Official College Football Thread - Week 11

[Logan]

Starting this to post a couple helmet pics, and my own opinion of how you do it right and wrong. I'll let you decide which is which.

Notre Dame wearing this against Maryland:

http://kegsneggsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Notre-Dame.jpg



Rutgers wearing this against Army:

http://media.nj.com/rutgers_football/photo/10229615-large.jpg

[dawgfan]

That Notre Dame helmet is awful.

I'm guessing the stars & stripes one is just because they're playing Army, or is there more to it than that? Washington did a similar helmet for the weekend earlier this year that coincided with the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

[spleen1015]

Veterans Day is Friday. Maybe Rutgers is doing it for that and since they are playing Army.

[dawgfan]

Veterans Day is Friday. Maybe Rutgers is doing it for that and since they are playing Army.
Ah, good point. Would make even more sense if the game were on Friday, but close enough (similar to the UW helmet and the 9/11 tribute).

[dawgfan]

Notre Dame is trying to out-ugly Maryland. They have no chance.
Not even so much "ugly" as, I dunno, weak? A shamrock on your helmet isn't exactly an intimidating look.

I liked their attempt to make their gold helmets more closely resemble the Golden Dome, but the green shamrock on the helmet? Bad call.

[Crapshoot]

Biggest game is clearly Stanford vs. Oregon. They are playing at the farm this year which should favor Stanford, but Oregon is a damn good team.

[cartman]

Back in the 60s they used to have that shamrock on their helmets. I think that Lou Holtz even brought them back for a game.

[digamma]

Flying to Atlanta for VPI vs. Ga Tech on Thursday. Should be a fun one. Taking my son, and weather dependent, it will be his first GT game.

[Matthean]

Skimming the schedule and picking out games of interest.

Oregon @ Stanford. Nuff said.

Auburn @ Georgia. Last real hurdle for the East title for Georgia.

Michigan @ Illinois. Last easy game for Michigan, but it's on the road. This is a must win for them, or they are looking at going 1-4 after the MSU loss.

TCU @ BSU. Only real challenge left for BSU.

NU @ PSU. Let's just say Penn State suffered a loss in the bye week and now go through three straight games that will be brutal for them to deal with even under normal conditions.

WVU @ Cincinnati. Cincinnati has 4 games to go with a 2 game lead on the rest of the Big East.

MSU @ Iowa. Iowa is frisky at home and MSU's record on the road is non-existent. First team in the Legends division to act like it wants to win it will do so. Maybe.

Texas @ MU. Last visit by the Longhorns.

[RomaGoth]

Notre Dame is trying to out-ugly Maryland. They have no chance.

Wait until the game is played.

[tarcone]

Iowa holds the division in their hands. Win the next 3 and we play int he 1st ever B1G title game. Lose on of the 3 and its not a chance.
MSU is nails against the run, but cant play on the road.
You never what Iowa team will show up. Or if a good Iowa team will play 4 quarters.

Go Hawks!

[RainMaker]

The Notre Dame helmets are fine. It's not like they had an iconic helmet that bore decades of tradition.

[dawgfan]

The Notre Dame helmets are fine. It's not like they had an iconic helmet that bore decades of tradition.
?

Is this a joke?

[Ksyrup]

FSU/Miami Saturday afternoon. I hope we kill them, although they've been playing good of late. But so have we.

Pretty sad that these two teams have fallen enough that they can't make anyone's list of semi-interesting games...

[spleen1015]

I am looking forward to watching Stanford vs. Oregon. I want Stanford to win because I don't want to see Alabama and LSU in the title game. I don't think they'll be able to beat Oregon though.

[booradley]

Wake Forest travels to Death Valley for the ritual beating. Although, blind loyalty leads me to hope - IF we were to win ... Oh, happy day!!!!!

[Ksyrup]

The biggest problem I have with a rematch is, what have you settled if the team that lost the first game wins the second one? LSU beat Alabama at home. If Alabama beats LSU in New Orleans, what point have we settled? That typically, the team that loses the first game has the upper hand in a rematch. I think that's about it.

I'm not in favor of a rematch, unless there's no argument for any other team. If you have a bunch of 2-loss BCS conference teams and a 1-loss Boise State, for example, and LSU was undefeated and Alabama had 1 loss, then OK. But if there's another viable team, I say let them have a shot.

[spleen1015]

For me, if LSU and Boise St. are the only undefeated teams left, then they need to play.

I get all of the stuff about Boise St. and their schedule, etc. I want to see them play in a game like this just to see how well they really do stack up. If LSU blows them out 56-10, then okay don't do it again. But is BSU wins or LSU wins in 2OT, then it gives it merit.

I'm afraid we're going to see a rematch.Stanford loses to Oregon and OSU loses to Oklahoma and we get a rematch.

My only hope at that point is that LSU loses to Arkansas and/or the SEC title game.

[Ksyrup]

There are still plenty of chances for all the top teams to stumble.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm afraid we're going to see a rematch.Stanford loses to Oregon and OSU loses to Oklahoma and we get a rematch.

I believe there'd also be the possibility of a rematch if those things happened & Alabama stumbled against Auburn.

Don't completely overlook the possibility of getting Oregon-LSU in that scenario.

[BishopMVP]

Wait until the game is played.We made Michigan look good passing the ball and USC look good throwing it - maybe we can even make Maryland look competent on offense.

[Butter]

It's not like Alabama-LSU was even a fun game to watch. It was painful to anyone who likes watching college football offenses operate. It was like having a root canal.

[Matthean]

Alabama stumbled against Auburn.

I would be stunned as anyone if Auburn pulled it off. I'm pretty sure 'Bama wants Auburn's head at this point.

[Ksyrup]

It's not like Alabama-LSU was even a fun game to watch. It was painful to anyone who likes watching college football offenses operate. It was like having a root canal.

