NFL Week 13 Thread

[Rizon]

D.McNabb cut by Vikings.

[Grover]

D.McNabb cut by Vikings.

He should really hang it up. His fall from nearly elite to what he's become has been quite incredible.

[Rizon]

Brandon Marshall detained for not paying cab fare - CBSSports.com (http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/33609118)

Funny. Marshall can catch cabs in Florida but not passes.

*rimshot*

[BillJasper]

Brandon Marshall detained for not paying cab fare - CBSSports.com (http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/33609118)

Funny. Marshall can catch cabs in Florida but not passes.

*rimshot*

I'm really hoping the Dolphins move him out during the off-season.

[jbergey22]

D.McNabb cut by Vikings.


I wonder if he didnt get cut so he could sign with a playoff contender otherwise I cant just see the Vikings releasing him. It wasnt as if he was causing trouble and from the sounds of it was quite helpful to Ponder.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I think the Broncos should sign Donovan McNabb and convert him to fullback.

[chadritt]

Is Mcnabb better or worse than Delhomme for Houston?

[bulletsponge]

He should really hang it up. His fall from nearly elite to what he's become has been quite incredible.

he never was close to elite. always above average/average

[JediKooter]

I thought McDonald's offered the McNabb for a limited time???

[jbergey22]

Is Mcnabb better or worse than Delhomme for Houston?

That is really close. Id probably say McNabb would be a bit better because he doesnt have the downside(throwing stupid ints) that Delhomme has. McNabb still has a decent arm when he isnt bouncing it 3 feet in front of the WRs. McNabb gets in these spells for a few throws where he just completely sucks and isnt even close.

[MikeVic]

I think the Broncos should sign Donovan McNabb and convert him to fullback.

Great idea. McGahee, Tebow, McNabb. If Tebow needs to throw, give it to McNabb. If Tebow needs to run, give it to McGahee. Ultimate.

[MikeVic]

A few throws? That's 30% of the time. McNabb's best years were highlighted by inflated completion % numbers that involved copious amounts of dumpoffs, screens and swing passes to Westbrook. Take that away and you've got a guy who never read defenses well, never threw consistently downfield, who refused to wear a play wristband in both Philly and DC, and whose occasional big plays overshadowed his bad throws that happened far more often.

McNabb was never elite and now that he doesn't have Westbrook as a safety blanket, he's really not very good.

He'd have Foster in Houston. I have such low opinions of Delhomme by now, I pretty much would pick any QB over him.

[jbergey22]

A few throws? That's 30% of the time. McNabb's best years were highlighted by inflated completion % numbers that involved copious amounts of dumpoffs, screens and swing passes to Westbrook. Take that away and you've got a guy who never read defenses well, never threw consistently downfield, who refused to wear a play wristband in both Philly and DC, and whose occasional big plays overshadowed his bad throws that happened far more often.

McNabb was never elite and now that he doesn't have Westbrook as a safety blanket, he's really not very good.

I think most understand that he was around the 10th-15th best QB(in his prime years) most years. A comparison to Delhomme in his past prime years is in no way trying to consider him an elite QB.

[jbergey22]

He'd have Foster in Houston. I have such low opinions of Delhomme by now, I pretty much would pick any QB over him.

Im with you there. In that Houston offense they dont need a QB trying to force the ball to AJ. They just need a QB that can complete around 60 percent and NOT throw int's. IMO Delhomme fails on both.

[DeToxRox]

Raiders linebacker Rolando McClain was arrested and stands accused of illegally firing a gun in his hometown of Decatur, Alabama.

CSNBayArea.com reports that McClain has been arrested for discharging a firearm within city limits, third degree assault, menacing, and reckless endangerment.

Decatur Police Lt. John Crouch told Comcast SportsNet that McClain is currently in jail.

“I can tell you that Rolando McClain is under arrest,” Crouch said. “He’s been charged with third degree assault, menacing, reckless endangerment and discharging a firearm in city limits. He is still in custody.”

McClain, who went home this week for his grandfather’s funeral, was reportedly involved in a fight on Wednesday night before the shooting broke out.

Rolando McClain arrested for assault, discharging a firearm | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/rolando-mcclain-arrested-for-assault-discharging-a-firearm/)

[DeToxRox]

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/Southlick/1322774385_91d7.jpg

[RomaGoth]

Raiders linebacker Rolando McClain was arrested and stands accused of illegally firing a gun in his hometown of Decatur, Alabama.

CSNBayArea.com reports that McClain has been arrested for discharging a firearm within city limits, third degree assault, menacing, and reckless endangerment.

Decatur Police Lt. John Crouch told Comcast SportsNet that McClain is currently in jail.

“I can tell you that Rolando McClain is under arrest,” Crouch said. “He’s been charged with third degree assault, menacing, reckless endangerment and discharging a firearm in city limits. He is still in custody.”

McClain, who went home this week for his grandfather’s funeral, was reportedly involved in a fight on Wednesday night before the shooting broke out.

Rolando McClain arrested for assault, discharging a firearm | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/rolando-mcclain-arrested-for-assault-discharging-a-firearm/)

Awesome, the Raiders are back!

[DeToxRox]

VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Just talked to Decatur police. Victim says McClain stood over him with gun to his head, he begged for life, McClain fired shot past his ear

Tafur is a Raiders beat writer.

[JediKooter]

And the 2011 Raiders self destruct button has been officially pushed.

[ColtCrazy]

I see the Eagles worked on tackling this week...wow.

[EagleFan]

I give up. Where do I get my cheesehead? or convert to Tebowism?

