NFL Week 10

[Dutch]

...and the Bucs grab Albert Haynesworth off waivers. :confused:

meh...why not I guess...we lost another underachiver for the season (DT McCoy) so at least we can fill that void on our D-line.

Suddenly and unfortunately I have no choice but to wish this bum all the best.

[Matthean]

Lions @ Bears. Huge game for the division and wildcard race.

[RainMaker]

For anyone wondering if their team should have picked up Haynesworth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFzp3uHua40

[Butter]

Bengals / Steelers! Woo!

The first real team we've played since San Francisco beat us 13-8.

[jbergey22]

For anyone wondering if their team should have picked up Haynesworth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFzp3uHua40

Wow, what a joke. Fans should ask for their money back. I guess that would sum up his career very well.

[RendeR]

Bengals / Steelers! Woo!

The first real team we've played since San Francisco beat us 13-8.


Indeed, I'm very excited to see how the New Bengals handle the divisional games. They are always tight hard fought affairs. The next 4 weeks will show us just how good they are right now.

[Grover]

Bengals / Steelers! Woo!

The first real team we've played since San Francisco beat us 13-8.

I am a combination of excited and terrified for this game. I think covering Wallace could be an issue for the Bengals, especially if they saw how Hall was biting on the back shoulder throw against Seattle.

I do think the Bengals can win however, always play the North teams tough. Maybe if they win and Dalton has a good performance he can get some ROY love over Newton.

[Butter]

I think the Bengals are going to get killed, but that's why they play the games.

[jbergey22]

I think the Bengals are going to get killed, but that's why they play the games.

Nah, you are playing at home. They just got done playing a physical draining game against the Ravens. They are ripe for a beatdown.

[Butter]

I would feel better if the Steelers had won on Sunday night.

[JediKooter]

Tough game tonight...tough to pick who is going to win it. Both teams love to self destruct. If the Chargers can run the ball, they'll win. If they can't run against a team that gave up a ton of yards on the ground to Denver this past Sunday, well, I don't see it ending well for the Chargers.

If the Chargers can run:
28 - 14

If the Chargers can't run:
17 - 20

[RomaGoth]

...and the Bucs grab Albert Haynesworth off waivers. :confused:

meh...why not I guess...we lost another underachiver for the season (DT McCoy) so at least we can fill that void on our D-line.

Suddenly and unfortunately I have no choice but to wish this bum all the best.

I thought he was the next Warren Sapp! :D

[stevew]

Who else knew you couldn't get pass interference on the outside receiver in a punt formation.

[RedKingGold]

Is it just me, or are there a bunch of technical snafus on Thursday Night Football tonight?

[Matthean]

Palmer is 10 of 12 for 250 yards with 2 TDs. Looks like he might be getting the kinks smoothed out.

[stevew]

Unreal call there. Defender touches the ball with his ass and he is out of bounds and it's not a TD?

[Mustang]

I'm learnin' some shit tonight.

Of course, poor Ed Hochuli.. has to deal with these 2 rules.

[jbergey22]

The Chargers turn losing games into an art form. They find new and usual ways to piss away games.

Id put them up there with the Vikings as most frustrating franchise to cheer for.

[thesloppy]

So, is Hue Jackson dubbed by Denny Green?

[stevew]

Really would like a Sak breakdown on 2 calls.

-No possibility of PI on the outer gunner? I gather this is why we never see this sort of fake punt. I think it's reasonable to say that Oak didn't know the rules if they called the play. And the SD defender didn't....otherwise he could have blasted the fuck out of the WR and got an easy pick. If this rule is so obscure that one could reasonably ascertain that common knowledge of the rule does not exist....the rule needs to be reworked possibly.

The out of bounds play in the end zone? I could understand if the defender made a hand touch play on the ball, but inadvertent non hand touching doesn't seem like it should affect the call.

[rowech]

At some point people need to start talking about Rivers and Romo in the same sentences. So much talent from both and never can get over the hump. Not to mention Rivers has consistently had much better talent, having a HOF tight end and a HOF RB and pretty decent WRs.

[jbergey22]

At some point people need to start talking about Rivers and Romo in the same sentences. So much talent from both and never can get over the hump. Not to mention Rivers has consistently had much better talent, having a HOF tight end and a HOF RB and pretty decent WRs.

They are a good comparison. I think what has kept people from comparing them much to this point was that Rivers had a decent repuation of pulling out 4th quarter games until 2-3 years ago.

The personalities of these two are a lot different though. Romo is aloof to the point of annoying(not as bad as Jay Cutler) while Rivers whines and complains to anyone that will listen.

[Raiders Army]

Really would like a Sak breakdown on 2 calls.

-No possibility of PI on the outer gunner? I gather this is why we never see this sort of fake punt. I think it's reasonable to say that Oak didn't know the rules if they called the play. And the SD defender didn't....otherwise he could have blasted the fuck out of the WR and got an easy pick. If this rule is so obscure that one could reasonably ascertain that common knowledge of the rule does not exist....the rule needs to be reworked possibly.

The out of bounds play in the end zone? I could understand if the defender made a hand touch play on the ball, but inadvertent non hand touching doesn't seem like it should affect the call.

Both were BS calls. On PI on the gunner, there was another punt later in the game (4th QTR I believe) where one of the Raiders' gunners was called for Holding and it was a 5 yard penalty and an automatic first down. At least be consistent in your calls Hoculi.

The out of bounds play was a strange call. I'm guessing that the rule came down from the booth, but it's really ticky-tacky.

Finally, I'd just like to say that I enjoyed an NFL Network game for the first time. Bryant "Barney" Gumbel was the PBP man and it made a huge difference when the PBP man knew the players. Mayock's commentary was pretty good as well.

[Butter]

Jesus, does nobody remember how to defend Carson Palmer? You just sit back and play Cover 2, and make him throw intermediate routes, during which he will inevitably throw several passes WAY too fucking high. Sit back and enjoy the pick 6's that result.

[Ksyrup]

Funniest tweet I saw about the Haynesworth situation was a RT of a general message stating that the Buccs game was blacked out this weekend. The comment: "Albert Haynesworth's ass is THAT BIG?!"

[Pumpy Tudors]

I didn't even see the Raiders/Chargers game, but after reading about this non-call of pass interference on the fake punt, I really appreciate the effort of the officials. There are some of those obscure rules out there that almost none of us know, and they have to remember and apply them on the rare instances that they occur. I get that it's their job to know that, but it's still impressive, especially when you have Joe Blow sitting in a sports bar thinking he's the biggest sports fan ever and knows everything.

NFL Rules Digest: Pass Interference (http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/passinterference)

Just from reading that, I also learned that there's no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage. I didn't know that before. Good stuff.

[Julio Riddols]

Jesus, does nobody remember how to defend Carson Palmer? You just sit back and play Cover 2, and make him throw intermediate routes, during which he will inevitably throw several passes WAY too fucking high. Sit back and enjoy the pick 6's that result.

He still damn near threw the game away last night with his inability to sense the rush or throw more than 4 or 5 different routes. The deep streak, the come back, the short out, the shovel pass, and the screen are about all he can do. He really does have a great passing arm, but he's less aware in the pocket than a blind and deaf man whose feet are numb and his arm is programmed only for those throws.

