NFL week 11 thread

[SirFozzie]

The j-e-t-s really need this one as do the Broncos in the AFC Worst er.... I mean West.

Who ya got?

[stevew]

I got Time Warner Cable, so no game.

[Scoobz0202]

I got Time Warner Cable, so no game.

me too. thank god for internet streams

[SirFozzie]

Hey. Tebow throws deep first play for a big play.. then two plays later gets smacked on a fake.

"The Jets want to decapitate Tebow early and often" sez nfl network announcers.. never mind often.. if he comes back ONCE after being decapitated he's got something extra

[Warhammer]

Is there something wrong with the Broncos kicker?

[TroyF]

Hey. Tebow throws deep first play for a big play.. then two plays later gets smacked on a fake.

"The Jets want to decapitate Tebow early and often" sez nfl network announcers.. never mind often.. if he comes back ONCE after being decapitated he's got something extra

Well, he already completed more passes on the first drive than he did the entire game against KC. 3-3, 43 yards. 1 was a shovel pass, 1 a screen, one down the field. I like Fox going for it on fourth down there, even with the miss.

[SirFozzie]

We have SHANK sign

[bulletsponge]

never pass up a chance to get points on the 1st drive of the game.

oh and if Tebow comes back from decapitation then im starting a new religion, Tebowism.

[cuervo72]

Apparently Denver didn't learn anything from the Atlanta 4th down (as in, don't hand the ball off 5 yards behind the LoS).

[SirFozzie]

How would you report that anyway?

"Tim Tebow is out with a head... his return is questionable "

[QuikSand]

I believe he would take three days to return.

[RedKingGold]

...and would ask Doubting Merril Hoge to touch his hands and feet.

[TroyF]

How would you report that anyway?

"Tim Tebow is out with a head... his return is questionable "

Tebow without a head? He'd just run around like a chicken with his head cut off and nobody would know the difference. :)

Broncos doing exactly what they want to do so far. Jets D has been on the field over 8 minutes already. Use the altitude to wear them out. That only works if you can get some first downs and move the ball a little bit.

I'm waiting for the real Tebow kill shot though. You know the Jets are anxious to pull it off.

[SirFozzie]

Greene hurt.. I believe fireman bill is the jets backup

[TroyF]

not a catch. Sets up a fourth down. It'll be about a 48 yard attempt I think if they go FG

[TroyF]

oops, I thought it was further up. Actually a 52 yarder. And it's no good.

[SirFozzie]

Mcgahee comes down with fumbleitis

[TroyF]

the Broncos cannot forget about the pass. You can't just keep running and first and second down all of the time. First and 10 or Second and 5 is where you want to let the kid throw the football.

[TroyF]

So Bucs fans, from PFT, Josh Freeman has called Haynsworth a "mentor"

Discuss.

[TroyF]

This is becoming a joke. Let him play. You get a terrific kick off return and decide to run it up the middle twice? Cmon. If he fails, he'll fail, but throw the damned ball.

[ColtCrazy]

I have to admit, Tebow is growing on me. I agree that they need to turn him loose a little.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i'm convinced the triple option could work. denver's just not executing well. needs more creativity and wrinkles.

[jbergey22]

I have to admit, Tebow is growing on me. I agree that they need to turn him loose a little.

Growing on you?

As in looking so outclassed in the NFL that you feel bad for him?

[Matthean]

Considering this is a game I can't imagine the Jets losing outside of a Sanchez collapse, I can't say I would be encouraged to be tied going into half if I was a Jet.

[TroyF]

Growing on you?

As in looking so outclassed in the NFL that you feel bad for him?

He's really missed on one throw tonight. The open TE was a poor throw. Some of this gets pretty comical. Sanchez missed an almost identical throw at his own 20 and it was nothing but a normal incomplete pass.

The pass to Royal was a conventional throw and a good one. I'm not insinuating they need to throw the ball fifty times and let him air it out. But they should be striving for a 55/45 type of balance run to pass. Right now they are running the ball 75% of the time against a defense that isn't going to allow running yardage.

I sound like some Tebow supporter, but the truth is I don't care. He's your starting QB now. Treat him like a starting QB and let him play. He hasn't done anything tonight that any other young QB hasn't done. There have been no near INT's. There have been a couple of good throws (Thomas, Royal) and a bad throw (TE over the middle on third down) I don't understand the handcuffs here. Let him play the damned game.

[jbergey22]

Its not whether or not he completed a few passes Troy. Its kind of apparent that his own coach doesnt have confidence in him. He may be able to win games with his great heart and determination but if we are being honest here I think we know this gameplan isnt going to produce long term results in the NFL. He just doesnt have the skills a NFL quarterback needs to be successful.

On that note...

Nice pass Sanchez.

[Matthean]

Considering this is a game I can't imagine the Jets losing outside of a Sanchez collapse

:D

[gkb]

Ok, got the kids to bed finally. High scoring game I see...what'd I miss? :)

[kingfc22]

That's a roughing the passer penalty if that's Brady or Manning. Just saying...

[SirFozzie]

Ouch. Sanchez will be pissing blood after that shot

[Mustang]

So Bucs fans, from PFT, Josh Freeman has called Haynsworth a "mentor" Discuss.

George Costanza was a mentor... just sayin.

[Lathum]

So Bucs fans, from PFT, Josh Freeman has called Haynsworth a "mentor"

Discuss.

I heard the were at Olde Country Buffet at the time Freeman made the comment.

[JS19]

BY far the most disgusting game I have seen in a long, long time. Broncos seem to start every drive on the Jets 45 yd line, and, well, Tebow is your QB so you've only put up 3 points (not counting the pick 6). Sanchez is similar to my style of play of NCAA on Heisman, just throw the ball and hope for the best.

On a football related note.. Obviously I was wrong, but I thought if you recover your own fumble you aren't granted forward progress? Referring to the Jets fumble and recovering it in their endzone.

[stevew]

Only in the last 2 mins I believe.

[jbergey22]

On a football related note.. Obviously I was wrong, but I thought if you recover your own fumble you aren't granted forward progress? Referring to the Jets fumble and recovering it in their endzone.

I didnt see the play but yeah the ball should get spotted where it was recovered.

What happened?

You cant fumble forward on 3rd and 4th downs I believe. But anything else should be fair game.

[JS19]

I didnt see the play but yeah the ball should get spotted where it was recovered.

What happened?

You cant fumble forward on 3rd and 4th downs I believe. But anything else should be fair game.

Jets, I believe it was McKnight, fumbled from like the 2 yd line and a Jets O-Lineman recovered the fumble in the endzone for a TD. Don't recall the down.

[jbergey22]

Jets, I believe it was McKnight, fumbled from like the 2 yd line and a Jets O-Lineman recovered the fumble in the endzone for a TD. Don't recall the down.

Ahh so he fumbled forward. When you said "their" endzone I thought you meant recovered for what should have been a safety.

Yeah, 1st or 2nd down you can fumble forward. On for sure 4th and I think 3rd you dont get the extra yardage on recovered fumbles unless recovered by the fumbling player. I think they decided at one time that teams could fumble forward intentionally in hopes of recovering it without much to lose.

[kingfc22]

It's Tebow Time!

[jbergey22]

Don't recall the down.

I had to go check

It happened on 2nd down at the 1.

[Senator]

so fun

[kingfc22]

TEBOW!!!!

[jbergey22]

Amazing. This defies logic.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Yes!! Tebow Magic!!!

[RedKingGold]

TEEEEEEEEEEEEBBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[King of New York]

The legend just keeps on growing :)

[gkb]

I'm not even ashamed to admit that I'm Tebowing naked right now.

