RIP (not): Kim Jong Il

[cartman]

Dear Leader has passed, according to North Korea.

[cartman]

Link with info:

BBC News - N Korean leader Kim Jong-il dies (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16239693)

[Crapshoot]

Bloody hell.

[Autumn]

Wow that Lonely Dictator video is feeling more documentary at this point.

[Autumn]

Died of "over work" they announce. So creepy to see a country like that in action where they actually that kind of propaganda and expect people to swallow it.

[Dutch]

"You have not heard the rast of Kim Jong-Il! I will return! You shall see. I will be back! [enters spaceship and launches out of the palace] So rong, Earthrings!"

[cartman]

The BBC obit:

BBC News - Obituary: Kim Jong-il (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-10745725)

[Grover]

Good riddance.

[stevew]

His license to Il must have expired.

[bhlloy]

Isn't his son more bat shit crazy than he is though? With all the recent tensions between North and South I can see junior doing something really stupid to announce his arrival on the scene. Awesome.

[Autumn]

Dear Leader has passed, according to North Korea.

Also, FOFC had this 1 minute ago.

[kcchief19]

Died of "over work" they announce. So creepy to see a country like that in action where they actually that kind of propaganda and expect people to swallow it.
Hey, at least they said he as dead. The Russians used to be a little slow with that. I figure Casto might be dead for a few months before the Cubans announce it.

[Young Drachma]

So ronrey.

[tucking fypo]

Died of "over work" they announce. So creepy to see a country like that in action where they actually that kind of propaganda and expect people to swallow it.

Much like the Russians did with Lenin to create a cult of personality so Stalin could be inextricably linked to Lenin.

[cartman]

Isn't his son more bat shit crazy than he is though? With all the recent tensions between North and South I can see junior doing something really stupid to announce his arrival on the scene. Awesome.

There are a couple of sons I've heard about. There was one that was considered a mini-me version, and was thought to be the heir, but he fell out of favor after getting caught trying to visit Disneyland Japan with a fake passport. The one they are mentioning now, Kim Jong Un, is nearly completely unknown. He wasn't acknowledged publicly until a couple of years ago when he was announced as a 4 star general.

[Autumn]

There are a couple of sons I've heard about. There was one that was considered a mini-me version, and was thought to be the heir, but he fell out of favor after getting caught trying to visit Disneyland Japan with a fake passport. The one they are mentioning now, Kim Jong Un, is nearly completely unknown. He wasn't acknowledged publicly until a couple of years ago when he was announced as a 4 star general.

I smell clone!

[tucker rocky]

His license to Il must have expired.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/5c/Licensed_to_ill.jpg/220px-Licensed_to_ill.jpg

Columbia Records' fastest selling debut album.

[Matthean]

So ronrey.

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[EagleFan]

Bloody hell.

This upsets you?

[Mustang]

Obama would get a bump in approval ratings if he just went on TV and said, "My fellow Americans. Today we learned that Kim Jong Il has died... " *shrug shoulders* "eh.. oh well"

[Crapshoot]

This upsets you?

Yes, clearly that's what happened. :rolleyes:. I'm more worried about what some 28 year old in charge of nuclear weapons might do to establish his credentials as leader; saber-rattling.

[EagleFan]

Yes, clearly that's what happened. :rolleyes:. I'm more worried about what some 28 year old in charge of nuclear weapons might do to establish his credentials as leader; saber-rattling.

There's also the chance that the country moves forward toward sanity now with him out of the way.

[DaddyTorgo]

There's also the chance that the country moves forward toward sanity now with him out of the way.

:lol:

No chance of that.

[mckerney]

Today the world lost an amazing golfer. :(

[Grover]

kim jong-il looking at things (http://kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com/)

And a great Looker At Of Things.

[CrimsonFox]

"You have not heard the rast of Kim Jong-Il! I will return! You shall see. I will be back! [enters spaceship and launches out of the palace] So rong, Earthrings!"

Best post of FOFC

[CrimsonFox]

So I wonder which secret service killed him. Or even which really OBVIOUS service.