[Julio Riddols]

Unreal call there. Defender touches the ball with his ass and he is out of bounds and it's not a TD?

This makes me think the way to play a fade from now on is just to go stand out of bounds and touch the ball when the receiver gets it.

[Chief Rum]

As a former LA Rams fan, I sorta gave up on being a "fan" of a football team a long, long time ago. I still watched football, of course, but I watched it for the football. Then I started to get into fantasy football, so it became natural for me to root for my players, or to become a fan who roots for individuals over the team, and offense (producing fantasy points) over defense (stopping fantasy points).

So it's in that context that I offer up a change of heart I had last night. I have always liked the Chargers' players, particularly LT when he was there and Gates. The Chargers were fun to watch, so they generally made for a good show. And being in LA, apparently a "secondary market" of San Diego, I was subjected to a lot of Chargers games anyway. Similarly, I could not stand the Raiders, how their organization was run, the arrogance, the Bay Area fans and the locals who never let go of the Raiders after they went back to Oakland.

My change of heart was my realization that I was rooting for the Raiders to win and that I really did not much like the Chargers. Reason being, the Chargers don't do what they're freakin' supposed to. They're supposed to be a title contender, with this great offense. But they consistently underachieve, both within games and in seasons as a whole. When a team does this so consistently, it really irks me. I can't count on them for winning or losing games they should. And I can't stand stupidity, and there are just dumb decisions made all the time, particularly by Norv Turner and Phillip Rivers. Like the end zone shot where Rivers threw the interception. Just dumb on so many levels. And if you blame that one on Vincent Jackson (I don't), well, there's another Rhodes scholar for ya. Stupdity and laziness. I can't stand these traits. And they lead to teams like the Chargers.

[RomaGoth]

As a former LA Rams fan, I sorta gave up on being a "fan" of a football team a long, long time ago. I still watched football, of course, but I watched it for the football. Then I started to get into fantasy football, so it became natural for me to root for my players, or to become a fan who roots for individuals over the team, and offense (producing fantasy points) over defense (stopping fantasy points).

So it's in that context that I offer up a change of heart I had last night. I have always liked the Chargers' players, particularly LT when he was there and Gates. The Chargers were fun to watch, so they generally made for a good show. And being in LA, apparently a "secondary market" of San Diego, I was subjected to a lot of Chargers games anyway. Similarly, I could not stand the Raiders, how their organization was run, the arrogance, the Bay Area fans and the locals who never let go of the Raiders after they went back to Oakland.

My change of heart was my realization that I was rooting for the Raiders to win and that I really did not much like the Chargers. Reason being, the Chargers don't do what they're freakin' supposed to. They're supposed to be a title contender, with this great offense. But they consistently underachieve, both within games and in seasons as a whole. When a team does this so consistently, it really irks me. I can't count on them for winning or losing games they should. And I can't stand stupidity, and there are just dumb decisions made all the time, particularly by Norv Turner and Phillip Rivers. Like the end zone shot where Rivers threw the interception. Just dumb on so many levels. And if you blame that one on Vincent Jackson (I don't), well, there's another Rhodes scholar for ya. Stupdity and laziness. I can't stand these traits. And they lead to teams like the Chargers.

You could have saved me a lot of time by just stating that you hate Norv Turner.

[Chief Rum]

You could have saved me a lot of time by just stating that you hate Norv Turner.

Haha...not enough words in that sentence.

I don't think it's just Norv, although he's obviously a key component.

[JediKooter]

So the Broncos just got finished running for almost 300 yards this past Sunday against the Raiders. So, what does Norv "The Genius" Turner do? He stays away from the run. STROKE OF GENIUS NORV!! Absolutely top notch coaching you brought to the game last night. Please, please continue this masterful approach to coaching. I can only hope that AJ Smith can pull his inflated ego out of his ass long enough to see what you are doing to this team and fire you.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Sadly, not surprised by this:

Man stabbed during fight after Raiders-Chargers game - NFL - CBSSports.com Football (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/16069954/man-stabbed-after-raiderschargers-game)

At one point in the game, when the camera panned the crowd, and you could see pockets of Raiders and Chargers fans, my thoughts immediately flashed to the Giants/Dodgers incident. I wasn't aware of the earlier Raiders/9ers issue.

[RomaGoth]

So the Broncos just got finished running for almost 300 yards this past Sunday against the Raiders. So, what does Norv "The Genius" Turner do? He stays away from the run. STROKE OF GENIUS NORV!! Absolutely top notch coaching you brought to the game last night. Please, please continue this masterful approach to coaching. I can only hope that AJ Smith can pull his inflated ego out of his ass long enough to see what you are doing to this team and fire you.

I blame it all on Stan Humphries.

[JediKooter]

Sadly, not surprised by this:

Man stabbed during fight after Raiders-Chargers game - NFL - CBSSports.com Football (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/16069954/man-stabbed-after-raiderschargers-game)

At one point in the game, when the camera panned the crowd, and you could see pockets of Raiders and Chargers fans, my thoughts immediately flashed to the Giants/Dodgers incident. I wasn't aware of the earlier Raiders/9ers issue.

Not the first Raiders/Chargers game to have a stabbing. At least this one happened after the game and not in the stands during the game, like the last one.

RomaGoth]blame it all on Stan Humphries.

Hehe! Nice one. I blame Bobby Bethard for forcing out Bobby Ross.

[Matthean]

Chris Brown on the success of the 49ers and Alex Smith - Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7218353/quarterbacking-made-simple)

Nice read on what Harbaugh is doing with Alex Smith to make it easier for him.

[Chief Rum]

Chris Brown on the success of the 49ers and Alex Smith - Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7218353/quarterbacking-made-simple)

Nice read on what Harbaugh is doing with Alex Smith to make it easier for him.

"Receive ball from center."
"Turn."
"Hand ball off to Frank Gore."

[Wolfpack]

I'm trying to decide whether to feel guilty about the Panthers hiring away Rivera and Chud from San Diego, especially Chud. It definitely looks like Rivers has gone to pot this year (and it kills me a bit to say that about one of the best Wolfpack football players in history) while, perhaps coincidentally, Cam Newton has done everything but win football games for the Panthers.

[cougarfreak]

I'm looking forward to the Bengals/Steelers game. Hopefully the Bengals will prove they are somewhat legit.

[Chubby]

Desean Jackson inactive due to missing a meeting saturday

[Thomkal]

Desean Jackson inactive due to missing a meeting saturday

thanks for that Desean-figured you'd eat up my beloved Cards today

[spleen1015]

Yes! Skins to the Super Bowl now that Grossman is back! Woot Woot!

[Grover]

I'm looking forward to the Bengals/Steelers game. Hopefully the Bengals will prove they are somewhat legit.

Who Dey!

[tucker rocky]

Yes! Skins to the Super Bowl now that Grossman is back! Woot Woot!

What? Well, I guess the John Beck experience returns to practice mode.

Trent Edwards is available. :D

[Grover]

Grossman will at least make enough right reads

To opposing DBs?

