Vote For The Greatest FOFC Band!

[Chief Rum]

Hello everyone,

This is the voting thread for the just completed Greatest FOFC Band thread. If you have not been following along, here is the draft thread:

FOFC Draft--The Greatest Music Band (http://osatwork.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=84369)

The idea was to pick ten elements of a band and fit them into ten separate categories, with the only real restriction being that band mates could not be picked for the same team.

The Main Categories were:

Lead Singer
Lead Guitarist
Bass Guitarist
Keys
Drummer
Other Instrument
Songwriter
Manager/Producer
Label
Cover Song

The sub-categories that could be used as "sources" for the band members were:

Rock
Pop
Hip Hop
Country
Female
21st century
1990s
1980s
1970s
1960s & Earlier

There were a lot of different interpretations on how to put a band together, and I recommend all of the drafters take advantage of this thread and put out a synopsis for your band strategy and how it all went with the draft. I am sure your individual concepts of how you built your band will help voters determine how to judge your choices.

VOTING

Everyone who wishes to vote here, please pick your top three bands and list them, in order. I will give out 5-3-1 points for first, second and third. You can post ties or what not, but only 9 points total will be given out for each vote entry.

Of course, one voter, one ballot.

Drafters are allowed to vote, but no voting for yourself.

I would welcome "All Star team" submissions, too, opinions on the best picks in each Main category, but that is purely for interesting reading. I will not be putting up an All Star team of band members or tracking those.

I will put up the bands in the next post.

[Chief Rum]

The Bands (in first round drafting order, by category)

BAND NAME: Porcelain Throne Avengers
Drafter: cartman

Lead Singer: Elvis Presley (1960's & Earlier--1.1)
Lead Guitarist: Mike McReady (1990s--8.10)
Bass Guitarist: Kim Gordon (Female--7.1)
Keys: Dave Stewart (1980s--9.1
Drummer: Keith Moon, (Rock--2.10)
Other Instrument: Ian Anderson--Flute (1970s--5.1)
Songwriter: Willie Nelson (Country--3.1)
Manager/Producer: Quincy Jones (Pop--6.10)
Label: iTunes (21st Century--10.10)
Cover Song: "Walk This Way" (Hip Hop--4.10)

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BAND NAME: The Karlifornia Band
Drafter: Karlifornia

Lead Singer: Michael Jackson (Pop--1.2)
Lead Guitarist: Prince (1980s--2.9)
Bass Guitarist: Kim Deal (Female--7.2)
Keys: Elton John (Keys--3.2)
Drummer: ?uestlove (21st Century--8.9)
Other Instrument: Ravi Shankar--Sitar (1960s & Earlier--5.2)
Songwriter: Roger Waters (Rock--6.9)
Manager/Producer: Rick Rubin (Hip Hop--4.9)
Label: MCA Nashville (Country--9.2)
Cover Song: "Under the Bridge" (1990s--10.9)

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BAND NAME: Crimson Fox
Drafter: Crimson Fox

Lead Singer: Robert Plant (Rock--2.8)
Lead Guitarist: David Gilmour (1970s--3.3)
Bass Guitarist: Tina Weymouth (Female--7.3)
Keys: Trent Reznor (Pop--10.8)
Drummer: Neil Peart (1980s--1.3)
Other Instrument: Alison Krauss--Fiddle (Country--9.3)
Songwriter: Pete Townshend (1960s & Earlier--4.8)
Manager/Producer: Dr. Dre (Hip Hop--5.3)
Label: Atlantic Records Group (21st Century--8.8)
Cover Song: "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (1990s--6.8)

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BAND NAME: Piranhaconda
Drafter: NorvTurnerOverDrive

Lead Singer: Mick Jagger (1970s--4.7)
Lead Guitarist: Jimi Hendrix (Rock--1.4)
Bass Guitarist: Les Claypool (1990s--2.7)
Keys: Stevie Wonder (Pop--8.7)
Drummer: John Bonham (Rock--3.4)
Other Instrument: Neil Young--Various (Country--6.7)
Songwriter: Joni Mitchell (Female--5.4)
Manager/Producer: Danger Mouse (Hip Hop--7.4)
Label: Sire Records (1980s--10.7)
Cover Song: "Icky Thump" (21st Century--9.4)

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BAND NAME: Blue Feltvet
Drafter: Grover

Lead Singer: Aretha Franklin (Female--3.5)
Lead Guitarist: Jimmy Page (1970s--2.6)
Bass Guitarist: Victor Wooten (1990s--9.5)
Keys: Ray Charles (Country--8.6)
Drummer: Ginger Baker (1960s & Earlier--4.6)
Other Instrument: Wynton Marsalis--Trumpet (1980s--7.5)
Songwriter: Bob Dylan (Rock--1.5)
Manager/Producer: Phil Spector (Pop--5.5)
Label: Death Row Records (Hip Hop--6.6)
Cover Song: "Rehab" (21st Century--10.6)

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BAND NAME: The Abe Sargent Band
Drafter: Abe Sargent

Lead Singer: Johnny Cash (Country, 1.6)
Lead Guitarist: Stevie Ray Vaughn (1980s--8.5)
Bass Guitarist: John Paul Jones (Pop--7.6)
Keys: Keith Emerson (1970s--5.6)
Drummer: Ringo Starr (Rock--4.5)
Other Instrument: Yoyo-Ma--Cello (21st Century--9.6)
Songwriter: Kurt Cobain (1990s--3.6)
Manager/Producer: Brian Epstein (1960s & Earlier--2.5)
Label: Sun Records (Hip Hop--6.5)
Cover Song: "Heartbreaker" (Female--10.5)

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BAND NAME: The Sicks Tease Icks
Drafter: Julio Riddols

Lead Singer: Freddy Mercury (1970s--1.7)
Lead Guitarist: John Frusciante (Pop--6.4)
Bass Guitarist: Geddy Lee (1980s--2.4)
Keys: Rick Wakeman (Rock--3.7)
Drummer: Dave Grohl (1990s--5.7)
Other Instrument: That 1 Guy--Magic Pipe (21st Century--10.4)
Songwriter: Grace Slick (Female--7.7)
Manager/Producer: Owen Bradley (Country--8.4)
Label: Capital Records (1960s & Earlier--4.4)
Cover Song: "The Message" (Hip Hop--9.7)

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BAND NAME: The larrymcg421 Band
Drafter: larrymcg421

Lead Singer: Dusty Springfield (Female--5.8)
Lead Guitarist: Chuck Berry (Rock--2.3)
Bass Guitarist: John Entwistle (1970s--3.8)
Keys: John Legend (Hip Hop--7.8)
Drummer: Stewart Copeland (1980s--6.3)
Other Instrument: Charlie Daniels--Fiddle (Country--4.3)
Songwriter: John Lennon (1960s & Earlier--1.8)
Manager/Producer: Babyface (Pop--8.3)
Label: Sony BMG (21st Century--9.8)
Cover Song: "One" (1990s--10.3)

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BAND NAME: Stallion
Drafter: Suicane75

Lead Singer: Janis Joplin (Female--5.9)
Lead Guitarist: Eddie Van Halen (1980s--6.2)
Bass Guitarist: Bootsy Collins (Hip Hop--7.9)
Keys: Jerry Lee Lewis (Rock--2.2)
Drummer: Roger Taylor (Pop--9.9)
Other Instrument: Bill Monroe--Mandolin (Country--4.2)
Songwriter: Bruce Springsteen (1970s--3.9)
Manager/Producer: T-Bone Burnett (21st Century--8.2)
Label: Motown Records (1960 & Earlier--1.9)
Cover Song: "November Rain" (1990s--10.2)

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BAND NAME: The Leeks
Drafter: britrock88

Lead Singer: Roy Orbison (Country--9.10)
Lead Guitarist: Jack White (21st Century--3.10)
Bass Guitarist: Flea (1990s--1.10)
Keys: Ray Manzarek (Rock--8.1)
Drummer: Carl Palmer (1970s--6.1)
Other Instrument: Afrika Bambaataa--DJ (Hip Hop--2.1)
Songwriter: Paul McCartney (1960s & Earlier--5.10)
Manager/Producer: Brian Wilson (Pop--7.10)
Label: Def Jam (1980s--4.1)
Cover Song: "I Feel the Earth Move" (Female--10.1)

[Buccaneer]

1 Cartman
2 Suicane75
3 Grover

[Chief Rum]

Okay, bands are loaded up. Drafters, please reiew the above post and let me know if I need to make any changes.