[Julio Riddols]

If I am the Texans, I call up David Garrard. Perfect QB for the offense they run.

[RainMaker]

Pretty sure Garrard had back surgery and is unavailable.

[SackAttack]

Raiders linebacker Rolando McClain was arrested and stands accused of illegally firing a gun in his hometown of Decatur, Alabama.

CSNBayArea.com reports that McClain has been arrested for discharging a firearm within city limits, third degree assault, menacing, and reckless endangerment.

Decatur Police Lt. John Crouch told Comcast SportsNet that McClain is currently in jail.

“I can tell you that Rolando McClain is under arrest,” Crouch said. “He’s been charged with third degree assault, menacing, reckless endangerment and discharging a firearm in city limits. He is still in custody.”

McClain, who went home this week for his grandfather’s funeral, was reportedly involved in a fight on Wednesday night before the shooting broke out.

Rolando McClain arrested for assault, discharging a firearm | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/rolando-mcclain-arrested-for-assault-discharging-a-firearm/)

That is the most redundant piece of shit I've ever read.

[Julio Riddols]

Philly is showing why its not a great idea to make an offensive coach your D-coordinator.

[EagleFan]

Philly is showing why its not a great idea to make an offensive coach your D-coordinator.

It's sad that statement would even have to be made. Somehow And Ried was the only person in the world that thought it would be a good idea...


:banghead:

:rant:

:cry:

[RedKingGold]

On the plus side, the Eagles are the only team with a coordinator who looks suspiciously like Erik Estrada.

[RedKingGold]

Considering Nate Allen's play, I'm starting to think the Redskins got the better of the McNabb deal.

[EagleFan]

The NFL Network must love having this game...

[EagleFan]

Considering Nate Allen's play, I'm starting to think the Redskins got the better of the McNabb deal.

He has been horrible.

[stevew]

Philly is showing why its not a great idea to make an offensive coach your D-coordinator.

Classic FOF move.

[RainMaker]

It's pretty bullshit that you can't even look at a receiver wrong without getting a flag. But a receiver cand throw a DB down and it's never called.

[RedKingGold]

Akeem Jordan is horrible as well.

[cuervo72]

Why did Reid not take a TO before that FG?

[RedKingGold]

Why did Reid not take a TO before that FG?

He was anxious to hear McNabb's interview at halftime?

[RendeR]

I give up. Where do I get my cheesehead? or convert to Tebowism?



Lots of room over here in the Jungle! Got a real bright future too!

[Grover]

Lots of room over here in the Jungle! Got a real bright future too!

+1

Judging by the number of empty seats at PBS this past Sunday....

[Julio Riddols]

Yeah, come to the orange side.

[EagleFan]

:banghead:

[RedKingGold]

And Vince Young kills the season...well deserved after that stupid "Dream Team" moniker.

[Julio Riddols]

I say this as a non Eagles fan, but if I were an Eagles fan, the only player I would be happy to have on the team would be LeSean McCoy.

[Grover]

I've only been on these boards for a month, I have to say I love all the Bengals support that is here. I've been a fan since 1990 or 1991 when I bet my stepfather a quarter that they would beat the Hugh Millen led Patriots and did so 31-7.

Little did I know what I was getting myself into.

[RedKingGold]

I think Young might have some trouble getting work next year.

[Fonzie]

The QB situation on my fantasy team is pretty ugly right now, so I had to choose between Vince Young and Tavaris Jackson. Guess which one I chose?

[EagleFan]

What's the over/under on Andy Ried saying "I have to do a better job" in his press conference? How far into it? For the parlay, how long will the press conference last before he ends it because people dare to ask questions?

[EagleFan]

I say this as a non Eagles fan, but if I were an Eagles fan, the only player I would be happy to have on the team would be LeSean McCoy.

I say blow the d*** team up and keep only McCoy; I hate this team right now. I actually wasn't happy coming into the season even though they were predicted to do well because I didn't like the players on the team. I would rather like the team that I cheer for, like the Phillies and Flyers as they are a fun group of players.

[Julio Riddols]

I've only been on these boards for a month, I have to say I love all the Bengals support that is here. I've been a fan since 1990 or 1991 when I bet my stepfather a quarter that they would beat the Hugh Millen led Patriots and did so 31-7.

Little did I know what I was getting myself into.

It is somewhat surprising to me how many Bengals fans are here, and its always good to have another one around. The way I think it happened is we all have wished for most of our lives that we could be the G.M. of the team, so we were drawn to a game like FOF because of that.

[Julio Riddols]

I say blow the d*** team up and keep only McCoy; I hate this team right now. I actually wasn't happy coming into the season even though they were predicted to do well because I didn't like the players on the team. I would rather like the team that I cheer for, like the Phillies and Flyers as they are a fun group of players.

This is where I was as a Bengals fan last year. The good news is that a complete 180 can happen in the space of a year.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Drafting a decent QB and amazing WR in the same draft is a pretty tall order, though. Good luck with that.

[gstelmack]

I think the Broncos should sign Donovan McNabb and convert him to fullback.

Nearly caught me with a spit-take there Pumpy. Nice job.

[Rizon]

There aren't many xmas gifts better than the 2012 Eagles being 4-8

[EagleFan]

There aren't many xmas gifts better than the 2012 Eagles being 4-8

Then you have one sad existence...

[JonInMiddleGA]

There aren't many xmas gifts better than the 2012 Eagles being 4-8

I can think of several .. 3-9, 2-10, 1-11, and 0-12

And that's just off the top of my head.

[Butter]

I've only been on these boards for a month, I have to say I love all the Bengals support that is here. I've been a fan since 1990 or 1991 when I bet my stepfather a quarter that they would beat the Hugh Millen led Patriots and did so 31-7.