[EagleFan]

Desean Jackson inactive due to missing a meeting saturday

He's been killing me anyway, at least this forces me to go to Nelson from the Bills who has been outscoring him as of late but I couldn't get myself to make the move with the possibility that Jackson could have a breakout game (which I thought was going to be today).

[spleen1015]

It feels to me like Shanahan is always just looking for a reason to bring in the next guy.

I'm ready for him to go.

[EagleFan]

Why not play a field position game there instead of giving the Cardinals great starting field position?

[cougarfreak]

Was Rothliesberger not across the line of scrimmage on the TD pass?

[Grover]

Bengals down a touchdown 6 minutes in.

[Grover]

Was Rothliesberger not across the line of scrimmage on the TD pass?

Glad I'm not the only one who saw that.

[molson]

There's nothing sadder than benching your starting QB, but then bringing him back because the backup is really that much worse.

[cougarfreak]

Glad I'm not the only one who saw that.

I thought so for sure from the blue line on TV.

[EagleFan]

Was Rothliesberger not across the line of scrimmage on the TD pass?

That evens things up for when he didn't reach the goal line. :)

[cougarfreak]

Then CBS shows the replay, and establishes he wasn't, before he throws the ball. Sure looked like he was when he did.

[Grover]

Well this is going to be a long afternoon.

[TroyF]

Broncos start off the game well. A Miller sack and some Chiefs penalties forces a punt. Then Denver simply runs over the Chiefs. No option or anything fancy until Tebow goes in from 8 yards on a QB draw.

McGahee hurt his hamstring on that drive which is a huge concern.

[kingfc22]

Maclin just got popped hard. Might be big with Jackson benched.

[TroyF]

Broncos just ran a triple option with Tebow, Ball and Eddie Royal. Royal was the wide man and took the pitch for about 12 yards. It's the end of the first quarter:

Denver has had the ball for over 8 minutes. 14 plays, 14 designed runs. 6 first downs, 1 TD, 2/2 on third down conversions.

[Grover]

AJ Green just made an incredible 36 yard TD grab in the end zone. Came down really hard on his right leg.

[TroyF]

Somebody needs to explain Kansas City to me. The Broncos have now run 18 plays. 17 of them are runs. Of those runs, only 1 was an option. The other two were obvious QB draws. The pass was a play action pass where Tebow put it on the money and a combination of poor receiver play and decent coverage caused the incompletion.

Those 17 runs have netted 115 yards or about 7 yards a carry. Now, I ask, if you have a QB who you think can't throw the ball, how in the world are you getting yourself torn apart like this?

As I typed that the Broncos had another 6 yard run on first down. They aren't even pretending they care about throwing the football now.

[whomario]

yeah, that greene td was great, hope he´s not going to be hampered by the injury

romo starts 11/11 for 179 and 3 tds

[cartman]

Nelson of the Bills scores a TD, then runs over and hugs a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and gives her the ball. Turns out she is his girlfriend. :)

[TroyF]

Nelson of the Bills scores a TD, then runs over and hugs a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and gives her the ball. Turns out she is his girlfriend. :)

I saw that on ESPN this morning. He said he had a celebration planned, but said it didn't involve a proposal. Ball instead of a ring. Cheaper I guess.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Nelson of the Bills scores a TD, then runs over and hugs a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and gives her the ball. Turns out she is his girlfriend. :)
I had read an article earlier in the week where Nelson said that he had something planned. I wasn't expecting a marriage proposal or anything, but... a hug and a football? Urgh.

[kingfc22]

Houston is making the Tampa defense look silly.

[larrymcg421]

LOL announcers talk about how historically bad the Dolphins defense has been at getting takeaways and on the very next play Rex throws an INT.

[Grover]

Reggie Nelson just dropped a sure pick. That's the third time this year he's dropped one right in his hands.

[TroyF]

Jonathan Baldwin of the Chiefs just made one of the greatest catches I've ever seen and it didn't count because of offsetting penalties.

Brian Dawkins was faceguarding him about 40 yards down the field. Baldwin reached both hands around Dawkins waist, caught the ball on the back of Dawkins numbers, as he was falling down he got the ball back around without it hitting the ground. Simply amazing. You guys need to check that one out.

[whomario]

25 runs to 1 pass by the Broncos.

Obviously it´s still about winning for them with how crappy the division is, but this really won´t tell them a thing about Tebow´s ability going forward.

And i might spin this the wrong way, but if they do this for a couple games and Tebow still plays hard than this would tell a lot about his character as it´s very clearly telling him "we won´t wait for you to show us if you can pass, just hand it off, ok ?".

[TroyF]

25 runs to 1 pass by the Broncos.

Obviously it´s still about winning for them with how crappy the division is, but this really won´t tell them a thing about Tebow´s ability going forward.

And i might spin this the wrong way, but if they do this for a couple games and Tebow still plays hard than this would tell a lot about his character as it´s very clearly telling him "we won´t wait for you to show us if you can pass, just hand it off, ok ?".

I couldn't agree with you more. Obviously, the goal is to win. But at the end of the day, you have to find out what you have here. Running the ball on 3rd and 6 isn't going to tell you anything.

[Grover]

Perhaps the Broncos know they have nothing.

[TroyF]

Perhaps the Broncos know they have nothing.

But you can't know that. No matter how much everyone wants to bash the kid, he deserves a fair chance. Running an offense that never lets him thrown is not a fair chance.

[EagleFan]

Wow, that's an interesting offensive breakdown for the Broncos at the half. 169 yards of offense; 0 yards passing.

[Grover]

But you can't know that. No matter how much everyone wants to bash the kid, he deserves a fair chance. Running an offense that never lets him thrown is not a fair chance.

Oh, I agree that he deserves a chance.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Call me a puddle of goo, but if I'm winning in a rival's building by running on every play, I'm gonna keep running on every play.

[cartman]

I had read an article earlier in the week where Nelson said that he had something planned. I wasn't expecting a marriage proposal or anything, but... a hug and a football? Urgh.

I think that if he gets another TD, he will break out a move that can only be described as "The Pumpy Tudors". I hope CBS has some FCC fine money set aside.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think that if he gets another TD, he will break out a move that can only be described as "The Pumpy Tudors". I hope CBS has some FCC fine money set aside.
This has to happen. :cool:

[tucker rocky]

Nelson of the Bills scores a TD, then runs over and hugs a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader and gives her the ball. Turns out she is his girlfriend. :)

I saw that on ESPN this morning. He said he had a celebration planned, but said it didn't involve a proposal. Ball instead of a ring. Cheaper I guess.

I had read an article earlier in the week where Nelson said that he had something planned. I wasn't expecting a marriage proposal or anything, but... a hug and a football? Urgh.

Do you think Jerry Jones somehow acquires David Nelson in the offseason, if not this season?
I could see this happening given the circumstances here.

[TroyF]

Call me a puddle of goo, but if I'm winning in a rival's building by running on every play, I'm gonna keep running on every play.

The problem is the strategy backfired a little bit toward the end of the half. The Chiefs started stopping the run late and the offense died. The Broncos had a real chance at putting up more points at the end of the half and called a shovel pass on a 3rd and 7 from the 43 yard line.

The pass was dropped by Royal (and wouldn't have gotten anything anyway). There is no reason not to open up the playbook just a hair there and try for a six to eight yard completion.

