAC-12 send their second best team to the championship this year. Here is to Rick doing just enough to ensure a few more years at ucla.

I don't know what this means?

[JPhillips]

Ohio State's quarterbacks are awful. I don't think there's much Fickell could do to become the permanent coach, but he'll be lucky to go .500 in conference play with Miller/Bauserman.

[I. J. Reilly]

heh...UCLA is in first place in the PAC-12

Congrats on the win, but man this OSU team looks like shit. This may be a turn back the clock season for the Beavs, back to the early ninety's when the over under was two wins.

[Matthean]

Ohio State's quarterbacks are awful. I don't think there's much Fickell could do to become the permanent coach, but he'll be lucky to go .500 in conference play with Miller/Bauserman.

Next week will be interesting since MSU got beat my the only team they have played with a pulse. Plus, OSU gets their guys back after it.

[Atocep]

LSU's defense is ridiculous, but Geno already has missed more open receivers in this game than I've probably ever seen him miss in any game.

This is the best defense I can remember seeing at Mountaineer Field though.

[tarcone]

Those Unis are yellow :crazy:

[Tigercat]

LSU D isn't playing its best game either. Not doing a great job of getting off of blocks when there is good coverage, and Mo Claiborne is having probably the worst game of his LSU career. (I think he is mentally rattled out there, you can see it in the pushing match he got flagged on and his interactions with the coaches. If he gets his mind right tonight, he should be fine.)

[bronconick]

West Virginia just shot their own dicks off just before halftime.

[Tigercat]

Tyrann Mathieu is the most instinctive football player I have ever seen. Ever. I am talking on tape of NFL greats included.

We are talking a 5'8.1/2" 175 pound 4.6 40 CB who is the biggest defensive playmaker in college football as a true Sophmore. Only because the man plays like he has a brain genetically engineered to play football.

[Matthean]

Miss. State must be walking through the emotions because they are tied 20-20 to LTU while playing at home.

[MizzouRah]

Good start, horrible rest of the first half.

Franklin is NOT a running back, I absolutely hate that fucking play where he gets the snap and runs it up the middle.. Brad Smith he is NOT.

[cschex]

Agreed completely on Mathieu. Patrick Peterson was the most naturally talnted player at LSU I've ever seen but Mathieu is the better playmaker. And to think a bunch of Tiger fans were pissed when he was offered a scholly because his best other offer was from ULaLA

[panerd]

Good start, horrible rest of the first half.

Franklin is NOT a running back, I absolutely hate that fucking play where he gets the snap and runs it up the middle.. Brad Smith he is NOT.

I think Josey is something special. Really hope they go back to using him more. He opens up the passing game and also gets 5-6 yards a carry. I agree they need to quit with the Franklin shit.

[MizzouRah]

I think Josey is something special. Really hope they go back to using him more. He opens up the passing game and also gets 5-6 yards a carry. I agree they need to quit with the Franklin shit.

Josey would be my starting RB not matter who comes back from injury.. they definitely need to use him more.

Broyles is a beast though, should be a high draft pick.

We need a score right off the bat in the 2nd half!

[Julio Riddols]

Had to go watch some highlights on this Mathieu guy. Wow. If he isn't the first DB picked in his draft class, I don't know what scouts are looking for.

[Tigercat]

Well I think the NFL arguement against Mathieu is that he will probably grade out physically below ideal in every way, except acceleration/agility. That being said, even if you think his physical talent makes for a lower ceiling, the instinct level also makes him a very low bust risk. Hard to imagine him being passed up on at the end of the 1st when it is so easy for CBs to become draft busts.

[Izulde]

10-10 tie at half. Should've scored at least 21 but stupid penalties galore and two herring tos have kept it close

[panerd]

So, does this count as a loss for every conference if Mizzou loses?

The Big 12 seems pretty solid so far... winning all their meaningless games, winning every battle of mid conference vs mid conference, and beating TCU, Fla St, Iowa, UConn, Miami, BYU with only a loss to Arizona State and G-Tech (vs KU... worst team in conference). Why wouldn't Mizzou stick with the best college football conference?

