NFL Week 6 thread

[Butter]

Let the Tim Tebow era begin!

:popcorn:

[stevew]

They are on Bye this week, dumbo

[DeToxRox]

Lions/Niners is the biggest game of the week. Who saw that coming?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin Hangs Up On Jacksonville Media - Big Cat Country (http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/10/12/2485780/steelers-coach-mike-tomlin-hangs-up-on-jacksonville-media)

[Butter]

They are on Bye this week, dumbo

It's such a big story, this will give them an extra week to talk about it.

[JediKooter]

The Chargers have a bye week as well. I'm sure Norv Turner will find some way to try and lose a game they aren't even playing in.

[Butter]

Someone associated with the Steelers being an arrogant jerk? Seems so unlikely.

[gstelmack]

Steelers Coach Mike Tomlin Hangs Up On Jacksonville Media - Big Cat Country (http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2011/10/12/2485780/steelers-coach-mike-tomlin-hangs-up-on-jacksonville-media)

He paused, no one asked a question, so he left. What's the big deal?

[Passacaglia]

He paused, no one asked a question, so he left. What's the big deal?

Where does it say no one asked a question?

[gstelmack]

Where does it say no one asked a question?

It doesn't, you're right. He paused, then hung up, they don't say what happened during the pause.

[Passacaglia]

Actually, it says:

Tomlin then said "Anybody got questions relative to this week?", paused, and then hung up the phone while the next question was being asked.

[Passacaglia]

What it doesn't say is what the question about the 2007 playoff game was. I wonder what burning questions they had about it.

[jeff061]

I thought I was going to agree with Tomlin, the media can be fucking stupid. But that was a pretty benign question.

[jeff061]

What it doesn't say is what the question about the 2007 playoff game was. I wonder what burning questions they had about it.

Its Jacksonville, im sure its the accomplishment of the century. Still, not sure why it set him off.

[gstelmack]

Actually, it says:

I am off to the eye doctor, will check back in in a bit.

[JediKooter]

Speaking of the Jags...

Lone Post On Jaguars Fan Message Board Requests Directions To Stadium | The Onion Sports Network (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/lone-post-on-jaguars-fan-message-board-requests-di,26276/)

[Travis]

Word out of Seattle is that the Seahawks are restructuring Aaron Curry's contract (again) to make a trade happen.

Quite sad that the kid hasn't been able to find his way in the NFL game but hopefully they can get something halfway decent for him (hell, anything at this point is a win I suppose). Only rumored team I've seen tweeted thus far is Oakland.

And the roster remake/competition theme continues in Seattle.

[stevew]

I think someone like NE or another 3/4 squad could still harness ability from Curry. Just tell him to come off the edge and blitz the QB every down.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Raiders got him according to Shefter, two picks (one in 2012 and one in 2013) but probably not amounting to much. Wow, quite the fall.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Raiders got him according to Shefter, two picks (one in 2012 and one in 2013) but probably not amounting to much. Wow, quite the fall.

Looking back at the Top Half of the first round of the 2009 draft, perhaps the Lions going 0-16 was a blessing.

1 Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT
9 Packers B.J. Raji DT
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB
13 Redskins Brian Orakpo DE
14 Saints Malcolm Jenkins CB
15 Texans Brian Cushing OLB
16 Chargers Larry English DE

When healthy Stafford has shown some flashes of being a franchise QB, though I'd like him to be more consistently accurate.

I think Jason Smith is really struggling.

Not sure how good Tyson Jackson is.

Curry's bombed out so far.

Sanchez has been a decent, serviceable QB for the Jets.

I know Andre Smith has struggled with injuries, but has he amounted to much?

Other than a few flashes this year Heyward-Bey hasn't amounted to much.

No clue about Eugene Monroe.

Raji has been very solid for the Packers.

Crabtree has been hurt and temperamental.

Maybin a complete bomb.

Moreno has been ok. Not great.

Orakpo was great pick. I think Jenkins has been fine. Cushing lit the world on fire as a juiced up rookie but has sort of fallen off the map since, and Larry English has been very pedestrian.

[Travis]

So a 7th and a conditional mid rounder the following year. More than I expected and guessing Carroll will be very happy to have an extra 3rd-5th rounder to play with in a couple years.

Here's hoping he figures it out well enough to bump that conditional pick up as much as possible but unless he finds a different way to approach/play the game mentally I'm not holding my breath.

[Matthean]

From the "Not that it matters file" Pryor is back practicing with the Raiders.

Terrelle Pryor of Oakland Raiders returns to practice after ban - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7092879/terrelle-pryor-oakland-raiders-returns-practice-ban)

[Doug5984]

You stopped on Orakpo- but Jenkins is looking like he will be a great player.

[Honolulu_Blue]

You stopped on Orakpo- but Jenkins is looking like he will be a great player.


Orakpo was great pick. I think Jenkins has been fine. Cushing lit the world on fire as a juiced up rookie but has sort of fallen off the map since, and Larry English has been very pedestrian.

I continued through, just rushed the last few all together.

[Groundhog]

Just read Curry's stats on pass defense. Wow, he's like a QB power-up.

[Butter]

Andre Smith has been slightly below average right tackle so far. He has not been very good, but he has time to improve. Frankly, nobody expects the Bengals to do anything (really EVER but especially this year), so he's got this whole year to settle in after having mostly a lost year last season.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Looking back at the Top Half of the first round of the 2009 draft, perhaps the Lions going 0-16 was a blessing.

1 Lions Matthew Stafford QB
2 Rams Jason Smith OT
3 Chiefs Tyson Jackson DE
4 Seahawks Aaron Curry OLB
5 Jets Mark Sanchez QB
6 Bengals Andre Smith OT
7 Raiders Darrius Heyward-Bey WR
8 Jaguars Eugene Monroe OT
9 Packers B.J. Raji DT
10 49ers Michael Crabtree WR
11 Bills Aaron Maybin DE
12 Broncos Knowshon Moreno RB
13 Redskins Brian Orakpo DE
14 Saints Malcolm Jenkins CB
15 Texans Brian Cushing OLB
16 Chargers Larry English DE

When healthy Stafford has shown some flashes of being a franchise QB, though I'd like him to be more consistently accurate.

I think Jason Smith is really struggling.

Not sure how good Tyson Jackson is.

Curry's bombed out so far.

Sanchez has been a decent, serviceable QB for the Jets.

I know Andre Smith has struggled with injuries, but has he amounted to much?

Other than a few flashes this year Heyward-Bey hasn't amounted to much.

No clue about Eugene Monroe.

Raji has been very solid for the Packers.

Crabtree has been hurt and temperamental.

Maybin a complete bomb.

Moreno has been ok. Not great.

