The 2012 NFL Coaching Carousel

[k0ruptr]

I def could see Belotti stepping back in.

[MrBug708]

Peterson to Oregon

[k0ruptr]

Peterson to the Ducks is a match made in heaven

[dawgfan]

Oregon I would likely assume promote from within and then go from there when you have a better chance of a top coach.
This is why going back to Bellotti - assuming he'd take the job - makes a lot of sense. Bring him back and groom the next guy within his staff to take over when the sanctions are done.

[MrBug708]

Peterson might not go back if there are sanctions. Oregon might want to keep the same offense and promote the OC rather than bring in a new system

[Matthean]

Peterson to Oregon

If I were him, I might want to find out why their coach skipped out of town so late. All the more so when their QB left and isn't really considered much of a NFL prospect.

[dawgfan]

Peterson might not go back if there are sanctions. Oregon might want to keep the same offense and promote the OC rather than bring in a new system
Yeah, I think they'd be wise to stick with Helfrich. Or maybe bring in Bellotti for a couple years to mentor Helfrich.

I think they're a longshot to pry away either Petersen or Patterson.

[Dutch]

Chip Kelly, from Duck to Buc, WTF?

[Atocep]

John Marinatto probably shits himself if Peterson goes to Oregon.

[Ksyrup]

So I get up, check my twitter feed, and everyone and his mother is reporting Kelly to TB is a done deal about 4 hours ago. About 2 hours ago, it's off, he's had a change of heart, and he's staying. Kinda disappoints me, since I think that would have been an interesting team to follow.

[Dutch]

Media-frenzy but false alarm. Chip Kelly is not going to NFL.

[Ksyrup]

I don't think it was a false alarm.

[Eaglesfan27]

I don't think it was a false alarm.

Me neither.. and he is slimy enough that I wouldn't be shocked if "Tampa upped the offer" on Feb 2nd, and he had another change of heart.

[Ksyrup]

Speaking of slimy, I thought it was hilarious that when this came out last night, most of the skeptics immediately assumed it was a Lane Kiffin-planted rumor. The consensus was that if it had originated out of a TB station, Kiffen likely planted it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Chip Kelly of Oregon Ducks passes on Tampa Bay Buccaneers' offer, general manager says - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7492379/chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-passes-tampa-bay-buccaneers-offer-general-manager-says)

[MrBug708]

I think Peterson is going to go to Texas when that job opens up anyhow

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Chip Kelly of Oregon Ducks passes on Tampa Bay Buccaneers' offer, general manager says - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7492379/chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-passes-tampa-bay-buccaneers-offer-general-manager-says)
would love to see chip kelly in the nfl but glad it's not for the glazers.

[BillJasper]

would love to see chip kelly in the nfl but glad it's not for the glazers.

No need to click on the link, everything that's important is right in the headline. :lol:

[spleen1015]

Lots of Tressel talk today here in Indy. I really hope they got another direction.

[Ksyrup]

Lots of Tressel talk today here in Indy. I really hope they got another direction.

As in Brad Childress? :p

[spleen1015]

As in Brad Childress? :p

/wrists

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

any dolphins fans here with insight into sparano? he seemed like a good coach in a shitty situation. if i was indy i'd take a look at him.

[BillJasper]

any dolphins fans here with insight into sparano? he seemed like a good coach in a shitty situation. if i was indy i'd take a look at him.

You mean Captain Field Goal? I don't think he's the best guy for the job when it comes to developing a QB, which makes his hiring by the Jets puzzling. But beyond that I think he's a solid coach.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

he took a 1-15 team and won the east the next year. and they were out front with the wildcat stuff. shurg, i thought he was good.

[miami_fan]

he took a 1-15 team and won the east the next year. and they were out front with the wildcat stuff. shurg, i thought he was good.

And then he took an 11-5 team and went 7-9, 7-9, and 4-9 before he was fired.

[JediKooter]

And then he took an 11-5 team and went 7-9, 7-9, and 4-9 before he was fired.

Wait, are you sure that's not Norv Turner? Never mind, Norv Turner still has a job...

[miami_fan]

To fair to Tony, I don't know if the inconsistent QB play was due to his conservative approach or his conservative approach led to the inconsistent QB play. The concern for a team like the Colts is Tony's area of expertise supposedly is the O-line. Miami's O-line seemed to get worse each year.

