PING: Ohio State Fans

[Honolulu_Blue]

Enjoy whatever crappy bowl game you may, or may not, being going to.

Your reign of corrupt terror is at an end. In the end, cheaters get theirs.

See you next year!

:)

P.S. That Braxton Miller guy will get better. And when he does... Yikes. And Posey appears to be uncoverable.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Well, I hear Brady Hoke is avai...bwahahahaha!!!!!!

Sorry, I almost made it through a whole sentence.

Who's laughing now, Butterman? :cool:


I think you just found another 8-4 man!

Brady Hoke breaks down 6 minutes into his press conference.

He inspires confidence and awe. Other than that, he does a good job of trying to impersonate Jim Tressel when he took over at OSU, what with all the seniors and beating your rival talk.

Try a 10-2 man! :)

I am sure one day that Tressel will leave and that Michigan will win yet again.

Until that day comes, I am having more fun that one should be allowed to have watching their rival flail about in the dark.

That day has come, my friend. That day has come...

[Balldog]

Congrats on beating one of the worst OSU teams in years. :rolleyes:

[DeToxRox]

Congrats on beating one of the worst OSU teams in years. :rolleyes:

I mean it's no different then the "It's been 2900 days since" comments when over 1000 of those days spanned the Rich Rodriguez era.

[Scoobz0202]

Enjoy the next year fuckers ;)

[Swaggs]

I have no dog in this fight, but I love the way karma always seems to periodically gut punch both sides. I guess that's why you gloat when you on top. :)

[Matthean]

Congrats on beating one of the worst OSU teams in years. :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure Michigan fans don't care how crappy that team was. It's not like every team OSU had during the streak were amazing, and Michigan still got beat. Also factor in OSU fans finding great joy in beating not of the worst Michigan teams "in a few years," but likely the worst team in the history of the program.

[Balldog]

I'm pretty sure Michigan fans don't care how crappy that team was. It's not like every team OSU had during the streak were amazing, and Michigan still got beat. Also factor in OSU fans finding great joy in beating not of the worst Michigan teams "in a few years," but likely the worst team in the history of the program.

The point is this game should not have been close. OSU's horrible offense put up 34 points on that vaunted defense and left another 18 points on the board with 3 miss fires of wide open receivers that would've been easy TDs.

Personally I didn't enjoy beating on Michigan during the Rich Rod years but we also dominated those games when we should have.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The point is this game should not have been close. OSU's horrible offense put up 34 points on that vaunted defense and left another 18 points on the board with 3 miss fires of wide open receivers that would've been easy TDs.

Personally I didn't enjoy beating on Michigan during the Rich Rod years but we also dominated those games when we should have.

The point is that Michigan won. After seven years of losing, I don't really care too much about the rest. I will always enjoy beating the Buckeyes.

[RendeR]

Just to be clear, any bowl game that isn't the national Championship game is a shitty bowl game.

After watching how horrible the Mishitgan defense played against our what, 100-something-ish rated offense? Yeah, I'm truly impressed.

Win the games you're supposed to win and win them handily, then you get the respect you want.

Squeak by a really shitty tOSU squad because its QB can't hit a wide open receiver? Not real special.

Enjoy yourselves though. Its not like you have much of anything ELSE to cheer about.

[Chubby]

gee, lotta sour grapes from the THE Ohio State University fans...

[Honolulu_Blue]

Just to be clear, any bowl game that isn't the national Championship game is a shitty bowl game.

After watching how horrible the Mishitgan defense played against our what, 100-something-ish rated offense? Yeah, I'm truly impressed.

Win the games you're supposed to win and win them handily, then you get the respect you want.

Squeak by a really shitty tOSU squad because its QB can't hit a wide open receiver? Not real special.

Enjoy yourselves though. Its not like you have much of anything ELSE to cheer about.

Heh! Didn't expect anything different from you, my friend.

Thanks for coming through!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Just to be clear, any bowl game that isn't the national Championship game is a shitty bowl game.

After watching how horrible the Mishitgan defense played against our what, 100-something-ish rated offense? Yeah, I'm truly impressed.