Orakpo was great pick. I think Jenkins has been fine. Cushing lit the world on fire as a juiced up rookie but has sort of fallen off the map since, and Larry English has been very pedestrian.

Great minds...

Yesterday afternoon when I first read the Curry stuff in this thread, I went to NFL.com to review the draft that year.

Wasn't Curry seen as the safest pick of them all?

[JPhillips]

Andre Smith has been slightly below average right tackle so far. He has not been very good, but he has time to improve. Frankly, nobody expects the Bengals to do anything (really EVER but especially this year), so he's got this whole year to settle in after having mostly a lost year last season.

This year he looks a lot better. He's in far better shape than he has been previously. I don't think he'll be a dominant RT, but he'll be good as long as he stays fit.

[Butter]

He does look better this year, but he's far from dominant. I think considering where he was taken, he would have to be considered a disappointment.

That's better than the outright bust he appeared to be last year.

[Doug5984]

I continued through, just rushed the last few all together.

:lol: I was never very good at reading comprehension.

[panerd]

Andre Smith has been slightly below average right tackle so far. He has not been very good, but he has time to improve. Frankly, nobody expects the Bengals to do anything (really EVER but especially this year), so he's got this whole year to settle in after having mostly a lost year last season.

Crazy thing is they actually look like they may start the year 5-2 (I realize Seattle at home is not easy but it sure beats at NE or at Pit) After that I only really see two-three more winnable games but who knows this team always seems to kind of come out of nowhere when the expectations hit rock bottom. Didn't think I would ever live to see the day when we are heavy betting favorites against Indianapolis.

[Bearcat729]

Crazy thing is they actually look like they may start the year 5-2 (I realize Seattle at home is not easy but it sure beats at NE or at Pit) After that I only really see two-three more winnable games but who knows this team always seems to kind of come out of nowhere when the expectations hit rock bottom. Didn't think I would ever live to see the day when we are heavy betting favorites against Indianapolis.

I think the Bengals could pull out a few more wins. I think the only games that would be certain losses are the 2 Baltimore games, and the Houston game. I'd say they will probably split with Pittsburgh.

They have a better path ahead of them than Cleveland. The way the Browns are playing I'm just hoping for 4 or 5 more wins.

[stevew]

Saw that Brandon Lloyd was in the block. I also don't see why Carolina doesn't move Stewart at this point. It appears that Rivera was told to air the fuck out of the ball in order to get people interested in an otherwise boring team. Of you aren't going to grind it out with 2 really good backs, I'm not sure why you keep Stewart. Goodson is probably an adequate 3rd down option, and DeAngelo just got run over by a Brinks truck.

[Ksyrup]

Sight Of Matt Millen On TV Simply Too Much For Nation’s Unemployed To Handle | The Onion Sports Network (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/sight-of-matt-millen-on-tv-simply-too-much-for-nat,26356/)

[Passacaglia]

Lions/Niners is the biggest game of the week. Who saw that coming?

Not big enough to air in Chicago apparently. I was pretty sure we'd get to see the Lions, since the Bears are on Sunday night, and Lions/49ers is a big matchup, with a team in the same division as the Bears. But we get Packers/Rams, I guess because it's got two teams in states bordering us here. What a crock.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Marshall: I'll play like a monster, get ejected - CBSSports.com (http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32714447)

The word idiot comes to mind

“I don’t care if I have two, three cameras on me. I don’t care if I have penalties. It doesn’t matter; I’m going to let it all out. I don’t care what you guys write or what the commentators say. I’m just going to play football. That’s what I’m best at. I’m best when I play emotional. I’m best when I play with passion. You guys are going to see that on Monday Night Football. I don’t know if it’s throwing a football 15 yards in the bleachers, or getting a 15-yarder [penalty], or punting the ball and getting thrown out of the game. But something is going to happen. I’ll probably get kicked out after the second quarter.”



I find it odd he's "just going to play football", when everything he describes is exactly not that

[kingfc22]

Niners first meaningful game in 9 years.

Can't wait!

[Scoobz0202]

I hate that with the NFL and it being Sunday, if I stay at home there will only be 4 different football games available on my tv all day. Including Sunday night football.

[Dr. Sak]

I hate that with the NFL and it being Sunday, if I stay at home there will only be 4 different football games available on my tv all day. Including Sunday night football.

We only have 3 here.

[Scoobz0202]

Steelers, Cowboys, SNF I'm guessing?

[Honolulu_Blue]

I hate that with the NFL and it being Sunday, if I stay at home there will only be 4 different football games available on my tv all day. Including Sunday night football.

We only have 3 here.

Red Zone, FTW!

[Scoobz0202]

If only Time Warner would get their head out of their ass :(

[DeToxRox]

It's insane how loud Ford Field is right now.

[Matthean]

It's insane how loud Ford Field is right now.

Ask San Fran's OL. :D

[stevew]

Wow....the Lions AND the 49ers are one and it isn't one of the following:
1. Thanksgiving. 2. 1997

[stevew]

Dola-
3. Neither is playing the Browns or Steelers

[Chubby]

How 'bout them Giants defense? :D

[stevew]

Blaine Gabbert will not remember this day fondly.

[RainMaker]

I miss when teams would run in the NFL.

[Danny]

Rain, time for you to watch some Raider football.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I hate being this guy, but some of these penalties are pretty lame in the Niner game. Sopoaga gets nailed for ripping off a helmet unintentionally, even though Suh did the exact same thing a few plays prior for no penalty.

[kingfc22]

I hate being this guy, but some of these penalties are pretty lame in the Niner game. Sopoaga gets nailed for ripping off a helmet unintentionally, even though Suh did the exact same thing a few plays prior for no penalty.

Niners have definitely not played a clean game, but 10-2 on penalties...Come on.

[DeToxRox]

Niners have definitely not played a clean game, but 10-2 on penalties...Come on.

While I agree about the Sopanga penalty, you guys have 4 false starts, 1 illegal formation, 1 DPI and a Defensive hold that are all legit. Also the Harbaugh personal foul (a dumb rule) was legit too.

[kingfc22]

While I agree about the Sopanga penalty, you guys have 4 false starts, 1 illegal formation, 1 DPI and a Defensive hold that are all legit. Also the Harbaugh personal foul (a dumb rule) was legit too.

Well that was a weak call as well.

[DeToxRox]

Well that was a weak call as well.

Agreed. It's some justice for the Soponga foul though.

[kingfc22]

Phew. Now if the Niners can pick up 20-25 yards to get Akers a chance here...

[kingfc22]

Anthony Davis needs to stop the bullshit. It's gonna cost us at some point.

[RainMaker]

Rain, time for you to watch some Raider football.