VOTING IS NOW OPEN!!!

[Chief Rum]

Bucc's will count, of couse. ;)

[Marmel]

1) Crimson Fox (Crimson Fox)
2) Piranhaconda (NorvturnerOverdrive)
3) The Abe Sargent Band (Abe Sargent)

[CrimsonFox]

Forgive the indulgence as I introduce you my new act...

[CrimsonFox]

First there was Led Zeppelin, then there was Pink Floyd, now experience the sound of....Crimson Fox
The progressive sound that will shatter your soul...

When we were given the task of forming a band and choose a song for them to sing, I jumped at the chance. I take music very seriously and there was only direction I wanted to go, that of what I like....rock, more specifically progressive rock and hard rock, rock with a purpose. Music that takes you places, that lets you breathe it in and seeps into every pore of your body and words that have real meaning. Poetry. A complete experience. And above all there must be talent. Legitimate talent. Not just fame and looks and fancy dance moves. Fame doesn’t equal talent. But utter credibility at each instrument including voice. I didn’t actually remember about voting when we started. Just wanted to form a dreamband, or at least one of them. A cohesive unit.Not just a bunch of megastars forced together. A band, with members at the top of their game that would complement each other (and of course having to fill out all the categories including thevery challenging Hip Hop, Country, etc with people from those genres). An experience you could easily picture. A believable and once-in-a-lifetime band.

Lead Singer - Robert Plant (from Led Zeppelin)

For a front man, I picked Robert Plant from Led Zeppelin. There is no one else that sings like him. He rocks like no one else. Such immense power in his voice. Can blast high notes like no one’s business without even having to work up to them. Also sing with such raw emoition and charge. Even in slower quieter moments brings you into his world and takes you on a journey.

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I just have to go with my gut, my first choice, and one of my definite favorites...

Soundscapes, imagery, aggression, stories, innovation, beautiful atmospheres, tons of technique, silence, ...

David Gilmour, Lead Guitarist (from Pink Floyd)

If he can teach guitar to the legendary bandmembers he plays with then he can lead my band. Guitar solos? It's hard to call what he does merely guitar solos. Guitar stories is more like.

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For bass, I had my pick in mind early. After Lee and Entwistle there was only one other thought and it didn't even matter that it filled the challenging female category for me.

The female half of the husband-wife rhythm section of Talking Heads.


Tina Weymouth, Bass Guitarist, Female (from Talking Heads)

Tons of cred. In a group described as post-punk, white-funk, and new wave. Influenced by punk, R&B and funk. And one of the bands that frequently played the famous CBGB's with other punk pioneers like the Ramones. Listen to the driving, heartpumping bass on "Psycho Killer".

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And when the band went on hiatus, she and her husband formed the rhythmic group The Tom Tom Club making grooving hits like "Genius of Love", which became one of the most sampled tracks ever in hiphop and pop.

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Trent Reznor, Keys (Nine Inch Nails, Solo)

Stormed into the mainstream and pretty much invented his own music genre in sound on keyboards and other instruments. Very hard-edged and ecclectic. Changes from hard to soft to in between. Many sounds of techno,rock, somewhat dark dance music, and his own genre: industrial like making music by banging things around. Aside form nine inch nails has worked with many other stars contibuting to their hits (like one of his idols David Bowie). Most of his music sounds menacing or brooding. LIke Gilmore he can appreciate building music along its path and revelling in moments of silence. And not only a presence in the music industry, but also a presence in other popculture venues like video games and movie soundtracks, like that little score he made for The Social Network that he won a little oscar for.

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Neal Peart, Drums (from Rush)

Ladies and Gentlemen, the Professor on the drumkit! When you want a rock band, you start with the best damn drummer you can find and there is none better. Drummers and rockers near and far call him the one and only rock god of drummers and he’s got the machismo to prove it. He invented a new vocabulary on the drums. A progressive power feast for the ears. He doesn’t just keep the rhythm (which he does perfectly) but he adds his own melodies into the songs he plays. And he often pays tribute to one of his idols Buddy Rich in his concert drum solos. Storming the 80s with two smash albums Permanent Waves (with songs like Sprit of Radio and Freewill) and Moving Pictures (Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, Limelight, and the ultimate instrumental YYZ) that definitely thrust them into the mainstream yet without compromise of vision or musicianship, Peart and Rush invented their own musical language continually mastering meter, time signature changes, and even adding in beats from other genres and making them rock...really hard. And he surrounds himself with any percussion instrument you can think of to add the sounds he need. To top it off he’s just brilliant, being an avid reader and writer, and (something that is rare in rock), he’s a darn nice guy.

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Alison Krauss - Other Instrument (Violin/fiddle) (from Union Station/solo)

A multigrammy winner who brought bluegrass into the public both in the 90s and in the 00's, especially with the groundbreaking huge soundtrack for O Brother Where Art THou?, of which she was a huge contributor.

Very easy and thoughtful on the fiddle. Doesn't play it like a country howdown but as a beautiful soundscape that contributes to the music and the song. Can easily hear her blending with Gilmour on his slide or acoustic or even rocking out on electric.

Songwriter – Pete Townshend (from The Who)
For my songwriter choice, it's easy.

You want your hardrocking hits? He wrote a chain of top 10 hits from 65-69.
You want your punky-rocky anthems? Yeah he's got em (like My Generationand We’re Not Gonna Take It) and will smash his guitar in your face at the end.
You want long thoughtful progressive masterpieces? Yeah how about a double-album concept rock opera in Tommy in 1969.

Pete was so skilled (and a bit OCD) as a songwriter, While other songwriters would usually just strum demos on a guitar, he would produce complete very polished songs, playing every instrument, which he would play to the rest of the band as the "demo". (which they would then insert their own style to). He later actually released all of his demos on an album. And Pete’s got angst to burn thanks to a fairly screwed-up childhood so he can write for hard progressive rock for sure.

Dr Dre, Producer

I had to pick a hip-hop category so why not go for the best and most influential picks of the genre.
There probably isn't a bigger influence on hiphop ever. The cat has started sooo many megastars' careers (including Snoop Dogg, 50 cent, and Eminem to name a few). Without him, I don't think we'd still have hiphop today. It probably would have gone back to the streets and still be called "rap". Was a tough category for sure but I wanted to pick someone legitimately from the genre and not someone merely R&B and call it hiphop. I don’t think that’s the same. But this guy really is a genius of a producer and I really think he could produce anything. At least I know it will keep in line with the hard edge I want for this band.

