2012 FOFC Alternate Rules Football; Draft Complete, Set Your Lineups

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08.30.12
Draft is complete!

Check your teams in Yahoo- make sure I didn't make any mistakes. Now is a chance for trades if anyone wants to do it.

Also, Yahoo doesn't auto-populate your lineup! Make sure you do that before week 1.


08.21.12
Soft, live draft starts today (i.e. no pick time limit). Tomorrow at 8am ET, we start for realsies (with 2 hour time limit).

Draft Order
1. Rafalicous D - Rafini, 2
2. Houston Hippopotami - sterlingice, 6
3. Dayton Dynamo - Butter_of_69, 5
4. Roadkill Cafe - Danny, 8
5. Chief's Savages -Chief Rum, 9
6. Scoobz0202 - Scoobz0202, 3
7. Housewives on Acid - Subby, 4
8. Tasty Punts Too - Julio Riddols, 10
9. Royal Apes - TRO, 1
10. Eleven Masked Men - Masked, 7

Reminders:
1. If you could post your picks in a format like this "1.1 QB Warren Moon, HOU", it would be greatly appreciated. The bold helps it stand out from the random other chatter. Also, the position and team name make it easier for me to enter it into and find the right player. There are two WR Steve Smiths still in the league, for instance, and this helps out with putting the right names into Yahoo.
2. PM the person after you! This is extremely important this season with the quick schedule. Personally, I don't have thread subscriptions turned on so I don't see every time someone posts in the thread, but I do get an email every time I get a PM so that is helpful.
3. Yes, I'm the commish but I always am thankful for help. I'll be able to check multiple times per day but I won't be on every hour on the hour. If it's been more than the allotted time (2 hours this week, 1 hour next week), make the pick so the next person can go. It's nothing personal, we're not being mean, but we need to keep it moving. If someone posts in the thread "I'm here", be nice and let them make the pick (within reason- I mean if the posted it like 3 hours ago, well, you know...). But if you're late with the pick and you post "I'm here", make the pick in the next few minutes.
4. We've never had issues with table talk in my 2 leagues during the draft: it's meant to be a nice, friendly league and we all have access to the same information. So if I say "You know, I had a hard time deciding between Morten Anderson and Tony Zendejas but I went with Morten", don't get mad because Zendejas was your big sleeper and he gets picked right before you: if he was that big of a sleeper, you should have picked him last round. Heck, use table talk to your advantage: maybe I really don't like Zendejas and want someone else to pick him because I'm really hoping Chip Lohmiller falls to me. Just don't be an ass and it's up to my discretion who's being an ass. This is meant to be a nice, friendly league.
5. We're using Yahoo for the draft and I'll try to keep that up to date as often as I can. I'll also try to keep up with the draft in post #5. However, there's a quirk in Yahoo with regards to players remaining in the pool. If you go to the "Players" tab in Yahoo, it will take the drafted players out of the pool and you'll only see who is left. However, if you search on a name- it will give you all players with that name, available or not. So, if Warren Moon was picked 1.1 and I'm at 1.2, I won't see him in the available players. However, if I search on "Moon", he will show up even tho he's been picked.


08.20.12
Ok, signups are ready to go. You know the drill if you've been in my leagues before:
1) If you're returning, you have until tomorrow at noon to claim your spot. Post in the thread with your team name and draft number and then join the Yahoo league.
2) If you're new, you go onto the waiting list until tomorrow at noon. I suspect there will be spots this season with the rigorous schedule and quick turnaround so don't hesitate to get on the waiting list.

Make sure you've read the draft rules. This year, it's a pick every 2 hours! Frankly, I'm hoping to finish in about a week and a half so we don't have to mess with Labor Day but I suspect that will be really optimistic.

So far, I have the following teams:
(team name) - (fofc user name) , (number) , (in Yahoo)

Royal Apes - TRO, 1, IN - complete!
Rafalicous D - Rafini, 2, IN - complete!
Scoobz0202 - Scoobz0202, 3, IN - complete!
Housewives on Acid - Subby, 4, OUT
Dayton Dynamo - Butter_of_69, 5, IN - complete!
Houston Hippopotami - sterlingice, 6, IN - complete!
Eleven Masked Men - Masked, 7, IN - complete!
Roadkill Cafe - Danny, 8, IN - complete!
Chief's Savages -Chief Rum, 9, OUT
Tasty Punts Too - Julio Riddols, 10, IN - complete!

Did Not Return
(dick butkuses) - LastWhiteSoxFanStanding
(Hawaii-Vegas Ha'a) - k0ruptr

Waiting List
Chief Rum - added
Subby - added

Draft Order
2
6
5
8
9
3
4
10
1
7

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Introduction

The idea behind the FOFC Alternate Rules Football league is simple. We play with 2 QBs, playing PPR, and try to balance out all 3 of the major positions while still making the other 3 differentiated and yet valuable. In short, you need a good, balanced team across the board.

This league was started for a couple of reasons, most of which involve things I dislike about standard fantasy football leagues.
1) I absolutely hate the RB scrum that has stupidly started every fantasy football league since the dawn of time. RBs are one of the least valuable positions on the field
2) QBs are over pointed but over supplied. Most league starts 1 QB so in a 10 team league, the 11th most valuable QB is around equal to the 21st most valuable RB. So what you're telling me is that Eli Manning slots around Daniel Thomas, Jahvid Best, Ryan Matthews and Knowshon Moreno this year (I just left in this humorous cut and paste from 2011 considering the names involved)? In standard systems, he's worth at least 100 more points but won't be picked until much after them because of positional scarcity.
3) And to those who complain 2 QBs is not realistic, fantasy football is not about "realism". Where in the world are you going to see Maurice Jones-Drew and Chris Johnson lining up in the backfield on any play? That QB might actually *die* on the field, but that fantasy lineup would rack up a lot of fantasy points. The only time fantasy lineups could be even considered remotely realistic were the couple of years that Mike Alstott was accidentally worth something as an honest-to-goodness fullback. So, please, don't tell me that your 1 QB, 2 RB league is more realistic than this 2 QB, 2 RB league unless you're drafting fullbacks.
4) Points seemed to be based on arbitrary measurements: "Hey, a TD is worth 6 so let's make it worth 6 fantasy points". Never mind that a good QB will get in the 30s while an elite RB might get half that. So, points are balanced across the board to try and give equal weight to every skill position: QBs, workhorse RBs, receiving RBs, deep thread WRs, possession WRs, etc.

So, in short, the idea is not to game the system but to pick the players that best exceed expectations. In short- are you better at predicting players than everyone else. Is it perfect? No. But I do believe it's better than what's out there.


Alternate Rules Football History

In the first season (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=41688), 2005, the Rafini Express steamrolled the rest of the league; led by Tomlinson, Palmer, Hasselbeck, and a solid receiving corps.

In 2006 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=51190), Eleven Masked Men won the regular season while 5 teams were at either 9-5 or 8-6 but only three made the playoffs. The #4 and #3 seeds won in the playoffs with the balanced Marino Gets a Title winning over the LT-led Houston Hippopotami.

For 2007 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=60329), there were 3 10-4 powers going into the playoffs with the Little Macs, Hawaii Haka, and Houston Hippopotami but it was the #4 seed Louisiana Cyclones who won the title after squeaking into the playoffs at 8-6.

In 2008, the league went on hiatus as I was moving cross country from Kansas City to Richmond. Guess what I'm looking to do yet again this year. *sigh*

2009 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=73999) brought back the league in all its former glory with a slow, live draft and some slight scoring tweaks (I think). k0ruptr's Hawaii Ha'a dominated the regular season at 11-3 with the most points scored and won in the playoffs with a balanced team led by Adrian Peterson. Qwikshot's Quivers were the only other double digit win team but they lost in the first round of the playoffs.

2010 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=79059) featured a quick, live draft as I ran out of time, having just moved to Indianapolis. Danny's Road Kill Cafe finished with the best record in the league, led by Peyton Manning and 2 RBs and 3 WRs with over 1000 yards and 6 TDs (McCoy, McFadden, Bowe, CJohnson, SMoss). He defeated #2 seed Royal Apes, led by the two headed QB monster of Vick and Rogers and RBs Jamaal Charles and Steven Jackson.

2011 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=82106) returned to the standard draft albeit a sped up 2 hour format that we'll use again this year. The 4 teams that made the playoffs were the only teams with winning records. SterlingIce's Indianapolis Iguanii knocked off Julio Riddols's Tasty Punts by 0.08 in one of the semifinals. But TRO's Royal Apes prevailed in the finals, led by a combination of known commodities (Rodgers, Gore, Gates) and big surprises (Newton, Gronkowski, Matthews).

Rules

I'll try to outline the major points below but any writeup will be somewhat incomplete. I've been trying to make sure and balance out the three main positions. It's not perfect but it's a lot better than what's out there, in my opinion:

* First thing you'll notice is 2 QBs- your 2nd and even 3rd QB does matter, just as much as your 2nd and 3rd RBs. No more mad scramble solely for RBs.
* There are 3 WRs and they are worth 8/1 versus 10/1 for RBs and 30/1 for QBs
* TE's are a bit better than in the past, but I would still love to be able to hit them with a 1.5 * mulitiplier across the board. As that's not possible, they fall in positional value. PPR helps them, tho. As I can't, that 2nd TE has become a TE/(4th)WR slot this season.
* There are kindof 2 tiers of players: QBs/RBs/WRs and Ks/DEFs/TEs. The first are worth more as they are believed to be more important. However, those second tiers are still worth about 2/3rds what the first group does, and good ones can offset a bad week by a top tier player.
* There's a lot of emphasis on positional scarcity- 2 of pretty much everything in a 10 team league means 20 QBs, 20 RBs, 20 Ks, and 20 DEFs will be starting each and every week which only leaves 10 in the pool at max. You only get 5 bench spaces so use them well- no hoarding that 4th K or even 3rd K if it means dropping that injured RB who's about to come back or that backup for your stud who you have as a 4th RB.

