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HeavyReign

05-10-2012, 12:01 AM

Since I mentioned it in the FBCB thread I might as well get this started. Work is progressing on the new pro game to the point where I might start having some people get involved with testing later in the month while I continue to add more stuff. The best way to currently describe the game is a cross between FBCB and Season Ticket Basketball with database that lets you start or import draft classes from any season since 1946. The other big thing right now is I'm working to make it possible to have multiple leagues running within the same game universe. Just how much the leagues interact would be up to the user but it opens up the possibility for adding European or other leagues to the game as well. Here is a basic overview for now:

 [B]Advanced Customization[/B]
*Multiple leagues can be active at once
*League sizes ranging from 8 to 40 teams
*Full customization of team and player details
*Control how many teams make the playoffs and the length of each round
*Optional developmental league for players
*Import draft files from FBCB

[B]Historical Database[/B]
*Use league structures from 1946 through 2011 with actual team movement/expansion or custom team movement/expansion
*Player database allows you to start in any year 1946 or later and automatically import the actual players that entered the league each year into the draft pool.

[B]Updated Game Engine and Player ratings (FBCB Style)[/B]
*Expanded player ratings give a more detailed breakdown of each player’s individual skills

[B]Expanded Options for Online Leagues[/B]
*FTP support to allow you to upload league files from within the game.
[B]
Updated Free Agency Period[/B]
*Free agency period is extended to allow for more negotiation
[B]
More available stats/information[/B]
*Almanac shows detailed information about past seasons.

[B]Other[/B]
*Fast sim allows automatic simulation of multiple seasons to allow you to build the league history before playing

Scoobz0202

05-10-2012, 12:05 AM

Can't wait. Insta-buy. And I don't even really follow the NBA.

MrBug708

05-10-2012, 12:07 AM

Woot!

INDalltheway

05-10-2012, 12:16 AM

So pumped! No way this wont be a day 1 purchase - still load up FBCB almost daily.

rjolley

05-10-2012, 12:19 AM

You will be able to import draft classes from FBCB?

Looking forward to playing it.

Groundhog

05-10-2012, 12:24 AM

Seriously, best news I've had in a long time. Anything I can do to help, let me know.

britrock88

05-10-2012, 12:33 AM

Can't wait. Insta-buy. And I don't even really follow the NBA.

This. Never played your earlier edition of the pro game, but I've eaten up the FBCB series to the point that I'm already planning on sinking lots of time into this. Would be happy to help test, too, if you need that.

Radii

05-10-2012, 01:07 AM

Dunno if I'll play a pro game too much but its still an instant day 1 purchase if for no other reason than to say thanks for the amazing FBCB Support. The historical draft classes does sound *very* appealing. I want to play in the late 80s/early 90s and get a team of UNC alum going... Kenny Smith/Jordan/Perkins/Worthy/Daugherty should work out ok.

05-10-2012, 01:41 AM

This is awesome.

Question though. Being able to have multiple leagues, will there be any chance we could see some sort of promotional system put into the game?

HeavyReign

05-10-2012, 02:22 AM

Promotion between leagues would not be out of the question given that leagues in Europe actively use it.

You will be able to import draft classes from FBCB?

Of course.

whomario

05-10-2012, 04:49 AM

This is awesome news :)

One big wish : Please try to correct the issue of european PCs not being able to sort the stats correctly without changing a lot of things on the PC.

FBCB and FBCB2 were the only games where i ever had that problem. Would be highly apreciated if you could change that for this game :)

I´m more than willing to help test (not just for that, overall)

whomario

05-10-2012, 04:49 AM

If it "only" as solid as FBCB2 it´ll be allready great :) Did i understand it correctly that upon release every player from 1946 to 2011 will be in the DB ? How the hell did you manage to put in all this data ? And it´ll all come without extra cost ? That´s grand of you !

Will there be league records available and for every year ? Like, if i start in 1980 will the league records (points in a season, rebounds in career f.e.) be "as of the start of the 1980 season" ?

Also, do you have to go the historical route or can you also go all fictional as allway ?

frnk55

05-10-2012, 06:31 AM

:) Can't wait!

SlyBelle1

05-10-2012, 07:06 AM

This sounds good and if the support is as good as the college game, I certainly will be a first day purchaser. Also, if you do need early testers, feel free to sign me up!

wade moore

05-10-2012, 07:41 AM

Although I only got into it recently, I love the college game. Looking forward to this!

Marmel

05-10-2012, 07:42 AM

I hate the NBA, but this is a day 1 purchase and sounds like it will be a great game. Love the customization options and historical db.

Young Drachma

05-10-2012, 07:47 AM

Pumped for this too!

LloydLungs

05-10-2012, 09:32 AM

*Import draft files from FBCB

I presume if doing a fictional league we can pick any start year? Although I doubt it will be necessary, I'd like to coordinate the year with my college universe.

*Fast sim allows automatic simulation of multiple seasons to allow you to build the league history before playing

My pet issue, thank you!

I have another question in general. As we saw this past NBA season, the bottom 5+ teams headed towards the lottery usually engage in some form of tanking. It's a very tangible part of the NBA. Will there be some sort of mechanism in the game to mimic that? Maybe have these teams a little more willing to stretch out injuries? Combined with something like OOTP's win now/normal/rebuilding modes for trades? Doesn't have to be over the top, but it seems like there should be some nod towards this.

nilodor

05-10-2012, 09:43 AM

I picked up DDSPB3 because I wasn't sure if this would be released (and I really wanted the new FBB to come out, so I decided to date it's sister instead...). However I am super excited for this to come out and will be a day one purchase.

cartman

05-10-2012, 09:46 AM

I'm gonna have to call my doctor, because my erection has now passed the four hour mark. Awesome news!

MizzouRah

05-10-2012, 09:47 AM

More great news from the text sim world!

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

05-10-2012, 10:17 AM

day one purchase for me also!!!

I am curious about the finance options. Will we be given a choice of NBA style salary cap, strict salary cap and no salary cap?

markprior22

05-10-2012, 10:23 AM

I'll definitely buy on release based on Brian's support of past games alone. Thanks again Brian for all your efforts.

Mizzou B-ball fan

05-10-2012, 10:28 AM

What's the website for this game series? Google is not your friend if you search for Fast Break Pro Basketball. :)

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

05-10-2012, 10:35 AM

That is an interesting point. FBCB is a grey dog game. Don't know if the pro game will be released under them as well. There is no announcement on the website or the forums.

Fidatelo

05-10-2012, 10:41 AM

What's the website for this game series? Google is not your friend if you search for Fast Break Pro Basketball. :)

+1, I can't find anything about the previous entries in the series.

INDalltheway

05-10-2012, 10:46 AM

http://www.fbbgames.com/forum/

Mizzou B-ball fan

05-10-2012, 10:47 AM

http://www.fbbgames.com/forum/

Whew. Website needs some work. Hasn't been updated in five years.

Fidatelo

05-10-2012, 11:07 AM

Is there an FBB2? I can't seem to find one, yet this is 3.

INDalltheway

05-10-2012, 11:13 AM

Is there an FBB2? I can't seem to find one, yet this is 3.

I believe it was called Season Ticket Basketball. I could be wrong though.

Arles

05-10-2012, 11:13 AM

I just setup a general discussions forum for it at the GreyDog site:

Fast Break Pro Basketball General Discussions - Grey Dog Software (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=192)

Feel free to go there and ask questions/make comments.

korme

05-10-2012, 11:34 AM

To actually be able to run the ABA vs. the NBA would be super bad ass

korme

05-10-2012, 11:38 AM

I've wanted a new FBB for a long time. My favorite sport, favorite game developer. Can't wait.

Logan

05-10-2012, 11:54 AM

PC only?

Galaril

05-10-2012, 02:13 PM

PC only?

I would assume so.

GoldenEagle

05-10-2012, 02:30 PM

Are you writing this one in .NET or sticking with VB6?