Little did I know what I was getting myself into.

That support is not transferring to attendance this year. I was surprised how many leftover seats there were for the Browns game.

[RendeR]

Yeah I've been really saddened by the lack of fan support at games this year. I could understand it early on, we weren't expected to do much and then started 1-2, but after the 5 game streak?? come on, these guys are FUN to watch, go get them tickets people!!

[JonInMiddleGA]

Yeah I've been really saddened by the lack of fan support at games this year. I could understand it early on, we weren't expected to do much and then started 1-2, but after the 5 game streak?? come on, these guys are FUN to watch, go get them tickets people!!

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

[gstelmack]

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

Gee, what else has happened that might lead to declining attendance at ultra-expensive sporting events, or even spending in general?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Gee, what else has happened that might lead to declining attendance at ultra-expensive sporting events, or even spending in general?

Overall NFL attendance is down 1.1% vs last year, margins in Cincy are just a tad higher to say the least. No place has been hit by recession any harder than Michigan & they're up over 7k per game.

Sorry, not buying that as a factor in 2011 vs 2010 at all.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Gee, what else has happened that might lead to declining attendance at ultra-expensive sporting events, or even spending in general?

Nah, its Brown..........

[JPhillips]

I've only been on these boards for a month, I have to say I love all the Bengals support that is here. I've been a fan since 1990 or 1991 when I bet my stepfather a quarter that they would beat the Hugh Millen led Patriots and did so 31-7.

Little did I know what I was getting myself into.

You poor bastard. What a terrible time to become a Bengals fan.

[Butter]

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

Seeing as he spawned Mike Brown, I am going to say yes.

[bulletsponge]

I can think of several .. 3-9, 2-10, 1-11, and 0-12

And that's just off the top of my head.

no no, i dont want them landing Luck. 4-8 is perfectly sucky enough

[RomaGoth]

You poor bastard. What a terrible time to become a Bengals fan.

At least he had the Icky Shuffle.

[Matthean]

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

I wonder if next season the numbers don't go up. The high numbers from 2010 might be based on the 2009 season so 2011 might be getting punished for the 2010 season.

[Ksyrup]

I think it could be as simple as a combination of factors:

1. Lack of stars; Ochocinco gone and specifically, fans disgruntled with the Carson Palmer thing

2. Low expectations for season, tield to #1

3. Crappy schedule - SF and BUF (weeks 3 and 4) were the first 2 home games, and going into the season, nobody thought much of either team. Then came Indy in week 6, and by then, people knew Indy sucked

Those 3 games averaged low 40s.

Pittsburgh - 63K

Cleveland - a dreck of a team, in crappy weather, on Thanksgiving weekend - 48K

And that's been it so far. I blame a bad schedule and no motivation to go to the early games based on a fairly no-name roster with little expectation of competing. The one game that was decent, people went to.

Just my take.

[Butter]

At least he had the Icky Shuffle.

Not really. He pretty much had one good year, which was '88. After that, he was mostly hurt and ineffective.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Then came Indy in week 6, and by then, people knew Indy sucked

But it was their second best attendance of the year

SF - 43,363
Buf - 41,142
Indy - 52,068
Pitt - 63,462
Cle - 48,260

There's also the Pittsburgh-fans-in-large-numbers issue to account for with that particular game.

FWIW, I think you're right, that it's a function of low expectations combined with the roster makeup that's doing it. Remember, Atlanta drew more fans losing with Vick than they did winning without him. People like to see stars, just the nature of the beast.

[Ksyrup]

Well, there are a lot of Indy fans here, it being so close to Cincy/Lexington. So that might have something to do with drawing more fans for that game. They weren't yet 0-11.

[JPhillips]

But it was their second best attendance of the year

SF - 43,363
Buf - 41,142
Indy - 52,068
Pitt - 63,462
Cle - 48,260

There's also the Pittsburgh-fans-in-large-numbers issue to account for with that particular game.

FWIW, I think you're right, that it's a function of low expectations combined with the roster makeup that's doing it. Remember, Atlanta drew more fans losing with Vick than they did winning without him. People like to see stars, just the nature of the beast.

The Southern Ohio economy also really sucks. Unemployment is slightly to much higher in most of the counties the Bengals draw from.

[Honolulu_Blue]

The Southern Ohio economy also really sucks. Unemployment is slightly to much higher in most of the counties the Bengals draw from.

Yeah, I don't think this point can really be overlooked. It's hard to use Detroit and south east Michigan in general as a comparison, because this is a football crazy area.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The Southern Ohio economy also really sucks. Unemployment is slightly to much higher in most of the counties the Bengals draw from.

The Cincy metro (MSA) is currently 0.1 % lower than the national average.

Granted, say, Dayton is higher (+0.4%) but is that area so much of the Bengals fan base? (I'm asking, I have no idea where they come from until you tell me)

[Bearcat729]

But it was their second best attendance of the year

SF - 43,363
Buf - 41,142
Indy - 52,068
Pitt - 63,462
Cle - 48,260

There's also the Pittsburgh-fans-in-large-numbers issue to account for with that particular game.

FWIW, I think you're right, that it's a function of low expectations combined with the roster makeup that's doing it. Remember, Atlanta drew more fans losing with Vick than they did winning without him. People like to see stars, just the nature of the beast.

The Cleveland game surprised me because much like Pittsburgh and Indy the Browns fans usually travel down to see the game. I'd guess the fact that the team sucks, along with Thanksgiving were the whole reason that the attendance was so low.