I enjoyed it. I saw a clear difference between that game and the UGA/UF game a week before. That one was painful to watch, because those defenses aren't THAT good, and it was poor offense that ruined the game (I think the QBs were a combined 1-21 at one point in the 2nd half).

I don't mind a 52-45 game, but there's something to be said for two defenses shutting down offenses that average around 38-40 points a game.

[molson]

For me, if LSU and Boise St. are the only undefeated teams left, then they need to play.

I get all of the stuff about Boise St. and their schedule, etc. I want to see them play in a game like this just to see how well they really do stack up. If LSU blows them out 56-10, then okay don't do it again. But is BSU wins or LSU wins in 2OT, then it gives it merit.



That's really the wrong way to pick who gets in, on both counts. Oklahoma lost 55-19 in a championship game once, should they be banned from future BCS consideration? Either you should be there or shouldn't, it's not a program tryout.

[Butter]

I enjoyed it. I saw a clear difference between that game and the UGA/UF game a week before. That one was painful to watch, because those defenses aren't THAT good, and it was poor offense that ruined the game (I think the QBs were a combined 1-21 at one point in the 2nd half).

I don't mind a 52-45 game, but there's something to be said for two defenses shutting down offenses that average around 38-40 points a game.

It seemed like two teams doing the definition of playing "not to lose" rather than playing to win. I agree, 52-45 is not ideal either. But a nice 28-24 game never hurt anyone. Not watching Alabama's kicker chunk attempt after attempt wide and short.

[RainMaker]

?

Is this a joke?
Yes, I was being sarcastic. I understand Maryland or some other schools doing it. But you're Notre Dame, you have one of the best helmets in the business. So much history and tradition. Why fuck it up with some cheesey shit like this?

[Ksyrup]

It seemed like two teams doing the definition of playing "not to lose" rather than playing to win. I agree, 52-45 is not ideal either. But a nice 28-24 game never hurt anyone. Not watching Alabama's kicker chunk attempt after attempt wide and short.

I think it was a clear example of two coaches who knew the defenses were better than the offenses, and gameplanning accordingly to not be the one who messed up. I agree that's not exactly exciting, but ineffective beats sloppy/pathetic any day.

Aside from Alabama's special teams, I thought both teams played at a high level. It's just that neither offense was good enough to rise to or above the level of the defenses.

[Logan]

That Notre Dame helmet is awful.

I'm guessing the stars & stripes one is just because they're playing Army, or is there more to it than that? Washington did a similar helmet for the weekend earlier this year that coincided with the 10th anniversary of 9/11.

Missed your question the first time around. The school feels very close to the Army program after the way they supported Eric LeGrand and the rest of the team following his paralysis in the game against them last season, and they thought this was another way to show their appreciation.

I sent something to the assistant AD that they should make replicas of this helmet available for sale with the proceeds going to the Wounded Warrior Project. He said it would be something for them to consider.

[dawgfan]

Missed your question the first time around. The school feels very close to the Army program after the way they supported Eric LeGrand and the rest of the team following his paralysis in the game against them last season, and they thought this was another way to show their appreciation.

I sent something to the assistant AD that they should make replicas of this helmet available for sale with the proceeds going to the Wounded Warrior Project. He said it would be something for them to consider.
Cool story. Hope they follow your suggestion, it's a creative way to raise more money for a good cause.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The Patriot League title is decided as #33 Georgetown 8-2 (4-1) plays at #6 Lehigh 8-1 (4-0). Georgetown is criminally under-ranked.

Go Georgetown ... not something I ever really thought I'd be saying but one of their freshmen DL, 6'2 300 lb Jordan Richardson is an graduate of my son's school & a kid I got to watch play most of his HS ball.

Bright young man, articulate, lost his dad when he was very young, just the kind of kid that you find yourself pulling for. After watching him seem to struggle occasionally with focus on the field (or perhaps just lacking a little bit of a mean streak) while in HS, it was exciting to read about him being a contributor to a very good Hoya defense almost immediately upon arrival. That suggests to me that some of the maturity I hoped he'd get is there and, like I said, he's just a kid that you want to see do good.

So ... Go Hoyas

[Ksyrup]

I can't believe they outscored last week's game.

Isn't Toledo the same team that Ohio State struggled to score 25 against, and that Boise State only put about 40 on? What the hell - have they decided to drop one defensive player off the field each week as the season progresses? Because they played like they had maybe 6-7 guys out there.

[Lathum]

I would have though Schiano was a shoe in to replace Paterno but now I would be shocked if he did.

[Logan]

Bloom is long off that rose. But they'll go outside the PSU structure anyway.

[Butter]

I can't believe they outscored last week's game.

Isn't Toledo the same team that Ohio State struggled to score 25 against, and that Boise State only put about 40 on? What the hell - have they decided to drop one defensive player off the field each week as the season progresses? Because they played like they had maybe 6-7 guys out there.

To be fair, Ohio State mostly played Joe "Crazy Arms" Bauserman against Toledo. I am impressed that we were able to hold them to 20-ish points, considering.

[Logan]

For Lathum:

Politi: Greg Schiano won't be the coach to replace Joe Paterno | NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/11/politi_greg_schiano_wont_be_th.html)

[Lathum]

Thanks for the link, good read. I haven't been able to keep up as much since my buddy left the program.

[cartman]

Texas and UCLA announce a game at Jerry's World in 2014.

Texas and UCLA to play in Cowboys Stadium - CBSSports.com (http://eye-on-college-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/33218673)

[Pumpy Tudors]

In "only Pumpy could possibly care about this" news, Seton Hill tries to avoid having a winless home record for the first time in its 7-year history. The Griffins are 1-9 this year, with a 1-3 road record and an 0-6 home record. They close out their season against conference foe Glenville State. Maybe Seton Hill will play an inspired game this week and manage to match last year's win total of 2.

Ugh.