HeavyReign

05-11-2012, 12:49 AM

Still working in VB6 for now. I might look at .NET for the next FBCB but ultimately I'd like move away from VB entirely. As long as VB is still used there wouldn't be a Mac specific version.

For fictional leagues you could start whenever you wanted.

Whomario I scrapped the sorting routines used in the FBCB games so hopefully that will eliminate the issues that you had in those games. I'd be open to having you let me know if that is the case once I start doing some testing.

Effectively there is FBB, STB/FBBSE, and now this game on the pro side. When STB came out I should have also released my version as FBB2 but instead kept updating both the original FBB and STB at the same time. Had I handled that properly it would've been easier to transition into FBB3 after the first FBCB. The new version has been worked on in stages many times over the years but this time I can actually see the finish line.

Scoobz0202

05-11-2012, 01:04 AM

I'll ask.

Any idea where the finish line is?

HeavyReign

05-11-2012, 01:22 AM

Right now the database imports the past player stats but doesn't calculate season records etc. Something like records could be easy to pull out of the database when you start. If I wanted to add other pieces of history I'd have to add some more information to the database.

When the game is done will depend on how things will go once I start testing. I'm pretty sure the beta period on FBCB ended up being around 2 months. Starting testing tends to be a huge step just because of how my mind works. When I start getting tons of feedback I get more focused so I'm either always programming or always thinking about it. It helps prevent the periods of what is effectively writers block. Ultimately, more time until release will mean that more stuff got added.

Groundhog

05-11-2012, 01:41 AM

When the game is done will depend on how things will go once I start testing. I'm pretty sure the beta period on FBCB ended up being around 2 months. Starting testing tends to be a huge step just because of how my mind works. When I start getting tons of feedback I get more focused so I'm either always programming or always thinking about it. It helps prevent the periods of what is effectively writers block. Ultimately, more time until release will mean that more stuff got added.

I think this effect tends to carry over significantly past beta, given what we see in this thread at a freakishly frequent rate. :D

cougarfreak

05-11-2012, 07:10 AM

I have never had much interest in a basketball game, how much is this? I'm at work and the game website is blocked.

OldGiants

05-11-2012, 07:39 AM

Wow!

Best news in a long while. I've been playing FBCB2 pretty much non-stop for a year now and every time I pause to play OOTP12 or FOF I come right back to FBCB2. With the new Panzer Corps Commander, FBCB2 takes up all my free time.

I'm reading the excellent LOOSE BALLS by Terry Pluto for at least the third time. It's the definitive history of the ABA and a classic.

In the past I've setup all-time tournaments using Above The Rim, the Excel-based basketball sim. Kentucky Colonels with Artis Gilmore, Dan Issel and Louie Dampier versus the Celtics or Bulls make for great games.

Will we be able to import historic teams into leagues like you can in OOTP? Taking the best of the ABA like that Kentucky team and the Nets with Julius Erving, or the Spurs with George Gervin, Swen Nater and James Silas would make for hours of fun for me.

Add me to the list of volunteer play testers and ABA verifiers. I may be the only person around here who actually attended ABA games and remembers the players fondly.

Oh, and I know you don't do this now, but having a spot on the player screen for a photo would be awesome. I'd lead the way to assembling an ABA photo pack.

HarryLime

05-11-2012, 07:42 PM

this is awesome news HR! FBCB2 is my absolute favorite text sim and i have played them all! This is a day 1 purchase, if for no other reason than your amazing support of the college game, but i am sure it will be great!

player photos would be great... i put together a pack for DDS3 and would be more than willing/happy to use for FBP or assemble a new 1!

Ramzavail

05-11-2012, 08:25 PM

awesome news. Instant buy for me.

IlliniCub

05-13-2012, 08:27 PM

If you're looking for ideas I'd love to see some of the advanced metrics found on sites like Basketball reference. Very much looking forward to this Fastbreak Pro basketball was one of the gateway drugs that led to years of text sim addiction for me

Groundhog

05-13-2012, 09:04 PM

I have another question in general. As we saw this past NBA season, the bottom 5+ teams headed towards the lottery usually engage in some form of tanking. It's a very tangible part of the NBA. Will there be some sort of mechanism in the game to mimic that? Maybe have these teams a little more willing to stretch out injuries? Combined with something like OOTP's win now/normal/rebuilding modes for trades? Doesn't have to be over the top, but it seems like there should be some nod towards this.

Definitely agree on this. I think with STB there were rarely any woeful teams because no teams were ever in rebuild mode, so you'd rarely see those horrible Bobcats-esque squads, nor as a result the incredibly high winning % teams generally speaking.

k0ruptr

05-13-2012, 10:27 PM

Excited.

dunkem

05-14-2012, 02:32 PM

Perhaps instead of building in "tanking" by having the team play worse, the out of contention team could take a different trade deadline approach by getting more draft picks, dumping salary, etc. which would lead to poor performance for the rest of the season.

Even towards the end of the season, I think most teams will play younger players and lose that way. Something about building in the "tank" factor that bothers me (as it does in real life). I don't know how HR would separate a Charlotte team vs. a New Orleans team which actually started winning games once Gordon came back from injury. I'd actually go even so far as to say teams like New Orleans and even a Sacramento were trying to win (or at least get better) or else they'd have been tanking to get the second worst record from Washington.

dawgfan

05-14-2012, 03:03 PM

This. Never played your earlier edition of the pro game, but I've eaten up the FBCB series to the point that I'm already planning on sinking lots of time into this. Would be happy to help test, too, if you need that.
Same.

whomario

05-14-2012, 03:49 PM

Players don´t tank, management does, first by personell moves, then by not risking anything with banged up players (to put a positive spin on it) and propably eventually the coach doesn´t play guys that might be better players but he figures wont be there past the end of the season.

And loosing teams eventually crumble and continue to loose.

I'd actually go even so far as to say teams like New Orleans and even a Sacramento were trying to win (or at least get better) or else they'd have been tanking to get the second worst record from Washington.

Hornets did tank by sitting guys with slight injuries towards the end of the season (Jack sat like 20 days with a "sore ankle" f.e., Kaman going out the last 10 games and so forth). Look at the box scores, it´s mind boggling.
The only reason Gordon was played at all was likely that they felt they needed a look at him in a No1 role to decide if they commit to him in the summer (try to, anyway)

I agree that it would be great if teams traded differently related to their current position/roster makeup and have the AI recognize if their team is in rebuild or not. 2K allegedly did that with NBA 2K12, but amidst al the other things not working i didn´t pay attention if it actually worked at all ...

korme

05-16-2012, 11:35 PM

Bump, as this thread must always be near the top.

HeavyReign

05-16-2012, 11:53 PM

I have another question in general. As we saw this past NBA season, the bottom 5+ teams headed towards the lottery usually engage in some form of tanking. It's a very tangible part of the NBA. Will there be some sort of mechanism in the game to mimic that? Maybe have these teams a little more willing to stretch out injuries? Combined with something like OOTP's win now/normal/rebuilding modes for trades? Doesn't have to be over the top, but it seems like there should be some nod towards this.

I will be going with something along these lines although I haven't added it yet. Teams looking to rebuild should be more willing to make trades for draft picks, expiring contracts, etc.

And sorry for the quiet few days. I ended up going out of town for 5 days at the last minute now I'm home and starting to feel sick:banghead: I guess that explains why I felt so exhausted the last day or two I was gone. Hopefully nothing too bad, I can write some interesting code while on cold medicine.

Groundhog

05-17-2012, 12:14 AM

I will be going with something along these lines although I haven't added it yet. Teams looking to rebuild should be more willing to make trades for draft picks, expiring contracts, etc.

And sorry for the quiet few days. I ended up going out of town for 5 days at the last minute now I'm home and starting to feel sick:banghead: I guess that explains why I felt so exhausted the last day or two I was gone. Hopefully nothing too bad, I can write some interesting code while on cold medicine.

NOTIFICATION: Chris Bosh left practice with an injury. His sprained vagina is expected to keep him off the court for 5 weeks.

