Survivor: One World

[kingfc22]

Umm two words: GO CHELSEA! :D

[wade moore]

Crap - think I missed recording this.

I hate hate HATE how they handle the show title of survivor so that you have to setup a new recording every time.

[molson]

I didn't hear a single thing about this before it aired.

It looks like the full episode is already on CBS.com though.

[B & B]

Was really underwhelmed with the first episode. The fact that one of the more interesting characters is gone hurts too.


Chelsea will be easy to root for, Matt will be easy to root against.


The gay guy is the new Cochran, a pawn.


Meh.

[korme]

In a 6 degrees of seperation kind of way, I know this Matt guy

[EagleFan]

Not impressed with how it started out. The one that is gone may have ended up being my favorite if she stayed. She seemed down to earth and cute as hell.

That gay guy HAS to go. Does he even understand how moronic he sounds? He must be playing it up for air time. So what if you have the idol right now, that saves you for one vote. On the next vote you are gone.

[EagleFan]

dola: If you wrote a script that had a gay guy that acts like he did there would be complaints about stereotyping. I know several men who are gay and not one of them run like that.

[CrimsonFox]

Go Sab!
(I must admit my stomach turned when they described the injury of Courtney) Poor Court. She was kinda cool hippee chick.

[CrimsonFox]

Crap - think I missed recording this.

I hate hate HATE how they handle the show title of survivor so that you have to setup a new recording every time.

So to the cbs/survivor website and watch it there. They all the eps avaialble immediately after the show airs.

Screw the DVR. YOu only have to watch one commercial during commercial breaks. :)

[wade moore]

So to the cbs/survivor website and watch it there. They all the eps avaialble immediately after the show airs.

Screw the DVR. YOu only have to watch one commercial during commercial breaks. :)

I don't want to watch on the web.

I want to watch on my TV without having to hook my laptop into my computer.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't want to watch on the web.

I want to watch on my TV without having to hook my laptop into my computer.

well, it's that or nothing at this point. Unless you have Video On Demand that might have eps available.

And you can always get an HDMI cable to hook your PC to the TV.

[CrimsonFox]

BTW VERY VERY happy that there is NO Redemption Island, NO past contestants, NO ONE from the freakin Hantz family.

I usually am against hidden immunity idols too but that's usually because they make the whole game about idols.

It'll be great to see Coulton actually use one the right way. (If he gets to)
But getting rid of one of the big guys will keep him 3 more days and that could really change things for him. Yeah I know EF you think he's gone the following council. Well maybe not. In 3 days anything can happen. And maybe by that point he'll be able to make an alliance with the older guys and the little guy.

[Maple Leafs]

Colton's only hope is that they mix the tribes up right away. Which, based on what happened with previous seasons, is actually a pretty good bet.

[CrimsonFox]

I was actually both surprised and impressed that Jeff stopped the action in the challenge immediately once he saw Courtney was really hurt. Past seasons seemed to show a more violent trend in challenges with them just letting people get hurt and tough through it, especially in the more obviously dangerous ones.

[kingfc22]

BTW VERY VERY happy that there is NO Redemption Island, NO past contestants.

Totally agree with this.

[CrimsonFox]

Colton's only hope is that they mix the tribes up right away. Which, based on what happened with previous seasons, is actually a pretty good bet.


true. :) But never underestimate the complete joy of taking someone down with you as you go.

you're probably right that he's going to get led to the slaughter quickly especially if any of the commercials are true about his isolating himself from the group, which is why this'll be fun to see him drag Matt with him right before he gets ousted. (Unless they somehow split their votes so much that his vote is cancelled out (which they aren't going to do at this point) or else just a total randomness of the male vote across the board.) It also depends on if he blabs that he has the idol stupidly or if sab blabs. I think Coulton is too smart to do that. Sab however, I would think she is too but it just might come up. Wait no, if she tells anyone, they'll get all pissed at her for not revealing it to the group to let them decide.

[Lathum]

I thought it was an OK opening episode. I too am sad the tattoo girl went home early, I liked her.

I thought it weas really dumb to give the idol to the gay guy when she could have given it to someone who was likely going to be there a while and she could have something to build on come merge time.

[stevew]

Crap - think I missed recording this.

I hate hate HATE how they handle the show title of survivor so that you have to setup a new recording every time.

I think you maybe have a Tivo? If you wishlist search "Survivor" and Category specify "Action Adventure" and Reality, you should pick up Survivor episodes. At least it wouldn't be a bad thing to permanently put on your TiVo for the start of every season.

[EagleFan]

I think Coulton is too smart to do that.

What gives you that idea?

[General Mike]

I don't want to watch on the web.

I want to watch on my TV without having to hook my laptop into my computer.

On Demand? Comcast has it up.

[General Mike]

Colton hate is at an all time high.

[FBPro]

Umm two words: GO CHELSEA! :D

CONCUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EagleFan]

Umm two words: GO CHELSEA! :D

I'll jump on this train.

[Lathum]

Those are some stupid bitches

[law90026]

I'm not even sure what Colton's strategy is. Hope the men win all the challenges to the merge then team up with whoever is left? I get that he doesn't feel comfortable with his tribe but even the idol isn't going to get him very far because the guys will know that he is going to flip to the girls the moment there is a chance.

[CrimsonFox]

Those are some stupid bitches


Yes yes yes! :D

[CrimsonFox]

"Girls don't act like this." --Monica

Where is this planet where girls don't act like this? I want to start looking for apartments there.

[Raiders Army]

I'll jump on this train.

Ditto, although at this point, I'm not sure any of the women will have a chance at making it to the end.

[FBPro]

Ditto, although at this point, I'm not sure any of the women will have a chance at making it to the end.

True, but she is HHHHOOOOTTTT!!!!!

[kingfc22]

I'll jump on her.

Fixed that for ya.

[FBPro]

Well yeah....

[Maple Leafs]

Colton is insufferable. I'm not sure I've ever had a character who approached "I can not watch this season until this person is voted off" status, but I think he's getting there.

[Lathum]

Colton is insufferable. I'm not sure I've ever had a character who approached "I can not watch this season until this person is voted off" status, but I think he's getting there.

I agree.

He tries to spend all his time with the girls, who tell him to basically take a hike, then doesn't get why the guys want nothing to do with him and claims he is being outcast. you did it to yourself you moron. Did you not think the guys wouldn't trust you anymore?

[gstelmack]

Colton is insufferable. I'm not sure I've ever had a character who approached "I can not watch this season until this person is voted off" status, but I think he's getting there.

Coach followed by Russel turned us off to Survivor completely.

[EagleFan]

Coach followed by Russel turned us off to Survivor completely.

Therre seems to be a difference for me. I hated both of the above and wanted them voted out. With them there at least seemed to be some sort of plan behind what they were doing. With Colton it's just flat out annoyance, like nails on a chalkboard, that needs to go before he gets to the point where people want to keep him to bring to the finals with them.

[korme]

Is Survivor not airing this week?

[EagleFan]

Is Survivor not airing this week?

Daytona 500 will still be running.

[FBPro]

Touche'

[CrimsonFox]

Therre seems to be a difference for me. I hated both of the above and wanted them voted out. With them there at least seemed to be some sort of plan behind what they were doing. With Colton it's just flat out annoyance, like nails on a chalkboard, that needs to go before he gets to the point where people want to keep him to bring to the finals with them.

*shrug* Coulton's only problem is that he's a kid. He's just an insecure kid who wants to hang out. That actually describes about 90% of the youngins that have been on that show.

I thought it was very smart that he realized right away that they were going to vote him out so he may as well try and hook up with the girls and it actually worked. He got the idol from them. Then he outstayed his welcome. And this is what ELSE I think the girls did wrong. You have this insecure kid who WANTS to be your friend and tell you everything and you tell him to go away? Shit no! You don't do that . YOu say "Sure Coulton! Stay and be our friend and tell us everything about your tribe and help us beat them". And then they would ahve had some leverage and then get rid of him later. THey had a willing puppet and they just sent it away.

I actually really liked Coulton's conversation with Troyzan and the other 2 (forget who) . He absolutely recognized the right people to tell about the idol. My worry is something will go wrong but I do hope he gets to play his idol. I've never actually seen someone out and out use the idol like this before.