[B & B]

Less than an hour away from a top 20 NCAA game and FOFC is chatting about Toledo, Schiano and Seton Hill.


After the first Hokies TD, Im posting semi nude pics of Kathy Griffin.

[RomaGoth]

After the first Hokies TD, Im posting semi nude pics of Kathy Griffin.

If they aren't fully nude pics then don't bother.

[Logan]

Less than an hour away from a top 20 NCAA game and FOFC is chatting about Toledo, Schiano and Seton Hill.

Schiano was a day and a half ago, douche :). How bout some betting advice buddy?

[SunDevil]

I really enjoy watching the Georgia Tech offense play.

[B & B]

I really enjoy watching the Georgia Tech offense play.

I bet youre a big Army/Navy fan.


As for today, had VT obviously. Might have a scooby snack for Saturday.

[Matthean]

Nice touch to the the PSU/NU game as both teams came on to the field and prayed.

[Matthean]

Similar to the 'Bama/LSU game, PSU is out playing NU, but the score is 0-0 with the defenses winning the day so far.

[miked]

Syracuse continues their Big East farewell tour by get stomped at home in front of 6,000 fans. I guess by losing SU and PIT and potentially gaining all the Texas and Idaho teams, we actually improve football. Now RU needs a win from PIT today for Rutgers to have any shot at the Big East title.

[Matthean]

MSU up 17-7 on Iowa. MSU playing a bit better than I expected, but not surprised they seem to be handling Iowa's offense.

[cartman]

That was a bullshit personal foul call on Texas. Not looking good for them being down their top 3 rushers plus their top receiver.

[Matthean]

Someone should tell Oklahoma St to stop being so mean to Texas Tech.

Maybe they should save some of that energy for a game that matters. I never understood a team that was in the diver seat for the title game feeling the need to add style points to their wins. Big 12 teams seem to be notorious for it. *cough*OU*cough*

MSU up 24-7 on Iowa. With Indiana and Northwestern next, it would take a pretty big screw up by State to not win the Legends division. NU up 10-0 on PSU. Not to say it's over, but I don't see PSU outscoring much of anybody by 10 in a half.

[Grover]

I'd like to see Oklahoma St to put up 80 just for the sheer fun of it.

[Matthean]

MSU up 24-7 on Iowa.

Make that 31-7 in the first half. Congratulations Iowa for winning this week's mail in job award.

[jbergey22]

Maybe they should save some of that energy for a game that matters. I never understood a team that was in the diver seat for the title game feeling the need to add style points to their wins. Big 12 teams seem to be notorious for it. *cough*OU*cough*

MSU up 24-7 on Iowa. With Indiana and Northwestern next, it would take a pretty big screw up by State to not win the Legends division. NU up 10-0 on PSU. Not to say it's over, but I don't see PSU outscoring much of anybody by 10 in a half.

No style points. Texas Tech just blows lately.

[MrBug708]

Firing Leach was totally the right move

[jbergey22]

Firing Leach was totally the right move

The 0 points at half it stunning. I figured Oklahoma State would score 50+ but I thought Texas Tech would have no problems putting up 30.

[Matthean]

No style points. Texas Tech just blows lately.

And hammers home OU's mail in job against TT.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That was a bullshit personal foul call on Texas. Not looking good for them being down their top 3 rushers plus their top receiver.

The SEC officials for today's game say 'Hi!'.

[Matthean]

OSU has an outside chance of winning the Leaders division, but are down 17-14 to Purdue.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Ouch. B12 leading rusher Henry Josey just got carted off with a knee injury. We have depth, but never good to lose the conference leader.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Firing Leach was totally the right move

LOL

[cartman]

Ouch. B12 leading rusher Henry Josey just got carted off with a knee injury.

The SEC defenses say "Hi!"

Had to write it down. Yep, looks just as stupid as the SEC officials comment.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

The SEC defenses say "Hi!"

Had to write it down. Looks just as stupid as the SEC officials comment.

There's a big difference between joking about a call and mocking a severely injured player IMO. I guess we just see things differently in that regard.

[jbergey22]

There's a big difference between joking about a call and mocking a severely injured player IMO. I guess we just see things differently in that regard.

He wasnt mocking the player from what I can tell. He was mocking you.

[jbergey22]

Wonder if Weeden has any chance at the Heisman now that Richardson has eliminated himself. Is it Luck then Weeden at this point?

[Matthean]

Two TDs by Iowa and suddenly it's 34-21 MSU with a quarter to go.

[cartman]

I know it might be hard for you to comprehend, but I was not mocking the player, I was mocking you.

Hopefully some of those billions you are getting from donors and the SEC will be spent upgrading that turf. That is two serious knee injuries today.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I know it might be hard for you to comprehend, but I was not mocking the player, I was mocking you.

Hopefully some of those billions you are getting from donors and the SEC will be spent upgrading that turf. That is two serious knee injuries today.

I appreciate that you at least kept your chicken fetish out of a post. That's a step in the right direction.

And yes, part of the $160M investment in the stadium is to put in new turf over the summer.

[jbergey22]

Wheeden is 28. He's Chris Wienke all over again.

Yup.

Weeden has a cannon but his accuracy accross the middle can be shaky at times. Probably a decent 3rd round pick/instant backup for a decent NFL team.

[GrantDawg]

I hate Florida. Can't count on them for anything.

[Matthean]

KU up on Baylor 10-0.

PSU has actually made it a game at 17-14 NU.

[GrantDawg]

KU up on Baylor 10-0.

PSU has actually made it a game at 17-14 NU.


I hope PSU wins. Through all this, I feel for the poor kids on the football team. They haven't done anything wrong, and are paying a price for others mistakes. It'd be nice if they somehow ended up winning out.

[Matthean]

I hope PSU wins. Through all this, I feel for the poor kids on the football team. They haven't done anything wrong, and are paying a price for others mistakes. It'd be nice if they somehow ended up winning out.

