NFL Conference Championships

[kingfc22]

In the AFC, I think the gap between the Pats strength (offense) and the Ravens strength (defense) is greater than the gap between their weakness (defense) and the Ravens weakness (offense). Basically, even if the Ravens are able to slow down the Pats today I don't see their offense lighting up the Pats.

In the NFC, the Bay Area has the same feel to it as it did during the SF Giants WS run where nobody thought they would beat ATL, PHI and TEX. I expect this game to go down to the final minutes with the front 7 on defense that performs better will lead their team to victory.

[ColtCrazy]

Watching the Pats win will just anger me, so I'm keeping busy until the night game. Can't wait for the one, that should be a great one. Hoping for a Harbaugh bowl in the Super Bowl. A lot of love for Jim in Indiana still.

[jeff061]

Even I as a Pats fan was a huge fan of Jim during his Indi days. I'm loving the season he's having pretty much solely because of that.

Captain Comeback!

[fpres]

I'm going to go with my gut and pick the Ravens and Giants. I guess I'm one of the (apparently) few who thinks the Ravens' offense isn't as inept as Houston made it look last week. And I'm not picking against a Giants team on a roll.

[sabotai]

My gut says Ravens and Giants, my head says Pats and Niners....(so for the pick em game, I split the difference and picked for who I want to win. :) ).

[jeff061]

As for Pats/Ravens.

Pats defense is not nearly as good as it looked against Denver and their offense has been more inconsistent than not all season. I can easily see Baltimore holding the Pats to 20 or less and Baltimore put up north of 20.

I'm really surprised people think the Pats are as good as they are, too be honest.

[Matthean]

I guess I'm one of the (apparently) few who thinks the Ravens' offense isn't as inept as Houston made it look last week.

The Pats defense isn't the Texans defense.

[RainMaker]

Pats defense looks a little better than it did early in the year. Seems like they got a few players back and some others have settled in. It's not good, but I don't think it's as bad as people might think.

My problem with the Ravens is that they really didn't look that good against Houston. They were blown off the ball on both sides and a semi-competent QB would have had Houston winning that game last week. Their offense is also incredibly predictable. Not saying they won't make it a game, but I'd be taking New England especially with it being in Foxboro.

[molson]

As I predicted before the season started, I think it'll be Giants/Patriots:

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - NFL Predictions - 2011 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2512967&postcount=2)

(Of course, I also predicted the Rams would "dominate" the NFC West, that the Bengals would go 1-15, and that the Packers would miss the playoffs - but hey, that super bowl pick is still looking pretty good - as was the pick that the Jets "miss the playoffs as the Rex Ryan act gets a little old").

[spleen1015]

History says the Patriots and 49ers won't win the Super Bowl, so I am looking for a Ravens vs. Giants rematch from 2007.

[Lathum]

History says the Patriots and 49ers won't win the Super Bowl, so I am looking for a Ravens vs. Giants rematch from 2007.

I think you mean 2000-2001 superbowl.

As for the Giants I am a little worried because so many people seem to like them this week. However, this roll reminds me exactly of the superbowl run a few years back and I just don't trust Alex Smith yet.

[tucker rocky]

History says the Patriots and 49ers won't win the Super Bowl, so I am looking for a Ravens vs. Giants rematch from 2007.

NE/SF have never faced off in a SB, I like this matchup.
Young Padawan(Harbaugh)vs. Jedi Master(Belichick).

[panerd]

As I predicted before the season started, I think it'll be Giants/Patriots:

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - NFL Predictions - 2011 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2512967&postcount=2)

(Of course, I also predicted the Rams would "dominate" the NFC West, that the Bengals would go 1-15, and that the Packers would miss the playoffs - but hey, that super bowl pick is still looking pretty good - as was the pick that the Jets "miss the playoffs as the Rex Ryan act gets a little old").

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[BillJasper]

I hate these odd kickoff times.

[Lathum]

That national anthem was...odd...

[kingfc22]

I hate these odd singers.

fixed

[tucker rocky]

Steven Tyler with the national anthem in NE. :(

[BillJasper]

I'm an Aerosmith fan, but that was just terrible.

[BillJasper]

Flacco has a tough time seeing the open receiver. Had a man on an out route to the right side of the field.

[BillJasper]

Ed Reed has gotten into Flacco's head. :lol:

[BillJasper]

Ravens defense will have to win it for them.

[Lathum]

Ravens are screwed. At some point they will have to respect the run. When they do Brady is going to go to town.

[Dutch]

Ravens defense will have to win it for them.

Ravens D like butter on that drive. Flacco looking better than Reed so far.

[BillJasper]

Don't worry the real Flacco will show back up. :lol:

[Dutch]

Flacco holding up his end of the bargain, time for some Ravens D.

[BillJasper]

Flacco holding up his end of the bargain, time for some Ravens D.

He does look much better after a play breaks down than in the pocket...

Patriots need to be more disciplined in their rush lanes and quite opening up the right side of the field for him to roll to.

[Dutch]

Is Ed Reed even playing today?

[spleen1015]

I think you mean 2000-2001 superbowl.

As for the Giants I am a little worried because so many people seem to like them this week. However, this roll reminds me exactly of the superbowl run a few years back and I just don't trust Alex Smith yet.

You are correct!

[mauchow]

Looked like a catch to me..

[BillJasper]

Looked like a catch to me..

I thought so too.

[tucker rocky]

Pats fans not pleased with end-of-half kneeldowns?

[BillJasper]

Looked like a catch to me..

Boomer thought so too...

[Dutch]

Ravens D bending....can they stop the break?

[Dutch]

Bend but don't break.

[Dutch]

Flacco needs to step up big right here.

[BillJasper]

Flacco needs to step up big right here.

Agreed.

[QuikSand]

Every time I see Gronkowski making that standard 14 yard play against totally overmatched safeties or linebackers, I wonder "how does anyone ever stop this team?" (admittedly, I feel the same thing for Jimmy Graham and a couple other guys to a lesser extent)

I love how football is a game of matchups and adjustments like that. But what manner of player do you invest in if you start facing these 6'6" 265-lb gazelles on a regular basis?

