I Have a Dream

[Abe Sargent]

So here's my dream, how possible is it?

As many here know, I graduated from WVU and my fav professional team is the Jaguars. Here's my dream.

With WVU, Geno Smith continues to rule, and WVU ends up in an BCS bowl game of some sort and Smith with the Heisman. His mechanics are advance,d and he's a very cerebral passer that predicts well to the NFL.


Meanwhile, my Jags continue to suck it up, with a lot of bad losses and fir the first time with Jags history earn the #1 overall pick.

The consensus best pick is Geno Smith, and the Jags happily take him. Then Geno Smith, along with good players such as Marcedes Lewis, Maurice Jones Drew and Justin Blackmon has an immediate impact on the team and evolves into a franchises quarterback in two years, and the Jags add some weapons and become a nasty offense.


And one of my favorite players at my alma mater, WVU, my Mountaineers will become the savior of my Jags.


This is my dream.

[Dutch]

So where does Geno Smith gonna rank in WVU QB Lore?

Geno Smith > Major Harris > Pat White?

[MrBug708]

That would be a nice combo in LA

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

geno smith will lead the london (la?) jaguars to their first sb win in 2018. book it!

[panerd]

So where does Geno Smith gonna rank in WVU QB Lore?

Geno Smith > Major Harris > Pat White?

Jeff Hostetler fits in there somewhere with his Super Bowl doesn't he?

[Toddzilla]

I just threw up in my mouth

[sterlingice]

That would be a nice combo in LA

This isn't rellly coming in and thread crapping. This is like ripping the still beating heart out of the dream for a Mortal Kombat-esque fatality. Ouch.

SI

[panerd]

So here's my dream, how possible is it?

As many here know, I graduated from WVU and my fav professional team is the Jaguars. Here's my dream.

With WVU, Geno Smith continues to rule, and WVU ends up in an BCS bowl game of some sort and Smith with the Heisman. His mechanics are advance,d and he's a very cerebral passer that predicts well to the NFL.


Meanwhile, my Jags continue to suck it up, with a lot of bad losses and fir the first time with Jags history earn the #1 overall pick.

The consensus best pick is Geno Smith, and the Jags happily take him. Then Geno Smith, along with good players such as Marcedes Lewis, Maurice Jones Drew and Justin Blackmon has an immediate impact on the team and evolves into a franchises quarterback in two years, and the Jags add some weapons and become a nasty offense.


And one of my favorite players at my alma mater, WVU, my Mountaineers will become the savior of my Jags.


This is my dream.

The bigger question is what were they thinking when they drafted Gabbert? I am a huge Mizzou fan and have no idea where that hype came from. I forget was mustache the owner at that point? Once again the NFL "experts" look at size and arm strength over any actual accomlishments.

[panerd]

That would be a nice combo in LA

The vibe here is that the Rams are almost certainly going to be the one moving.

[Warhammer]

The vibe here is that the Rams are almost certainly going to be the one moving.

I hate to break it to St. Louis fans, but the Rams should have never left LA to begin with.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

isn't it about time for the raiders to move again?

back ot: is smith for real? or has all of college football devolved into 80's WAC defense?

[JPhillips]

Going to be really tough to beat out Cleveland for the first pick.

[Matthean]

Going to be really tough to beat out Cleveland for the first pick.

It's hard to get a team to draft two first round QBs two years in a row.

[Passacaglia]

Isn't it also hard to get a team to draft a 40-year old QB in the first round?

[Swaggs]

So where does Geno Smith gonna rank in WVU QB Lore?

Geno Smith > Major Harris > Pat White?

It is a tough call.

Right now, I'd probably rank themL Pat White > Geno Smith > Major Harris

White currently gets the nod from his bowl record (only starting QB to ever go 4-0 in bowl games and two were BCS wins) and the fact that he was the starter for almost all of career (I think he won the job in the fifth game of his freshman season). All time rushing leader for an NCAA FBS QB (Robinson will almost certainly break the record this season, though), as well. He was never an AA (but played in an era with some really great college QBs).

Major was the most exciting player I've ever seen at WVU, an All-American, a college football hall of gamer and led WVU to a "championship" appearance. But he only played 3 seasons and never won a bowl game, so I dock him there.

Barring an injury or collapse, Geno surpasses him this season because of his ridiculous numbers and the chance that he could be an All-American and possible Heisman winner this year. He has one BCS win and one gruesome bowl loss. He gets some points from me for going through a pretty brutal coaching transition and being successful under two head coaches.

Oddly, I feel like I can think of 5-10 memorable plays from White and Major, but I have trouble thinking of even one or two from Geno.

[Abe Sargent]

It is a tough call.

Right now, I'd probably rank themL Pat White > Geno Smith > Major Harris

White currently gets the nod from his bowl record (only starting QB to ever go 4-0 in bowl games and two were BCS wins) and the fact that he was the starter for almost all of career (I think he won the job in the fifth game of his freshman season). All time rushing leader for an NCAA FBS QB (Robinson will almost certainly break the record this season, though), as well. He was never an AA (but played in an era with some really great college QBs).