He does need to stop treating this like camp though...and I think he might be waking up in that regard.

[General Mike]

Hate is growing.

[EagleFan]

Glad they dumped that idiot Matt. He thought that the frat boys were going to control the game, I guess he was taught that 4>5. His frat boys didn't even stay with him.

How did they possibly lose that challenge with such a huge lead? The women were lost on that course.

The tribal once again showed that Coulton doesn't have the concept of strategy quite there yet. "My friends at home are all girls"

[CrimsonFox]

Tarzan: Jeff can I ask a question? Who were the last two votes?
Jeff: No...

*LOL* awesome Jeff...awesome

[CrimsonFox]

Incidently, Troyzan is my favorite player of this season. Hope he goes far. I really hope Jonas and Lee go far too.

[CrimsonFox]

Glad they dumped that idiot Matt. He thought that the frat boys were going to control the game, I guess he was taught that 4>5. His frat boys didn't even stay with him.

How did they possibly lose that challenge with such a huge lead? The women were lost on that course.

The tribal once again showed that Coulton doesn't have the concept of strategy quite there yet. "My friends at home are all girls"


yeah that lawyer speak was ridiculous. ugh...so coulton spills the beans about the idol and doesn't play it so now we have to suffer through a lot of "idol" nonsense.They so need to blindside him now. Yeah it's hilarious that Jay voted for Bill. haha

[korme]

I actually liked Matt and thought he was intelligent enough to go far. Much better player than a Tarzan or Colton or Bill...

[Draft Dodger]

Colton is incredibly annoying and totally lucked into the idol, but he made the right moves in setting up the alliance, bringing one of the frat boys on board, and bouncing Matt instead of Bill. Very different than the girls who made a dopey alliance on the walk to camp and stuck with it even though it would have made more sense to bounce Cat and keep the cop.

[EagleFan]

WTF?!?!?!?!

That was insanely stupid!

[General Mike]

What a bunch of dumbasses.

[Galaril]

Stupid asses. Colton wow what a douche bag.

[General Mike]

Stupid asses. Colton wow what a douche bag.
I don't get why they don't just blindside him. It's not like he is a guy who is going to dominate challenges for them.

[FrogMan]

Probst's facial expression was absolutely priceless when the guys showed up at tribal tonight. :D

FM

[Grammaticus]

Ha ha, these guys are a bunch of idiots.

[EagleFan]

I don't get why they don't just blindside him. It's not like he is a guy who is going to dominate challenges for them.

Because it seems like this group is a bunch of idiots. Some players from the past must be laughing their asses off at them.

[Kodos]

Colton really is making this season borderline unwatchable.

[LloydLungs]

This is the first time in 24 seasons it's crossed my mind to stop watching until someone is voted out. Colton is absolutely revolting. I'm only staying in this because I'd miss Cesternino's weekly podcast. But it's tough.

Colton really is making this season borderline unwatchable.

Ahh, you pretty much beat me to it.

[EagleFan]

Colton is a pampered jackass..... "I know black people, my servants" Did we just end up about 150 years in the past?

[LloydLungs]

It seems like a few seasons ago, somebody in casting flipped the switch on casting genuinely malignant assholes versus the roguish jackass fun villain types we used to see (i.e. Boston Rob, Jerri, etc). Russell was just the beginning, they're really stepping it up with this guy. I have no desire to watch an entitled racist prick run the game for no discernible strategic reason every week. Geez.

[Lathum]

My wife put it perfectly, he is disgusting. He also was very crass about leif calling him an oompa-loompa and saying he was going to send him back to Oz. I agree he makes the show almost unwatchable, and he is the kind of guy that is someone called him a fag he would be screaming about discrimination and insensitivity. I hope someone on the street kicks the shit out of him after watching this.

[Suicane75]

The only thing more disgusting than Colton are the people blindly following him.

[larrymcg421]

At first I couldn't believe he trotted out the "I'm not racist because I have black friends" cliche (why do people still not realize how stupid this sounds?), but then to say that the black friend he knows is his family's servant just made my jaw drop.

[CrimsonFox]

And here I thought this season was going to be a clean slate of people just playing the game. Why can't people leave their horrible baggage and personality behind. This is horrible.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm guessing the "surprise" next week is that they will shuffle up the tribes?

[Thomkal]

wow this is the worst group of Survivors ever. Women being blown out at least twice-men completely choking when they had one of the big leads, and now this the single dumbest move in Survivor history-I mean they didn't even vote out the guy they all said (well not Colton) had to go because he was a traitor. Leif (another stupid move to tell Bill about Colton wanting to vote him out) needs to go for broke and try an orchestrate a blindside against Colton or at least get him to play his Idol (which none of them have ever seen) so he doesn't have as much power as he does now. And just don't get me started on Colton's statements at Tribal.

I think the surprise is either the merger or the shuffling up of the tribes.

[Suicane75]

I really hope it's not a merge or a shuffle. I hate when they set the game up one way just to switch it up a few weeks later. The two tribes, one beach thing, is the only saving grace with this hapless cast.

[Maple Leafs]

That tribal council was like something an evil Jeff Probst made in a laboratory out of the pieces of other terrible tribal councils.

- Epically stupid strategic decision? check
- Racism? check
- A cranky old man who wants everyone to stop saying there's such a thing as racism? check
- Colton? check (sorry, he's become a category of his own)
- Entire thing builds up to a suspenesful vote that turns out not to be suspenseful at all? check
- The only character you could vaguely stand being the one who gets sent home? check

Colton is now officially into "hit fast forward on the PVR whenever he's on screen" mode.

[FBPro]

Colton really is making this season borderline unwatchable.

Concur, needs to go NOW!!!!!! Next play hasto be force the idol out.

[Galaril]

I don't get why they don't just blindside him. It's not like he is a guy who is going to dominate challenges for them.

I am never been one to physically threaten someone for being different but this Colton guy I would make an exception and introduce him to a blanket party Full Metal Jacket style.

[SportsDino]

They must have really worked the casting agency hard to find not only the fakest player in history (Colton, everything about him screams fraud) but about 7 bonafide yes men to follow him along.

Is this show running on a script now? This seems like something out of a bad writer's imagination, nothing about it makes the least bit of sense.

[tyketime]

Colton really is making this season borderline unwatchable.
Mrs Tyke threatened to stop watching as well because of him. He is SO unbelievably offensive. I hope as they are playing it back he sees what a complete frickin' ass he is, but I fear his country club posse won't let him forget he is "privileged".

OMG...:mad:

[Maple Leafs]

My only hope for this season with Colton is that he's dominating the airtime right now. In some seasons, being all over every episode for a few weeks means you're about to go home.

Of course, sometimes you also get a Russel situation where it means that you're just going to be the main character for every week of the entire season. God help us.

[LloydLungs]

My only hope for this season with Colton is that he's dominating the airtime right now. In some seasons, being all over every episode for a few weeks means you're about to go home.

Of course, sometimes you also get a Russel situation where it means that you're just going to be the main character for every week of the entire season. God help us.

The editors' attitudes when starting to put this season together could have been amongst these:

(1) This guy is the most horribly nightmarish racist prick that's ever been on the show. We like villains but we way overreached with this idiot. Fortunately he has a glorious, massive come-uppance blindside fairly early on, so let's just get all his shit on the table in the first few episodes to set it up.

(2) This guy is great TV! People will love to hate him! Let's make him this season's star!

(3) This guy wins, so we need to hide his racist prickishness as much as possible so the public doesn't burn CBS down after the finale.

Option 3 is obviously out. I'm just hoping like hell they're not so clueless than it's option 2.

[CrimsonFox]

wow this is the worst group of Survivors ever. Women being blown out at least twice-men completely choking when they had one of the big leads, and now this the single dumbest move in Survivor history-I mean they didn't even vote out the guy they all said (well not Colton) had to go because he was a traitor. Leif (another stupid move to tell Bill about Colton wanting to vote him out) needs to go for broke and try an orchestrate a blindside against Colton or at least get him to play his Idol (which none of them have ever seen) so he doesn't have as much power as he does now. And just don't get me started on Colton's statements at Tribal.

I think the surprise is either the merger or the shuffling up of the tribes.

Actually Leif needs to orchestrate a can of whoopass on that bigot and kick the crap out of him.

