NFL Week 7 Thread

[DeToxRox]

Week 7 features another exciting slate of prime time games .. Oh wait, no it doesn't. On SNF we have the Saints and Colts and on MNF we have the Jags and Ravens.

Awesome.

[Rizon]

Rex Grossman being benched for a guy that's thrown like 5 career passes and wasn't even good enough for the Dolphins?

Shocking!

[RendeR]

There is not a single game this week where a winning record faces another winning record.


I guarantee that the Bengals will not lose this week.

[JediKooter]

I predict the Jets will beat the Chargers.

[Ksyrup]

As a follow-up to my post in the Week 6 thread about the Ronnie Brown/Jerome Harrison trade being voided...


As Philadelphia Eagles (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-eagles) doctors were giving newly acquired running back Jerome Harrison (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/9731/jerome-harrison) his physical, they discovered a brain tumor that nullified a trade with the Detroit Lions (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/det/detroit-lions), according to two league sources.

Wow.

[Antmeister]

I predict the Jets will beat the Chargers.

Stop it. You have no reason to agree with what my gut is telling me as well.

[JediKooter]

Stop it. You have no reason to agree with what my gut is telling me as well.

Haha! Ok ok. If this was a playoff game, the Jets would definitely beat the Chargers, but, since this is a regular season game...they have a chance to not lose.

[SirFozzie]

File under "Stupid NFL Tricks"

Fines handed out this week'
Chop Block: $7.5K
Flashing the middle finger to the other team's sideline: $7.5K
Calling your wife on the team doctor's phone after suffering a concussion to assure them you're ok: $10K (for: Illegal use of a cell phone)


Stupid idiots in the NFL

[MikeVic]

File under "Stupid NFL Tricks"

Fines handed out this week'
Chop Block: $7.5K
Flashing the middle finger to the other team's sideline: $7.5K
Calling your wife on the team doctor's phone after suffering a concussion to assure them you're ok: $10K (for: Illegal use of a cell phone)


Stupid idiots in the NFL

I believe two Packers got fined $5k each for wearing yellow shoes lol.

[jbergey22]

Thanks to all of the Tebow lovers the Broncos/Dolphins line is now a Pick em game in Vegas. It would appear there is a lot of value in taking the winless Dolphins this week.

Apparently Tony Sparano needs to win this game in order to keep his job as well. I cant see the Dolphins not playing their asses off to keep their jobs for next season and to not let Tebow shine in their own state.

[tucker rocky]

There is not a single game this week where a winning record faces another winning record.


I guarantee that the Bengals will not lose this week.

SD(4-1) at Jets(3-3)
Texans(3-3) at Titans(3-2)
Falcons(3-3) at Lions(5-1)
Bears(3-3) vs Bucs(4-2) in London

:)

[Passacaglia]

Winning record usually means *better than* .500

[Thomkal]

Hmmmm no Panthers game here in Myrtle Beach on either channel that gets it-showing the game in London instead.

[Thomkal]

not getting the Tebow game either, so let us know how he looks.

[Thomkal]

Hmmmm no Panthers game here in Myrtle Beach on either channel that gets it-showing the game in London instead.

Somebody apparantly hit the wrong button-Panthers game back on with both channels

[stevew]

Seattle killed their first drive into 3rd and 31.

[cuervo72]

I think that was FOX-wide just for the anthems.

Nice run by Newton. Wow.

[Thomkal]

I think that was FOX-wide just for the anthems.

Nice run by Newton. Wow.

Ah I see I didn't stick around for the anthem when I saw they were at the London game. I hope it was good ;)

[Thomkal]

Panthers should have gone for the TD on 4th and 1, especially with Newton having 5 running TD's so far.

[stevew]

I wish the London game was televised here. 2 channels of watching Colt McCoy suck going on instead.

[cuervo72]

The woman who sang God Save the Queen wasn't too bad.

(and she could sing ok)

[stevew]

Whitehurst is every bit as bad as advertised.

[Thomkal]

Uh John Beck, not so good there...threw a pass that should have been intercepted, got another tipped at line of scrimmage, then got sacked and fumbled the ball away to Carolina. Rex Grossman better have his helmet on if that keeps up. :)

[Shkspr]

Already a near pick or two and a QB fumble for Washington...at some point you have to think about getting Grossman out of there and see what Beck has.


Oh, riiiiiiiiiight...

[cuervo72]

Wonder if Brian Mitchell is in the stadium and available.

[TroyF]

Tebow looks poor in the pocket thus far (huge shock)

The running game looks better, I think as a major result of Tebow. (people staying at home more preparing for him to run out)

3-4, 24 yards, 3 rushes, 19 yards, 1 sack (his fault) 1 of the runs was not his fault.

As I typed this on a 2nd and 10, Tebow stayed in the pocket and threw a pass to Eddie Royal in tight coverage. The pass was thrown about as good as you can throw a football and it went through Eddie's hands.

Prater has missed 2 FG in this game. Dolphine 3-0,

Finishing this up, Tebow was drilled hard and should have thrown an INT on a 3rd and 10 (tipped ball)

The Dolphin who hit him got called for a roughing the QB and he clearly hit him square on the head. Good call. Broncos ball at the 25.

As I finished typing the post, McGahee busts out for a 10 yard run and fumbles. Dolphins ball at the Denver 40.

[Schmidty]

HORRIBLE fucking call on Vandenbosh for roughing the passer. Garbage.

[JonInMiddleGA]

2 mins left in the first half, Atlanta leads Detroit 10-6. Falcons have 79 yds total offense, Lions have 75 yds.

edit: Naturally, while I'm typing that little tidbit, Atlanta gets another 69 yds (and a TD) on like 4 plays

[MrBug708]

Incredible hand strength by White

[Shkspr]

Washington KNOWS they've won too many games to get Luck, right? No harm in trying Plan B and go for the Wild Card.

[mckerney]

Go Dolphins! Stop sucking for Luck!

[kingfc22]

The Titans defense is showing ZERO heart right now.

Houston absolutely doing anything they want.

[Thomkal]

The officiating in the Skins-Panthers game has been awful. Chris Gamble had a grip on both of Terrance Austin's arms well before the ball arrived with no call. He didn't even attempt to play the ball. This is also the first time I've ever seen a team jump offside and have the refs call the offensive team for holding when they grab the guy who jumped, wiping out the penalty.

Yeah that was just a bizarre call on the offsides/holding-refs will have a lot to answer for in this one after the game is over.

[kingfc22]

Matt Ryan with the "done for the year" looking knee injury.

The invisible sniper got him. (On second look, it looks like he was stepped on).

No bueno if you are a Falcons fan.

[Bearcat729]

Matt Ryan is down with an ankle injury, and it doesn't sound promising

[kingfc22]

Ryan walked off the field.

Glad to see that.

[larrymcg421]

17 of 30 for 99 yards. That's the combined numbers for the QB's in the Miami-Denver game.

[kingfc22]

And Miami going anti Suck for Luck today.

[larrymcg421]

Dolphins offense finally getting something done. 13-0 now.

[larrymcg421]

And Miami going anti Suck for Luck today.

I think the Broncos are just sucking harder. Before that last TD, the Fins couldn't have played much worse without making it as obvious as the Black Sox.