Win the games you're supposed to win and win them handily, then you get the respect you want.

Squeak by a really shitty tOSU squad because its QB can't hit a wide open receiver? Not real special.

Enjoy yourselves though. Its not like you have much of anything ELSE to cheer about.
I don't understand why you would spend more than 2 seconds of your life thinking about or typing this.

[Matthean]

The point is this game should not have been close. OSU's horrible offense put up 34 points on that vaunted defense and left another 18 points on the board with 3 miss fires of wide open receivers that would've been easy TDs.

I thought OSU's defense was better. Michigan still can't stop a power running game, see Iowa and MSU. Michigan's DBs are bad overall. The fact that Countess won out as a true freshman should tell you how good their DBs where. Hell, last year even running a defense with 5 of them on the field they looked like there was none the vast majority of the time. The only thing Michigan does well on defense is pressure the QB. That's it. The fact that they were 8th rated in the country tells you how good of offenses they have faced this year. Vaunted my butt.

I think a big part of the score was based on the win streak. Michigan had to break past the mental aspect of it, and OSU had the confidence because of it. Rivalry games in general are difficult to be blow outs unless there is a significant difference in quality of teams.

[RendeR]

Heh! Didn't expect anything different from you, my friend.

Thanks for coming through!



;)

[Kodos]

Agreed. Nice seeing OSU suffer. :)

[Butter]

Try a 10-2 man! :)

So annoying how bad the Big Ten is right now. I honestly don't think that outside of Wisconsin they deserve to have a single team in the Top 25. How UM managed 10-2 is not so crazy when you look at the shitty teams the Big Ten was throwing out there this year. Ohio State included.

Enjoy the next year. I have a feeling we will be looking back in another 5 years and talking about Ohio State having won 13 in a row in the rivalry if not for the anomaly of 2011.

[GrantDawg]

So, UM fans aren't concerned about what Urban is going to do to you?

[Honolulu_Blue]

So, UM fans aren't concerned about what Urban is going to do to you?

Not until next year, no.

Besides, Michigan has plenty to do with respect to its own program. We still need to repair all the damage from the last three years. Until we can get our own house in order, we can't really be concerned what others are doing.

Next year is going to be a tough year for Michigan, no doubt.

[DeToxRox]

So, UM fans aren't concerned about what Urban is going to do to you?

Nope, because no matter how good Meyer is he will not touch the 10 year span Jim Tressel had as coach at OSU. 94-22 with 7 Big Ten Titles? No way in hell Meyer does that and anyone who thinks differently is crazy.

[JonInMiddleGA]

So, UM fans aren't concerned about what Urban is going to do to you?

I think tOSU fans should be more concerned about what Urban might do to them ... unless of course Tebow has a younger brother with eligibility left.

[Matthean]

Enjoy the next year. I have a feeling we will be looking back in another 5 years and talking about Ohio State having won 13 in a row in the rivalry if not for the anomaly of 2011.

So OSU is going to by default put out better teams than Michigan will even factoring in major NCAA sanctions? The Kool-Aid is mighty strong in Ohio I guess.

OSU will be better next year by default due to the number of returning players they have. OSU fans will get way excited because Meyer will get mass credit for their upswing even when he came into the right situation at the right time. Once some of that talent leaves and they deal with restrictions, he'll have a harder time of it for a period. Since Michigan dropped their points scored against by 20 with that group and have proven they can recruit, I like the odds that Michigan isn't simply going to roll over for OSU.

[Butter]

I don't know if you have noticed, but OSU fans STAY way excited. It's like their natural state of being. They freak out over everything. Me included, I guess, but hopefully to a bit lesser degree than most.

You are assuming that Michigan and Ohio State start from a level playing field. Hoke is enjoying his opening year "Charlie Weis period" let's call it, but it won't last. USC has done pretty fine considering the "major sanctions" they have, and I doubt that Ohio State will get as severe of sanctions as USC got, considering that OSU has been very cooperative and have self reported a number of additional infractions since the initial ones happened. Maybe 1 year bowl ban? Definite scholarship reductions. Just have to recruit smarter.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Hoke is enjoying his opening year "Charlie Weis period" let's call it, but it won't last.