Major was the most exciting player I've ever seen at WVU, an All-American, a college football hall of gamer and led WVU to a "championship" appearance. But he only played 3 seasons and never won a bowl game, so I dock him there.

Barring an injury or collapse, Geno surpasses him this season because of his ridiculous numbers and the chance that he could be an All-American and possible Heisman winner this year. He has one BCS win and one gruesome bowl loss. He gets some points from me for going through a pretty brutal coaching transition and being successful under two head coaches.

Oddly, I feel like I can think of 5-10 memorable plays from White and Major, but I have trouble thinking of even one or two from Geno.



As a WVU alum, here are the big five rated:


Geno Smith
Jeff Hostetler
Pat White
Marc Bulger
Major Harris


To my mind


EDIT - And let's not forget Jake Kelchner is all of this either. Dude had an undefeated regular season in '93 (although Studstill played some too)

[miked]

Geno Smith = Akili Smith?? Discuss.

Signed,
A bitter Rutgers fan.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Rams to LA

Jags to STL

Geno to Kansas City

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Geno Smith = Akili Smith?? Discuss.

andre ware

[panerd]

Rams to LA

Jags to STL

Geno to Kansas City

Yeah the moustache guy is actually a University of Illinois guy and tried to buy the Rams before he bought the Jags. I could see that happening. I would love to have an AFC team here anyways (not sure I would love to have the Jags but it would be a start)

[JPhillips]

It's hard to get a team to draft two first round QBs two years in a row.

If the Browns finish with the worst record, Holmgren will be out and the new guy will want to start fresh. Weeden isn't ever going to be a top starter. They would have to pick Smith or Barkley(whichever one is more likely to bust).

[MrBug708]

The vibe in LA is the Chargers.

[stevew]

Buffalo and Jacksonville to London. STL and SD to LA. Kick Miami to the AFC South.

[Passacaglia]

Abe, would it even matter to you if the team moved? As far as I know, you have more of a connection to the team, instead of the city.

[spleen1015]

Rams to LA

Jags to STL

Geno to Kansas City

I don't get this kind of crap.

Why not just move the Jags to LA? Well, because the Rams should be in LA. WTF?

Just like allowing an owner to move the Browns from Cleveland to Baltimore only to give Cleveland another team. If Cleveland deserves a team, why let the Browns move? Leave them in Cleveland and let the owner have an expansion team in Baltimore.

Just like allowing an owner to move the Oilers from Houston to Tennessee only to give Houston another team. If Houston deserves a team, why let the Oilers move? Leave them in Houston and let the owner have an expansion team in Tennessee.

Same damn thing in the NBA. Why let the Hornets leave Charlotte only to give them another team a few years down the road?

Makes no fucking sense.

I have an idea. Every year, let's have a city draft where the cities re-pick their teams.

[Passacaglia]

Should the league really be in the business of forcing teams to stay in a particular city?

[mckerney]

Isn't it also hard to get a team to draft a 40-year old QB in the first round?

Weeden is really getting up there in age though, might be time to look to the future.

[BYU 14]

Cards would be happy to send you Kolb for his draft rights :)

[stevew]

Should the league really be in the business of forcing teams to stay in a particular city?

I think that there are probably 5-6 markets that just suck for football right now and those cities shouldn't have teams anymore. Even if that means something like we end up with 2 LA teams or another Chicago team. Tampa Bay, San Diego, and Jacksonville(skirting the rules right now) routinely get blacked out. Buffalo will get blacked out on occasion and plays in a dumpy stadium. I've been there...it's horrible.

All of these places that can't routinely sell out don't deserve to have a team anymore.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I don't get this kind of crap.

Why not just move the Jags to LA? Well, because the Rams should be in LA. WTF?


I just think the Rams want out & St. Louis isn't going to give them what they want.

Then once they lose the team they'll get into desperation mode. Enter the next free agent team... Probably to be rechristened. Hopefully it's not the "Stallions," looking like purple/gold/black Broncos.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

they're gonna chase demographics. nobody wants to be in a shrinking market. i imagine in the next 20 years we'll see a bunch of teams move

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

and they won't even have wilson's corpse in the ground before buffalo bolts

[Logan]

Geno Smith = Akili Smith?? Discuss.

Signed,
A bitter Rutgers fan.

I think I've successfully scrubbed the internet of posts where I claimed Smith isn't very good.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

and they won't even have wilson's corpse in the ground before buffalo bolts

If the Chargers return to LA, maybe the Bills go to San Diego & call themselves the Clippers or something.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

nah, toronto. i wonder if cleveland's new owner is counting the days till the stadium lease expires

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

oh that was a buffalo braves joke. went right over my head

[M GO BLUE!!!]

oh that was a buffalo braves joke. went right over my head

:D

nah, toronto. i wonder if cleveland's new owner is counting the days till the stadium lease expires

I can't see the Browns leaving. Don't think that would go over well at all.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

4269

[M GO BLUE!!!]