[law90026]

It feels like they picked a bunch of guys who have never watched Survivor before and therefore have no idea how to deal with an idol. I mean seriously, Colton has gone from a nobody in the tribe to the queen? It's just odd.

[General Mike]

It's the young and the restless vs the old and the hopeless at this point.

[Draft Dodger]

and yet they STILL are letting that moron be in charge.

[Draft Dodger]

oh, and how can you not be rooting for Tarzan after that last show?

[CrimsonFox]

C'mon! Who wasn't cheering when Mike repeatedly dunked and held Colton underwater several times? :)

[B & B]

Well, how did you feel about the midget tossing?

[Lathum]

Well, how did you feel about the midget tossing?

I don't have a problem with it and I doubt Leif would either. He signed up for the show and knew exactly what he was getting into. One thing I have learned about most people with a disability, if you can even call it that, is they want to be treated like everyone else.

I was actualy mad impressed with how well he did and kept fighting.

[EagleFan]

C'mon! Who wasn't cheering when Mike repeatedly dunked and held Colton underwater several times? :)

That was the best part of the show.

That tribe just got their asses kicked and what do they do, vote out their best player.... Stupid doesn't begin to describe them. If they are going to follow that jackass, they deserve to go down in flames.

I can't wait for the Colton blindside. I think they are setting us up for one; he is becoming more and more the focus of each episode. It may be coming very soon.

Chelsea has not been a primary focus so that it telling me that she goes quite a ways into the season. YAY! ;)

[Kodos]

I don't have a problem with it and I doubt Leif would either. He signed up for the show and knew exactly what he was getting into. One thing I have learned about most people with a disability, if you can even call it that, is they want to be treated like everyone else.

I was actualy mad impressed with how well he did and kept fighting.

Yep. Giving up several feet in height (when you include wingspan), and Leif was still putting up a good fight in the b-ball game.

Oh, and death to Colton!

[FBPro]

I can't wait for the Colton blindside. I think they are setting us up for one; he is becoming more and more the focus of each episode. It may be coming very soon.

Chelsea has not been a primary focus so that it telling me that she goes quite a ways into the season. YAY! ;)

Can't wait for part 1 and more and more of Chelsea is always a good thing.

[CrimsonFox]

I can't wait for the Colton blindside. I think they are setting us up for one; he is becoming more and more the focus of each episode. It may be coming very soon.


I don't see why you think this is coming. Alicia is a total bitch who has a rod stuck up her butt against CHristina when she SHOULD be working WITH her. I totally expected an all out war between ALicia and Coulton. Very surprising that all alicia did was kiss his ass and badmouth everyone else.

Jonas is playing the sandra like game of "as long as it's not me" so I don't expect him to do anything. Lief....jeez. They JUST threatened to vote him off and he's still submissive. He's just scared now and won't seem to do anything. Tarzan is...ugh.

Christina is so fucked. However with Alicia telling COlton how much she hates C, Coulton knows that keeping Christina is better than keeping Alicia alliancewise. It certainly seems like he is content with getting rid of the girls and keeping his alliance especially now that they are following his lead.

Awesome that Kim and Chelsea are an "idol" pair now. Those two are smart! Hope they go far. Really hope that tribe sticks together and forgets the girl vs guys thing.

[EagleFan]

Awesome that Kim and Chelsea are an "idol" pair now. Those two are smart! Hope they go far.

I hope they go all the way... a little girl on girl action there would be a good reward for having to suffer through Colton. ;)

[EagleFan]

Good god, we're not even 5 minutes into this episode and I want to reach through the TV and beat the shit out of Colton. What a pathetic excuse for a person he is.

[FBPro]

Good god, we're not even 5 minutes into this episode and I want to reach through the TV and beat the shit out of Colton. What a pathetic excuse for a person he is.

OMG, roared with laughter at this one....you and me both.

[EagleFan]

Am I evil for smiling now? :)

[Racer]

I think I've felt bad for every other player that has ever left the game due to medical reasons. Is it bad I don't I don't feel bad for Colton?

[FBPro]

You reap what you sew....

[EagleFan]

I think I've felt bad for every other player that has ever left the game due to medical reasons. Is it bad I don't I don't feel bad for Colton?

Karma is a bitch... :D

[General Mike]

Ding Dong

[korme]

Yay.

[Draft Dodger]

I think I've felt bad for every other player that has ever left the game due to medical reasons. Is it bad I don't I don't feel bad for Colton?

I honestly was rooting for him to feel pain and my only regret is that there was no way for him to somehow infect Alicia as well. Those are two pathetic human beings.

[EagleFan]

I honestly was rooting for him to feel pain and my only regret is that there was no way for him to somehow infect Alicia as well. Those are two pathetic human beings.

+1

[Draft Dodger]

in fact, when they flashed her profession tonight as Special Ed Teacher, I was kind of wondering / hoping it might cost her her job. Not nice, I know.

What is it with teachers? Wasn't Naonka (sp?) a teacher too?

[Ajaxab]

If Kat hadn't cemented her status as something of a cement-head already, she didn't do herself any favors tonight.

[EagleFan]

If Kat hadn't cemented her status as something of a cement-head already, she didn't do herself any favors tonight.

It was painful listening to her talk.

"I hope I don't hurt mine."

[Suicane75]

It was painful listening to her talk.

"I hope I don't hurt mine."

Touche.

[Lathum]

in fact, when they flashed her profession tonight as Special Ed Teacher, I was kind of wondering / hoping it might cost her her job. Not nice, I know.

What is it with teachers? Wasn't Naonka (sp?) a teacher too?

I said the same thing to my wife.

If you don't believe their is a higher power out there just watch survivor tonight, Colton got payback from the man upstairs big time.

[heybrad]

This show is just stocked full of morons.

[EagleFan]

Makes it even better that he went out as a total douche.

"You can give the idol to someone."

"I'm going to take it as a souvenier."

[CrimsonFox]

Haven't watched the episode yet but all the constant updates makes me think something cool happened :)

[LloydLungs]

Well, I can't say that was a completely satisfying way for this prick to leave the game (had his appendix burst on camera, different story). Now he'll just brag about how unstoppable he would've been but for misfortune. On the other hand, we don't even have to put up with seeing him roll his eyes on the jury every week, so all in all, I'll take it.

[CrimsonFox]

karmakarmakarmakarmakarma :)

halfway thru I was dreading another Russel-like season. Remember Russell's first season? When the OTHER Russell was evaced. THere was a commercial before the ep about someone leaving and you heard "Russell can you hear me?" I SOOOO hoped Hantz was leaving the game at that point. Not since then have I felt so happy for someone I thought was leaving.

This show is just stocked full of morons.

Tarzan is the poster child for why old people should get voted off first. What was his deal? He was being as nasty as Alicia and Colton. He enjoys people that are horrible?

Makes it even better that he went out as a total douche.

"You can give the idol to someone."

"I'm going to take it as a souvenier."

I loved that. That meant Alicia doesn't get it. She of course immediately turned on him "Spoiled brat". Her and Tarzan are at this point the worst people to have an alliance with.

Really I totally am a big Christina fan now. She fricking saved that kid's life. If he was left in the middle of the woods, he might have died. The cameraman wouldn't have done a thing about it either.

[CrimsonFox]

Yay! Jonas gets balls AND a brain! Pleasepleaseplease Leif! Start thinking for yourself! See that Jonas is a good ally and you should actually stay with him and Christina. Really it is odd what's going to happen now. The alliance of Kim-Alicia-Jay-Troyzan need to find a fifth IMMEDIATELY.

I love it that people are sick of Tarzan's BS. Their original alliance is down to 4 people that can't think for themselves. Jonas-Leif-Tarzan-Troyzan. That's totally weak and I think Troyzan is definitely going to stay with the girls. They MIGHT bring Mike in. They MIGHT bring um...Sabrina or JOnas in. Alicia is going to run back to the girls. I hope Christina spills the beans about her and the ousting of MOnica.

[CleBrownsfan]

Well, I can't say that was a completely satisfying way for this prick to leave the game (had his appendix burst on camera, different story). Now he'll just brag about how unstoppable he would've been but for misfortune. On the other hand, we don't even have to put up with seeing him roll his eyes on the jury every week, so all in all, I'll take it.