[cuervo72]

So, does this count as a loss for every conference if Mizzou loses?

Very versatile for the networks, they can advertise their games as being a conference game for whatever conference they wish. Mizzou/Western Illinois was ESPN's ACC game of the week.

[cuervo72]

I don't know what this means?

That USC - despite sanctions that exclude them from the postseason - is the best team in the PAC-12 South?

[Matthean]

LSU's pass defense decide to take the rest of the night off?

[Izulde]

Another pick six wtf down 10-16

[Julio Riddols]

Well I think the NFL arguement against Mathieu is that he will probably grade out physically below ideal in every way, except acceleration/agility. That being said, even if you think his physical talent makes for a lower ceiling, the instinct level also makes him a very low bust risk. Hard to imagine him being passed up on at the end of the 1st when it is so easy for CBs to become draft busts.

Yeah, they'll claim his size is not ideal, but there is no way in hell I wouldn't take him number 1 and just let him be my lil' Polamalu. In a league that is becoming a passers paradise, a DB like this who you have to constantly be aware of is one of the best things you can hope to have going for you, size be damned.

[Izulde]

Almost threw a third pick six. Pull herring please

[Tigercat]

LSU's pass defense decide to take the rest of the night off?

This type of offense with a QB that can make the kind of throws Smith can make, you are going to give up your share of yards and completions. LSU's biggest issue has been, when the DBs do have good coverage, they haven't been able to get any pressure. WVU is pass blocking very well, and the DL is doing a poor job of getting off their blocks. (Or even really pushing back their blockers.)

[Julio Riddols]

I am excited to watch Baylor when they get into the heart of their schedule. Griffin III is fun to watch.

[Izulde]

10-24. Nice to know last week was a fucking bullshit cocktease

[Atocep]

This type of offense with a QB that can make the kind of throws Smith can make, you are going to give up your share of yards and completions. LSU's biggest issue has been, when the DBs do have good coverage, they haven't been able to get any pressure. WVU is pass blocking very well, and the DL is doing a poor job of getting off their blocks. (Or even really pushing back their blockers.)

Which is nice to see from the O-Line. It was downright awful for the better part of the first two games this year and was a major factor in the loss in Baton Rouge last year.

I don't think many people outside of the Big East realize how good Geno is either.

[MizzouRah]

Hey, see what happens when you use Josey!

[cschex]

Have to say, Geno Smith has improved a ton since I saw them play LSU last year. I'm really glad we just scored that last touchdown. With this offense, I dont know if WVU will drop another game on their schedule (barring a comeback tonight).

[MizzouRah]

I guess holding isn't called anymore.. whatever..

[tarcone]

LSU/Alabama is going to be a heck of a game.

[kcchief19]

So, does this count as a loss for every conference if Mizzou loses?
Yes, it does. Thanks for asking.

[Matthean]

LSU/Alabama is going to be a heck of a game.

I still want to see a quality team play LSU that doesn't turn the ball over 4 times.

[cschex]

I still want to see a quality team play LSU that doesn't turn the ball over 4 times.

You realize LSU is actually causing those turnovers, right? Don't let your pro-Bama slant color your percaption too much.

[Tigercat]

I'd like to see Ed Reed help win some games without teams turning the ball over to him.

[MrBug708]

That USC - despite sanctions that exclude them from the postseason - is the best team in the PAC-12 South?

He didn't mention anything about the south, which confused me as nobody thinks USC is the second best team in the PAC-12. But it really wont matter who goes from the south because Stanford/Oregon will win whoever shows up.

USC fans got a little too sure of themselves after beating the powerhouses of Syracuse and Minnesota

[Matthean]

You realize LSU is actually causing those turnovers, right? Don't let your pro-Bama slant color your percaption too much.