Yeah, I enjoy watching them. We're bordering on the Arena Football League nowadays. Still fun, but wish they'd allow teams to play defense again.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I agree that they're not helping their own cause, I think that the neutral zone infraction was weak, and that one of the false starts was defensive induced. Also, the Lions are getting pretty chippy after the whistle, and not getting any attention for it.

That being said, my complaints have more to do with the Niners playing sloppy than anything else.

[DeToxRox]

Big break for SF to end the half. I don't see the Niners putting up a lot of points in the second half and the Lions offense has been damn good after the break so I still feel good but Stafford has to pick it up.

[bulletsponge]

Yeah, I enjoy watching them. We're bordering on the Arena Football League nowadays. Still fun, but wish they'd allow teams to play defense again.

+1. dont like how QB centric the league has become

[kingfc22]

Crowd in Detroit is a lot quieter now than earlier. Hope it stays that way as they were clearly impacting the game in the 1st quarter.

[kingfc22]

Indy trying to solidify their lead in the Suck for Luck sweepstakes.

[cuervo72]

Get your heads out of your asses, linebackers.

[Vince, Pt. II]

This officiating crew is fucking awful. Niners gifted with a horrible horse collar call.

[kingfc22]

Another poor call in this DET/SF game. This is a worrisome trend with two teams battling back and forth in a close game.

[Crapshoot]

Damnit - Walker just dropped a touchdown.

[cuervo72]

Thank goodness for Bad Rex.

[kingfc22]

Damnit - Walker just dropped a touchdown.

Yea, that might hurt later, but I sure as he'll hope not and our defense is due for a TO.

[Crapshoot]

Holy shit, what a catch by Crabtree. That was amazing.

[bhlloy]

Stafford has to learn how to get the ball out of there quicker or he's never going to be an elite QB. He's looking at his offensive linemen like it's their fault but they're not doing a horrible job, he's just holding onto it way too long.

[Crapshoot]

Oh Alex, there was no reason to make that throw damnit - you had a running lane.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Damn. Smith has been high an awful lot this half.

[Crapshoot]

Yeah, that play alone was a 6 point swing eh? From a near FG to a likely Lions FG (at least).

[kingfc22]

Enough with the mental mistakes. Ugh!

[stevew]

Another Calvin Johnson non catch.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

That was a catch by Burleson.

[kingfc22]

The NFL has made it so I have no clue what a TD is anymore

[Glengoyne]

The NFL has made it so I have no clue what a TD is anymore


+1

Another example single worst rule in the history of the NFL.

[stevew]

Bad Rex today.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

TOUCHDOWN!

[RainMaker]

Such a stupid fucking rule but that's not a TD.
I guess it's not a rule anymore.

[kingfc22]

How can a call be wrong and right at the same time?

+1

[DeToxRox]

If I never see a catch like that in a Lions game again I'll love life a bit more.

[DeToxRox]

I honestly believe had the Lions not been the ones who had this happen again they call it incomplete.

[ColtCrazy]

Well, Colts had all the momentum and then Garcon makes a WTF play trying to get an extra yard. Painter then throws his first pick in several attempts. Wonderful.

This team is going to rip your heart out every week.

Suck for Luck continues.... 0-6.

[Vince, Pt. II]

So here's my problem. I thought that Calvin Johnson not getting a TD last year was bullshit. This play is the exact same, and now it IS a touchdown. Get consistent.

[TroyF]

So here's my problem. I thought that Calvin Johnson not getting a TD last year was bullshit. This play is the exact same, and now it IS a touchdown. Get consistent.


I don't think the plays were the same. In Johnson's case, he caught the ball, hit two feet and dropped to the ground when he lost the ball.

In this case, the guy caught the ball, got two feet down and then took two steps and then went down.

The question in my mind comes down to this: If that happened in the field of play, would it be a fumble or an incompletion. In Johnson's case, I think it would have been an incompletion because he didn't complete a football move.

In this case, I think it would be a fumble, because he turned up field and took two more steps. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

[TroyF]

That should have been a pic 6 which would have given the Bills the win. What a horrific pass by someone considered to be an elite QB. What's funny is if the Giants hold on, Eli will get credit for a game winning drive when he really should be getting the blame for a second straight red zone INT with the game on the line.

Not Eli bashing here, just pointing out how fine the line is between success and failure in this league.

[EagleFan]

These announcers are idiots. They think that it would have been better for Washington if the replay gave the Eagles 1st and 10 with the Redkins having no timeouts left instead of 3rd and 1.

[TroyF]

Triple post here, but I have been stunned by how many interference calls have went against the Bills and how few times they have went against the Giants. I think I've seen at least 3 cases of clear cut interference against the Giants which haven't been called. Every single time the Bills have came within a breath of hitting a Giant early, it has been called. The first play of the final drive was a perfect example. That was obvious PI against the Giants and no call. If I were the Bills, I'd be firing off A LOT of game film to the league office and ask what the hell happened.

[EagleFan]

Thank goodness for Bad Rex.

+1

You knew he was waiting to show up sometime.

[DeToxRox]

Ted Ginn is such a pussy. I'd be irate if I was a Niners fan at that effort.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Thank you Jeff Backus.

[kingfc22]

Ted Ginn is such a pussy. I'd be irate if I was a Niners fan at that effort.

Yes. Missing Edwards and Morgan is hurting the Niners big time.

Oh and Aldon Smith has been fantastic so far this year in terms of getting to the QB.

[DeToxRox]

Ginn redeemed himself there.

[Crapshoot]

This is a fascinating game. Don't know how it will play out. Obviously, the 49ers have to score a TD here.

[kingfc22]

If only Walker had caught that TD earlier, we'd just need a FG to go ahead...

Two more chances and one needs to be a boot leg IMO.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

This is a good game, but Detroit needs to learn how to run consistently. They can look at the tape of the 49ers if the want to see how to do it.

[Crapshoot]

HOLY SHIT!

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Ugh.

[cuervo72]

Why have the Cowboys never brought back their 60s/70s blue jerseys? Not the throwbacks with the white shoulders, but the solid blue. These ones with the outline around the numbers...just not attractive.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

On second thought, his right knee looks down to me before the ball crossed the line.

[kingfc22]

Walker redeems himself. Who is this Alex Smith?!?

[kingfc22]

No way this is not a TD.

[Crapshoot]

Nah, broke the plane - its basically even. They called it a TD, they'll keep it as a TD and it would be ubsurd to overturn.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Wooooo!

[korme]

I put a large amount of money on the Lions to cover the -4.5 spread. Even if they score in 2 minutes to regain the lead, it would be 26-22. I guess I have to hope for a FG, overtime, then a Lion TD to win

[kingfc22]

Ok. Time for the national media to pay a little attention the the Niners.

Wow!

[Danny]

If the Raiders win today, who would have guessed a combined 9-3 for the bay area teams.