[RainMaker]

We have lost the greatest golfer the world has ever seen.

[Apathetic Lurker]

So I wonder which secret service killed him. Or even which really OBVIOUS service.

Whichever one his son is in charge of......

[ISiddiqui]

R.I.P. Regardless of his evil acts, he was still a human being.

[Buccaneer]

:lol:

No chance of that.

We agree on something. :)

[Kodos]

R.I.P. Regardless of his evil acts, he was still a human being.

Bah. Humbug.

[cody8200]

R.I.P. Regardless of his evil acts, he was still a human being.

Ugh. So was Hitler (yep...they are comparable since Ill starved millions of his own people). Some might say that makes him worse. I hope hell is real so he is burning in it.

[ISiddiqui]

Yes, Hitler was a human being as well, a creation of God who turned to evil acts. Still a human being.

And I don't believe in Hell, at least the traditional concept of it.

[stevew]

I sure hope Hennessey is able to recover from the loss of his business(600-750k per year estimated)

[panerd]

Ugh. So was Hitler (yep...they are comparable since Ill starved millions of his own people). Some might say that makes him worse. I hope hell is real so he is burning in it.

Good to see Godwin's law appear within the first 50 or so posts of this thread.

[BillJasper]

R.I.P. Regardless of his evil acts, he was still a human being.

Yes he was.

But people like him make me want to believe in life-after-death, so he can answer for the atrocities he's committed.

[cody8200]

Good to see Godwin's law appear within the first 50 or so posts of this thread.

I knew that would come up but when you are talking about a dictator that committed atrocities against his people, isn't it reasonable to mention another dictator that committed atrocities against his people? I guess I could go back and edit it with Stalin...

[stevew]

He's more like Pol Pot

[cody8200]

He's more like Pol Pot

Very true. Was trying to think of his name and kept remembering the Khmer Rouge, the country and everything else but forgot the dictator's name.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

One Man Captured Secret Video in North Korea and Lived to Blog About It (http://gizmodo.com/5781946/one)

[DanGarion]

Today the world lost an amazing singer. :(

FTFY.

[DanGarion]

Good to see Godwin's law appear within the first 50 or so posts of this thread.

This thread is Godwined!

[JediKooter]

Somewhere out there, Hans Brix is saying, "No, fuck you Kim Jong...fuck you".

[JPhillips]

One Man Captured Secret Video in North Korea and Lived to Blog About It (http://gizmodo.com/5781946/one)

Worst. Upskirt video. Ever.

[cartman]

Here's a slideshow of pics taken in North Korea by Time photographers. One guy set up an elaborate story about being a Belgian chocolatier to get a visa.

North Korea: Inside a Secret State - Photo Gallery - LIFE (http://www.life.com/hdgallery/53201/image/ugc1151601/north-korea-inside-a-secret-state#index/0)

[digamma]

I remember my high school history teacher put something on the board after a famous death--very applicable here.

Theory: Cream rises to the top.
Corollary: Scum also rises.
RIP, KJI

[cartman]

Scenes of the mourning:

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[Mizzou B-ball fan]

It's an incredible thing to see how millions of people can be brainwashed over decades to create a god-like platform for their leader(s). I've read a lot of articles/books on North Korea. Those are legitimate tears being shed by those people. They're crushed by his death, even though we as outsiders know he was a schmuck to say the least.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

The party website is down. Guessing that it's not use to anyone outside of the country accessing the website.

http://www.korea-dpr.com/

[Bobble]

Dead? I didn't even know he was ... il.

[flounder]

Remembering Kim Jong-Il's Victims (http://reason.com/archives/2011/12/19/remembering-kim-jong-ils-victims)


Ri Hyon Ok was a 33-year-old mother of three who was publicly executed by the North Korean government on June 16, 2009, for the crime of giving away bibles. Her husband and children were banished to North Korea’s vast political prison system the day after she was killed.

Son Jong Nam was tortured by North Korean authorities and imprisoned for three years, from 2001 to 2004. He lost 70 pounds while in captivity and emerged walking with a permanent limp. Arrested again in 2006 after police found bibles at his home, he was sentenced to death by firing squad.