I think one of the players was asked about it and he said he had been playing MW3 most of the week.

[GrantDawg]

I think one of the players was asked about it and he said he had been playing MW3 most of the week.


Hehe. Smart boy.

[cartman]

Disappointing game for Texas. If you would have told me that they would hold Mizzou to 17 points, I'd feel pretty good about their chances. But having your run first offense to have to rely on the #4 and #5 running backs due to injuries for 3 and a half quarters is tough to overcome. I'm interested in hearing what was wrong with Bergeron, as it was very surprising he wasn't available.

[GrantDawg]

There is something perverse about hearing the South Carolina cheerleaders yelling "Go Cocks!" :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

There is something perverse about hearing the South Carolina cheerleaders yelling "Go Cocks!" :)

Not as perverse as hearing anyone else's cheerleaders yelling that ;)

[tarcone]

Turnovers killed Iowa today. 14 points off turnovers by MSU and stopped Iowa from scoring on the last on. Bad play Hawks. Some Corporations Stupid Bowl, here we come.

[JonInMiddleGA]

KU 17-0 over Baylor.

Might be the most unbelievable score I've seen all season.

[Matthean]

NU wins and MSU looks to be finishing off Iowa. PSU needs to win @OSU and @Wisconsin if it wants to win the Leaders division.

[tarcone]

Looks like MSU may be finding their stride down the stretch. And their schedule is a creme puff.

[Matthean]

Toussaint already has 121 yards rushing in the first quarter.

[Matthean]

ESPN's Gamecast is a joke right now. I started it up twice and failed to get plays added. The second time Michigan completed its drive at the goal line while the Gamecast still had Michigan at their own 41. Michigan up 14-0, but they would of, could of, should of be up by more.

[mauchow]

Russell Wilson 13/13, 162 yards, 3 TDs in the first half. Montee Ball, 9 carries, 85 yards, 2 TDs(one rushing, one receiving).

THANK GOD (purdue, actually) the Badgers control their destiny to get to the Rose Bowl now as it's pretty obvious that the Badgers are by far the best team in the Big 10.

[GrantDawg]

UGA is OWNING Auburn right now. 28-7, and Auburn defense has yet to stop the offense, and Rambo just picked the ball off and took it to the house.

[Grover]

ESPN's Gamecast is a joke right now. I started it up twice and failed to get plays added. The second time Michigan completed its drive at the goal line while the Gamecast still had Michigan at their own 41. Michigan up 14-0, but they would of, could of, should of be up by more.

Not getting it in from 1st and G was pretty disappointing. Illinois has bent but not broken and that series where they held has really gotten them back into the game even though they're not on the board.


... and Michigan misses a FG.

[GrantDawg]

Auburn cheerleaders > South Carolina cheerleaders, except they don't say "Go Cocks!" :)

[Matthean]

Not getting it in from 1st and G was pretty disappointing. Illinois has bent but not broken and that series where they held has really gotten them back into the game even though they're not on the board.


... and Michigan misses a FG.

It's not getting the 4 and 1 in a goal line situation, Illinois fumbling the ball, Robinson getting his mandatory INT, and the next Michigan drive goes inside the 19 and yet no points. If Illinois had a pulse, I would be worried.

EDIT: To clarify, the fumble was right after Michigan failed at 4th and 1 so all Michigan had to do was hang on to the ball.

TCU up 20-14 on BSU. There will be some mighty interesting bowl match ups if BSU falls.

[GrantDawg]

35-7 UGA. The boys came to play today.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

KU 17-0 over Baylor.

Might be the most unbelievable score I've seen all season.

Then I'm guessing the most believable score all season would be the final score. I don't think anyone's surprised that KU lost.

[mauchow]

16/16, 176 yards, 4 TD passes for Russell Wilson. That'd be sweet to see him go 20/20 with 5 TDs for the day.

[mauchow]

Oh, no.. play action on the first play and nick Toon drops the first pass of the day on an underthrown ball from Wilson... and now Toon is hurt possibly.

[Grover]

I like Shoelace, but at the same time I can't wait for him to be gone so Michigan can go back to a pro-style offense.

I wish they could go back to the days before Rich Rod.

[cartman]

Then I'm guessing the most believable score all season would be the final score. I don't think anyone's surprised that KU lost.

31-30, losing by going for 2 in OT is still one of the most surprising scores of the season.

[Matthean]

I like Shoelace, but at the same time I can't wait for him to be gone so Michigan can go back to a pro-style offense.

I wish they could go back to the days before Rich Rod.

It would do wonders if he simply cut down on the turnovers. 14 INTs so far this season. If he cuts that in half, it helps out this team a lot.

[Grover]

Nothing like an illegal motion against the kicker on a FG attempt..

[mauchow]

And down goes the potential 1st round draft pick, center Peter Konz for Wisconsin. Looks like a knee thing. Ugh.

[booradley]

Tough loss for Wake today in Death Valley. To think that we had a chance for the division title ... ugh. Still, listening to the anguished silence of the Clemson crowd when we went up 28-14 ... oh, how that moment made my day.

[Matthean]

Illinois making a game of it. 17-7 Michigan.

[MJ4H]

Absolutely unacceptable level of officiating in the Tennessee-Arkansas game. Overturned a call that was correct by a mile. Literally video evidence the ball was loose at least a full second before being down. And they overturned.

I'm speechless.

[mauchow]

I'd like to petition to allow Russell Wilson to player another year for the Badgers and I'd also like to plead to Montee Ball not to go to the NFL this year..

[Matthean]

Well, Gardner has lead two scoring drives for 10 points. I think he's too raw just yet to see him be the number one guy, but you figured this moment was happening at some point.

[MJ4H]

Mind = blown.

Joe Adams 3rd punt return of the season. You'll see it on Sportscenter.

[MrBug708]

So this UCLA Utah game is being played in a pretty good snowfall

[GrantDawg]

Mind = blown.