Expect to see this quote brought up a few years from now. Part of your "greatest hits".

;)

[Butter]

I need to make these posts harder to search for.... :)

[bronconick]

Kind of depends on which Urban Meyer you get. The 2 titles, 3 BCS bowl wins at two schools Meyer, or the one that was left after Saban reached down his throat during the 2009 SEC championship game and ripped his heart out.

By the end of the next regular season in Tallahassee, Florida had conceded the game in the 3rd quarter because they had no offense. That's not the same Urban Meyer.

[RendeR]

I'd be happy if whomever is coaching adn recruiting could actually find a REAL FUCKING QB for tOSU.


I'm sick to death of these run first learn how to throw later losers. And yes I hated the dipshit we had the last three years too. I'm not impressed at all with the Buckeyes choices at QB even considering our sucK-cess.

[RomaGoth]

Expect to see this quote brought up a few years from now. Part of your "greatest hits".

;)

lol

[Swaggs]

I'd be happy if whomever is coaching adn recruiting could actually find a REAL FUCKING QB for tOSU.


I'm sick to death of these run first learn how to throw later losers. And yes I hated the dipshit we had the last three years too. I'm not impressed at all with the Buckeyes choices at QB even considering our sucK-cess.

It seems like a lot of recent champions have had those types of QBs (Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Vince Young).

[TroyF]

I don't know if you have noticed, but OSU fans STAY way excited. It's like their natural state of being. They freak out over everything. Me included, I guess, but hopefully to a bit lesser degree than most.

You are assuming that Michigan and Ohio State start from a level playing field. Hoke is enjoying his opening year "Charlie Weis period" let's call it, but it won't last. USC has done pretty fine considering the "major sanctions" they have, and I doubt that Ohio State will get as severe of sanctions as USC got, considering that OSU has been very cooperative and have self reported a number of additional infractions since the initial ones happened. Maybe 1 year bowl ban? Definite scholarship reductions. Just have to recruit smarter.

As a third party observer, I've been very impresses by Hoke. That includes his time at SDSU. If you are waiting for that team to fall apart long term, I think you will be sadly mistaken. I don't expect to see OSU run off another long string of wins against Michigan while he is there. Just my opinion.

[lungs]

You Ohio State and Michigan fans need to realize that you've both been passed over in the Big Ten by Wisconsin (never mind the fact that OSU beat Wisconsin this year, but that was just a fluke of course)

:)

[RomaGoth]

You Ohio State and Michigan fans need to realize that you've both been passed over in the Big Ten by Wisconsin (never mind the fact that OSU beat Wisconsin this year, but that was just a fluke of course)

:)

Short term this is probably true. But long term I would have to disagree. Michigan isn't the winningest college football program for nothing, and the last three years were really just an anomaly because of the ill-advised hiring of Rich Rod.

The Big Ten/Eleven/Twelve will shape up to be Michigan/Ohio State, then Wisconsin/Nebraska/Michigan State, then everyone else.

[lungs]

Short term this is probably true. But long term I would have to disagree. Michigan isn't the winningest college football program for nothing, and the last three years were really just an anomaly because of the ill-advised hiring of Rich Rod.

The Big Ten/Eleven/Twelve will shape up to be Michigan/Ohio State, then Wisconsin/Nebraska/Michigan State, then everyone else.

I won't disagree with your top five in the Big 10 though I think year to year I doubt it'll be Michigan/Ohio State and then everybody else. There will be years where both will be at the top, no doubt. But it's hard to say Wisconsin hasn't turned into an elite Big 10 program when they are going for their fifth Rose Bowl since 1994 this weekend. Bret Bielema has put together some damn good squads that are 100% his, without any Barry Alvarez recruits on them.