[DeToxRox]

Love Linehan but he has called a terrible game. I think this Lions team is about what I thought before the season, 8-8/9-7. We just are not consistent enough and Stafford has a long ways to go still. Niners look good and should win the West while being a problem for whoever in the playoffs.

[TroyF]

Love Linehan but he has called a terrible game. I think this Lions team is about what I thought before the season, 8-8/9-7. We just are not consistent enough and Stafford has a long ways to go still. Niners look good and should win the West while being a problem for whoever in the playoffs.

Really? You think they go 3-7 or 4-6 to finish the year? (assuming they lose this, no matter what I wrote in the Madden thread, it aint over yet)

They have a tougher schedule, but I still think they'll get to 10 and move on to the playoffs.

[RainMaker]

Sean Payton blew his knee out on the sidelines.

[kingfc22]

Sean Payton blew his knee out on the sidelines.

Wow! Did he have to leave?

[MrBug708]

Nice to see the Lions having no interest in this final drive...

[DeToxRox]

Lions played two down football today, deciding to just phone it in nearly every first down. Very disappointing.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Terrible sports weekend in Detroit.

Wolverines? Lost
Tigers? Lost
Lions? Lost

Just a pile of poop this weekend.

[dubb93]

So why did the Lions decide to bench their big play receiving RB at the end when it was obvious they needed a big play and had to pass? I'm talking about Best obviously. He was the team's #2 WR on the day and they benched him at the end it seems.

[Danny]

Didn't want to risk injury as it was obvious they had already given up on the game.

[RainMaker]

Wow! Did he have to leave?
No, he's sitting on the bench with a huge leg brace on. They are clearing a line of vision for him to call plays.

Also, Harbaugh and Schwartz almost got in a fight after the game. Pretty crazy scene. Schwartz was going at him hard.

[MrBug708]

Harbaugh is a hell of a football coach but you can tell he probably doesnt have many friends after that post game display

[stevew]

That was douchy

[rowech]

Harbaugh is a hell of a football coach but you can tell he probably doesnt have many friends after that post game display

He's a jackass after that. You're a professional coach -- act like it.

[RainMaker]

Harbaugh is a hell of a football coach but you can tell he probably doesnt have many friends after that post game display
That's Jim Harbaugh though. It's what makes him a good coach. It's his team against the world and he doesn't give a fuck who they piss off.

[TroyF]

Harbaugh is a hell of a football coach but you can tell he probably doesnt have many friends after that post game display

I watched the replay quickly, what exactly did he do? All I saw was some celebrating and Schwartz losing his cool. I don't think Harbaugh did anything that deserved that reaction unless I missed something.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Lions played two down football today, deciding to just phone it in nearly every first down. Very disappointing.

They have to do more than look for big plays on every down. Sure, a 15 yard pass is a first down, but so is a few 4 yard plays. You have three plays to get 10 yards... use them.

I had hope when they drafted Leshoure that they would try running the ball a bit more consistently, but they seemed to put too much into the one player. Best is a big play threat, but not consistent. Harrison is a good backup to Best. Morris only plays because he's apparently the only back who can pass block. Williams... who knows.

This game is what I feared...

And what was that exchange between Schwartz & Harbaugh?

[Dr. Sak]

Sean Payton blew his knee out on the sidelines.

Just like JoePa

[RedKingGold]

I'm partial as a 49ers fan, however, I hope the Lions and 49ers play again in the NFC Championship. So long as the flags ease up and Alex Smith becomes a decent starting quarterback, that has the chance to be an epic matchup.

That's Jim Harbaugh though. It's what makes him a good coach. It's his team against the world and he doesn't give a fuck who they piss off.

Yes, and I love it. I'm glad he's on my team, but I'd probably hate it if he wasn't

[Crapshoot]

Celebrating a win is a problem now? Christ.

[MrBug708]

I watched the replay quickly, what exactly did he do? All I saw was some celebrating and Schwartz losing his cool. I don't think Harbaugh did anything that deserved that reaction unless I missed something.


I don't think he deserved to be chased down 40 yards like he was. But he sort of pushed Schwartz out of the way to keep...galloping...down the field.

[MrBug708]

Celebrating a win is a problem now? Christ.

Yes :banghead:

[dubb93]

I don't think he deserved to be chased down 40 yards like he was. But he sort of pushed Schwartz out of the way to keep...galloping...down the field.

I really didn't see that. I just figured it was him yelling "Wooo" after the hand slap. I really don't think he pushed him.

[kingfc22]

I really didn't see that. I just figured it was him yelling "Wooo" after the hand slap. I really don't think he pushed him.

Schwartz needs to get over it. He should be worried more about his d-line and how the Niners exposed them all game long on the ground or maybe how his team should no interest in the final minute with the ball and a chance to win.

[MrBug708]

You niner fans crack me up

[MIJB#19]

What's up with the uniforms the Green Bay Packers wore today?
Were those throwback uni's?

[MIJB#19]

What's up with the uniforms the Green Bay Packers wore today?
Were those throwback uni's?Never mind, I should have asked it to mr Google first.
Throwback it is!

[kingfc22]

You niner fans crack me up

For what? Are you gonna tell me that what Harbaugh did was worse than Schwartz chasing him 40 yards down the field? Come on. :banghead:

[SunDevil]

Jim Schwartz Did Not Appreciate Jim Harbaugh’s Enthusiasm, Brawl Nearly Ensues | The Big Lead (http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/10/16/jim-schwartz-did-not-appreciate-jim-harbaughs-enthusiasm-brawl-nearly-ensues/)

[jbergey22]

Never mind, I should have asked it to mr Google first.
Throwback it is!

They certainly arent the most attractive uniforms in the world.

[MrBug708]

For what? Are you gonna tell me that what Harbaugh did was worse than Schwartz chasing him 40 yards down the field? Come on. :banghead:

Again...cracking me up

[Lathum]

FWIW Bill Cowhler said he would have done the same thing Schwartz did.

IMO Harbaugh acted like an ass. Show some class and shake the other teams coaches hand, then go celebrate in the locker room. Act like you have been there before.

[bronconick]

Jim Harbaugh is an asshole.

He was an asshole at Michigan
He was an asshole with the Bears and Colts
He was an asshole cussing out the refs as a guest on his brother's sideline
He was an asshole at Stanford
He's still an asshole. Him acting like he won the Super Bowl and cussing up a storm probably shouldn't even be news anymore.

[jeff061]

Yeah, I don't know. When everyone was whining about the Jets celebrating to much when they beat the Pats last year I didn't have a problem with it. And I'm the largest Jets hater in the country.