[Ksyrup]

So funny it had to be posted in two threads.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/PAC%2010/Chip_Kelly_NFL.gif

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

So funny it had to be posted in two threads.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/PAC%2010/Chip_Kelly_NFL.gif
y'know how sometimes you write lol but you don't really lol? this time i totally lol'd

[Ksyrup]

Even the facial expressions are awesome.

[BillJasper]

he took a 1-15 team and won the east the next year. and they were out front with the wildcat stuff. shurg, i thought he was good.

He had Chad Pennington as his QB his first year. Forced to go with Henne after that.

[Doug5984]

So funny it had to be posted in two threads.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/nursetpd/PAC%2010/Chip_Kelly_NFL.gif

wow, that's great

[JediKooter]

I don't get it. :(

It looks funny though.

[dawgfan]

It is funny, but I admit I don't know who the Bucc at the podium is. Chip's expressions are great though.

[Matthean]

It is funny, but I admit I don't know who the Bucc at the podium is. Chip's expressions are great though.

Josh Freeman, Bucs QB.

[Rizon]

any dolphins fans here with insight into sparano? he seemed like a good coach in a shitty situation. if i was indy i'd take a look at him.

He made some pretty poor coaching decisions during games, some of which cost him some wins. After a few years he stopped getting a pass from me. Though there is literally no talent in that organization above the head coach.

[Radii]

On the off chance that people don't remember the simpsons episode where Bart works at a brothel:

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[Ksyrup]

Yeah, it's a work of genius. Basically, he's all ready to hang it up at Oregon until he sees who the QB is with the Buccs, then he's out the door without a moment's pause. Brilliant stuff.

[Ksyrup]

Irsay is giving away 2 SB tickets to someone who correctly tweets back who they think the new Colts coach is.

Also, a new interview with Manning is out. I thinnk it's going to fan the flames, if anything. Wow. He don't sound like a happy camper. If I had to guess, he's playing somewhere else next year.

[spleen1015]

Irsay is giving away 2 SB tickets to someone who correctly tweets back who they think the new Colts coach is.

Also, a new interview with Manning is out. I thinnk it's going to fan the flames, if anything. Wow. He don't sound like a happy camper. If I had to guess, he's playing somewhere else next year.

Sounds like he know who it is going be at this point.

[Ksyrup]

FWIW:

ProFootballTalk <S>@</S>ProFootballTalk
League source tells PFT that Chuck Pagano will be the next Colts coach.

[Ksyrup]

That report might be right.

Jim Irsay <S>@</S>JimIrsay
BREAKING NEWS coming shortly to Colts land!

[spleen1015]

Everyone is saying it now.

I don't know jack about Pagano, but I am relieved it's not a retread.

[Rizon]

I don't really pay much attention to the Colts, but all these twits you guys post here from Jim Irsay makes him sound like some extraordinarily annoying door-to-door Tupperware salesman.

[Ksyrup]

Anyone still in the running for free SB tickets?

[spleen1015]

Anyone still in the running for free SB tickets?

Not me.

[DeToxRox]

Sounds like Mike Sherman to TB is close to being official.

[JPhillips]

Mike Zimmer must give the worst interview in the history of the world.

[ColtCrazy]

Okay, so I'll need to learn more about the Pagano hiring. But coming from Baltimore and running a great D is a definite plus. My only concern now is that Clyde Christensen is still the OC. Didn't think he was a very inspiring OC.

As for Irsay's tweets...yeah, the guy has some screws loose. But he's consistently made good moves since taking over for his father (who had even more screws loose and had a nasty habit of making consistently bad decisions)

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

how many former ravens dc's were/are hc's? seems like a lot.

[rowech]

Mike Zimmer must give the worst interview in the history of the world.

I just don't see him as a head coach. Maybe it's wishful thinking so he'll stay in Cincy.

[Dutch]

Sounds like Mike Sherman to TB is close to being official.

He better be good without say....Brett Favre in his prime playing QB for him, because guess what, we don't have that in Tampa.

[Logan]

I'm disgusted right now.

[Young Drachma]

I think this is a good move for Schiano and honestly, I thought Rutgers needed a new voice. The infrastructure is in place for someone to take over his spot and I think he watched with happen to Joe Paterno's life, he probably figured it was time to take this kind of plunge.

RU is certainly in a better spot now than when he was there before and with what they're paying (though it's kinda late) they should be able to find someone better than average and perhaps they'll get over the hump now.

[miami_fan]

That would be interesting.

[Logan]

I think this is a good move for Schiano and honestly, I thought Rutgers needed a new voice. The infrastructure is in place for someone to take over his spot and I think he watched with happen to Joe Paterno's life, he probably figured it was time to take this kind of plunge.