People will look at 0-4, but the reality there was only 1 really bad throw. (a deep one to Decker that Tebow just missed on) The other three passes all could have been caught. I'm not saying you open up the playbook, I'm saying you shouldn't give up the pass completely.

[Grover]

I'm pretty content with the Bengals only down a TD at the half. The way the first two series went for either offense, it could have been a hell of a lot worse. Bengals are getting excellent pressure on Roethlisberger, but they've got to tighten up coverage on Brown and Cotchery.

[molson]

Troy Smith, Jason White, and Eric Crouch wish NFL teams thought it was absolutely "necessary to see what they had with them"

I don't get the line of thinking with Tebow at all, except I guess that they had to give in to media and fan pressure. There's a billion college QBs out there. Every one of them doesn't deserve a bunch of NFL starts just because, not even the QBs that were stars in college.

[cougarfreak]

Bengals took a pretty good shot from the Steelers, and held their own. The first drive in the 2nd half will be very telling. Hell, if I was Lewis, and I had any inclination at all the Steelers wouldn't be ready for it, I'd consider an onsides kick.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The problem is the strategy backfired a little bit toward the end of the half. The Chiefs started stopping the run late and the offense died. The Broncos had a real chance at putting up more points at the end of the half and called a shovel pass on a 3rd and 7 from the 43 yard line.

The pass was dropped by Royal (and wouldn't have gotten anything anyway). There is no reason not to open up the playbook just a hair there and try for a six to eight yard completion.

People will look at 0-4, but the reality there was only 1 really bad throw. (a deep one to Decker that Tebow just missed on) The other three passes all could have been caught. I'm not saying you open up the playbook, I'm saying you shouldn't give up the pass completely.
Then that's a halftime adjustment, and for all we know, the Broncos may come out and throw the ball 10-15 times in the second half. I'm not calling John Fox a genius or anything, but for most of the first half, the game plan seems to be working. I'm sure most coaches would love to get that kind of result out of the first half of a divisional game on the road.

I don't care who the quarterback is or what we know or don't know about him. At least until halftime adjustments can be made, I approve of sticking with what works.

[TroyF]

Troy Smith, Jason White, and Eric Crouch wish NFL teams thought it was absolutely "necessary to see what they had with them"

I don't get the line of thinking with Tebow at all, except I guess that they had to give in to media and fan pressure. There's a billion college QBs out there. Every one of them doesn't deserve a bunch of NFL starts just because, not even the QBs that were stars in college.

He's a first round pick. FIRST ROUND. Now maybe he should have been a 25th round pick and shouldn't be in the league. I'm ok with that line of thinking. In this day and age, I think you have to give any first round pick a shot. Roster building is too hard not to.

The other point? He's starting. It's not like you are winning games and he's on the bench. None of the players you mentioned above got a starting job under any circumstance. Tebow is starting, you may as well give him a fair shot and find out what you have.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Honestly, just for the statistical oddity of it, I hope the Broncos win with zero passing yards. Then let Tebow throw the ball 50 times next week.

[jbergey22]

It sure seems like the Broncos have a lot of confidence in Tebow.;)

[molson]

He's a first round pick. FIRST ROUND. Now maybe he should have been a 25th round pick and shouldn't be in the league. I'm ok with that line of thinking. In this day and age, I think you have to give any first round pick a shot. Roster building is too hard not to.

The other point? He's starting. It's not like you are winning games and he's on the bench. None of the players you mentioned above got a starting job under any circumstance. Tebow is starting, you may as well give him a fair shot and find out what you have.

Well, the only people that thought he was a 1st round pick aren't with the team anymore, right? And yes, they are starting him for whatever reason - I think just because of fan/media pressure overshadowing the team. But people were saying the same thing before he was starting this season - that they "had to see what they had with him"....at what point are you freed from someone else's 1st round mistake? Plenty of guys are drafted in the first round and don't become stars, or even consistent starters. It's simply Tebow's high profile that changes everything.

[jbergey22]

Leonard Hankerson is really good. I hope all of Shanny's 3rd round picks work out this well.

Do you have any explanation on why Helu has been shipped back to a non factor this week? Does the moron Shanahan give any clues as to why he does this or does he just want to piss people off?

[Pumpy Tudors]

The last time a team won a game with zero passing yards was September 29, 1974. Buffalo beat the Jets 16-12 with Joe Ferguson going 0-for-2 passing. Joe Ferguson was 24 years old on the day of that game. Tim Tebow is 24 years old today. This has to happen.

[tucker rocky]

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[Matthean]

It's kind of funny because on the ESPN chat people are asking if something is wrong due to the fact that it shows the Broncos haven't completed a pass yet.

[whomario]

nice drive and final pass by the Red Rifle :) Green didn´t play and tries to get loose on the sideline ...

[Grover]

Gresham! Bengals tie this one up at 17!

[whomario]

as for Denver : Is Moreno injured as well or is Ball just clearly the No2 RB (no1 with McGahee out) ?

[Pumpy Tudors]

as for Denver : Is Moreno injured as well or is Ball just clearly the No2 RB (no1 with McGahee out) ?
Knee injury in today's game. Return is doubtful.

[TroyF]

Well, the only people that thought he was a 1st round pick aren't with the team anymore, right? And yes, they are starting him for whatever reason - I think just because of fan/media pressure overshadowing the team. But people were saying the same thing before he was starting this season - that they "had to see what they had with him"....at what point are you freed from someone else's 1st round mistake? Plenty of guys are drafted in the first round and don't become stars, or even consistent starters. It's simply Tebow's high profile that changes everything.

If they wish to be freed, cut him. Seriously, just cut him.

The Broncos have mismanaged this thing from the start. He shouldn't have been a first round pick. He SHOULD have been used in the red zone the first few weeks of the year. (if they do, this Denver team likely has two more wins)

They aren't starting him because of media pressure. They are starting him because Orton was horrific and they had no other choice. The backup to Orton was Brady Freakin Quinn. It was time to give him a chance and they knew it.

The problem is they've come out in the third quarter the same way they started the game, only the Chiefs are now stuffing the run. It's causing the defense to be on the field forever. There is no reason they shouldn't be throwing the ball more today, especially after the Chiefs started getting the hang of it. The halftime adjustements Pumpy talked about have been non existent. Fox and McCoy didn't read the situation right. I hope they figure it out by the next possession.

[molson]

If they wish to be freed, cut him. Seriously, just cut him.

The Broncos have mismanaged this thing from the start. He shouldn't have been a first round pick. He SHOULD have been used in the red zone the first few weeks of the year. (if they do, this Denver team likely has two more wins)



There does seem to be a vibe here of pettiness, or disagreements behind the scenes or something, to where Fox is just like, "to hell with it, if I have to start him, he ain't throwing".

Cut him or treat him like his current abilities dictate - at best a 3rd stringer that you're converting into a FB, or some kind of backup change-of-pace option QB. But don't just start him because he's high profile, which is what's happening now.

[larrymcg421]

The last time a team won a game with zero passing yards was September 29, 1974. Buffalo beat the Jets 16-12 with Joe Ferguson going 0-for-2 passing. Joe Ferguson was 24 years old on the day of that game. Tim Tebow is 24 years old today. This has to happen.