[Scoobz0202]

I mean.. I just don't get it.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Once Tim Tebow learns that an NFL game has four quarters, he's going to be deadly.

[SirFozzie]

Tebowmania is like Hulkamania.. you spend most of the match griping about all the things they cant do... and then the opponent starts punching and then the finger point.. punch punch punch big boot.. leg drop... 1 2 3

[Buccaneer]

I don't either but the guy is simply a winner. Hope they hang to beat the f'n Jets.

[kingfc22]

Tebowmania is like Hulkamania.. you spend most of the match griping about all the things they cant do... and then the opponent starts punching and then the finger point.. punch punch punch big boot.. leg drop... 1 2 3

:lol::lol::lol:

[Mustang]

Elway looked like someone begrudgingly clapping.. like a Yankee fan giving a respectful clap to an opposing pitcher just throwing a perfect game.

[King of New York]

That's it--starting tomorrow, I am going to Tebow at the start of every day. It clearly works somehow.

[Senator]

Amazing. This defies logic.

Does it? He has told the world his formula for success.

[Logan]

Von Miller just had a video game sack on Sanchez.

[SirFozzie]

:lol::lol::lol:

Seriously.. the punt to the 5 yard line was like Hulk taking that last punch and rearing up and pointing at the bad guy and going "YOU!"

Does this mean 10 years from now, Tebow hits John Elway with a chair, and we have to start calling him Hollywood Tim Tebow?

[RedKingGold]

Elway looked like someone begrudgingly clapping.. like a Yankee fan giving a respectful clap to an opposing pitcher just throwing a perfect game.

...with fat blond Ben Roethliesberger texting behind him.

[EagleFan]

That's it--starting tomorrow, I am going to Tebow at the start of every day. It clearly works somehow.

Will that be before or after you take a Sanchez?

[Logan]

I love when announcers refuse to correct their partner when they say something wrong, you know, like when the commentator says he doesn't understand why the offense isn't taking a timeout...when they have none.

[jbergey22]

Well that loss has to be the backbreaker for the Jets on 2011. They have to be wondering WTF just happened.

[spleen1015]

I love when announcers refuse to correct their partner when they say something wrong, you know, like when the commentator says he doesn't understand why the offense isn't taking a timeout...when they have none.

I noticed that too.

It is so fucking awesome that the Jets couldn't win this game.

[cuervo72]

Well blow me down. Good on you, Timmy.

And no, Elway really didn't look as happy as you'd think there.

[Buccaneer]

I noticed that too.

It is so fucking awesome that the Jets couldn't win this game.

+100

[EagleFan]

I love when announcers refuse to correct their partner when they say something wrong, you know, like when the commentator says he doesn't understand why the offense isn't taking a timeout...when they have none.

I thought I heard him say that but then figured I was imagining it.

[Mustang]

Seems like that last play could have been interference. Seemed like the defender ran through Burress and turned him before the ball got there.

Of course, ref makes that call and he suddenly is the guy in the mayhem commercials.

[Lathum]

At some point you have to start giving Tebow some credit. It aint pretty but they are all line drives in the box score.

[Logan]

I thought I heard him say that but then figured I was imagining it.

It was great because afterward it went completely silent, ie they hit the cough buttons on their mics so Nessler could say "hey jackass..."

That's why hockey is the best. When one announcer fucks up, the other will bust his balls about it.

[EagleFan]

I trust him with everything. No matter how many interceptions he throws...

[jbergey22]

At some point you have to start giving Tebow some credit. It aint pretty but they are all line drives in the box score.

He gets his credit. You can only wonder how long these bloop singles can last before the law of averages takes over.

[Logan]

At some point you have to start giving Tebow some credit. It aint pretty but they are all line drives in the box score.

I'm with you, but I wonder about the longer term sustainability of their offense. I mean...his throws are HORRIBLE. That completion on the last drive to Rosario was a worse pass than I threw at any point of my flag league game this past Sunday. This isn't a development issue.

[Ksyrup]

I give up. Tebow for President. I didn't understand why, early in the game, they didn't let him run more. Too many dives on the option. Let him run, don't wait until the last 5 minutes.

Also, Von Miller is a beast. He trucked that tackle on the sack that forced 4th-and-19.

And I'll say this, after watching Sanchez. That dude is a pussy. And I mean that in the "you're a fucking QB, man up, step into your throws and quit sucking your nads back into your body at the hint of being hit as you throw" way. I lost count of how many flinches, back-foot throws, and changed-throwing-motion-to-avoid-a-hit throws he made tonight. The Hail Mary at the end was ridiculous. If someone had a shovel out there, he would have dug a hole before letting that ball go.

[spleen1015]

At some point you have to start giving Tebow some credit. It aint pretty but they are all line drives in the box score.

You can give him a little credit, but the defense gets a lot more credit to me for keeping them in these games.

[Vince, Pt. II]

This is amazing.

[spleen1015]

I give up. Tebow for President. I didn't understand why, early in the game, they didn't let him run more. Too many dives on the option. Let him run, don't wait until the last 5 minutes.

Also, Von Miller is a beast. He trucked that tackle on the sack that forced 4th-and-19.

And I'll say this, after watching Sanchez. That dude is a pussy. And I mean that in the "you're a fucking QB, man up, step into your throws and quit sucking your nads back into your body at the hint of being hit as you throw" way. I lost count of how many fliches, back-foot throws, and changed-throwing-motion-to-avoid-a-hit throws he made tonight. The Hail Mary at the end was ridiculous. If someone had a shovel out there, he would have dug a hole before letting that ball go.

Did you see him last week or the week before where he lined up as a WR and the CB jumped at him and Sanchez flinched like a little girl? He is a pussy. :D

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[Suicane75]

Did any of you actually watch that game? Tebow was horrible. It was embarrassing up until that last drive.

[Senator]

lmao. Keep the faith, Suicane75!

[EagleFan]

That was a butt ugly game.

[TroyF]

I trust him with everything. No matter how many interceptions he throws...

And he's only thrown 1 interception the entire year.

I'm in shock. It looks like he has no idea how to play the game and then WHAM. What the hell?

I think if you really analyze this, it comes down to one thing right now:

He doesn't turn the ball over. It's really that simple. He's now turned the ball over one time in 5.5 games. Once. That can't hold up. I know this. Everything my brain says understands this. Yet, the wins are there.

Simply amazing. If you had told me the Broncos would have the same record the Jets would after 10 games, I'd have called you insane. Flat out insane. Yet here we are.

[EagleFan]

Did any of you actually watch that game? Tebow was horrible. It was embarrassing up until that last drive.

+1

[EagleFan]

And he's only thrown 1 interception the entire year.

I'm in shock. It looks like he has no idea how to play the game and then WHAM. What the hell?

I think if you really analyze this, it comes down to one thing right now:

He doesn't turn the ball over. It's really that simple. He's now turned the ball over one time in 5.5 games. Once. That can't hold up. I know this. Everything my brain says understands this. Yet, the wins are there.

Simply amazing. If you had told me the Broncos would have the same record the Jets would after 10 games, I'd have called you insane. Flat out insane. Yet here we are.

I was just quoting what his own player was saying in the interview.

[TroyF]

Oh, and Von Miller is a freakin beast. Has been all year. A simply amazing player.

[Logan]

It looked like on the TD run, they blitzed everyone up the middle...which doesn't exactly make sense when you have a guy who will look to bounce and run at any opportunity.

[TroyF]

I was just quoting what his own player was saying in the interview.