This is why I wished he was voted out rather than taking a medical leave...

[Ajaxab]

How do they have a guy with nominal aphasia on the show when one of the most important parts of said show requires putting someone's name on a piece of paper? I'm waiting for the episode when Tarzan goes up and puts 'Victor' or 'Fiona' on his ballot.

[CleBrownsfan]

Funny "in game" editing Survivor did last night. I just re-watched the episode and when Colton was laying on the ground he didn't have the idol around his neck. As the tribe members came to say their goodbyes he still didn't have the idol around his neck. When Probes asked Colton if he had any last words - Colton replied, "Idol is out of play" and the idol was around his neck ;)

[LloydLungs]

Saw a "Secret Scene" from last night's episode wherein Colton and Alicia are privately mocking Christina with "slanty eyes" and laughing.

Colton is like an actual real-life flaming adult version of Cartman.

I hope Survivor casting has figured out that you can push the envelope too far and realize their mistake, but I doubt it.

[Suicane75]

Didn't Jeff say at one point they were gonna get the Idol? Or maybe he just asked about the idol. I dunno. In any event, I'm surprised that when they showed up to tribal and saw the Colton was gone, nobody from the other team asked who beat the crap out of him.

The reason it's hard for me to enjoy this season is not just Colton, but that nobody has stood up to him, and worse, they seem to be making excuses for or following him blindly. They've all seen the way he treats people and not one of those fuckers stood up to him. No matter what happens from this point out, they wont redeem themselves to me.

I guess my rooting interests are down to the asian or the black girl but not so much so that I'm excited to watch or root for them. I kind of wish they would all get appendicitis actually.

And for fans of Survivor who are glad the asshole is gone, enjoy the rest of the season, cause I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts he's back next year in some sort of blank vs blank or specialty game.

[LloydLungs]

The reason it's hard for me to enjoy this season is not just Colton, but that nobody has stood up to him, and worse, they seem to be making excuses for or following him blindly.

Totally agree. At some point, even a million dollar prize isn't worth letting that behavior go on without standing up to it. If it costs you the game, fine. Unacceptable.

And for fans of Survivor who are glad the asshole is gone, enjoy the rest of the season, cause I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts he's back next year in some sort of blank vs blank or specialty game.

It's a stone cold lock. I envision Colton's tearful remorse at the reunion show, which will actually be calculated to ensure casting on a future season for a "redemption arc."

As has been noted several times on Rob Cesternino's podcast, this is exactly the sort of thing Russell needs to make a serious run at it in a future season. A few seasons need to go by, another few notorious assholes pass through the game, and you put the Coltons of the world on a tribe with Russell and suddenly nobody's going to even be paying attention to Russell.

[korme]

So glad they merged. It's going to make this season interesting. Lots of things up in the air, huge crowd of individuals now.

My only fear is Colton comes back on the next Survivor returning players season

[Suicane75]

I doubt he'll even be remorseful, he'll just go on and on about how he would have won. I don't think remorse is in his soul.

[Lathum]

I'm probably in the minority but I don't think they would have Colton back given the backlash about him.

Even is he does come back in a reuinon show I think people who have played before won't put up with him and he would be gone quickly.

[CleBrownsfan]

I'm probably in the minority but I don't think they would have Colton back given the backlash about him.

Even is he does come back in a reuinon show I think people who have played before won't put up with him and he would be gone quickly.

Agreed 100%

[LloydLungs]

I don't think remorse is in his soul.

Oh, it's not. I just think he might fake it, as a strategy for landing his vile racist ass on a future season.

The little troll knows his Survivor, you have to give him that. I think he uses the reunion show strategically. Or maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

[Thomkal]

That was my favorite episode of the season because it got rid of that worm. :) He'll definitely be back at some point because Survivor won't be able to resist it.

[CrimsonFox]

How do they have a guy with nominal aphasia on the show when one of the most important parts of said show requires putting someone's name on a piece of paper? I'm waiting for the episode when Tarzan goes up and puts 'Victor' or 'Fiona' on his ballot.


Francsquesca!

[CrimsonFox]

Funny "in game" editing Survivor did last night. I just re-watched the episode and when Colton was laying on the ground he didn't have the idol around his neck. As the tribe members came to say their goodbyes he still didn't have the idol around his neck. When Probes asked Colton if he had any last words - Colton replied, "Idol is out of play" and the idol was around his neck ;)

Speaking of editing. When Christina was rubbing his temples during his headache/stomache ache, he was giving voxpops in a clean green shirt somewhere in the jugnle and he looked chipper as could be. And again when he was on the ground they intercut with talking heads of him. Makes me think that ALL of those were filmed in LA on a "Jungle" set. And thus makes me wonder if half of the show is actually filmed here and not there. :)


As has been noted several times on Rob Cesternino's podcast, this is exactly the sort of thing Russell needs to make a serious run at it in a future season. A few seasons need to go by, another few notorious assholes pass through the game, and you put the Coltons of the world on a tribe with Russell and suddenly nobody's going to even be paying attention to Russell.

I noticed something on Rob's blog about Kim's alliance. He said it was a 5-way of Kim-Chelsea-Jay-Troyzan, and SABRINA! I don't recall Sab being brought into it. Did I miss something?

So glad they merged. It's going to make this season interesting. Lots of things up in the air, huge crowd of individuals now.

My only fear is Colton comes back on the next Survivor returning players season

Wow a split, then a merge at the top 12. That certainly IS a twist and I'm surprised they haven't done it sooner. Like it a lot. For sure makes the ousting of Bill an even stupider move.

I'm thinking back before the split. Alicia was going to possibly be voted off by her own alliance for her attitude. Jonas already doesn't like her and obviously Christina doesn't either. 'm just really hoping that she becomes a man without a planet. Obviously she won't stop badmouthing people and lying about them. Just hate it when people make this game that personal. Tarzan is also starting to do that. Talking badly about someone just because they aren't in your alliance.

I'm probably in the minority but I don't think they would have Colton back given the backlash about him.

Even is he does come back in a reuinon show I think people who have played before won't put up with him and he would be gone quickly.

I totally agree. They haven't really ever invited someone back that left that early, especially if they left for medical reasons. Mike Skupin (season 2 falling in the fire), Ed (intestinal blockage season ?), Jonathan (Fans vs Favs, hole in leg...well that was already an allstar show), The "Other Russell" (Exhaustion and passing out) Is that it? Didn't someone break a bone at one point?
Oh yeah...ha...this season! :)

[Draft Dodger]

Speaking of editing. When Christina was rubbing his temples during his headache/stomache ache, he was giving voxpops in a clean green shirt somewhere in the jugnle and he looked chipper as could be. And again when he was on the ground they intercut with talking heads of him. Makes me think that ALL of those were filmed in LA on a "Jungle" set. And thus makes me wonder if half of the show is actually filmed here and not there. :)


yeah, this raised a huge flag in my mind as well. he also looked like he had lost some weight and gotten more tan in those pics.

there's no chance they allowed him back into the game. right? right?

[CrimsonFox]

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[CrimsonFox]

there's no chance they allowed him back into the game. right? right?

His appendix burst so that means he's out for 2 weeks at least.
So no way he can come back.

[Draft Dodger]

I'm pretty sure they did not confirm that his appendix burst

[CrimsonFox]

I'm pretty sure they did not confirm that his appendix burst

sorry I thought someone said that it happened. Even if it didn't though. He's out a week at least then. THey wouldn't bring back anyone who was eating food and resting outside the game.

And did you see when he was talking about Christine helping him, that he was STILL badmouthing her. Not even thanking her in the least bit.

[EagleFan]

He's not coming back.

It all makes sense for why he was the "main character" the past few weeks. I was hoping for blindside but I'll take this.

[CrimsonFox]

Fun article here: (various things we've been talking about are also pondered)

Deus ex appendix: Colton's body deprives Survivor of a worthy exit for One World's villain + reality blurred (http://www.realityblurred.com/realitytv/archives/survivor_one_world/2012_Mar_22_colton-out)

[Maple Leafs]

Should I feel bad for yelling "Burst! Burst! Before the helicopter gets there, dammit, burst!"?

Because I don't.