[Bearcat729]

The NFL needs to just call the Browns/Seahawks game a loss for both teams and put a stop to this right now.

[Scoobz0202]

How is ryan playing :|

http://oi52.tinypic.com/35k4yn8.jpg

[stevew]

The NFL needs to just call the Browns/Seahawks game a loss for both teams and put a stop to this right now.

This game sucks so fucking bad. I hate Moron Jr too. Colt McCoy is not going to be a good NFL QB no matter how much of a "winner" he has been in HS. And I'm guessing that Moron Jr drafted Red Bryant with all the fellatiating that's going on.

[stevew]

Dola.
Love how Sydney Rice went out of bounds untouched on the Seahawks first good offensive play


Also is the Browns/Seahawks game on in SC because of the residual Sydney Rice love?

[kingfc22]

The NFL needs to just call the Browns/Seahawks game a loss for both teams and put a stop to this right now.

Yes. There is some BAD football being played right now.

CLE/SEA, DEN/MIA, WAS/CAR all have been pretty awful.

[Easy Mac]

No. Only game is Carolina-Washington

[cuervo72]

I think the Broncos are just sucking harder. Before that last TD, the Fins couldn't have played much worse without making it as obvious as the Black Sox.

They are Tebowing for Luck.

[DeToxRox]

Mughelli's leg just got shredded.

[Radii]

Great throw and catch by Newton/Steve Smith, the second half has been so much better than the first. Not committing 3 penalties every drive helps I guess.

[Radii]

Touchdowns on 3 drives in a row for Carolina!

[larrymcg421]

Miami hasn't given up on Luck yet.

[mauchow]

I've got good games (jets/chargers and lions/falcons) on my TV but after the Wisconsin game last night I'm just football'd out right now... and I know being a Vikings fan won't help causes in 15 minutes.. lol

[mauchow]

Wish I could have seen the last few minutes of the Denver/Miami game. Looked like a good one.

[kingfc22]

Miami hasn't given up on Luck yet.

They sure have not.

[Scoobz0202]

I hope Denver wins this just so I can see the Tebow love, and I hate the adulation of Tebow. I love how he throws a wounded duck over the middle and we hear " That was a great pass!"

[Scoobz0202]

I wonder what Tebow's clutch factor will be in the QBR.

[Rizon]

Oh those Dolphins, lmao

[Scoobz0202]

phantom hold on the Lions?

[TroyF]

I hope Denver wins this just so I can see the Tebow love, and I hate the adulation of Tebow. I love how he throws a wounded duck over the middle and we hear " That was a great pass!"

What? Look, I'm not a Tebow fanboy and if he's the QB he was the first three quarters, he's not going to last long.

But that pass was picture perfect. No, it wasn't a tight spiral, but the accuracy was where only his guy could catch it and away from danger. It was a great catch by the TE, but no more of a great catch than the drop by Willis two plays earlier.

[kingfc22]

Orton looked a little too happy about calling the wrong side of the coin to lose the coin toss. :popcorn: :devil:

[Bearcat729]

Red Bryant of the Seahawks ejected with 1 minute to go in the game. Now Mora won't have anyone to talk about

[Young Drachma]

Good job Jets.

[Radii]

Red Bryant of the Seahawks ejected with 1 minute to go in the game. Now Mora won't have anyone to talk about

Just saw the highlight of that on Direct TV's red zone... astoundingly stupid.

[kingfc22]

Rivers throws the ball away on 4th down and the Chargers lose.

He must have thought it was 3rd down...right???

[JonInMiddleGA]

With the absence of Manning, Tebow is quite likely the most interesting thing about the NFL to me this year. I figure that means he'll throw a pick six in OT or something.

I know this much, I'm more interested in a Tebow win than I am in a Falcons win. I guess that's in part because Calvin is probably the next closest thing in the league to being someone I'd actively root for but still.

[cuervo72]

Hmm. Maybe the NFL gets a tie this season.

edit: and as I submit, they fumble.

[Rizon]

Hmm. Maybe the NFL gets a tie this season.

edit: and as I submit, they fumble.

Yeah, no way are the Celebriphins good enough to tie.-

[Rizon]

Can Sparano/Ireland survive this week in Miami??? Looooooooooooooooooool

[jbergey22]

Can Sparano/Ireland survive this week in Miami??? Looooooooooooooooooool

Nope. This was the capper. Blowing a 15 point lead with 3 minutes left in the game.

Tebow is so lucky. That first TD was such an awful throw.

[Rizon]

9 straight losses for the LOLphins and like 1-12 at home in last 13 home games.

[Matthean]

Stafford in 3 of his past 4 games has a completion percentage of 48.8%, 56%, and 46.9%. Um, that's not good.

[Rizon]

Stafford in 3 of his past 4 games has a completion percentage of 48.8%, 56%, and 46.9%. Um, that's not good.

Was able to catch the last 2 Lions games on TV, and man he's been awful. He's had the accuracy of a drunken blind man that died 3 years ago.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Haterz gonna hate but Denver is just two games out of the lead in the AFC west.

[Pumpy Tudors]

What? Look, I'm not a Tebow fanboy and if he's the QB he was the first three quarters, he's not going to last long.

But that pass was picture perfect. No, it wasn't a tight spiral, but the accuracy was where only his guy could catch it and away from danger. It was a great catch by the TE, but no more of a great catch than the drop by Willis two plays earlier.
The pass ended up in a perfect spot, but a great pass puts a spiral in the perfect spot. It's almost like Tebow got the ball there by accident. If Tim Tebow was trying to throw the pass like that... well, heaven help us all.

[mauchow]

Boller with his second pick already.. think Palmer is warming up yet?

[whomario]

Is Palmer active ? Boller with 2 Ints in his first 3 passes ...

[cuervo72]

Wonder if Palmer will be in game shape and ready to run the OAK offense by halftime.

[mckerney]

Dammit Miami...

[cuervo72]

Haterz gonna hate but Denver is just two games out of the lead in the AFC west.

Realists gonna realize.

(against an NFL team, he doesn't fare that well)

[JPhillips]

Hardesty got 95 yards on 33 carries.

I wonder what the record is for most carries without getting to 100 yards.

[Julio Riddols]

I find it odd that a QB like Palmer can be "not in game shape" - He doesn't run the ball anywhere, and just about anyone off the street can throw a football 40 times without feeling too much fatigue. I guess either way Bollers performance isn't gonna raise any questions as to who should be starting in two weeks.

[Julio Riddols]

Hardesty got 95 yards on 33 carries.

I wonder what the record is for most carries without getting to 100 yards.

Not sure, but I would almost guarantee Eddie George owns that record.

Edit: George does have a game against PIT in 2000 where he ran 34 times for 98. Not sure if thats the most, but..

[Matthean]

Was able to catch the last 2 Lions games on TV, and man he's been awful. He's had the accuracy of a drunken blind man that died 3 years ago.

Part of the problem with Stafford being injured so much people assumed he would be really good based on limited viewing. His accuracy issues is rather surprising though.

Turner getting 100+ yards I think was one of the safer bets coming into today. The DL might be able to create a bunch of pressure, but it matters little when a team can jam it down your throat.