Atlantic Records Group, Label

The House that Ahmet built! The icon Atlantic famed in Hard Rock, progressive, R&B, pop, and jazz merges with Elektra and others in 2004 to become Atlantic Records Group and continues to house stars of rock, pop, hiphop, jazz, and r&b

Major artists like The Darkness, Cee Lo Green, Jay-Z, PDiddy, Rush, Stone Temple Pilots and scores of others.

Sadly the great Ahmet Ertigan (cofounder and CEO) died in 2006 but oh what a sendoff they gave him.
This label takes care of artists, not just poppy bands, but bands that really want to put out work that means something.

For a Song which is to be the "first cover song our band releases" (as it was explained to us) it must blend power and emoition and give these great instrumentalists room to leave their mark on it...

For the category I had to fill, there is only one song, there is only one...

It would be a thing of beauty indeed to see Plant, Peart, Reznor, and Gilmore wailing and rocking out on...

Smells Like Teen Spirit, Cover Song

Obviously a megahit, but so much more. A song of raw power, angst, and raw emotion yet with a lot of meaning and room for lots of interpretation throughout. Cobain himself said he wasn’t much of a guitarist and couldn’t think of anything else to do for the guitar solo but the melody. Now give that guitar solo to the mindbending sounds of Gilmore and Krauss, with the keyboard powers of Reznor (not to mention amazing blending of vocals with Plant), all wrapping their sounds around each other. And add Weymouth’s funky pumping bass alongside the professor Neil Peart’s hard rocking multilayered drum sound. And overtop it all the wailing righteousness of Plant soaring on the chorus, brooding sexily on the verses, and adding his trademark heavy-breathing and slow wailing burn from the likes of “Whole Lotta Love”. This song just became a 9 minute progressive rock masterpiece and I can hear everyone of these fitting into it. Experience the Fox! The Crimson Fox!

And now listen to the sounds of the other bands! Can't wait to hear their intros!

[Subby]

1. Piranhaconda
2. The Leeks
3. The Sicks Tease Icks

[Young Drachma]

1. The Karlifornia Band
2. Blue Feltvet
3. Piranhaconda

[corbes]

1. Karlifornia
2. Blue Feltvet
3. Abe Sargent

[Autumn]

1. NorvTurnerOverdrive
2. Grover
3. Karlifornia

[Autumn]

I voted for three, but I loved looking over all the bands, this was a really fun draft, with a different feel than most. A lot of fantastic choices.

[tarcone]

1) The Abe Sargent Band
2) Piranhaconda
3) Crimson Fox

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

1. suicane
2. britrock
3. crimsonfox

suicane and brit were neck and neck but the sheer spectacle that is sui's team could not be ignored.

thx to all that participated. i had grown indifferent to music of late and this rekindled my interest.

[Grover]

1. NorvTurnerOverdrive
2. Julio Riddols
3. Suicane75

[Grover]

BAND NAME: Blue Feltvet
Drafter: Grover

Lead Singer: Aretha Franklin (Female--3.5)
Why Aretha? I wanted someone with a powerful singing voice that could fit into a number of ranges and styles. For this, I could think of no better singer than the Queen of Soul. It also helped that I was going for a jazzy/bluesy feel with the overall makeup of the group.

Lead Guitarist: Jimmy Page (1970s--2.6)
On the shortlist of greatest rock lead guitarists of all time. I thought he was a no-brainer at this position in the second round. Had other plans for guitarist, but Page was too good for me to pass up.

Bass Guitarist: Victor Wooten (1990s--9.5)
Virtuoso. Can play any style and is a pure technical genius. There are very few bassists alive or dead that can match the skill of Victor Wooten. Jaco Pastorius, Marcus Miller are two of maybe four or five that have Victor's talent.

Keys: Ray Charles (Country--8.6)
Continuing my blues/jazz vibe, Ray was shoehorned into the Country category because of his fantastic Modern Sounds in Country and Western Music album, generally considered not only his best studio work, but is often cited as one of the greatest country albums ever recorded. Outside of that, Ray's skills on the piano were exactly what I was looking for.

Drummer: Ginger Baker (1960s & Earlier--4.6)
Baker is best known for his drumming with 1960's psychedelic rock/blues supergroup Cream and for being one of the pioneers of the drum solo. He is part of the holy trinity of 60s and 70s drummers along with Keith Moon and John Bonham. Taking him one pick after Ringo Starr was an absolute steal. As a plus, Baker himself prefers to be considered a jazz percussionist.

Other Instrument: Wynton Marsalis--Trumpet (1980s--7.5)
Taking Marsalis is was another pick I was proud of because he fit the style I wanted and helped lend further credibility to what I would later pick as my cover song. Marsalis is a giant in the modern day jazz world and absolutely dominated the Grammy Awards for jazz in the 1980s.

Songwriter: Bob Dylan (Rock--1.5)
Has there ever been a more important or more influential songwriter in the history of modern music? A good number of Bob Dylan's songs are known better because they were major hits for bands that covered them. Jimi Hendrix's "All Along the Watchtower" is widely considered one of the best cover songs of all time. Do some research and you can even find a list of "The 40 best Bob Dylan covers" and it stretches across all mediums and genres of music. Dylan was a visionary. There were only two other songwriters on my list that I had to have if I didn't get Dylan.

Manager/Producer: Phil Spector (Pop--5.5)
Creator of the Wall of Sound. Number one singles and top 40 hits galore. Spector was a giant in the world of producing. This was an easy pick and an easy way to get past an otherwise tricky Pop category.

Label: Death Row Records (Hip Hop--6.6)
Dr. Dre, Tupac and Snoop Dogg. That's all I need to say about Death Row Records.

Cover Song: "Rehab" (21st Century--10.6)
Yes, the late Amy Winehouse hit, Rehab. I imagine a big re-working of this fantastic song. There's room for a bluesy Jimmy Page guitar solo, but the main reason for picking this song is I felt like Aretha Franklin would completely own it and make it her own. Amy's voice was a callback to the days of soul. This was the perfect song to fit Aretha's singing style. She would make it a true hit of her own.



I want to thank Chief for running the draft and the other nine participants for joining in. This was a thoroughly enjoyable experience. Seeing everyone's take on various bands, musicians and what categories they fit into was a ton of fun.

[Suicane75]

The case for Stallion.

Ok, so my first pick was Motown and it was a rather easy pick. There just isn't a more iconic label in history, it crosses races and genders, young and old. Say Motown to anyone and they'll know what you're talking about. At this point I was drafting for status, not for the band as a functioning unit.

Pick two was probably a mistake on my part. A mistake I don't mind, but a mistake none the less. In picking keys I took away my rock category and felt hamstringed. As far as rock keyboardists go he's a pioneer and a great one. I'm not unhappy with this pick but at the same time it was around here that I started to think of my band as a unit and wondered if I had pigeon holed myself.

Pick three was Springsteen as songwriter which didn't seem to get a lot of love. To me the span of albums he wrote between 75-82 stands up there with best stretch in music history and he hasn't been exactly shabby since. This pick was spurned more of personal love and figuring that if I'm gonna have all these great musicians playing together, they should be songs that give them all a chance to shine. Jerry Lee Lewis playing keys in some of those songs just gives me a boner.

Pick four I wavered again and went back to status. Bill Monroe invented Bluegrass. He invented an entire genre. I don't know where he fits into my bands songs but wherever it is I bet he makes it sound like it belongs there as much as any other instrument involved.