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Scoring & Settings







<table class="data" id="settings-table"> <thead> <tr> <th class="first">Setting</th> <th>Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_34"> <tr> <td>League ID#:</td> <td>613362</td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">FOFC Alternate Rules</td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">dola</td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Custom League URL:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">Sign in to Yahoo! (http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/fofcalternatefootball2009)</td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Offline Draft </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410">10</td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Head-to-Head </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Start Scoring on:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 1 </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Can't Cut List Provider:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yahoo! Sports </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Acquisitions for Entire Season:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Acquisitions per Week:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Max Trades for Entire Season</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No maximum </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 1 </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade End Date:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> November 16, 2012 </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Allow Draft Pick Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Trade Review:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> League Votes </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> 2 days </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Waiver Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Continual rolling list </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Weekly Waivers</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Sunday - Tuesday </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Post Draft Players:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Follow Waiver Rules </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Invite Sharing Tools:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Disabled </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Playoffs:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Week 15 and 16 (4 teams) Note: Week 16 runs 7 days from Dec 18 to Dec 24 </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Playoff Reseeding:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Divisions:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Lock Eliminated Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_42" class="row2"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Roster Positions:</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_41" class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> QB, QB, WR, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/T, W/R/T, K, K, DEF, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN </td> </tr> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_39" class="row1"> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Fractional Points:</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_38" class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_37" class="row2"> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_36" class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Negative Points:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> Yes </td> </tr> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_33" class="row1"> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_32" class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="120">Make League Publicly Viewable:</td> <td class="typeStandard" align="left" valign="top" width="410"> No </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>

<table class="data" id="settings-stat-mod-table"><thead> <tr> <th class="first">Offense</th> <th>League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_24"> <tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Passing Yards</td> <td>30 yards per point; 5 points at 300 yards</td> <td>25 yards per point</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Passing Touchdowns</td> <td>5</td> <td>4</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Interceptions</td> <td>-1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Rushing Yards</td> <td>10 yards per point; 5 points at 100 yards</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_23" class="row2"> <td class="first">Rushing Touchdowns</td> <td>6</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_22">
</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_27" class="row1"> <td class="first">Receptions</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_28">1</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_26">0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_30" class="row2"> <td class="first">Reception Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_29">8 yards per point; 5 points at 100 yards</td> <td>10 yards per point</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Reception Touchdowns</td> <td>6</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">2-Point Conversions</td> <td>2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Fumbles</td> <td>-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_91" class="row2"> <td class="first">Fumbles Lost</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_90">-1</td> <td>-2</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_89" class="row1"> <td class="first">Offensive Fumble Return TD</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_88">6</td> <td>
</td> </tr> </tbody> <thead id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_87"> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_86"> <th class="first">Kickers</th> <th id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_85">League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_66"> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_84" class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 0-19 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_83">3</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_82" class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals 20-29 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_81">4</td> <td>3</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_80" class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 30-39 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_79">5</td> <td>3</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_78" class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals 40-49 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_77">6</td> <td>4</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_76" class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals 50+ Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_75">7</td> <td>5</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_74" class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_73">-2</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_72" class="row2"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_71">-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_70" class="row1"> <td class="first">Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_69">-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_68" class="row2"> <td class="first">Point After Attempt Made</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_67">1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_65" class="row1"> <td class="first">Point After Attempt Missed</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_64">-1</td> <td>0</td> </tr> </tbody> <thead id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_63"> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_62"> <th class="first">Defense/Special Teams</th> <th id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_61">League Value</th> <th>Yahoo! Default Value</th> </tr> </thead> <tbody id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_46"> <tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_60" class="row2"> <td class="first">Sack</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_59">1</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Interception</td> <td>1</td> <td>2</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_58" class="row2"> <td class="first">Fumble Recovery</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_57">1</td> <td>2</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_56" class="row1"> <td class="first">Touchdown</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_55">5</td> <td>6</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_54" class="row2"> <td class="first">Safety</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_53">2</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_52" class="row1"> <td class="first">Block Kick</td> <td>2</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_51">
</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_50" class="row2"> <td class="first">Return Yards</td> <td>50 yards per point</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_49">0</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_48" class="row1"> <td class="first">Kickoff and Punt Return Touchdowns</td> <td>5</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_47">6</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 0 points</td> <td>20</td> <td>10</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 1-6 points</td> <td>15</td> <td>7</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 7-13 points</td> <td>10</td> <td>4</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 14-20 points</td> <td>5</td> <td>1</td> </tr><tr class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 21-27 points</td> <td>0</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr class="row1"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 28-34 points</td> <td>-2</td> <td>-1</td> </tr><tr id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_45" class="row2"> <td class="first">Points Allowed 35+ points</td> <td>-5</td> <td id="yui_3_4_1_9_1345493176615_44">-4</td></tr></tbody></table>

2011
001-025: (467-284) 09 QB / 04 RB / 10 WR / 02 TE
026-050: (281-230) 04 QB / 09 RB / 10 WR / 02 TE
051-075: (228-194) 05 QB / 05 RB / 11 WR / 04 TE
076-100: (194-167) 01 QB / 08 RB / 11 WR / 05 TE
001-100: (467-167) 19 QB / 26 RB / 42 WR / 13 TE
Top20 D: (242-147)
Top20 K: (258-151)

2010
001-025: (434-281) 06 QB / 09 RB / 10 WR / 00 TE
026-050: (279-235) 07 QB / 05 RB / 12 WR / 01 TE
051-075: (231-192) 06 QB / 06 RB / 10 WR / 03 TE
076-100: (192-165) 03 QB / 03 RB / 10 WR / 09 TE
001-100: (434-165) 22 QB / 23 RB / 42 WR / 13 TE
Top20 D: (241-157)
Top20 K: (215-142)


Ideally, looking for a 20/20/45/15 split for skill positions in the top 100 as that's how many start and then the DEF/K should have some variance to make better ones worth more while keeping them in the 50-100 category.

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Who Can Join
Preference goes towards members who were in the league last year. Now through noon of Tuesday August 21st, they are the only ones who can join. Anyone else is put on the waiting list.

Signing Up
IF YOU ARE RETURNING, WHEN YOU SIGN UP, PUT A NUMBER NEXT TO YOUR NAME. DO NOT DO THIS IF YOU ARE ON THE WAITING LIST. I have saved a text file to my desktop with 10 numbers that will determine the draft order. I will take whatever the last number is.

Draft Format

The draft will take place in this thread once the league has been set up. It is a snake draft. If nothing changes, we'll start drafting at noon of Wednesday August 22nd.

We've got a really short schedule this year. The season starts Wednesday September 5th. That means we have about 3 weeks to do the slow, live draft. Big problem: I'm out of town over Labor Day weekend from Thursday night to Monday night!

So, we're going to do what we did last year with 2 hours per pick between the hours of 8am ET and 10pm ET on weekdays. Hopefully we don't have to enforce this but we always have to a couple of times during the draft. As of next Monday morning through next Thursday, we'll shrink that down to 1 hour.

The evening rules are still the same. If you had more than an hour the previous night (the previous pick was made at 9pm), you get 1 hour in the morning (until 9am) to make your pick. If you had less than an hour, you have 2 hours in the morning (until 10am). We have to keep this moving and we need everyone checking every night and every morning if it's near their turn. This weekend, I'm planning on doing the standard weekday schedule of every 2 hours including night and weekend. If we're looking good going into Labor Day, we might be able to relax that a little bit. I know I'll be out of town but I might still have some internet access.

I'm going to, once again, need some help enforcing these time limits, especially this year with the short draft time. If someone is at 2 hours- please auto-pick for them so the next person can go.

If there are problems in that you know your pick is coming up but you won't be online, submit a list either to myself or to a proxy drafter for you. Otherwise, you will get the next player on Yahoo's list. Maybe pick someone who is on the opposite end of the draft from you so that you likely won't be grabbing from the same pool of players anyways.

The season starts September 5th. If the draft is not complete by Tuesday September 4th at noon (day after Labor Day), we will have a quick live draft via AIM to complete the draft on Tuesday September 4th, starting at 7pm ET. Anyone who won't be able to make that will need to submit a list to me, a proxy, or have a proxy in chat (who is not in the league) to finish out their team.

If you miss more than 2 picks in the draft (i.e. time limit expired so a Yahoo rankings pick), particularly in the first 10 rounds, then you can be replaced as manager.

IF YOU CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THIS SCHEDULE, DO NOT JOIN.

Rule Changes
*The 2nd TE became a WR/TE slot and a RB/WR/TE flex was added after some discussions at the end of last season
*Fractional points are going away. As fun as winning by 0.08 can be- it's really hard to get your hands on those numbers.
*PPR went from 0.5 to 1.0 in an effort to get rid of fractional points and somewhat boost WR/TE
*I'm trying adding simple 5 point bonuses for 300 yard passing games and 100 yard receiving and rushing games. I'm not sure if these will serve a purpose but we'll see how those go
*Lots of tweaks to DST and K to get them more in line with where I want them: the top 20 should fall within the same range as skill position players 50~100 or maybe a little higher, if possible