RU is certainly in a better spot now than when he was there before and with what they're paying (though it's kinda late) they should be able to find someone better than average and perhaps they'll get over the hump now.

He's a bad game day coach. We have taken some on field steps with him giving up control of the offense and allowing him to focus on the defense. I'm not worried about the program moving forward, because as you say, the talent and infrastructure is there.

It's this year's recruiting class I'm panicking about.

[Young Drachma]

Tampa Bay Buccaneers close to hiring Rutgers Scarlet Knights' Greg Schiano as coach, sources say - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7505668/tampa-bay-buccaneers-close-hiring-greg-schiano-coach-sources-say?eleven=twelve)

For the folks who didn't know what we were talking about...

[Ksyrup]

Apparently the Chip Kelly hire was so far done that Oregon had already named the OC as new head coach, and kelly had to ask for his old job back.

Interesting news about Schiano.

[Ksyrup]

Adam Schefter <S>@</S>AdamSchefter
Not the first time this off-season Greg Schiano interviewed with NFL team. Sources say he was a finalist for Rams HC job.

[miked]

I'm torn, he was a hell of a recruiter, especially in Florida. He also took our program from the joke of the NCAA to 6 bowl games in 7 seasons (and 5 straight bowl wins). But he was a terrible game day coach.

[Matthean]

I'm torn, he was a hell of a recruiter, especially in Florida. He also took our program from the joke of the NCAA to 6 bowl games in 7 seasons (and 5 straight bowl wins). But he was a terrible game day coach.

So the one thing he was good at a GM will do and the one thing he will be asked to do he sucks at? :D

[Logan]

Yep.

[RendeR]

Not everyone can handle Zimmer's...umm....style? He doesn't mince words and tends to drop f bombs at will. And while I'm sure he cleans things up for interviews and such he still comes across as rather crude most of the time.

Hopefully he'll decide to stick around in Cincy and we can really build some consistancy and winning seasons.

[Ksyrup]

Bob Kravitz @bkravitz
Jim Irsay not happy about Peyton's comments, not in the least: "Keep it in house.'' Further details to come in the Star.


Bob Kravitz @bkravitz
Irsay also called Peyton "a politician'' for some of his quotes in my story. This, sadly, is deteriorating.

[Logan]

Bob Kravitz @bkravitz
Jim Irsay not happy about Peyton's comments, not in the least: "Keep it in house.'' Further details to come in the Star.


Bob Kravitz @bkravitz
Irsay also called Peyton "a politician'' for some of his quotes in my story. This, sadly, is deteriorating.

What house? There's nothing left of the organization.

[Ksyrup]

Maybe his mansion.

[Ksyrup]

lol

Peyton's Head <S>@</S>PeytonsHead
Trying to wrap my me around possibly being a free agent.

[Rizon]

The more I hear about Jim Irsay the more I would seriously pay $5000 to hit him in the face with a board.

[Dutch]

I'm just ready to move on and get out of the darkness. Hopefully Schiano's very successful in the NFL. :)

[bhlloy]

So where does Manning play next year?

And yeah Irsay is pretty fast becoming one of the most unlikeable people in football. Really, what this season has taught you is "manning doesn't mean this much to the organization, we should tell him to shut his trap and publicly antagonize him so his leaving is as messy as possible" It's enough to make me hope that Luck busts and the Colts spend the next 10 years like they spend last year, and I really like Andrew Luck

[Swaggs]

The 49ers would be a good fit.

[gstelmack]

I would argue that if Manning REALLY wanted to stay and retire a Colt, he'd voluntarily waive that $28 million bonus coming on March 1 and get a much better deal for the organization as they transition. He could still make millions to go with all his sponsorship money, but come down to some reasonable risk for the team given the neck injury. Sure, if Irsay wants to lowball you, yell and walk, but something more like an 8 or 9 million cap hit while you play another year or two and help coach up Luck.

If he still wants that $28 million bonus, then stop whining about how badly you want to retire a Colt.

[ISiddiqui]

So the one thing he was good at a GM will do and the one thing he will be asked to do he sucks at? :D

LOL - perfectly put.

[spleen1015]

I would argue that if Manning REALLY wanted to stay and retire a Colt, he'd voluntarily waive that $28 million bonus coming on March 1 and get a much better deal for the organization as they transition. He could still make millions to go with all his sponsorship money, but come down to some reasonable risk for the team given the neck injury. Sure, if Irsay wants to lowball you, yell and walk, but something more like an 8 or 9 million cap hit while you play another year or two and help coach up Luck.