Round five is when I start rounding my band into shape and deciding that yes indeed, I'm doing this to form a cohesive unit more than to collect a band. Joplin is my lead singer. There's just no other choice for what I wanted to do, which was make an iconic song. At this point most of the drummers were gone and though Roger Taylor headed my list, it was deep enough that I could wait on picking one.

Round six was Eddie Van Halen who in this alternate universe is not afraid of keys. As the style and song I wanted the band to perform formed in my head I kept coming back to the image of Eddie in an early Van Halen video smiling into the camera while he riffed. I wanted that in my band, Janis belting out the blues while Eddie wailed away.

I watched a few bassists roll off the board in round 7 and smiled everytime one of them wasn't named Bootsy Collins, who fell into my lap at the end of the seventh round. I had Bootsy on my mind in the previous two rounds but shyed away as I scrambled to think how he would fit into my band, I even looked around for less known funk bassist who maybe weren't quite as funky as Bootsy. In the end though I had to take him of course and figured screw it, why wonder if he can accommodate the rest and just imagine the rest of the group accommodating him.

Round eight was T-Bone Burnett, my producer. I figured he'd be gone by the time it got back around to me. The records he produces tend not to match up with my label or music style but as a multiple Grammy winner I figure he can figure it out pretty well.

Round nine was an easy pick considering I would have made it 4 rounds earlier. I needed a drummer and I needed a harmony for Joplin. I considered a few but Taylor was heads and tails above as far as the group makeup and status. I had spent most of that day looking for songs that he could shine on and I eventually landed upon....

Pick ten. November Rain as my cover song. I probably settled on 8 different songs during this process. Agreeing they were the chosen one only to start my search anew "just in case" and settle on a completely different tune. In the end I went with a song that was already iconic and would lend itself easier to others hearing what I heard. To me it has everything. It's bombastic, every instrument shines, Eddie and Janis especially. Taylor gets to do his opus work and there is so much whine in the guitar work that you can practically hear an electric mandolin dancing right along with it. The keys don't rock the way you'd imagine Lewis doing it but in a reimagined world with a bluesier twinge and a little faster pace, who knows. Stripped down it's such a blues song that in this alternate universe you can almost picture the entire band, mirror balls over head, performing this song for the Motown label, with that Mandolin crying along.


So that's my draft, I think I have easily one of best bands based on talent and I think I have a song that incorporates the label and the other artist, 3 rockers and a funkmaster with enough soul to bridge the gap between Motown and a Mandolin.


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Taken From Stallions Fake Wiki Page

Stallion formed in 1967 when American student Eddie Van Halen, while traveling abroad, hooked up with local drummer Roger Taylor. The duo released two experimental albums in the Spring and Summer of 1968 that featured only Van Halens guitar and Taylors drums. Very sparse vocals by Taylor on the 2nd album are the only singing on the two releases.

The 2 traveled to America during the summer of love to record their 3rd album. While not yet an official member of the band, bassist Bootsy Collins added to 3 of the albums 4 lengthy tracks. Making the record in Philadelphia opened Taylor and Van Halen to a new direction, one that would see them add Collins officialy, add piano virtuso Jerry Lee Lewis, a white man who grew up in the and emplow a lead singer for the first time, a woman, Janis Joplin. In the spring of 1971 the group released Swinglight, a tighter, more song driven record. Two more record would follow in 1972 and 1973, both focusing on a blusier fusion of their earlier, harder, experimental sound.

In the spring of 1974 the group was signed by the Motown label and embarked on their most ambitious album to date. Bill Monroe was added to the group and his mandolin was used to help soothe the power of Van Halens signature guitar work. 6 months of recording spawned the sparse yet tight, guitar driven blues record, Torch.

The record was greeted with strong reviews but what stood out to nearly all who listened to it was the whopping 9 minute final track. November Rain was a funky, ethereal song that all at once encompassed every musical realm. Lewis ushers in the song as if he's welcoming us to a really friendly version of hell. Joplins vocals soon follow with a pleading anger and from there the song just takes off in so many wonderful directions. At times it seems as if Van Halen and Monroes instruments are screaming at each other. Taylors drums and backing vocals come like a cry from back on earth and when it all starts to die down deep into minute 6 we take a breath, only to be knocked off our seats by the resounding crescendo of begging wails as Collins and Joplin go back and forth.

Following an extensive tour the band went on sabbatical and regrouped in 1978 to record Battleship, a more rock driven record. Joplins drug addiction and Monroe and Van Halens deteriorating health caused lengthy delays in recording and the album was released to modest praise in July of 1980.

Following a shortened tour in support of the record, Joplin entered rehab. Bill Monroe passed away in late 1981.

Collins left the band prior to the recording of their 1982 self titled album. During this time Joplins drug issue resurfaced and many feel the album suffered as a result. While on sabbatical, in March of 1984, Joplin would kill herself in a hotel room in Italy. 6 Months later Van Halen succumbed to throat cancer.

Taylor, Collins and Lewis have both recorded a number of solo albums, often playing on each others records.

During live shows the three are also prone to breaking out old Stallions songs.

No official reunion is planned.




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[Pyser]

1-karlifornia
2-norvturneroverdrive
3-julioriddols

[britrock88]

It was a great draft, and we have ten pretty great bands at the end of it.

[Chief Rum]

So your band name is Stallion? I will change that in the post above.

[SteveMax58]

Man...really tough to choose between all of these. I thought about putting ties across the board but thought that would be lame. So...this was the best I could do to trim the list down for me.

1. suicane
T-2. crimson fox
T-2. cartman
3. NorvTurnerOverdrive

[lighthousekeeper]

1. Karlifornia
2. Grover
3. Cartman

Karlifornia's group is a real masterpiece.

[Lathum]

1. NorvTurner
2. Karlifornia
3. Neil Pert

Amazed at some of the drummers left off. Lars, Mike Portney, Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa, people missed out here IMO.

[lcjjdnh]

1.) Grover
2.) Norv
3.) Karl

[Swaggs]

1. Abe Sargent
2. Suicane
3. Cartman

[The Jackal]

1) Grover
2) Abe Sargent
3) Crimson Fox

[path12]

1) Karlifornia
2) Abe Sargent
3) larrymcg421

[EagleFan]

One wasn't 90's, it was 80's.

[EagleFan]

dola: Nevermind, was thinking different "One"; just found it in the other thread.

[JonInMiddleGA]

1- suicane
2- crimson fox
T3 - NorvTurnerOverDrive
T3 - grover


I thought suicane came close to lapping the field here, and crimson was never really threatened for second. A photo finish for third.

[thesloppy]

1. suicane
2. norvturneroverdrive
3. larrymcg421

[jbergey22]

1.Norvturneroverdrive
2.CrimsonFox
3.Suicane

Just wanted to give a shout to Abe as between him and Suicane it was a very tough choice. I think everyone did a fine job. The 4 that I noticed was more personal preference in music.

[sabotai]

1. The Leeks (britrock88)
2. The Sicks Tease Icks (Julio Riddols)
3. Blue Feltvet (Grover)

[CrimsonFox]

dola: Nevermind, was thinking different "One"; just found it in the other thread.


And i'm really not sure WHICH ROger Taylor drummer is being used. Queen's or Duran Duran's. :)

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

britrock's not getting enough love :( if i was stranded on a desert island and could only have one album it would be britrock's

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

imo, karl would sell the most records by a large margin. brit would be the critical darling. suicane would be the show you can't miss because good or bad, all hell could break loose.

[BYU 14]

1-Piranhaconda

2-Crimson Fox

3-The Sicks

[jbergey22]

imo, karl would sell the most records by a large margin. brit would be the critical darling. suicane would be the show you can't miss because good or bad, all hell could break loose.