[Mota]

Colton is possibly the most evil character ever in Survivor. Even Johnny Fairplay kept most of his evilness off camera.

I'm sad to see him go as well because I really wanted to see him get voted out.

[EagleFan]

Easily. Johnny Fairplay was evil in a wrestling heel kind of way (fitting). Russel was evil in a manipulating kind of way. Colton was evil in a spawn of Hitler kind of way.

[Maple Leafs]

The all-star version of Johnny Fairplay was arguably worse than Colton, but he was out after one episode.

If they bring back Colton for a season a la Hantz/Ozzie/etc I'm not watching. Couldn't handle it.

[EagleFan]

The all-star version of Johnny Fairplay was arguably worse than Colton, but he was out after one episode.


I don't remember much from that season. I can't see how it could have been much worse that Colton short of organizing a lynching or burning a cross in front of the camp.

[Maple Leafs]

I don't remember much from that season. I can't see how it could have been much worse that Colton short of organizing a lynching or burning a cross in front of the camp.
He was basically trying to play a pro wrestling character. It was unwatchable.

Imagine if Colton was invited back, and before going he decided "You know what, I think I was too subtle last time around".

[Draft Dodger]

sorry I thought someone said that it happened. Even if it didn't though. He's out a week at least then. THey wouldn't bring back anyone who was eating food and resting outside the game.

And did you see when he was talking about Christine helping him, that he was STILL badmouthing her. Not even thanking her in the least bit.

FYI, apparently it wasn't even appendicitis
Survivor's Colton Cumbie Reveals He Did Not Have Appendicitis, and His Master (Evil?) Plan! - E! Online (http://www.eonline.com/news/watch_with_kristin/survivors_colton_cumbie_reveals_did_not/303282)


which actually explains the interview stuff. He took a few days to recover, then they took him out into the jungle to film a couple of interview scenes before sending him back to whatever rock he crawled out from under.

[LloydLungs]

Fairplay wasn't evil. He was an annoying little shit and the first person to play a winning-quality game that I was rooting hard against. But not evil. And I actually found the grandma lie to be inspired strategy, if clumsily executed.

Colton is an absolute sub-human abomination. Like Maple Leafs I was pretty much rooting for a burst. I don't even feel slightly bad about that. Anybody who flinches, go watch his slanty eyes video at CBS.

I'd actually say the closest comparison to Colton is Corinne from Gabon. Stylistically, they're similar, but he is much worse.

[Draft Dodger]

the part that frustrates me about Colton was that he had absolutely NO strategy but touted himself as some mastermind. if there were even a handful of competent players, he would have been gone weeks ago

[Draft Dodger]

the part that frustrates me "the most" I should have said.

[kingfc22]

So glad that jackass is gone. Too bad he didn't pass out and fall into the fire. That would have been some great irony there following his diatribe towards Christina.

[CrimsonFox]

FYI, apparently it wasn't even appendicitis
Survivor's Colton Cumbie Reveals He Did Not Have Appendicitis, and His Master (Evil?) Plan! - E! Online (http://www.eonline.com/news/watch_with_kristin/survivors_colton_cumbie_reveals_did_not/303282)


which actually explains the interview stuff. He took a few days to recover, then they took him out into the jungle to film a couple of interview scenes before sending him back to whatever rock he crawled out from under.

That article is pure nonsense. Not necessarily about the medical stuff but everything else.

[CrimsonFox]

Fairplay wasn't evil. He was an annoying little shit and the first person to play a winning-quality game that I was rooting hard against. But not evil. And I actually found the grandma lie to be inspired strategy, if clumsily executed.

Colton is an absolute sub-human abomination. Like Maple Leafs I was pretty much rooting for a burst. I don't even feel slightly bad about that. Anybody who flinches, go watch his slanty eyes video at CBS.

I'd actually say the closest comparison to Colton is Corinne from Gabon. Stylistically, they're similar, but he is much worse.

I don't remember much from that season. I can't see how it could have been much worse that Colton short of organizing a lynching or burning a cross in front of the camp.


Fairplay's Allstar appearance was absolutely boring. Pfff! He wasn't evil at all. That was the problem. He actually told the others in camp and in tribal to go ahead and vote him off because he didn't care about the game anymore since he and his wife just had a baby. I thought it might be some kind of weird scheme but no...they all voted him off and he was happy to go. Just like that. So boring in fact was his appearance that Burnett hasn't brought him back since especially for the "Heroes vs villains" season.

As far as his first appearance....really I d id not find him evil at all. In fact he was one of the few people that season to actually be PLAYING. I found Rupert so boring and childish yet everyone loved him. It was actually cool that he managed to vote him off. Yeah I do agree that he was kind of playing a character. More cartoony than evil though. And the dead grandmother thing was classic. Not really evil or attacking people like Russell and Colton did.

[EagleFan]

Too bad he didn't pass out and fall into the fire. That would have been some great irony there following his diatribe towards Christina.

That would have been GREAT!

[Kodos]

Watched this tonight. Thank GOD he is gone!

[Mota]

As far as his first appearance....really I d id not find him evil at all. In fact he was one of the few people that season to actually be PLAYING.

I agree with you 100% there. All of his evil moments were off camera, he was leading all the contestants to believe one thing, and then in his interviews he'd be laughing and letting us know that he was playing them all.

With Colton he was coming right out and telling that Billy guy or Christine right to their faces and all kinds of personal insults. He was a bully that would definitely have gotten it back really soon.

[CrimsonFox]

Didn't really see that coming. It's a shame. Another likable person off the show. Not sure what the heck Jay is talking about with that last decision. Getting a bit tired of him. I never realized how much Mike and Leif look alike until tribal council.

I'm almost thinking that Leif could go final 4 at this point. :)
There are so many more threats/dislakable people they want to vote off ahead of him.

They had no hope for a guys alliance anymore. Jay and MIke can't stand the rest. I have no idea why Troyzan was telling Jonas/Tarzan/Leif stuff. Perhaps leaving his options open. I dislike the idea of an all-girl thing.

[Atocep]

Doesn't make sense to vote Jonas off there. I know there isn't a guys alliance, but the guys making the call there needed to realize they have to keep numbers in their favor. An all girls alliance is way too easy to pull off after sending Jonas home. Alicia should have been the one sent home tonight.

[Raiders Army]

the part that frustrates me about Colton was that he had absolutely NO strategy but touted himself as some mastermind. if there were even a handful of competent players, he would have been gone weeks ago

I agree with the last part, but disagree somewhat with the first part. Colton did get the immunity idol from Sabrina. He also manipulated his whole tribe into going into tribal council when they won. While I detest the sight of him, his bias towards others, and the general piece of shit that he is, I also have to say that from an unbiased point of view, he made shit happen that he wanted to happen. If that's not a mastermind (albeit with weak players), then I don't know what is.

[FBPro]

Doesn't make sense to vote Jonas off there. I know there isn't a guys alliance, but the guys making the call there needed to realize they have to keep numbers in their favor. An all girls alliance is way too easy to pull off after sending Jonas home. Alicia should have been the one sent home tonight.

Concur, Alicia should have been gone. Course, Tarzan is getting on my nerves and feels like a loose cannon to me.

[Suicane75]

Coltons manipulations get less impressive the more we see of these players without him. They are a sorry gaggle of geeks.

[CrimsonFox]

Coltons manipulations get less impressive the more we see of these players without him. They are a sorry gaggle of geeks.

Agree here. Coulton seemed to just have a lot of Charisma and the ability to make a decision and make up his mind and talk people forcefully into it. aka a bully.

He never had a master plan. If he did he wouldn't have been stupid enough to weaken the guys an extra member. Although he kept saying he was going to jump in with the girls during the merge but that never would have worked. A totally foolish idea.

It is sad that people aren't making good decisions even when they know what's happening. Christina definitely could have called Alicia out to Jonas AND Sabrina for jumping in with the guys and playing both sides. Alicia is still a broken record of getting rid of Christina when she really doesn't have an alliance. Tarzan is selfishly playing his own game. Somehow Coulton cast a spell on him to follow his orders even after his death in the game. He absolutely thinks the best of Coulton and ALicia, even when they are on the surface horrible people.