Joe Adams 3rd punt return of the season. You'll see it on Sportscenter.


It is going to be a bad day for ugly orange teams. :)

[Logan]

TCU goes for two with 1:05 on the clock and gets it for the 36-35 lead over Boise.

[Grover]

Fitz Toussaint puts Illinois away for good on that touchdown run. 31-14 Michigan.

[DeToxRox]

Wow, that ball was not catchable at all.

[Logan]

Laaaaaaaate PI flag on TCU on a heave 4th down toss to give Boise a shot. Replay shows nothing.

[cuervo72]

Bad PI call against TCU.

[Lathum]

what a joke of a call

[Logan]

I really hope they miss this kick.

[DeToxRox]

I'm not into conspiracies but part of me thinks TCU got a big fuck you for leaving MWC.

[Logan]

Even if they make it, I hope the voters kill Boise.

[DeToxRox]

the MWC fucked TCU as it is for making this game at Boise. Shameful if Boise wins this.

[Logan]

NOT EVEN CLOSE!

[Suicane75]

If I had a vote, I'd consider them a 1 loss team regardless of......he missed it. Ha. Good for TCU.

[DeToxRox]

Thank god.

[Lathum]

Guess that answers the Boise State should play in the NC question.

[MJ4H]

ESAD Boise

[saldana]

We are proven!!

[cuervo72]

Bad call and it turned out to be academic, but it's not like other good teams are ever the beneficiaries of bad calls. Or lopsidedly called games (OSU/Toledo).

[Matthean]

If 'Bama doesn't get a rematch, their bowl game just got way more interesting.

[GrantDawg]

45-7 win for UGA. Getting hot at the right time.

[MJ4H]

Arkansas 21, Tennessee 0 2nd quarter.

[Logan]

Rutgers' Mohamed Sanu caught 13 balls for 129 yards today against Army, giving him 93 receptions on the year and breaking Larry Fitzgerald's Big East season record.

[Lathum]

wow, what a catch this kid just made in the Arkansas game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Disappointing game for Texas. If you would have told me that they would hold Mizzou to 17 points, I'd feel pretty good about their chances. But having your run first offense to have to rely on the #4 and #5 running backs due to injuries for 3 and a half quarters is tough to overcome. I'm interested in hearing what was wrong with Bergeron, as it was very surprising he wasn't available.

As opposed to Mizzou using their 2rd string RB (who was from TX and wasn't good enough to get a UT offer) for basically the whole season (who leads the conference in rushing) and their 3rd string RB who rushed for 100+ yards on UT's defense?

I won't hold my breath waiting for the excuses to end. Bevo Nation never handles a loss well.

[Vegas Vic]

Houston Cougars to a BCS bowl?

[Matthean]

Houston Cougars to a BCS bowl?

I'm thinking Hell and no.

[cartman]

As opposed to Mizzou using their 3rd string RB for basically the whole season (who leads the conference in rushing) and their 4th string RB who rushed for 100+ yards on UT's defense?

I won't hold my breath waiting for the excuses to end. Bevo Nation never handles a loss well.

Much like the Tiger Nation handles a win. But I guess you should be happy, considering you just picked up your 3rd win against Texas since 1916.

[cartman]

A&M and Kansas State are heading to a 4th OT!

[terpkristin]

Hate the hideousness...

/tk

[MJ4H]

Arkansas doing everything they can to let Tennessee crawl back into it.

[Vegas Vic]

I'm thinking Hell and no. With Boise State's loss, if Houston finishes 13-0, won't they be high enough in the BCS rankings to guarantee a bid?

[miked]

Great day for RU. Survived the shitty Yankee Stadium turf, Sanu breaks a record, and UL and Cin both lose. So now if we win out (beating Cincinnati in the process) and UL and WVU each lose 1 more, we go to a BCS bowl. Sucks that we lose the tiebreaker against WVU and UL, but play shitty 2nd halves and that happens.

[bronconick]

Western Kentucky's wondering what the hell was Alabama's problem last week, as they've outscored them in one quarter.

[cartman]

With Boise State's loss, if Houston finishes 13-0, won't they be high enough in the BCS rankings to guarantee a bid?

More than likely, yes. The computers would like that they would have beaten Southern Miss in the CUSA title game. Their two games left before then are SMU and Tulsa, the #2 and #3 teams in their division.

[terpkristin]

Well, it's not just the uniforms that are ugly.

Embarrassing.

/tk

[Scarecrow]

Is Collin Klein eligible for All-American as a fullback?

[cartman]

A&M settled for a FG in the 4th OT, but Kansas State gets the TD in their half to get the win. Yet another game where A&M had a double digit lead in the 2nd half and lost.

[MJ4H]

Arkansas leads at half 21-7. I'll take it after that crappy second quarter.

[Vegas Vic]

A&M and Kansas State are heading to a 4th OT!

KSU 53 aTm 50

The two happiest teams in America right now are Ole Miss and Mississippi State; they'll no longer be the doormats in the SEC West. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, Aggy.

[cartman]

As opposed to Mizzou using their 2rd string RB (who was from TX and wasn't good enough to get a UT offer)

Yeah, Texas usually doesn't offer scholarships to guys who are projected backup players on other teams, especially ones projected to be 2rd string.

[cuervo72]

Don't bother with field goals, WKU.

[MJ4H]

Yeah, Texas usually doesn't offer scholarships to guys who are projected backup players on other teams, especially ones projected to be 2rd string.

maybe they should try it

[cartman]

I'm still trying to figure out just where 2rd falls on the depth chart.

[MJ4H]

its only on the eleventy man rosters

[MJ4H]

Here's Tennessee fumbling the ball earlier tonight. Correctly ruled a fumble on the field. Replay overturned it.

http://p.twimg.com/AeFigrJCQAAUOZp.jpg

Keep in mind, they have to have INDISPUTABLE EVIDENCE that this DIDN'T happen to overturn it.