SI

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Round 1
1. Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB) Rafalicious D
2. Drew Brees (NO - QB) Houston Hipp...
3. Tom Brady (NE - QB) Dayton Dynamo
4. Arian Foster (Hou - RB) Roadkill Cafe
5. Ray Rice (Bal - RB) Chief's Savages
6. LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB) Scoobz0202
7. Cam Newton (Car - QB) Housewives o...
8. Calvin Johnson (Det - WR) Tasty Punts Too
9. Matthew Stafford (Det - QB) Royal Apes
10. Matt Forte (Chi - RB) Eleven Maske...
Round 2
1. Jimmy Graham (NO - TE) Eleven Maske...
2. Wes Welker (NE - WR) Royal Apes
3. A.J. Green (Cin - WR) Tasty Punts Too
4. Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE) Housewives o...
5. Julio Jones (Atl - WR) Scoobz0202
6. Chris Johnson (Ten - RB) Chief's Savages
7. Darren McFadden (Oak - RB) Roadkill Cafe
8. Larry Fitzgerald (Ari - WR) Dayton Dynamo
9. Roddy White (Atl - WR) Houston Hipp...
10. Eli Manning (NYG - QB) Rafalicious D
Round 3
1. Maurice Jones-Drew (Jac - RB) Rafalicious D
2. Matt Ryan (Atl - QB) Houston Hipp...
3. Tony Romo (Dal - QB) Dayton Dynamo
4. DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB) Roadkill Cafe
5. Peyton Manning (Den - QB) Chief's Savages
6. Philip Rivers (SD - QB) Scoobz0202
7. Andre Johnson (Hou - WR) Housewives o...
8. Darren Sproles (NO - RB) Tasty Punts Too
9. Jamaal Charles (KC - RB) Royal Apes
10. Matt Schaub (Hou - QB) Eleven Maske...
Round 4
1. Jay Cutler (Chi - QB) Eleven Maske...
2. Steven Jackson (StL - RB) Royal Apes
3. Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB) Tasty Punts Too
4. Adrian Peterson (Min - RB) Housewives o...
5. Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB) Scoobz0202
6. Michael Vick (Phi - QB) Chief's Savages
7. Brandon Marshall (Chi - WR) Roadkill Cafe
8. Fred Jackson (Buf - RB) Dayton Dynamo
9. Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB) Houston Hipp...
10. Greg Jennings (GB - WR) Rafalicious D
Round 5
1. Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR) Rafalicious D
2. Ryan Mathews (SD - RB) Houston Hipp...
3. Jordy Nelson (GB - WR) Dayton Dynamo
4. Victor Cruz (NYG - WR) Roadkill Cafe
5. Steve Smith (Car - WR) Chief's Savages
6. Reggie Bush (Mia - RB) Scoobz0202
7. Trent Richardson (Cle - RB) Housewives o...
8. Doug Martin (TB - RB) Tasty Punts Too
9. Mike Wallace (Pit - WR) Royal Apes
10. Michael Turner (Atl - RB) Eleven Maske...
Round 6
1. Frank Gore (SF - RB) Eleven Maske...
2. Marques Colston (NO - WR) Royal Apes
3. Willis McGahee (Den - RB) Tasty Punts Too
4. Demaryius Thomas (Den - WR) Housewives o...
5. Eric Decker (Den - WR) Scoobz0202
6. Percy Harvin (Min - WR) Chief's Savages
7. Dez Bryant (Dal - WR) Roadkill Cafe
8. Jeremy Maclin (Phi - WR) Dayton Dynamo
9. Antonio Gates (SD - TE) Houston Hipp...
10. BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Cin - RB) Rafalicious D
Round 7
1. Brandon Lloyd (NE - WR) Rafalicious D
2. Antonio Brown (Pit - WR) Houston Hipp...
3. Vernon Davis (SF - TE) Dayton Dynamo
4. Robert Griffin III (Was - QB) Roadkill Cafe
5. Stevie Johnson (Buf - WR) Chief's Savages
6. Shonn Greene (NYJ - RB) Scoobz0202
7. Andy Dalton (Cin - QB) Housewives o...
8. Andrew Luck (Ind - QB) Tasty Punts Too
9. Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR) Royal Apes
10. Miles Austin (Dal - WR) Eleven Maske...
Round 8
1. Robert Meachem (SD - WR) Eleven Maske...
2. Aaron Hernandez (NE - TE) Royal Apes
3. Pierre Garcon (Was - WR) Tasty Punts Too
4. Beanie Wells (Ari - RB) Housewives o...
5. Vincent Jackson (TB - WR) Scoobz0202
6. Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buf - QB) Chief's Savages
7. Josh Freeman (TB - QB) Roadkill Cafe
8. Donald Brown (Ind - RB) Dayton Dynamo
9. DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR) Houston Hipp...
10. Torrey Smith (Bal - WR) Rafalicious D
Round 9
1. Isaac Redman (Pit - RB) Rafalicious D
2. Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR) Houston Hipp...
3. San Francisco (SF - DEF) Dayton Dynamo
4. Jake Locker (Ten - QB) Roadkill Cafe
5. Brandon Pettigrew (Det - TE) Chief's Savages
6. Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE) Scoobz0202
7. Justin Blackmon (Jac - WR) Housewives o...
8. Joe Flacco (Bal - QB) Tasty Punts Too
9. Carson Palmer (Oak - QB) Royal Apes
10. Santonio Holmes (NYJ - WR) Eleven Maske...
Round 10
1. Jermichael Finley (GB - TE) Eleven Maske...
2. Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB) Royal Apes
3. Fred Davis (Was - TE) Tasty Punts Too
4. Michael Bush (Chi - RB) Housewives o...
5. Christian Ponder (Min - QB) Scoobz0202
6. Laurent Robinson (Jac - WR) Chief's Savages
7. Jason Witten (Dal - TE) Roadkill Cafe
8. Roy Helu (Was - RB) Dayton Dynamo
9. Alex Smith (SF - QB) Houston Hipp...
10. Malcom Floyd (SD - WR) Rafalicious D
Round 11
1. Ryan Williams (Ari - RB) Rafalicious D
2. Kevin Smith (Det - RB) Houston Hipp...
3. Nate Washington (Ten - WR) Dayton Dynamo
4. Kenny Britt (Ten - WR) Roadkill Cafe
5. Cedric Benson (GB - RB) Chief's Savages
6. Lance Moore (NO - WR) Scoobz0202
7. Michael Crabtree (SF - WR) Housewives o...
8. Russell Wilson (Sea - QB) Tasty Punts Too
9. Matt Cassel (KC - QB) Royal Apes
10. Sam Bradford (StL - QB) Eleven Maske...
Round 12
1. Denarius Moore (Oak - WR) Eleven Maske...
2. C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB) Royal Apes
3. David Wilson (NYG - RB) Tasty Punts Too
4. Randy Moss (SF - WR) Housewives o...
5. Ben Tate (Hou - RB) Scoobz0202
6. Chicago (Chi - DEF) Chief's Savages
7. Darrius Heyward-Bey (Oak - WR) Roadkill Cafe
8. Anquan Boldin (Bal - WR) Dayton Dynamo
9. Greg Little (Cle - WR) Houston Hipp...
10. Rashad Jennings (Jac - RB) Rafalicious D
Round 13
1. Green Bay (GB - DEF) Rafalicious D
2. Houston (Hou - DEF) Houston Hipp...
3. Brent Celek (Phi - TE) Dayton Dynamo
4. Stevan Ridley (NE - RB) Roadkill Cafe
5. Peyton Hillis (KC - RB) Chief's Savages
6. Kendall Wright (Ten - WR) Scoobz0202
7. Alfred Morris (Was - RB) Housewives o...
8. Greg Olsen (Car - TE) Tasty Punts Too
9. Titus Young (Det - WR) Royal Apes
10. Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K) Eleven Maske...
Round 14
1. Baltimore (Bal - DEF) Eleven Maske...
2. Jacob Tamme (Den - TE) Royal Apes
3. Seattle (Sea - DEF) Tasty Punts Too
4. Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF) Housewives o...
5. Jared Cook (Ten - TE) Scoobz0202
6. Kellen Winslow (Sea - TE) Chief's Savages
7. David Akers (SF - K) Roadkill Cafe
8. Mark Ingram (NO - RB) Dayton Dynamo
9. Philadelphia (Phi - DEF) Houston Hipp...
10. Detroit (Det - DEF) Rafalicious D
Round 15
1. DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB) Rafalicious D
2. Jermaine Gresham (Cin - TE) Houston Hipp...
3. Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K) Dayton Dynamo
4. Mason Crosby (GB - K) Roadkill Cafe
5. Tennessee (Ten - DEF) Chief's Savages
6. Steve Smith (StL - WR) Scoobz0202
7. Washington (Was - DEF) Housewives o...
8. Mike Nugent (Cin - K) Tasty Punts Too
9. Buffalo (Buf - DEF) Royal Apes
10. New York (NYJ - DEF) Eleven Maske...
Round 16
1. Pierre Thomas (NO - RB) Eleven Maske...
2. New England (NE - DEF) Royal Apes
3. Owen Daniels (Hou - TE) Tasty Punts Too
4. Dan Bailey (Dal - K) Housewives o...
5. Cincinnati (Cin - DEF) Scoobz0202
6. Robbie Gould (Chi - K) Chief's Savages
7. Dustin Keller (NYJ - TE) Roadkill Cafe
8. Danny Amendola (StL - WR) Dayton Dynamo
9. Garrett Hartley (NO - K) Houston Hipp...
10. Coby Fleener (Ind - TE) Rafalicious D
Round 17
1. Martellus Bennett (NYG - TE) Rafalicious D
2. Rob Bironas (Ten - K) Houston Hipp...
3. Matt Bryant (Atl - K) Dayton Dynamo
4. New York (NYG - DEF) Roadkill Cafe
5. Matt Prater (Den - K) Chief's Savages
6. Denver (Den - DEF) Scoobz0202
7. Dallas Clark (TB - TE) Housewives o...
8. Steven Hauschka (Sea - K) Tasty Punts Too
9. Alex Henery (Phi - K) Royal Apes
10. Jason Hanson (Det - K) Eleven Maske...
Round 18
1. Sidney Rice (Sea - WR) Eleven Maske...
2. Nate Kaeding (SD - K) Royal Apes
3. Mike Williams (TB - WR) Tasty Punts Too
4. Mark Sanchez (NYJ - QB) Housewives o...
5. Dan Carpenter (Mia - K) Scoobz0202
6. Jon Baldwin (KC - WR) Chief's Savages
7. Brandon LaFell (Car - WR) Roadkill Cafe
8. Arizona (Ari - DEF) Dayton Dynamo
9. Ronnie Brown (SD - RB) Houston Hipp...
10. Shayne Graham (Hou - K) Rafalicious D
Round 19
1. Billy Cundiff (Was - K) Rafalicious D
2. Robert Turbin (Sea - RB) Houston Hipp...
3. Brandon Weeden (Cle - QB) Dayton Dynamo
4. Dallas (Dal - DEF) Roadkill Cafe
5. Isaiah Pead (StL - RB) Chief's Savages
6. Lawrence Tynes (NYG - K) Scoobz0202
7. Kevin Kolb (Ari - QB) Housewives o...
8. Rashard Mendenhall (Pit - RB) Tasty Punts Too
9. Tim Tebow (NYJ - QB) Royal Apes
10. Kendall Hunter (SF - RB) Eleven Maske...