[Matthean]

I find it odd that a QB like Palmer can be "not in game shape" - He doesn't run the ball anywhere, and just about anyone off the street can throw a football 40 times without feeling too much fatigue. I guess either way Bollers performance isn't gonna raise any questions as to who should be starting in two weeks.

See McNabb.

[larrymcg421]

Hardesty got 95 yards on 33 carries.

I wonder what the record is for most carries without getting to 100 yards.

According to pro-football-reference.com, the top 10 are:

<table class="sortable stats_table" id="stats"><thead><tr class=""><th class="ranker sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="center">Rk</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Player</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="center">Age</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="center">Date</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="center">Lg</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Tm</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="center">
</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="center">Opp</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="left">Result</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="right">G#</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc sorttable_nosort" align="center">W#</th> <th class="tooltip sort_default_asc" align="left">Day</th> <th class="tooltip" align="center">Att</th> <th class="tooltip" align="center">Yds</th> <th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" align="center">Y/A</th> <th class="tooltip" align="center">TD</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody> <tr data-row="0" class=""> <td align="right">1</td> <td align="left">Jamie Morris (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MorrJa00.htm)</td> <td align="right">24-159</td> <td align="left">1989-11-12 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198911120phi.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1989/)</td> <td align="left">WAS (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/1989.htm)</td> <td align="right">@</td> <td align="left">PHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/1989.htm)</td> <td align="left">W 10-3</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">38</td> <td align="right">88</td> <td align="right">2.32</td> <td align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr data-row="1" class=""> <td align="right">2</td> <td align="left">James Allen (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlleJa00.htm)</td> <td align="right">25-257</td> <td align="left">2000-12-10 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200012100chi.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/)</td> <td align="left">CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2000.htm)</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2000.htm)</td> <td align="left">W 24-17</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">15</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">37</td> <td align="right">97</td> <td align="right">2.62</td> <td align="right">1</td> </tr> <tr data-row="2" class=""> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">Fred Taylor (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TaylFr00.htm)</td> <td align="right">29-241</td> <td align="left">2005-09-25 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200509250nyj.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2005/)</td> <td align="left">JAX (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/jax/2005.htm)</td> <td align="right">@</td> <td align="left">NYJ (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyj/2005.htm)</td> <td align="left">W 26-20</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="right">3</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">37</td> <td align="right">98</td> <td align="right">2.65</td> <td align="right">1</td> </tr> <tr data-row="3" class=""> <td align="right">4</td> <td align="left">Edgerrin James (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JameEd00.htm)</td> <td align="right">28-076</td> <td align="left">2006-10-16 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200610160crd.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2006/)</td> <td align="left">ARI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/2006.htm)</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/2006.htm)</td> <td align="left">L 23-24</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="left">Mon</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">36</td> <td align="right">55</td> <td align="right">1.53</td> <td align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr data-row="4" class=""> <td align="right">5</td> <td align="left">Walter Payton (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PaytWa00.htm)*</td> <td align="right">22-105</td> <td align="left">1976-11-07 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197611070chi.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1976/)</td> <td align="left">CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1976.htm)</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">OAK (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/1976.htm)</td> <td align="left">L 27-28</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">36</td> <td align="right">97</td> <td align="right">2.69</td> <td align="right">3</td> </tr> <tr data-row="5" class=""> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="left">Heath Sherman (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SherHe00.htm)</td> <td align="right">24-193</td> <td align="left">1991-10-06 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199110060tam.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1991/)</td> <td align="left">PHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/1991.htm)</td> <td align="right">@</td> <td align="left">TAM (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/1991.htm)</td> <td align="left">L 13-14</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="right">6</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">35</td> <td align="right">89</td> <td align="right">2.54</td> <td align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr data-row="6" class=""> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="left">Eddie George (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GeorEd00.htm)</td> <td align="right">27-042</td> <td align="left">2000-11-05 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200011050oti.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2000/)</td> <td align="left">TEN (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/oti/2000.htm)</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">PIT (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2000.htm)</td> <td align="left">W 9-7</td> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">34</td> <td align="right">98</td> <td align="right">2.88</td> <td align="right">0</td> </tr> <tr data-row="7" class=""> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="left">Arlen Harris (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HarrAr00.htm)</td> <td align="right">23-187</td> <td align="left">2003-10-26 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200310260pit.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/)</td> <td align="left">STL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/ram/2003.htm)</td> <td align="right">@</td> <td align="left">PIT (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2003.htm)</td> <td align="left">W 33-21</td> <td align="right">7</td> <td align="right">8</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">34</td> <td align="right">81</td> <td align="right">2.38</td> <td align="right">3</td> </tr> <tr data-row="8" class=""> <td align="right">9</td> <td align="left">Lydell Mitchell (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MitcLy00.htm)</td> <td align="right">26-205</td> <td align="left">1975-12-21 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/197512210clt.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1975/)</td> <td align="left">BAL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/clt/1975.htm)</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">NWE (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/1975.htm)</td> <td align="left">W 34-21</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="right">14</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">34</td> <td align="right">98</td> <td align="right">2.88</td> <td align="right">1</td> </tr> <tr data-row="9" class=""> <td align="right">10</td> <td align="left">James Wilder (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WildJa00.htm)</td> <td align="right">26-183</td> <td align="left">1984-11-11 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/198411110tam.htm)</td> <td align="left">NFL (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1984/)</td> <td align="left">TAM (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/tam/1984.htm)</td> <td align="right">
</td> <td align="left">NYG (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nyg/1984.htm)</td> <td align="left">W 20-17</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="right">11</td> <td align="left">Sun</td> <td class=" highlight_text" align="right">34</td> <td align="right">99</td> <td align="right">2.91</td> <td align="right">1</td></tr></tbody></table>

[JonInMiddleGA]

Realists gonna realize.

(against an NFL team, he doesn't fare that well)

How many of those are there in the AFC West at the moment?

Boller? Boller?
The Chargers just conjured the Schottenheimer era against the Jets.
The Chiefs may be the best team in the division at the moment & they aren't really the surest bet in the world.

I'm not saying it's likely, I'm just pointing out the possibilities that's all.

[larrymcg421]

Not sure, but I would almost guarantee Eddie George owns that record.

Edit: George does have a game against PIT in 2000 where he ran 34 times for 98. Not sure if thats the most, but..

Eddie does have the record for most rushing attempts (315) without getting 1000 yards in a season.

[mauchow]

Perhaps Ponder is the real deal...

[Julio Riddols]

Eddie does have the record for most rushing attempts (315) without getting 1000 yards in a season.

Yeah, George was one of the worst "great" backs I have ever seen. That game Edgerrin James had though.. Wow.

[Julio Riddols]

Perhaps Ponder is the real deal...

From what I have seen so far, this rookie QB class might be one of the best there has been in a while after all the talk about how weak it was.

[stevew]

Mike Wallace is amazing

[mauchow]

Brian Robison just kicked a Packer in the nuts after an extra point - the rule for the penalty should be enforced differently; especially now with the increase in touchbacks.

Perhaps after the next 'play' so instead of on the kickoff it should be wherever the ball ends up. So if it's a touchback it should be half the distance to the goal line, etc.