I'd say that the fans are tired of supporting the Brown family mainly, coupled with the economy, and maybe a little resentment towards the stadium funding being a big thing with the local budget hassles this year as the reason that they are not going to games as much.

Give the Bengals a playoff game and you'll see more people in the stadium, and then another good season next year and it'll go back to being sell outs.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Suh's 2 game suspenion is upheld on appeal. So, he'll miss this week against New Orleans and next week against Minnesota.

The Lions heading into New Orleans this week reminds me of that scene in Jurassic Park when that cow or yak or whatever was lowered into the velociraptor pit.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The Lions heading into New Orleans this week reminds me of that scene in Jurassic Park when that cow or yak or whatever was lowered into the velociraptor pit.
Matthew Stafford does kinda look like a cow.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Matthew Stafford does kinda look like a cow.

words hurt, you know

[rowech]

Now that somebody brought it up, it does seems kind of strange
2011 avg home att - 49,619 7-4
2010 avg home att - 60,634 4-12
2009 avg home att - 64,004 10-6

Are people that pissed at Paul Brown?

I have no doubt the Bengals attendance is because of:

1. the economy -- it's horrible in Ohio
2. people trying to prove a point to Mike Brown and staying strong in their will to do so despite the team doing well.

[JPhillips]

The Cincy metro (MSA) is currently 0.1 % lower than the national average.

Granted, say, Dayton is higher (+0.4%) but is that area so much of the Bengals fan base? (I'm asking, I have no idea where they come from until you tell me)

Yeah, in looking at more recent data the immediate metro area has gotten better. The Dayton area is bad and the rural counties west of Cincy are awful. They could probably get sellouts if the team didn't have such a terrible history. I think the Bengals lost a lot of season tickets after last year and the Palmer situation.

[Grover]

Donovan McNabb has gone unclaimed through waivers. I'm not surprised.

Secondly, the Vikings have picked up Sage Rosenfels.

[lungs]

Didn't the Reds have pretty mediocre attendance when they made the playoffs in 2010?

[Suicane75]

I'm having Ray Rhodes flashbacks. Someone help me.

[Rizon]

I'm having Ray Rhodes flashbacks. Someone help me.

http://thepirata.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/worlds-tallest-bridge-1.jpg

[Suicane75]

If I could take Desean Jackson with me..............

[Lathum]

Didn't the Reds have pretty mediocre attendance when they made the playoffs in 2010?

25,438 in 2010. In 2011 they were at 27,327.

[Buccaneer]

The only other thing to go along with the Eagles failing would be for the Jets to miss the playoffs. What a joy to have such an overrated, whining, crybaby team like the Eagles to go thud.

[RendeR]

The only other thing to go along with the Eagles failing would be for the Jets to miss the playoffs. What a joy to have such an overrated, whining, crybaby team like the Eagles to go thud.



Oh god I would love to see the Jets crash and burn. I hate that belligerent fat fuck.

[RainMaker]

I have no doubt the Bengals attendance is because of:

1. the economy -- it's horrible in Ohio
2. people trying to prove a point to Mike Brown and staying strong in their will to do so despite the team doing well.

I have a friend who works for a major ticket broker outlet and we talked about them when I noticed how few fans were at a game and how well they've done this year. He told me they don't really offer a lot of cheap tickets. That their expensive tickets aren't as high priced as others, but they don't have a lot of super cheap tickets that some teams have up in the nosebleeds.

Basically they have one of the dumbest ticket pricing systems in the league.

[rowech]

I have a friend who works for a major ticket broker outlet and we talked about them when I noticed how few fans were at a game and how well they've done this year. He told me they don't really offer a lot of cheap tickets. That their expensive tickets aren't as high priced as others, but they don't have a lot of super cheap tickets that some teams have up in the nosebleeds.

Basically they have one of the dumbest ticket pricing systems in the league.

The cheapest tickets they've had are $75. That's been lowered in the last couple of weeks to $65. Still too much for me. Here are the Bengals seat prices compared to the Packers.

Stadium Map and Ticket Pricing - Cincinnati Bengals (http://www.bengals.com/tickets/stadium-map-and-ticket-pricing.html)

Packers.com | Seating Diagram (http://www.packers.com/tickets/seating-diagram.html)

They're now cheaper but I'm fairly certain the Bengals lowered their price by 10 bucks for all areas which means they were actually more expensive than the Packers.

[Matthean]

Suh's 2 game suspenion is upheld on appeal. So, he'll miss this week against New Orleans and next week against Minnesota.

The Lions heading into New Orleans this week reminds me of that scene in Jurassic Park when that cow or yak or whatever was lowered into the velociraptor pit.

Not really making his case by running into a tree either. His brain might be inside his body, but it's not attached to his head.

[Grover]

Not really making his case by running into a tree either. His brain might be inside his body, but it's not attached to his head.

I hear he stomped on a few limbs because he was mad at the tree.

[JPhillips]

The Hamilton county deficit and the Bengals' lease probably also plays a role. The county is going to sell a hospital to cover the deficit and the Bengals refuse to alter their lease in any way that will benefit the county. They actually have a provision in the lease that the county will have to pay for a holographic replay system if one is ever developed.

People in southern Ohio really hate Mike Brown and it's going to take a run of success to overcome that.

[rowech]

The Hamilton county deficit and the Bengals' lease probably also plays a role. The county is going to sell a hospital to cover the deficit and the Bengals refuse to alter their lease in any way that will benefit the county. They actually have a provision in the lease that the county will have to pay for a holographic replay system if one is ever developed.