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Rafalicious D
1. (1) Aaron Rodgers (GB - QB)
2. (20) Eli Manning (NYG - QB)
3. (21) Maurice Jones-Drew (Jac - RB)
4. (40) Greg Jennings (GB - WR)
5. (41) Hakeem Nicks (NYG - WR)
6. (60) BenJarvus Green-Ellis (Cin - RB)
7. (61) Brandon Lloyd (NE - WR)
8. (80) Torrey Smith (Bal - WR)
9. (81) Isaac Redman (Pit - RB)
10. (100) Malcom Floyd (SD - WR)
11. (101) Ryan Williams (Ari - RB)
12. (120) Rashad Jennings (Jac - RB)
13. (121) Green Bay (GB - DEF)
14. (140) Detroit (Det - DEF)
15. (141) DeAngelo Williams (Car - RB)
16. (160) Coby Fleener (Ind - TE)
17. (161) Martellus Bennett (NYG - TE)
18. (180) Shayne Graham (Hou - K)
19. (181) Billy Cundiff (Was - K)
Houston Hippopotami
1. (2) Drew Brees (NO - QB)
2. (19) Roddy White (Atl - WR)
3. (22) Matt Ryan (Atl - QB)
4. (39) Marshawn Lynch (Sea - RB)
5. (42) Ryan Mathews (SD - RB)
6. (59) Antonio Gates (SD - TE)
7. (62) Antonio Brown (Pit - WR)
8. (79) DeSean Jackson (Phi - WR)
9. (82) Reggie Wayne (Ind - WR)
10. (99) Alex Smith (SF - QB)
11. (102) Kevin Smith (Det - RB)
12. (119) Greg Little (Cle - WR)
13. (122) Houston (Hou - DEF)
14. (139) Philadelphia (Phi - DEF)
15. (142) Jermaine Gresham (Cin - TE)
16. (159) Garrett Hartley (NO - K)
17. (162) Rob Bironas (Ten - K)
18. (179) Ronnie Brown (SD - RB)
19. (182) Robert Turbin (Sea - RB)
Dayton Dynamo
1. (3) Tom Brady (NE - QB)
2. (18) Larry Fitzgerald (Ari - WR)
3. (23) Tony Romo (Dal - QB)
4. (38) Fred Jackson (Buf - RB)
5. (43) Jordy Nelson (GB - WR)
6. (58) Jeremy Maclin (Phi - WR)
7. (63) Vernon Davis (SF - TE)
8. (78) Donald Brown (Ind - RB)
9. (83) San Francisco (SF - DEF)
10. (98) Roy Helu (Was - RB)
11. (103) Nate Washington (Ten - WR)
12. (118) Anquan Boldin (Bal - WR)
13. (123) Brent Celek (Phi - TE)
14. (138) Mark Ingram (NO - RB)
15. (143) Sebastian Janikowski (Oak - K)
16. (158) Danny Amendola (StL - WR)
17. (163) Matt Bryant (Atl - K)
18. (178) Arizona (Ari - DEF)
19. (183) Brandon Weeden (Cle - QB)
Roadkill Cafe
1. (4) Arian Foster (Hou - RB)
2. (17) Darren McFadden (Oak - RB)
3. (24) DeMarco Murray (Dal - RB)
4. (37) Brandon Marshall (Chi - WR)
5. (44) Victor Cruz (NYG - WR)
6. (57) Dez Bryant (Dal - WR)
7. (64) Robert Griffin III (Was - QB)
8. (77) Josh Freeman (TB - QB)
9. (84) Jake Locker (Ten - QB)
10. (97) Jason Witten (Dal - TE)
11. (104) Kenny Britt (Ten - WR)
12. (117) Darrius Heyward-Bey (Oak - WR)
13. (124) Stevan Ridley (NE - RB)
14. (137) David Akers (SF - K)
15. (144) Mason Crosby (GB - K)
16. (157) Dustin Keller (NYJ - TE)
17. (164) New York (NYG - DEF)
18. (177) Brandon LaFell (Car - WR)
19. (184) Dallas (Dal - DEF)
Chief's Savages
1. (5) Ray Rice (Bal - RB)
2. (16) Chris Johnson (Ten - RB)
3. (25) Peyton Manning (Den - QB)
4. (36) Michael Vick (Phi - QB)
5. (45) Steve Smith (Car - WR)
6. (56) Percy Harvin (Min - WR)
7. (65) Stevie Johnson (Buf - WR)
8. (76) Ryan Fitzpatrick (Buf - QB)
9. (85) Brandon Pettigrew (Det - TE)
10. (96) Laurent Robinson (Jac - WR)
11. (105) Cedric Benson (GB - RB)
12. (116) Chicago (Chi - DEF)
13. (125) Peyton Hillis (KC - RB)
14. (136) Kellen Winslow (Sea - TE)
15. (145) Tennessee (Ten - DEF)
16. (156) Robbie Gould (Chi - K)
17. (165) Matt Prater (Den - K)
18. (176) Jon Baldwin (KC - WR)
19. (185) Isaiah Pead (StL - RB)
Scoobz0202
1. (6) LeSean McCoy (Phi - RB)
2. (15) Julio Jones (Atl - WR)
3. (26) Philip Rivers (SD - QB)
4. (35) Ahmad Bradshaw (NYG - RB)
5. (46) Reggie Bush (Mia - RB)
6. (55) Eric Decker (Den - WR)
7. (66) Shonn Greene (NYJ - RB)
8. (75) Vincent Jackson (TB - WR)
9. (86) Tony Gonzalez (Atl - TE)
10. (95) Christian Ponder (Min - QB)
11. (106) Lance Moore (NO - WR)
12. (115) Ben Tate (Hou - RB)
13. (126) Kendall Wright (Ten - WR)
14. (135) Jared Cook (Ten - TE)
15. (146) Steve Smith (StL - WR)
16. (155) Cincinnati (Cin - DEF)
17. (166) Denver (Den - DEF)
18. (175) Dan Carpenter (Mia - K)
19. (186) Lawrence Tynes (NYG - K)
Housewives on Acid
1. (7) Cam Newton (Car - QB)
2. (14) Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE)
3. (27) Andre Johnson (Hou - WR)
4. (34) Adrian Peterson (Min - RB)
5. (47) Trent Richardson (Cle - RB)
6. (54) Demaryius Thomas (Den - WR)
7. (67) Andy Dalton (Cin - QB)
8. (74) Beanie Wells (Ari - RB)
9. (87) Justin Blackmon (Jac - WR)
10. (94) Michael Bush (Chi - RB)
11. (107) Michael Crabtree (SF - WR)
12. (114) Randy Moss (SF - WR)
13. (127) Alfred Morris (Was - RB)
14. (134) Pittsburgh (Pit - DEF)
15. (147) Washington (Was - DEF)
16. (154) Dan Bailey (Dal - K)
17. (167) Dallas Clark (TB - TE)
18. (174) Mark Sanchez (NYJ - QB)
19. (187) Kevin Kolb (Ari - QB)
Tasty Punts Too
1. (8) Calvin Johnson (Det - WR)
2. (13) A.J. Green (Cin - WR)
3. (28) Darren Sproles (NO - RB)
4. (33) Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)
5. (48) Doug Martin (TB - RB)
6. (53) Willis McGahee (Den - RB)
7. (68) Andrew Luck (Ind - QB)
8. (73) Pierre Garcon (Was - WR)
9. (88) Joe Flacco (Bal - QB)
10. (93) Fred Davis (Was - TE)
11. (108) Russell Wilson (Sea - QB)
12. (113) David Wilson (NYG - RB)
13. (128) Greg Olsen (Car - TE)
14. (133) Seattle (Sea - DEF)
15. (148) Mike Nugent (Cin - K)
16. (153) Owen Daniels (Hou - TE)
17. (168) Steven Hauschka (Sea - K)
18. (173) Mike Williams (TB - WR)
19. (188) Rashard Mendenhall (Pit - RB)
Royal Apes
1. (9) Matthew Stafford (Det - QB)
2. (12) Wes Welker (NE - WR)
3. (29) Jamaal Charles (KC - RB)
4. (32) Steven Jackson (StL - RB)
5. (49) Mike Wallace (Pit - WR)
6. (52) Marques Colston (NO - WR)
7. (69) Dwayne Bowe (KC - WR)
8. (72) Aaron Hernandez (NE - TE)
9. (89) Carson Palmer (Oak - QB)
10. (92) Jonathan Stewart (Car - RB)
11. (109) Matt Cassel (KC - QB)
12. (112) C.J. Spiller (Buf - RB)
13. (129) Titus Young (Det - WR)
14. (132) Jacob Tamme (Den - TE)
15. (149) Buffalo (Buf - DEF)
16. (152) New England (NE - DEF)
17. (169) Alex Henery (Phi - K)
18. (172) Nate Kaeding (SD - K)
19. (189) Tim Tebow (NYJ - QB)
Eleven Masked Men
1. (10) Matt Forte (Chi - RB)
2. (11) Jimmy Graham (NO - TE)
3. (30) Matt Schaub (Hou - QB)
4. (31) Jay Cutler (Chi - QB)
5. (50) Michael Turner (Atl - RB)
6. (51) Frank Gore (SF - RB)
7. (70) Miles Austin (Dal - WR)
8. (71) Robert Meachem (SD - WR)
9. (90) Santonio Holmes (NYJ - WR)
10. (91) Jermichael Finley (GB - TE)
11. (110) Sam Bradford (StL - QB)
12. (111) Denarius Moore (Oak - WR)
13. (130) Stephen Gostkowski (NE - K)
14. (131) Baltimore (Bal - DEF)
15. (150) New York (NYJ - DEF)
16. (151) Pierre Thomas (NO - RB)
17. (170) Jason Hanson (Det - K)
18. (171) Sidney Rice (Sea - WR)
19. (190) Kendall Hunter (SF - RB)

[Julio Riddols]

In? :)

Edit: I'll take number 10.

[Scoobz0202]

Ya, I'll get it out of the way as well. I'm in.

[Danny]

In

[Butter]

I'm also in.

[TRO]

In to defend my crown.

[Butter]

I'll take #5.

[Masked]

In, 7

[TRO]

#1

[Scoobz0202]

Ya, I'll get it out of the way as well. I'm in.


#3

[Butter]

#1


:p:p:p:p

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Ok, I think I've messed with the scoring enough. Make sure to check the changes- we have a minor position change (2nd TE became TE/WR, added FLEX) and I played quite a bit with the scoring as it's been a couple of seasons since overhauling it so take a good look.

Draft this seasons is going to be a 2 hour clock until next Monday and then 1 hour next week until Thursday. I will be out of town over the weekend so I won't be able to enforce anything (or draft much) so I'm going to need some help to keep things moving. Honestly, I'm hoping to get this draft done in the next week and a half but that's a tall order.

I sent out invites to everyone from last seasons except Julio Riddols (no email in Yahoo)- PM me so I can send the league invite. I'll get the first post caught up with draft numbers- if you've been here, you know the drill.

If you've read all of this and still might want to play, post here to join the waiting list: first come, first serve.