[Dutch]

Every time I see Gronkowski making that standard 14 yard play against totally overmatched safeties or linebackers, I wonder "how does anyone ever stop this team?" (admittedly, I feel the same thing for Jimmy Graham and a couple other guys to a lesser extent)

I love how football is a game of matchups and adjustments like that. But what manner of player do you invest in if you start facing these 6'6" 265-lb gazelles on a regular basis?

I'm going to guess that a strong 4-man pass rush will help and then some lighter speed LB's.

[BillJasper]

Every time I see Gronkowski making that standard 14 yard play against totally overmatched safeties or linebackers, I wonder "how does anyone ever stop this team?" (admittedly, I feel the same thing for Jimmy Graham and a couple other guys to a lesser extent)

I love how football is a game of matchups and adjustments like that. But what manner of player do you invest in if you start facing these 6'6" 265-lb gazelles on a regular basis?

I think you'd have to start lining up guys to play underneath coverages and making them beat you deep. As far as player type... I have no idea.

[Dutch]

I think those guys can beat you deep...which is part of the problem they present.

[Dutch]

What kind of endzone/sideline close up cam hides the feet from view!?!?

[BillJasper]

I think those guys can beat you deep...which is part of the problem they present.

Well yeah. But forcing them to go deep is a lower percentage play than letting him run 10-14 yards and turn around for an easy catch.

Nice play call by the Ravens.

[BillJasper]

What kind of endzone/sideline close up cam hides the feet from view!?!?

Out at the four.

[Dutch]

Out at the four.

Give or take four. :)

[BillJasper]

Give or take four. :)

:lol:

[BillJasper]

Ravens ball.

[BillJasper]

Have to give credit, after a shaky start Flacco has come to play.

[larrymcg421]

Hi, I'm a member of the Patriots secondary. I'm not very good.

[BillJasper]

Really can't stomach the thought of a Harbaugh bowl. I'll have to stay away from football for the next two weeks.

[BillJasper]

Hi, I'm a member of the Patriots secondary. I'm not very good.

Well, that's a given when they have Edelman playing nickel-back.

[Dutch]

...OR...you could just twist their legs up so they can't perform...

[JPhillips]

Ouch.

[QuikSand]

...OR...you could just twist their legs up so they can't perform...

WINNAR

[JPhillips]

Bernard Pollard = Patriots killer

[MIJB#19]

WINNARHah, I was about to post that too.

[BillJasper]

Brady really looks off.

[BillJasper]

He's short.

[Dutch]

Brady takes one for the team. Nice play call.

[kingfc22]

Brady takes one for the team. Nice play call.

Yea. Props to Brady on that play.

[Scoobz0202]

Really can't stomach the thought of a Harbaugh bowl. I'll have to stay away from football for the next two weeks.

I can't stomach a Patriots bowl.

please please harbaugh bowl

[BillJasper]

That sucks for Flacco. Made a terrible throw.

[BillJasper]

I can't stomach a Patriots bowl.

please please harbaugh bowl

I think you misunderstood. Just one of the Harbaughs have to lose. :lol:

[Matthean]

Pats could pretty much put this away if they get a TD out of it.

[JPhillips]

What a pick.

[Dutch]

Clutch.

[Dutch]

Now the old man Ricky Williams needs to step up. Great game.

[tucker rocky]

NE should've ran the ball.

[BillJasper]

NE should've ran the ball.

+1

[Coffee Warlord]

C'mon Pats. I got 2 whole dollars against my boss on this.

[kingfc22]

This has to be a FGA. Right?

[BillJasper]

This has to be a FGA. Right?

You'd think...

[Scoobz0202]

Out of six 50+ attempts Cundiff has only made one this season tho..

[Vince, Pt. II]

Was it just me, or was that draw call on 3rd and 3 completely awful?

[BillJasper]

:lol:

[Dutch]

Uh-oh....Raven's are now in Miracle win scenario...not good.

[Scoobz0202]

Was it just me, or was that draw call on 3rd and 3 completely awful?

Cam Cameron

[kingfc22]

Out of six 50+ attempts Cundiff has only made one this season tho..

But still. If you miss you only give the pats offense 7 yards and by going for it, you're essentially saying your defense will stop them if you don't make it on 4th down. You have to go for the tie IMO there with under 3 minutes left.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Was it just me, or was that draw call on 3rd and 3 completely awful?
It was pretty bad. It almost looked like the offensive line was playing it like a trap to the left, but the run went to the right. That seemed like a strange spot to try a complex running play no matter what. Not exactly the time to get away from a good ol' power running game.

[Dutch]

It was pretty bad. It almost looked like the offensive line was playing it like a trap to the left, but the run went to the right. That seemed like a strange spot to try a complex running play no matter what. Not exactly the time to get away from a good ol' power running game.

Not to mention the pulling guard rocked before hand giving away the play.

[Dutch]

Oh hey, there she is! Ed Reed, ladies and gentleman.

[BillJasper]

I'd have ran it there. Force them to burn a timeout.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Not to mention the pulling guard rocked before hand giving away the play.
Nice catch. I didn't see that.

[Dutch]

Flacco's loving the out of bounds...two in a row that are uncatchable.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Vince Wilfork is abusing Matt Birk. It looks like the Ravens are finally offering Birk some help.

[Glengoyne]

So the biggest surprise of the day for me so far is that lawrence Taylor has a studio gig. Has that been going on all year? I figured that statutory rape would have kept him down longer.

[Dutch]

Wow, nice run after the catch.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Smart play by Boldin. Instead of just stepping out of bounds, he took advantage of all the space in front of him. I've seen too many receivers thinking "just get out of bounds" instead of finishing the play strong.

[BillJasper]

Patriots deserve to lose this for leaving Boldin that wide open.

[kingfc22]

HUGE block downfield.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Lee Evans was invisible all year. I bet he wishes he was invisible right now.

[Dutch]

Evans...not clutch, dude.

[kingfc22]

Catch the damn ball!!!

[Pumpy Tudors]

LOL

[BillJasper]

How do you miss that!

[kingfc22]

Wow.

Evans/Cundiff = anti-clutch

[Abe Sargent]

Huh

[Dutch]

Evans...not clutch, dude.

Ballgame.

[BillJasper]

Great game.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Tim Tebow would've made that field goal.

[tucker rocky]

Cundiff comes through with a timely miss.