[TroyF]

The pass ended up in a perfect spot, but a great pass puts a spiral in the perfect spot. It's almost like Tebow got the ball there by accident. If Tim Tebow was trying to throw the pass like that... well, heaven help us all.

I watched every play of John Elway's career. (really, I"m a sports geek if you guys are just figuring this out) He didn't always throw spirals. The goal is to get the ball in the spot it needs to get to. It may have been an accident, but we can never know what the QB was trying to do. All I know is the ball went to a perfect spot. It couldn't have went to a more perfect spot.

Another poster above talked about the horrible throw on the first TD pass. I think in context the throw is a little bit better. First off, he evaded an unblocked blitzer from his blind side. Then he ran against his body to make that throw.

It's funny, there were at least 10 throws today Tebow made you could look at and say "no way in hell an NFL QB throws the ball like that" The swing pass four feet over Moreno's head. The pass to the sideline that ended up between a mid range Royal and a deep Thomas. Missing a wide open Decker by 15 yards. I mean, I can come up with a crapload of em off the top of my head.

His most impressive throw of the day in my mind was the 43 yarder to Willis. Not because it was a very tough throw, but he stepped up in the pocket and hit him in stride. That was a solid throw. The TD and the diving catch by the TE were thrown where they were needed to be and they worked.

If he throws the ball like he did the first 3 quarters, he's got about 10 games left as an NFL starting QB. If he throws the ball like he did the last quarter, he'll be the starter in Denver next year.

[JPhillips]

Yeah, George was one of the worst "great" backs I have ever seen. That game Edgerrin James had though.. Wow.

Why would you keep giving the ball to a guy that can barely break 1.5 ypc? Nothing but QB sneaks could probably break that average.

Thanks for the info larry.

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, and that was in a 1 point loss.

[larrymcg421]

Why would you keep giving the ball to a guy that can barely break 1.5 ypc? Nothing but QB sneaks could probably break that average.

That was the infamous Denny Green blowup game. The Cards took a 23-3 lead and went into a prevent offense. They were just running out the clock and praying they could hold on. Edgerrin's game is even worse when you consider his critical 4th quarter fumble.

Thanks for the info larry.
No problem. The PFR play index is a fun tool to play with to find oddities like that.

[Julio Riddols]

I was wondering how you looked that up.. I was trying to figure out a way to get that stat too.

[Scoobz0202]

Boller making the Raiders giving up a lot for a passable QB not look so bad??

[jbergey22]

Another poster above talked about the horrible throw on the first TD pass. I think in context the throw is a little bit better. First off, he evaded an unblocked blitzer from his blind side. Then he ran against his body to make that throw.



His team won the game. Whether it was pretty or not I guess it doesnt matter in this case but with that pass.....

After he eluded the blitzer any marginal high school qb could have made that throw easily. Tebow threw it way too hard and completely off target. That catch Williams made on that was amazing. I have no idea how he was able come up with it at the speed Tebow threw that ball. Its not like he had a tight window to fit that in.

[mckerney]

Classic Husain Abdullah.

[tucker rocky]

Wow Vikings, letting Jennings get so wide open.

[RedKingGold]

Tamba Hali doing his best Kimo impression on Carson Palmer's knee during his first pass as a Raider.

[mauchow]

It was just a matter of time for the Packers to pull away and pull away quickly.

[Julio Riddols]

Aaron Rodgers should just change his name to QB Robot X or something like that.

[kingfc22]

Aaron Rodgers should just change his name to QB Robot X or something like that.

Or MVP

[Scoobz0202]

Will we ever see a non-QB or RB win the MVP again?

[mckerney]

Perhaps Ponder is the real deal...

7/16 54 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT after his first pass, perhaps not.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Amazing to see the turnaround from the Chiefs. They're looking like the division champs of last year now. Playing with a ton of confidence. Great part for the Chiefs is that their divisional remaining schedule is very favorable:

Home: Raiders, Chargers, Broncos
Road: Broncos

We'll see if they can keep it up.

[Fonzie]

And Woodson takes a bow.

My oh my.

[Julio Riddols]

Woo!! We got a 1st and 2nd for that guy!

[Fonzie]

Aikman, immediately after Ponder's second pick: "I think Christian Ponder has had a nice outing."

[mckerney]

7/16 54 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT after his first pass, perhaps not.

Make that 7/18 54 yd, 1 TD, 2 INT

[Fonzie]

Mason Crosby is sure earning that new contract. Wowza.

[Danny]

That was a heck of a run by Peterson there. Shame his team is so bad

[Julio Riddols]

Its crazy.. I am sure the only throws Palmer can make anymore are dumpoffs, sideline comebacks, and short out routes.

[Karlifornia]

Palmer looks terrrrrrible. He hasn't played in a while, so it could just be rust, but not a good start.

[Bearcat729]

Will we ever see a non-QB or RB win the MVP again?

I'd say Calvin Johnson in Detroit would be 2nd on my MVP ballot behind Rodgers right now.

[RedKingGold]

Once upon a time, I was a big fan of Kevin Kolb, but he looks really bad out there.

[Matthean]

Combined 0 TDs and 7 INTs in the Raiders/Chiefs match up. Has to rank rather high in terms of most INTs without a TD.

[cuervo72]

His team won the game. Whether it was pretty or not I guess it doesnt matter in this case but with that pass.....

After he eluded the blitzer any marginal high school qb could have made that throw easily.

I was gonna say, I had intramural games in college where I hit guys for bombs in-stride (one in a fantastic back-and-forth 41-38 style shootout). And I was no NFL quarterback, that's for sure.

[Scoobz0202]

I'd say Calvin Johnson in Detroit would be 2nd on my MVP ballot behind Rodgers right now.

Wes Welker would have to be in the convo, I'd think.

[mauchow]

Decent drive for Ponder. He's showing lots of good things to go along with the bad. I will be interested to see how he develops for the remainder of the season. On the second pick to Woodson, he's got to know that it's Woodson there and that he undercuts EVERYTHING, so he needs to float the ball over his receivers shoulders. That's stuff you learn as you go..

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Good lord. Raiders are just committing stupid penalties for the sake of keeping their league lead in that department.

[Rizon]

Ahhh, THERE are the Raiders we all know and love.

[JPhillips]

Palmer looks terrrrrrible. He hasn't played in a while, so it could just be rust, but not a good start.

I'm betting Hue Jackson doesn't sleep much over the next two weeks.

[Julio Riddols]

I think theyre just trying to keep Palmer off the field now.

[larrymcg421]

Rodgers is on the other team. Of course you go for it here.

edit: And they don't.

[Matthean]

Combined 0 TDs and 7 INTs in the Raiders/Chiefs match up. Has to rank rather high in terms of most INTs without a TD.

Make that 8 INTs. I hope whoever in Grantland's Bad QB League had the Raiders started the them today.

[larrymcg421]

Combined 0 TDs and 7 INTs in the Raiders/Chiefs match up. Has to rank rather high in terms of most INTs without a TD.

This one was harder to look up, but it looks like the record is a Lions-Redskins game from 1965 where the QB's combined for 10 INT's and 0 TD's.

But with the 8th INT, it does look like it ties the modern record set in 1982 by the Bills-Dolphins and matched in 1987 by the Chargers-Broncos.