I know you were, and i was pointing out how goofy of a point it was by the guy.

[spleen1015]

Oh, and Von Miller is a freakin beast. Has been all year. A simply amazing player.

+1

I wish the Colts could get a player like him.

[Mustang]

Too me.. It is a fun little story, nothing more. I just can't see hinging your franchise on him being a QB. His passes are just absolutely horrible.

[jbergey22]

It looked like on the TD run, they blitzed everyone up the middle...which doesn't exactly make sense when you have a guy who will look to bounce and run at any opportunity.

D-end did a awful job of getting sucked in. Id assume on an inside blitz he is suppose to keep his outside shoulder free. He got sucked in for some reason.

[EagleFan]

Did you see him last week or the week before where he lined up as a WR and the CB jumped at him and Sanchez flinched like a little girl? He is a pussy. :D

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Wow, that was bad.

[Lathum]

Did any of you actually watch that game? Tebow was horrible. It was embarrassing up until that last drive.

people keep making comments like this, yet he is 4-1 as the starter this year.

[Crapshoot]

I don't either but the guy is simply a winner. Hope they hang to beat the f'n Jets.

What the heck does this even mean? He's not very good, the rest of the team is doing well, that makes him a winner?

[Crapshoot]

people keep making comments like this, yet he is 4-1 as the starter this year.

Do you guys seriously follow this logic? He's on a winning team, so he's a "winner"? Was Luis Sojo a winner on the Yankee teams?

[EagleFan]

Love the Rex eye rolls...

[bulletsponge]

this is double awesome! first NY loses and Tebow wins. ESPN is going to simultaneously head explode and orgasm at the same time

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

NO! HE NO THROW! WHY HE WIN!?!?!

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[Lathum]

What the heck does this even mean? He's not very good, the rest of the team is doing well, that makes him a winner?

How well were they doing before Tebow took the starting job?

[jbergey22]

this is double awesome! first NY loses and Tebow wins. ESPN is going to simultaneously head explode and orgasm at the same time

+1.

[Ksyrup]

Did any of you actually watch that game? Tebow was horrible. It was embarrassing up until that last drive.

He was horrible. But I'll tell you why - for 55 minutes, they ran a Tebowless Tebow option offense. Tebow had 8 carries for 68 yards on the game, and by my count, 5 of those runs came on the last drive. To be totally effective, he has to run the ball 20 times a game, IMO. If that means you subject him to a possible broken collarbone from a hit even Jesus can't protect him from, so be it. They are running an offense for him, but not really using him. He's just facilitating plays for everyone else out of formations that he is comfortable with and that he understands the decision-making process for. But to score more points, they need to run the ball with him more.

[Scoobz0202]

How well were they doing before Tebow took the starting job?

The defense wasn't playing nearly as well as they are now.

[cuervo72]

I give up. Tebow for President. I didn't understand why, early in the game, they didn't let him run more. Too many dives on the option. Let him run, don't wait until the last 5 minutes.

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand that either. Nothing was working on offense until that last drive; 12-18 for McGahee. That's just awful.

And I'll say this, after watching Sanchez. That dude is a pussy. And I mean that in the "you're a fucking QB, man up, step into your throws and quit sucking your nads back into your body at the hint of being hit as you throw" way. I lost count of how many flinches, back-foot throws, and changed-throwing-motion-to-avoid-a-hit throws he made tonight. The Hail Mary at the end was ridiculous. If someone had a shovel out there, he would have dug a hole before letting that ball go.

Sanchez is Rex Grossman without the bravado.

(Ok, maybe he's not *that* bad, but the stats aren't all that dissimilar.)

Edit: regarding durability...the dude is 240. Who better to take hits?

[TroyF]

What the heck does this even mean? He's not very good, the rest of the team is doing well, that makes him a winner?

The Broncos didn't make wholesale changes before the trade deadline. They shipped out their #1 WR for a 5th round pick. They picked up no free agents. They didn't change any offensive line starters or defensive starters. The running back stayed the same.

They made a single change. Quarterback.

I think anyone who talks about how Tebow is our savior are wrong.

But I think the comment above is wrong too. The Broncos ran for an average of 87 yards in Kyle Orton's first 4 starts. In Tebow's 5 starts, they have ran for 208 yards a game. What's that mean? The defense has been off the field more. They haven't been put in bad situations with field position due to turnovers. Kyle Orton accounted for 9 turnovers in 4.5 games. Tebow has 1 in 5.5

So is Tebow the only reason Denver is winning? Hell no. You'd have to be an idiot to think that. But is it some massive coincidence that the team is playing better football with him? I don't think so. You take care of the ball, play well in the fourth quarter and act like a leader (something Orton never did) and it's not real shocking Denver is playing well.

Is he going to keep it up? Hell, I doubt it. But I'm not going to say he's had nothing to do with the wins either.

[EagleFan]

Yes Tim, I'm sure defensive coordinators are staying up nights worrying about the option (well, my team's defensive coordinator must be up nights worried about being outcoached by a peewee league coach...).

[larrymcg421]

Every starter for the Packers is 9-0, thus they are better than every starter on every other team because no other starters are 9-0.

[EagleFan]

Look at who he beat.

The Chiefs

The Dolphins

The Raiders with a QB that had all of about 3 practices with the team

The Jets with Sanchez at QB coming off a late Sunday game where they lost a big game


The one quality team they played they got destroyed, The Lions.

[TroyF]

Every starter for the Packers is 9-0, thus they are better than every starter on every other team because no other starters are 9-0.

Even the most die hard Tebow supporter (which I'm not) would believe that.

[jbergey22]

This is a good story. In a world of self centered athletes Tebow is a breath of fresh air. I dont think it will last long but its nice to see him(his team) have success.

I wonder how the Eagles feel watching these Broncos win games?

Not trying to slam you EagleFan. Just players like Desaun Jackson that annoy the hell out of me.

[jbergey22]

D-end did a awful job of getting sucked in. Id assume on an inside blitz he is suppose to keep his outside shoulder free. He got sucked in for some reason.

Watching the replay it was the safety #33 Eric Smith rushing off the edge that got sucked in and didnt keep his outside leverage.

[Crapshoot]

Every starter for the Packers is 9-0, thus they are better than every starter on every other team because no other starters are 9-0.

Exactly.

[RainMaker]

Look at who he beat.

The Chiefs

The Dolphins

The Raiders with a QB that had all of about 3 practices with the team

The Jets with Sanchez at QB coming off a late Sunday game where they lost a big game


The one quality team they played they got destroyed, The Lions.

And look at the talent he has with him. Not a good offensive line, traded their only good receiver, below average backs.

[Crapshoot]

This is a good story. In a world of self centered athletes Tebow is a breath of fresh air. I dont think it will last long but its nice to see him(his team) have success.

I wonder how the Eagles feel watching these Broncos win games?

Not trying to slam you EagleFan. Just players like Desaun Jackson that annoy the hell out of me.

You know, There's a running joke at BP about how certain players aren't very good at the sport, but are HTWG's - Hustling, Telegenic White Guy, He "hustles" and "gives 110%" and every other cliche in the book, and clearly that means he's a better person than the dude who's an "athlete." :rolleyes:

This, more than anything, kills me - what is DeSean's grievous sin? He enjoys the game? He's too "flashy"?

[jbergey22]

You know, There's a running joke at BP about how certain players aren't very good at the sport, but are HTWG's - Hustling, Telegenic White Guy, He "hustles" and "gives 110%" and every other cliche in the book, and clearly that means he's a better person than the dude who's an "athlete." :rolleyes:

This, more than anything, kills me - what is DeSean's grievous sin? He enjoys the game? He's too "flashy"?