I should have put an over/under on when this kind of post would happen, but I figured it would likely be soon enough. It doesn't need to be 'Bama. I just don't think they are going to be getting that type of turnover advantage every big game and it will be interesting to see what happens when the turnovers are even. LSU can obviously be thrown on. I think 'Bama can be ran against so teams like LSU and SC will give them issues.

[cschex]

We'll agree to disagree. That's the best passing offense LSU will face all year with the possible exception of Arkansas. Do I think they are unbeatable? Absolutely not. I personally think they'll lose the Bama game. However, to make that comment about the turnovers is deliberately making it sound like LSU is just being handed the games by their opponents, which is absolutely not the case.

[Izulde]

Once it got to be Southern Utah 41 UNLV 10 I payed up at the bar and left. Told the tender I couldn't watch it anymore.

Just horrible. Golden opportunity to go 2-2 and we piss it all away. Now Nevada probably rapes us in two weeks and it's another season in the shitter.

[Tigercat]

I personally think they'll lose the Bama game.

I would favor Bama over LSU on a neutral field right now. Not because Bama is better, I actually think LSU is the most complete team in the country right now anda bit better than Bama. I just think Bama is a bad matchup for LSU.

450 yards in the air on the road to the modern equivalent of a run and shoot team playing behind all game? Doen't mean LSU's pass defense is vulnerable overall. In fact, I would be shocked if in the long term it isn't LSU's defense against power run teams that proves to be the real weakness. That weakness is of course Alabama's strength. LSU is light at DE and LB, and apart from TM has CBs that aren't great tacklers. I am much more worried about Bama's power runs than against a team like Arkansas and their ability to emulate WVU.

[MrBug708]

Matt Barkley will always be an INT machine

[Young Drachma]

As expected, Nebraska dispatched Wyoming in Laramie. But hey...the money those Husker fans spent might make the drubbing worth it. Heh.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just saw those OkSt uniforms. WTF? Since when is primer a hot jersey color?

[Mike1409]

Just saw those OkSt uniforms. WTF? Since when is primer a hot jersey color?

They looked like someone sent them some faded Buccaneer jerseys.

[Butter]

Did it say Braxton Miller was 4-13? Jesus Christ.

On the plus side for me, Clemson is 4-0! But they have Va. Tech next week, a team they haven't beaten since the '80's. Might as well make it 3 unlikely wins in a row, eh?

[Lathum]

Matt Barkley will always be an INT machine

I just don't see the NFL hype for him, to me he looks like an average college QB who at times shows flashes of brilliance. Not to mention he has tons of talent around him, including a can't miss left tackle and all pro WR.

[SnDvls]

USC going to make the PAC-12 send their second best team to the championship this year. Here is to Rick doing just enough to ensure a few more years at ucla.

U$C has bigger problems like coaching. Worry about that we'll take care of the South Division

[Eaglesfan27]

U$C has bigger problems like coaching. Worry about that we'll take care of the South Division

Yeah, that was an embarassing loss and USC was out coached.

[cartman]

I am excited to watch Baylor when they get into the heart of their schedule. Griffin III is fun to watch.

Amazing stat of the week:

Griffin has thrown more TDs this season (13) than he has incompletions (12).

[DeToxRox]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0924/rn_g_barkley_burfict_ms_600.jpg

Can't think of anything more frightening.

[MrBug708]

Yeah, that was an embarassing loss and USC was out coached.

Did you actually think that Kiffin was a better coach before that game?

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0924/rn_g_barkley_burfict_ms_600.jpg

Can't think of anything more frightening.

He was an idiot for calling out Burfict this week. Barkley needs another year of maturing, but he won't get that under Lane so there isn't any reason to stay.

[Ksyrup]

Very disappointed with FSU's defense on Saturday. This team is having problems synching up, kinda llike watching a baseball team lose 2-0 then lose 12-10. When the D plays well, the offense doesn't do enough to win, and then when the offense gets going, the D keeps giving away points.