[mckerney]

Damn, no help from Miami, St. Louis or Indy this week. :(

[Big Fo]

Great comeback loss by the Dolphins. I was worried about this game beforehand.

[cuervo72]

The only suspense regarding this game is if NBC can find a way to keep Al Michaels interested.

[Young Drachma]

Some fear Luck could make a power play | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/19/some-fear-luck-could-make-a-power-play/)

Luck isn't going to your crappy team(s). He's gonna pull an Eli and go where he wants.

[molson]

I think Palmer will be a little better than this, but I definitely think he's in that group of NFL QBs ranked 15-40 or so that really aren't that different from each other and can do OK or suck depending on the team and system....Kyle Boller is probably in that group too.

[RainMaker]

Colts are utter shit and I don't know how Caldwell keeps a job tomorrow morning.

[Danny]

I think Palmer will be a little better than this, but I definitely think he's in that group of NFL QBs ranked 15-40 or so that really aren't that different from each other and can do OK or suck depending on the team and system....Kyle Boller is probably in that group too.

The first part of your statement is certainly arguable. The second part is not. Boller should be out of the NFL

[Matthean]

Some fear Luck could make a power play | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/19/some-fear-luck-could-make-a-power-play/)

Luck isn't going to your crappy team(s). He's gonna pull an Eli and go where he wants.

It will be interesting to see who they would target as a team to go to considering a number of bad teams will have new coaching staffs.

Colts are utter shit and I don't know how Caldwell keeps a job tomorrow morning.

Just came here to make a similar comment. This is an utter and complete mail in job.

[Galaxy]

Tanking on purpose?

[molson]

Why would any coach, or any player, lose games on purpose when none of them would likely be anywhere near the franchise down the road when and if the #1 pick pays off? I've never understood why so many people claim this happens. I can see a new GM with job security have a younger team when they're not going to be that good, with the idea that you can develop players and probably get a high draft pick (and hold onto your job by claiming you're "rebuilding"), but I never bought that coaches and players are actually tanking games.

[spleen1015]

Time to take off my Colts colored glasses. I don't think this team would be very good with Manning healthy. The defense can't stop anyone.

[Matthean]

I know he's doing well in this game, but I have to admit Ingram has been disappointing so far. Before this game, he had 71 att., 238 yards(3.3 ave), and 3 TDs. Compare this to 47 att., 207 yards(4.4), and 6 TDs....by Cam Newton.

[Danny]

The funny thing is though, that I think Manning's injury and the team's performance this year cement his legacy more than if had been healthy and had a good season.

[RainMaker]

Why would any coach, or any player, lose games on purpose when none of them would likely be anywhere near the franchise down the road when and if the #1 pick pays off? I've never understood why so many people claim this happens. I can see a new GM with job security have a younger team when they're not going to be that good, with the idea that you can develop players and probably get a high draft pick (and hold onto your job by claiming you're "rebuilding"), but I never bought that coaches and players are actually tanking games.
No one is tanking. I just don't think anyone on that team gives a shit.

[B & B]

Ingram is not that good, hes like a Shonn Greene NFC style.

OTOH Jimmy Graham is the next Tony G. with upside.

I hope the team that drafts #1 trades Luck, just so I can grasp how much someone is willing to pay for him.

I mean, we can guess, but its a fuck ton. Literally. A FUCK TON.

Carson Palmer is worth a 1 and a 1/2???? Seriously?


LUCK has to be worth a FUCK TON.

I would start negotiations with this years top 10 first rounder, the next two years first rounders, then ask about the teams current pro-bowlers. Take a couple of them, a few other picks/young prospects and see how it shakes.

This trade could make the Ricky Williams / Hershel look like a bargain.

Lastly, for anyone who bets real money on football. dont take baltimore tomorrow, just dont.

[Mustang]

Not sure how much of the NFL lockout is part of this, but there are alot of bad and mediocre teams in the NFL this year.

[jbergey22]

Ingram is not that good, hes like a Shonn Greene NFC style.


Shonn Green is a very good comparison. Very similar in how they run the ball. Both of their stregths are cutback runs. When the linebackers arent overshooting their gaps these two struggle.

[jbergey22]

Not sure how much of the NFL lockout is part of this, but there are alot of bad and mediocre teams in the NFL this year.

A lot of young QBs in the league starting right now. Teams have started moving to the younger signal callers rather than sticking with the past their prime placeholders more quickly than they previously did.

I think these pass first offenses are making for more lopsided scores as well. Teams didnt previously pass 65 percent of the time.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Just getting to post this now...

My thoughts on the Lions last couple games:

Aren't there passes in the playbook that are shorter than 15 yards? It seems that the Lions are an "all or nothing" team on offense.

My fears of the backfield being too thin were kinda realized in camp, now I'm wondering when we'll see Eric Lynch start a game.

Was Hill even warming up at the end when Stafford was barefoot & a defensive stop on 3rd down would have given them the ball with a chance to tie the game?

The Lions looked like a defeated team at the end today. Even when they still had a chance. Just like the last drive last week... where they seemed to think that they needed to score on one play instead of moving the chains a bit. They have no consistency.

[Dutch]

Carson Palmer is worth a 1 and a 1/2???? Seriously?


Well, it's not like their GM has been able to sim as many seasons as we have. He just doesn't know that that 1st and 2nd could be better used picking up a stud WR. :)

[RainMaker]

Not sure how much of the NFL lockout is part of this, but there are alot of bad and mediocre teams in the NFL this year.
I think the rule changes over the years to not allow teams to really play defense has given teams that do have good QBs a huge advantage.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think the rule changes over the years to not allow teams to really play defense has given teams that do have good QBs a huge advantage.
Oh, good grief.

[gstelmack]

On Sparano / Ireland: how can anyone be questioning why they have their jobs? The team celebrated the 2008 Florida Gators National Championship team for crying out loud! Seriously, could you make a visiting team feel any more welcome? Besides rolling over and letting them score 15 points right at the end of the game plus the winning FG in overtime?

[miked]

I guess I'm in the camp of not understanding the Tebow hate. He may not have the most ability of the QBs around the league, but he's sort of the guy everyone should be rooting for. He's not an asshole, he doesn't shoot dogs, doesn't feed alcohol to underage chicks, doesn't need a bonus advance to pay his back child support, etc. In a league where people bitch about the morality and attitude of players, he's got it. Never complains, just tries to win. Sure, he had a great cast in Gainesville and played a different style, but he won. It would seem that his teammates play hard for him as well. Ask Jeff George how important that is. Ask Randy Moss if he played harder in NE than OAK.

His throws are ugly, he may be a bit over the top, he may be a bit self-righteous, but I think this view of Tebow as a franchise savior comes more from the media trying to stir shit up. Plus, I think the more hate he starts to get, the more I actually want to root for him.

[Ksyrup]

The pass ended up in a perfect spot, but a great pass puts a spiral in the perfect spot. It's almost like Tebow got the ball there by accident. If Tim Tebow was trying to throw the pass like that... well, heaven help us all.

I missed the game since we were at softball all afternoon, but I saw the highlights. Has he just decided to give up on trying to fix his motion? He was back to his old wind-up.