SI

[sterlingice]

Remember to post numbers here and, to make it easier on me, team names :)

SI

[Chief Rum]

If anyone drops out, I would like to be considered for a spot please.

[sterlingice]

You're first on the waiting list. With a quick turnaround this year, you'll know pretty quickly

SI

[sterlingice]

The first post should be up to date now. I'm heading out in a little but should be able to update tonight. And, if not, tomorrow morning and then all day tomorrow.

SI

[Subby]

I am intrigued by this set up and would be interested in a spot if one opens.

Thanks.

[Julio Riddols]

Tasty Punts Too takes #10.

[Danny]

11 rkc

[rafini]

Rafini Express, #2

[sterlingice]

11 rkc

This isn't Spinal Tap. We don't go to 11 ;)

SI

[sterlingice]

1st post should be updated now.

Rafini, Butter_of_69, Masked- please join the league in Yahoo asap

Danny, I need a number from you

We haven't heard from 2 teams so we may have spots open but returners have until noon tomorrow to claim their spots

SI

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Top post updated. Looks like 7 teams are in Yahoo so Butter needs to join and I need a number from Danny. Still haven't heard from the two returners (LastWhiteSoxFanStanding and k0ruptr)

SI

[Danny]

8

[Butter]

Joined.

[sterlingice]

Looks like 8 of 10 are returning, tho the last 2 still have about 4 hours to check in. I'm looking to move quickly on this so once we have a full league, I'm ready to start the draft.

Now-Noon ET: LastWhiteSoxFanStanding and k0ruptr have chance to rejoin
Noon ET-ASAP: Any open spots will go to those on the waiting list (Chief Rum, Subby). I need you to post a number and team name and PM me an email address. I'll send you an invite to the league.
Noon ET-noon ET tomorrow: Soft start to the draft. Once we have the draft order, picks can be made with no worrying about the clock.
Noon ET tomorrow: Draft starts in earnest- 2 hour clock enforced between 8am ET and 10pm ET.
Next Monday 8am ET: 1 hour clock enforced between 8am ET and 10pm ET

It's a pretty strict clock this year so make sure you can hold to it or make sure you have good lists to pass to someone else

Also, teams are free to change their names (Rafini already did)- I was just using last year's names as a placeholder.

SI

[Scoobz0202]

I didnt realize we were starting so soon but i may be sloe until 4:30est today. Ill make sure to have lists after today.

[sterlingice]

That's cool- it's a soft start today. If we have progress, great. If not, no big deal. Tomorrow is when we actually start.

SI

[Chief Rum]

Out of respect for the two remaining members who have not checked in, I won't post a number or try to grab a team yet. But I will do that in around 40 minutes if they haven't.

[sterlingice]

I appreciate that and wouldn't have it any other way.

We don't play for money but a lot of us have been playing this for quite a few years and I always let first choice go to the returners. I think between that and the time sunk into the draft helps keep the league active

I'm hoping that "simplifying" the scoring this season makes it a bit easier to get its hands around. I'm still not terribly happy with DST and K scoring but we'll see how it goes- if it feels like the right things are being measured. I want kickers to be a mix of opportunity and skill with the latter meaning more (a 19+29 yard FG are worth as many points as 1 50 yard FG).

I want defense to, well, be a function of how good a defense is. There were some options about yardage for team defense and I may use that next season. I think I may even cut the return game out of things and just measure the defense. I've always thought it weird that D/ST get lumped in together in fantasy.

SI

[Chief Rum]

Okay, it appears that those two spots are now open. So I will submit my info here.

Chief's Savages--Chief Rum--9

I will PM SI my email address to join the league.

[Subby]

Team Name: Housewives on Acid

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[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Won't be able to participate this year fellas, good luck to everyone!

[sterlingice]

Won't be able to participate this year fellas, good luck to everyone!

Sad to see you go. Thanks for playing last year :)

SI

[sterlingice]

Top post has been updated with all team info. I need an email address from Chief Rum and already sent an invite in Yahoo to Subby. Draft order will be posted shortly.

Returning folks: please make sure to go over the rule changes- they aren't too major but there are more than we've had in the last couple of seasons.

New folks: two things. First, the rules are different than most leagues you play in. There's an emphasis on positional scarcity. You won't be able to just pick up a good QB off the WW so the draft is hugely important. Secondly, the draft is pretty rigorous: you'll need to be able to check it multiple times per day for the next couple of weeks. If you can't or aren't comfortable with giving someone a list each morning/afternoon, don't join.

All that said, welcome aboard, all. Draft order will be posted shortly with some reminders (PM the next person up, Yahoo doesn't remove searchable names, etc) and then we're under way. Ideally, about a week and a half for the draft this season. Much more than that and it's going to get complicated, timing-wise.

SI

[sterlingice]

Draft order is posted in post 1 (and here). Please take a couple of minutes to read the reminders, too.

Draft Order
1. Rafalicous D - Rafini, 2
2. Houston Hippopotami - sterlingice, 6
3. Dayton Dynamo - Butter_of_69, 5
4. Roadkill Cafe - Danny, 8
5. Chief's Savages -Chief Rum, 9
6. Scoobz0202 - Scoobz0202, 3
7. Housewives on Acid - Subby, 4
8. Tasty Punts Too - Julio Riddols, 10
9. Royal Apes - TRO, 1
10. Eleven Masked Men - Masked, 7

Reminders:
1. If you could post your picks in a format like this "1.1 QB Warren Moon, HOU", it would be greatly appreciated. The bold helps it stand out from the random other chatter. Also, the position and team name make it easier for me to enter it into and find the right player. There are two WR Steve Smiths still in the league, for instance, and this helps out with putting the right names into Yahoo.
2. PM the person after you! This is extremely important this season with the quick schedule. Personally, I don't have thread subscriptions turned on so I don't see every time someone posts in the thread, but I do get an email every time I get a PM so that is helpful.
3. Yes, I'm the commish but I always am thankful for help. I'll be able to check multiple times per day but I won't be on every hour on the hour. If it's been more than the allotted time (2 hours this week, 1 hour next week), make the pick so the next person can go. It's nothing personal, we're not being mean, but we need to keep it moving. If someone posts in the thread "I'm here", be nice and let them make the pick (within reason- I mean if the posted it like 3 hours ago, well, you know...). But if you're late with the pick and you post "I'm here", make the pick in the next few minutes.
4. We've never had issues with table talk in my 2 leagues during the draft: it's meant to be a nice, friendly league and we all have access to the same information. So if I say "You know, I had a hard time deciding between Morten Anderson and Tony Zendejas but I went with Morten", don't get mad because Zendejas was your big sleeper and he gets picked right before you: if he was that big of a sleeper, you should have picked him last round. Heck, use table talk to your advantage: maybe I really don't like Zendejas and want someone else to pick him because I'm really hoping Chip Lohmiller falls to me. Just don't be an ass and it's up to my discretion who's being an ass. This is meant to be a nice, friendly league.
5. We're using Yahoo for the draft and I'll try to keep that up to date as often as I can. I'll also try to keep up with the draft in post #5. However, there's a quirk in Yahoo with regards to players remaining in the pool. If you go to the "Players" tab in Yahoo, it will take the drafted players out of the pool and you'll only see who is left. However, if you search on a name- it will give you all players with that name, available or not. So, if Warren Moon was picked 1.1 and I'm at 1.2, I won't see him in the available players. However, if I search on "Moon", he will show up even tho he's been picked.



The soft draft is live. Rafini is sortof on the clock ("sortof" because no clock until tomorrow)

SI

[Chief Rum]

Top post has been updated with all team info. I need an email address from Chief Rum and already sent an invite in Yahoo to Subby. Draft order will be posted shortly.

SI

Hey, SI, you got my PM right?

[sterlingice]

Hey, SI, you got my PM right?

Yeah, just responded- juggling a couple of things at lunch here at work

SI

[rafini]

Let's get things going. With the first overall pick of the 2012 draft, Rafalicious D selects ...

1.1 QB Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay

[sterlingice]

Rodgers is a total no brainer 1.1 in this league. I wish I was picking in the 5-7 range this season. In this league, there are 3 QBs, 3 RBs, and a WR that I would be perfectly happy to have in round 1 and then I'd have a lot better pick in round 2 than I'll be getting. I'm really not feeling the (near) bookend pick because of the balanced nature of just wanting to pick the best available on the board.

1.2 QB Drew Brees, NO

1st in points last year, 13th 2 years ago, and probably somewhere in the top 25 each of his years in New Orleans. In this league, I draft for floor. I have a slight concern that the bounty scandal will spill over to the offense but other than that, I have him both in this league and the FOFC Keeper league, the other football league I play in.

SI

[sterlingice]

For the record, I had a really similar writeup all done for Brady and then compared their numbers and went with Brees instead. I wanted to have a different QB than I did in the keeper league but he just has an edge over Brady and having owned Brady before, I don't like having to make decisions for December starts based on Boston weather

SI

[Chief Rum]

Brees has led me to two separate championships in two seasons separated by a year. Very consistently awesome. He's a terrific pick at #2 and I wouldn't have batted an eye if you picked him over Rodgers, given the chance.

[Chief Rum]

For the record, I had a really similar writeup all done for Brady and then compared their numbers and went with Brees instead. I wanted to have a different QB than I did in the keeper league but he just has an edge over Brady and having owned Brady before, I don't like having to make decisions for December starts based on Boston weather

SI

Brady is also terrific, of course, but, yes, Brees is a relative no-brainer, IMO.

[Butter]

1.3 QB Tom Brady, NE

Can't pass up the star QB here, as I feel like I can get better RB value later than I can for QB... just don't blow out your knee, man. Please.

[sterlingice]

Brady is also terrific, of course, but, yes, Brees is a relative no-brainer, IMO.

In the past, I've thought the path to the title in this league led through an elite QB or a pair of very strong ones. This year, I think there are a few sleeper QBs and enough q's at RB and enough strong WRs that you could go RB/WR/QB/RB/WR/QB, for instance, and win this league. The top 3 RBs have a level of consistency rarely seen at RB and there's a benefit to paying that premium where those of us looking among the Shonn Greenes, Frank Gores, and Ahmad Bradshaws of the world for our RB2 will be in a world of hurt. It hasn't always been that way.

(Brady/Brees and Forte/Murray/Matthews) or (Rice/Foster/McCoy and Eli/Ryan)? I think I'd prefer that second pairing.