I think youd be the critical darling. Neil Young is your "other instument" which makes it very clear that you have a loaded and diverse band. Not to mention the most talented guitar player in history.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

I think youd be the critical darling. Neil Young is your "other instument" which makes it very clear that you have a loaded and diverse band. Not to mention the most talented guitar player in history.
be good live. with mick chicken-walking all over the place during jimi's solos. i think britrock would make a better album though.

[britrock88]

britrock's not getting enough love :( if i was stranded on a desert island and could only have one album it would be britrock's

No worries, I feel it from the handful who have tipped their hats my way.

If I could win one award, I'd like it to be the value pick of the draft, with Macca at #50.

[britrock88]

Let me throw 3 points a piece at:

Norv
Grover
Abe

[britrock88]

And I'm still in for a second draft.

[Izulde]

1. Grover
2. Suicane
3. Karlifornia

Abe Sargent almost made the top 3, but I hate Kurt Cobain and find Nirvana's songs terrible.

[rowech]

1. Crimson Fox
2. NorvTurnerOverdrive
3. Suicane75

[Comey]

1. Grover
2. Crimson Fox
3. Suicane

[kcchief19]

1. Crimson Fox
2. Stallion
3. Bitrock88

[rockboy70]

1. Norvturneroverdrive
2. CrimsonFox
3. Grover

[Easy Mac]

1 Piranhaconda
2 The Leeks
3 The Karlifornia Band

[Julio Riddols]

I like the spread in the votes. Looking over past votes, it has been a lot less spread out. One could probably make an argument for any of these bands to be the best.

There were some wildcards in my band, I think they need an explanation.

First, our producer/manager, Owen Bradley - He was known for being very progressive and always trying to advance music.. Even though he was a country producer, I think his progressive attitude fits this band, mostly full of progressive musicians. His goal in this particular group is just to ensure the sound of each member complements the band as well as their own body of work.

Our "other" musician, That 1 Guy, is probably the biggest wildcard in the draft. However, it is his versatility as a musician, and his virtuosity in creating his own musical instrument to fit that versatile style makes him very valuable. His "Magic Pipe" can be played as a drum, a violin, a bass, and a keyboard of sorts with sounds patched through various parts of the instrument.

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Needless to say, he adds to the band in various capacities.

Then you have the label and cover song. Capitol was the company that brought us the Beatles. To me that qualifies them, as the Beatles were one of the most progressive bands ever, and probably the most influential.

Add to all that the band covering "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash, reimagined as a 12-15 minute long proggy head trip of a song where the surreal meets harsh reality. Flash's universal and still relevant lyrics especially lend themselves to this band and the style of music. I imagine the voice of Freddie Mercury doing this song over the music this band can produce and I find myself really wishing that I could hear it. The chorus is so iconic it would be instantly recognizable even though it would sound completely different.

I don't think the rest of the band needs an introduction. Their styles all fit together nice and snug. Aside from Wakeman, they all sing and each has a very distinct vocal style. If the band were a reality, I'd be stoked.

[Chief Rum]

Let me throw 3 points a piece at:

Norv
Grover
Abe

britrock, could you please clarify your vote? Are you saying you're voting Norv, Grover and Abe for first in a three way tie?

[Chief Rum]

For the record, I am going to keep voting open through Thursday morning, and then post results Thursday afternoon/evening.

So get your votes in by Wednesday if you want to be sure to be counted.

[Chief Rum]

The Bumpty dance is your chance to do the Bump

[britrock88]

britrock, could you please clarify your vote? Are you saying you're voting Norv, Grover and Abe for first in a three way tie?

They're so close together that I don't feel like splitting hairs and deciding who gets 5, 3, and 1. But if I HAVE to do it, the order in the quote would be the pecking order.

[Chief Rum]

They're so close together that I don't feel like splitting hairs and deciding who gets 5, 3, and 1. But if I HAVE to do it, the order in the quote would be the pecking order.

You don't have to do it. If they're tied in your mind, that is fine.

[cartman]

Here's an intro to my band, which is obviously needed due to the lack of votes for the best picked band in the draft.

1.1 Elvis Presley, Lead Singer, 1960s and earlier

Not much to say. The King of Rock and Roll. Here he is at his finest:

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2.10 - Keith Moon, drummer, rock

Possibly the greatest drummer of all-time. Pioneered the art of using a drum set to not just keep the beat, but as an instrument that could carry a song just as a lead guitar could. Here some some of his examples from his all-too-short time with The Who.

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3.1 Willie Nelson - Songwriter, Country

The red-headed stranger's first hit was writing 'Crazy' for Patsy Cline in 1961. He started the 'Outlaw Country' music genre in the 70s with Waylon Jennings, Kris Kristofferson, Billy Joe Shaver. He wrote movie soundtracks, and continue to write and perform to this day.

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4.10 Walk This Way-Run DMC/Aerosmith

One of the first hip hop/rock crossovers, this song can easily fit into multiple genres, reflecting the varied talents in the band.

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5.1 Ian Anderson of Jethro Tull-Flute, Other Instrument, 1970s

Flute isn't the first thing you think of regarding rock. But Ian Anderson is proof positive that you can indeed rock out on the flute.

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6.10 Quincy Jones, Manager/Producer, Pop

Worked with the King of Pop, producing 'Thriller'. He has been nominated for 79 Grammys, winning 27. He's been nominated for Oscars. His greatest successes were in the pop realm, but he also has experience in a wide range of other endeavors, which helps in an eclectic mix of band members.

7.1 Kim Gordon - Sonic Youth, Bass Guitarist, Female

Although the name of the band is 'Sonic Youth', they have been around for over 30 years. They have not had a lot of mainstream success, but a ton of critical praise. They were pioneers in the underground/alternative scene. Kim Gordon has been there all along, contributing rock solid base to keep the intentionally out of tune guitars in line. She is definitely in the discussion for top female bassist in rock history.

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8.10 - Mike McCready (Pearl Jam), Lead Guitar, 1990s

One of the top guitarist of the 1990s. He helped to usher in the so-called Seattle grunge scene to rid the airwaves of the scourge of hair metal. He has had several epic solos, two of them in one song, Alive.

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9.1 - David A. Stewart (Eurythmics), Keys, 1980s

One half of the Eurythmics duo, they burst onto the scene in the 80s with a slew of keyboard/synth driven hits.

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10.10 Apple iTunes, Label, 21st Century

An outside the box pick. iTunes is not a label in the traditional sense of the term, but this is the 21st Century, and the traditional labels are playing in the Apple world. iTunes doesn't sign any acts, but they negotiate with the labels to get a cut of each song sold. They are the 'capo di tutti capi' in the music world today. In the pre-MP3 days, the labels were the vehicle to distribute the music. Today, that vehicle is iTunes.

The record store is a big part of it. But since iTunes is so pervasive, independent acts can now get access to the market without having to hitch themselves to a traditional label. They just sign the distribution agreement with iTunes, and not have all of the other baggage that goes along with a legacy label infrastructure.

Based on my drummer's propensity for blowing them up, and my lead singer shuffling loose his mortal coil sitting on one, my band name should probably be:

"Porcelain Throne Avengers"

For those who never heard of Keith Moon's legendary toilet exploits:

Keith Moon, Bathroom Bomber (http://www.neatorama.com/2011/06/13/keith-moon-bathroom-bomber/)

[Abe Sargent]

Once again, tons of fun, thanks and yay yay yay!