LloydLungs

05-17-2012, 11:46 PM

I will be going with something along these lines although I haven't added it yet. Teams looking to rebuild should be more willing to make trades for draft picks, expiring contracts, etc.

Very glad to hear. I just want to guard against everyone in the league being bunched up between 25-55 wins, which is what tends to happen when this is not accounted for, and it takes me out of an NBA sim somewhat. It's not a game killer but it's annoying and not realistic.

yeah826

05-23-2012, 12:52 PM

I was wondering with the historical season play will there be a replay type of mode which have you as a coach just coaching the team while the gm makes the trades that happened during the season sort of like what happen in games like puresim I believe.

yeah826

05-23-2012, 12:53 PM

Also Im kinda curious how did you go about putting in the defensive ratings of players before around 1974 since they did not incorporate the block or steal stat untill this time period

HeavyReign

05-24-2012, 12:31 AM

I'm considering some form of replay mode. I haven't fully decided how I want to handle it just yet though. It could be as simple as the draft is disabled an rookies get placed on the appropriate teams or there could be more to it.

For now defense is randomized in those years with the ability to enter in potential values for players into the database. The ability to override the potential rating for any skill for any player is present for all years.

korme

05-24-2012, 11:04 AM

Also Brian, you have to consider how you will handle players who were drafted, and then didn't play in the league right away.

For example, Arvydas Sabonis was drafted in '86, didn't debut until '95-96. Do you have him import when drafted or when arrived? I guess that could be optional as well.

yeah826

06-03-2012, 07:41 PM

Hey any update on the progress of the game???

Young Drachma

06-03-2012, 07:57 PM

Looking forward to importing my players from FBCB.

Groundhog

06-03-2012, 08:11 PM

Looking forward to importing my players from FBCB.

Same here!

HeavyReign

06-05-2012, 03:50 PM

I'm still working on making various sections of the game able to handle multiple leagues at once. The main core of the game has no issues there but some of the extra features needed to be adjusted.

britrock88

06-05-2012, 04:54 PM

A couple questions about historical league features - will there be an option to turn off free agency (as it didn't exist until the 70s)? If that's in play, could players still jump from the NBA to ABA or vice versa? And once free agency does come into play, is there any framework for compensation by draft pick (like baseball has), as the NBA had that for a time?

HeavyReign

06-05-2012, 05:01 PM

The plan is to have options for no free agency. I'll have to do some more research into that time period to see exactly how it was handled then to see if it is actually feasible in a multiple league setup.

SlyBelle1

06-05-2012, 08:20 PM

Put me in the camp of can't wait....

IlliniCub

06-05-2012, 11:26 PM

Very excited...In the new version will there be some sort of scouting model to go along with the draft? Or at least more than just the single potential rating we had in the first pro game?

HeavyReign

06-06-2012, 04:34 AM

There are potential ratings for each of the individual skills like in the college game.

King of New York

06-06-2012, 11:47 AM

I may have to lead the Providence Steamrollers or the Sheboygan Red Skins to the glory that history so cruelly denied to them.

Emmett13

06-06-2012, 12:22 PM

So incredibly psyched, maybe even more than I was for the college game.

britrock88

06-06-2012, 04:25 PM

I may have to lead the Providence Steamrollers or the Sheboygan Red Skins to the glory that history so cruelly denied to them.

We should start a sim league in '46!

Emmett13

06-07-2012, 12:12 AM

Something I'd like to see are more...ethnic names? The name file in FBCB2010 is a little whitewashed for me. Some Markels, Latrells, etc... would be nice.

APC

06-07-2012, 07:33 AM

Any progress updates? Close to testing? Don't want to sound impatient, but I'm really forward to this one :)

SlyBelle1

06-15-2012, 07:58 PM

This game deserves to be bumped up to the front again:)

Emmett13

06-21-2012, 10:34 PM

This game deserves to be bumped up to the front again:)

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QuikSand

07-06-2012, 01:26 PM

This game deserves to be bumped up to the front again:)

*shurg*

INDalltheway

07-14-2012, 11:47 PM

Don't get too excited for this...... BUMP.

SlyBelle1

07-15-2012, 06:18 AM

Don't get too excited for this...... BUMP.

Why wouldn't we want to get too excited for this game? I am very excited about it coming out:)

HeavyReign

07-18-2012, 12:55 AM

Long time no update :)....So I'll try to provide more updates from here on out. I've been working hard on the code that allows the game to support multiple leagues at once. Going back and converting code that was designed to only handle one league has been a significant process but it is mostly done. It also took me forever to figure out how I wanted to lay out the available options when starting a new game but I finally came up with something that I'm pretty happy with. The end result of all this is I've added 4 leagues to the game so far: NBA, ABA, NBDL, and Italy's Serie A. The three American leagues have full historical settings for league structure so the process of expansion and team movement in the correct years can be fully automated. The game will also automatically update league rules like the salary cap for you each year if you enable the option. Currently ABA teams will leave for the NBA in 1976 but I still need to add code to make the league fold. Coming work will include adding more leagues as well as adding code for how the leagues can interact. For instance it will be possible to set up promotion and relagation between leagues and it will be possible to specify one league as a developmental league of another league.

Young Drachma

07-18-2012, 01:05 AM

excellent news!

dawgfan

07-18-2012, 01:15 AM

Oh man, this is sounding awesome!

Groundhog

07-18-2012, 02:27 AM

HR that sounds incredible. Can't wait.

britrock88

07-18-2012, 11:13 AM

Great work. I can't wait to give you my money.

FBPro

07-18-2012, 08:22 PM

I might actually purchase a basketball game.....

Groundhog

07-18-2012, 09:11 PM

Great work. I can't wait to give you my money.
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Scoobz0202

07-18-2012, 09:50 PM

Dutch

07-19-2012, 07:20 AM

Looking forward to it. Loved the original.

spleen1015

07-19-2012, 07:37 AM

Are real historical players going to be included?

Eaglesfan27

07-19-2012, 07:39 AM

Instant buy.

jbergey22

07-19-2012, 08:28 AM

This sounds spectacular. Adding to the list of adjectives.

britrock88

07-19-2012, 12:38 PM

Are real historical players going to be included?

All of them, from the sound of it.

jbergey22

07-19-2012, 12:52 PM

Are real historical players going to be included?

All of them, from the sound of it.

I guess Im not sure one way or another but I think he just means getting the teams correct according to history at this point.

Unless there is some database Im not aware of for the teams to download into the game automatically it would be a very large chore for anyone to take on this historic players datebase alone.

HeavyReign

07-19-2012, 01:26 PM

There is a historical player database included too.

Philliesfan980

07-19-2012, 01:26 PM

You guys are killing me! Each time I see this thread has new posts, I'm hoping that a playable beta has been released.

spleen1015

07-19-2012, 01:28 PM

There is a historical player database included too.

See, this is what I am talking about. Another NBA game is selling seasons. HR is essentially giving them to us with the game. Awesome.

MizzouRah

07-19-2012, 01:54 PM

Can't wait to see some screens!

Balldog

07-19-2012, 08:37 PM

Will we be able to keep the league from over expanding? 24.teams if I wanted to

HeavyReign

07-19-2012, 09:10 PM

If you mean due to random expansion then for now it is just possible to turn off random expansion at that point. Historical expansion can also be turned off at any time. I might also be able to throw in a setting for max league size to make sure it doesn't go over.

Balldog

07-20-2012, 03:37 AM

Awesome!

APC

07-20-2012, 04:37 PM

Please spend 24 hours per day day finishing this game. It's not considered pushy if you say please, right?

korme

07-22-2012, 04:13 PM

Great work. I can't wait to give you my money.

This x100000000

frnk55

07-22-2012, 04:35 PM

Count me in too. Can't wait!

Groundhog

07-22-2012, 07:26 PM

HR, have you thought about releasing your title through Steam?

21C

07-22-2012, 08:47 PM

Or by using Kickstarter?

cougarfreak

07-22-2012, 09:18 PM

I have never purchased a pro basketball sim, but if historical players are included, count me in. I'd love to replay some Larry Bird era.