[Racer]

I disagree that Tarzan or Alicia would have been better targets this round. Neither of those younger guys on the stronger mixed tribe had any allegiance to the other guys (aside from maybe Troyzan). It made sense for those two to vote with the girls and vote off one of the stronger threats from the other alliance which in this case was Jonas. Tarzan and Alicia are both dead weight and not really threats.

[EagleFan]

These guys are idiots...

[General Mike]

+1 to the idiots

[CleBrownsfan]

These guys are idiots...

No kidding... 3 guys voted for Mike last night. WTH are they thinking?!?! I would have to put my money on Kim to win it.

[CrimsonFox]

This indeed is the dumbest group of people ever I think. :)

I mean hey Jay, how much more of a sign do you need that you can't trust the girls!

[CrimsonFox]

Don't know why there is such tunnel vision against Christina, even from the guys. HEy guys, Christina is NOT in the main girls alliance and never was and you know that.

Kim, Chelsea, and Sab need to get a bigger alliance at this point. I'm really curious if they can actually pull off this 3 way to the end. They need to find a better plan than all-girl. Alicia is a loose cannon. Christina is definitely a perfect coattail rider I think. Who is the other?

I hope they keep Troyzan around.

[Kodos]

This has been the worst season in recent memory.

[EagleFan]

I was hoping that Troyzan would have come to his senses once Jay told him about the women wanting to vote out Mike. That should have made him realize that the women are voting off the men. Now even if the men stick togther (and who knows what Tarzan will ever do) the best they can get is a tie if the pull Christina.

Someone really needs to make Christina feel like she is in a safe alliance with them and make a move. I don't think that anyone left is smart enough to do that.

[Racer]

I think that was a dumb move by the Kim, Chelsea, and Sabrina alliance. It was a couple of votes to early to vote out Mike. You voted out someone who felt he was in their alliance which would be okay except it probably burned their bridges with both Troyzan and Jay. Leif and Tarzan have no loyalties to that 3 girl group. Then you add in Christina who knows she the 6th girl (who could probably jump to third in that alliance) and suddenly it's a 5-5 game with an idol Kim and company don't have accounted for. It may not burn them but it was a dumb move because the longer the alliances were blurred the better for them. They aren't blurred anymore and there are still ten people left. They were in control of the game and now everyone should know it.

[korme]

This has been the worst season in recent memory.

Feels like people say this every season.

[Bisbo]

This has been the worst season in recent memory.

...and in distant memory.

[Thomkal]

The men clearly don't deserve to win this season-first they volunteer to go to Tribal Council in place of the woman, and now voting two men out in a row letting the women control things. I mean Jay c'mon Chelsea stupidly tells the women of the other tribe that she wants to vote out Mike right in front of you, and you still vote for him when you needed to keep him around more than ever? Yeah Troyzan I'm looking at you for just blindly believing Kim without even thinking she might be pulling one over on you?

Kim deserves to win right now-first for coming up with the idea of voting out Mike and organizing it, but stepping in right when Jay was going to tell him about it and getting them to vote Christina.

[Atocep]

Like I said before, the guys need to get Alicia out instead of Jonas. Christina would have worked as well. Both are women that they could have easily gotten support needed to vote out. There's enough dead weight weight left in the game that getting rid of one of those two to keep the numbers in their favor would have been worth it. Now because of that mistake plus the stupidity in last nights episode they're left scrambling.

[Maple Leafs]

I mean hey Jay, how much more of a sign do you need that you can't trust the girls!
Devil's advocate: It seems like he does know that, but what can he do? They already have the numbers, and if he makes himself a threat then he's next. By meekly going along, at least he might buy himself an extra vote or two to wait for a crack to form.

(And it's six women... if course a crack will form.)

[Draft Dodger]

so, I guess Jay isn't a brain model?

[Mota]

Not too many of them are. I can't believe that they got blindsided last week, and somehow believed that their alliance was still together. That is insane.

[Kodos]

Jay absolutely deserved what he got. How dumb can you be?

[CrimsonFox]

This show is officially worse than AMerican Idol

[CrimsonFox]

However, if you have not watched this week's episode yet, turn the sound off and just keep replaying the scene where all the girls are lying in the canoe. Keep rewind to where they show Chelsea.

[CrimsonFox]

BTW, what is with those reward challenges where the players run it themselves? I mean REALLY Jeff Probst, are you that rich and fatcat that you can't get off your chair, put down your pina colada and do you job? :D

[Draft Dodger]

However, if you have not watched this week's episode yet, turn the sound off and just keep replaying the scene where all the girls are lying in the canoe. Keep rewind to where they show Chelsea.

my thought at the time: money well spent

[Maple Leafs]

Let's talk about the bigger issue: Given that everyone is filthy and exhausted and starving to death, how is it that Chelsea is getting exponentially hotter each passing week?

[General Mike]

Why is everyone so fucking stupid?

[EagleFan]

Why is everyone so fucking stupid?

+1

Also, Tarzan is a complete waste.

[EagleFan]

Head scratching moments (not exact quotes but pretty much the gist of it):

I'll bid 20...
We have a bid of 20...
I'll bid 20 Jeff...
Uh, we already have a bid of 20...
20..23?
You have to bid in intervals of 20...
oh..........................

or....

Your plan only works if you win immunity every time...
No, we'll have the numbers...
We'll vote you out one at a time once you don't immunity...
No, we'll have the numbers...
Only if you win immunity...
No, we'll have the numbers...

[Draft Dodger]

or....

I know I'm going to need to make a move soon, I just have to think a bit to decide the right time

[Draft Dodger]

ps
not that it made a difference in the end, but why on earth wouldn't Troy have just bid $500 for the immunity hint off the bat, since that was what he was waiting for?

[EagleFan]

or....

I know I'm going to need to make a move soon, I just have to think a bit to decide the right time

Looks like that time will be right after she is voted off 5th or 6th.

[LloydLungs]

Smart gameplay that makes for bad TV, I can live with. But dumb gameplay that also makes for bad TV... egh.

I don't know what's happened in the last few seasons, but 5th/6th placers seem to have completely lost their ability to figure out they're at the bottom of their alliance. It wasn't always this way. Survivor gameplay seems to have regressed to the first 2-3 seasons. Or maybe alliance leaders have just gotten really good at lying? Basically, Neleh and Paschal flipped back in season 4 Marquesas, which started a good 15+ seasons of mostly alliance stragglers being self-aware about their status and realizing they needed to do something. Seems like Boston Rob's iron-fisted control of his alliance in S22 started a regression trend.

Of course, I say all this assuming Troy promised final 3 spots to Christina and Alicia as part of the pitch. We weren't shown that. But if he didn't make any promises beyond final 5, I can see why they wouldn't have sufficient reason to move.

[CrimsonFox]

I've never seen a bigger group of dumber bitches and that includes tarzan

[CrimsonFox]

Leif seemed like he'd been rehearsing his goodbye speech even before he got there. LIke "Whoa! I didn't see that coming. It's been great!"

[Suicane75]

I wish I could have tossed that fucking midget myself

[Mota]

Wow that was insane. The guys couldn't even get their votes together. That Tarzan has to be the dumbest guy alive.

Troyzan is a prick but he's pretty much the only interesting person in the game.

Everybody else is lining up to give Kim $1,000,000. It seems like they realize that, but are a bunch of sheep. Baaaa!!!!!!!!!

[General Mike]

Season seems faker than usual.

[kingfc22]

This has to be the DUMBEST group ever!

Troyzan could not have spelled it out any better.

[Aylmar]

Sad to see Chelsea go from hot girl who feels bad about betraying the guys to self-righteous bitch who can't grasp simple logic in essentially one night. Boring, boring, boring. Producers are going to have to shake it up a bit.

[FBPro]

Sad to see Chelsea go from hot girl who feels bad about betraying the guys to self-righteous bitch who can't grasp simple logic in essentially one night. Boring, boring, boring. Producers are going to have to shake it up a bit.

Chelsea's still nice to look at!!!

[General Mike]

I'm done. Not even Chelsea's oiled up body can keep me interested.

[EagleFan]

I'm done. Not even Chelsea's oiled up body can keep me interested.

I'm done, but I wouldn't go that far... :)

[CrimsonFox]

I haven't even watched the episode yet but I can guarantee troy will go home by the way they showed commercials all week of a girl splitup and dissension.