[Chief Rum]

Get your votes in, folks. Voting is closing up later tonight.

[CrimsonFox]

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[Grammaticus]

1. Piranahconda
2. Blue Veltvet
3. The Leeks

[Vince, Pt. II]

1. Blue Feltvet
2. Stallion
3. Crimson Fox

The Karlifornia Band, Porcelain Throne Avengers and Piranahconda were right up there for me too. To be honest, I like ALL of the bands. I'm really splitting hairs where I draw my line. I mean, Chuck Berry, the Ox and Stewart Copeland playing Lennon? Roy Orbison singing McCartney, backed by Flea, Manzarek and White? Jesus. Stevie Ray Vaughn playing Cobain? Prince, the King of Pop and Elton John on a stage together would possibly make the world end. Wow. I'm probably stealing from someone, but that's an eargasm.

[Chief Rum]

Second runner up is...

Stallion by Suicane!

Stallion tallied four first place votes and 39 points, just edging out Crimson Fox and the Karlifornia Band.

The overall runner up is...

Blue Feltvet by Grover!

Blue Feltvet came in at 46 1/2 points, with five standalone first place votes and a shared sixth first place vote.

And the Greatest FOFC Band is...

Piranhaconda by NorvTurnerOverDrive!!!

While there were many quality entries, Norv's band was a dominant force, netting 67 1/2 points, buoyed by nine standalone first place votes and a shared tenth first place vote. Of the 32 ballots sent in, Piranhaconda was named on 18 of them.

[Chief Rum]

Thanks, everyone, for participating, and giving me the chance to run this. This draft was a ton of fun, and I love to see the passion and strategies and love for music from you all.

[britrock88]

Shared our spreadsheet with a friend (pro bassist, FWIW). His opinion of the steals of the draft were Yo-Yo Ma, Roger Taylor, and Roy Orbison. So cheers to Abe and Suicane for those picks.

[Abe Sargent]

Congrats to everyone!

[Grover]

Whoo!

Grats, Norv!

[thesloppy]

The Funky Funky Rejects:

Singer: James Brown (Pop)
Guitar: George Harrison (Rock)
Bass: Sting (1980s)
Keys: Sly Stone (1960s)
Drummer: Sheila E (Female)
Other Instrument: Buffy "The Human Beatbox" Robinson (Hip Hop)
Songwriter: George Clinton (1970s)
Manager: Colonel Tom Parker (Country)
Label: Matador Records (1990s)
Cover Song: Janelle Monae's "Tightrope" (21st Century)

[Chief Rum]

The Funky Funky Rejects:

Singer: James Brown (Pop)
Guitar: George Harrison (Rock)
Bass: Sting (1980s)
Keys: Sly Stone (1960s)
Drummer: Sheila E (Female)
Other Instrument: Buffy "The Human Beatbox" Robinson (Hip Hop)
Songwriter: George Clinton (1970s)
Manager: Colonel Tom Parker (Country)
Label: Matador Records (1990s)
Cover Song: Janelle Monae's "Tightrope" (21st Century)

I didn't offer up a best of the unpicked, but if I had, both Brown and Harrison would have been on that team. I referenced James Brown in the picks thread although I intentionally didn't name him. And Harrison was just a great musician and the writer of one of my favorite songs ever, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"--featuring, of course, terrific guitar work from Harrison himself.

[CrimsonFox]

I didn't offer up a best of the unpicked, but if I had, both Brown and Harrison would have been on that team. I referenced James Brown in the picks thread although I intentionally didn't name him. And Harrison was just a great musician and the writer of one of my favorite songs ever, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"--featuring, of course, terrific guitar work from Eric Clapton himself.

fixed. Harrison didn't play lead guitar on While My Guitar... He brought in his friend Clapton. (and that also gave him a break and made McCartney and Lennon shut the hell up since they were trying to be "on their best behavior" with a guest.

[CrimsonFox]

I had Brown, Sting, and Clinton in mind for sure, but they were in comflicting categories and didn't totally fit my band. Stone I was SERIOUSLY considering for my keyboard pick. But I kept finding that he more often played guitar so was gunshy about choosing him.

[CrimsonFox]

Great picks sloppy. I'm voting for you!

1. THE SLOPPY
2. THE SLOPPY
3. THE SLOPPY

[larrymcg421]

I think combining the 50s and 60s as one category really limited the options for some classic musicians.

[thesloppy]

Great picks sloppy. I'm voting for you!

1. THE SLOPPY
2. THE SLOPPY
3. THE SLOPPY

Where do I pick up my monies?

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i'm going to start a 'round 2' thread later tonight to gauge interest so you may wanna hold off on the best of the rest.

and thanks to all that voted and participated.

[Grover]

i'm going to start a 'round 2' thread later tonight to gauge interest so you may wanna hold off on the best of the rest.

and thanks to all that voted and participated.

Best of the rest deleted after reading this comment.

[CrimsonFox]

Where do I pick up my monies?

Would saying "up my ass" be too crude?

[CrimsonFox]

I didn't offer up a best of the unpicked, but if I had, both Brown and Harrison would have been on that team. I referenced James Brown in the picks thread although I intentionally didn't name him. And Harrison was just a great musician and the writer of one of my favorite songs ever, "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"--featuring, of course, terrific guitar work from Harrison himself.

And aha! I thought you were referring to Stevie WOnder when you were alluding to someone. ha! But it was James Brown.
Sorry I already had Plant.

[CrimsonFox]

Best of the rest deleted after reading this comment.

and I think Satisfaction is about as pop as Roger Taylor is a pop drummer.
(aka not much) but that's definitely been our rubberband category.

[Grover]

and I think Satisfaction is about as pop as Roger Taylor is a pop drummer.
(aka not much) but that's definitely been our rubberband category.

I use it because it was #1 on the pop charts ;)

[Chief Rum]

fixed. Harrison didn't play lead guitar on While My Guitar... He brought in his friend Clapton. (and that also gave him a break and made McCartney and Lennon shut the hell up since they were trying to be "on their best behavior" with a guest.

Ha ha really? I didn't know that. Just figured that would be Harrison playing his normal lead on a song he wrote, lol.

What's really funny is that those chords are very Clapton-esque, so if I wasn't locked into presuming Harrison did the guitar work there, I might have guessed Clapton was a guess guitarist on that one.

Great song, either way.

[CrimsonFox]

Surprised Bill Wyman didn't get a Bass Nod or Bono a vocalist nod.
But I think it was that run on female bassists heh!

[CrimsonFox]

Ha ha really? I didn't know that. Just figured that would be Harrison playing his normal lead on a song he wrote, lol.

What's really funny is that those chords are very Clapton-esque, so if I wasn't locked into presuming Harrison did the guitar work there, I might have guessed Clapton was a guess guitarist on that one.

Great song, either way.


hehe funny! Yeah Clapton and Harrison were good friends at that point and Harrison was hating going to work so he brought in Clapton and said I want him on this (this was of course before Patti Harrison divorced George to marry Clapton). Made the others not act like asshats. After the solo they thought it didn't sound Beatley enough so they piped the guitar trough an amp and recorded it in a funky way to get that warbley effect.

Seriously I've got this book called Beatlesongs. It goes song by song about who played what and stories about each. Another good source of beatley things is of course the Beatles Anthology DVDs from the 90s.

[CrimsonFox]

I use it because it was #1 on the pop charts ;)

meh I say unto you. It's as rock as they ever were. But I understand why people were doing that.