He won, he's allowed to get emotional and celebrate, I much prefer when people get caught up in the emotion post game, as opposed to acting like they already won it pre-game(Jets). Schwartz should just walk his loser ass back to the locker room and get ready for next week.

Just look at Belichick, when he loses he's so pissed about it he just about doesn't utter a word for days. Doubt he gives a shit what the other team is doing during his walk of shame.

[jbergey22]

Yeah, I don't know. When everyone was whining about the Jets celebrating to much when they beat the Pats last year I didn't have a problem with it. And I'm the largest Jets hater in the country.

He won, he's allowed to get emotional and celebrate, I much prefer when people get caught up in the emotion post game, as opposed to acting like they already won it pre-game(Jets). Schwartz should just walk his loser ass back to the locker room and get ready for next week.

Just look at Belichick, when he loses he's so pissed about it he just about doesn't utter a word for days. Doubt he gives a shit what the other team is doing during his walk of shame.

+1

Also, if Harbaugh had done that in front of Belichek payback would be coming down the road.

The best way for Schwartz to get revenge is kicking their asses up and down the field the next time they play.

[Mustang]

Wasn't Schwartz yelling 'Incomplete MFer at Dez Bryant a few weeks ago?'

Sounds like someone that dishes it out, but doesn't like it given back to him.

[Scoobz0202]

Textbook Jason Garrett playcall on 3rd and goal.

[jeff061]

Yeah, that was a stupid call. Not that I'm complaining.

What's worse than Schwartz acting like a bitch after he loses? Pats defenders celebrating after they let Dallas drive and score the go ahead field goal.

[JPhillips]

Wasn't Schwartz yelling 'Incomplete MFer at Dez Bryant a few weeks ago?'

Sounds like someone that dishes it out, but doesn't like it given back to him.

This. Harbaugh is an asshole, but Schwartz seems just as bad.

[Matthean]

Jim Schwartz's passion approaches lunacy - NFC North Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/32752/jim-schwartzs-passion-approaches-lunacy)

Odd to read it being far more on Schawrtz. If they play in the playoffs, it will be in San Fran.

[Glengoyne]

Color me as not understanding the unwritten rules of the game. I did not realize that a coach isn't allowed to celebrate after a game. Yes when I saw Harbaugh jumping around my first thought was 'seriously? Act like you've been there before'. the second thought I had was 'Well I guess that is what makes Harbaugh Harbaugh'

Then I saw the clip of Schwartz chasing him down the field, IMO, Schwartz is the one making an ass of himself there.

[Scoobz0202]

This loss is on Jason Garrett. He calls some of the dumbest fucking plays I've ever seen.

[rowech]

Damn...Romo...what a choke. Couldn't score a TD in 22 seconds.

[Pumpy Tudors]

At the time I was watching it, I didn't think anybody had a problem with Harbaugh celebrating and jumping around. The handshake was bullshit. That was practically akin to giving Schwartz a high five. I'm sure a lot of people think Schwartz was oversensitive about it, and perhaps he was, but I think it's at least understandable that he doesn't expect the winning coach to come over and do that. I'm sure both guys have put it behind them now.

[MizzouRah]

So... how about them Rams? :banghead:

[bulletsponge]

oh great, i get to watch Mcnabb live in all his overrated sucking glory

theres no way the Vikes are going to win the "suck for Luck" competition, but maybe they can move up for a trade if STL is #1 overall

[Matthean]

NFL.com news: Bad blood: Schwartz, Harbaugh have words after 49ers' win (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8232bfe9/article/bad-blood-schwartz-harbaugh-have-words-after-49ers-win?module=HP11_headline_stack)

There's the video via the NFL. I really don't see what ticked off Schwartz, but you can tell he was ticked off after the handshake. I think this is on Schwartz though.

[Thomkal]

Raiders lose Jason Campbell for at least the rest of the regular season with a broken collarbone. Kyle Boller is his backup.

NFL.com news: Raiders QB Campbell breaks collarbone vs. Browns (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8232c183/article/raiders-qb-campbell-breaks-collarbone-vs-browns?module=HP11_headline_stack)

[Danny]

Yes, crappy news after such a promising start :(

[Mustang]

Kyle Boller is his backup.


I didn't even realize Boller was still in the league.

[Radii]

At the time I was watching it, I didn't think anybody had a problem with Harbaugh celebrating and jumping around. The handshake was bullshit. That was practically akin to giving Schwartz a high five.

Pumpy is Right!

[mauchow]

I hear Brett Favre is still available.

[Danny]

I'd like to see them sign Garrard. He's not great, but is probably not that much different than Campbell in quality.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Pumpy is Right!
This is what I've been trying to tell everybody for years.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Yeah, I think that Harbaugh really should class it up a little after a win (although I really, really doubt this will happen), but that Schwartz definitely overreacted.

[JPhillips]

Raiders lose Jason Campbell for at least the rest of the regular season with a broken collarbone. Kyle Boller is his backup.

NFL.com news: Raiders QB Campbell breaks collarbone vs. Browns (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8232c183/article/raiders-qb-campbell-breaks-collarbone-vs-browns?module=HP11_headline_stack)

If only there were a former #1 pick with ties to Hue Jackson out there.

[rowech]

Raiders lose Jason Campbell for at least the rest of the regular season with a broken collarbone. Kyle Boller is his backup.

NFL.com news: Raiders QB Campbell breaks collarbone vs. Browns (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8232c183/article/raiders-qb-campbell-breaks-collarbone-vs-browns?module=HP11_headline_stack)

Paging Dr. Palmer. Dr. Carson Palmer.

[Matthean]

Paging Dr. Palmer. Dr. Carson Palmer.

Too bad Al wasn't alive because he would over trade for him.

[rowech]

Too bad Al wasn't alive because he would over trade for him.

Mike Brown said again they're not trading him so whoever wants him will have to overtrade for him.

[mckerney]

So Cedric Griffin and Hussien Abdulah can't cover, shocking.

[mckerney]

And Bernard Berrian still doing what he's best at.

[stevew]

Donovan McNabb is horrible.

[mckerney]

Donovan McNabb is horrible.

But you have to be impressed at how he fought to avoid being sacked for a safety. :rolleyes:

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Donovan McNabb is horrible.

As bad as Orakpo's acting?

[cuervo72]

But you have to be impressed at how he fought to avoid being sacked for a safety. :rolleyes:

Heh.

[bulletsponge]

Too bad Al wasn't alive because he would over trade for him.

but Brown is the dumbest owner and would have refused the trade out of spite

[Matthean]

Got to love a State fan calling out a former Wolverine in Harbaugh for his actions and yet MSU's play this week is justified due to the players being amped up. O.o

[Passacaglia]

Someone at nfl.com is being lazy. They finally updated their standings page to reflect the late afternoon games half an hour ago, and when they did, they still kept New Orleans ahead of Tampa Bay.