[LloydLungs]

Question: Are these last three seasons just random chance or do we have a trend here? Kim is playing a masterful game, but I'm not enjoying it as much as I might have if we weren't coming off two consecutive seasons of the dominant core alliance skating all the way to the end unopposed -- with that alliance's fringes failing to figure out they were on the bottom, week after week after week.

I'm concerned that the idea of flipping alliances is being phased out (the one time it happened recently, Cochran last season, was met with massive derision and scorn, and he was booted ASAP). Somewhere along the line, the conventional wisdom became that original tribal lines are sacred, flipping is tantamount to going against your family, will make you a pariah, and make it impossible to win over an enraged jury. It seems like everyone is now totally petrified to play anything other than ultra-conservative games.

The problem, of course, is that people flipping alliances is the most entertaining part of the show. If the thing that makes the show entertaining is now deemed to be a sure-fire losing strategy, it would seem to be poison for the show's quality. They tried to address that by having everyone live on the same beach and then later mixing up the tribes, but the fact that even that failed is troubling. In the past, mixing tribes usually did the trick.

[Atocep]

Question: Are these last three seasons just random chance or do we have a trend here? Kim is playing a masterful game, but I'm not enjoying it as much as I might have if we weren't coming off two consecutive seasons of the dominant core alliance skating all the way to the end unopposed -- with that alliance's fringes failing to figure out they were on the bottom, week after week after week.

I'm concerned that the idea of flipping alliances is being phased out (the one time it happened recently, Cochran last season, was met with massive derision and scorn, and he was booted ASAP). Somewhere along the line, the conventional wisdom became that original tribal lines are sacred, flipping is tantamount to going against your family, will make you a pariah, and make it impossible to win over an enraged jury. It seems like everyone is now totally petrified to play anything other than ultra-conservative games.

The problem, of course, is that people flipping alliances is the most entertaining part of the show. If the thing that makes the show entertaining is now deemed to be a sure-fire losing strategy, it would seem to be poison for the show's quality. They tried to address that by having everyone live on the same beach and then later mixing up the tribes, but the fact that even that failed is troubling. In the past, mixing tribes usually did the trick.

I think the root of the problem starts with Russel's first season. That was the season where backstabbing suddenly became a taboo thing that can lose you the game because the butthurt people on the jury just won't vote for you.

Combine that with Rob's most recent season where he quickly eliminated anyone that even appeared to waver and we've seen the game slowly evolve into what it is now. Ultra-conservative and boring. I'm not 100% sure if it's failure to identify where you sit in your alliance or people are just happy to make it to the final 3 and hope there's a Natalie or Sandra vote where they win simply because they offended the least number of people. Whatever the reasons, villains seem to be getting phased out. You can't win playing a true villain game anymore and it has made for bad TV.

[EagleFan]

They need to try my idea. There would be no tribes. Each immunity challenge would be randomly selected teams and that losing team goes to tribal. It could prevent the master alliance as you would not know who you may be sitting at tribal with from one time to the next.

[EagleFan]

Dola: this episode really sucked as that is the game which usually shows the fringe people just who the are. Christina is an idiot. Tarzan is just as bad.

[Draft Dodger]

more oil challenges please. k thnx

[FBPro]

more oil challenges please. k thnx

+1

[CrimsonFox]

They need to try my idea. There would be no tribes. Each immunity challenge would be randomly selected teams and that losing team goes to tribal. It could prevent the master alliance as you would not know who you may be sitting at tribal with from one time to the next.

fricking brilliant!

The other possibility is that no one is allowed to talk. It could be Survivor: Monastery

[General Mike]

I'd like to see them go back to the 3 and 4 tribe beginning formats they used for a few years. Maybe you would still have alliances sticking together through the whole game, but you would have smaller groups at the beginning so you might end up with more chance to split things up.

[Racer]

I'd like to see them go back to the 3 and 4 tribe beginning formats they used for a few years. Maybe you would still have alliances sticking together through the whole game, but you would have smaller groups at the beginning so you might end up with more chance to split things up.

I'd also like to see them go back to a final 2. A final 3 makes it easier for an alliance to stick together.

[korme]

The problem with no tribes, and random selections for each challenge is that all the dominant people would get voted off at first opportunity

[CrimsonFox]

I can't help wonder what would have happened if Colton had remained.

There would definitely be one less girl at least.

[Lathum]

I can't help wonder what would have happened if Colton had remained.

There would definitely be one more girl at least.

fixed

[larrymcg421]

I was already shocked that Alicia was was a special ed teacher given her attitude, but her comments in the last episode comparing Christina to one of her students were appalling. I hope she loses her job for that.

[LloydLungs]

I think the root of the problem starts with Russel's first season. That was the season where backstabbing suddenly became a taboo thing that can lose you the game because the butthurt people on the jury just won't vote for you.

If that was the lesson taken from Russell, it was the wrong one. Russell came out of a minority, outnumbered alliance. He needed other flippers to get him to the end. The lesson from Russell is that being a giant tool, even when you don't have to be, makes people unwilling to give you a million bucks.

I wonder if Survivor's current "terrified to flip" malaise couldn't be solved by giving everyone a flat appearance fee regardless of order of placement, with only the winner getting prize money. As it stands now, the longer you stay in the game, the more you make, up to $100,000 for the second place finisher. The difference between finishing 8th and finishing 5th is not an unsubstantial amount of money. That is extra motivation to not make waves and be content to finish fifth. If you make waves and it blows up on you, it actually does cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of $10,000-20,000.

I was already shocked that Alicia was was a special ed teacher given her attitude, but her comments in the last episode comparing Christina to one of her students were appalling. I hope she loses her job for that.

I cannot fathom being a parent and allowing my kid into her class. Not even comprehensible. Undoubtedly, she'll just shrug it off at the reunion, say, "Whatever haters, people who know me know I'm awesome," and probably get a raise.

[EagleFan]

I was already shocked that Alicia was was a special ed teacher given her attitude, but her comments in the last episode comparing Christina to one of her students were appalling. I hope she loses her job for that.

I'm actually wondering if she really is a special ed teacher; or if she was placed there because she had tenure and a poor attitude (so the rest of the parents didn't want her near their kids). I know a few people who are special ed teachers and I can't imagine any of them saying anything like that.

[CrimsonFox]

I was already shocked that Alicia was was a special ed teacher given her attitude, but her comments in the last episode comparing Christina to one of her students were appalling. I hope she loses her job for that.

yeah she's got that stupid "you go girl" attitude that she can be prissy trashy bitchy to everyone whenever she wants. And you notice it comes out more when she finds herself in an alliance where she can't be touched?

[EagleFan]

If I was Probst I would have made her cry at the end (more than she already did).

"Wasn't that blindside fun?"

[SegRat]

This was one of the better blindsides.

[gstelmack]

What, did the girl alliance crack? I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

[EagleFan]

This was one of the better blindsides.

and one of the worst "exit interviews".

(pout, pout, pout)I'm gonna ask Jeff to let me play again.(pout, pout, pout)

[CleBrownsfan]

and one of the worst "exit interviews".

(pout, pout, pout)I'm gonna ask Jeff to let me play again.(pout, pout, pout)

But she's only 22 - that gives her the right to pout.

[Ajaxab]

I was sorry to see her go. I wish Kim's plan would have worked out to have the final 3 that included Kat and Alicea. Would have made for some priceless answers to jury questions...

[ntndeacon]

That blindside was fun! and exciting!

[Suicane75]

Kat reminded me of a girl I knew when I was 13, in a mental hospital.

[kingfc22]

The only people left who could beat Kim are Sabrina and Tarzan. Both seem to be well liked but with differing qualities. Sabrina would seemingly do well in front of the jury and Tarzan, well he is Tarzan. I could easily see all the guys voting for him over Kim and any of the remaining women.

[CleBrownsfan]

So if you were Kim who would you want to go to trial with? I would say Christina and Alicia. Her best bet would have been Alicia and Kat - IMO

[CrimsonFox]

If I was Probst I would have made her cry at the end (more than she already did).

"Wasn't that blindside fun?"

That blindside was fun! and exciting!


It was Cool Beans!
:D

First episode this season I think I've liked. Kim is erally playing. And Alicia instead of just being a bitch, is also really playing. Not so sure how long Kim can stay queen bee especially when she's disagreeing with Chelsea now.