[Grover]

Doesn't Clapton also play lead on The Stones' Brown Sugar?

[CrimsonFox]

Now that voting is over I did want to analyze a couple things that I found interesting (as I didn't want to affect voting or anything).

I was actually surprised at the Elvis and Michael Jackson picks for sure. Two reasons I think. Obviously they are music legends, but I've just never thought of them as "band" people. They were megastars that more had back musicians. I guess that's how I treated the whole tihng in making a band. Just never thought of getting solo superstars as picks (although I guess I did think of Stevie Wonder)

And I've *chuckle* never really thought of them as singers really.
Elvis had all of, what, a 5-note vocal range and just swung his hips and did movies and all that and get girls screaming at him. (Yes he was a pioneer but as someone pointed out about Ringo I agree that a pioneer isn't necessarily the best. (Although I do like Ringo's "sound" and "style".) Kinda the same with Jackson, you do a spin, you moonwalk, you say "Shamol!" a lot and the girls scream. I thought Jackson's "Off The Wall" was a kick ass album. "Don't Stop Till you get it up" is just a kicking dance song.
But after that I think the superpopiness got to him and he just kinda was lax on the singing in lieu of vocal gimmicks and dance moves. But yeah I've always been a purist about actual singers vs showmen/performers. For that matter Mick Jagger did both. He wasn't a good singer, but he was a hell of a front man, especially when you can get away with shouting most of your vocals in that venue. (Ruby Tuesday really gives him away) Just some 2 cents to keep the party going :)

[CrimsonFox]

Doesn't Clapton also play lead on The Stones' Brown Sugar?


as well as in The Yardbirds before Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck took over. :)
That band was like the Olympus of guitarists. :)

[Grover]

as well as in The Yardbirds before Jimmy Page and Jeff Beck took over. :)
That band was like the Olympus of guitarists. :)

I have some Yardbirds bootlegs with Page doing an early, early version of Dazed and Confused at a show in San Francisco.

[CrimsonFox]

Doesn't Clapton also play lead on The Stones' Brown Sugar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Sugar_%28song%29

According to this, Clapton was only on an alternative take/version of the song on slide guitar, not on the main one.

[Abe Sargent]

I was seriously considering drafting this band:


Vocals - Frank Sinatra
Drums - Phil Collins
Bass - Peter Cetera
Guitar - Carlos Santana
Keys - Herbie Hancock
Other Instrument - Kenny G
Songwriter - Diane Warren


And then the rest of my requirements with label, manager and cover song from other good soft, crooner, ballad music. I figured that would be a great theme for a band,

[britrock88]

Potential drafters beware: Clapton is overrated.

On that thought, /SPOILERS, IN CASE OF SECOND DRAFT.

[CrimsonFox]

I was seriously considering drafting this band:


Vocals - Frank Sinatra
Drums - Phil Collins
Bass - Peter Cetera
Guitar - Carlos Santana
Keys - Herbie Hancock
Other Instrument - Kenny G
Songwriter - Diane Warren


And then the rest of my requirements with label, manager and cover song from other good soft, crooner, ballad music. I figured that would be a great theme for a band,

Ha! Very neat! You've somewhat both got "soft ballad music" and "sellouts" completely covered there!

[CrimsonFox]

More fun (and completely worthless) analysis:

[quote=Chief Rum;2685688]The Bands (in first round drafting order, by category)

BAND NAME: Porcelain Throne Avengers
Drafter: cartman

Lead Singer: Elvis Presley (1960's & Earlier--1.1)
Lead Guitarist: Mike McReady (1990s--8.10)
Bass Guitarist: Kim Gordon (Female--7.1)
Keys: Dave Stewart (1980s--9.1
Drummer: Keith Moon, (Rock--2.10)
Other Instrument: Ian Anderson--Flute (1970s--5.1)
Songwriter: Willie Nelson (Country--3.1)
Manager/Producer: Quincy Jones (Pop--6.10)
Label: iTunes (21st Century--10.10)
Cover Song: "Walk This Way" (Hip Hop--4.10)

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Fox's comments: A very disjointed band really. Elvis is certainly a megastar but I doubt his actual singing ability could hold up to a bnad. Moon and Anderson actually are a really good hookup. Anderson is one of my favorite picks of everyone in the Other group. Moon great drums. Stewart is interesting. NOt a megapop pick and I've never thought of him on keys but rather guitar but I guess he prbably did do all that stuff didn't he. QUincy jones a megafantastic pick and walk this way for hiphop was an excellent use of the category.

Jones, Cover and Prod go well together. THen McReady/Gordon are kinda vague picks. NOt bad for music but going with Moon and then with Stewart, then with WIllie Nelson is just very disjointed. However the best synch here is Nelson/Elvis. Now THAT I can hear!

BAND NAME: The Karlifornia Band
Drafter: Karlifornia

Lead Singer: Michael Jackson (Pop--1.2)
Lead Guitarist: Prince (1980s--2.9)
Bass Guitarist: Kim Deal (Female--7.2)
Keys: Elton John (Keys--3.2)
Drummer: ?uestlove (21st Century--8.9)
Other Instrument: Ravi Shankar--Sitar (1960s & Earlier--5.2)
Songwriter: Roger Waters (Rock--6.9)
Manager/Producer: Rick Rubin (Hip Hop--4.9)
Label: MCA Nashville (Country--9.2)
Cover Song: "Under the Bridge" (1990s--10.9)

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Fox's stuff: The Prince/Elton/JacksonQuestlove/Shankar/Rubin/Cover hookup is just WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW! I mean this would be SOME CONCERT! Prince on guitar is very interesting. I actually wish he would have focused on more guitar sounds in his music than he did as he is more known for heavy keyboards and just overall big porduction sound. I actually like him more as a vocalist than Jackson who I've said after Off the Wall never impressed me. Just a dancer with pop songs really. In fact Elton John is THE vocalist in this group. I do understand the Deal/bass pick. female was challenging especially if you wanted a male singer. Waters is an awesome pick. When I picked GIlmore, THIS was the other person I was struggling between. It was one or the other. I had the Townsend songwriter pick in my backpocket but had no one else at guitar unless I chose one of my progressive rock favorite (whom have no recognition and probably aren't as liked by me as Gilmour.) That said Waters doesn't belong in this band of overexcess :)
Shankar is cool in here as he can fit in everywhere but the label pick was a throwaway. But at least you did choose a legitimate country person.
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BAND NAME: Piranhaconda
Drafter: NorvTurnerOverDrive

Lead Singer: Mick Jagger (1970s--4.7)
Lead Guitarist: Jimi Hendrix (Rock--1.4)
Bass Guitarist: Les Claypool (1990s--2.7)
Keys: Stevie Wonder (Pop--8.7)
Drummer: John Bonham (Rock--3.4)
Other Instrument: Neil Young--Various (Country--6.7)
Songwriter: Joni Mitchell (Female--5.4)
Manager/Producer: Danger Mouse (Hip Hop--7.4)
Label: Sire Records (1980s--10.7)
Cover Song: "Icky Thump" (21st Century--9.4)

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Fox's blatherings:
Quite a bit of powerhouses here sided with some throwaways. Jagger is the ultimate frontman for sure. I think less of him as a pure singer though but I'll give him the benefit even though he merely screams a lot of his lyrics. He really knows how to make a song work. I would put him more as a songwriter choice actually. Kudos for choosing an actual hiphop artist in dangermouse even tho very obscure. Joni mitchell a strong female pick but as a songwriter, eh, I think there are much better choices. I wonder who else you could choose as a female singer and leave songwriter for jagger. Hendrix/Jagger/Bonham/Wonder is a very strong sound dealing in blues and R&B. Claypool is definitely a popular choice for younger and you probably got tons of support from that as well as icky thump (which i think was kind of a throwaway pick. NEver heard of it, but again possibly got you younger voters)
And Neil YOung being stretched to both country AND other instrument was total shenanigans here. Even if we give you country, there's no way to give you other since he was mainly a guitarist. :) Most thought of this category as more "this is all they play and nothing from the main instrument categories". I think the strengtrh and symbiosis of the first 5 instrumentalists really helped cause they do really go well together.