[Dutch]

So the Patriots used to win it on clutch FG's....now they make it on other people's anti-clutch FG's.

[Abe Sargent]

Dammit Cundiff, now I have to hear about Brady Brady Brady for the next TWO weeks!!!

[frnk55]

Cripes. Fucking NE. Going to the superbowl for 80th time. Must be great to be a Patriot fan.

[Matthean]

Flacco outplays Brady and the Ravens still lose.

[Glengoyne]

Okay that was more surprising than the whole LT thing.


Maybe they should have had faith in him from fifty yards. He was too depressed by their lack of faith in him.

[Dutch]

So.....who wants to sit in the same row on the plane-ride home with Lee Evans and the kicker!!!

[cuervo72]

Well, one more chance to beat the bad guys, rest of the NFL.

[Matthean]

Fans of the Colts begin praying and fasting right now for a Pats loss in the Super Bowl.

[Buccaneer]

Whew, that was too close. Go Patriots.

[Grover]

Tuned in just in time to see the final Ravens drive after watching a thrilling Flyers/Bruins game.

Let's go Niners.

[Buccaneer]

Fans of the Colts begin praying and fasting right now for a Pats loss in the Super Bowl.

I think fans of the Colts better pray that they can field an NFL team next season.

[Glengoyne]

So.....who wants to sit in the same row on the plane-ride home with Lee Evans and the kicker!!!
I know!
I know!



Ed Reed!

[Galaril]

If that pass in the end zone was Brady to anyone it is would've been called a touchdown period.Just thought it looked like a catch to me. I hate the Ravens but God now we got to put up with hearing how great the Pats dynasty is again ugh. This is almost as grating asTebow love fest.

[Coffee Warlord]

Alright, c'mon Niners. Gimme someone to actually root for in the SB.

[kingfc22]

If that pass in the end zone was Brady to anyone it is would've been called a touchdown period.Just thought it looked like a catch to me.

That was a flat out drop and I was rooting for BAL.

[Buccaneer]

Dammit Cundiff, now I have to hear about Brady Brady Brady for the next TWO weeks!!!

WHich is infinitely better than hearing about Tebow, Ray Rice, Rex Ryan or Manning for the next two weeks. Go Niners.

[Grover]

If that pass in the end zone was Brady to anyone it is would've been called a touchdown period.Just thought it looked like a catch to me. I hate the Ravens but God now we got to put up with hearing how great the Pats dynasty is again ugh. This is almost as grating asTebow love fest.

It looked (to me) like Evans only had one foot down before the ball was knocked out.

[Swaggs]

If that pass in the end zone was Brady to anyone it is would've been called a touchdown period.Just thought it looked like a catch to me. I hate the Ravens but God now we got to put up with hearing how great the Pats dynasty is again ugh. This is almost as grating asTebow love fest.

Yeah, I have no dog in this fight, but I thought he controlled and got two feet down (I know there is probably the "football move" rule that applies).

Surprised they didn't review it, at least.

[Glengoyne]

If that pass in the end zone was Brady to anyone it is would've been called a touchdown period.Just thought it looked like a catch to me. I hate the Ravens but God now we got to put up with hearing how great the Pats dynasty is again ugh. This is almost as grating asTebow love fest.


It used to be a catch, but the NFL has so mucked with the definition that you can't count on a catch being a catch.....especially in the end zone.

[Buccaneer]

I was surprised they didn't review that. They had reviewed far less reviewable plays all season long.

[Dutch]

I know!
I know!



Ed Reed!

haha! No doubt. :)

[sabotai]

(I know there is probably the "football move" rule that applies).

Not in the endzone, but I thought (on the slow motion anyway) that it was clear the ball got stripped right before the second foot came down.

[tucker rocky]

I expect the Ravens messageboard to blowup, after this loss.

Might want to get xtra security for Cundiff.

[Dutch]

It used to be a catch, but the NFL has so mucked with the definition that you can't count on a catch being a catch.....especially in the end zone.

I don't think that's a catch anymore with the "football move" shenanigans.

[Buccaneer]

What is the "football move"?

[Dutch]

What is the "football move"?

A receiver cannot fumble the ball unless they...

1. Make the catch and control the ball
2. Have two feet down
3. And then perform at least one "Football move" such as another step or reflex or something like that...actually, I have no idea how to explain it.

These rules also explain a completed catch as well, I believe.

[Buccaneer]

A receiver cannot fumble the ball unless they...

1. Make the catch and control the ball
2. Have two feet down
3. And then perform at least one "Football move" such as another step or reflex or something like that...actually, I have no idea how to explain it.

These rules also explain a completed catch as well, I believe.

But if a runner breaks the plane of the end zone than get the ball slapped away, that's still a TD, right?

[MizzouRah]

Oh great another super bowl with Bill Cheatachick.. I'll pass.

Should have went run on the 3rd and 1, got the first down and then threw for the TD.

[ColtCrazy]

Dammit Cundiff, now I have to hear about Brady Brady Brady for the next TWO weeks!!!

This. I absolutely hate this team, the coach, and the QB. Now I have to put up with their hype, their "genius" and their damn fans around Indy for the next 2 weeks. This season has sucked from beginning to end. DAMN YOU BALTIMORE! Specifically, damn you Cundiff and Evans.

[Buccaneer]

Oh great another super bowl with Bill Cheatachick.. I'll pass.

Should have went run on the 3rd and 1, got the first down and then threw for the TD.

In the 6 seasons prior to this, we've had the f'n Steelers and the Colts in the SB twice and the Pats only once. Thankfully we hadn't had the Jets.

[ColtCrazy]

Add me to the 49ers side. If I have no team left, might as well root for the coach that was a former Colt. Plus, I think they have a real shot at beating the Pats, which is extremely important to me now.

Damn this, another Super Bowl I will try to avoid watching so it doesn't tick me off. It's probably not healthy to hate a team this much. UGH.

[kingfc22]

Let's go Niners!!!! :popcorn:

[EagleFan]

WTF is the deal with the anthem singers today?

[ColtCrazy]

Is it just me, or does Jim have that "look" that John never seems to have? Just me...I like Jim Harbaugh's energy.

[tucker rocky]

National Anthem if SF tops the one put on in NE. :)

[Grover]

WTF is the deal with the anthem singers today?