If he still wants that $28 million bonus, then stop whining about how badly you want to retire a Colt.

The problem with this idea is that the PA won't let him waive it.

At this point, I'm pretty sure that Manning has accepted that he won't be playing for the Colts any more. The Colts aren't going to pick up the $28 million option and he will get cut. That is the best scenario for him unless he sticks with the team.

If he does become a FA, I see the Redskins getting him. That is just the way they work. If that happens, it won't work out very well and it will be a big mess. That is just the way it works with the Redskins when they sign high priced, elderly players.

BTW, the Colts won't give him the $28 million and then trade him because they would still have to eat a lot of money against the cap. I forget the number, but giving Manning the money and trading him is something in the neighborhood of a $35 million hit to the cap. There's no way they do that.

[miked]

I know the team could benefit (and so could Manning from a PR standpoint) by waiving the 28M, but did he take significantly less money early on in the form of signing bonus and salary so they could have more flexibility? Usually, when you see these sort of things, it's to benefit the team earlier in the contract...

[Danny]

I would argue that if Manning REALLY wanted to stay and retire a Colt, he'd voluntarily waive that $28 million bonus coming on March 1 and get a much better deal for the organization as they transition. He could still make millions to go with all his sponsorship money, but come down to some reasonable risk for the team given the neck injury. Sure, if Irsay wants to lowball you, yell and walk, but something more like an 8 or 9 million cap hit while you play another year or two and help coach up Luck.

If he still wants that $28 million bonus, then stop whining about how badly you want to retire a Colt.

Why should he? We all can work for companies we really like and would want to spend a career with, but does that mean we should waive our bonuses or raises or even take pay cuts to make it happen? I doubt most would, I probably wouldn't myself.

[Danny]

Dola, I am generally in favor of players spending a career with the same team, but in this case, it really is best for all involved to part ways. They aren't a playoff team anymore regardless and they would be better spent developing Luck. And Manning could go to a team like the Seahawks, Dolphins or Cardinals who actually have some decent talent and could be a playoff team or better with a healthy Manning. I really hope he doesn't go the Redskins though, that's the worst situation, no oline or offensive talent there.

[gstelmack]

Why should he? We all can work for companies we really like and would want to spend a career with, but does that mean we should waive our bonuses or raises or even take pay cuts to make it happen? I doubt most would, I probably wouldn't myself.

I don't say that he should, I just said he shouldn't whine about how much he wants to stay if he doesn't want to waive the bonus. Now it's just business, so treat it like one. This is wanting your cake and eating it, too.

As for the can he waive it or not, he can certainly renegotiate to get that $28 million bonus but then a min salary over the next 4 years, which brings it into the range I was discussing.

[Apathetic Lurker]

So where does Manning play next year?

And yeah Irsay is pretty fast becoming one of the most unlikeable people in football. Really, what this season has taught you is "manning doesn't mean this much to the organization, we should tell him to shut his trap and publicly antagonize him so his leaving is as messy as possible" It's enough to make me hope that Luck busts and the Colts spend the next 10 years like they spend last year, and I really like Andrew Luck

No, I hope Luck pulls an Elway after being drafted by the Dolts and goes on to have a hall of fame career ....

[BillJasper]

As for the can he waive it or not, he can certainly renegotiate to get that $28 million bonus but then a min salary over the next 4 years, which brings it into the range I was discussing.

I though the hang-up was over the ability to renegotiate it? I thought that with the new CBA you couldn't renegotiate a deal between the last regular season game and the first day of the new league year and the bonus is due on the first day of the league year.

[Autumn]

Too bad these guys couldn't work things out. It would have been great to take a prospect like Luck and let him sit behind an all-time great and learn the system, and the NFL, before they threw the franchise at him. That was a chance of a lifetime for him and the Colts to have the perfect circumstance for developing a QB. It seems that used to be the norm, but now picks are coming in expecting to be handed the team right away.

[spleen1015]

JOINT STATEMENT FROM PEYTON MANNING AND JIM IRSAY*

We would like to dispel any misperception that there might be any hard feelings between us.



Since 1998, we have enjoyed a great relationship, based upon mutual respect and trust. We have always been able to talk and address matters we’ve faced over the years, not just as owner and player, but as friends. We had a long talk today and we want to assure Colts fans everywhere that we are both committed to maintaining our close relationship and to working together through any challenges the future may bring.