[Glengoyne]

Yeah, I think that Harbaugh really should class it up a little after a win (although I really, really doubt this will happen), but that Schwartz definitely overreacted.

I can't believe I've seen as much coverage of this as I have. But in doing so, my impression that Schwartz is in the wrong is even more reinforced.

Yeah he got an enthusiastic shake of the hand and a vigorous pat on the back, for which Harbaugh is clearly in wrong.

Then Schwartz says that he then received an obscenity. By the review of the tape it appears that He directs an obscenity at Harbaugh. If Harbaugh said something first, it pretty clearly wasn't directed at the opposing coach. Schwartz can't say the same.

So Cowher says he would have done the same. Well I never considered him a paragon of class in any case. FWIW, Tony Dungy says that it should have been incumbent on Schwartz to be the bigger man.

The studio guys after the game were claiming that the league would assess heavy fines for both. Just what do you fine Harbaugh for? An enthusiastic handshake? Physically touching a fellow coach in an unwanted manner? Schwartz should be held to the higher standard of not drawing the attention of every media outlet in the country, and embarrassing the league.

[Matthean]

How is that remotely relevant to Jim Harbaugh being an asshole?

It's not. They were called out for their homerism. Some people on my FB account make me shake my head in wonder about their lack of logic. I eagerly a wait to see if he has any sort of response after I pretty much piled on the reasoning.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, I had thought this was the NFL thread - and not a single post on Bears/Vikings? Nothing when Hester runs yet another kick back?

[Lathum]

So if Hester runs another 6-7 kicks back does he start getting HOF consideration?

[RedKingGold]

We did see Kory Lichensteiger, Redskins starting LG, lost for the season with a torn ACL because some piece of shit Philthy DL grabbed his facemask from behind and dragged him to the ground on one of the Gross INTs today. On another one of them, a Philthy DL or LB (not sure which) dove into Trent Williams legs from behind and caused a high ankle sprain which will put him out for several weeks. Dirty pieces of shit.

Your posts make Philadelphia look like a sympathetic figure/entity. I thank you.

(bows head)

[hoopsguy]

So if Hester runs another 6-7 kicks back does he start getting HOF consideration?

He is up to 17 now:

4 kickoffs
12 punts
1 missed field goal

20 seems like a good round number, but maybe if he gets 2x whoever the next closest is ... no idea, but I think the debate about "best return guy ever" is more or less over at this point.

[bulletsponge]

Ponder is in! thank god, McNabb sucks

[stevew]

Apparently an ignore list doesn't work well when the maniacal rantings continue to be quoted.

[TroyF]

He is up to 17 now:

4 kickoffs
12 punts
1 missed field goal

20 seems like a good round number, but maybe if he gets 2x whoever the next closest is ... no idea, but I think the debate about "best return guy ever" is more or less over at this point.

That's right. Nobody will ever equal Rick Upchurch.

OK, Hester is better. As a kid, I felt Upchurch was the best player of all time. (I was 7, cut me some slack)

[mckerney]

Hopefully Ponder can keep doing his part for the Suck for Luck/Jones campaign.

[jbergey22]

Hopefully Ponder can keep doing his part for the Suck for Luck/Jones campaign.

Ponder didnt look so bad tonight. Showed some good pocket presence however he was inaccurate on his medium/deep throws.

[Suicane75]

Mental patient ramblings.

Listen dude, i'm sorry our football guys hurt your football guys. I'm also sorry someone raped your car and vomited on your poop. I apologize for all of Philadelphia.

[Matthean]

Random thought time. Back in week two I pointed out Atlanta should run the ball and go no huddle to counter the Philly defense after it was talked about how they do their DL and it's built for a passing league.

Philly's opp:

Rams, Williams, 91 yards.
Falcons, Turner, 114 yards.
Giants, Bradshaw, 86 yards.
49ers, Gore, 127 yards.
Bills, Jackson, 111 yards.

Take this a step further. The DL coach in question came from Tenn. and was brought in since it caused Reid such issues. Who is also from Tenn? Schwartz and he uses the same type of DL tactic.

Lions vs. the Bucs was a near wash since Lions held the ball for so long and TB needed to come back.
Chiefs, McCluster, 51 yards, but it was a gang effort for 140+
Vikes, Peterson, 78 yards with Harvin chipping in 41.
Cowboys, Jones/Choice for 96 yards.
Bears, Forte, 116 yards.
49ers, Gore, 141 yards.

Gore has 541 yards rushing in six games. He has 268 against Philly and Detroit. It's a passing league y'all. :lol:

[stevew]

But you have to be impressed at how he fought to avoid being sacked for a safety. :rolleyes:

At that point I decided that he should never see the field again. Not that he previously deserved to, but that was an embarrassment.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

...Schwartz says that he then received an obscenity. By the review of the tape it appears that He directs an obscenity at Harbaugh. If Harbaugh said something first, it pretty clearly wasn't directed at the opposing coach. Schwartz can't say the same.


Not defending Schwartz for going off, but he clearly seemed to be reacting. He said he wasn't expecting an obscenity. We can't see what Harbaugh said to him, but I would guess it wasn't "good game." When asked about it, Harbaugh awkwardly repeated his comment about it being on him for shaking his hand too hard (he also seemed to have eluded to Schwartz not being able to take a "hard" handshake, which as we all know is a means of putting down his manhood.)

Two assholes just having a little contest to see who is the bigger asshole...

I'm just really glad at this point that Brady Hoke is the coach of Michigan.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I love that on NFL.com, the lead story is of course Schwartz v. Harbaugh, and that underneath is a link to 'Experts Analyze'. Who did they get for this, a couple of 11 year old kids fighting over a candy bar and screaming 'My dad can beat up your dad!" at each other?

Also, sports talk radio line of the week-

On a 4th quarter play, DE John Chick blew past T Max Starks. He hits Roethlisberger's arm, causing a fumble, eventually recovered by Pittsburgh. Starks never got a hand on the DE.

When reviewing the tapes, the Steelers will determine Starks needs lessons from Roethlisberger on getting his hands on Chicks.


:p

[spleen1015]

Brandon Lloyd is a Ram.

[stevew]

I know they are 0-5, but the Rams certainly control enough of their destiny to take the division at 8-8. The Ninets would obviously have to stumble, but I certainly don't believe in them yet.

[Danny]

Rams will not make the playoffs this year, no chance. Still a good trade though as it should help Bradford's development and confidence.

[Matthean]

I know they are 0-5, but the Rams certainly control enough of their destiny to take the division at 8-8. The Ninets would obviously have to stumble, but I certainly don't believe in them yet.

You are saying the 49ers go 3-7 while playing in that division.