I'm not the only one who thought that was terrible then?

[Matthean]

I hate the Ravens but God now we got to put up with hearing how great the Pats dynasty is again ugh.

I think this is a last hurrah for the said dynasty. I figured they had one more in them but things would have to break right for them to get it. Bye week, Denver, and Balt. is about as easy as a path as you will find.

[Buccaneer]

Add me to the 49ers side. If I have no team left, might as well root for the coach that was a former Colt. Plus, I think they have a real shot at beating the Pats, which is extremely important to me now.

Damn this, another Super Bowl I will try to avoid watching so it doesn't tick me off. It's probably not healthy to hate a team this much. UGH.

Yeah, seriously, it's not healthy and puzzling too since there's not that much difference between any teams (lots of good guys, lots of bad guys) because it's still the NFL. I can hate on the Steelers, Jets and Eagles but it's all for fun. Would you understand that someone can seriously, personally and emotionally hate your Colts and how silly that sounds?

[Matthean]

If it's Pats versus 49ers, it's two former Michigan QBs facing off against each other. One a QB, one a coach.

[ColtCrazy]

Yeah, I don't see another dynasty talk about the Pats. Brady's nearing the tail end of his career. This isn't a great defense. Plus, the AFC is the weaker of the two conferences. NFC is much tougher now. That said, the Pats could be prime again next year because which team will make the moves to push them over the top? The AFC contenders are all seriously flawed.

[Buccaneer]

I think this is a last hurrah for the said dynasty. I figured they had one more in them but things would have to break right for them to get it. Bye week, Denver, and Balt. is about as easy as a path as you will find.

Balt. was easy?!? As compared to the Texans or Bengals?? Besides, ask the Steelers how easy Denver was.

[DaddyTorgo]

Wow - too close for comfort.

True story...after the last completion I said "well let's just hold them for OT hopefully."

Then as Cundiff lines up to kick I'm like (literally right as it's snapped): "Wait guys...what if he misses it??"

Happy there's one more game to the season. Especially after Brady played the way he did (in his own words: "Like crap."). Gotta have faith that he'll bounce back in 2 weeks.

Was good to see everybody made it thru the game healthy (assuming Gronk is, since he was back in the game after his ankle was rolled).

[DaddyTorgo]

So.....who wants to sit in the same row on the plane-ride home with Lee Evans and the kicker!!!

Evans had it stripped out. Should he have held it better...yeah. But hardly "his fault" IMO.

[DaddyTorgo]

If that pass in the end zone was Brady to anyone it is would've been called a touchdown period.Just thought it looked like a catch to me. I hate the Ravens but God now we got to put up with hearing how great the Pats dynasty is again ugh. This is almost as grating asTebow love fest.

You're delusional. It was in no way a catch. Stripped out by the DB perfectly.

[Matthean]

Yeah, I don't see another dynasty talk about the Pats. Brady's nearing the tail end of his career. This isn't a great defense. Plus, the AFC is the weaker of the two conferences. NFC is much tougher now. That said, the Pats could be prime again next year because which team will make the moves to push them over the top? The AFC contenders are all seriously flawed.

A healthy Steelers team is always in play. The Texans might continue to build on what they have. Baltimore maybe playing at home this time, and let's be honest, they aren't in the Super Bowl partly due to missing a chip shot of a FG. Those are the only ones I really see happening.

[AlexB]

I was surprised they didn't review that. They had reviewed far less reviewable plays all season long.

Me too, but I did think the onfield call was right: the ball was coming out just before the second foot came down for me.

[ColtCrazy]

Yeah, seriously, it's not healthy and puzzling too since there's not that much difference between any teams (lots of good guys, lots of bad guys) because it's still the NFL. I can hate on the Steelers, Jets and Eagles but it's all for fun. Would you understand that someone can seriously, personally and emotionally hate your Colts and how silly that sounds?

Don't know. Bill Simmons had an entire column devoted once to his hatred of the Colts. And it is odd considering I actually rooted for the Pats in the Super Bowl against the Rams.

I know, I know. In the end, it's just a game. I do respect Brady quite a bit. Perhaps I just hate the constant media bashing against Manning and propping of Brady. I'll get over it. Just ticked.

Although, I'll join you on that Steeler hate too! :)

[molson]

Cripes. Fucking NE. Going to the superbowl for 80th time. Must be great to be a Patriot fan.

It is

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, seriously, it's not healthy and puzzling too since there's not that much difference between any teams (lots of good guys, lots of bad guys) because it's still the NFL. I can hate on the Steelers, Jets and Eagles but it's all for fun. Would you understand that someone can seriously, personally and emotionally hate your Colts and how silly that sounds?

Seriously. We all know I'm a Pats fan, but I don't HATE the Colts or anything.

It's just a game dude.

[Dutch]

WTF is the deal with the anthem singers today?

Who was singing the national anthem before the Ravens/Pats game? Was that Steven Tyler or the Geico Neanderthal?

[molson]

Oh great another super bowl with Bill Cheatachick.. I'll pass.


We won't miss you.

[DaddyTorgo]

Who was singing the national anthem before the Ravens/Pats game? Was that Steven Tyler or the Geico Neanderthal?

LMAO


Yeah - he was fucking brutal.

[AlexB]

But if a runner breaks the plane of the end zone than get the ball slapped away, that's still a TD, right?

Yes, but breaking the plane with the ball under control would qualify as a football move I guess ;)

[Matthean]

I don't know how you bash Manning. The difference between him and Brady is Brady landed in the better organization.

[ColtCrazy]

A healthy Steelers team is always in play. The Texans might continue to build on what they have. Baltimore maybe playing at home this time, and let's be honest, they aren't in the Super Bowl partly due to missing a chip shot of a FG. Those are the only ones I really see happening.

Steelers needs an injection of youth. The Texans are a possibility. A healthy Schaub, and that Ravens games goes the other way. They have the team that has the proper balance to beat the Pats...good offense and defense. So do the Steelers if healthy. They just weren't.

Pats have a HUGE advantage at home and that's in part because their division isn't that great. Pitt and Baltimore have to contend with each other. The Jets, for all their yapping, haven't lived up to that great rival to challenge New England supremacy. Won't happen with Sanchez either...unless you can believe rumors coming from Indy media that if Manning is gone, the leading candidate would be the Jets. That would be interesting. Could I force myself to buy a Manning Jets jersey?