People in southern Ohio really hate Mike Brown and it's going to take a run of success to overcome that.

or a death

[stevew]

It's possible that not wearing pajama uniforms could work. Zubazz 4 Lyfe!

[RendeR]

It's possible that not wearing pajama uniforms could work. Zubazz 4 Lyfe!



Says the fan of a team who can't even afford stickers on both sides of their fuckin helmet.

Get a real mascot.

[JPhillips]

Ugh. Dunlap and Clements out for the Bengals.

[Grover]

Ugh. Dunlap and Clements out for the Bengals.

Egad. Pacman and Jennings at corner? This could be a long day...

[Vince, Pt. II]

Is it weird that I'm worried about the 49er - Ram game? I totally shouldn't be, but I have a bad feeling. Nearly ten years of sucky 49er teams has taken its toll, I guess.

[whomario]

no Von Miller for the Broncos, just imagine if the Broncos/Tebow still win without maybe their best player ;)

[Passacaglia]

no Von Miller for the Broncos, just imagine if the Broncos/Tebow still win without maybe their best player ;)

But Peterson is out for the Vikings, right?

[stevew]

Nice kick Nuge

[whomario]

rough turn of events for the Bengals, going from a TD to a blocked FG attempts due to 2 penalties ...

[Grover]

The false start on AJ Green was ticky tack. Work so hard to get down inside then ten and then blow it. Sigh.

[rowech]

rough turn of events for the Bengals, going from a TD to a blocked FG attempts due to 2 penalties ...

Or as Bengals fan call it -- Sunday.

[jeff061]

The Marv Albert team is consistently one of the worst set of announcers I have ever heard.

[rowech]

Does anyone have a clue how Spiller has run for -56 yards?

[kingfc22]

Bears just can't get a break. Forte down with an apparent knee injury.

[Grover]

Does anyone have a clue how Spiller has run for -56 yards?

ESPN says 4/44. Must be a bug.

[Pumpy Tudors]

what do you mean its 130pm and nobody is whining about officials yet

[bhlloy]

OMGZ did you see Tebow exhort that guy to make that pick and run it back? The guy just wins

(ducks and runs)

[larrymcg421]

Broncos defense with a pick 6. It's a good thing they have Tebow, because there's no way they could've got a pick six without him.

[Pumpy Tudors]

You guys know Tebow made the Florida Gators return interceptions for touchdowns, too, right? This shit ain't new.

GO TEBOW!!!!!!!!

[Grover]

what do you mean its 130pm and nobody is whining about officials yet

Did you see that call against (insert player/team)!? What a frickin' travesty! These refs need to get their heads out of their asses!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Did you see that call against (insert player/team)!? What a frickin' travesty! These refs need to get their heads out of their asses!
Thanks for coming through in the clutch.

[rowech]

ESPN says 4/44. Must be a bug.

Actually it wasn't. I haven't seen the play but as I understand it somehow he fumbled and the ball went out the back of the end zone and he had been credited with a 56 yard loss. Assuming because nobody actually recovered? I don't have a clue. Kinda want to see the play but in any case, the fumble was overturned.

[stevew]

Who Dey!!!!

[Grover]

I want to cry.

[rowech]

Bengals are good enough to beat the teams they should be not good enough to beat the teams they shouldn't.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Actually it wasn't. I haven't seen the play but as I understand it somehow he fumbled and the ball went out the back of the end zone and he had been credited with a 56 yard loss. Assuming because nobody actually recovered? I don't have a clue. Kinda want to see the play but in any case, the fumble was overturned.
There really wasn't much to the play. He had the ball on a long run, it got punched out and rolled forward toward the back of the end zone. He recovered it himself in the end zone for a touchdown. It was originally ruled a touchback because it was so close to the end line, but upon review, it was ruled a touchdown. So it's just a long touchdown run, basically.

Edit to add: There's no reason in the world it could have been a loss of yardage on the play, so I would call it a bug in whatever scoring system credited him with a loss.

[stevew]

Who Dey!!!!

[Grover]

Who Dey!!!!

Nice block in the back to spring that return.

[rowech]

Nice block in the back to spring that return.

I don't understand how officials can miss that. It wasn't clustered in a mass of bodies -- it was the first guy down the field for crying out loud.

[SirFozzie]

Re-Gronkage.

[EagleFan]

I don't understand how officials can miss that. It wasn't clustered in a mass of bodies -- it was the first guy down the field for crying out loud.

Same refs that did the Dallas/Miami game on Thanksgiving?

[TroyF]

It's amazing what happens when Denver gets in trouble. They do one thing:

They throw the ball on first down and usually get a 12-15 yard completion. Then the run miraculously starts to work. First play of this drive was a throw to Decker for about 15. Suddenly the successful runs start happening.

Tebow has three missed throws today:

1) first play of a the game, swing pass thrown to far in front of the WR
2) Perfect throw on an out route where Thomas is lazy and doesn't get the second foot down.
3) Drop over the middle by Decker (not a great throw, but a ball that should have been caught.

He's 6/9, 67 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT (or near INT's).

Throw the damned football on first down once in awhile. Not every time, maybe not 50% of the time, but at least 40% of the time. If he hits the throw, the entire running game opens back up. This isn't that hard.

[EagleFan]

Did someone tell Tebow that there was only a few minutes left in the game before that drive?

[EagleFan]

Crap, I should have started Cam Newton this week in fantasy (seems when I try to outthink whether to go with him or Brees I make what ends up being the wrong choice).

[whomario]

why didn´t the Broncos go for 2 there ? I mean, down 1 or down 2 doesn´t really make much difference, right ?

also, how about Kyle Orton injured on his first play as a Chief ?