Also, isn't he like 6'2"? I don't know if it's his throwing motion or him being perpetually crouched like he's ready to run or get hit at a split-second's notice, but I swear he looks 6 inches shorter in the pocket than he should. The ball looks like it has to be thrown on an upward trajectory just to get it past the LOS. I guess that's part of the problem with his wind-up.

[JAG]

Another great tidbit from Pro Football Reference. Whitehurst joins Stan Gelbaugh as only Seahawks QBs with 30+ att. in a game and 97 or fewer yards.

[Butter]

he may be a bit over the top, he may be a bit self-righteous,

A bit??????

[Ksyrup]

Maybe Tebow can be the first "closer" in the NFL. Let someone else suck it up for 3 quarters, then bring him in to "provide the spark" and rally the team. Just like most closers would have a 5 ERA if they were consistently used as starters, maybe Tebow with a 105 QB rating for a quarter's work every week would be better than 4 quarters worth of a 60-70 rating.

[Ksyrup]

I think they should just go all-in with the dude and run a college offense for him. Seriously. Dude averaged 8 yards a carry. Let him run it 20 times a game, and then mix in some McGahee and have one or two of the receivers run the option with him. be creative. It would probably do wonders for his accuracy when they do pass.

That's the problem with the NFL. No imagination. It's like corporate America - we're not doing anything new or unique because if it fails, we'll look stupid, so we'll just wait for some other idiot to make it successful, and then we'll copy it when they prove it can work.

McDaniels was probably the right guy to coach Tebow, but unfortunately, they let him buy the groceries, too, and all the dude was interested in eating was from the candy aisle at Walgreen's.

[SteveMax58]

I think they should just go all-in with the dude and run a college offense for him. Seriously. Dude averaged 8 yards a carry. Let him run it 20 times a game, and then mix in some McGahee and have one or two of the receivers run the option with him. be creative. It would probably do wonders for his accuracy when they do pass.

That's the problem with the NFL. No imagination. It's like corporate America - we're not doing anything new or unique because if it fails, we'll look stupid, so we'll just wait for some other idiot to make it successful, and then we'll copy it when they prove it can work.

McDaniels was probably the right guy to coach Tebow, but unfortunately, they let him buy the groceries, too, and all the dude was interested in eating was from the candy aisle at Walgreen's.

He should have been in Miami to run the wildcat offense. Denver just really makes me scratch my head on their decision making regarding that whole Josh McDaniels hiring/firing situation. But that aside...I think Tebow ends up elsewhere & barring Miami winning the Luck lottery...wouldn't be surprised to see him there.

I agree, if you are going to run an offense with him...use the skills he has today & continue working on the skills he needs to be a complete QB.

[Senator]

I am happy for him. What people really hate about him is his openly religious beliefs. It is in vogue now to call people like him phonies.

[cuervo72]

I think I don't root for him because of the college hype and because he played for Florida and in the SEC. :) HE SO GOOD HE DOMINATED IN THE SEC HE GOING TO KICK THAT NFL's ASS.

(nevermind all of the other players from the SEC who kick ass in the NFL)

[Logan]

I didn't like him in college because of the media (ESPN) hype. Didn't care at all about his religious beliefs. This week may be the true test, but I've found it much easier to ignore the hype with him at the pro level, and have nothing against him. I'm rooting for him to bring a new element to the QB position, as that is always interesting.

[Rizon]

Almost noon in Miami and Sparano and Ireland still have jobs??? WTF is going on over there???

I get that Ross hasn't a clue how to run a team, but what is he doing? The Suckphins have the worst attendance outside of Cincinnati. He's got to be losing money? Or is he trying to move the team? The Salt Lake City Dolphins just don't have the same ring ...

[Passacaglia]

They probably got fired weeks ago, but through some glitch in accounting, they keep getting a paycheck.

[JediKooter]

I predict the Jets will beat the Chargers.

Norv Turner...you sir, are waaaayyyy too predictable.

[dubb93]

Time to take off my Colts colored glasses. I don't think this team would be very good with Manning healthy. The defense can't stop anyone.

This is the same defense we have had. They are built for the lead. A lead hasn't been anywhere in sight this year and the DE's are being asked to change their game as a result. No surprise they have been terrible. Hell even with a lead this defense failed about half the time anyway and asked Manning to bail them out in the end.

[Ksyrup]

Yeah, that D was built knowing they would score 35 points a game with manning at QB.

[gstelmack]

Almost noon in Miami and Sparano and Ireland still have jobs??? WTF is going on over there???

I get that Ross hasn't a clue how to run a team, but what is he doing? The Suckphins have the worst attendance outside of Cincinnati. He's got to be losing money? Or is he trying to move the team? The Salt Lake City Dolphins just don't have the same ring ...

I already answered your question:

On Sparano / Ireland: how can anyone be questioning why they have their jobs? The team celebrated the 2008 Florida Gators National Championship team for crying out loud! Seriously, could you make a visiting team feel any more welcome? Besides rolling over and letting them score 15 points right at the end of the game plus the winning FG in overtime?

[Rizon]

Wow, news out of Miami says Sparano and Ireland are keeping their jobs.

Wow.

I am 100% certain Ross is tanking this team to get a superstar (Luck) to boost attendance. Also, Urban Meyer has been seen floating around Ross lately.

Interesting strategy.

[Rizon]

On Sparano / Ireland: how can anyone be questioning why they have their jobs? The team celebrated the 2008 Florida Gators National Championship team for crying out loud! Seriously, could you make a visiting team feel any more welcome? Besides rolling over and letting them score 15 points right at the end of the game plus the winning FG in overtime?

:lol:

In all seriousness ... Urban Meyer is coaching this team next year. Definitely a play to brown nose him a bit.

[Matthean]

Wow, news out of Miami says Sparano and Ireland are keeping their jobs.

Wow.

I am 100% certain Ross is tanking this team to get a superstar (Luck) to boost attendance. Also, Urban Meyer has been seen floating around Ross lately.

Interesting strategy.

I think this is the overriding reason. It's why nobody from the winless teams is getting fired. Why fire a coach and then see the team win some games due to how happy the players are having a new coach only to lose out on Luck? The Lions 0-16 season can be matched just because some front offices will be so hell bent on getting the first pick.

This is the same defense we have had. They are built for the lead. A lead hasn't been anywhere in sight this year and the DE's are being asked to change their game as a result. No surprise they have been terrible. Hell even with a lead this defense failed about half the time anyway and asked Manning to bail them out in the end.

They have had leads, but blown them. The biggest difference in last night's game is that a Manning lead team would never have mailed it in like they did. This team was only going to regress. Losing Manning only amplified it.

I think Indy's season and the Suck for Luck sweepstakes will be great material for ESPN documentaries. If Indy picks first, it will be a no brainer in terms of being made. The Rams getting the first pick is going to create chaos.

[SteveMax58]

I think Indy's season and the Suck for Luck sweepstakes will be great material for ESPN documentaries. If Indy picks first, it will be a no brainer in terms of being made. The Rams getting the first pick is going to create chaos.

I agree. This season is going to be one of those seasons where the league's integrity gets put into question, imho. Whether rightly or not...there are definitely teams not doing the same things they would do in any other season.

Are the coaches & players tanking? I dont think so in the case of the players...but wouldn't be shocked if, in the case of Ireland/Sparano, they are "in the loop" on the plan to get Luck in exchange for a nice position doing "something" for the team.