Groundhog

07-22-2012, 09:30 PM

Or by using Kickstarter?

That's actually a very good idea, especially if HR wanted to raise finances enough to make it more than a 1-man show - ie. hire someone to do the artwork, etc.

HeavyReign

07-24-2012, 07:32 PM

Grover

07-24-2012, 07:34 PM

I'd like t purchase this, but I'm very hesitant to throw down $35 for it.

Groundhog

07-24-2012, 07:44 PM

I'd like t purchase this, but I'm very hesitant to throw down $35 for it.

I trust you've tried the college and prior pro releases? If so, I'm not sure why you would be. I shell out nearly 3x that amount for an EA/2K sports title that I've spent a fraction of the time playing compared with HR's releases.

Grover

07-24-2012, 07:48 PM

I played 2, never played the college versions.

My worry is how much use I'd get out of it. I bought all these great games on the Steam Sale, yet I keep reverting myself back to Football Manager, it's like I can't help myself.

SlyBelle1

07-24-2012, 07:51 PM

I'd love to use Steam. Dealing with Elicense can be frustrating at times as we all know. It will just require writing the games in C/C++. I'd prefer to move in that direction but I just don't know how long it would take. Kickstarter certainly sounds interesting but I'm not sure how it would work for a text sim. Obviously the trend is to offer up extra stuff depending on levels of funding. I'm actually anxious to see how this will all turn out from a sales perspective. Its been a long time since the last pro game but there does seem to be a decent number of online leagues still out there mostly using the original game. Life outside of programming continues to be rough but hopefully things will start to go my way eventually. A successful release would certainly make things easier.

Maybe what you could do at different levels of funding:

- Level 1 - If people pledge at certain amount (maybe a discounted price), they get the benefit of supporting you and ultimately getting the game a little cheaper.

- Level 2 - If they pledge an amount greater than level one, but still at some discounted amount, they get the discount amount and maybe you allow them to participate as a tester as you finalize the game so they can contribute ideas and help make the product strong. Include the testers and contributors in the list of credits as an extra touch:)

You mention being curious about how the game would sale, using Kick starter would help answer this question since you could see the amount of pre-sales interest.

Groundhog

07-24-2012, 08:02 PM

I'd love to use Steam. Dealing with Elicense can be frustrating at times as we all know. It will just require writing the games in C/C++. I'd prefer to move in that direction but I just don't know how long it would take. Kickstarter certainly sounds interesting but I'm not sure how it would work for a text sim. Obviously the trend is to offer up extra stuff depending on levels of funding. I'm actually anxious to see how this will all turn out from a sales perspective. Its been a long time since the last pro game but there does seem to be a decent number of online leagues still out there mostly using the original game. Life outside of programming continues to be rough but hopefully things will start to go my way eventually. A successful release would certainly make things easier.

Yup, I can't help but feel that there is a bigger market out there for this than is realised. I think the addition of foreign leagues in this release will help, and having a platform that is visible to so many people like Steam could only mean more sales. I think a kickstarter to help with the transition to C/C++ followed by a Steam release would be the way to go, because you would have cash to work with while you translate the code over to C/C++.

korme

08-14-2012, 12:54 PM

Bump the high screen

Marmel

08-15-2012, 01:53 PM

rjolley

08-15-2012, 02:00 PM

Marmel: Yes, and yes.

GoldenEagle

08-15-2012, 02:05 PM

FYI HR, you can write games in Java and sell them on Steam. If you are not a C++ expert, I would recommend Java especially if you know anything about C#. The two are very similar.

HeavyReign

08-15-2012, 02:20 PM

That would be interesting and would also pave the way for android development. It would definitely be something to consider.

korme

08-15-2012, 02:21 PM

So, if I am reading this correctly, we can start playing an NBA league in 1980 and moving forward we would get actual draft classes to use? Or I can start a fictional league in 2013 and import FBCB draft classes? Really?

I'll lay down the money for this game today without even having to know a release date.

Same here. And we should get an online league going yesterday. And start at the merger.

britrock88

08-15-2012, 04:52 PM

Same here. And we should get an online league going yesterday. And start at the merger.

IN.

scoman

08-16-2012, 11:32 AM

Chomping at the bit waiting for the chance to check out the historical aspect of this game. Really looking forward to its release. As much anticipation for a sports sim title that I have had for quite some time.

INDalltheway

09-16-2012, 11:25 PM

One month is a little too long without a post in this thread.

HeavyReign

09-20-2012, 03:52 AM

Much of my recent work has gone into finances. In terms of finances and the cap, you can play with a hard(ish) cap, a soft cap only, or full finances has your owner set your max budget. The system for ticket prices works like it did with Season Ticket Basketball. You can set the average ticket price long with the prices for club seats and luxury suites. You'll have the option to build a new arena or to attempt to move to a new city if your proposal fails in your current city.

In the overall process, here is an idea of what needs to be done:

Interaction between leagues
In game league editors
Team exports/Imports
HTML
Engine Balancing

There are some steps I'm missing but this should give you a general idea. I'll also be looking to add a few more testers in the near future.

Groundhog

09-20-2012, 05:20 AM

If this were facebook I'd totally like that post. :D

britrock88

09-20-2012, 10:53 AM

Woo, update!

korme

10-10-2012, 12:54 PM

BUMP :)

HeavyReign

10-10-2012, 11:10 PM

INDalltheway

10-10-2012, 11:16 PM

Hang in there HR. Obviously that stuff comes first and do whatever it takes to take care of that.

HeavyReign

10-10-2012, 11:58 PM

The other stuff is really a collection of things that I can't do anything about at this point. I think someday a therapist might make a lot off money off me. Maybe at some point after this is done I'll make a thread about it.

Game wise I do like where things are headed.

Groundhog

10-10-2012, 11:59 PM

I'm plugging away on it. Extreme depression and a general feeling like nothing can go right (outside of programming) are killing my concentration but as many of you know that has been happening off and on for years. This has just been a particularly brutal stretch that I can't seem to kick.

You need to keep reminding yourself that you are the Kevin Durant (wanted to say LeBron, but that sorta seems like a backhanded compliment) of text sim programmers. Seriously, you're the best at what you do and that's most certainly something to be proud of. I wish 2K would hire you to do all the sim stuff in their titles.

I would love to see you create a sim on the tablet market because I think it would be a big $ucess, especially if you focused on the multiplayer league aspect of things.

dave731

10-11-2012, 02:08 PM

Praying for you HR...

Mota

10-11-2012, 08:52 PM

I'm plugging away on it. Extreme depression and a general feeling like nothing can go right (outside of programming) are killing my concentration but as many of you know that has been happening off and on for years. This has just been a particularly brutal stretch that I can't seem to kick.

My wife suffers from depression, I see it when she goes through it how hard daily life becomes. I call it the veil that drops over everything. It's so tough, so I feel for ya.

I have to say that your games are just great, so hopefully the work you do with your programming feels fulfilling and helps you through these times. I know that creating while in depression must be really hard.

Scoobz0202

10-11-2012, 08:57 PM

HeavyReign

10-12-2012, 04:42 PM

I definitely appreciate the positive thoughts from everyone. Don't take any of this to mean huge delay. Getting the game done will actually be a huge relief. There's simply a lot of stuff I wanted to include and its taking time to make it all a reality.

APC

10-19-2012, 06:41 AM

Bumping this.

Since my Timberwolves are basically finished already thanks to Rubio's and Love's injuries, this game is pretty much all I have to look forward to for the NBA season.

I'm confident that this game won't let me down like my beloved Woofies and can't wait for its release!

Comey

10-19-2012, 07:01 AM

As I'm going through a bit of a NBA renaissance in my life, I'm looking forward to this too.

Marmel

10-30-2012, 03:56 PM

So, if I am reading this correctly, we can start playing an NBA league in 1980 and moving forward we would get actual draft classes to use? Or I can start a fictional league in 2013 and import FBCB draft classes? Really?