Soon Ok Lee is a survivor of the Kaechon prison camp. She testified on April 30, 2003, at a hearing of the House Subcommittee on International Terrorism, Nonproliferation, and Human Rights that women political prisoners in North Korea “were unconditionally forced to abort because the unborn baby was also considered a criminal by law.” She testified, “Women in their 8th or 9th month of pregnancy had salt solutions injected into their wombs to induce abortion. In spite of these brutal efforts, some babies were born alive, in which case the prison guards mercilessly killed the infants by squeezing their necks in front of their mothers. The dead babies were taken away for biological tests. If a mother pleaded for the life of her baby, she was publicly executed under the charge of ‘impure ideology.’”

Kang Chol Hwan is another survivor of the North Korean prison camps. He met with George W. Bush in the Oval Office in June 2005. He’s spoken of how when one prisoner was hanged, “thousands of prisoners were made to form one line and passed by the hanged person and threw stones at the dead body, shouting, ‘Let’s get rid of the people’s traitor.’ And because of throwing so many stones by thousands of prisoners, the faces and muscles were all torn up. Some women with weak heart, they didn’t obey and didn’t throw the stone. Then the officers condemned them, saying your ideology is doubtful. And beat them.”

[johnnyshaka]

It's an incredible thing to see how millions of people can be brainwashed over decades to create a god-like platform for their leader(s). I've read a lot of articles/books on North Korea. Those are legitimate tears being shed by those people. They're crushed by his death, even though we as outsiders know he was a schmuck to say the least.

Maybe they are crying because his successor is thought to be much, much worse??

(probably not, but worth a shot.)

[Autumn]

Remembering Kim Jong-Il's Victims (http://reason.com/archives/2011/12/19/remembering-kim-jong-ils-victims)

That really puts it in perspective. Thanks, Flounder.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Maybe they are crying because his successor is thought to be much, much worse??

(probably not, but worth a shot.)

And just for comparison, here's video from just after Kim Il Sung's death. A mirror image of what is in the other video.......

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[Groundhog]

Scenes of the mourning:

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Worth noting that the only video we're going to see of this is the video that the NK themselves release.

[DanGarion]

http://i.imgur.com/5G6op.jpg

[johnnyshaka]

And just for comparison, here's video from just after Kim Il Sung's death. A mirror image of what is in the other video.......


Dare I say it again...maybe they were very, very afraid of his successor?

[cartman]

Dare I say it again...maybe they were very, very afraid of his successor?

Or they have the script down pat.

[molson]

I think the mourning's legitimate, from everything I've read about how successful the regime has been in closing off information, and shielding their citizens into a cold, but content, stupor. Maybe they're happier than we are.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Interesting story about a new woman being sited next to the new guy in charge. The list of song titles she's known for is priceless.......

According to London's Telegraph, "South Korean intelligence sources" say the woman is Hyon Song Wol, a singer "who used to front the Bochonbo Electronic Music Band" and "responsible for a string of hits that included 'Footsteps of Soldiers,' 'I Love Pyongyang,' 'She is a Discharged Soldier' and 'We are Troops of the Party.'"

Her popularity "peaked in 2005 with the song 'Excellent Horse-Like Lady,'"

Who is Kim Jong Un’s mystery woman? | The Lookout - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/kim-jong-un-mystery-woman-145327445.html)

[Flasch186]

a song about her?

http://i2.listal.com/image/2552663/500full.jpg

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Bit of upheaval within the ranks......

North Korea's removal of army chief seen as purge - CSMonitor.com (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2012/0716/North-Korea-s-removal-of-army-chief-seen-as-purge)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Now THIS is what you do when a guy is caught partying during your dad's mourning period. I'm not sure I've ever heard of execution by mortar shell..........

North Korean army minister reportedly executed for drinking during mourning period | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/10/24/north-korean-army-minister-reportedly-executed-for-drinking-during-mourning/?test=latestnews)