Flashy is fine. Being flashy and costing your team the ball is not. Beyond that he is a professional athlete yet cant make a team meeting which may have cost the Eagles their small chance they still had for the playoffs. The fact that he was suspended for the entire game probably means there is more to the story as well.

He plays like a prick and his off the field behavior make it seem like he is one.

[Crapshoot]

Flashy is fine. Being flashy and costing your team the ball is not. Beyond that he is a professional athlete yet cant make a team meeting which may have cost the Eagles their small chance they still had for the playoffs.

He plays like a prick and his off the field behavior make it seem like he is one.

WTF does that even mean, beyond ridiculous racial code words? He plays like a "prick"? Is Tebow " gritty" and "humble" as well? You going to call DeSean a "thug" next?

Is there a talent evaluator on the planet that would trade DeSean Jackson for Tim Tebow (And yes, including the Broncos)? DeSean missed a meeting; is he the guy who told Andy Reid to bench him, or hire a career OL coach to be the Eagles defensive co-ordinator? I don't even care that much about Jackson - I care about this ridiculous attitude that how you do it is actually more important than the actual performance.

[jbergey22]

I don't even care that much about Jackson - I care about this ridiculous attitude that how you do it is actually more important than the actual performance.

Are they doing it the right way or something in Phlly? Is being on the most underachieving team in the NFL something to rest your case on "actual performance"?

I know you are big on individual stats. Is him being 40th among 84 WRS suppose to impress me?

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

He is very good return man and a decent big play WR when hes involved(he tends to disappear often) but hes far from as good as he thinks he is. Im not sure what me not liking him because I dont like his attitude has to do with anything anyway. Are you going to start telling people who they can and can not cheer for?

Believe it or not some people do really care about more than just what happens on the field. Tebow is an underdog and it looks like he has no business being on the same field with these guys. Its a different story that will end soon enough. Might as well enjoy it until it does.

[JonInMiddleGA]

LMAO. This is the best thing to happen in (and to) the NFL in years.

[jbergey22]

WTF does that even mean, beyond ridiculous racial code words? He plays like a "prick"? Is Tebow " gritty" and "humble" as well? You going to call DeSean a "thug" next?

Is there a talent evaluator on the planet that would trade DeSean Jackson for Tim Tebow (And yes, including the Broncos)?

It would be very doubtful. People dont always cheer for the best players, you know that. Personality has a lot to do with it. Did it become a recent trend that people dont just cheer for the best players or something?

As far as above that. I think we both know it was nothing racial. I am not sure why you would want to start in that way.

[Suicane75]

people keep making comments like this, yet he is 4-1 as the starter this year.

Did you watch the game? I don't get how anyone could have watched that game and come out of it with praise for TEBOW. The fucking defense and special teams played their asses off for 60 minutes.

Anyone who thinks this kid has any sort of future as an NFL Quarterback are seriously deluding themselves.

[Ksyrup]

I don't think he has a future as a starting NFL QB at all, but in the short-term, if the Broncos are serious about making a playoff run, they have to run the Tebow 5 Minute Offense for most of the other 55 minutes.

BTW, the longest game-winning drive in John Elway's career = 87 yards. Ha!

And no, the Drive did not win the game, they won it in OT. But I have to admit, last night brought to mind The Drive. I wonder WTF was going through Elway's head during that last 5 minutes? He wasn't exactly jumping up and down and all excited - I'd say his response was something a lilttle more joyous than Bud Selig's golf clap for Barry Bond's HR to pass Hank Aaron.

[Butter]

I want Denver to go all-in with Tebow. Please do it. So we can all sit back and laugh about how bad you will be for the next 10 years.

[Ksyrup]

This is the Catch-22 they are in, and why I was so dead-set against letting him play to begin with (and before that, even drafting him). Unless he/they absolutely tank between now and the end of the season, he's pretty much got to start next year, right? If they somehow make the playoffs, how do you bench or cut your starting playoff QB, giving the adoration of the fans for him?

When Elway and Fox were hired, they should have just decided to use him as a Wildcat QB and TE/H-Back, told him their plans, and made it public, so that no one was under any mistaken belief about what his role would be. Or, just trade him to be rid of the headache. Now, they are stuck. This is exactly what I feared.

That said, as big of a college football fan as I am, there's a part of me that wants them to go all-in with him, because I enjoy seeing different offenses. One of the things that bores me about the NFL is how cookie-cutter it is. I like the diversity in college much better. And it was fun watching an NFL defense have no answer for the true spread option they ran at the end.

[Ksyrup]

He doesn't turn the ball over. It's really that simple. He's now turned the ball over one time in 5.5 games. Once. That can't hold up. I know this. Everything my brain says understands this. Yet, the wins are there.

Just a nitpick - I know he has at least 2 TOs because didn't he have both a fumble and INT returned for TDs in the Lions game?

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

http://i.imgur.com/UAsfn.jpg

[spleen1015]

To go a little OT and bring DeSean Jackson back into the conversation....

Yeah, he is flashy and a bit of a showboat when he does well on the field. I don't know exactly what he is like off the field, but I do know that he is an anti-bullying advocate and he has made a huge difference in at least 1 kid's life. That means something to me, flashy bad attitude on the field or not.

[Butter]

That said, as big of a college football fan as I am, there's a part of me that wants them to go all-in with him, because I enjoy seeing different offenses. One of the things that bores me about the NFL is how cookie-cutter it is. I like the diversity in college much better. And it was fun watching an NFL defense have no answer for the true spread option they ran at the end.

I agree with you. I wasn't rooting against Tebow last night, but really tuned in to see how this offense works. It's pretty basic, even as spread options go. You would think they could open it up even a little bit more and vary the play calls a bit better. I think part of the reason the Jets shut them down is they were running a lot of straight-up vanilla runs up the middle or off tackle out of the I. As Mayock said, Tebow works best when rolling out, so get him on the edge and give him several options. It's not something he hasn't run before, so go all-in with it. See if it works.

I don't think it will, because Tebow can't throw worth a flying flip. But the offense was horrific for most of the game last night, until Tebow flipped on his "game in danger" sensor and they went to 5 wides.

[gstelmack]

So Bucs fans, from PFT, Josh Freeman has called Haynsworth a "mentor"

Discuss.

That explains the regression this year.

[gstelmack]

It's pretty clear that Tim Tebow and John Fox were made for each other, since neither likes to throw the ball. Secretly I think Fox is ecstatic he is stuck with Tebow and doesn't have to worry that much about passing, now he can run the ball all day like he wants to without any real outside pressure on him.

[booradley]

It would be very doubtful. People dont always cheer for the best players, you know that. Personality has a lot to do with it. Did it become a recent trend that people dont just cheer for the best players or something?

As far as above that. I think we both know it was nothing racial. I am not sure why you would want to start in that way.

It's probably because he's a thug. Snicker ...

[Ksyrup]

Hey Butter, I'm hearing rumors Urban Meyer is the next head coach of Ohio State, from multiple sources. What are you hearing? Because if that's not the case, Denver should hire his ass for the remainder of the year and let him and Tebow design and call the offense.

[RomaGoth]

Just a nitpick - I know he has at least 2 TOs because didn't he have both a fumble and INT returned for TDs in the Lions game?

He has 1 INT and 2 Fumbles this season, and you are correct regarding the Lions game.