SI

[TRO]

Rodgers led us to the title game the past two years. Not having him will hurt, but at least he went #1.

[Chief Rum]

I presume Danny has been PM'd?

[Butter]

Yes.

[sterlingice]

Presumably by Butter (EDIT: n/m, clearly he did). I will tend to do it on 6 hour drafts if we're getting down to an hour or so left but I'm hoping everyone does their part and sends a PM right after their pick. With these quick drafts, I can't keep up fast enough or have the inbox space to do it.

SI

[Danny]

Man, sorry guys! Super busy day at work, didn't even get to take lunch. I will be picking in a minute

[Danny]

1.4 Arian Foster, RB HOU

[Chief Rum]

I am glad Danny picked Foster. Honestly, it was just messing me up trying to pick between the two of these guys...

1.5 Ray Rice, RB BAL

[Danny]

Yeah, they were easily the top two players on my board (including those already picked).

[Scoobz0202]

1.6 LeSean McCoy, RB PHI

[Scoobz0202]

I honestly would have taken any of the Big Three RB's this year (Foster, Rice, McCoy). Flip a coin. Had all three fallen I was going elsewhere, but here he sits.

edit: I have PMed Subby, btw.

[sterlingice]

Exactly- you really can't go wrong with any of the 6

SI

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, they were easily the top two players on my board (including those already picked).


I honestly would have taken any of the Big Three RB's this year (Foster, Rice, McCoy). Flip a coin. Had all three fallen I was going elsewhere, but here he sits.

edit: I have PMed Subby, btw.

The Big Three, as we call them here, each brought so much to the table.

Foster's pros is he is almost certainly the best pure yard chewer of the bunch, and his receptions took a sharp uptick last season. His downside is his potential for injury and the presence of Ben Tate.

Rice was just all around excellent both rushing and receiving, and he is definitely the best receiver of the three and targeted a lot. He's the most like Marshall Faulk from back in the day that I can remember.

McCoy isn't as prolific a receiver as Rice and didn't show the same ability there as Foster last year (although I'll wait to see if Foster does it again). Also, his team is less obviously dependent on him than the teams of those others, with the uninspiring Flacco or WR corps in BAL and the oft-injured Schaub and no help from any other receivers Johnson in HOU. That said, damn, he does it all, he's so electric and 17 TDs on the ground, holy cow. I put him third of the three, though, just so slightly because I don't think he can reproduce that scoring total.

[Danny]

Mccoy is excellent, but I do put him on a slightly separate tier from Rice and Foster. After those three, there is another tier with a good sized drop off.

[Subby]

1.7 Cam Newton, QB CAR

[Subby]

Again - why I am so bad at fantasy football. I take the guys I love to watch, not necessarily the best picks.

[Scoobz0202]

Whatever floats your boat, Subby.

He sure as hell is fun to watch.

[Chief Rum]

Again - why I am so bad at fantasy football. I take the guys I love to watch, not necessarily the best picks.

Would I have picked Newton here? No. There are players who are more likely to have better seasons still available, and at his position, too.

Would I then thusly poo poo this pick? Hell no. Newton is an uber pass-rush-score threat in fantasy land, and you have to assume he will take another step forward in his development and be a better overall player.

Frankly, assuming the top QBs I see remaining were gone, Newton was a likely target of mine in the second round (damn you :D ).

[Julio Riddols]

Let me weigh my options, and I will get a pick in in a few.

[Julio Riddols]

1.8 Calvin Johnson WR DET

[sterlingice]

I'd have gone Johnson at 7 and had Stafford higher than Newton but he's someone strongly on my radar at 9. In short, like CR said, not that far of a drop.

Speaking of CR, join the league once you get a chance so I can start inputting draft results.

SI

[TRO]

1.9 QB Matthew Stafford, DET

[TRO]

Was hoping to get a Stafford/Megatron combo, but alas...

[Masked]

1.10 RB Matt Forte, CHI
2.1 TE Jimmy Graham, NOS

In 20 picks, I think I'll have interesting options at all positions except TE

[TRO]

2.2 WR Wes Welker, NE

[sterlingice]

Ok, everyone's in Yahoo so I have entered the draft results through 2.2

Also, I have posted them in post #5.

Just a reminder from post 1 because this seems to come up every draft we have: "We're using Yahoo for the draft and I'll try to keep that up to date as often as I can. I'll also try to keep up with the draft in post #5. However, there's a quirk in Yahoo with regards to players remaining in the pool. If you go to the "Players" tab in Yahoo, it will take the drafted players out of the pool and you'll only see who is left. However, if you search on a name- it will give you all players with that name, available or not. So, if Warren Moon was picked 1.1 and I'm at 1.2, I won't see him in the available players. However, if I search on "Moon", he will show up even tho he's been picked."

After noon ET today, we're on the 2 hour clock. So, starting at noon, the person who is up has to have picked by 2pm.

SI

[Julio Riddols]

2.3 A.J. Green, WR, CIN

[Subby]

2.4 Gronk, TE, New England

[TRO]

Subby, you can't just copy my team from last year :p

[Subby]

yes I can!

[Scoobz0202]

2.5 Julio Jones WR ATL

[Scoobz0202]

Not sure if I made the right decision, but I'm excited to see what he can do.

[sterlingice]

There are so many good WRs out there it seems. They are worth huge points, if you can hit on them, tho.

SI

[Chief Rum]

2.6 RB Chris Johnson TEN

Go figure. Like a regular fantasy draft, I pick two running backs to start. There is a sharp drop down in RB quality coming with five off the board now, while I felt the drop off in receivers and QBs is much smaller. With TEs, we're already at the drop, with the top two gone already.

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 2.6

List pick will always be top player on the Yahoo o-rank. Right now that's Ryan Matthews, who will unfortunately be auto-picked in about 15 minutes if no pick is made. Then Butter is up with me next

SI

[Danny]

2.7 Darren McFadden rb oak

Can some pm next pick for me thank!

[sterlingice]

Butter appears to already be here but if he doesn't pick in the next 15, I'll PM him

SI

[Butter]

2.8 WR Larry Fitzgerald, ARI

[sterlingice]

Damn you, good sir

SI

[sterlingice]

2.9 WR Roddy White, ATL

I had Fitz a little above 2 other WRs but went with who I had next on the board. WRs are such big points in this league that it makes it tough to not grab them above the other two skill positions even if they are rarer.

SI

[sterlingice]

TRO seems to be reading this thread so I don't know if he needs a PM

SI

[sterlingice]

Poor Danny- with TRO, Butter, and myself all here- it'll be right back to him in no time

SI

[Butter]

At least he's trying, God bless 'im.

[Danny]

Im not in the classroom or with students at the moment so hopefully I can come back up again while I am in the office

[Scoobz0202]

If you want, Danny, you can PM me a list of players if it gets to the point where you have to leave the office.

[sterlingice]

Not sure where TRO wandered off to, but I PM'd him

SI

[TRO]

I would LOVE to pick again here, but it is rafini's pick. Not mine.

[Chief Rum]

2.7 Darren McFadden rb oak

Can some pm next pick for me thank!

You got a PM for this pick, according to my Sent Messages box. ;)

[rafini]

2.10 QB Eli Manning, NYG
3.1 RB Maurice Jones-Drew, Jac

Hopefully MJD doesn't bite me in the ass by sitting out half the season.

[sterlingice]

I would LOVE to pick again here, but it is rafini's pick. Not mine.

Haha- whoops. Looking at last year's thread for draft order

SI

[TRO]

Rodgers & Eli is a hell of a combination. If MJD doesn't hold out - you will be fierce.

[rafini]

I hate drafting first. Went with a second QB a little earlier than I had hoped but it's such a long time until my next pick I didn't want to end up with somebody like Flacco or Freeman in my lineup.

[Danny]

You got a PM for this pick, according to my Sent Messages box. ;)

Yeah I got two actually! I meant pm the guy after me for me

[Chief Rum]

Yeah I got two actually! I meant pm the guy after me for me

Ah ha! Well, that's me. You should be okay, since I am not going anywhere.

[Danny]

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

[sterlingice]

God- I hate all of the RB there right now as they seem like huge questions marks or reaches. There are the three "R" QBs which will not make it back to me but they all are a little bit of a reach. And then there's a couple of quality WRs out there I really like but we only start 3 or 4 and there are inconsistencies at that position which make values so much better later in the draft after locking in good production from other positions earlier on.

SI

[Scoobz0202]

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

I do. But then I went and selected Julio Jones so that may tell you something about my value picking.

Although, it was a toss up between him and McFadden. I had typed McFadden in but spur of the moment deleted it and said fuck it, Julio Jones it is.

[sterlingice]

Makes me a little queasy to make this reach, but

3.2 QB Matt Ryan, ATL

I'd rather be picking at the middle of this round where I could get one of him, Romo, Rivers, or Vick (maybe Manning) but then it feels like a pretty steep drop off.

SI

[TRO]

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

Unsure. If you are meaning value based drafting techniques period - no. If there is a specific tool - yes.

With the way our league is set up, each position gets pretty thin. Though I think TE is deeper than normal since we now only require 1 starter there.

I do think Manning was a reach at 20, but he likely would not have been available at 40.

[sterlingice]

Not to be mean but mannIng is horrible value pick. Am I the only one who uses vbd?

What projections are you using for VBD and do you account for the scarcity difference between this and other leagues (the 20th QB being the baseline not the 10th, and all)?

SI

[Danny]

Yes I use a customizable app from footballguys.

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 3.2

SI

[rafini]

Eli was the 6th highest scoring QB in the league last year and scored over 100 points more than the QBs in the 14-15 range. There were also 25 WRs that all scored within 100 points of each other, meaning WR is deep as hell while top-end QBs are the most consistent high-point scorers in the league.

[Julio Riddols]

I think QB Ryan might finally pay off. Seems like a great pick to me.

[sterlingice]

This draft seems so odd. Ideally, you'd have picked one of the top QBs (Rodgers/Brees/Brady/Stafford/Newton?) and one RB near the top (Foster/Rice/McCoy/Johnson/Forte/McFadden) but no one has that and they were fairly evenly distributed in the 1st and 2nd rounds thru 2.7. Only one team has 2 of them and it's 2 RBs (Chief). Everyone else threw a dart at a TE or WR in the hope to make big points there.