Wow, Joe Namath's numbers from that game. 2 of 18, 33 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT.

[Matthean]

Tebow completes a pass out the shot gun for a first down. They go back to running the ball.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Welp, so much for my hope that the Broncos would win without a completion. I don't care what they do now, as long as they win.

[molson]

Welp, so much for my hope that the Broncos would win without a completion. I don't care what they do now, as long as they win.

I think Tebow can come up with a -14 yard passing play.

[Matthean]

End of 3. 64 passing yards in the Denver/KC game.

[Grover]

Mendenhall scores a TD from 9 yards out to put the Steelers back up 24-17.

Very frustrating that the Bengals are giving up long passes on 2nd/3rd and long after getting a sack.

[bulletsponge]

Texans raping TB

[JPhillips]

Mendenhall scores a TD from 9 yards out to put the Steelers back up 24-17.

Very frustrating that the Bengals are giving up long passes on 2nd/3rd and long after getting a sack.

Regardless of the outcome they've shown they can hang with the Steelers. I don't expect a playoff birth this year, but the Bengals have a bright future.

[Pumpy Tudors]

So the Broncos were just saving Tebow's arm for a bomb to Decker. See, John Fox knew what he was doing all along.

[TroyF]

3rd and 10, instead of running it's a pass. Tebow to Decker, 56 yards, Touchdown. Ball could not have been thrown better.

[Matthean]

What Denver is doing is pretty much insulting the manhood of KC's defense.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Just as Tebow was completing that 56-yard pass to Decker, I was typing up the last time a team won a game with only one completion. It was those same 1974 Buffalo Bills. They beat the Browns in Cleveland with Joe Ferguson going 1-for-7.

The last time a team won with two completions? Two years ago, Cleveland at Buffalo.

I've decided I'm basically going to shoot myself in the face if I'm ever forced to watch a Cleveland/Buffalo game.

[TroyF]

Texans raping TB

Amazing the year they lose Williams and Johnson to injuries is the year it looks like they'll cross over and make the playoffs. They could still tank it and find a way to blow the division and the playoffs, but I don't see it happening. Congrats to Kubiak. One of my favs from his Broncos days.

[Matthean]

Texans raping TB

My guess is TB will be the worst team in the division is a couple of years once Cam gets things straightened out. Just a brutal division to play in.

[TroyF]

What Denver is doing is pretty much insulting the manhood of KC's defense.

I think that's pretty accurate really. 48 rushes, 8 passes. Five yards a rush. Essentially saying stop us if you can and they haven't. In fairness, they adjusted better in the second half, but Tebow then gives them the stomach punch on 3rd and 10.

Refs just threw a ridiculous flag on the Broncos giving KC a first down they shouldn't have had. Really poor call there.

[Grover]

3rd and 10, instead of running it's a pass. Tebow to Decker, 56 yards, Touchdown. Ball could not have been thrown better.

Just saw the replay. Was indeed a beautiful ball.

[Julio Riddols]

A similarly poor call just gutted a Bengals drive late, now they need a stop and a game tying drive with less than 6 minutes left.

[jbergey22]

These Eagles are fun to watch.

Perhaps the 100m to Vick was a bit premature.

[Grover]

A similarly poor call just gutted a Bengals drive late, now they need a stop and a game tying drive with less than 6 minutes left.

Very poor holding call on Whitworth.

Good return for Brandon Tate into Steeler territory though.

I trust in the Red Rifle.

[Thomkal]

These Eagles are fun to watch.

Yes especially when my Cards are intercepting Vick. :)

[Grover]

Gay picks off Dalton. That might do it.

[jbergey22]

Steve Smith, lol...

[mckerney]

Love the Dolphins being up, now if Cleveland can just miss this kick I would be happy.

[mckerney]

Yes!

[Matthean]

Indy might be able to win a game and still be in first place for Suck for Luck. If they go 0-16 at this point, that is sad.

[mckerney]

Indy might be able to win a game and still be in first place for Suck for Luck. If they go 0-16 at this point, that is sad.

Still holding out hope the Vikings can do it with two wins.

[RedKingGold]

I think Cleveland is firmly in the Suck for Luck race.

[jbergey22]

Still holding out hope the Vikings can do it with two wins.

Yeah it would be nice but it wont happen unless they decide to sit AP. He is just too damn good.

[TroyF]

I'll never understand coaches. My pet peeve. The Chiefs get the ball in FG range with about 35 seconds left. Down 10 and out of timeouts, they need the onside kick and another score. So they proceed to run the clock down to 11 seconds to get the ball another 15 yards. Then kick the FG. Now they are trying the onside kick. If they do recover it, they have one hail mary left. Why not kick the FG early and give yourself a better chance to get the ball down the field with more than a single play? I never understand this strategy.

[JPhillips]

Gay picks off Dalton. That might do it.

I was afraid that was going to happen. Those quick hits are great, but a team like the Steelers will eventually start jumping those routes.

Even with the mistakes Dalton looked pretty good. The first interception wasn't really his fault and he was great at avoiding the pressure. If Green hadn't gotten hurt they might have won.

[Crapshoot]

Harry Douglas is ridiculous. 3 straight catches up the middle? Wow.

[Matthean]

I think Cleveland is firmly in the Suck for Luck race.

Only via trade, or do you expect Indy to go 3-3 and Cleveland to go 0-6?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Harry Douglas is ridiculous. 3 straight catches up the middle? Wow.
You might want to add that there was exactly zero defense on him on all three catches.

[Grover]

I was afraid that was going to happen. Those quick hits are great, but a team like the Steelers will eventually start jumping those routes.

Even with the mistakes Dalton looked pretty good. The first interception wasn't really his fault and he was great at avoiding the pressure. If Green hadn't gotten hurt they might have won.

Agree with everything you've said. The team can hang with the best in the AFC and I'm really looking forward to see how they do against Baltimore.

I can't be too down about the loss, even if it is to those yinzers.

[Matthean]

Cards up 21-17 on Eagles with under 2 minutes to go.

[Coffee Warlord]

Megatron is nearly beheaded by Julius Peppers, fumbles, sets up a quick Bears TD.

[bulletsponge]

ATl that was the stupidest play call ive ever seen

[TroyF]

A case of unacceptable officiating allows the Giants 3 points against the Niners. Clear fumble, they blew the play dead and didn't allow it to be reviewed. Just a terrible cal. One of the worst I've seen this year.

[kingfc22]

Niners red zone defense continues to be solid.

[JonInMiddleGA]

You don't hand the ball backwards on 4th & inches, you just don't.

[bulletsponge]

4th down on thier own 30 and they go for it.

[kingfc22]

A case of unacceptable officiating allows the Giants 3 points against the Niners. Clear fumble, they blew the play dead and didn't allow it to be reviewed. Just a terrible cal. One of the worst I've seen this year.

Didn't want to come off as a homer do glad you mentioned it.

[Grover]

4th down on thier own 30 and they go for it.

Unbelievable call. Should have punted it away.

[kingfc22]

Atlanta did what?! Wow...

[kingfc22]

Niners coming out with the air attack today.