[Pumpy Tudors]

If a runner breaks the plane of the goal line, he already has possession and he is already a runner. It is an absolutely, completely, utterly different scenario than a player trying to establish possession in the end zone.

[molson]

You're delusional. It was in no way a catch. Stripped out by the DB perfectly.

It was a fantastic play.

[molson]

If a runner breaks the plane of the goal line, he already has possession and he is already a runner. It is an absolutely, completely, utterly different scenario than a player trying to establish possession in the end zone.

Pumpy knows stuff.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I still hate every Giants play that doesn't end in a Victor Cruz touchdown. I haven't seen the salsa dance in weeks. I'm pissed.

[cuervo72]

In the 6 seasons prior to this, we've had the f'n Steelers and the Colts in the SB twice and the Pats only once. Thankfully we hadn't had the Jets.

Even with that, seeing the Pats make the Super Bowl is like seeing Ben or Quik make bowls in MP FOF. It's a case of "gee, I'm SO glad we had another season of this."

And that's BEFORE factoring Boston into the equation.

[Galaril]

You're delusional. It was in no way a catch. Stripped out by the DB perfectly.

Sorry DT but he had two feet down that is a TD and then the DB poked it out. But hell who cares you guys are going to the Sb again enjoy. My Titans were out of it by Thanksgiving.;)

[DaddyTorgo]

I don't know how you bash Manning. The difference between him and Brady is Brady landed in the better organization.

Which Manning are you talking about? Tell me you're not talking about Eli.

[Buccaneer]

The Jets, for all their yapping, haven't lived up to that great rival to challenge New England supremacy

They did last season. :(

[DaddyTorgo]

Sorry DT but he had two feet down that is a TD and then the DB poked it out. But hell who cares you guys are going to the Sb again enjoy. My Titans were out of it by Thanksgiving.;)

He did not have two feet down and the catch completed obviously.

[molson]

It's been a tad more than 10 years since that snow game at Foxboro that really started it all and it's been incredible. Growing up rooting hard for the joke of an organization that was the Patriots, I just never expected this. Sure, sports doesn't mean as much to me as it did ten years ago, but this one today, I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Kind of a throwback sports fandom kind of day, complete with the message board whining to make it complete!

[ColtCrazy]

I don't know how you bash Manning. The difference between him and Brady is Brady landed in the better organization.

I think Brady is a great QB, don't get me wrong. But he did land in the perfect situation. Belichick, regardless of what I think of him, can coach. If Brady has an asterisk, and it's a small one, but it's the 2008 season when Belichick still got them to 11-5. The Colts organization just couldn't do the same thing (though I don't think Dungy would have waited so long to yank Painter).

Manning may have his random days of suckitude, but you can't blame the Giants up and down year on him. Lack of running game and injuries on D forced him to do a lot more than he wanted at times.

[Vince, Pt. II]

49ers really need to get a pass rush going.

[Matthean]

Won't happen with Sanchez either...unless you can believe rumors coming from Indy media that if Manning is gone, the leading candidate would be the Jets. That would be interesting. Could I force myself to buy a Manning Jets jersey?

I hope the football Gods are smart enough to not let Manning go there. I also have a bad feeling about him playing again.

[molson]

Even with that, seeing the Pats make the Super Bowl is like seeing Ben or Quik make bowls in MP FOF. It's a case of "gee, I'm SO glad we had another season of this."

And that's BEFORE factoring Boston into the equation.

It does make it more enjoyable how annoying it is for others.

[Vince, Pt. II]

That's more like it!

[ColtCrazy]

They did last season. :(


True, though that game was one of the most oddly coached games I've ever seen Belichick do. In the end though, the Pats still get the last laugh. The Jets never did make the Super Bowl Ryan coveted. The Pats just did.

[MJ4H]

Sorry DT but he had two feet down that is a TD and then the DB poked it out. But hell who cares you guys are going to the Sb again enjoy. My Titans were out of it by Thanksgiving.;)

Merely having the ball and two feet down does not establish possession instantly.

[Galaril]

He did not have two feet down and the catch completed obviously.

I would go back and check if I cared enough but from the three replays it looked completely like his second foot was around.

[DaddyTorgo]

I would go back and check if I cared enough but from the three replays it looked completely like his second foot was around.

I trust the officials on this one.

[Galaril]

Merely having the ball and two feet down does not establish possession instantly.

Yes that would make too much sense.

[ColtCrazy]

It's been a tad more than 10 years since that snow game at Foxboro that really started it all and it's been incredible. Growing up rooting hard for the joke of an organization that was the Patriots, I just never expected this. Sure, sports doesn't mean as much to me as it did ten years ago, but this one today, I enjoyed it a lot more than I thought I would. Kind of a throwback sports fandom kind of day, complete with the message board whining to make it complete!

I remember the good old days when the Pats stunk. I remember their 1-15 season. Their one win? The Colts. See, it's not Manning..we could never be the Pats!!! :banghead: Although I will see in the 80s I was a huge fan of Andre Tippet. Loved him. For a team I've hated so long, I know way too much about them! haha

[Buccaneer]

Even with that, seeing the Pats make the Super Bowl is like seeing Ben or Quik make bowls in MP FOF. It's a case of "gee, I'm SO glad we had another season of this."

And that's BEFORE factoring Boston into the equation.

That's funny but give credit to where it's due (to Ben, Quik or the Brady/Pats organization).

What I am most impressed about with the Pats was how they brought the TE duo into critical playmaking. I remember Kellen Winslow and the Bolts and to have two of them, along with a deep threat (and an unflappable QB than can consistently deliver), is impressive to me.

[Galaril]

I trust the officials on this one.

Why not you guys have been for the last decade

[kingfc22]

That's more like it!

Finally a pass rush on 3rd down!

[Matthean]

Don't know. Bill Simmons had an entire column devoted once to his hatred of the Colts. And it is odd considering I actually rooted for the Pats in the Super Bowl against the Rams.

I know, I know. In the end, it's just a game. I do respect Brady quite a bit. Perhaps I just hate the constant media bashing against Manning and propping of Brady. I'll get over it. Just ticked.