[stevew]

I dont think the Niners are an upper echelon team. Just looking forward, they have 5 games after the break that aren't vs the AFC West. Vs Browns, Vs Steelers, @Ravens, @Redskins, @Giants. That's probably not an 0-5, but it could be if the Alex Smith magic goes away.

The Rams have 6 divisional games plus 5 other games that they won't be favored in.

All I'm saying is that if the Rams and Niners are playing week 17 for the 8-8 NFC West divisional title, I'm not going to be super-shocked. Obviously the Rams need to make a move now.

[Matthean]

I dont think the Niners are an upper echelon team. Just looking forward, they have 5 games after the break that aren't vs the AFC West. Vs Browns, Vs Steelers, @Ravens, @Redskins, @Giants. That's probably not an 0-5, but it could be if the Alex Smith magic goes away.

The Rams have 6 divisional games plus 5 other games that they won't be favored in.

All I'm saying is that if the Rams and Niners are playing week 17 for the 8-8 NFC West divisional title, I'm not going to be super-shocked. Obviously the Rams need to make a move now.

Redskins, Giants, and Browns are doable. The Rams would have to go 8-3 with Dallas, NO, S.F. twice, and Pitt on the more difficult side and there are some others as well. I just don't see that big of a swing coming.

[kingfc22]

I dont think the Niners are an upper echelon team. Just looking forward, they have 5 games after the break that aren't vs the AFC West. Vs Browns, Vs Steelers, @Ravens, @Redskins, @Giants. That's probably not an 0-5, but it could be if the Alex Smith magic goes away.

The Rams have 6 divisional games plus 5 other games that they won't be favored in.

All I'm saying is that if the Rams and Niners are playing week 17 for the 8-8 NFC West divisional title, I'm not going to be super-shocked. Obviously the Rams need to make a move now.

I don't think they are anywhere near the NE/GB atmosphere, but I'd be very shocked if this team that beat Detroit and Philadelphia on the road from behind and destroyed a 4-2 Tampa team does not win 10 games this year. Especially considering they still have 5 NFC West games left and are currently 5-1.

[MizzouRah]

The question I have for tonight is... can Tomlinson get me 1 FF point so I can win this week?

[Matthean]

Redskins and Vikes will announce who their QBs will be on Wednesday. I'm betting there's changes.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The question I have for tonight is... can Tomlinson get me 1 FF point so I can win this week?

Your odds of that are probably at least as good as me getting the 14 I need from the Jets defense.

[cuervo72]

Disagree with a punt there. You're 0-4, go for the 1st on 4th and inches at the 40. Don't care what the result of the punt was.

[larrymcg421]

Disagree with a punt there. You're 0-4, go for the 1st on 4th and inches at the 40. Don't care what the result of the punt was.

Agreed, and if you're gonna pass on third and short like that, you need to be prepared to go for it on 4th down. Looks like it worked out here, but the problem with the Fins in the Sparano era has been overly conservative playcalling and this was another sign of it.

[MizzouRah]

Your odds of that are probably at least as good as me getting the 14 I need from the Jets defense.

You're probably right there. :)

Edit: Revis for pick 6.. you are on your way!

[stevew]

Matt Moore kills my gimme FG. That ought to help Jon's defense score.

[BlackJack]

Can the Dolphins be relegated to the arena league

[Glengoyne]

So has Revis reached that Michael Jordan level of whistle swallowing?

[bulletsponge]

wtf marshall? you get wide open but you then run out of bounds instead of a td?

[Big Fo]

Marshall is all-in on Suck for Luck. He skillfully avoided a TD there while making it look like he lost his balance.

[thesloppy]

an aside: what is the value in hiring a spokesperson whose identity needs to be explicitly laid out for the audience? I am totally going to switch car insurance, now that a transvestite caveman has introduced me to Brian Orakpo.

[Glengoyne]

wtf marshall? you get wide open but you then run out of bounds instead of a td?

You know I fell for the hype, and drafted him for my fantasy team. Heck, in just the handful of plays I've watched here with him isolated, I think he might be the single laziest dog it every other down receiver I've ever noticed.

Not to mention that he's self confessed that he's been medically diagnosed as an asshole.

[RainMaker]

an aside: what is the value in hiring a spokesperson whose identity needs to be explicitly laid out for the audience? I am totally going to switch car insurance, now that a transvestite caveman has introduced me to Brian Orakpo.
Orakpo and Justin Tuck have the best agents in sports.

[RomaGoth]

Haven't had a chance to read this thread but just wanted to mention that the loss by the Lions yesterday was brutal. Give a lot of credit to the niners defense, but I have to question some of the decisions by Stafford and the offensive playcalling by Detroit was sketchy at times.

Ah well, 5-1 is still better than 0-6....

[cuervo72]

an aside: what is the value in hiring a spokesperson whose identity needs to be explicitly laid out for the audience? I am totally going to switch car insurance, now that a transvestite caveman has introduced me to Brian Orakpo.

That's national? I'd assumed it was tailored by locale and locally shot (low production values ftw!).

[larrymcg421]

Total Yards: Dolphins 215, Jets 100
Score: Jets 14, Dolphins 6

This is Sparano-ball.

Example: Last year Dolphins outgained their opponents in 10 games, but only had 7 wins to show for it.

[larrymcg421]

Ummmmm. Did the Dolphins really just punt from the 35 yard line?

[jbergey22]

Ummmmm. Did the Dolphins really just punt from the 35 yard line?

They cant get Luck if they win games. They are probably keeping him around as the head coach this season to do what he does best. Find ways to lose games they should win.

[jbergey22]

On this subject of franchise QBs. How good are the Colts making Peyton Manning look right now? Based on what we are seeing Manning is worth 10+ wins to a team each year.

[stevew]

Ummmmm. Did the Dolphins really just punt from the 35 yard line?

4th and 17

[bhlloy]

I wonder if Luck is going to have a list of teams he doesn't want to play for - and if so would Miami be on that list? Personally I wouldn't want to play for Sparano but if they do go 1-15 that's not going to be a problem any more.

[stevew]

Now that the money isn't a big deal, I wonder if we will see any FU holdouts. Luck playing wherever he wants to wouldn't cost him as much salary as it previously would.

[larrymcg421]

4th and 17

52 yard Field Goal? Carpenter is 6-11 50+ in his career.

[bhlloy]

Now that the money isn't a big deal, I wonder if we will see any FU holdouts. Luck playing wherever he wants to wouldn't cost him as much salary as it previously would.

It's always the all-world once in a lifetime players that consider it (Lindros, Elway). And he doesn't need the money. Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Assuming the Colts are in the top 10 and he's willing to learn from Manning for a year or two I can definitely see him telling every one else that he wants to go there.

[stevew]

Matt Moore is taking the Suck for Luck thing too literally.