So here's where I found myself:

Eli Manning could be in that group or he may not be in that group but I think he's more the top of the next group which includes Vick (injury concerns), Ryan (never been top 5), Rivers (stupid INTs), Romo (kindof stupid in general), PManning (huge injury ?).

On the RB side, there's MJD (holding out still with Jennings there), Matthews (hurt), Richardson (hurt), Lynch (completely inconsistent and likely suspended), Murray (has he even started half a season yet), Peterson (recovering), Charles (recovering), Turner (old), Jackson (injury prone)... I'd rather take some more fliers later on.

At WR, there are 3 really big names I think out there: Andre Johnson (injury) and Jordy Nelson (one season) fighting with Greg Jennings (concussoin) for catches in GB where they probably have enough for each to go around if not for the question marks. And I picked Roddy White as he's been Mr. Consistent even on the wrong side of 30. It was between him and Johnson for pick #1.

SI

[Butter]

3.3 QB Tony Romo, DAL

[Chief Rum]

In a league where we start two QBs, I think it is foolish to go past the third round without at least one QB.

[Butter]

You nailed it, SI. Every RB I went to take, it was like... do I really want this guy?

Romo, even with his injury racked up the points last year. If he can stay upright, yes I definitely want him.

[Chief Rum]

You nailed it, SI. Every RB I went to take, it was like... do I really want this guy?

Romo, even with his injury racked up the points last year. If he can stay upright, yes I definitely want him.

In the end, this is why I went with Johnson over a second tier QB or the last of the remaining top tier WRs. I just didn't see the dropoff at QB or WR that I saw with RBs.

At the point I was drafting, I felt there were two clear cut elite RBs left, in CJ and MJD. Everyone after, including McFadden, has serious question marks. MJD being in a holdout made my choice easy, once I decided to go RB.

[sterlingice]

There is going to be some quibbling around the edges, to be sure. I was looking at some McFadden reviews just as that pick came in and had decided on Fitz when the pick before me came in (d'oh) but I'd feel comfortable with McFadden this year. Yes, injury history, but he looks ok now and has the potential to be an actual 3 down back. That said, he wasn't on the board when it got to me so I didn't look much further

SI

[Butter]

I did PM Danny.

[Chief Rum]

There is going to be some quibbling around the edges, to be sure. I was looking at some McFadden reviews just as that pick came in and had decided on Fitz when the pick before me came in (d'oh) but I'd feel comfortable with McFadden this year. Yes, injury history, but he looks ok now and has the potential to be an actual 3 down back. That said, he wasn't on the board when it got to me so I didn't look much further

SI

I actually like McFadden a lot--I had him on one of my fantasy teams the past two years, and when he wasn't hurt, he was very effective, especially at the start of last year. But he has been hurt too much too often to not heavily consider that in his value. I will be stunned if he plays in more than 13 games this year, and presume it will be closer to 10. I think the Raiders were incredibly dumb to let Michael Bush get away.

All that said, I do like McFadden and wish Danny good luck with him.

[sterlingice]

BTW, considering this is my league and I have never won it- any fantasy advice I give should be taken with a boulder of salt :D

SI

[Scoobz0202]

Yea, the one thing that I, and I'm sure many, run into is trying to find that balance of value vs. positional runs vs. team needs. I tend to try and stay away from the runs, but then sometimes I wait too long.

When Vick was injured last year my team went to shit. And here I sit in round 3 not wanting to take a QB yet.

[Chief Rum]

Shoot, wish Danny had left a list.

[Danny]

3.4 RB Demarco Murray DAL

I did read correctly that we can start 3 RB this year right?

[Chief Rum]

3.5 Peyton Manning, QB DEN

[TRO]

3.4 RB Demarco Murray DAL

I did read correctly that we can start 3 RB this year right?

RB
RB
RB/WR/TE

[Chief Rum]

I PM'd Scoobz, BTW.

[Scoobz0202]

Let me do some research. Stay tuned Subby

[Scoobz0202]

3.6 Philip Rivers QB SD

[Julio Riddols]

I love how this is a life draft.

[Subby]

here and picking momentarily...

[Scoobz0202]

I love how this is a life draft.

Yea, I almost prefer this to "live" drafts.

[Julio Riddols]

We're picking to save ourselves!

[Subby]

3.7 Andre Johnson, WR, HOU

[Julio Riddols]

3.8 Darren fuckin Sproles, RB, NOS

This pick was a toss up between like 20 guys for me.

[TRO]

Bah! I was hoping that Sproles would slip. I think that is a great pick.

[Subby]

Pretty sure he ruptured his ballsack today.

[TRO]

3.9 RB Jamaal Charles, KC

Slight homer pick, but if he returns to form and doesn't have all of his TDs vultured, could be a steal.

[Scoobz0202]

If i didnt want to grab a QB I was going to take the risk with Charles. Pre-injury he was going to be a premier back. We'll see..

[Masked]

3.10 QB Matt Schaub, Hou
4.1 QB Jay Cutler, Chi

[Danny]

Great value with Charles and a Johnson.

[TRO]

4.2 RB Steven Jackson, STL

[Julio Riddols]

Nice pick with Jackson. Damn.

[Julio Riddols]

4.3 Ben "I hate you but I guess I need you" Roethlisberger, QB, PIT

[Danny]

Charle and Jackson were fantastic bac to back picks

[Subby]

4.4 Adrian Peterson, RB, MIN

[Subby]

Not like us to evenly draft. I usually have 3 QB by now.

[Scoobz0202]

4.5 Ahmad Bradshaw RB NYG

[Scoobz0202]

CR, delete some messages mang!

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 4.5

I'll have to catch up on commenting later but wow what a QB run- glad I went Ryan now. And Johnson and Jackson look like nice bargains where they are.

SI

[sterlingice]

Technically, CR has until 9am ET tomorrow morning as his 2 hours won't expire until then but sooner would be nice :)

SI

[Chief Rum]

Haha sorry. I'm working. I'll pick in a sec.

[Danny]

He picks Rhett Bomar

[Scoobz0202]

Where does that fall on your value chart, Danny

[Danny]

Bomar is off the charts

[Scoobz0202]

I am not a fan of picking in the middle. Combined with this being the least amount of time I've put into football and fantasy football during the offseason in about five years and I have the start of a team that I dislike.

grumblegrumblegrumble

[Danny]

Who do you have do far?

[Scoobz0202]

Rivers
McCoy
Bradshaw
Julio Jones

[sterlingice]

I just caught up with my lists and I know Vick is a little dinged up by Cutler, Schaub, and Roethlisberger before him?

SI

[sterlingice]

Anyways- bedtime for me. Next updates will be in the morning

SI

[Chief Rum]

4.6 Michael Vick, QB PHI

Could someone please PM Danny for me?

[Scoobz0202]

He's around

[Danny]

4.7 WR Brandon Marshall, CHI

[Danny]

I love my team so far

[Scoobz0202]

Your running backs are something fierce.

[Butter]

4.8 RB Fred Jackson, BUF

[sterlingice]

4.9 RB Marshawn Lynch, SEA

I'm not convinced that what we saw last year is what to expect this year as opposed to the previous 3. But there's not much competition for the job and at late round 4, he seems like a bargain.

SI

[rafini]

Lynch was going to be one of my picks. This should be interesting since I have both of their QBs ...

4.10 WR Greg Jennings, GB
5.1 WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG

[sterlingice]

Ok, you made this a little tougher on me. I had 2 players on my list and you took neither. A good problem to have, I suppose

SI

[Butter]

Whichever one you take, I'll be there to clean up the scraps.

[sterlingice]

5.2 RB Ryan Matthews, SD
Yes, broken clavicle and all

SI

[sterlingice]

Sorry, thought I had posted that but got drug away for an impromptu meeting

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 5.2

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[Butter]

5.3 WR Jordy Nelson, GB

[Butter]

I thought you were deciding between Jordy and someone else, not Mathews. I don't have any faith in either that or Trent Richardson's knee, so I am not drafting them. But if round 6 comes around and Trent is still on the board, maybe.

[Danny]

5.4 Victor Cruz WR, NYG

[sterlingice]

I thought you were deciding between Jordy and someone else, not Mathews. I don't have any faith in either that or Trent Richardson's knee, so I am not drafting them. But if round 6 comes around and Trent is still on the board, maybe.

I was deciding between Matthews and Jordy so you did pick the other on my list. I had a list of Matthews, Jennings, and Nelson after going with Lynch and Jennings went off the board. At the end, I went with the "you know, if there's any hope he can stay healthy, he's a big find this low"- he's one of the few backs in the league that could also be a 3 downer with little competition and those are so rare nowadays. Also, I think there are so many WRs out there worth points that I figured I could wait a little longer. Tho I think last year will prove to be the high water mark for offense and we'll start heading the other direction this year.

As for Richardson, I think busted knee and broken clavicle are two completely different injuries. Matthews should be completely healed of the clavicle by week 4 and there shouldn't be any recurrence. The problem with him is that he could shatter like glass on the next play from scrimmage even once healed.

I could be totally set at RB with a pair of bargains or I could also have two completely awful backs on my team if Lynch becomes the 2008-10 model and Matthews is the second coming of Fred Taylor.

SI

[TRO]

Lynch was going to be one of my picks. This should be interesting since I have both of their QBs ...

4.10 WR Greg Jennings, GB
5.1 WR Hakeem Nicks, NYG

Both are steals at this point.

[Chief Rum]

5.5 Steve Smith, WR CAR

[Scoobz0202]

5.6 Reggie Bush RB MIA

[TRO]

Danny picking up Marshall and Cruz in the last pair looks really good.

[sterlingice]

After about round 6 or 7, I'll throw out notes about how everyone looks to me if I have time

SI

[Chief Rum]

Danny picking up Marshall and Cruz in the last pair looks really good.

I was eyeballing Cruz big time, so it was a massive disappointment to lose him the pick before I went.

That said, I am not unhappy to now have Steve Smith.

[Subby]

5.7 Trent Richardson, RB, CLE

[Julio Riddols]

5.8 Doug Martin, RB, T.B.

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 5.8

SI

[TRO]

5.9 WR Mike Wallace, PIT

[Masked]

5.10 RB Michael Turner, Atl
6.1 RB Frank Gore, SF

If only it was 3 years ago.

[TRO]

6.2 WR Marques Colston, NO

[Julio Riddols]

6.3 Willis McGahee, RB, DEN

[Chief Rum]

5.10 RB Michael Turner, Atl
6.1 RB Frank Gore, SF

If only it was 3 years ago.