And that first Newton TD was awesome, that was a hiiiigh jump.

[SirFozzie]

If two Gronk TD's is a Re-Gronkage, is Three Gronk TD's a TriGRONK?

[TroyF]

why didn´t the Broncos go for 2 there ? I mean, down 1 or down 2 doesn´t really make much difference, right ?

also, how about Kyle Orton injured on his first play as a Chief ?

And that first Newton TD was awesome, that was a hiiiigh jump.

Too early in the game to give up points I think. I'd have went for one.

[TroyF]

Now Denver has the ball and it's a 1 point game again. Does Fox continue to keep the offense open a little, or do they go back into the shell and have a 3 run and out series?

[SirFozzie]

Awww, no record for Gronk (yet), they're rulling the last one as a lateral and as such a Rushing TD for Gronk.. so he's still tied for the record with 13 TD's in a season

[Pumpy Tudors]

If two Gronk TD's is a Re-Gronkage, is Three Gronk TD's a TriGRONK?
Not sure. You're the first person I've ever seen use these terms, so I think you're free to call them whatever you want.

Actually, if he scores a fourth TD, let's call it a diesel locomotive.

[TroyF]

Now Denver has the ball and it's a 1 point game again. Does Fox continue to keep the offense open a little, or do they go back into the shell and have a 3 run and out series?

3 runs and out. Terrific Fox. Terrific. Jack Ass.

By the way, anyone who still wants to give the offensive line credit, you can stop. Seriously, just stop. They've had 2 situations where they needed to show up today. On the goal line, safety. 3rd and 1, stuffed against a team who hadn't stopped anyone on 3rd and 1 all year. Fox, get your head out of your ass and open up this offense a little bit.

[Julio Riddols]

Cinci picked a nice week to lay an egg. Terrible performance.

[stevew]

When did Dalton switch to wearing jersey #92

[TroyF]

Down 8 again. I pin that one squarely on John Fox. You had momentum and gave it away. Now you are looking at a deficit again.

Sensational INT return by Burnett of the Dolphins. Raiders getting smashed.

[EagleFan]

If refs are going to throw a flag when a DB looks at a receiver wrong they have to throw a flag when the receiver pushes off like that.

[Matthean]

I remember a couple of weeks ago saying the Bucs will be in the bottom of the division in a couple of years once the Panthers get going. I guess I should of said weeks. It's a brutal division, but I think it's going to be some time before they get mentioned in terms of playoffs.

[EagleFan]

Wow.

[TroyF]

So then we throw on first down. TD to Thomas.

Does anyone else besides me see a trend in how Denver is doing things? Anyone?

[Pumpy Tudors]

TEEEEEEBOOOOOOW

[cuervo72]

That was a nice play.

[Pumpy Tudors]

The Broncos didn't actually score on a "play". They scored on the shoulders and left arm of TEEEEEEEEEEBOOOOOOOOOW!!!

[EagleFan]

How could Tebow allow that to happen? Why Tebow? Why?

[EagleFan]

;)

[TroyF]

Bucs complete disintegration continues.

Bengals, Raiders, Colts getting destroyed.

Yates looking OK as Falcons, Texans in a battle.

Sanchez vs. Grossman, Palko vs. Haney. . . good lord those games are bad.

CJ continues to play well, Titans keeping pressure on Texans.

[EagleFan]

Oh, the way the crowd had reacted I thought that the Vikings had recovered, that's what I get for not paying attention.

[stevew]

The hit on Eddie Royal by his own guy was brutal.

[TroyF]

Tebow makes a good throw on a 3rd and 12, but it's called back on an illegal hands to the face penalty (a pretty poor call, because Allen had his hands to the face as well)

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm wondering if the Bears win another game with Hanie at QB.

[EagleFan]

I'm wondering if the Bears win another game with Hanie at QB.

Maybe next week with McNabb at QB.

[Coffee Warlord]

Maybe next week with McNabb at QB.

I said win. :)

[TroyF]

Harvin again. Broncos can't get pressure with 4 because of the Miller injury. It's destroying them today.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Welp, the Broncos defense of old is back. Couldn't tackle a tackling dummy if you tipped it halfway over.

[TroyF]

wow, throw on first down. Shocked.

[TroyF]

Well, that was fast. I think you have to go for two here.

[EagleFan]

This is an entertaining game.

[Grover]

They're singing 'You'll Never Tebow Alone' from the Anfield terraces.

[EagleFan]

...on the 7th day Tebow played football...

[TroyF]

Tebow for 2, tie game.

8/11 150 yards, 2 TD throwing today.

[kingfc22]

Oh yes. It is Tebow Time once again. LOL!

Loving this.

[mauchow]

Keep throwing it to Harvin - I need help this week, I accidentally started Josh Freeman this week at QB instead of picking up another QB. In hindsight, Ponder would have been a nice pick up. :)

Ah, well. It's been a fun game to watch as a Vikings fan. Nice to see the Vikings play well and show signs for being a little better next year.

[Pumpy Tudors]

As much as people like to talk shit about Tim Tebow, when everyone in the world knows what he's doing on the two-point conversion and it still can't be stopped, the man has a place on a football team.

[stevew]

Wow....nobody saw Tebow with the keeper? Nobody?

[Pumpy Tudors]

Wow....nobody saw Tebow with the keeper? Nobody?
Everybody saw it. My distant cousin in Botswana called me via tin can phone and told me she saw it coming. It's just unstoppable.

[EagleFan]

As much as people like to talk shit about Tim Tebow, when everyone in the world knows what he's doing on the two-point conversion and it still can't be stopped, the man has a place on a football team.