[Dutch]

Good to know there are no hard feelings when they part ways. Bring Tebow back...this melodrama is horrible TV.

[Rizon]

If Drama Queen Jim Irsay would stop trying to incite drama then there wouldn't be any drama.

[ColtCrazy]

After watching ESPN, I officially hate them for trying to make the Manning situation sound like Favre 2.0.

I think the last few days are a big pile of nothing. Will Manning stay? I doubt it. The Colts have made a surprisingly quick cut of all things from the past. Why keep Manning if you are rebuilding? Wayne will be gone, though if they are smart they retain Mathis.

I would love to see Manning go one more year. If Pagano can turn the defense around, Manning's presence will turn the offense around. They could make one more run, especially in a water downed AFC.

It'll be a sad day if he goes.

[DeToxRox]

Bruce Arinas is taking the OC job with the Colts.

[Galaril]

Good move by the Broncos signing Jack DelRio as there new DC.

[BillJasper]

Bruce Arinas is taking the OC job with the Colts.

That was a short retirement! Good for him, hope he comes back to haunt the Steelers...

[ColtCrazy]

Kind of exciting about the new look Colts staff. A coach that is great at defense, an offense coordinator willing to run the ball some. If Manning can come back, and they can even marginally improve the run game and defense.....

Oh the hope of the off season.

[rowech]

Kind of exciting about the new look Colts staff. A coach that is great at defense, an offense coordinator willing to run the ball some. If Manning can come back, and they can even marginally improve the run game and defense.....

Oh the hope of the off season.

Uhm....you realize Manning is as good as gone, right?

[Matthean]

Even if the defense improves, it's still talent barren. It's like how Denver's defense improved, but they still gave a decent amount of points at numerous times. I think he has a max of a two year window.

[Ksyrup]

Peyton Manning likely will never play football again, sources say - latimes.com (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/peyton-manning-likely-will-never-play-football-again-sources-say.html)

[bhlloy]

It's going to be hilarious and sad if Rob Lowe ends up being right all along.

I hope if he can't come back at 100% he hangs them up. It would suck to see a couple below par seasons on a team other than the Colts just for his legacy. I think he's grounded and sufficiently un-Favreian that he'll make that call

[spleen1015]

I told a friend at a BBQ back on Labor Day that I thought he would never play again. It was more tongue in cheek because she's a huge Manning fan, ie re-locating to Indy just to get Colts season tickets to watch him play. She reminds me weekly that I put the jinx on him. :D

[Easy Mac]

My wife is a physical therapist. She's seen people with the same problems. She's no doctor (actually, I guess she is a doctor of PT), but after reading up on his injury last year, said that there was no chance he would play again. She may actually have said that he shouldn't be allowed to play again. We all know how athletes are, and I don't think we can really blame him for wanting to play.

[Ksyrup]

The thing is, he can't believe that. Otherwise, why the public feuding with Irsay? He sounds too invested as a player even now for this to be true. I bet worst case, he sits a year and tries to come back. If things are as bleak as they seem yet he's talking about the Colts front office and coaching changes as if he's still the QB, I don't think that bodes well for him accepting that he has to retire.

[spleen1015]

There has been a lot of people says the same type of things, Easy Mac.

I remember right after he had the last surgery, a guy came on local sports radio claiming to be a spinal surgery that does the same surgery all of the time and he thought there was no way Manning would ever come back.

[Blackadar]

That was a short retirement! Good for him, hope he comes back to haunt the Steelers...

He won't. The Steelers can stop a bubble screen.

[spleen1015]

The thing is, he can't believe that. Otherwise, why the public feuding with Irsay? He sounds too invested as a player even now for this to be true. I bet worst case, he sits a year and tries to come back. If things are as bleak as they seem yet he's talking about the Colts front office and coaching changes as if he's still the QB, I don't think that bodes well for him accepting that he has to retire.

I agree. If you know you're not coming back, why drag things out like this? Why say the things you've been saying? Maybe he is delusional and thinks he can come back even though expert are telling him there's no chance?

If this was Favre, I would expect him to announce his retirement on Friday. :D

What really cracks me up is all of the Colts fan that think he's going to play for the Colts again when Irsay has said he's moving the franchise forward without actually saying the words.

[stevew]

He won't. The Steelers can stop a bubble screen.

QB sweep on 3rd and 4

[Ksyrup]

Adam Schefter <S>@</S>AdamSchefter
ESPN will begin airing its sitdown interview with Peyton Manning at 3 pm, and throughout the day. Retirement sounds a long way off.