Of course...if that conspiracy theory has any merit to it...it could wind up being a self-defeating prophecy as they possibly make some moves due to pressure from the NFL, should the media start zeroing in on this.

[RainMaker]

I'm an Atheist and I root for Tebow. Just think he's a nice guy, works hard, and is a good example for people. Plus I like rooting for an underdog and he is one in the NFL.

[JediKooter]

I'm an Atheist and I root for Tebow. Just think he's a nice guy, works hard, and is a good example for people. Plus I like rooting for an underdog and he is one in the NFL.

Yea, really over all, I've got nothing against the dude and definitely cheer for the underdog as well. The dude isn't mailing it in and was definitely playing his hardest yesterday. Heck, he had no picks, while Palmer, a proven vet, threw 3.

[Ksyrup]

Indy should have no problem faking their way through games. They've had plenty of practice pretending to play real games at the end of the season for the last decade, it seems.

[RainMaker]

It's also kind of nice to see a different style of QB and a little uniqueness to offense these days.

[JediKooter]

It just hit me...Norv Turner is the Barry Zito of NFL head coaches.

[SunDevil]

Virginia (UFL) head coach Marty Schottenheimer. At long last, in his 22nd season as a pro head coach, Schottenheimer won a professional football championship. His Virginia Destroyers beat Jim Fassel's Las Vegas Locos 17-3 in Virginia Saturday night. "I'm a simple man,'' Schottenheimer said. "I told our guys that we didn't need to do anything fancy to win the game. Just go back to the basics and execute, and that's what we did.'' Is that a Marty quote or what? I think I've heard him say that 67 times as an NFL coach...

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

tebow's got heart. the fan/media worship isn't his fault. i'm a borderline misanthropist and i root for him.
It just hit me...Norv Turner is the Barry Zito of NFL head coaches.
to be fair, laserface is an enigma. i said yesterday that he makes drew bledsoe look like randall cunnigham. he has to be the most unathletic player in the nfl.

[JediKooter]

tebow's got heart. the fan/media worship isn't his fault. i'm a borderline misanthropist and i root for him.

to be fair, laserface is an enigma. i said yesterday that he makes drew bledsoe look like randall cunnigham. he has to be the most unathletic player in the nfl.

Who's laser face?

[MacroGuru]

Who's laser face?

I think he is that guy that was running the Chargers hurry up and waltz offense.

[jbergey22]

Actually I thought Tebow got a lot of compliments on here about how he played last week. I think when you get as much attention as he does its perfectly fair to question if he deserves it. Tebow was just awful yesterday for 95 percent of the game. He battles and he gives 100 percent all of the time but in the NFL this doesnt always translate to success.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Who's laser face?
rivers. it came from ksk. i haven't read it in years but they use to mock him relentlessly.

every time there is a failed 3rd down conv. he is furious with the sideline. he was screaming at norv after he sailed that 4th down pass out of bounds.

[jbergey22]

rivers. it came from ksk. i haven't read it in years but they use to mock him relentlessly.

every time there is a failed 3rd down conv. he is furious with the sideline. he was screaming at norv after he sailed that 4th down pass out of bounds.

After he threw the int that landed in Revis's arms yesterday. He chased him down and Revis whipped the ball in the stands I couldnt help but notice Rivers crying to the ref about that. Reminded me of an 8th grader.

An all-pro NFL QB acting like that just seemed funny to me.

[Matthean]

After he threw the int that landed in Revis's arms yesterday. He chased him down and Revis whipped the ball in the stands I couldnt help but notice Rivers crying to the ref about that. Reminded me of an 8th grader.

An all-pro NFL QB acting like that just seemed funny to me.

It's stuff that like, which prevents me from ever calling him elite. He'll put up great numbers in the regular season and fade in the playoffs once things get harder.

[JediKooter]

rivers. it came from ksk. i haven't read it in years but they use to mock him relentlessly.

every time there is a failed 3rd down conv. he is furious with the sideline. he was screaming at norv after he sailed that 4th down pass out of bounds.

Well, he does have two shot knees, so he isn't going to be the most fleet of footed person out there.

I'd be furious with Norv too if he called a play that had Gates going to the sideline on a 4th down play. Norv is useless and even after having a bye week, the Chargers still look ill prepared. I was so hoping that the Raiders were going to win yesterday. Only thing that's going to get Norv out of San Diego is if they keep missing the playoffs.

[stevew]

The Vikings classic jerseys are so much better than the current shit that they wear.

[MacroGuru]

I'd be furious with Norv too if he called a play that had Gates going to the sideline on a 4th down play.

This falls on the QB for not taking the chance to Audible...as well as his lolly gagging around and not forcing the team to run a proper hurry up....

Part of this loss was play calling, the other part was with Rivers not being effective when he needed to be...

[mckerney]

The Vikings classic jerseys are so much better than the current shit that they wear.

Yup.

[tucker rocky]

They probably got fired weeks ago, but through some glitch in accounting, they keep getting a paycheck.

Like Milton from Office Space.

[Pumpy Tudors]

lol

[JediKooter]

This falls on the QB for not taking the chance to Audible...as well as his lolly gagging around and not forcing the team to run a proper hurry up....

Part of this loss was play calling, the other part was with Rivers not being effective when he needed to be...

And that has been a problem ever since Norv has come on board. I don't even think preparedness is even a word in Norv's vocabulary and is also why every team he has ever been the head coach of, has progressively gotten worse each season, until he's fired.

EDIT: And the pattern is clearly continuing with his tenure as the Chargers' head coach.

EDIT PART 2: This also why the Chargers get so many damn delay of game calls against them too.

[Julio Riddols]

Interesting tidbit: As of right now, the top 4 defenses in yards allowed are all from the AFC North.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

mnf is fucking RIVETING

[JAG]

4th and 43, why didn't they go for it?

[Lathum]

This game rocks if you like kicking

[Lathum]

and flags

[molson]

"Kicking and flags" is actually the title of the book I'm writing about this game. There's a handsome picture of me smoking a pipe on the book jacket.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Flacco. Gabbert. BARNBURNER

god help you if you needed any fantasy points in this game.

[Julio Riddols]

They say Flacco is a good QB on the cusp of being elite, but I am not buying it. Also, Maurice Jones Drew is made of butter.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

'this is bad football right here.'

you know it's bad when gruden can't even feign enthusiasm.

[DaddyTorgo]

They say Flacco is a good QB on the cusp of being elite, but I am not buying it.
+1. Flacco is an over-hyped average qb. The guys he succeeded make him look better than he is.

[Julio Riddols]

haha, less than 100 total yards in the game combined so far.

[Julio Riddols]

Any game in the Lingerie Football League has a better brand of football than this.

[Lathum]

Didnt realize the Browns and Seahawks were playing a double header

[Lathum]

Jesus Christ it must suck to be a defensive player

[jbergey22]

You guys do know there is a World Series game on correct?

[MrBug708]

What's up with Ray Rice? He's costing me a fantasy win tonight

[RainMaker]

This is the worst game I've seen in a long time.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm watching this because I have a morbid fascination with train wrecks. I'm rubbernecking the NFL right now.