Watch your language, Tebow would not be happy.


:)

[EagleFan]

To be fair it was an option and not a straight keeper.

[TroyF]

As much as people like to talk shit about Tim Tebow, when everyone in the world knows what he's doing on the two-point conversion and it still can't be stopped, the man has a place on a football team.

I've been saying that for two years.

Keep in mind Denver lost a game this year because the "guy who gave us the best chance to win" took 4 snaps on the 1 yard line against the Titans and could not find a way to get it in. How idiotic does Fox look over that one now?

[TroyF]

Broncos D just getting gashed. They need a Ponder turnover here or the Vikings are going to go down and score.

[kingfc22]

Broncos D just getting gashed. They need a Ponder turnover here or the Vikings are going to go down and score.

Tebow will make it so.

[TroyF]

Wow, the ref who refused to call hands to the face on Allen that ended a Broncos drive just called it on the Broncos. Impressive. Denver D needs to step up here. Vikings have to be held to a FG here.

[JPhillips]

If imminent pressure is an element of an intentional grounding call, why was Hanie called last week on the not quite spike?

[EagleFan]

Tebow time now?

[TroyF]

Well, here we go again, Denver down 3, 3 minutes left.

I can see Denver having all of their TO's left just running it three straight times here. That's how Fox likes to coach.

[TroyF]

If imminent pressure is an element of an intentional grounding call, why was Hanie called last week on the not quite spike?

I didn't think of that, but that's a very good question.

[EagleFan]

Wow, in FG range!

[Crapshoot]

Ok, how the hell was that WR so wide open on that play?

[stevew]

I wonder what % Denver would convert if they went for 2 every time

[kingfc22]

Ok, how the hell was that WR so wide open on that play?

Tebow used his Jedi mind trick on the CB.

"You will not help over the top".

[TroyF]

Tebow is now 10-14, 202 yards.

[EagleFan]

Ok, how the hell was that WR so wide open on that play?

It was Tebow's will. :)


(it's kind of fun watching these games when I don't have any concern about who wins now that I have given up on the Iggles this season :) )

[TroyF]

Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

[whomario]

what the hell macgahee ?

[EagleFan]

It's like watching the anti-Andy Ried call plays.

[stevew]

Why is a Denver @ Minnesota game on Fox? I thought that would be a CBS game?

[Bearcat729]

I wonder how much Washington would trade for Indy's #1 pick so that they can draft Luck..

[whomario]

just fucking run tebow straight through the middle or sth there, no way do you loose yards that way and likely get a first down or at least a shorter FG attempt ...

[TroyF]

I'll just say it now, I'm all in on the kid. That was a PERFECT throw. That should have been the game winning TD.

[whomario]

wow, that was close, that´d be unbelievably awesome ... Great check by Tebow at the line

[EagleFan]

Why is a Denver @ Minnesota game on Fox? I thought that would be a CBS game?

Good question. Usually goes to the channel of the road team.

[Crapshoot]

That was horrific play calling - is John Fox always that bad?

[stevew]

Perfect throw there. Thomas should have made that play

[TroyF]

That was horrific play calling - is John Fox always that bad?

Please go back to about the last 4 NFL threads where I've done nothing but complain about it. Yes, the play calling is always this bad. Tebow has thrown the ball well for the better part of 10 straight quarters now and they continue to act as though he doesn't know how to throw the ball. It's time to turn this offense loose. He can handle it.

[Crapshoot]

Damnit, my feed just switched from the Den-Min game to Atl-Tex; I want to go back!

[Crapshoot]

Please go back to about the last 4 NFL threads where I've done nothing but complain about it. Yes, the play calling is always this bad. Tebow has thrown the ball well for the better part of 10 straight quarters now and they continue to act as though he doesn't know how to throw the ball. It's time to turn this offense loose. He can handle it.

Sorry dude. :D

[TroyF]

Good question. Usually goes to the channel of the road team.

It had something to do with the Sunday night game getting taken away from Fox. They were allowed to grab an interconference matchup because of it and they chose to ride the Tebow train.

[whomario]

Tebow with the Jedi-Int !

[EagleFan]

Wow!

[mckerney]

Saw that one coming a mile away. More obvious than the Tebow run for 2. As soon as they asked Ponder to throw it more than 3 yards down field it was game over.

[stevew]

Tebow with an awesome interception there.

[kingfc22]

The mighty Tebow's with a pick!

[Julio Riddols]

TEBOW!!!! hahahahahaha

[Galaxy]

WTF Fox? You switch from the Vikings game, over to end of Falcons game, then go a commercial with about 30 seconds left, telling me the next game will start within moments. May I see the ending of ONE of the games?

[EagleFan]

It had something to do with the Sunday night game getting taken away from Fox. They were allowed to grab an interconference matchup because of it and they chose to ride the Tebow train.

Ah, that's right. The Sunday night was going to be the Patriots/Colts.

[Crapshoot]

Galaxy, same thing happened to me - I think its because my local game (49ers) is about to start.

[mauchow]

Beckum just went Tecmo Super Bowl on the Packer defenders. Hell yeah former Badger!

[gstelmack]

Please go back to about the last 4 NFL threads where I've done nothing but complain about it. Yes, the play calling is always this bad. Tebow has thrown the ball well for the better part of 10 straight quarters now and they continue to act as though he doesn't know how to throw the ball. It's time to turn this offense loose. He can handle it.

You can go back to the last few seasons of Carolina for some examples. Again, I'll point out that Matt Moore is doing reasonably well in Miami.

[TroyF]

I'll just repeat, I'm all in.