[MikeVic]

Why is this stupid handshake thing still a headline... it's making me not go to football news sites.

[Big Fo]

It's always the all-world once in a lifetime players that consider it (Lindros, Elway).

Don't forget Danny Ferry.

[stevew]

JIMGA gave Matt Moore his fantasy game ball this week

[stevew]

Dola-

Moore promptly turned it over.

[larrymcg421]

Brandon Marshall with perhaps the most worthless 100 yard receiving game in NFL history.

[Vince, Pt. II]

On this subject of franchise QBs. How good are the Colts making Peyton Manning look right now? Based on what we are seeing Manning is worth 10+ wins to a team each year.

If I had a vote, I would give Peyton the MVP this year. Seriously.

[molson]

I'm not sure the Dolphins get enough national credit for being a terrible franchise....(or, whatever the opposite is of "credit"). 1 Playoff game in a decade (which they lost). If the Bills and Lions make the playoffs this year, I think the Dolphins may stand alone as the worst franchise of the 21st century.

[MizzouRah]

Thank you Tomlinson!

[RedKingGold]

I'm not sure the Dolphins get enough national credit for being a terrible franchise....(or, whatever the opposite is of "credit"). 1 Playoff game in a decade (which they lost). If the Bills and Lions make the playoffs this year, I think the Dolphins may stand alone as the worst franchise of the 21st century.

Cleveland Browns?

[Matthean]

I'm not sure the Dolphins get enough national credit for being a terrible franchise....(or, whatever the opposite is of "credit"). 1 Playoff game in a decade (which they lost). If the Bills and Lions make the playoffs this year, I think the Dolphins may stand alone as the worst franchise of the 21st century.

Miami was ok kind of bad, or at least had a pulse at times. Lions had a stretch of 2-30. They have two streaks of losing on the road to divisional teams that date back to 1995 and beyond. Before this year the Lions were something like 1-17 in divisional road games. The sad thing about the 0-16 team is you could tell they were actually trying.

One name that hasn't gotten tossed around in the Miami debacle is Bill Parcells. I know he's not there anymore, but the decisions he made have had a huge impact right now. Ireland and Sparano were his guys.

[JonInMiddleGA]

JIMGA gave Matt Moore his fantasy game ball this week

He deserves it, for saving me the embarrassment of losing to a team that was previously 0-5 and included an inactive IR on their roster.

[jbergey22]

If I had a vote, I would give Peyton the MVP this year. Seriously.

He would deserve for all of the years being underrated.

While Cassell has proved he is a solid NFL QB the Pats were a 11 win team without Brady.

This does make you wonder if the Colts have had that much talent over the years or if Manning has just been that good.

[stevew]

Mike Sims Walker must be a horrible person. Not tendered after his third year in Jacksonville, despite being their #1WR on paper. Then got cut by the Rams, a WR starved franchise.

[bhlloy]

Couple of random thoughts after finally getting to see all the highlights from this week

Is Jimmy Graham going to be even better than Gates and even Gonzalez? He's breaking some of those records already which is insane considering he played one year of college and no HS before that.

Has anyone's star risen and then fallen as fast as Peyton Hillis? From nobody to Madden cover boy and well on the way to being nobody again. Probably cost himself millions of dollars so far this season and what a cautionary tale about crappy agents and taking bad advice.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

If I had a vote, I would give Peyton the MVP this year. Seriously.

While I agree that Peyton is a great player, at the same time a lot of these Colts problems would have been apparent even with him. The defense is terrible. The team is old and hasn't drafted any impact players. Peyton would have masked this to some degree, but to what degree? Would they have won 12 games with Peyton and the rest of this team? 10?

[bronconick]

While I agree that Peyton is a great player, at the same time a lot of these Colts problems would have been apparent even with him. The defense is terrible. The team is old and hasn't drafted any impact players. Peyton would have masked this to some degree, but to what degree? Would they have won 12 games with Peyton and the rest of this team? 10?

8 or 9. They're on the downswing, but still might have won that division given Houston's skill at giving away games.

[gstelmack]

While I agree that Peyton is a great player, at the same time a lot of these Colts problems would have been apparent even with him. The defense is terrible. The team is old and hasn't drafted any impact players. Peyton would have masked this to some degree, but to what degree? Would they have won 12 games with Peyton and the rest of this team? 10?

I think if you look at brother Eli you'll see what horrible receivers can do. While he's certainly made bad throws, he has receivers that are borderline actively TRYING to make him look bad. At least Peyton has had receivers that can get open and make a catch.

So he hasn't had the worst team in football behind him, but he has certainly added a few wins per year to the team.

[bronconick]

Miami was ok kind of bad, or at least had a pulse at times. Lions had a stretch of 2-30. They have two streaks of losing on the road to divisional teams that date back to 1995 and beyond. Before this year the Lions were something like 1-17 in divisional road games. The sad thing about the 0-16 team is you could tell they were actually trying.

One name that hasn't gotten tossed around in the Miami debacle is Bill Parcells. I know he's not there anymore, but the decisions he made have had a huge impact right now. Ireland and Sparano were his guys.

You're forgetting Detroit's two separate 20+ game road losing streaks in the last decade.

[cuervo72]

Your posts make Philadelphia look like a sympathetic figure/entity. I thank you.

(bows head)

FWIW -

Shanahan didn’t see how Lichtensteiger injured his knee on a play left tackle Trent Williams called “dirty.” The coach also hasn’t been able to find film that showed the injury, either.

Chris Russell said the same on 980. Wasn't in the broadcast, couldn't find it on film. So I can't say that the play wasn't dirty, but I'm not sure how one can give a detailed description of it either.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

http://www.dabears.com/keg/bears/gifs/gruden_jaws_tirico_awkwardpounds.gif

[Rizon]

Miami was ok kind of bad, or at least had a pulse at times. Lions had a stretch of 2-30. They have two streaks of losing on the road to divisional teams that date back to 1995 and beyond. Before this year the Lions were something like 1-17 in divisional road games. The sad thing about the 0-16 team is you could tell they were actually trying.

One name that hasn't gotten tossed around in the Miami debacle is Bill Parcells. I know he's not there anymore, but the decisions he made have had a huge impact right now. Ireland and Sparano were his guys.

Parcells is the worst thing to happen to Miami since Sammie Smith.

[Rizon]

Ireland and Sparano were his guys.

And again, I wake up on a Monday morning after another Suckfins loss and Ireland and Sparano still have jobs.

I wonder what these guys have to do to get fired. Course, with an owner like Ross you never know.

[Butter]

Um, it's Tuesday.

[Logan]

Glazer reporting that Palmer is being traded to Oakland for a 2012 1st plus a conditional pick. Insane if true.