More later....fingers tired.

[Autumn]

Ha! Very neat! You've somewhat both got "soft ballad music" and "sellouts" completely covered there!

Actually having "sellout" and "one hit wonder" type categories would be an awesome addition to one of these drafts. Throw in a category like "Embarrassing to be caught listening to."

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

how dare you? HOW DARE YOU!?! (i'm bored so i'm going to argue)

Quite a bit of powerhouses here sided with some throwaways. Jagger is the ultimate frontman for sure. I think less of him as a pure singer though but I'll give him the benefit even though he merely screams a lot of his lyrics. He really knows how to make a song work. I would put him more as a songwriter choice actually.
he was there in the 4th round. felt i had to take him.
Kudos for choosing an actual hiphop artist in dangermouse even tho very obscure.
how dare you

acts
Beck, The Black Keys, Broken Bells, Cee Lo Green, Danger Doom, Electric Guest, Gnarls Barkley, The Good, the Bad and the Queen, Gorillaz, Jack White, Jemini, Joker's Daughter, MF Doom, Norah Jones, POP ETC, Sparklehorse

2004 Entertainment Weekly Album of the year (Danger Mouse - The Grey Album)
2004 GQ Magazine "Men of the Year"
2005 Wired Magazine Rave Award (Music)
2005 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2005 Q Magazine (Best Producer)
2006 Grammy Award - Best Alternative Album (Gnarls Barkley -St. Elsewhere)
2006 Grammy Award - Best Urban/Alternative Performance (Gnarls Barkley - Crazy)
2006 Entertainment Weekly Album of the Year (Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere)
2006 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2006 Q Magazine (Song of the Year - Gnarls Barkley "Crazy" )
2008 Rolling Stone Magazine Best Producer in Rock
2009 Esquire Magazine 75 Most Influential People of the 21st Century
2009 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2009 GQ Magazine Album of the Year (Danger Mouse & Sparklehorse - Dark Night of the Soul)
2009 Paste Magazine "Producer of the Decade"
2010 Grammy Nomination - Best Alternative Album (Gnarls Barkley - The Odd Couple)
2010 Rolling Stone Magazine - Song of the Decade (Gnarls Barkley - Crazy)
2011 Grammy Award (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2011 Grammy Nomination - Best Alternative Album (Broken Bells - Broken Bells)
2012 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)


Joni mitchell a strong female pick but as a songwriter, eh, I think there are much better choices. I wonder who else you could choose as a female singer and leave songwriter for jagger.
#9 greatest songwriter of all time rolling stone. plus there's the whole page/plant obsession. led zep's 'going to california' is about joni mitchell.

Hendrix/Jagger/Bonham/Wonder is a very strong sound dealing in blues and R&B. Claypool is definitely a popular choice for younger and you probably got tons of support from that as well as icky thump (which i think was kind of a throwaway pick. NEver heard of it, but again possibly got you younger voters)
there are young voters here? icky thump was their highest charting single and is awesome. 7 nation army makes my head hurt.

fun fact: stevie wonder opened for the rolling stones in 1972
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And Neil YOung being stretched to both country AND other instrument was total shenanigans here. Even if we give you country, there's no way to give you other since he was mainly a guitarist.
you could debate 'country'. my argument would be that the bulk of his discography is country.

but you can't debate 'other.' alison krauss is a singer who happens to play the fiddle. charlie daniels is a guitarist that happens to play the fiddle.

[britrock88]

Yeah, Joni's a supersolid pick at songwriter, lead singer, or even guitarist (not a technical virtuoso, but very creative with tunings and chord shaping due to her polio-weakened left hand).

[CrimsonFox]

how dare you? HOW DARE YOU!?! (i'm bored so i'm going to argue)


he was there in the 4th round. felt i had to take him.

how dare you

acts
Beck, The Black Keys, Broken Bells, Cee Lo Green, Danger Doom, Electric Guest, Gnarls Barkley, The Good, the Bad and the Queen, Gorillaz, Jack White, Jemini, Joker's Daughter, MF Doom, Norah Jones, POP ETC, Sparklehorse

2004 Entertainment Weekly Album of the year (Danger Mouse - The Grey Album)
2004 GQ Magazine "Men of the Year"
2005 Wired Magazine Rave Award (Music)
2005 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2005 Q Magazine (Best Producer)
2006 Grammy Award - Best Alternative Album (Gnarls Barkley -St. Elsewhere)
2006 Grammy Award - Best Urban/Alternative Performance (Gnarls Barkley - Crazy)
2006 Entertainment Weekly Album of the Year (Gnarls Barkley - St. Elsewhere)
2006 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2006 Q Magazine (Song of the Year - Gnarls Barkley "Crazy" )
2008 Rolling Stone Magazine Best Producer in Rock
2009 Esquire Magazine 75 Most Influential People of the 21st Century
2009 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2009 GQ Magazine Album of the Year (Danger Mouse & Sparklehorse - Dark Night of the Soul)
2009 Paste Magazine "Producer of the Decade"
2010 Grammy Nomination - Best Alternative Album (Gnarls Barkley - The Odd Couple)
2010 Rolling Stone Magazine - Song of the Decade (Gnarls Barkley - Crazy)
2011 Grammy Award (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)
2011 Grammy Nomination - Best Alternative Album (Broken Bells - Broken Bells)
2012 Grammy Nomination (Danger Mouse - Producer of the Year)



#9 greatest songwriter of all time rolling stone. plus there's the whole page/plant obsession. led zep's 'going to california' is about joni mitchell.


there are young voters here? icky thump was their highest charting single and is awesome. 7 nation army makes my head hurt.

fun fact: stevie wonder opened for the rolling stones in 1972
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you could debate 'country'. my argument would be that the bulk of his discography is country.

but you can't debate 'other.' alison krauss is a singer who happens to play the fiddle. charlie daniels is a guitarist that happens to play the fiddle.

you can dare me all you want but that isn't going to impress me. :)

BUt I am totally sold on your Dangermouse pick now. :) Yeah Mitchell is known as a great songwriter I just think there are better picks than her. However Seeing as the female category is hard to fill, yes it is a good pick.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

it's all in fun.

[CrimsonFox]

All you had to do was mention Gnarls and Celo and I'm in like flint!
I guess I just tend to ignore music after the 00's :)

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i love dangermouse. i thought the grey album was genius and have been a fan ever since.

[CrimsonFox]

so he does his own music too or just produces?

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

just produces. he plays instruments too but production is his forte'. he's producing the new U2 album right now which i have mixed feelings about but i'm sure he's being paid handsomely for it.

[Grover]

so he does his own music too or just produces?

Check out the album "Rome" which was done by Danger Mouse and Daniele Luppi. Six of the tracks have vocals, three from Jack White and three from Norah Jones.

He also produced The Gorillaz's "Demon Days" not to mention Attack and Release, Brothers and El Camino by the Black Keys.