[EagleFan]

:bowdown:

[Pumpy Tudors]

TEEEEEEEEEBOWWWWWWWWWWW

[SunDevil]

I am now officially buying the DVD that comes out about Denver's season this year. And I hate fucking FOX for switching the coverage to some shitty Cardinals game.

[SunDevil]

Time of Possession: DEN - 22:09 || MIN - 37:51 =========== TEBOW

[JonInMiddleGA]

Time of Possession: DEN - 22:09 || MIN - 37:51

Vikings went to the same well that so many college teams tried, keeping Tebow off the field to limit his opportunities to beat them.

[BYU 14]

And I hate fucking FOX for switching the coverage to some shitty Cardinals game.

+ whatever the fuck comes after infinity, wonder how many others who live here are pissed.

[kingfc22]

+ whatever the fuck comes after infinity, wonder how many others who live here are pissed.

Solution = Red Zone Channel

[Senator]

Read the Tebow thread for first rate entertainment. Love beats hate, yo.

[Pumpy Tudors]

TEBOW

[BYU 14]

Solution = Red Zone Channel

Shows you where my head was, I even have that......:banghead:

[Lathum]

That was fun while it lasted

[kingfc22]

And Patrick Willis is leaving the field with an injury to his leg. (Hamstring possibly)

[larrymcg421]

So frustrating that the Dolphins could easily be 7-5 right now.

[mckerney]

Please let the Colts find a way to win three games to close out the year.

[Lathum]

I like the strategy of giving Rodgers a shorthand field to work with. Maybe it will confuse him.

[sabotai]

Well, it was fun while it lasted...

[Matthean]

Denver and Oakland have been outscored by a combined 70 points. They lead the AFC West at 7-4. The team with the potential for the best point difference is S.D., who is in last place.

[BillJasper]

After all these years I still don't get the love for Eli Manning...

[Lathum]

Saw that one from a mile away.

[EagleFan]

Let's go Pack!!!

[EagleFan]

What hands to head gear? He hit his chest.

[TroyF]

Time of Possession: DEN - 22:09 || MIN - 37:51 =========== TEBOW

That was NOT ON TEBOW. That was on Fox.

When the QB goes 10-15 for 200 yards, I don't think you can pin time of possession on him, no matter how hard you try.

[SunDevil]

That was NOT ON TEBOW. That was on Fox.

When the QB goes 10-15 for 200 yards, I don't think you can pin time of possession on him, no matter how hard you try.

Troy,

You are getting into the habit of thinking that everything is a nail.... I was actually giving tebow a compliment that even with losing the time of possession, tebow still won. In the future please save your tebow defense for other people, as I am on Pumpy's side. :D

[Lathum]

Victor Cruz needs to start acting like he's made a 25 yard catch before.

[Radii]

You can go back to the last few seasons of Carolina for some examples. Again, I'll point out that Matt Moore is doing reasonably well in Miami.

Yea its nice to see Carolina throw the ball on 3rd and 8 instead of running up the middle and punting every single time. Also they often times have more than 1 timeout remaining in the final 2 minutes of halves when they need them. Its really refreshing.

[TroyF]

Yea its nice to see Carolina throw the ball on 3rd and 8 instead of running up the middle and punting every single time. Also they often times have more than 1 timeout remaining in the final 2 minutes of halves when they need them. Its really refreshing.

Really haven't had the timeout problem here. We have the other one in spades.

[TroyF]

Troy,

You are getting into the habit of thinking that everything is a nail.... I was actually giving tebow a compliment that even with losing the time of possession, tebow still won. In the future please save your tebow defense for other people, as I am on Pumpy's side. :D

Nothing against you, it's just the play calling is starting to drive me nuts.

[kingfc22]

Damnit Vernon.

That ball could not have been more perfectly placed in your hands.

Another red zone trip, another FG. UGH!!!

[Glengoyne]

So frustrating that the Dolphins could easily be 7-5 right now.

Really? I thought Sporano was still the coach. Go figure ;)

[Buccaneer]

Nothing against you, it's just the play calling is starting to drive me nuts.

Look on the bright side, it takes your mind off of your officiating rants. ;)

Seriously dude, you let too many things drive you nuts. One can learn to be content with the things one cannot control.

[Pumpy Tudors]

One thing I've discovered about the Denver secondary is that Andre' Goodman has absolutely no interest in tackling anyone except the man he's covering. Someone should tell him that it's legal to tackle the ball carrier no matter who it is. That's just something that struck me as I was watching highlights of today's game and thinking back to other games earlier in the season.

[EagleFan]

Victor Cruz needs to start acting like he's made a 25 yard catch before.

Sadly there are a lot of players in the NFL that need to learn that.

[Crapshoot]

Alex Smith finally connects on the deep ball - TD, 49ers to Michael Crabtree.

[MizzouRah]

Alex Smith finally connects on the deep ball - TD, 49ers to Michael Crabtree.

In other news, AJ Feeley SUCKS!

[Lathum]

Bad challenge there from Coughlin

[BillJasper]

Bad challenge there from Coughlin

No doubt. Why would you waste your last challenge on a five yard play? :lol:

[Lathum]

No way was that a touchdown

[Honolulu_Blue]

No way was that a touchdown

I agree.

[Lathum]

Horrible

[RainMaker]

It's the Packers.

[Crapshoot]

In other news, AJ Feeley SUCKS!

On the bright side, thank you for Aldon Smith (and Justin Smith!) - pass rush out of Mizzou:D

[Fonzie]

Count me as one Packers fan who did not think that was a TD.

[tucker rocky]

No way was that a touchdown

I agree.

Didn't look like total control, amazing how that TD stands.