I'll lay down the money for this game today without even having to know a release date.

This has fallen too many pages back so...bump for opening night.

Also, I still can't believe the above will happen. It is too good to be true. ;)

korme

10-30-2012, 09:47 PM

My thoughts exactly.

Philliesfan980

10-31-2012, 06:09 AM

Stop bumping this thread! It's pure torture!

Emmett13

11-04-2012, 05:40 PM

Stop bumping this thread! It's pure torture!

I'm simultaneously violating the wishes of and agreeing with this post.

cougarfreak

11-05-2012, 07:25 AM

Thought I've never played a text sim basketball game, I really would love to get my hands on one that has past seasons. Hoping this gets released.....

INDalltheway

12-01-2012, 12:13 AM

It's late Friday/early Saturday and I want to spend some money on FBPB.

britrock88

12-01-2012, 01:20 AM

It's late Friday/early Saturday and I want to spend some money on FBPB.

:+1:

QuikSand

12-01-2012, 07:33 AM

It's late Friday/early Saturday and I want to spend some money on FBPB.

+1

RedKingGold

12-01-2012, 09:00 AM

Screw my parents and fiance', take my Christmas money, PLEASE.

Marmel

12-01-2012, 02:08 PM

Stop bumping this thread! It's pure torture!

I got all happy seeing this bumped today. What a let down that it was just you guys.:mad:

Emmett13

12-11-2012, 02:40 PM

Looking to disappoint more people by bumping this.

Marmel

12-11-2012, 03:21 PM

Looking to disappoint more people by bumping this.

This deserves a stay in the Penalty Box.

korme

12-11-2012, 08:18 PM

So it was announced in May... maybe we can shoot for an All-Star weekend release?

britrock88

12-11-2012, 08:42 PM

I'll take it whenever I can get it.

Bisbo

12-12-2012, 07:59 AM

I wish the history would go back to the '70s - I am a Wizards fan (sadly).

britrock88

12-12-2012, 10:11 AM

I wish the history would go back to the '70s - I am a Wizards fan (sadly).

It should, according to what HR's talked about! All the way to '46, even?

HeavyReign

12-12-2012, 11:02 PM

The historical stuff goes back into the 40s. The next public step for this will likely be a beta demo which would let you play one season. It would likely only use the 2012 roster file as the goal will be exposing bugs and allowing for potential feedback before it is too late. I just got a big update out to the beta team so now I can look at what exactly needs to be done for the beta demo.

Marmel

12-12-2012, 11:27 PM

:party:

britrock88

12-13-2012, 12:00 AM

WOOT!

korme

12-13-2012, 01:12 PM

:funkychickendance:

sovereignstar v2

12-13-2012, 05:37 PM

:banana:

cubboyroy1826

12-13-2012, 07:48 PM

Suhweet!!

Scoobz0202

12-13-2012, 08:03 PM

HR, you don't offer anyway to pre-order do you?

Groundhog

12-14-2012, 07:43 PM

Excellent!!!! Can't wait!

IlliniCub

12-14-2012, 08:58 PM

No doubt can't wait...When I think I was in middle school I believe when the first fast break came out and loved it and now I'm 26 and eagerly awaiting the next. It's just such a great feeling to see something new by one of the legends of text sims

korme

12-26-2012, 09:25 PM

Christmas bump to ruin everyone's spirits

Groundhog

12-26-2012, 09:59 PM

Ho ho h.... oh.... :(

Neon_Chaos

12-27-2012, 02:05 AM

Can FOFC be part of the beta team? Hmmmmmm?

Emmett13

12-27-2012, 03:00 AM

Christmas bump to ruin everyone's spirits

Ooh, this was a nice one.

korme

01-01-2013, 03:18 PM

Bump for New Years :)

Emmett13

01-01-2013, 04:22 PM

Got me again.

korme

01-07-2013, 10:13 PM

heavy, just so you know my birthday is March 4. Thanks! :thumbsup:

nilodor

01-08-2013, 11:52 AM

heavy, just so you know my birthday is March 4. Thanks! :thumbsup:

At this rate you might not make it to that birthday.

korme

01-08-2013, 12:20 PM

what kind of ominous statement is that???

chinaski

01-08-2013, 12:59 PM

Missed this earlier, cant wait for the game HR.

HeavyReign

01-09-2013, 03:45 PM

I've uploaded a beta demo to give people a chance to experiment with the game and report any suggestions or issues they run into. Get it here:

http://www.fbbgames.com/Fbpb3DemoSetup.exe

I'll try and post fixes for any key issues that show up. This will allow you to play using the 2012 player file or fictional players and the 2012 league file.

Emmett13

01-09-2013, 04:22 PM

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

01-09-2013, 04:32 PM

YES!!! :-)

nol

01-09-2013, 04:36 PM

Cue the "shut up and take my money" gifs.

FBPro

01-09-2013, 04:50 PM

Whoo hoo!!!!!

Groundhog

01-09-2013, 04:51 PM

*launches remote desktop connection from iPad at work to PC at home, downloads file, installs....*

Oh man, can't wait to get home tonight...

Emmett13

01-09-2013, 06:09 PM

sovereignstar v2

01-09-2013, 06:43 PM

Basic NBA Logos (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?1q0hdf1ds65kpab)

Overwrite files in here --> C:\Program Files (x86)\GDS\Fast Break Pro Basketball 3 Demo\images\logos

http://i47.tinypic.com/soybex.jpg

http://i49.tinypic.com/4goya.jpg

Scoobz0202

01-09-2013, 07:25 PM

I get this whenever I try to hit "Process Day" during the first day of free agency.

http://i.imgur.com/TfWKK.jpg?1

HeavyReign

01-09-2013, 08:09 PM

Fix for error 13 is here and I have updated the full download as well:

http://www.fbbgames.com/FBPB3DemoUpdate1.exe

The engine stuff will be part of my final sweep. Assists being low is the most obvious one. Basically feel free to provide any feedback that comes to you and I'll sort it all out.

Players do have the hometowns stored but I'll figure out a way of displaying it as well.

Each player does get an injury prone rating. I should add that to the editors as well.

nol

01-09-2013, 08:44 PM

Initial Thoughts: (after 3 simmed seasons, two NBA file, one fictional_

Assists seem too low, the leaders have been between 7 and 8, and the rest of the leaderboard seems pretty deflated. 5.5 assists a game was good for 4th in the fictional league. Don't know if that would be an engine or a player generation issue.

Perhaps add where a player is from, particularly with foreign players, if for no other reason than immersion.

Is there any sort of injury prone rating?

FG% has been too high in all of sims so far. The top teams are about right, 47-49% as a team, but it should drop off quickly after that. I believe the NBA's FG% the last 5 seasons (including this one), 44.7, 44.8, 45.9, 46.1, 45.9. In the game there are only about 5 teams that shoot below what the average should be.

Three point shooting seems high as well, one team the last 5 years has shot over 40% as a team. 6 did it in one sim, 5 in another.

I know many of these are just engine things, and the engine might be towards the bottom of your list of priorities, but those are the things I tend to gravitate towards.

I noticed the assists thing as well. I feel like this is an issue where the ratings don't match the engine, especially when it comes to 3-point specialists. I think players' HND rating is too closely related to their turnovers. Someone like Mike Miller hardly turns it over not because he's an amazing ballhandler, but because he either shoots an open 3 or makes a safe pass immediately upon getting the ball. So you see players like these scoring a much higher percentage of their points from lay-ups and unassisted jumpers than they would in real life because in the engine, HND is likely something that determines whether a player can get to a more optimal location with the ball.

Another rating that might be off in this regard is JPS. It's kind of counterintuitive because if Steve Novak is a good 3-point shooter, then it stands to reason that he'd also be good at shooting from closer in. The only problem is that he can't create those looks for himself due to a lack of strength/athleticism and ball-handling ability.

tl;dr There might need to be some ratings tweaks to account for the fact that most shooting specialists need to have their looks created for them by more dynamic/athletic players. Otherwise you have stuff like Boston having Rondo come off the bench so it can start a backcourt of Leandro Barbosa and Jason Terry.