[jbergey22]

Atlanta did what?! Wow...

Went for it on 4th and inches from their own 30 in OT and didnt make it. Math would probably say it gave them the best chance to win but failing there makes it a bad gamble.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Math would probably say it gave them the best chance to win

Not if you had the ball to Turner 4 yds deep in the backfield it doesn't.

With that little needed, either sneak it or punt it.

[Crapshoot]

A case of unacceptable officiating allows the Giants 3 points against the Niners. Clear fumble, they blew the play dead and didn't allow it to be reviewed. Just a terrible cal. One of the worst I've seen this year.

Yeah, absolute BS. But hey, this is the NFL - why bother having professional refs in a multi-billion $ business?

[spleen1015]

I don't see anyway the Colts can win. QB play has been absolutely atrocious and Caldwell is a fucking idiot.

There's no way they can win.

[jbergey22]

Not if you had the ball to Turner 4 yds deep in the backfield it doesn't.

With that little needed, either sneak it or punt it.

Agree. Counter action on that play made no sense. Saints were all over it.

[jbergey22]

49ers are fun to watch on defense. They are physical and swarm the ball. Eagles should take notes on how to play physcial football from them.

[tucker rocky]

I don't see anyway the Colts can win. QB play has been absolutely atrocious and Caldwell is a fucking idiot.

There's no way they can win.

Maybe the Colts should can Caldwell, and let Manning run the team these final 6 games.

[Thomkal]

yeah that was a horrible decision to not punt that ball in the ATL-NO game, given where the ball was. If you don't get the first down there, you've just lost the game for your team-if you do get the first down, you're still far away from FG range with no promises that you will be able to make it there.

[RedKingGold]

These Giants are pretty good.

[jbergey22]

yeah that was a horrible decision to not punt that ball in the ATL-NO game, given where the ball was. If you don't get the first down there, you've just lost the game for your team-if you do get the first down, you're still far away from FG range with no promises that you will be able to make it there.

A lot of variables come into it. But a similar discussion happened in 09 when Beli went for it on 4th down against the Colts.

Football Outsiders did some research on it and concluded that going for it was actually the better(statistically speaking) play. They generally feel that NFL coaches are completely too conservative.

[tucker rocky]

These Eagles are fun to watch.

Perhaps the 100m to Vick was a bit premature.

Eagle fans are like this: :confused: :banghead: :rant:

[jbergey22]

Eagle fans are like this: :confused: :banghead: :rant:

They just need a little toughness and some heart. Its clear they have a lot of talent but nothing to bring it together. They need a few junkyard dogs to go with the prima donnas.

[Thomkal]

So was this game the beginning of the end for Andy Reid in Philly? Losing to a backup QB who throws for over 300 yards against you, and losing yet another 4th quarter lead?

In other news, some of my fellow Cards fans are clamoring for Kevin Kolb to be benched for the remainder of the season, which is just silly.

[Thomkal]

A lot of variables come into it. But a similar discussion happened in 09 when Beli went for it on 4th down against the Colts.

Football Outsiders did some research on it and concluded that going for it was actually the better(statistically speaking) play. They generally feel that NFL coaches are completely too conservative.

I vote for conservative then. ;)

[Grover]

They just need a little toughness and some heart. Its clear they have a lot of talent but nothing to bring it together. They need a few junkyard dogs to go with the prima donnas.

Do you think they'd trust their QB with dogs on the roster?

/rim shot

[jbergey22]

I vote for conservative then. ;)


Yeah its a tough call giving a guy like Brees or Brady too many chances. Punting obviously would have been better looking back but giving Brees two chances to get his team into FG position is a battle that is probably lost as well.

Now if its Painter playing QB its a very easy call.

[tucker rocky]

I see the Ravens possibly having a letdown, down 10-0 to Seattle.

[jbergey22]

Do you think they'd trust their QB with dogs on the roster?

/rim shot

Ha!

[tucker rocky]

They need a few junkyard dogs to go with the prima donnas.

http://www.jackburgle.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/0626_junkyard_dog_full-300x300.jpg
:D

[kingfc22]

Akers has been a huge FA signing for the team this year.

[Crapshoot]

Onside kick!

[RedKingGold]

I love Jim Harbaugh.

[kingfc22]

Akers has been a huge FA signing for the team this year.

Add the surprise onside kick to the resume. :D

[EagleFan]

Ballsy call there.

[mckerney]

You guys play the Bears twice a year, WHY ARE YOU STILL KICKING TO HESTER?

[tucker rocky]

Marshawn Lynch tripped up, by a sideline cord/cable.

Good thing it didn't injure him, for those Seahawk fans out there.

[kingfc22]

Akers has been a huge FA signing for the team this year.

Oh and so has Carlos Rogers. Thanks Washington!

[Crapshoot]

Damnit Ginn, that was a catch you had to make.

[tucker rocky]

Seahawks have the ball, after the Ravens fumble on the KO.

[Coffee Warlord]

You guys play the Bears twice a year, WHY ARE YOU STILL KICKING TO HESTER?

He's been unreal today. Legimate TD chance on all three punt return chances he's had.

[tucker rocky]

Ravens try a 52yrd FG and miss, Seattle up 19-7 at the half.

[Grover]

Seahawks have the ball, after the Ravens fumble on the KO.

Could the Ravens be anymore Jekyll and Hyde?

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSuzZr1EJ1BAV3W9emhykiiBiBj0ibQ_ta-XHKbrzFoLn18m7ZO

[Julio Riddols]

I wonder what any of us would do with a pass game as hit or miss as the Ravens and a run game featuring Ray Rice and Ricky Williams. Probably run the ball more than 5 times a half. I can't comprehend the playcalling at all. It remains the same even when they have a 20-plus point lead. Ridiculous.

Edit: Their run/pass ratio this year is nearly 2 to 1 in favor of passing. (346 to 191) I include runs by Flacco as passes, because they originate from pass plays. I just don't get it.

[zums]

A lot of variables come into it. But a similar discussion happened in 09 when Beli went for it on 4th down against the Colts.

Football Outsiders did some research on it and concluded that going for it was actually the better(statistically speaking) play. They generally feel that NFL coaches are completely too conservative.

on twitter one of the football outsiders writers brought up two big differences:

- regulation vs overtime (which is sudden death) can't be played the same way
- when the patriots ran that play they were UP 6 points, so the FG you are essentially giving the other team doesn't automatically lose the game for you.... your defense still has the ability to save you

epically stupid decision by smith

[Crapshoot]

Frank Gore is clearly hurt / not 100% today.

[tucker rocky]

Interesting that the 49ers didn't try the middle of the endzone.

[tucker rocky]

3 turnovers by the Ravens, yet the Seahawks can only convert them into FG's.
22-7 after Seattle's 5th FG of the day.

Ravens strong defense is keeping them in the game at this point.

[Jas_lov]

The honeymoon is over for the Lions. Chicago is the superior team and have already played the Saints and Packers once. Detroit still has 3 games against those teams. Dallas has a much easier schedule. Chicago and Dallas will be the WCs.

[tucker rocky]

Have the 0-16 Lions replaced the 6-2 Lions today?

[cuervo72]

Eagle fans are like this: :confused: :banghead: :rant:

In fairness, we're like that a lot.