Fucking baffling.

[Young Drachma]

Wyoming beats Air Force 25-17 in Colorado Springs to go 6-3, but they'll need another FBS win to become bowl eligible for the 2nd time in 3 years.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm still trying to figure out just where 2rd falls on the depth chart.

In the toilet, preferably.

[Grover]

Well, it's not just the uniforms that are ugly.

Embarrassing.

/tk

Those helmets are cringe-worthy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Arkansas doing everything they can to let Tennessee crawl back into it.

"Crawl" is a good description of the Vols running ability.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Yeah, Texas usually doesn't offer scholarships to guys who are projected backup players on other teams, especially ones projected to be 2rd string.

Or all-conference running backs evidently.

[MJ4H]

"Crawl" is a good description of the Vols running ability.

Well this young QB has shown some nice stuff.

[cartman]

Or all-conference running backs evidently.

Nope, we aim for Heisman Trophy winning running backs. Not ones that their own coaches miss and don't start.

[cuervo72]

In the toilet, preferably.

That's how I'd pronounce it as well.

[terpkristin]

Those helmets are cringe-worthy.

Well, I was referring to the Terps' play. But yeah.

At least we scored a TD..

/tk

[MJ4H]

Enjoy this punt return

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[cartman]

You mean they didn't review it and mark him out back at the 34? ;)

[MJ4H]

You mean they didn't review it and mark him out back at the 34? ;)

I was actually surprised.

[Julio Riddols]

It looks like Stanford's Luck has run out. The kind of performance that makes you question the hype.

[tucker rocky]

It looks like Stanford's Luck has run back in.

Oregon beginning to pull away, up 36-16.

[cuervo72]

I think I'd rather see an Oregon/LSU rematch than a Bama/LSU one.


(if OSU were to lose of course)

[Grover]

Oregon's D has been relentless. I'd like to see Luck lead a comeback, but I don't see it happening.

[kingfc22]

Stanford's defense is just too slow for Oregon.

[bronconick]

I think I'd rather see an Oregon/LSU rematch than a Bama/LSU one.


(if OSU were to lose of course)

Meh. Not really hyped about either. Oregon's offense is so much about executing rather than scheme that they're at a disadvantage in bowl games and openers. (OSU, Boise, Auburn, LSU)

[JonInMiddleGA]

From Coach Derek Doofus ... err, Dooley's post-game presser
"This is like we're in advanced school ... football school of beatdown learning."

[kcchief19]

Word out of Mizzou is that Henry Josey tore his ACL, MCL and PCL. Just sick. He's been a great story and a blast to watch play. I really hope he makes it back, but with that recovery it wouldn't surprise me if he redshirts next year -- recovering from all three could easily take 12-18 months.

Just horrible. He was the fourth leading rusher in the NCAA this year, and he had more than 60 fewer carries than the guys in front of him. Was averaging a ridiculous 8.6 yards per carry, and was well on his way to breaking the Mizzou season rushing record.

The glimmer of hope -- it's very similar to the knee injury Jeremy Maclin suffered in July 2006 when he tore his ACL and two other tendons in his knee -- and 13 months later he was an all-world player as a redshirt freshman.

Other glimmer of hope -- the orthopedic surgeon working on Josey is the same guy who did Maclin's surgery.

[Grover]

Word out of Mizzou is that Henry Josey tore his ACL, MCL and PCL. Just sick. He's been a great story and a blast to watch play. I really hope he makes it back, but with that recovery it wouldn't surprise me if he redshirts next year -- recovering from all three could easily take 12-18 months.



Augh. I tore all three in a hockey accident in high school. Absolutely horrible / devastating injury. Wow, that is just awful.

[Danny]

Luck hasn't played great, but he is getting no help from his offense or defense

[MizzouRah]

Ouch. B12 leading rusher Henry Josey just got carted off with a knee injury. We have depth, but never good to lose the conference leader.

Horrible looking injury on TV.

So happy we beat Texas though.. cool of their coach to run over and wish Josey the best after he was being carted off the field.

[RomaGoth]

Luck hasn't played great, but he is getting no help from his offense or defense

Stanford is really just an above average team with a really good QB. I think Oregon exposed them for that tonight, and no way were they worthy of a top-5 ranking.

Really, the same could be said about Boise State as well. This year's team is not as good as last years and the defense appears to have taken a step back. Disappointing to lose like this (another missed field goal).

Ah well, I now have no reason to defend BSU in any NC debates! And, I can devote more attention to my Wolverines, just wish Robinson would stop turning it over so damn much.

[Matthean]

It looks like Stanford's Luck has run out. The kind of performance that makes you question the hype.

I think I had assumed Oregon would win from pretty much day one. Stanford is a nice story with Luck, but there isn't enough there to think they can hang with the elite teams. Stanford and been label as a slower team although big and physical and that's going to get you killed against the big boys.

I think the Rose Bowl committee is going to start praying and fasting for Wisconsin to win the Big Ten because I can't imagine under any circumstance they want PSU, or MSU showing up against Oregon.

With the loss, Stanford, or maybe the OU/OSU loser might be taking on 'Bama in the Sugar unless 'Bama works its way in to a rematch.

[Izulde]

Lost to New Mexico of all teams. Hell, can we please hit the eject button on Hauck?

[jbergey22]

Wow. Missed an exciting night of college football it seems.
Boise and Stanford go down.

Really shocked by the Stanford result. I thought it being in Stanford would slow Oregon down and I thought Stanford could force them into throwing the ball. I guess Oregon is just going to run it down teams throats no matter who they play.

[Swaggs]

If Arkansas beats LSU, who wins the SEC West (assuming Alabama/Arkansas/LSU each have one loss)?

I am kind of hoping that Oklahoma State and LSU just win out, at this point. I don't want to see LSU play Oregon or Alabama again.