MizzouRah

01-09-2013, 08:51 PM

Very nice!

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

01-09-2013, 09:42 PM

On the draft screen, when I sort by offense, it will tell me a person has certain skills like a 10 on inside, but then when I click him he is a 2/a. (i use the 1-10 ratings system)

Also every time I click a new sort method on the draft screen, the names reset so I cant easily see how a a bunch of people look on offense and defense all at once.

Nevertheless, I am super psyched that the game is getting closer to release!

Neon_Chaos

01-09-2013, 10:11 PM

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/106/887/backpain-1292835351.jpg

MizzouRah

01-09-2013, 10:25 PM

On the draft screen, when I sort by offense, it will tell me a person has certain skills like a 10 on inside, but then when I click him he is a 2/a. (i use the 1-10 ratings system)

Me too.

I noticed I don't have any ratings in coaching/scouting/etc.. maybe that has something to do with it?

Neon_Chaos

01-09-2013, 10:29 PM

I notice that teams usualy Sign and Waiver a player numerous times in a given month. See LAC and Oliver Bell.

2012 USBL Waivers

Date Team Action
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
02/25/13 Minnesota Waived PF Robert Lotz
01/07/13 Toronto Waived PG Melchor Lora
01/07/13 Toronto Waived SF Eldridge Haworth
01/05/13 Toronto Waived PG Marcos Pauley
01/01/13 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/30/12 Toronto Waived PG Hugh Sather
12/29/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/26/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/23/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/20/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/17/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/14/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/11/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/08/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/05/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
12/02/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
10/30/12 Los Angeles (LAC) Waived SG Oliver Bell
10/30/12 Chicago Waived PG Tadeo Cascos
10/30/12 Charlotte Waived PG Everett Dexter
10/30/12 Minnesota Waived SG Jerry Greenhaw
10/30/12 Toronto Waived PG Hugh Sather
10/30/12 Orlando Waived PG Marcos Pauley
10/30/12 New Orleans Waived PF Kenneth Marvin

Neon_Chaos

01-09-2013, 10:29 PM

Also, viewing Transactions by Team does not work.

korme

01-09-2013, 10:44 PM

First reaction, jumped into the editor.

I love the league options. Host country, region, team locations (national, continental, global), especially because Stern is positive there will be teams in Europe by the next decade. The ideas running through my head...

korme

01-09-2013, 11:12 PM

On the FA screen, it says "Sumbit Offer". Should be Submit.

It would be nice if the waiver wire listed which team the currently waived player was playing for... also, are waivers working? I've put in claims and nothing happens.

Transactions, trades screen lists the first team listed (in this case, Atlanta Hawks) as the team that makes every transaction. For instance it says Hawks trade LaMarcus Aldridge for Kris Humphries. Then, next line it says Hawks trade Kris Humphries for LaMarcus Aldridge. Hawks, of course have neither of these players.... looks like this problem only occurs if transactions have been made before team names are entered into database.

All-Star selections don't record as achievements on player pages. No Finals MVP

In game play fouling needs some tweaking. 2 starters had 2 fouls with 8 min to play in 1st quarter and weren't subbed out.

Baby tweaks.

MizzouRah

01-09-2013, 11:18 PM

Someone give me the color code breakdown.

korme

01-10-2013, 12:45 AM

Best to worst - Blue Green Yellow Orange Red

Emmett13

01-10-2013, 02:18 AM

In the 'how tedious can your suggestions be' category: In the list of a player's career bests, I think aesthetically it would look better if it was listed ALL of the season high, then all of the career, then all of the playoff. They way they are mixed right now is kind of confusing to look at, to me.

Are the coaching ratings such as 'coaching perimeter defense' a rating on developing that skill or its effectiveness in-game?

HeavyReign

01-10-2013, 02:21 AM

On the draft screen, when I sort by offense, it will tell me a person has certain skills like a 10 on inside, but then when I click him he is a 2/a. (i use the 1-10 ratings system)

This was simply a bug with using rating systems other than 1-100.

Also every time I click a new sort method on the draft screen, the names reset so I cant easily see how a a bunch of people look on offense and defense all at once.

Not sure I understand what you mean.

HeavyReign

01-10-2013, 02:29 AM

In the 'how tedious can your suggestions be' category: In the list of a player's career bests, I think aesthetically it would look better if it was listed ALL of the season high, then all of the career, then all of the playoff. They way they are mixed right now is kind of confusing to look at, to me.

I'm open to doing it either way. If anyone has a preference let me know.

Are the coaching ratings such as 'coaching perimeter defense' a rating on developing that skill or its effectiveness in-game?

It will be both although the in game effect hasn't been added yet.

Emmett13

01-10-2013, 02:32 AM

Groundhog

01-10-2013, 03:22 AM

Been messing around with setting up foreign leagues, so I created our Australian professional league, complete with its paltry 1 million dollar hard cap. Firstly, love the fact that a majority of the players are generated as Aussies (although I have to go into the edit screen to verify that)! A few comments on what I've seen after a few play-throughs:

1) Custom schedule length looks like it's something that will be added, given the only selection is "normal"?
2) Is it possible to include a restriction on the amount of foreign players per league?
3) The engine seemed to have some quirks with the low salary cap of 1mil. Despite being a hardcap, one of the 'normal' market teams is sitting at 1.6 mil. For smaller leagues it might be handy to have a minimum/maximum contract setting too? It seems guys are either in the $100ks, or around $20k.
4) Is there a way to disable trades for certain leagues?

I have to say though, I am VERY impressed. This looks EXACTLY like what I've been hoping for, I just wish that darn 'END SEASON' button would work!! :D

HeavyReign

01-10-2013, 03:39 AM

The PT numbers on the depth chart are, I'm assuming minutes per game you want that player to play, so do you think at the top or bottom you could have a 'minutes remaining' box? So we can see where we need to adjust to get the full 240 minutes?

Yeah it is basically intended minutes per game. I'll see if I can add something like that. The other factor is making sure enough minutes are allocated to each position.

1) Custom schedule length looks like it's something that will be added, given the only selection is "normal"?

Yeah.

2) Is it possible to include a restriction on the amount of foreign players per league?

This seems necessary given how certain leagues work.

3) The engine seemed to have some quirks with the low salary cap of 1mil. Despite being a hardcap, one of the 'normal' market teams is sitting at 1.6 mil. For smaller leagues it might be handy to have a minimum/maximum contract setting too? It seems guys are either in the $100ks, or around $20k.

I think there might be some issues with the hard cap right now after running a test. I'm not opposed to allowing the min and max contract to be customized.

4) Is there a way to disable trades for certain leagues?

Not yet but it would make sense to be able to set it on a league level.

HeavyReign

01-10-2013, 04:00 AM

The beta demo is updated to version 0.0.3. With the following fixes:

*Now possible to use spaces in league name when starting a new league.
*Fixed error when setting arena capacity to 999999 when making a new arena.
*Sumbit Offer on player contract negotiations now correctly says Submit Offer.
*Fixed incorrect ratings listed on player profile when using ratings displays other than 1-100.
*Fixed incorrect teams listed on transactions screen for trades.
*Fixed team filter on transactions screen.

Get it here or download the full download:
http://www.fbbgames.com/FBPB3DemoUpdate2.exe

Groundhog

01-10-2013, 05:06 AM

How will the Parent/Development league relationship work for league types?

chinaski

01-10-2013, 06:00 AM

All the screens are out of alignment for me, making the game near unplayable. Resolution issue? I run @ 1920x1080

rjolley

01-10-2013, 09:06 AM

I run at 1920x1080 and haven't noticed that. I won't be at my home computer until this evening to check it with the latest build.

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

01-10-2013, 09:26 AM

Not sure I understand what you mean.