[miked]

I don't know why they refuse to play the kind of game Tebow could win with. As was said earlier, they pretty much ran the FB (or McGahee) up the middle on every 1st and 2nd down. I understand when you run the ball 75% of the time, the creativity starts to dwindle, but you have a guy who can run, maybe throw off the run, so why not actually try and utilize that. I think Tebow can probably compete against an overly aggressive offense like the Jets because we see how they are burned. Ryan runs a great D, but the Jets have no been disciplined this season.

I mean, you saw Elway's reaction, and even John Fox. It's like they don't really want him to do well they just want to shut the fans up. Meanwhile, as was also said earlier. When you run the ball well and don't turn it over, your defense will play better. So no, Timmy is not the reason they are winning, but he is probably the key reason they are not losing. Just imagine if they actually committed to him at QB and tried to help him succeed.

[Butter]

Hey Butter, I'm hearing rumors Urban Meyer is the next head coach of Ohio State, from multiple sources. What are you hearing? Because if that's not the case, Denver should hire his ass for the remainder of the year and let him and Tebow design and call the offense.

That's been the rumor for a while now, yeah. I think Fickell sealed his fate with the loss at Purdue last week. But Meyer did come out and say that he was not looking to coach next year. But we all know that's pretty much lip service, so we'll see what happens.

He is not my first choice. Or my 2nd or 3rd. But I have enjoyed him as a color commentator this year.

[RomaGoth]

It would be epic if the Broncos actually won the super bowl with Tebow. The NFL would be turned upside down, and Tebowism would leap ahead of Christianity in popularity. Tebow churches would spring up everywhere.

Eh, maybe instead Tebowism is the beginning of the end of the world. It IS 2012 after all.....

[Ksyrup]

That's been the rumor for a while now, yeah. I think Fickell sealed his fate with the loss at Purdue last week. But Meyer did come out and say that he was not looking to coach next year. But we all know that's pretty much lip service, so we'll see what happens.

He is not my first choice. Or my 2nd or 3rd. But I have enjoyed him as a color commentator this year.

Well, I saw several tweets yesterday with "multiple sources confirming." Seemed like some kind of development yesterday.

I also read that his dad died a week ago, so it seems strange timing, especially given he just retired last year for family reasons.

[Butter]

I took them as same old message board rumors we've been hearing for a while, except this time they actually slapped a number of years and dollar figure on it.

From what I read, OSU actually has to put out a public job posting before they can even hire anybody since they are a public entity, and since no job posting has been made for "Head Coach - Football", they aren't close to announcing. Probably won't be until after the season, if it does happen.

[Autumn]

Just watching a highlight from the Denver game. On the final TD, wtf is with the Jet defender in the endzone who is just jamming some Denver receiver and watching Tebow run towards him. One of the Jets back there was getting blocked, but the other one doesn't appear to be, unless he's being held, and he's just watching Tebow run straight towards him. Did he still think Tebow was behind the line of scrimmage?

[Ksyrup]

He was in awe and lost track of his place in the time/space continuum.

[JPhillips]

I took them as same old message board rumors we've been hearing for a while, except this time they actually slapped a number of years and dollar figure on it.

From what I read, OSU actually has to put out a public job posting before they can even hire anybody since they are a public entity, and since no job posting has been made for "Head Coach - Football", they aren't close to announcing. Probably won't be until after the season, if it does happen.

The ad for the football coach is just a legal formality. Schools fudge that requirement all the time for lots of college positions. I wouldn't be surprised by a hire shortly after the Michigan game. That would mean the real negotiations would be taking place now.

[Butter]

Yes, I agree it's a formality, but also a reason why we're probably not going to have any finality on the OSU coach situation until after the season.

[JPhillips]

Yes, I agree it's a formality, but also a reason why we're probably not going to have any finality on the OSU coach situation until after the season.

I think they'd like to get a name in for some recruiting before January. I can see a scenario where the new coach comes in for recruiting but Fickell coaches out the bowl game.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

peyton manning to the jets. i'm starting that rumor.

also

my buddy just brought up a great point. in a passing offense the d-line are the aggressors. in a rushing offense the o-line are the aggressors. aggressors have a psychological/physical advantage at the end of games because the other side is worn out.

[Rizon]

Love, love that the Jets and Greenbirds are combined 8-11

[Butter]

I think they'd like to get a name in for some recruiting before January. I can see a scenario where the new coach comes in for recruiting but Fickell coaches out the bowl game.

I agree, I meant regular season.

[JediKooter]

All I know is, the Broncos won. Who cares if Tebow went 9 for 20? The Broncos won. Who cares if Tebow threw for barely over 100 yards? The Broncos won. Who cares if it took Tebow running in that touchdown? The Broncos won. Who cares if Tebow did not throw a TD pass? The Broncos won.

See, the key isn't Tebow. The key is, the Broncos won. You do whatever it takes to win. Unless you are some hyper-ultra-uber-only-fantasy-numbers-count kind of person...the bottom line is, the Broncos won.

I am by no means a Broncos fan. Actually, I hate the Broncos. I'm not a fan of Tebow either, but, his team is winning more games than they are losing when he is the QB. At the end of the regular season, the only thing matters is that you won more games than your divisional rivals, not your individual player stats.

If it all comes crashing down, then it does. If he keeps on winning, then he keeps on winning. No big deal.

[RomaGoth]

All I know is, the Broncos won. Who cares if Tebow went 9 for 20? The Broncos won. Who cares if Tebow threw for barely over 100 yards? The Broncos won. Who cares if it took Tebow running in that touchdown? The Broncos won. Who cares if Tebow did not throw a TD pass? The Broncos won.

See, the key isn't Tebow. The key is, the Broncos won. You do whatever it takes to win. Unless you are some hyper-ultra-uber-only-fantasy-numbers-count kind of person...the bottom line is, the Broncos won.

I am by no means a Broncos fan. Actually, I hate the Broncos. I'm not a fan of Tebow either, but, his team is winning more games than they are losing when he is the QB. At the end of the regular season, the only thing matters is that you won more games than your divisional rivals, not your individual player stats.

If it all comes crashing down, then it does. If he keeps on winning, then he keeps on winning. No big deal.

Phillip Rivers or Tim Tebow?

Discuss.

[Scarecrow]

Phillip Rivers or Tim Tebow?

Discuss.

Rivers, unless it's Rivers+Turner - then it's a tossup.

[JediKooter]

Phillip Rivers or Tim Tebow?

Discuss.

Sure. Rub salt in the wound Roma. My Friday is now ruined...thanks. I'm going to go hug my Dan Fouts jersey.

Rivers, unless it's Rivers+Turner - then it's a tossup.

Bingo! Norv Turner would install on offense that would make Joe Montana look like a 3rd stringer.

[Julio Riddols]

Norv Turner is the Mitt Romney of NFL head coaches.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Sure. Rub salt in the wound Roma. My Friday is now ruined...thanks. I'm going to go hug my Dan Fouts jersey.
if it's any consolation drew brees probably isn't going to break marino's record this year.

[larrymcg421]

Okay, how about let's put it this way.

In the Dolphins game, the Fins score on their first possession in OT.
In the Jets game, Sanchez drives the Jets down for the winning TD.

The Broncos are now 2-3 under Tebow and he has played EXACTLY the same as he did before. Would anybody be singing his praises?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Would anybody be singing his praises?

Absolutely, since in those two examples he put an overall bad football team in position to win, and also managed to avoid causing that same bad team to lose.