[Butter]

Someone explain to me how Oklahoma is ranked higher than any 1 loss teams right now. They lost, at home, to a bottom level Big 12 team. None of the other top 10 teams has a loss that bad on their schedule.

Stupid fucking "eye test" strikes again, I guess.

[booradley]

I'm thinking Hell and no.

This made me chuckle. I'm totally stealing it ...

[Buccaneer]

I can't believe New Mexico actually won a game. That's cool. They had truly been one of the most dreadful D1 teams I had seen in my lifetime.

[bronconick]

ACC officials have issues when Matt Millen spends most of an afternoon calling you incompetent.

[Matthean]

If Arkansas beats LSU, who wins the SEC West (assuming Alabama/Arkansas/LSU each have one loss)?

I'm thinking it's the last tie breaker being who is higher in the BCS standings.

Someone explain to me how Oklahoma is ranked higher than any 1 loss teams right now. They lost, at home, to a bottom level Big 12 team. None of the other top 10 teams has a loss that bad on their schedule.

Stupid fucking "eye test" strikes again, I guess.

It helps that they went on the road and beat KSU 58-17 and then beat A&M 41-25. OU did drop down 8 after that loss. Granted Wisconsin dropped 8 after getting beat by MSU on a hail Mary pass while on the road. If I compare them to the 1 loss teams out there, I think they would do rather well. Only Oregon is a question mark and that will get fixed when the next BCS standings comes out.

[bronconick]

I think it's BCS standings with a caveat if two of them are within 5 of each other and ahead of the 3rd by 5+, it goes back to head to head between the first two.

[Cuckoo]

It helps that they went on the road and beat KSU 58-17 and then beat A&M 41-25. OU did drop down 8 after that loss.

Voters are almost giving them a pass on Texas Tech. I'm not sure if they should, of course, as Oklahoma's one loss is easily the worst. But out of their 8 wins, 7 of the teams are .500 or better, Kansas being the only exception.

[MJ4H]

I see a lot of people complain about Oklahoma's one loss being so terrible so they shouldn't be ranked ahead of Arkansas whose one loss isn't so bad. I keep having to remind them that more games were played than that one. The entire season's resume is what counts, not just the losses.

[Cuckoo]

If Oregon, Alabama and OU all end up with one loss, assuming LSU is undefeated, it'll be an interesting scenario. OU will get a huge boost in the computers and voters' minds if they beat #2-ranked OSU on the road, only further enhancing their strength of schedule. Then, there will be the whole aspect of the rematch vs. no rematch.

Who knows... It may all sort itself out (Arkansas is indeed a wild card), but I certainly won't complain if OU doesn't make it. They have some nice wins. That loss to Texas Tech is just looking unexplainable, though.

[bronconick]

The computers love the Big XII this year. Sagarin has 5-5 Texas A&M and Missouri 10th and 11th.

....or are they getting a SEC boost already?

[Eaglesfan27]

Had a very hectic weekend and just finished watching USC-Washington. Very happy with how the Trojans are playing now.

[Matthean]

More than likely, yes. The computers would like that they would have beaten Southern Miss in the CUSA title game. Their two games left before then are SMU and Tulsa, the #2 and #3 teams in their division.

Just looked and BSU is one spot ahead of Houston. I could see Houston getting in, but there is going to be a brutal match up in there somewhere.

Unofficially speaking...

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Tostitos Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. BCS

Allstate Sugar – ‘Bama vs. BCS

Discover Orange – BCS vs. Clemson/VT

Allstate BCS National Championship Game – LSU vs. OSU

Big East winner can go anywhere. Houston has to go somewhere as well. I just looked up on ESPN and they have bowl projections up and not the usual what teams from a conference go where and skipping on official match ups.

Rose Bowl Game – Oregon vs. Wisconsin

Tostitos Fiesta - Oklahoma vs. Stanford

Allstate Sugar – ‘Bama vs. Houston

Discover Orange – Cincinnati vs. Clemson

Allstate BCS National Championship Game – LSU vs. OSU

College Bowl Games - 2011 College Bowl Projections and Schedules - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls)

[fpres]

Yeah, Boise State is probably done. If they don't win the MWC, they can't get the BCS at-large bid (even if they're still ahead of Houston). Southern Miss may still give Houston a game though.

[dawgfan]

Had a very hectic weekend and just finished watching USC-Washington. Very happy with how the Trojans are playing now.
Suffice it to say, you guys won the line of scrimmage on both sides. Good luck with Oregon.

[Ksyrup]

ACC officials have issues when Matt Millen spends most of an afternoon calling you incompetent.

I hated everything about that game. I'm really getting to the point where I think Jimbo has to get an OC. I love him as head coach, but his playcalling is way too conservative. Offense tried nothing early in the game, simply because we were up 3-0. Miami scores, and suddenly it's 6 plays down the field to get the lead back. Get the punt return from Reid, a couple of FGs, and suddenly it's turtle time again, giving Miami a chance to come back from 23-7 instead of burying them 37-7. I can't take it.

EJ Manual's biggest strength as a QB is his dual threat ability, and they don't use it. Unless that shoulder's still hurt, there's no excuse. I know you don't want to lose him but if you're that afraid he'll get injured running it, then I guess he's not quite the "total package" he appears.

I expect the ACC to apologize for the Bradham penalty and ejection. That was absurd. As someone on twitter summed it up, "Well, he hit him really really hard and he has gold teeth, so that's an automatic ejection."

[Ksyrup]

My Lord...ACC stands by the call against Nigel Bradham. That is unbelievable. It was so bad that even AL FREAKIN GOLDEN came out and said the hit was legal and he hopes Bradham is allowed to play, because he doesn't want to see one of his guys called for a penalty like that when it shouldn't have been made. He kept both feet on the ground, hit him with the shoulder, into the shoulder. Yes, it was brutal, but this is freakin football. WOW.