Yeah that wasn't particularly well written. Let me try again. I am not at my home computer now, but this was basically how i encountered the bug:

I was on the draft screen. I would click offensive attributes at the top of the screen. Then I would sort by current rating. Then I would see a bunch of players sorted properly. So far so good. But then when I clicked defensive attributes the players I was looking at were gone because the game resorted the players (not sure on what basis).

What I would like is for the same players to stay up on the screen until I specifically click on a specific attribute to re-sort the players.

Hope that is more clear :-)

mgsports

01-10-2013, 10:09 AM

Staff are wrong with Real Roster because Start of Season every team is hiring like a GM and Head Coach and for example Pat Riley is Miami and Jacque Vaughn is Magic Head Coach.
Also in Demo would like to Sim to start of of second season,DL and others being Simed to or even Edit Rosters,the Division team is in and so on but good game and will be buying it.
Like the Trades happening in it.
Also Free Agent period more them 30 days please.

MizzouRah

01-10-2013, 10:59 AM

Best to worst - Blue Green Yellow Orange Red

Thank you.

britrock88

01-10-2013, 11:00 AM

I'm salivating while reading this thread. I wish it weren't such a heavy week at work.

MizzouRah

01-10-2013, 11:02 AM

I run at 1920x1080 and haven't noticed that. I won't be at my home computer until this evening to check it with the latest build.

How do you get it to open to that resolution? (I'm at work, but have been playing it in a small box)

yeah826

01-10-2013, 11:24 AM

rjolley

01-10-2013, 11:45 AM

How do you get it to open to that resolution? (I'm at work, but have been playing it in a small box)

It opens in a small box. I was speaking to not having any problems with the layout at that resolution. I don't know if it can be opened to take up more space.

mgsports

01-10-2013, 12:30 PM

Al Harrington is missing from the Magic but I put him on Magic.
In Player Editor my 2 added Teams are missing so I can't do Jayhawks Rosters without Replacing a Team.
I can't wait for full version.

chinaski

01-10-2013, 12:38 PM

Here's a screenshot of what I am talking about...
http://imgur.com/wzwYj
and one of the player screen
http://imgur.com/4wM1V

all screens are effected by the out of position elements.

Scoobz0202

01-10-2013, 12:41 PM

A total shot in the dark, Chin, but I remember something similar happening to another text sim game. I had to go and change a text setting in my windows. On windows 7 I search "text" in the start menu and click "Make text and other items larger and smaller." In that menu I have chosen small. Maybe that is it?

edit: I have windows 7. Why the fuck did I say windows 8

sovereignstar v2

01-10-2013, 12:44 PM

All the screens are out of alignment for me, making the game near unplayable. Resolution issue? I run @ 1920x1080

I bet your DPI is set to something other than 100%.

Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Display

chinaski

01-10-2013, 01:02 PM

I bet your DPI is set to something other than 100%.

Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Display

That was it, thanks Sov.

Wish I could use 125%, 100% is way to small for me.

korme

01-10-2013, 01:46 PM

HeavyReign

01-10-2013, 02:21 PM

That was it, thanks Sov.

Wish I could use 125%, 100% is way to small for me.

This will depend on which version of Windows you have. If it is Windows 7 you can get away with unchecking the "Use Windows XP style DPI scaling" box and leave it at 125%. Older versions this didn't work.

chinaski

01-10-2013, 02:37 PM

This will depend on which version of Windows you have. If it is Windows 7 you can get away with unchecking the "Use Windows XP style DPI scaling" box and leave it at 125%. Older versions this didn't work.

Thats great, thanks HR.

HeavyReign

01-10-2013, 02:54 PM

In the team editor, when setting markets, is that in relation to the world or the league that it is in?

For instance, if I am making a league in a small country, there are going to be 1 or 2 teams that thrive financially compared to the others. Do I make them Huge markets, and trickle the other teams down comparably, or do I make them Small and the rest Tiny?

It is set in relation to the world.

How will the Parent/Development league relationship work for league types?

Basically each team in the parent league will be assigned a team in the developmental league. You'll be able to send players to that league and then recall them when you need them. You won't have any control over how the player is used while there however.

I was on the draft screen. I would click offensive attributes at the top of the screen. Then I would sort by current rating. Then I would see a bunch of players sorted properly. So far so good. But then when I clicked defensive attributes the players I was looking at were gone because the game resorted the players (not sure on what basis). What I would like is for the same players to stay up on the screen until I specifically click on a specific attribute to re-sort the players.

Ok, got it. This was an issue with specifically sorting by current/future. It should work fine on the other attributes.

Al Harrington is missing from the Magic but I put him on Magic.

He was still listed on Denver because he hasn't appeared in a game this year. I moved everyone that had played and then missed him when doing my double check. There might be a couple more players like this in the roster file.

In Player Editor my 2 add Teams are missing so I can't do Jayhawks Rosters without Replacing a Team.

If you are trying to add to an active league that won't work in the demo. You can add them to the league file using the league file editor then start a new game.

mgsports

01-10-2013, 03:11 PM

I did that but I would like to add Players to the Jayhawks in the Player Editor.

No horry for a Roster Update because I fixed it.

In Demo can DL expand? Can we added Overseas Leagues because I can activated another League but one I saved but same as USA1 with Divisional Changes?

Also where's rule can Trade with other Leagues?

Groundhog

01-10-2013, 04:10 PM

Love the fact that we can set it to automatically grab the FBCB draft files, going to make generating league history a breeze!!

What was the limit on active leagues? So far I've setup the NBDL as well as the div 1 comps in Australia, Spain, and Argentina. Will definitely need to play around with market sizes and salaries however until I get a feel of how it works.

TLK

01-10-2013, 04:32 PM

So, um, how long until a retail version?

Marmel

01-10-2013, 05:58 PM

I'm not a big fan of beta testing games myself, but I still had to download this. Very exciting that we are getting closer. Looks great!!!

jbergey22

01-10-2013, 09:30 PM

Stats look VERY accurate already.

One problem I am seeing.

Kevin Love for some reason comes out 30 seconds into the game for about 3 minutes and sits at the end of close games. The minutes and stats are right in line but when he plays and sits during the games is a bit goofy. You may want to look at the subbing patterns a bit.

I would guess Love isnt a singular issue.

britrock88

01-11-2013, 12:26 PM

I've only run quickly through 1 season, but a couple things I've noticed:

In free agency, it's very hard to tell whether a player is offered a team or player or mutual option.

Players' ability/potential color blocks change from screen to screen. (I'll try to find what screens in particular are different.)

Inactive players record game statistics.

I used Best-of-1 playoff series and got some wonky stuff. Win or lose, the series tally for my human-run team would not update, and my team would also advance.

IlliniCub

01-11-2013, 07:49 PM

TheOhioStateUniversity

01-12-2013, 08:13 AM

Very pleased to see this game returning. A few things that came up as I toyed with the demo.

-Not well versed on the salary cap rules but it appears as though the game is requiring salaries to match exactly when two teams are over the cap. The games that I've played in the past and my understanding of NBA trade rules suggest that they only need to be within a certain percentage of proximity

-It would be nice if you could update the ownership information to reflect the NBA (names, winning, greed level, etc...). Also, is there a way to hard code the impending move of the Kings to Seattle, for the 2013/14 year?

mgsports

01-12-2013, 08:23 AM

It's not final in Kings moving to Seattle and also let the Kings before Sale in Game right off meaning like have a local group,Hansen group and others form other Cities bid to buy the Team.

In Players Information having what Team Drafted them because that help me get Drafted by teams done faster?

If I have other Leagues Active being able to Trade with them?

Also if we have a Saved Player File being Able to add DL to it.

Yes I know he does but Imcorate NCCA into the Game so we can have March Madness and so on.

Also person who has the NDBL,Overseas Leagues in your Game can you posted it Online for people to try.