I don't think Michigan/Ohio State will necessarily bump Wisconsin down to second tier. What I'm most worried about as a Wisconsin fan is Jerry Kill turning around Minnesota and shutting down the pipeline of Minnesota recruits that Wisconsin gets.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I won't disagree with your top five in the Big 10 though I think year to year I doubt it'll be Michigan/Ohio State and then everybody else. There will be years where both will be at the top, no doubt. But it's hard to say Wisconsin hasn't turned into an elite Big 10 program when they are going for their fifth Rose Bowl since 1994 this weekend. Bret Bielema has put together some damn good squads that are 100% his, without any Barry Alvarez recruits on them.

I don't think Michigan/Ohio State will necessarily bump Wisconsin down to second tier. What I'm most worried about as a Wisconsin fan is Jerry Kill turning around Minnesota and shutting down the pipeline of Minnesota recruits that Wisconsin gets.

I agree. The entire landscape of college football has changed so much since the days of the Big Two (Ohio State/Michigan) and the Little Eight (everyone else), that I think that is a bygone era.

Wisonsin has been solid for many years now. They will always struggle for greatness so long as Bielema is the head coach, because I think he's a pretty poor coach as far as "in game" decisions go. Despite back-to-back "slip-ups" against OSU and MSU on the road, I still think Wisconsin is the class of the Big 10 this year. They will have a chance to prove that definitively this Saturday.

Though, as a guy who grew up during a lot of the Big 2/Little 8 era, I do find myself stuck in a mode of thinking of every other Big 10 team that is not Ohio State or Michigan as a bunch of jumped-up jackanapes!

[lungs]

Wisonsin has been solid for many years now. They will always struggle for greatness so long as Bielema is the head coach, because I think he's a pretty poor coach as far as "in game" decisions go. Despite back-to-back "slip-ups" against OSU and MSU on the road, I still think Wisconsin is the class of the Big 10 this year. They will have a chance to prove that definitively this Saturday.


Won't disagree there. Bielema is a mediocre gameday coach at best. But he also deserves credit for developing football talent. I've never remembered Wisconsin having all that great of recruiting classes (I don't follow recruiting closely) but he seems to be able to develop those classes into top 15 teams at least. Paul Chryst (off. coord.) deserves credit for that too.

But you're right that Wisconsin may need to luck into national championship contention at some point with Bielema as head coach. I really believe this year was the year to get the hopes up but those Bielema "slip-ups" seem to be a pretty common theme every year.

That'll probably be the difference between Michigan/Ohio St. and Wisconsin. Wisconsin may be tops of the Big Ten some years, but when Michigan/Ohio St. are top of the Big 10 they will probably be more viable National Championship contenders.

[RomaGoth]

I won't disagree with your top five in the Big 10 though I think year to year I doubt it'll be Michigan/Ohio State and then everybody else. There will be years where both will be at the top, no doubt. But it's hard to say Wisconsin hasn't turned into an elite Big 10 program when they are going for their fifth Rose Bowl since 1994 this weekend. Bret Bielema has put together some damn good squads that are 100% his, without any Barry Alvarez recruits on them.

I don't think Michigan/Ohio State will necessarily bump Wisconsin down to second tier. What I'm most worried about as a Wisconsin fan is Jerry Kill turning around Minnesota and shutting down the pipeline of Minnesota recruits that Wisconsin gets.

I agree that Wisconsin is a good program. One thing to keep in mind, however, is that now that Michigan has gone back to a more traditional offensive scheme, some of those recruits that might have chosen Wisconsin may decide that Michigan is a better choice again. A large part of Bielema's success in recruiting (at least in the last 3-4 years) was that guy named Rich Rodriguez.

[lungs]

A large part of Bielema's success in recruiting (at least in the last 3-4 years) was that guy named Rich Rodriguez.

Has it been recruiting? Just going back on the class rankings ESPN has (like I said, I don't follow recruiting closely) I don't see a single instance where Wisconsin is in the top 25 for a recruiting class.

[JonInMiddleGA]

But it's hard to say Wisconsin hasn't turned into an elite Big 10 program when they are going for their fifth Rose Bowl since 1994 this weekend.

Interesting phrase there, it brings to mind a question of whether an "elite Big 10 program" = "an elite program".

That may not have been how you meant it, but that's what it made me think of
when read in context with the Big 2/Little 8 stuff around it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Interesting phrase there, it brings to mind a question of whether an "elite Big 10 program" = "an elite program".