[tucker rocky]

Have the 0-16 Lions replaced the 6-2 Lions today?

Jim Schwartz has secretly been replaced by Rod Marinelli.

[jbergey22]

Easy enough to say when both teams have solid leads in their divisions but 49ers/Giants certainly has a feel of two playoff teams.

[kingfc22]

Now we need the defense to get a 3 and out.

Nice play call for the 2-pt. conversion. Damn, what a difference a Harbaugh makes.

[tucker rocky]

Best the Lions play bad today, than to wait until Thanksgiving against GB.
We all know how the Lions like to play on that day.

[kingfc22]

Rogers again!

[jbergey22]

Best the Lions play bad today, than to wait until Thanksgiving against GB.
We all know how the Lions like to play on that day.

Good call.

Lions needed a good beatdown to keep them level headed.

[tucker rocky]

INT and a TD, just like that for the 49ers.

[kingfc22]

For all the doubters, the Niners are legit this season.

[DanGarion]

This is crazy...

[Dutch]

Just got back from the Bucs game...it's getting ugly now...I have no idea what our overall strategy is right now on offense or defense. So much promise just going down the drain right now. Grrrr....

[jbergey22]

For all the doubters, the Niners are legit this season.


Doubters are jumping on now;) Loving that old school style Harbaugh brings back to the NFL.

[EagleFan]

How boneheaded was that? It didn't end up mattering but it was obvious that he was lined up offside. When you are a receiver looking at the ball and you see that it is on the yard line (was it the 30?) and your foot is on the other side of that line it should be pretty obvious that you are lined up offside.

Maybe he thought that he was DeMarcus Ware and the refs would allow it.

[Radii]

The honeymoon is over for the Lions. Chicago is the superior team and have already played the Saints and Packers once. Detroit still has 3 games against those teams. Dallas has a much easier schedule. Chicago and Dallas will be the WCs.

I've missed Jas_lov guarantees. Detroit doesn't know it but they just locked up a playoff spot the moment this was posted! ;)

[RedKingGold]

Patrick Willis is a beast.

[Crapshoot]

if Patrick Willis is not the best LB in football ( caught a RB behind the line and chased him down, chased down the QB), he's one of the top 5.

[kingfc22]

If the Giants don't gain a yard, Akers is in FG range...

[Crapshoot]

Damn, Eli has been throwing the ball well.

[kingfc22]

That Eli guy is not bad either.

[stevew]

I gotta think that challenge is as much about giving the defense an extended break, as it was about legitimately questioning the play. Of course the subtlety is lost on the two douchey announcers.

[Crapshoot]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Eli Manning is scaring the hell out of me right now.

[Matthean]

It's one thing to be play dirty and have swagger when you are winning. It's another to do it when you are down 37-6.

[jbergey22]

It's one thing to be play dirty and have swagger when you are winning. It's another to do it when you are down 37-6.

Wonder if the Bears locker room will be talking about how bad Stafford sucks after the game?

[kingfc22]

HELL YES!!!

[jbergey22]

Excellent game. 49ers keep on rolling.

[stevew]

Why did coughlin call those time outs? The game was over.

[JPhillips]

Damn. Sounds like Leon Hall is out for the year.

[Matthean]

Wonder if the Bears locker room will be talking about how bad Stafford sucks after the game?

37-6 after a bye week. Maybe Schwartz can spend less time telling people how smart he is compared to his opponent and go out and actually prove it. With two against the Packers and one against the Saints, it's going to be tough for them to get into the playoffs.

[Jas_lov]

37-6 after a bye week. Maybe Schwartz can spend less time telling people how smart he is compared to his opponent and go out and actually prove it. With two against the Packers and one against the Saints, it's going to be tough for them to get into the playoffs.

This is what I said but someone above said the Lions just locked up a playoff spot after losing 37-13. I just don't see it. It's going to be tough to win any of those games vs the Pack and Saints. Two of them are on the road. Dallas has a much easier schedule although the Lions do have the tiebreaker vs them. Atlanta will also be a factor and they have the tiebreaker vs Lions.

[Atocep]

I thought it was nice to see the Lions getting decent. As a bears fan I like when the games actually mean something.

I can't respect this Lions team after the way they played today. Dirty football with the intent to do harm isn't something I enjoy watching. The fact that they whine about the officials targeting them makes it worse.

[SteveMax58]

Why did coughlin call those time outs? The game was over.

He's like that. Make the other team execute a snap type thinking.

Well...I wasn't expecting to beat the 49ers but am disappointed we didn't. Eli played well for the most part but, well he's inclined to throw a bad one here & there. Defense did pretty well overall & I have to say I'm impressed they've been as solid as they have given the injuries to the secondary. They might be downright nasty with TT, Amukamura, & Tubbs.

[Grover]

Damn. Sounds like Leon Hall is out for the year.

Noooooo!

Torn Achilles according to Hobson at bengals.com

[Radii]

This is what I said but someone above said the Lions just locked up a playoff spot after losing 37-13. I just don't see it.

haha I was just picking on the "season over" declaration, it reminded me of many Packers "game over" posts in the first quarter awhile back. ;)


To be serious though, I have zero faith in Dallas or Atlanta's abilities to be so consistently good that Detroit should no longer be considered a likely playoff team, especially given that Detroit holds the head to head tiebreaker over Dallas. Detroit could easily lose to green bay twice and New Orleans but win the rest of their games. Beating Green Bay at home or New Orleans on the road isn't out of the question, so there's a couple paths to 10-6 and I think if they get to 10-6 they get in.

Chicago certainly should be the favorite for the first wild card spot, but at this point I would say Detroit, Atlanta, Dallas in that order would be my next 3 in order of likelyhood. Not enough that I'd put money on it, but if we're making predictions today I'm predicting Chicago and Detroit.

[tarcone]

I didnt want to go through 5 pages. So what does it say when the Broncos run 55 times and throw 8? Sounds like a tricked out FOF gameplan.

[AlexB]

I didnt want to go through 5 pages. So what does it say when the Broncos run 55 times and throw 8? Sounds like a tricked out FOF gameplan.

It says I was a bit hasty in picking up Tebow for my fantasy team (at least he's a backup to Romo)

[Julio Riddols]

55 dropbacks for the Ravens, 10 rush attempts. Don't think I have seen consistently more retarded offensive playcalling in my life. Its so dumb it makes me mad, and I don't even like the Ravens.

You have a defense like that and all you want to do is seemingly keep them on the field for 35-40 minutes a game while the other team just sits back and waits for you to pass again and again..

[Matthean]

I didnt want to go through 5 pages. So what does it say when the Broncos run 55 times and throw 8? Sounds like a tricked out FOF gameplan.

What does it say about KC that they decidedly lost?

[Scoobz0202]

oh faith. you're so dreamy

[Dr. Sak]

I love how Gene has a smirk every time he announces the penalties.

[Dr. Sak]

And now he has some blood from the scrum!

[DaddyTorgo]

TOM BRADY!!!!

I fear McCourty is done for the year with a potentially busted shoulder though (just a worst-case scenario guess).

[DaddyTorgo]

TOM BRADY!!