Balldog

01-12-2013, 09:27 AM

Mgsports he makes a great NCAA game, check it out Fast Break College Basketball

mgsports

01-12-2013, 02:24 PM

What if somebody created a NCCA League in Game then March Madness,Preseason T. and so on can be added to Game and other Game also cost Money and if were include in this Game.

heybrad

01-12-2013, 02:29 PM

Sorry if somebody already mentioned this but I've found that if a player has 5 fouls the game will let him stay in until the point I go to the sub screen. At that point it tells me the player has fouled out and I have to replace him.

Mota

01-12-2013, 02:30 PM

Or you could just buy the Fast Break College Basketball which is an exceptional game and play that!

I'm totally hyped about this release, sounds like there are going to be a TON of options for creating your league.

mgsports

01-12-2013, 03:13 PM

Can't wait to see more Options like how long the Free Agent Period should be like I would set to go to Opening Day,real Staff/Personal and it would be more funner with NCCA in this Game but i still play the Demo.

Shouldn't hire Staff/Personal right at start of Demo and have it be anytime in Demo.

MizzouRah

01-12-2013, 03:53 PM

HeavyReign

01-12-2013, 03:56 PM

What was the limit on active leagues? So far I've setup the NBDL as well as the div 1 comps in Australia, Spain, and Argentina. Will definitely need to play around with market sizes and salaries however until I get a feel of how it works.

For now the game won't limit you on the number of leagues as long as there are less than 32k players or so. I have to think certain sections could end up incredibly slow if it got too big.

I do need to do some work as far as being able to draft foreign players and not sign them right away as well as maybe looking at how the rookies are being supplied to the game. Right now each league gets their own set of rookies basically. I might want to change that so that each region gets a set of rookies and then distribute them according to league prestige.

HeavyReign

01-12-2013, 04:00 PM

I did that but I would like to add Players to the Jayhawks in the Player Editor

If you use the Jayhawks abbreviation whatever that is set to as the player's team in the player file editor then the game should assign those players to them.

In Demo can DL expand? Can we added Overseas Leagues because I can activated another League but one I saved but same as USA1 with Divisional Changes?

You can make additional leagues to test with and run them all. 2 versions of the same league might cause some complications if you are using a player file as well because of how the players get added to the teams.

Also where's rule can Trade with other Leagues?

This is not currently an option.

HeavyReign

01-12-2013, 04:08 PM

So, um, how long until a retail version?

The minimum that I need to do is add in the team exports and html, come up with images for the stuff that just has placeholders right now, and make the manual. The rest depends on how much stuff people find. Some time will go to more work on the engine as well.

HeavyReign

01-12-2013, 04:13 PM

Kevin Love for some reason comes out 30 seconds into the game for about 3 minutes and sits at the end of close games. The minutes and stats are right in line but when he plays and sits during the games is a bit goofy. You may want to look at the subbing patterns a bit.

I would guess Love isnt a singular issue.

Noted.

Not well versed on the salary cap rules but it appears as though the game is requiring salaries to match exactly when two teams are over the cap. The games that I've played in the past and my understanding of NBA trade rules suggest that they only need to be within a certain percentage of proximity.

They should be allowed some margin of error. However I'd also have to check and see if either team is over their team budget.

It would be nice if you could update the ownership information to reflect the NBA (names, winning, greed level, etc...). Also, is there a way to hard code the impending move of the Kings to Seattle, for the 2013/14 year?

I could look at options for setting the owners in the league file as well. I also need to look at adding coach files. The league file editor does allow you to list a new arena in progress including the option to specify a new city.

HeavyReign

01-12-2013, 04:15 PM

Would it be possible to make it so we could see the shooting locs...and player efficiency stats on the player stat page for our team, and not just the league leader screen? It would make it a lot easier to evaluate my own players

I've been meaning to add that. I think I want to combine the roster screen and stats screen into one as that will free up a menu spot to add another option. I'll get that added once I decide how I'm going to proceed.

HeavyReign

01-12-2013, 06:56 PM

http://www.fbbgames.com/FBPB3DemoUpdate3.exe

Fixes:
*Sorts by current/future rating shouldn't change their order when switching between reports.
*Fixed error 9 when adding a player to an empty player file.
*Left menu shouldn't disappear when viewing trade screen.
*Fixed pbp saying halftime at the end of the first quarter
*Fixed cases where team name is supposed to be in pbp but does not appear.
*Fixed team names not listed next to score on coach game screen.
*Shouldn't be possible to save player file player without a name. This caused error 380 when reopening the player.
*Fixed error 9 adding a team to an empty league file.
*Fixed issue with players listing as fouled out on the sub screen with only 5 fouls.
*Players no longer get large stamina bonus at the end of the first quarter.
*Team should be listed in coach transaction history when they take a new job.
*Fixed bug that caused playoff results to not save when simming either a single game or coaching the game.
*Inactive players should not appear in games
*Players with 2 technical fouls should not stay in games.

Changes:
*Added date to box score printout.

Groundhog

01-12-2013, 08:15 PM

I'm wondering the best way to financially represent a European league with no salary cap? Would something like an individual team salary cap based on market size be feasible?

I was also going to comment on height discrepencies in smaller leagues due to the lack of talented bigs, but I think this is an issue that would sort itself out in the full version, with skilled tall players from smaller countries being able to get better contracts from the NBA/bigger Euro competitions than they would locally.

HeavyReign

01-12-2013, 08:20 PM

I'd bet it could be made to work under the constraints of the owner budget. It is mainly a matter of determining what is reasonable based on the income that can be brought in by the franchise and also making sure that each of the income streams makes sense based on the size of the league.

IlliniCub

01-12-2013, 08:41 PM

I am just itching for the day when we can mess around with the league structures I think I will love this feature....Very nice work so far!

Groundhog

01-12-2013, 08:47 PM

In case anyone else is interested, Spanish (Liga ACB), NBDL, and NBL (Australia) leagues attached.

Groundhog

01-12-2013, 08:53 PM

Logo image files:

http://www.filedropper.com/spain
http://www.filedropper.com/nbdl
http://www.filedropper.com/nbl

FBPro

01-12-2013, 08:54 PM

Probably be good to add a prompt to verify when you cut a player just as a safeguard that you've selected the correct player.

Groundhog

01-12-2013, 11:27 PM

For a player's nationality on the player card, would a small jpg flag following the player's college work?

IlliniCub

01-13-2013, 12:01 AM

Any chance of having some sort of international tournament at some point? I love the international aspect of FM......I know the international aspect of basketball is not near as developed or popular as soccer but it might be something cool to think about

Groundhog

01-13-2013, 01:39 AM

Getting a reproducable RTE 9 with the attached CBA league file. Steps:

1) Start new league with only the CBA active, and all default options.
2) Sim FA.
3) Sim to playoffs. RTE generally, though not always, happens following the final game of the season.

HeavyReign

01-13-2013, 01:58 AM

For a player's nationality on the player card, would a small jpg flag following the player's college work?

Something like that wouldn't be too hard to incorporate.

Any chance of having some sort of international tournament at some point? I love the international aspect of FM......I know the international aspect of basketball is not near as developed or popular as soccer but it might be something cool to think about

It would be an option at some future date. I'd want to get the overall international components working better before I moved on to something like that though.

Getting a reproducable RTE 9 with the attached CBA league file

You have 2 conferences but only 1 division so all teams are in the same conference.

Groundhog

01-13-2013, 03:19 AM

You have 2 conferences but only 1 division so all teams are in the same conference.

D'oh... thanks!

Another thing I've noticed is that the NBDL teams are drafting foreign players. Not so sure a $0 contract with boarding and meal allowance is going to be enough of a carrot to lure these guys across. :D

21C

01-13-2013, 05:01 PM

Brian, you mentioned promotion and relegation back in the early days of this thread (posts #10 and #78). Is this still happening? I couldn't find anything related to this in the demo.

I'm interested in seeing how the historical stuff plays out in the full version :)

21C

01-13-2013, 05:26 PM

Also just noticed in Player Stats selecting Totals rather than Averages, when you click on a category like Min or Pts, it correctly sorts on that column but it incorrectly highlights the next column. Everywhere else it works fine.