[larrymcg421]

So does Tebow "Quarterback to the score"? If Sanchez didn't throw that pick six, he would've just scored sooner? If the Dolphins were up 22-0, Tebow would've started the comeback earlier? Maybe the Broncos D needs to lay down in the first half and let the other team build up a massive lead. Then Tebow can put up some amazing numbers because he knows he can't wait until the end of the 4th quarter.

[Suicane75]

Absolutely, since in those two examples he put an overall bad football team in position to win, and also managed to avoid causing that same bad team to lose.

Half that football team played GREAT last night. In fact 2/3rds of that football team played great last night. In fact I'd say the offensive line played pretty well too considering the defense had about zero fear of that qb doing anything.

[JonInMiddleGA]

considering the defense had about zero fear of that qb doing anything.

Probably should have feared getting their ass beat in the clutch.

[Suicane75]

In fact, the only reason that team needed to come from behind was because of the Quarterback play. They put him in about 6 great positions to get points and he fucking looked like a JC QB.

Everyone on that whole damn team played well BUT him.

[JonInMiddleGA]

So does Tebow "Quarterback to the score"?

There may be something to that.

“I don’t know what it is, but he has the 'It Factor,'” Decker said of his quarterback. “He just gets better later in the game. He really does.”

“Tim is going to be Tim,” said first-year Denver coach John Fox. “You don’t want to change too much about a guy that makes plays and makes plays in pressure situations.”

But perhaps the last quote is the most telling for the Broncos
“I know people are still going to talk bad about us,” Bailey said. “But I don’t care. ... We always have a chance with 15 as our quarterback.”

It wouldn't be the biggest stretch in the world to interpret that as a team that might not have felt the same way under a different QB. It's not beyond the realm of imagination to suspect that Tebow is making a big portion of the roster play better (or maybe just harder) because they believe there's a chance that it might actually matter.

[RomaGoth]

It wouldn't be the biggest stretch in the world to interpret that as a team that might not have felt the same way under a different QB. It's not beyond the realm of imagination to suspect that Tebow is making a big portion of the roster play better (or maybe just harder) because they believe there's a chance that it might actually matter.

Tebow has an exceptional affinity with every player on the roster.

[Suicane75]

By the end of the games it would be nearly impossible for him not to get better.

[larrymcg421]

This takes me back to the Aaron Rodgers posts during his first year as starter, where the arguments were reversed. The big knock on him was that despite good stats, the team kept losing games, often due to his poor fourth quarter play. It's a good thing the Packers kept that guy around instead of looking for a "winner".

[jbergey22]

By the end of the games it would be nearly impossible for him not to get better.

He sets it up nicely that way.

[jbergey22]

This takes me back to the Aaron Rodgers posts during his first year as starter, where the arguments were reversed. The big knock on him was that despite good stats, the team kept losing games, often due to his poor fourth quarter play. It's a good thing the Packers kept that guy around instead of looking for a "winner".

Excellent point.

[Ksyrup]

So does Tebow "Quarterback to the score"? If Sanchez didn't throw that pick six, he would've just scored sooner? If the Dolphins were up 22-0, Tebow would've started the comeback earlier? Maybe the Broncos D needs to lay down in the first half and let the other team build up a massive lead. Then Tebow can put up some amazing numbers because he knows he can't wait until the end of the 4th quarter.

They tried that against Detroit, and it didn't work (although Tebow was responsible for 21 points second--half points, 14 of which were scored by the Lions). But he also threw 39 passes that game, too.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

did anyone watch the game? he didn't run till the last drive. he was handing off the rest of the time.

[jbergey22]

did anyone watch the game? he didn't run till the last drive. he was handing off the rest of the time.

Which to me looks like the people that see him the most(coaches) have so little confidence in his abilities that they try to hide his weaknesses as much as they possibly can.

I mean this is an advanced high school offense they are running. How can this possibly work long term in the NFL?

This same coach had Matt Moore last year and ran a more aggressive offense.

[Pumpy Tudors]

TIM TEBOW ONLY WINS GAMES BECAUSE HE IS WHITE
KYLE ORTON IS SECRETLY BLACK AND SELFISH
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

GO WHITES EXCEPT FOR COLIN WHITE THEN BOO WHITES

[RomaGoth]

TIM TEBOW ONLY WINS GAMES BECAUSE HE IS WHITE
KYLE ORTON IS SECRETLY BLACK AND SELFISH
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

GO WHITES EXCEPT FOR COLIN WHITE THEN BOO WHITES

Holy shit you have been on fire this week. :lol:

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

I mean this is an advanced high school offense they are running. How can this possibly work long term in the NFL?

why not? seriously.

[jbergey22]

why not? seriously.

Well for 95 percent of last nights game you seen why not. If you tell a good defense like the Jets that you are going to run it, they are going to stop it. The Broncos had 134 yards until that last drive. What changed on that last drive I have no explanation for.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Maybe it's that constantly defending rush after rush is tiring on defenses? I know this is traditional knowledge, but isn't that the point of "establishing the run"?

[jbergey22]

Maybe it's that constantly defending rush after rush is tiring on defenses? I know this is traditional knowledge, but isn't that the point of "establishing the run"?

Traditionally yes but in the new higher scoring era you generally need a Steelers/Ravens type of defense for this to work otherwise you fall too far behind. Im not sure if Tebow is calling the defense now as well but suddenly the Broncos defense has been decent.

[Ronnie Dobbs2]

Nah I'm just referring to why the Broncos looked like they couldn't do anything and then had success on that last drive.

[jbergey22]

Nah I'm just referring to why the Broncos looked like they couldn't do anything and then had success on that last drive.

Yeah that could certainly be the reason. On the blitz that Tebow scored on a couple of Jets made some stupid plays including the blitzing safety.

[gkb]

See this is exactly why I wish Tebow was doing this on a team other than the Broncos. Everyone is conflicted about the guy. His own coach admits he can't pass, but they're winning games.

If we do make it to the playoffs, is he our starting QB again next year? Is there a point that Fox and Elway decide that yep, Tim's our guy and we're going to start drafting offensive players to fit into a system that Tebow will do well in. Who becomes our backup QB? Orton and Quinn are both FA next year.

The Broncos schedule for the rest of the year:
@ San Diego
@ Minnesota
Chicago
New England
@ Buffalo
Kansas City

If you're guessing, how many wins do you see there? Two (7-9)? Three (8-8)? Watching them play at home against Chicago and New England might just decide Tebow's future with the team.

Just a quick aside, I thought Von Miller was the best player on the field last night. You might not agree, but I'm pretty stoked to finally see the Broncos do something positive with one of their first round draft picks.

[Pumpy Tudors]

clearly the broncos should draft john brantley to be tebow's backup because he should be really good at running tebow's offense

oh wait

[B & B]

clearly the broncos should draft john brantley to be tebow's backup because he should be really good at running tebow's offense

oh snap

Fixed.

[Ksyrup]

I'm looking forward to Tebow vs. Ponder.

[gstelmack]

This same coach had Matt Moore last year and ran a more aggressive offense.

The same Matt Moore who is back to looking like a reasonable QB lately with Miami...

I still say Tim Tebow is the perfect QB to run the John Fox offense.

[mckerney]

I'm looking forward to Tebow vs. Ponder.

Tebow will probably throw for 400 against the Vikings, Ponder will continue to stuggle completing anything other than dump offs and screens to Peterson and Harvin.

[larrymcg421]

Tebow will probably throw for 400 against the Vikings, Ponder will continue to stuggle completing anything other than dump offs and screens to Peterson and Harvin.

But the Vikings will win 20-17 and people will argue that Ponder played a better game.

[mckerney]

But the Vikings will win 20-17 and people will argue that Ponder played a better game.