Ugh. WTF...when did he step out of bounds? Aaaah...there we go...yeah.

Still - hell of a play by Brady.

Pats should be able to elect to take the penalty though, right?

[Grover]

That entire sequence was just bizarre.

[tucker rocky]

Nice TD by Gronkowski, bad sportsmanship on his part.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice TD by Gronkowski, bad sportsmanship on his part.

Yeah - disappointing. But he is still just a kid.

[Grover]

Andre Carter eating Sanchez alive.

[Desnudo]

Pats get a few lucky bounces - crazy punt fumble play and tipped INT that changed the complex of the game. Seems like they've been on the receiving end of that kind of luck so far this year, so nice game to get some breaks.

They'll probably be scouting local high schools for safeties this week.

Also - awesome INT for a TD by Nincovich. Haven't seen LB play like that in a long time.

[stevew]

I'm still amazed that Atlanta made that call with that much time remaining in the overtime period. And the play call was especially bad.

[Butter]

Damn. Sounds like Leon Hall is out for the year.

Was afraid of that when the announcers said he left the game with an "Achilles injury". Those never end well.

Bengals could still gut their way to 10 wins, but it'll be a lot harder now.

And as you said earlier, I figured all those quick routes would end up costing them. I was crying for a double move route all 4th quarter, but the main guy they have running those was on the sidelines.

They need to just cut their losses with Jerome Simpson and sign someone off the street at this point. He adds very little to the offense. Hopefully WR is at the top of the offseason acquisition list.

[JPhillips]

Was afraid of that when the announcers said he left the game with an "Achilles injury". Those never end well.

Bengals could still gut their way to 10 wins, but it'll be a lot harder now.

And as you said earlier, I figured all those quick routes would end up costing them. I was crying for a double move route all 4th quarter, but the main guy they have running those was on the sidelines.

They need to just cut their losses with Jerome Simpson and sign someone off the street at this point. He adds very little to the offense. Hopefully WR is at the top of the offseason acquisition list.

I think corner is now the #1 need. Hall could be substandard next season and Jones can't seem to stay healthy.

[Butter]

Yeah, you are probably right. I don't think Reggie Nelson and Chris Crocker are exactly playing at high levels either. The whole secondary could use a makeover.

[gstelmack]

I think Cleveland is firmly in the Suck for Luck race.

There is no race now that the Phins are winning. Indy has decided to roll over and die this season. Pats lose Brady, Cassell steps in and gets them to 10-6. Colts lose Manning, and they can't win anything, not even appearing to give the resemblance of effort. You normally only see tank jobs this bad in the NBA and FOF multiplayer...

[gstelmack]

Pats get a few lucky bounces - crazy punt fumble play and tipped INT that changed the complex of the game. Seems like they've been on the receiving end of that kind of luck so far this year, so nice game to get some breaks.

They'll probably be scouting local high schools for safeties this week.

Also - awesome INT for a TD by Nincovich. Haven't seen LB play like that in a long time.

Brady's starting to scare me a bit. He's just misfiring on too many throws each game. He's still capable of being Brady, as seen with the late drive last week and the last drive of the first half this week, but I've seen more balls thrown behind receivers or hitting the ground in front of them or sailing over them than I think I've ever seen out of him.

Great to get the win against the Jets.

[Julio Riddols]

The sad thing about the situation in Indy is that I am not even sure Luck is the best option. I haven't seen anything from him that really makes me go "wow". There are probably going to be at least 2 or 3 other QBs in this class with just as much NFL ability. This offseason will be extremely interesting to see what happens with Peyton.. And the Colts need a total overhaul. They're built for Manning, and he is a once in a lifetime talent. Nobody will be able to step in and do what he did.

[SunDevil]

“Thirty-seven points on the best defense in the league, suck my dick.” – Bill Belichick (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/jets/belichick_mocks_NttHuMbgQETsHT03ogwp3J#ixzz1dgEODqjb)

Classic.

[Ksyrup]

Brady's starting to scare me a bit. He's just misfiring on too many throws each game.

I didn't watch a ton of the game and I haven't seen them much this year, but I noticed the same thing last night. The one that really surprised me was the dump-off to Welker on the fake end-around that he threw way too far out in front of him. Just seemed uncharacteristic.

[Ksyrup]

But you can't know that. No matter how much everyone wants to bash the kid, he deserves a fair chance. Running an offense that never lets him thrown is not a fair chance.

I disagree. They know they have nothing, right now. The problem is, this division sucks and they think they can win it. And to their credit, they're not shitcanning the season but giving it their best shot. And that best shot is with Tebow being an option facilitator, not a QB.

You're right for the long-term, but they don't care about that right now. In such a crappy division, you're never playing for next year, I guess.

[JediKooter]

Well the good news is, the Chargers didn't lose on Sunday.

[Rizon]

I didn't watch a ton of the game and I haven't seen them much this year, but I noticed the same thing last night. The one that really surprised me was the dump-off to Welker on the fake end-around that he threw way too far out in front of him. Just seemed uncharacteristic.

I noticed, too. Brady usually nailed passes with extreme accuracy over the years. One of the corner fades he threw was just wayyyyyy off. Brady years ago made those look routine.

Somethings not quite right about him. Bored of banging supermodels, maybe?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Generally speaking when Brady's accuracy has dropped there has been injury that is not publicized.

[DaddyTorgo]

Brady's starting to scare me a bit. He's just misfiring on too many throws each game. He's still capable of being Brady, as seen with the late drive last week and the last drive of the first half this week, but I've seen more balls thrown behind receivers or hitting the ground in front of them or sailing over them than I think I've ever seen out of him.

Great to get the win against the Jets.

Nagging injury maybe.

[Grover]

Generally speaking when Brady's accuracy has dropped there has been injury that is not publicized.

This.

[JPhillips]

Generally speaking when Brady's accuracy has dropped there has been injury that is not publicized.

What? I thought Belichick was obligated to report injuries each week.

I can't believe he'd play fast and loose with the rules.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Ha!

Joking, and his well-publicized dislike of the rules regarding this, aside all he's required to report is whether players miss practice.

[jbergey22]

Ha!

Joking, and his well-publicized dislike of the rules regarding this, aside all he's required to report is whether players miss practice.

This bothers me about Beli and even more so Shanahan. The fans pay these two and a lot of fans find this information important. Them two acting like they are above reporting injuries really annoys me.

Its not as if people want their entire gameplan photocopied on the internet.

[Logan]

This bothers me about Beli and even more so Shanahan. The fans pay these two and a lot of fans find this information important. Them two acting like they are above reporting injuries really annoys me.

Its not as if people want their entire gameplan photocopied on the internet.

You really think the injury report is done for the fans?

[jbergey22]

You really think the injury report is done for the fans?

I think there are numerous reasons it is done. The fans are one of them. You know the people that gamble/play fantasy football and pay for tickets that find this information a big part of their enjoyment.

[Thomkal]

Michael Vick played almost the entire game with two broken ribs according to the Eagles. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie has a high ankle sprain and according to him tore some ankle ligaments as well. So that means both players involved in the "blockbuster" trade between the Cards and Eagles are missing/going to miss significant playing time this season and generally not playing very well for their new team anyway.