Although, I'll join you on that Steeler hate too! :)

Which Manning are you talking about? Tell me you're not talking about Eli.

I think Brady is a great QB, don't get me wrong. But he did land in the perfect situation. Belichick, regardless of what I think of him, can coach. If Brady has an asterisk, and it's a small one, but it's the 2008 season when Belichick still got them to 11-5. The Colts organization just couldn't do the same thing (though I don't think Dungy would have waited so long to yank Painter).

Manning may have his random days of suckitude, but you can't blame the Giants up and down year on him. Lack of running game and injuries on D forced him to do a lot more than he wanted at times.

I assumed ColtCrazy was talking about the bashing of Peyton and hence why I said Brady landed in the better organization. If we are talking Eli, then nevermind.

[Grover]

Apparently the Giants did not watch film of the Saints/9ers game.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Did that 49ers touchdown happen in slow motion or something? Vernon Davis looked like he was jogging, and two Giants defensive backs couldn't catch him?

[ColtCrazy]

Wow....the 49ers have their on Gronk. Wow.

[Vince, Pt. II]

That is a super lame unsportsmanlike penalty. I'm pretty ok with it though :)

[DaddyTorgo]

Why not you guys have been for the last decade

LMAO

Oh give me a break.

[kingfc22]

Alex dropped that one in perfectly.

Vernon - dumb penalty in too important of a game, but damn thanks for showing up the past two weeks.

[Dutch]

Standing on the camera stand is a 15-yard penalty? When will players learn to just turn around and walk sheepishly back to the sideline.

[chinaski]

I dont get the NFL. Players jump into the stands after a score all the time, but Vernon Davis steps up on a TV camera stand and he gets flagged?

[Lathum]

looked out of bounds to me but I'm biased

[Pumpy Tudors]

I love Ed Hochuli and his explanations most of the time, but he could've just said "the ruling stands." Then again, given how many fans claim to know the rules and really don't, I guess it's not bad for him to provide a service that most referees won't.

[Dutch]

I dont get the NFL. Players jump into the stands after a score all the time, but Vernon Davis steps up on a TV camera stand and he gets flagged?

Good point.

[MJ4H]

hahaha at the explanation on the review.

[panerd]

hahaha at the explanation on the review.

Yeah it sounded like he meant "We are pretty sure he went out but there is no camera angle to justify it"

[terpkristin]

Well, I'm glad the Pats won, but wow was that closer than I'd have liked.

As for the NFC game...it's hard to pick against the Giants with the way they've been rolling lately, but I would like to see the 49ers win....if for no other reason to avoid a repeat of SB42.

/tk

[molson]

Why not you guys have been for the last decade

Haha. It's like old times!!! The Pats are BACK in the super bowl and the whiny bitches are back out too!!!

Edit: So uh, ya, I'd love to see them take another shot at the Giants in the Super Bowl, but I think I'd rather see Alex Smith....Either way, it's fun to have the bowl spot wrapped up and watch game 2.

[MJ4H]

Yes that would make too much sense.

I don't agree. what if that instant was the only thousandth of a second that the ball was in his bands and it passed through? You have to have some sort of criteria for maintaining the possession of the ball after it hits the hands to count as a catch. The football move business is an attempt to do that. I hate the wording of the rule and the associated subjectivity, but I'm honestly not sure what would be better.

[Pumpy Tudors]

Jumping into the stands was grandfathered in as an allowable celebration. That is specifically allowed by the NFL. Jumping onto a camera stand, however, is not. The stand was used as a prop.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I swear I typed that before I heard Joe Buck explain exactly what I just said.

[chinaski]

Jumping into the stands was grandfathered in as an allowable celebration. That is specifically allowed by the NFL. Jumping onto a camera stand, however, is not. The stand was used as a prop.

Ah gotcha, that makes sense.

[cuervo72]

That's funny but give credit to where it's due (to Ben, Quik or the Brady/Pats organization).

They all deserve credit and I can respect the accomplishments. That doesn't make them any more interesting.


It does make it more enjoyable how annoying it is for others.

Which is why I view NE/BOS or the NYY differently from IND or PIT (Cards? Braves?). I don't get that folks from Pittsburgh or Indy particularly relish rubbing it in.

[ColtCrazy]

I assumed ColtCrazy was talking about the bashing of Peyton and hence why I said Brady landed in the better organization. If we are talking Eli, then nevermind.

Yeah, I'm talking about Peyton. Can't complain about Eli's situation. There's a reason the Polians were ousted after one bad season. It had been a long time coming. Some great picks over the years, but far too many bad ones. Our over reliance on UFAs caught up to them once Manning went down. I guess I just get annoyed when media tries to play up that Brady is significantly better than Manning. I understand there's a personal preference, and I think regardless they have both been great QBs. Maybe I like to play the what if card of what if Manning had better defenses through the years, better rushing attacks after James left, and in some cases, better coaching. It'll just be the GOAT talk that will get to me. I just don't agree with it (and no, I don't think Manning is either).

As for Manning, if he goes, I will always appreciate what he did for football in Indy in general. Before Brady, the Pats at least had some success. The Indy version of the Colts were horrible, save for Captain Comeback's one great year. Without Manning there is no Lucas Oil Stadium and perhaps, no Colts in Indy at all. I'll take the one Super Bowl win and the memories of a second trip. I just hope that my last image of him isn't him throwing his hands up in disgust as Caldwell calls that TO against the Jets. Sadly, I think we have.

[Dutch]

Jumping into the stands was grandfathered in as an allowable celebration. That is specifically allowed by the NFL. Jumping onto a camera stand, however, is not. The stand was used as a prop.

STILL LAME DISLIKE!!!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Fun fact: Only one player is allowed to leap into the stands after a touchdown. If two players leap into the stands to celebrate the same touchdown, it's a penalty.

[molson]

Which is why I view NE/BOS or the NYY differently from IND or PIT (Cards? Braves?). I don't get that folks from Pittsburgh or Indy particularly relish rubbing it in.

I don't relish in rubbing it in at all, I've been to may Boston sporting events at road sites and have met a lot of great fans from other teams - but when people come after you and say the refs gave you the game, or the refs gave you the entire dynasty, I think a different reaction is appropriate. Back in the day, I used to get defensive, then I used to just apologize, now, it's all just funny. If I had been lucky enough to be at the game today, I'd probably end up having beers with Ravens fans talking about the game. But when it's an asshole that comes at you - how are you supposed to respond? You tell me and I'll do it.