Yeah, but getting those guys in the fifth and sixth round is quite impressive. I need WRs far more than RBs, but I was eyeing both of these guys anyway. Good job.

[Subby]

6.4 Demaryius Thomas, WR, DEN

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 6.4

We've made great progress so far! I'd be thrilled if we could finish before I leave for Labor Day next Thursday.

SI

[Scoobz0202]

6.5 Eric Decker WR DEN

Not the best value, but I want him and not willing to wait.

[Chief Rum]

6.6 Percy Harvin, WR MIN

[Chief Rum]

After Masked cleanly swept up either of the starting RBs left whom I was interested in, I was left to hoping Harvin would fall to me. I really like getting him at this point in the draft, since he does so much, and I am expecting that offense to improve as Ponder gets more comfortable.

[Scoobz0202]

Yea, I was deciding between Decker and Harvin and while I like Harvin I am onboard the Manning-Decker train.

My team is uninspiring. Hopefully I surprise myself.

[Chief Rum]

Yea, I was deciding between Decker and Harvin and while I like Harvin I am onboard the Manning-Decker train.

My team is uninspiring. Hopefully I surprise myself.

I like Decker, too, better than Thomas in that offense. But I have Manning himself. I didn't think it would be wise to make not only Manning, but also Decker subject to Manning's health on my one team. It is bad enough I have big injury risks in Manning and Vick at QB.

[Danny]

6.7 Dez Bryant, WR, DAL

You guys trying to give me the title? ;)

[sterlingice]

How many people in this draft are in their first draft this season? This is my second and it seems like this one is more representative (once you take out the rule changes) of what players' true "projected values" are. You see some pretty big influences where guys who are "likes" really moved up the board to what people think are their true potential and "dislikes" dropped a lot so they become bargains.

SI

[Chief Rum]

6.7 Dez Bryant, WR, DAL

You guys trying to give me the title? ;)

I thought this was fantasy football, not fantasy beat yo mama?

[sterlingice]

6.7 Dez Bryant, WR, DAL

You guys trying to give me the title? ;)

Gotta pick 2 QBs at some point ;)

Tho there are 3 or 4 I'd still be happy with as my QB2 right now. Heck, there's one I'd be fine with as my QB1.

SI

[Scoobz0202]

Im a dallas fan and wasnt interested in Dez

[Danny]

I sent Chief a list, he can pick for me as soon as my pick comes up.

[TRO]

If you can't have one of the top tier QBs, it is hard to argue with loading up on the RBs and WRs. The drop offs at RB now are dramatic and the WR values were very very good.

[sterlingice]

Looks like Butter, myself, and Rafini are all reading this thread so we'll have this thing turned around again here in a little bit. I have a meeting at 2, but it's on the phone so I can still pick. I just might be a little slow.

SI

[Butter]

6.8 - WR Jeremy Maclin, PHI

[Danny]

I really hate the late teen + 20+ ranked RB's this year. Usually there are at least a couple I like, but this year I dont get excited about any of them.

[Chief Rum]

I really hate the late teen + 20+ ranked RB's this year. Usually there are at least a couple I like, but this year I dont get excited about any of them.

Me, too. We have really hit a cliff in terms of RBs. If you don't have your two top guys already, you will either have to get lucky and one of these remaining guys pans out much better than we thought, or you better hope you made carry the team level picks at QB and WR.

[Masked]

I really hate the late teen + 20+ ranked RB's this year. Usually there are at least a couple I like, but this year I dont get excited about any of them.

Yes, this is what pushed me into grabbing the 2 RBs at my last pick. I felt that I'd have better luck filling out the WRs in the later rounds.

[sterlingice]

6.9 TE Antonio Gates, SD

There are a lot of good TEs out there but I think they're going to start going off the board fairly quickly and I wanted to get the one I thought was at the top of the stack as no other players are really jumping out at me.

SI

[k0ruptr]

booooo! just got my internet hooked up in new apartment! looks like i just missed my invite! sorry guys, and whoever got my spot - best of luck :)

[Subby]

You want your team back? They suck so far. :D

[k0ruptr]

lmao - you will think that for about 6 weeks, then go on a tear and finish top 4... or that how its supposed to work.

[rafini]

6.10 RB BenJarvis Green-Ellis, Cin
7.1 WR Brandon Lloyd, NE

[TRO]

6.9 TE Antonio Gates, SD

There are a lot of good TEs out there but I think they're going to start going off the board fairly quickly and I wanted to get the one I thought was at the top of the stack as no other players are really jumping out at me.

SI

I normally like to get my TEs early in this draft, but the requirement of only 1 TE starter really lessens their value IMO.

[sterlingice]

I normally like to get my TEs early in this draft, but the requirement of only 1 TE starter really lessens their value IMO.

I agree, tho it's slightly offset by the PPR nature of the league. It's something to consider for next year's league. However, you usually were starting someone in the dregs for your 2nd TE here and I wanted to get away from that.

SI

[Danny]

I agree with TRO, TE's actually have weaker value in this league now compared to a standard league.

The reason is that say a TE like Gronk is a +100 over the 11th ranked TE. Then lets say in standard league a guy like Charles is +70 over the 21st ranked RB. Because we have that extra RB flex spot, that adds an extra +30 or so to Charles' value but leaves Gronks value the same. These are just rough numbers.

[sterlingice]

I was about to take Dwayne Bowe and realized "oops, that would be 4 players with week 7 bye". Normally I don't pay any attention to byes but this seems like it could be a problem

SI

[sterlingice]

7.2 WR Antonio Brown, PIT

SI

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 7.2

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[Butter]

7.3 - TE Vernon Davis, SF

[Butter]

CR, you're up for Danny looks like?

[sterlingice]

I should have gone with Lloyd at 6.9 like I was planning

SI

[Chief Rum]

Danny's pick by list...

7.4 Robert Griffin III, QB WAS

[rafini]

What's funny is I likely would've gone with Brown had you taken Lloyd.

[sterlingice]

And I would have had Gates either way. So I guess it's sortof a wash.

Oh, and I'm severely underwhelmed with my team so far. Everyone is pretty much at value. Nothing too high or too low but nothing exciting at all.

SI

[Chief Rum]

7.5 Stevie Johnson, WR BUF

[Danny]

I am thrilled to get griffin so late here after all those other qb's went

[Scoobz0202]

7.6 Shonn Greene RB NYJ

[Chief Rum]

I was about to take Dwayne Bowe and realized "oops, that would be 4 players with week 7 bye". Normally I don't pay any attention to byes but this seems like it could be a problem

SI

I wish you had, as I was very interested in Antonio Brown.

[sterlingice]

I am thrilled to get griffin so late here after all those other qb's went

I don't like him that much. Rookie QB in a mediocre situation with mediocre WRs. It's not that he's necessarily going to be bad, but I don't think he's going to be good and his ADP is nuts in a lot of leagues. Here he fell quite a bit so he's a reasonable pick but not a steal, in my mind. I just don't see him that much better than some of the other fluff left on the board: Palmer, Freeman, Dalton, Flacco, or maybe even Luck.

SI

[Scoobz0202]

I was about to take Dwayne Bowe and realized "oops, that would be 4 players with week 7 bye". Normally I don't pay any attention to byes but this seems like it could be a problem

SI

I think my first three picks are week 7 byes. Should be a fun week

[sterlingice]

HAHA: Dayton vs Houston. It's the All Star matchup between Blane Gabbert and Christian Ponder! Ben Tate will face Robert Turbin from the bench!

SI

[TRO]

7.6 Shonn Greene RB NYJ

He isn't even the best RB on his team.

* Obligatory Tebow joke.

[sterlingice]

I strongly looked at Greene since he seems almost guaranteed to start but I was worried about the Tebow factor stealing all of his TDs and it's not like he's a great or consistent runner to begin with. Sure, he's the only RB but it's like having a TD vulture behind you

SI

[sterlingice]

I'm going to be leaving in about an hour and be out most of the night since a friend's plane got stuck in Houston. I'll update before leaving and then I'll try to update when I can but no guess as to when that will be and it might just be 6am tomorrow morning

SI

[Subby]

7.7 Andy Dalton, QB, CIN

Time to take the next step, kid!

[Julio Riddols]

That was what I wanted to do.. Dammit.

[Julio Riddols]

7.8 Andrew Luck, QB, IND

[Chief Rum]

Here comes the QB run. Way to go, Danny! :)

[sterlingice]

Yahoo and thread updated thru 7.8. I won't be around until much later tonight. If by some chance it gets back to my, I'll pick by phone but we're a long way from my side of the draft.

SI

[TRO]

Pfft, only 3 teams left need a 2nd QB. I would have considered one of RGIII, Dalton and Luck here, but since I miss that tier, I'll pick up a nice secondary prize:
7.9 WR Dwayne Bowe, KC

[Subby]

Does that pick come with free Road Beef? :D

[Scoobz0202]

Pfft, only 3 teams left need a 2nd QB. I would have considered one of RGIII, Dalton and Luck here, but since I miss that tier, I'll pick up a nice secondary prize:
7.9 WR Dwayne Bowe, KC

Pretty much. I would have taken one of those to start, but I was going to wait till a couple more rounds. Let's wait for a nice secondary prize together!

[Masked]

7.10 WR Miles Austin, Dal
8.1 WR Robert Meachem, SD

I was hoping for Bowe. Ended up going for questionable guys in better than average offenses as opposed to better than average guys in questionable offenses.

[Danny]

I don't like him that much. Rookie QB in a mediocre situation with mediocre WRs. It's not that he's necessarily going to be bad, but I don't think he's going to be good and his ADP is nuts in a lot of leagues. Here he fell quite a bit so he's a reasonable pick but not a steal, in my mind. I just don't see him that much better than some of the other fluff left on the board: Palmer, Freeman, Dalton, Flacco, or maybe even Luck.

SI

I don't disagree with anything here, but what I think puts him ahead of those guys is his running ability. He'll likely have similar passing stats but an extra 70 or so points from running. I do think his ADP is generally too high though, but I'll certainly take him 3-4 rounds after guys I have rated lower like Cutler and Schaub

[Butter]

I appreciate the optimism with Subby's Dalton pick, but there is a reason the Bengals haven't had back-to-back winning seasons in forever.

[Subby]

Less optimism, more desperation.