That may not have been how you meant it, but that's what it made me think of
when read in context with the Big 2/Little 8 stuff around it.

The only Big 10 school that could have been considered an "elite program" on a national scale over the last 10 years or so is Ohio State.

[Matthean]

The only Big 10 school that could have been considered an "elite program" on a national scale over the last 10 years or so is Ohio State.

+infinity even if it partly pains me to say this. Wisconsin has been very good as of late, but they never flipped the switch to be elite. Last year's team had a better record and still got beat by TCU. I'm not taking anything away from TCU either.

I just think being the best in The Big Ten is kind of like being the big fish in a smaller pond. Lets not forget The Big Ten's near no show for bowls last year. The only major bowl they won was when OSU was given grace to play 5 of their players who broke NCAA violations. I'm not exactly sure how good I feel about this year's bowls just yet either. MSU is considered one of the best teams in the conference. They are 0-4 in bowl games under Dantonio and it's an instant 0-5 if they go to the Rose Bowl and face Oregon.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The only Big 10 school that could have been considered an "elite program" on a national scale over the last 10 years or so is Ohio State.

Hmm, I think it goes deeper than that (and I'm no fan of Michgan, tOSU, or anyone else in the B10).

I'd still put Michigan in the category of "elite program that's fallen on hard times". Just for a handy example, same thing happened to Alabama for most of the past decade, same thing happened to Texas in the 90's, same thing has happened to Notre Dame for the large chunks of the past 30-40 years, same thing may be about to happen to Florida.

I think LSU might be an example of a case somewhat like Wisconsin. Even now I'm not 100% convinced that any notion of them being "elite" would survive a bad decade or two. I think it might, just saying I'm not absolutely sure, because even with a darned fine decade or so (and being mostly pretty good for a while prior to that) I'm not sure that they're in the first few names mentioned more than half the time if someone asks about "elite programs".

[lungs]

Interesting phrase there, it brings to mind a question of whether an "elite Big 10 program" = "an elite program".

That may not have been how you meant it, but that's what it made me think of
when read in context with the Big 2/Little 8 stuff around it.

Actually when I was writing that, I went back and inserted Big 10. Wisconsin has never really been in the conversation for a National Championship near the end of the year. They need to cross that hurdle first.

Not necessarily an indictment of the Big 10, though I tend to think it's SEC and everybody else as much as I dislike the SEC.

[tarcone]

Wisconsin is just Iowa North.
Same program, same recipe: Recruit a bunch of 3* type players. Some that have speed should be mixed in. And Big guys.
Coach them up for 3 seasons and go on a nice run. When that batch graduates or leaves, fill in with new recruiting class of 3* type players that need to be coached up.
Actually, this is Iowa, NW, Wisc, MSU, etc. Or "The little 8"

[lungs]

Wisconsin is just Iowa North.


Nah, Iowa is Wisconsin Southwest :)

But yeah, take the big brute corn-fed farm kids and turn them into offensive lineman.... Get a good running back from down South or out East,and find a Ricky Stanzi/Scott Tolzien type to manage the offense.

Good recipe for some Big 10 championships but probably a little short of National Championship hopes without a little luck. That's why I thought Wisconsin would be a little different this year, having a Russell Wilson at QB was a different wrinkle from the past formula. Alas, Bret Bielema still makes the calls on gameday.

I do hope the experience with Wilson will allow Wisconsin to maybe attract the attention of more athletic/playmaker QBs instead of game managers. Elite big armed pocket QBs probably aren't all that attracted to WI because of the emphasis on running the ball.

BTW sorry for the threadjack, just had to get my jabs in on Michigan and OSU fans as they plot their ascension back to the top. Not so fast!

[RomaGoth]

Not so fast!

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[RainMaker]

It seems like a lot of recent champions have had those types of QBs (Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, Vince Young).

Cam and Vince could still hurt you through the air. And Tebow had an awful lot of weapons on that offense. While I understand the desire to get a running QB, if you're a major program, you should have someone on your roster who can throw a pass.