[Dutch]

Fun fact: Only one player is allowed to leap into the stands after a touchdown. If two players leap into the stands to celebrate the same touchdown, it's a penalty.

Fun Fact #2: Less people have died standing on camera stands than in World Wars I and II, combined!

[Pumpy Tudors]

Fun Fact #2: Less people have died standing on camera stands than in World Wars I and II, combined!
But imagine if Vernon Davis had fallen off! He might become even slower and then those snails in the New York secondary might be able to catch him!

[kingfc22]

You don't run on this D!

[cuervo72]

I don't relish in rubbing it in at all, I've been to may Boston sporting events at road sites and have met a lot of great fans from other teams - but when people come after you and say the refs gave you the game, or the refs gave you the entire dynasty, I think a different reaction is appropriate. Back in the day, I used to get defensive, then I used to just apologize, now, it's all just funny. If I had been lucky enough to be at the game today, I'd probably end up having beers with Ravens fans talking about the game. But when it's an asshole that comes at you - how are you supposed to respond? You tell me and I'll do it.

I guess I don't know. I've not totally figured out how to respond to folks hating my own teams or fan bases (like, what is even behind Bucc's hatred of the Eagles or Phillies? They've traditionally never won anything.)

[Pumpy Tudors]

I guess I don't know. I've not totally figured out how to respond to folks hating my own teams or fan bases (like, what is even behind Bucc's hatred of the Eagles or Phillies? They've traditionally never won anything.)
I don't really know what to suggest, but I just tell them to go jump off a bridge into lake fuck, and they generally leave me alone after that.

[ColtCrazy]

I guess I don't know. I've not totally figured out how to respond to folks hating my own teams or fan bases (like, what is even behind Bucc's hatred of the Eagles or Phillies? They've traditionally never won anything.)

Yeah. I may hate the Pats, but I know better than to sit and verbally insult people about it. Everyone has their favorites and their dislikes. But people that are just stupidly vocal about it irritate me. I remember apologizing to some fans at the Colts game sitting next to me once because the drunks in front of us just wouldn't shut up.


HUGE break for the Niners there.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, I'm talking about Peyton. Can't complain about Eli's situation. There's a reason the Polians were ousted after one bad season. It had been a long time coming. Some great picks over the years, but far too many bad ones. Our over reliance on UFAs caught up to them once Manning went down. I guess I just get annoyed when media tries to play up that Brady is significantly better than Manning. I understand there's a personal preference, and I think regardless they have both been great QBs. Maybe I like to play the what if card of what if Manning had better defenses through the years, better rushing attacks after James left, and in some cases, better coaching. It'll just be the GOAT talk that will get to me. I just don't agree with it (and no, I don't think Manning is either).

As for Manning, if he goes, I will always appreciate what he did for football in Indy in general. Before Brady, the Pats at least had some success. The Indy version of the Colts were horrible, save for Captain Comeback's one great year. Without Manning there is no Lucas Oil Stadium and perhaps, no Colts in Indy at all. I'll take the one Super Bowl win and the memories of a second trip. I just hope that my last image of him isn't him throwing his hands up in disgust as Caldwell calls that TO against the Jets. Sadly, I think we have.

FWIW - Any Pats fan that I can think of respects...no...fears Peyton. Dude is absolutely nails. They got in his head there for a while...yeah...but he's scary.

I don't know any actual football fans (as you said, aside from the media who are constantly trying to manufacture stories/controversy to keep their jobs) who argue that Brady is significantly better than Peyton.

[DaddyTorgo]

It still pisses me off that the Lambeau Leap was grandfathered in. Like...why should the Packers get special treatment? Every team should have 1 grandfathered in celebration. Make it fair. Otherwise it's fucking bullshit.

[ColtCrazy]

FWIW - Any Pats fan that I can think of respects...no...fears Peyton. Dude is absolutely nails. They got in his head there for a while...yeah...but he's scary.

I don't know any actual football fans (as you said, aside from the media who are constantly trying to manufacture stories/controversy to keep their jobs) who argue that Brady is significantly better than Peyton.


Excellent point. True Colts fans say the same about Brady. The guy just scares you. Only Brees commands that type of respect from our fan base. And I'll never forget a conversation I had with fellow Colts fans in 2008. We actually missed Brady. No of us were happy when he got hurt that year, even if we don't like them.

Yeah, it's the media that ticks me off. Call me a Midwest homer something the media can never be called.

[Buccaneer]

cuervo, for me, it usually comes down to a player (or two) and/or a coach or owner and thus, not a long term thing.

[EagleFan]

If a runner breaks the plane of the goal line, he already has possession and he is already a runner. It is an absolutely, completely, utterly different scenario than a player trying to establish possession in the end zone.

+111111111111111111


I agree with the Steelers fan.... :devil: ;)

[Pumpy Tudors]

It still pisses me off that the Lambeau Leap was grandfathered in. Like...why should the Packers get special treatment? Every team should have 1 grandfathered in celebration. Make it fair. Otherwise it's fucking bullshit.
Well, it's not like only the Packers are allowed to do it. Any team can. Dunking the ball over the goalpost was grandfathered in, too.

I do, however, think that they should have grandfathered in the Cleveland Browns celebration of dropping to the ground and crying in disbelief that they actually reached the end zone for a change. Sadly, going to the ground in the end zone to celebrate is a penalty. :(

[ColtCrazy]

This Niner D is fast. Faster than the Ravens I think. Eli looks poised though.

[Pumpy Tudors]

+111111111111111111


I agree with the Steelers fan.... :devil: ;)
LOL

[DaddyTorgo]

Excellent point. True Colts fans say the same about Brady. The guy just scares you. Only Brees commands that type of respect from our fan base. And I'll never forget a conversation I had with fellow Colts fans in 2008. We actually missed Brady. No of us were happy when he got hurt that year, even if we don't like them.

Yeah, it's the media that ticks me off. Call me a Midwest homer something the media can never be called.

Same with me and Manning this year. It just doesn't feel...right without him out there on the other side of the field. Like it's a hollow win, ya know?