[RainMaker]

I needed Billy Cundiff and Ray Rice to get me some points. It is not going well.

[bhlloy]

The NFL needs to go to a Chase for the Cup format this season, just cut the bottom 16 teams out of the second half of the season and move on. Holy crap there have been some terrible games so far.

[Crapshoot]

Cmon over and watch baseball guys! There's a hell of a game going on...

[Lathum]

How on earth does someone from Jax not keep Del Rio from throwing that flag?

[Matthean]

Lastly, for anyone who bets real money on football. dont take baltimore tomorrow, just dont.

I had serious doubts about this statement. Nevermore.

[cuervo72]

Lastly, for anyone who bets real money on football. dont take baltimore tomorrow, just dont.

What's up with Ray Rice? He's costing me a fantasy win tonight

So...is the mob holding a member of Rice's family or something?


edit: Matthean beat me to it, but I've been wondering about it all game.

[molson]

I hope B & B starts posting vague predictions about various sporting events, that all turn out to be correct.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I hope B & B starts posting vague predictions about various sporting events, that all turn out to be correct.

+1

[Lathum]

and that isn't a penalty?

[Bigsmooth]

Scobee is nails.

[MrBug708]

It's something

[Bigsmooth]

Well that helps thin out some Survivor Pools. Nice.

[stevew]

This is the worst game I've seen in a long time.

Thank the Spaghetti Monster you missed the Cleve/Seattle debacle.

[stevew]

They played the highlights of this game on ESPN with Yakkity Sacks as the background music.

[Ksyrup]

The sad thing is, that piece of turd probably got 4 times the number of viewers as game 5 of the WS tied 2-2 into the 8th.

[Logan]

Didn't read the article, but saw the headline that Game 4 beat the Sunday night matchup so likely not...

[Ksyrup]

Really? That's surprising. I mean, it shouldn't be surprising given the matchup, let alone the actual game, but I thought NFL football ruled all.

[SteveMax58]

Really? That's surprising. I mean, it shouldn't be surprising given the matchup, let alone the actual game, but I thought NFL football ruled all.

It got a 100 share in my house at least.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I suspect it's a case of Atlanta not being in line with the national numbers overall (which is often the case) but the WS didn't have a great night here.

WS avg 2.7 rtg, mostly on the strength of a strong finish after 10p.

Other, the game:
-- Got killed by ABC (DWTS 4.9 and lost to Castle 3.4)
-- Lost to CBS about half the night (HIMYM 2.4 vs 2.35 h2h, got killed by 2.5 Men 3.7 to 2.15, easily beat 2 Broke and M&M, fended off Hawaii 5-0[i/]
-- Hell, even NBC managed a draw from 9p-930p with the first half of [i]Sing Off.

[cuervo72]

Wow, the above post has a LOT of 5s in its post number.

edit: As do nine others, I suppose.

[Ksyrup]

I read that it was still the lowest rated game 5 in history, even if it beat the NFL.

[Danny]

Wow, the above post has a LOT of 5s in its post number.

edit: As do nine others, I suppose.

which post came four before that one?

[cuervo72]

Wolverine Studios Releases DDS: College Basketball 2 - Page 2 - Front Office Football Central (http://operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2555555#post2555555)

[Alan T]

which post came four before that one?


This one did:

The 1.2 patch will also include fixing of hotkeys on recruit call screen and fixing an error in the promotion/relegation system.

Once that is released (hopefully today) 1.3 will be focusing more on adding suggestions into the game so at the very least take the demo for a spin and if there's something you don't like now would be a good time to suggest changes.

[tucker rocky]

Lastly, for anyone who bets real money on football. dont take baltimore tomorrow, just dont.

Nostradamus,

Who will win the World Series?; Super Bowl?; Stanley Cup? :)

[Passacaglia]

Would be hilarious if B&B never posts again.

[molson]

Would be hilarious if B&B never posts again.

It's possible he's tied up in a warehouse in Newark.

[Rizon]

Dolphins continuing their implosion: they signed JP Losman to be backup QB.

Also, they are asking about Cowher. Same thing as earlier this year trying to get Harbaugh ... while they already have a coach.

And poor Sparano.
cbssports:
In that game, Sparano was caught by television cameras pleading to game officials to review a touchdown just scored by the Broncos.

"If I don't call a timeout, I'm [sunk] and now I'm getting fired, OK?" he yelled while pointing toward Ross' owner's box.

[RomaGoth]

And poor Sparano.


He may be a lot of things, but poor he is not at $2.8 mil.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Thinking about last Sunday night, I just realized that that was the first 62-7 game in the NFL since Dan Marino's last game. Now Curtis Painter gets to be the most recent starting quarterback in a 62-7 loss. It doesn't really mean anything. It just occurred to me.

[Ksyrup]

I had the same thought. They kept throwing out these games - I guess regular season - where teams scored 62 points, but I thought I was right that Marino lost 62-7 in his last game. Wasn't it Jimmy Johnson's last game, too?

[Rizon]

Thinking about last Sunday night, I just realized that that was the first 62-7 game in the NFL since Dan Marino's last game. Now Curtis Painter gets to be the most recent starting quarterback in a 62-7 loss. It doesn't really mean anything. It just occurred to me.

That was the first Dolphins game I stopped watching. I always watched all games until the end. I was dressed in Phingear and watched it at my dad's work. I went home about halfway through the game. After the game I was so upset I boxed all my Phingear up and didn't bring it out for an entire year.

Sadly, that was also Marino's very last game and a shitty way for a HOF to end a career. He was awful in that game, but the Dolphins D was just atrocious.

The only good thing about that game was that it ended Jimmies coaching career.

[EagleFan]

I see that TO's workout may not have gotten any NFL scouts to show up but it got him an offer....


From an AFL team for $400 a game.

[gstelmack]

My favorite part was Rosenhaus saying one of the things that would get TO on a team was "a veteran quarterback asking his team to sign him". Keep dreaming, after he's thrown several under the bus, do you really think anyone else out there is going to pull another McNabb?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Terrell Owens would be damn good in the AFL. He ought to sign with the Rush.

[MikeVic]

Terrell Owens would be damn good in the AFL. He ought to sign with the Rush.

With Reggie Gray, that would be a great 1-2 punch getting passes from either JJ Raterink or Russ Michna.

[RomaGoth]

My favorite part was Rosenhaus saying one of the things that would get TO on a team was "a veteran quarterback asking his team to sign him". Keep dreaming, after he's thrown several under the bus, do you really think anyone else out there is going to pull another McNabb?

That interview with Rosenhaus was laughable. In addition to what gstelmack said, there were comments about how they expect a call soon, perhaps after a WR gets injured or a team keeps losing. Yeah, cuz when you are 0-6 signing TO is going to turn the team around. :lol:

[Pumpy Tudors]

With Reggie Gray, that would be a great 1-2 punch getting passes from either JJ Raterink or Russ Michna.
how the hell do you know this
stop messing with my head

[MikeVic]

how the hell do you know this
stop messing with my head

:devil:

[Rizon]

LOL ... things starting to get super interesting in Miami

Yeremiah Bell on Reggie Bush: 'He stinks' - CBSSports.com (http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/32960091)

Can't wait to see what happens next week after the Phinz lose to NY.