[Draft Dodger]

Kim has really played a strong game. and unlike Coach, I don't know that she's alienated anyone on the jury, other than Kat but she's dumber than a sack of beans anyway.

This is the part of Survivor that is frustrating. Everyone is angling to be in a final 3 with Kim. None seem to realize she's going to run away with the vote if that happens. They really should be working to get her out, which would more or less level the playing field. won't happen though.

[Draft Dodger]

oh, and the Kat blindside was so, so beautiful. her tribal comments were like a gift from the Survivor gods to make up for us being cheated from seeing Colton voted out.

[FrogMan]

It was Cool Beans!


Touché! :D

FM

[FBPro]

LOVED Kat getting blindsided......now is the time to get rid of Kim. Come on Chelsea!!

[molson]

I liked the 2nd half of the last episode, but I'm always surprised Survivor can find so many grown adults that lose their shit when they see their parents/siblings/cousins. I love my parents and siblings and everything but damn, I'm an adult, I don't live with them or even see them more than once or twice a year anymore. And even when I lived closer, I don't think I'd be a emotional wreck being away from them for a month. Maybe it's exciting to see them on the island in that context. Or maybe I'm just a cold hearted bastard. Wives/husbands/girlfriends/ boyfriends/kids that you live with and see every day for years, I get freaking out leaving them for a month. If I were on that show and my brother showed up I'd be all, "hey, man, how's the kids? Great"

[Kodos]

Yeah. I don't get the excessive waterworks either.

I would want my brother to show up, because he is an overcompetitive bastard like me. He'd be a good partner in a challenge.

[LloydLungs]

Waaay back on season 1 of Survivor, while family members did not show up in person, there was a "video from home" that everybody got to see. Nobody cried except for Jenna, who had two little girls at home and didn't get a video. I get that. But the CRAZY excessive ugly crying ever since then, you really gotta wonder.

I guess they're not faking it, but I wonder if some of them just let themselves go in the interest of not being seen by everyone else as cold? How else to explain everyone being pretty cool about it ONLY in season 1 before the show was established?

I get that it's stressful, et cetera, but damn. I feel like I'm extremely confident I would not break down. I'm very close with my family and I see them all the time, but geez...

[CrimsonFox]

I sometimes think they go out of their way to only pick people that are uberemotional about their siblings/spouses to come on the show. So that they will GET the total emotional waterworks episode.

Talk about clingy with Tarzan's wife. She was talking like she couldn't make toast without Tarzan helping her. Dislike people like that. Have a life (and brain) of your own please. THe other side of it though. I think a lot of it is just being in the game and around people that are using you and being generally unpleasant and then seeing someone normal is like a breath of fresh air. Still...the fact that EVERYone cries is kind of a mystery.

[CrimsonFox]

I do hope Chelsea and Sab both figure this out. Sab especially. She got ONE vote. She should realize that someone told Kat to vote for Sab...as in that was one of the possibilities.

Chelsea I hope really figures this out too. Cause this reward challenge thing is straight from season 4. Identify who are being pals and going on rewards together and take them out.

[Mota]

It is pretty weird to see people flipping out because of their parents or brothers or sisters showing up. I haven't needed my mommy that bad since I was about 5.

Was there really only 1 person who was married, in a significant relationship or with kids? That was pretty surprising to me.

[Draft Dodger]

my wife and I were both saying "it's only been a month". although I can see where the stress of the game and stuff would cause some sort of release if you saw your spouse or something. but yeah, brother? first cousin? I don't think so.

[EagleFan]

my wife and I were both saying "it's only been a month". although I can see where the stress of the game and stuff would cause some sort of release if you saw your spouse or something. but yeah, brother? first cousin? I don't think so.

Glad I wasn't being a cold hearted bastard.

Cousin? Sister? Brother?

I can get it with maybe wife, husband, kids or family member who has health issues.

Even at that; I have been away from my family 4 different times for a month long trip for work and there were no crying from either side when I returned. Granted I did talk to them throughout so maybe that would make a difference.

But again, that would be spouse or kids. Not mother, sister or brother.

[CrimsonFox]

my wife and I were both saying "it's only been a month". although I can see where the stress of the game and stuff would cause some sort of release if you saw your spouse or something. but yeah, brother? first cousin? I don't think so.


oh yeah the cousin thing was just soooo damn creepy. I think that is the first incestual relationship we've had on survivor. :)

[Draft Dodger]

yeah, how stupid will THOSE inbred children be?

[General Mike]

So much hate

[FBPro]

Well, glad Chelsea survived this week.....that was close. Alicia is a train wreck and needs to go.

[CrimsonFox]

so much drama yeah :)

I'm back to liking Kim. Have switched over to watching the ponderosa videos online. Watching people eat food like they have never seen it before is always fun. (much more fun than the show :) )

[EagleFan]

Was waiting for Kim and Chelsea to embrace in a hot steamy kiss while they were talking..... but it never happened.... :(

:devil:

[EagleFan]

Oh, Kim gets on my nerves. She manipulates everyone and has no soul.

I think what gets on my nerves is that everyone is letting her do it.

Then Tarzan goes bananas and seals his fate. "Then I put her panties on my head...." f'n priceless....

[LloydLungs]

I've been rooting for Kim to lose over the past few weeks just to make things interesting, but holy crap is she playing a hell of a game. An absolute textbook Survivor performance for the Survivor strategy geek like myself. Kudos. Now that she made it to the last episode, I hope it pays off and she wins. I don't think it's been a very entertaining season, but that gameplay should be rewarded.

On another note, Chelsea is hot. Hot dirty, hotter cleaned up. Man.

[CrimsonFox]

Was waiting for Kim and Chelsea to embrace in a hot steamy kiss while they were talking..... but it never happened.... :(

:devil:

word

[larrymcg421]

They missed their chance to take out Kim. Now they will only get one more opportunity, when it is final 4.

[CrimsonFox]

oh btw, I was thinking that last night was the only chance she could have played the idol. Can she still play it next time then? If so then Kim is a lock.

[CrimsonFox]

and I really think they need to stop putting rich people on the show. They just screw it up to much as they don't really care about winning, just showing off.

[larrymcg421]

oh btw, I was thinking that last night was the only chance she could have played the idol. Can she still play it next time then? If so then Kim is a lock.

She can play it at final 5, so she's guaranteed of final 4. She might have to win that final 4 immunity if they wise up and try to take her out. Rob himself said that everything he'd done all season wouldn't have mattered if he didn't win the final 4 immunity, because he was sure he'd be voted out at that point.

[Lathum]

She can play it at final 5, so she's guaranteed of final 4. She might have to win that final 4 immunity if they wise up and try to take her out. Rob himself said that everything he'd done all season wouldn't have mattered if he didn't win the final 4 immunity, because he was sure he'd be voted out at that point.

I'm not sure this group is that smart.

[CrimsonFox]

I'm not sure this group is that smart.

agreed.

Depends on what Kim does really. If she sticks with Sab and Chelsea or tries to win it all with the two misfits. Am guessing the lovefest will win out.

[Kodos]

Glad Chelsea survived, as she is easy on the eyes. :)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Did I hear the promo on the commercial right? Three tribal councils to come? That would mean that there is a final two, not three.

[Lathum]

Did I hear the promo on the commercial right? Three tribal councils to come? That would mean that there is a final two, not three.

5 to 4
4 to 3
final one?

[LloydLungs]

Did I hear the promo on the commercial right? Three tribal councils to come? That would mean that there is a final two, not three.

Pretty sure they're counting the finals as a tribal council.

[tyketime]

I'm scared to think about what I would have given up to have been the soap-on-a-rope on the "big sailboat" when Chelsea got her shower: http://www.cbs.com/base/files/styles/136x170/public/cast/s24_Chelsea_Meissner.jpg

[Maple Leafs]

I've decided that this will be the year I just mute the jury questions and tune back in once they're revealing the vote. It's excruciating in the best of years, but this season I'm sure Kat's little breakdown alone will make it impossible to get through without hurling the remote through my TV.

[Draft Dodger]

I'm recording to watch later this week...but I'm looking forward to her meltdown.

[Racer]

Game set match.