I try to just ignore all the media bullshit...it's so fucking contrived all the time...I just roll my eyes at the shit they say.

[ColtCrazy]

cuervo, for me, it usually comes down to a player (or two) and/or a coach or owner and thus, not a long term thing.

I'd agree with this. That goes with likes and dislikes. Liked the Dolphins when Marino was there, couldn't care less about them now. Huge Fouts fan growing up, can't stand Rivers. Heck, I liked Steve Grogan, not a fan of Brady. Some teams are universal. Never liked the Steelers, always kind of liked the Bengals.


CRUUUUUUUUUZZZZZZZ. Another example. He saved my fantasy season, so I'm a fan of his!

[Buccaneer]

I'm glad to have witnessed some of the great QBs in the 70s; Montana/Marino/Elway in the 80s-90s; and Brady/Peyton/Brees in the 00s.

[Matthean]

This Niner D is fast. Faster than the Ravens I think. Eli looks poised though.

The difference is you can throw on the 49ers.

[ColtCrazy]

I'm glad to have witnessed some of the great QBs in the 70s; Montana/Marino/Elway in the 80s-90s; and Brady/Peyton/Brees in the 00s.

I agree. Glad my dad took me to games in that era and I got to see Montana, Marino, and Elway play. Montana was the most impressive, and Marino was the one you just didn't know what was going to happen.

[ColtCrazy]

The difference is you can throw on the 49ers.

Hmmm. So I want the Giants to win then, huh? :)

[kingfc22]

Eli has been money on 3rd down. Niners need Aldon and Justin to get more pressure.

[Pumpy Tudors]

PLEASE CRUZ SALSA DANCE PLEASE

[molson]

I guess I don't know. I've not totally figured out how to respond to folks hating my own teams or fan bases (like, what is even behind Bucc's hatred of the Eagles or Phillies? They've traditionally never won anything.)

I hear ya, it's tricky how to deal with that, and I know I haven't always responded the perfect way, but I still think the #1 douchebag move in sports fandom is immediately trying to take a fan down after their team wins a big game. That is rampant on FOFC, it does remind me of old times when the Pats were winning, and there was a few prime examples of it here (not from you). When I'm at a party and I meet a Yankee fan, or a Colts fan, it's always a great time, there's good back-and-forth (I confess my fears of Manning, and Jeter, or whoever), I just don't care for it when it gets all mean-spirited like it can here and people are immediately trying to bring you down.

[Pumpy Tudors]

I HATE THE NEW YORK GIANTS FOR NOT HAVING VICTOR CRUZ CATCH A TOUCHDOWN PASS JUST NOW

[Buccaneer]

I find it amusing the media talking about Brady's terrible day when he went 22 of 36 for 239 yards and with 2 INTs. I think it's a nod to Tom's greatness when that would be terrible in the days of 6 for 21, 121 yds QBs.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Wow. Giants player rips off Anthony Davis's helmet and the Niners get the only penalty? Come on now.

[BillJasper]

Vernon Davis. Insanely talented, dumb as shit.

[MJ4H]

Brady himself said he "really sucked" today on the field in an interview that the entire stadium could hear. The crowd chuckled. I don't know if he did that badly, but he at least thought so.

[MizzouRah]

In the 6 seasons prior to this, we've had the f'n Steelers and the Colts in the SB twice and the Pats only once. Thankfully we hadn't had the Jets.

Yeah, I was really hoping to see the Ravens make it this year... and I agree with the Jets not making it.. thank goodness for that!

[Buccaneer]

Brady himself said he "really sucked" today on the field in an interview that the entire stadium could hear. The crowd chuckled. I don't know if he did that badly, but he at least thought so.

Very high standards.

[MJ4H]

Very high standards.

Yep, I agree with you on that.

[DaddyTorgo]

Brady himself said he "really sucked" today on the field in an interview that the entire stadium could hear. The crowd chuckled. I don't know if he did that badly, but he at least thought so.

His two INT's were bad. The first one he shouldn't have thrown against that secondary...and the second was just utterly stupid.

Other than that I thought he was fine frankly. 22/36 isn't steller, but it's not "sucky."

I also think he's pissed they had to settle for all those FGs and didn't punch it in more often on some of those.

[Glengoyne]

Vernon Davis. Insanely talented, dumb as shit.

I'm a Vernon Davis fan, but that was WAY out of line.


Also a dead ball penalty AFTER a first down. Did that used to be first and twenty five, or was that college ball?

[BillJasper]

Niners planning on covering Victor Cruz at some point?

[RedKingGold]

You might want to put Carlos Rogers on someone else, Cruz is introducing him to the gimp.

[Matthean]

The difference is you can throw on the 49ers.

Niners planning on covering Victor Cruz at some point?

.

[Grover]

A bit off topic, but this is where the action is at the moment...

"Per NewsChannel 8 in Oregon, Chip Kelly will be Buccaneers' next head coach "if he can come to terms on a contract."

[BillJasper]

A bit off topic, but this is where the action is at the moment...

"Per NewsChannel 8 in Oregon, Chip Kelly will be Buccaneers' next head coach "if he can come to terms on a contract."

Interesting hire if true...

[stevew]

How wasn't that helmet to helmet on defenseless Bradshaw called?

[k0ruptr]

Niners need to get some pressure on Eli

[DaddyTorgo]

The Giants uniforms are fucking ugly. I hope the 49ers win just so I don't have to watch the Giants ugly uniforms anymore.

[sabotai]

How wasn't that helmet to helmet on defenseless Bradshaw called?

BECAUSE BRADSHAW DOESN'T PLAY FOR THE PATRIOTS!!!

[BillJasper]

The Giants uniforms are fucking ugly. I hope the 49ers win just so I don't have to watch the Giants ugly uniforms anymore.

That's how I felt about the Ravens uniforms. :lol:

[panerd]

Why do anything to draw attention to yourself after getting a penalty earlier? I guess this is one of those generational things?

[k0ruptr]

Vernon Davis. Playoff MVP if they win this game

[cuervo72]

I don't mind the Giants' unis outside the super-stretchiness of them, which I think would make anything look like crap.

The Ravens...yeah, I'm not fond of those. The purple jerseys I can take, but the all-black pants aren't good (same goes for the Saints when they wear them).