Given the praise that has been heaped upon Ponder so far that sounds about right, and it would be unbearable.

[BishopMVP]

I don't know why they refuse to play the kind of game Tebow could win with. As was said earlier, they pretty much ran the FB (or McGahee) up the middle on every 1st and 2nd down. I understand when you run the ball 75% of the time, the creativity starts to dwindle, but you have a guy who can run, maybe throw off the run, so why not actually try and utilize that.The charitable explanation is that they know they're better running a true read option game, but feel running the QB that many times will get him injured. So they hope the rest of the team keeps it close and wait until late in the 4th to open the offense and expose Tebow to all the open field hits. I think that's a little suspect, since it's not Pat White or Armanti Edwards running the spread but a guy who weighs 240, and obviously it gives him a really narrow margin of error, but so far its worked in all but the Detroit debacle.

[Ksyrup]

And in the Detroit game, he threw the ball 39 times, so it's not like they were running the extreme pass/run splits of the last couple games.

[Logan]

I think someone asked this last week, but never saw it answered (apologies if it was): what happened to Tebow's revamped throwing motion? Did he just decide to abandon it?

[tucker rocky]

http://www.nydailynewspix.com/sales/sales_image.php?name=Back-1114.jpg&id=157582&lb=-1&size=small
Rex Ryan trying to channel divine power.

http://www.nydailynewspix.com/sales/sales_image.php?name=BACK-111811.jpg&id=157675&lb=-1&size=small
Tim Tebow thanking the divine power.

[Julio Riddols]

Not liking Cincis chances this week unless they get up early on Baltimore. Gonna be tough with A.J. Green probably out for another week. They need to get out to a quick 10-0 lead so they know Baltimore will throw the ball on every down for the rest of the game.

[JediKooter]

if it's any consolation drew brees probably isn't going to break marino's record this year.

:banghead:

[RomaGoth]

:banghead:

Hey don't feel bad, Rivers won't break Marino's record this year either!



:D

[TroyF]

I think someone asked this last week, but never saw it answered (apologies if it was): what happened to Tebow's revamped throwing motion? Did he just decide to abandon it?

This is is revamped motion. In college he threw the ball from a lot lower of a position. He only seems to go back to that when he's on the run. (which is also when he becomes more accurate by the way) When he's in the pocket, he almost has an exaggerated way to keep the ball high and pushes it. I think it's the reason for most of his inaccuracy, it looks like he's pushing the ball.

Last year and in Florida, he threw a pretty tight spiral. This year he's wobbling it most of the time. Again, I think that's the throwing motion. Now, I'm not arguing he needs to keep the ball up or that his mechanics needed to be changed. (and still need to be changed) But I think he has worked on that.

I do not disagree with anyone that the defense won last nights game. Von Miller, in particular, destroyed the Jets offense.

That said, this is the same defense wasn't exactly a top unit before Tebow was named the starter. What I don't get it where the balance is.

It's ok to say Tebow was good in the first and last drive of the game and sucked the rest of the time. If he doesn't step up with a 95 yard drive, the Broncos don't win that game. Now, could any other QB have done it? Maybe, but I don't think Orton could have.

What I don't understand is that if you look at the two best Broncos drives of the game, it was the two drives Tebow threw the ball the most. He was 6-8 on those two drives. He threw the ball 12 times in the other 10 drives combined. Let's look at those 12 throws:

Downs and distance
1st down throws - 1
2nd down throws - 4 (6 yards, 9 yards, 10 yards, 11 yards)
3rd down throws - 7 (11, 10, 6, 7, 10, 11, 7)

He was 3 for 12 on those throws. We can all say it's a trust issue, but I'm confused. When you have a young QB, the best passing down is 1st and 10. On the night, Tebow was 3/5 for 45 yards on first down.

I don't care if you love, like, despise, hate Tim Tebow. You can agree that the coaching staff isn't exactly setting him up for success when most of his throws are coming in second or third and long situations, right?

I'd really like to see Denver come out with a semi regular game plan just to see what would happen. I know of a lot of QB's in the NFL who would look pretty bad against the Jets defense if they were throwing it on third and long all the time.

[RendeR]

Not liking Cincis chances this week unless they get up early on Baltimore. Gonna be tough with A.J. Green probably out for another week. They need to get out to a quick 10-0 lead so they know Baltimore will throw the ball on every down for the rest of the game.


I'm hoping the defense keeps things close. Ray Ray is out for baltimore too so the "magic" in teh Raven's D will be less than normal. Dalton is great at Protecting the ball for a rookie QB.

Expecting a tight loss but would be super thrilled to steal a win on the road.

[Grover]

I'm hoping the defense keeps things close. Ray Ray is out for baltimore too so the "magic" in teh Raven's D will be less than normal. Dalton is great at Protecting the ball for a rookie QB.

Expecting a tight loss but would be super thrilled to steal a win on the road.

Ray is out, but so is AJ Green.

I'm ticked at CBS for putting a divisional Miami/Buffalo game in the northeast over Cincy/Balt. Ridiculous.

At least there are internet streams.

[JPhillips]

Arian Foster's outfit?

[Buccaneer]

Ray is out, but so is AJ Green.

I'm ticked at CBS for putting a divisional Miami/Buffalo game in the northeast over Cincy/Balt. Ridiculous.

At least there are internet streams.

They televise football games on network TV? My family has watched 100% of Sunday day games on RedZone.

[kingfc22]

They televise football games on network TV? My family has watched 100% of Sunday day games on RedZone.

Me too. Unless the Niners are on then it's back and forth during commercials.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

boy, look at all those dolphins fans. that's the thing about miami. even if their teams are losing their fans still turn out. great sports town.

[Grover]

boy, look at all those dolphins fans. that's the thing about miami. even if their teams are losing their fans still turn out. great sports town.

the Marlins disagree.

Though without having the game on, I assume this is dripping with sarcasm.

[Desnudo]

Well for 95 percent of last nights game you seen why not. If you tell a good defense like the Jets that you are going to run it, they are going to stop it. The Broncos had 134 yards until that last drive. What changed on that last drive I have no explanation for.

The Jets defense, including Revis Island, got their asses kicked by one man? That's what it looked like to me at least.

I think what's most likely to happen at some point is that someone lays Tebow out cold and this whole thing grinds to a halt. He will get drilled and hurt at some point. He's like early Mike Vick with less arm and more motivational speaker.

[cougarfreak]

Wow........Dalton looked good on the Bengals 2nd drive. Bengals TD.

[stevew]

It's probably your season when your punter pulls down a punt that will be blocked, obviously Yepremian's it twice and still gets a first down.

[Danny]

Maybe the worst officiating I've ever seen so far in the Min/Oak game. Against both teams

[Grover]

You can't run on the Bengals.

[Danny]

The officials in the Oakland/Min game apparently want the Raiders to play two hand touch.

[stevew]

BJ Raji is a fantasy sleeper this week

[kingfc22]

Jones-Drew with the Lebron powder celebration in Cleveland after he scores.

ROFL!!!

[MizzouRah]

They televise football games on network TV? My family has watched 100% of Sunday day games on RedZone.

Agreed.. that's all I watch now outside of the Rams. It's great for FF watching too!

[mckerney]

The officials in the Oakland/Min game apparently want the Raiders to play two hand touch.

At least they haven't forgotten the down again.

Peterson injured, Minnesota should just abandon the pass and have Ponder run the option like Denver. I don't think Ponder has seen a pocket he though the could throw from yet this year.