Go to 1:30 and you can see the slow-mo replay. Not even close to a penalty.

http://<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/UG6xdsYw9cY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> (http://<iframe width=)

[jbergey22]

I guess I dont know if that is a penalty or not anymore with how stupid that rule has gotten but the ejection is a complete joke.

Millen actually had a good point. Yeah there should be a penalty on that play but it should be on the quarterback trying to force it in there like that.

[dawgfan]

I get the intent of the rules, but we keep seeing more and more evidence that it's very difficult for officials to call these plays correctly. And that creates a tough situation for coaches, because they don't really know how to coach their players.

The NCAA rules committee needs to go back to the drawing board on this one.

[Ksyrup]

NFL, too.

The bottom line for me is that football - college and pro - is attempting to legislate injury out of the game. That is impossible. So what they've done is gone beyond a strict interpretation of rules designed to protect against the threat of an injury - hits to the head, late hits, defenseless players, etc. - and are now calling those penalties on "ESPN highlight" plays that are not illegal. That hit looked bad, so they threw a flag and claimed he launched himself. Total BS. It looked like he knocked the kid out, so they called a penalty. End of story. And you just can't do that with a game rooted in violence.

The problem I have with this, and I think I posted something to this effect in the NFL thread last week, is that the defensive players are paying for split-second decisions that the offensive player controls. When there's a wet field, we always talk about how the offensive player has the advantage because he knows where he's going - the defense has to react, and thus is at a disadavantage. So in the situation of an impending hit, the offensive player haas the ball and makes a split-second decision to lower his head, dive, move one way or the other, whatever the move is, and the defensive player is already in the process of aiming a legal hit where the guy was a second ago. It's not always his fault that he hits high. The offensive player should have some responsibility for avoiding that type of hit. It shouldn't all fall on the defense. And to keep calling penalties as if the defensive player can react that quickly is a joke and suggests the leagues don't uinderstand the game - or basic physics, for that matter.

[dawgfan]

I'm in full agreement. The rules as written now ignore physics and are asking defensive players to do things they simply can't control. I totally get legislating against head-hunting/spearing/helmet-to-helmet hits, but it's very hard to enforce that consistently and fairly. Perhaps they need to be willing to subject such plays to review? We're talking bang-bang plays that are very hard to get right in real-time.

But even then, you have situations where the defender does everything in his power to produce a hard but legal hit, only to have the offensive player do something at the last second (before the defender has time to adjust) to result in a penalty.

Again, it makes it very hard on a coach - how do you teach your players to play by the rules when the rules necessarily can result in a foul when the defender has done the correct thing?

[RainMaker]

The only consistency I see on the rules is that you'll get flagged for hitting a guy really hard regardless of how you do it. I actually think college calls the game much better in this regard with the NFL being far too flag happy.

One thing that bothers me is that no one blames the offense. If your QB is getting hit a lot, don't throw and send 5 receivers out. If your WR gets clocked, don't lead him over the middle where the defense is. It seems offensive coordinators have stopped caring about their players and want the league to allow them impunity to do whatever they want.

There is a reason Wes Welker is going to break the Jerry Rice's single season records. It's not because he's better, it's because Rice would be dead if he had to go over the middle that much in his era.

[tarcone]

Two hand touch, anyone?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Louisville coach blames poor play of team on Call of Duty 4 release.....

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1212457p1.html

[dawgfan]

Louisville coach blames poor play of team on Call of Duty 4 release.....

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1212457p1.html
There may be some grains of truth to that. Hard to believe that some kids aren't horrible about their time allocation and staying up all night playing the latest game.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

There may be some grains of truth to that. Hard to believe that some kids aren't horrible about their time allocation and staying up all night playing the latest game.

It's just a new distraction. Alcohol, girls, parties, video games, etc. I think it's true they get distracted, but I just found it amusing he chose to single out COD4 for this week.

[Young Drachma]

I don't think there's anything wrong with a bunch of college kids being up too late playing a game. They're not professionals.

In other news:

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/cougars/52922957-88/byu-east-football-conference.html.csp

Provo • Still recovering from the departure of longtime conference rival Utah to the Pac-12 Conference, Brigham Young University football coach Bronco Mendenhall said last week that BYU and national power Boise State should be in the same league together moving forward as “natural rivals” in the Intermountain West.

Indications are strong that Mendenhall’s wish is about to come true.

The Salt Lake Tribune learned Tuesday and first reported on its website that BYU is close to joining the Big East Conference as a football-only member — perhaps within the next day or two — and that Boise State will join as well upon being assured of at least one western partner in the far-flung league.

It is unclear whether the moves would take place next year, in 2013, or even 2014.

A source familiar with the ongoing talks between BYU and other schools and the Big East confirmed that the conference and schools could announce before the end of the week that a western division has been formed that also includes Southern Methodist and Houston. Air Force, BYU’s former Mountain West Conference rival, has also been invited, but a different western-based source told The Tribune on Tuesday that Air Force is not ready to make a decision yet.

Houston, SMU and Central Florida have been invited to the Big East as full members and are said to be waiting on a decision from the western schools before making official announcements that they have accepted. Getting the schools to agree on the timing of those announcements has also delayed the process, the source said.

Navy, which is also a football independent, has been invited to be a football-only member of the Big East, but is said to be keeping an eye on Air Force’s plans before taking the leap.

The Big East is trying to get back to 12 football-playing members with the pending departures of Pittsburgh and Syracuse to the ACC and West Virginia to the Big 12. TCU was ticketed to join the Big East, but will now take a spot in the Big 12, a spot that BYU coveted if certain demands were met regarding its complicated television broadcast plans

[dawgfan]

It's just a new distraction. Alcohol, girls, parties, video games, etc. I think it's true they get distracted, but I just found it amusing he chose to single out COD4 for this week.
Well, somehow I doubt most of those guys are playing Uncharted or camping out waiting for Skyrim ;)