I continue to believe that Trickett is a much better QB than Manuel, and I'm kinda hoping Manuel stays injured, TBH. His best asset is running the ball, and with the injury he's got, my guess is they'll run him even less when he's ready to play. Which means they should play the better pure pocket passer, and that's Trickett, and it's not even close. Very impressed with what he did as a freshman in Clemson in his first start.

Unfortunately, on D, it looked way too much like the ACC championship against VT. They did what they wanted, when they wanted. I know not having Greg Reid screwed our dime package, but sheesh. Bad angles, terrible secondary play (although 2 of the PI calls were BS), incredibly poor decisions lead to a bunch of bad penalties... someone get Bradham off the field until he can stop making less than 4-5 bad plays a game.

The only consolation - this game was much bigger for Clemson than FSU based on the remaining conference schedule. I'll be rooting hard for VT, then hope Clemson trips up in one more game and FSU runs the conference schedule.

[SnDvls]

Did you actually think that Kiffin was a better coach before that game?



He was an idiot for calling out Burfict this week. Barkley needs another year of maturing, but he won't get that under Lane so there isn't any reason to stay.

the whole team and coach called out ASU....it happened from the top down and they even said they practiced getting late hit to "simulate" the ASU defense :lol: what a joke. They also said they would bait Vontez too during the game....nothing like giving the refs a heads up on your dirty tricks before the game

[digamma]

I know not having Greg Reid screwed our dime package, but sheesh.

May have to get used to playing without him (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7022030/greg-reid-florida-state-seminoles-arrested-multiple-charges).

I was really impressed with the Clemson offense--hadn't seen them play until this point. Will be very interested in what happens in Blacksburg this weekend. And pulling for the Tigers to give the Hokies a division loss.

[Ksyrup]

Damn.

I'm still not sure I understand why he was out this past weekend. I know he tweaked his knee the week before, but it seemed suspicious that he came back and played full-on for the rest of the OU game and then ended up as a minor note on the injury list for this past weekend, and then didn't play at all. I wonder if there's more to him missing the Clemson game then just a knee.

[larrymcg421]

Referees Admit to Blown Extra Point Call That Cost Toledo the Game Against Syracuse | The Big Lead (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/09/25/referees-admit-to-blown-extra-point-call-that-cost-toledo-the-game-against-syracuse/)

Wow, this is one of the worst replay calls I've ever seen. Toledo got completely hosed. With such a horribly incorrect call, it is certainly an inconvenient coincidence at best that this point put Syracuse over the spread.

[Ksyrup]

I hope they suspend those guys. That was a travesty. When I heard about it, I assumed it was one of those high kicks over the post that's tough to get a read on. When I saw it, I was floored. And then, to have replay confirm it... wow. That replay guy should no longer have a job, IMO.

[gstelmack]

Referees Admit to Blown Extra Point Call That Cost Toledo the Game Against Syracuse | The Big Lead (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/09/25/referees-admit-to-blown-extra-point-call-that-cost-toledo-the-game-against-syracuse/)

Wow, this is one of the worst replay calls I've ever seen. Toledo got completely hosed. With such a horribly incorrect call, it is certainly an inconvenient coincidence at best that this point put Syracuse over the spread.

It had nothing to do with them putting Syracuse over the spread (Toledo failing to score in OT handled that), but rather that Toledo would have won the game outright without it ever going to OT if not for that.

[larrymcg421]

It had nothing to do with them putting Syracuse over the spread (Toledo failing to score in OT handled that), but rather that Toledo would have won the game outright without it ever going to OT if not for that.

Perhaps, but they didn't know Toledo would drive down for the tying FG when they made the call. If they overturn the call, then Toledo is almost guaranteed to cover aside from a fumble return or pick six. Either way it doesn't look good.

[Logan]

A FG by Ohio vs Rutgers at the end of the 1st half was clearly wide right upon review, but it was ruled good. Thankfully didn't end up mattering, but more proof that the Big East needs to be blown up.