[Matthean]

I guess the Lions weren't humbled enough last week so they decided to mail in a home game against a 2 win team. Interesting to think the Lions could be 6-4 but 2-3 at home.

[Honolulu_Blue]

This is shades of 2007.

Start the season 6-2, with the 8th win coming in the form of a blowout against Denver and then go 1-7 the rest of the way.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

buffalo's imploding.

[kingfc22]

Miami has conceded the Suck for Luck campaign to Indy. Too bad it's too late for a playoff push now...

[larrymcg421]

Miami has conceded the Suck for Luck campaign to Indy. Too bad it's too late for a playoff push now...

What's frustrating is they blew two games against the Broncos and Giants. They very well could be playing for a 5-5 record today.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

matt moore looks good. although he's got that david carr helter skelter about him.

[mckerney]

Miami has conceded the Suck for Luck campaign to Indy. Too bad it's too late for a playoff push now...

Minnesota ain't givin' up yet.

[bulletsponge]

the Cowboys are so predictable. each year its the same crap

dont give up yet Vikings, the Colts are bound to win some, you just might get Luck yet

[mckerney]

the Cowboys are so predictable. each year its the same crap

dont give up yet Vikings, the Colts are bound to win some, you just might get Luck yet

Getting a QB with the #2 overall pick wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

[mckerney]

Do the Vikings really spend back to back top 12 picks at QB?

Yes. If they hire a competent GM they will.

[JPhillips]

I really like Dalton going forward, but he's killed the Bengals with INTs in back to back games against the Steelers and Ravens.

[Danny]

Admittedly, I am only basing this on stats and reports as I haven't seen them play, but it seems Roy Helu has been the best Redskins back all season and yet Shanahan continues to dick around every week with his RB's.

[Danny]

And yes, I've basically been screwed by playing the wrong guy in that backfield all season long in Fantasy.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Arian Foster's outfit?
I would pay $200 to see Dan Marino show up next week in the same outfit.

[RainMaker]

We get it NFL, you want Green Bay to win.

[cougarfreak]

Why do they keep showing a murderer on the Baltimore sideline with a towel around his neck?

[whomario]

I really like Dalton going forward, but he's killed the Bengals with INTs in back to back games against the Steelers and Ravens.

comes back with a perfect drive afterwards. Propably too little, too late, but still good to see.

I think for a young QB it´s especially tough loosing his favourite target.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Love seeing Kevin Smith come back and be doing so well. Always liked his passion and attitude.

[mckerney]

Oakland does a good job moving Minnesota down the field with penalties, Ponder caps it off with a pick in the endzone.

[mckerney]

Oakland does a good job moving Minnesota down the field with penalties, Ponder caps it off with a pick in the endzone.

And now he finally makes a play after a Raider fumble.

[Matthean]

I take a nap and the Lions score 28 points. I need to take more naps. :lol:

[stevew]

dumb rule costs the bengals a TD

[Crapshoot]

So according to the Fox commentators in the 49ers-Cardinals game, "getting points on the board from your kicking game" is important. Whew - was worried there.

[BillJasper]

dumb rule costs the bengals a TD

Bengals got fucked on that one. One of the reasons I'm slowly losing interest in the NFL.

When it takes five minutes to determine if the ball is caught or not, your definition of a catch has become too complex.

[kingfc22]

Carlos Rogers has been so good this year.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Let's go 'Skins!

[EagleFan]

How was that pass interference? Must have called the wrong number?

[Fonzie]

On behalf of Packer Nation, let me say: WHEW.

[Crapshoot]

So according to the Fox commentators in the 49ers-Cardinals game, "getting points on the board from your kicking game" is important. Whew - was worried there.

And somewhat amusing, the 49er kicking game has now gone to shit - one blocked FG, then one missed by Acker.

[BillJasper]

Once again bad officiating decides a game.

[Julio Riddols]

If the Gresham TD isn't ruled a non catch we have overtime. Still, another performance that shows Cinci can play with the good teams.. They'll need to win a few now though.

[EagleFan]

Or if he held onto the ball so it wouldn't have needed to be correctly called incomplete...

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, Gresham should have just tucked that ball in and made it a sure thing.

[BillJasper]

Or if he held onto the ball so it wouldn't have needed to be correctly called incomplete...

He had complete control of the ball for three steps, went from the field of play through the end zone and then out-of-bounds before hitting the ground. If its not a catch then there are very few actual catches in the NFL.

[Lathum]

Damn Redskins couldn't pull that one out.

[EagleFan]

He was going to the ground while making the catch, since he didn't catch it before the bobble. Have to maintain control through the process. He didn't, incomplete pass.

[EagleFan]

Would like to see a side by side of who called timeout first, did Romo or Shanahan call it first?

[EagleFan]

18-2 in November...

Now show his January record...


:)

[Matthean]

On behalf of Packer Nation, let me say: WHEW.

Not sure how content I would be when I know Rodgers absolutely has to be on in order for them to win. The Packers feel like a slightly better version of the Pats.

[sabotai]

Redskins-Cowboys

Another example how an attempt to ice the kicker backfires (Cowboys were 1 second away from a delay of game penalty when Shanahan called time out). I know it's hard to get overcome "common knowledge" (assumed truth: icing the kicker works), but has anyone like Football Outsiders looked at the data to see if these attempts to ice the kicker actually work on average? Maybe it's my own confirmation bias, but I've seen enough time where icing the kicker doesn't work that I wouldn't do it if I were a coach. Is there a statistically significant reduction in FG% after a timeout?

[jbergey22]

Not sure how content I would be when I know Rodgers absolutely has to be on in order for them to win. The Packers feel like a slightly better version of the Pats.

Im guessing they feel very content as Rodgers seems to be "on" every single game;)

[k0ruptr]

so, if its a Packers - Pats superbowl where we starting the O/U? I'm thinking like 65 1/2 lol.

[k0ruptr]

no, thats too low. 70 1/2

[jbergey22]

Redskins-Cowboys

Another example how an attempt to ice the kicker backfires (Cowboys were 1 second away from a delay of game penalty when Shanahan called time out). I know it's hard to get overcome "common knowledge" (assumed truth: icing the kicker works), but has anyone like Football Outsiders looked at the data to see if these attempts to ice the kicker actually work on average? Maybe it's my own confirmation bias, but I've seen enough time where icing the kicker doesn't work that I wouldn't do it if I were a coach. Is there a statistically significant reduction in FG% after a timeout?

I really dont know if there would be a way to determine if it actually works. The data size would be limited and trying to compare things with a lot of variables wouldnt conclude much IMO.

[sabotai]

Is there a statistically significant reduction in FG% after a timeout?

I guess so...(although, icing attempts are usually done at the end of games and for longer FGs, so I wonder what their methodology was)

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Study Says 'Icing' Causes NFL Kickers To Choke (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/extra-points/2010/study-says-icing-causes-nfl-kickers-choke)

[Crapshoot]

Goddamnit, the 49ers have had 2 FG's blocked and 1 missed this half. 6-0 game; should be more like 21-0.

[Thomkal]

its wet out in SF where the Cards are playing-John Skelton is 1/6 for 0 yards so far with an INT. Beanie Wells has a fumble. Somehow they are only down 6-0 thanks to a blocked FG (by Calais Campbell again) and a missed one. And now they just blocked another FG (Patrick Peterson)

[EagleFan]

It "worked" on the Redskins' kicker. The refs even jumped in to ice him first before the Cowboys did.

[k0ruptr]

That Niners line honestly scared me off this week. They can easily still cover, but it also could get pretty messy and one foot slip of Alex Smith and all of a sudden it could be a 7-6 game