That is city populaton, not metropolitan area population. The Greater Cleveland area still has over 2 million and is in the top 20 areas in population.

Largest Metropolitan Areas in the U.S. - Most Populous Metros (http://geography.about.com/od/lists/a/csa2005.htm)

1) New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA - 21,976,224
2) Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA - 17,775,984
3) Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI - 9,725,317
4) Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV - 8,211,213
5) Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH - 7,465,634
6) San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA - 7,228,948
7) Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD - 6,382,714
8) Dallas-Fort Worth, TX - 6,359,758
9) Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX - 5,641,077
10) Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL - 5,478,667
11) Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Miami Beach, FL - 5,463,857
12) Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI - 5,410,014
13) Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ - 4,039,182
14) Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA - 3,876,211
15) Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI - 3,502,891
16) Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO - 2,927,911
17) San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA - 2,941,454
18) Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH - 2,917,801
19) St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL - 2,858,549
20) Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL - 2,697,731
21) Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA - 2,462,571
22) Sacramento--Arden-Arcade--Truckee, CA-NV - 2,211,790
23) Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC - 2,191,604
24) Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA - 2,137,565
25) Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN - 2,147,617
26) Orlando-The Villages, FL - 2,053,623
27) Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS - 2,034,796
28) Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN - 1,984,644
29) Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH - 1,953,575
30) San Antonio, TX - 1,942,217

[sterlingice]

When did they change MSAs to CSAs?

That said, MSA/CSA are a much better measure than literal city population. Just because half of St Louis or Kansas City or Pittsburgh or any other city moved out to the suburbs doesn't make those people any less part of those cities for these purposes.

SI

[JPhillips]

But some of those metro areas have a lot of empty space in between.

Boston to Manchester

Cleveland to Akron

Columbus to Chillicothe

[stevew]

Pittsburgh to new Castle. Lol.

[Abe Sargent]

Abe, would it even matter to you if the team moved? As far as I know, you have more of a connection to the team, instead of the city.

I've never been to Jacksonville, and I don;t like Florida. But I've always been drawn to the smallest TV market in the NFL being the team I root, for you know? (Assuming you count Milwaukee in Green Bay's market).

[Abe Sargent]

For my PoliSci class on Public Admin intro, I usually taught on decision making, and instead of spending a lecture or discussion on Rational Decision Making, I would take ten cities, copy their demos, and then have my class choose which two cities should get the next two expansion teams for the 50 minute class. They'd suggest a factor to look at, I;d give htem the details, and we'd talk about which is more important, and then they'd vote. Afterwards, i'd discuss how that was exactly like rdm.

[cuervo72]

But some of those metro areas have a lot of empty space in between.

And at least one of those areas would argue that they shouldn't be grouped at all (Washington/Baltimore).

[MizzouRah]

Rams are going in the right direction, I would hate to see them leave, I don't want Jacksonville here.

[Atocep]

So where does Geno Smith gonna rank in WVU QB Lore?

Geno Smith > Major Harris > Pat White?

If we're talking about pure ability then Geno, Major, White IMO.

Now if we're talking the impact made on the program then it's Major>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else. It would be hard for any player to match what Major did for WVU football. It's something that's often overlooked by our fans in the "new era" of WVU football.

[Atocep]

I think I've successfully scrubbed the internet of posts where I claimed Smith isn't very good.

The "overrated" and "choking in big games" talk has certainly died down. Not from you, necessarily, but other Big East fans.

[cuervo72]

Rams are going in the right direction, I would hate to see them leave, I don't want Jacksonville here.

That's right...Fisher's an LA guy too, isn't he.

[britrock88]

By those MSAs, top relocation candidates:
Oakland- T6 (with SF) for largest NFL market
San Diego- 19th
St. Louis- 21st
Jacksonville- >30th

By the numbers, LA should be able to support 2 teams (and the NFL seems to think the same). I wonder which market the Jags might convince to give them a new stadium...

[Passacaglia]

(Assuming you count Milwaukee in Green Bay's market).

Why would you do that?

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

huh. for some reason i envisioned a mass exodus out of ohio like dropping an ice cube in a warm soda. guess it isn't that bad.

[sterlingice]

But some of those metro areas have a lot of empty space in between.

Boston to Manchester

Cleveland to Akron

Columbus to Chillicothe

Ah, that site messed up. They actually were using Combined Statistical Areas (CSAs) not Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSAs)

MSAs are a lot better indicator. The first thing I think of when someone mentions CSAs is the "San Angeles" area from Demolition Man- places that might be all one location in 50 years but not yet. I should have known when they put Baltimore and DC together when they are very distinct and have about 30 miles of mostly green space (federal facilities like military bases and parks) between them.

Try this on for size:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_statistical_areas

<table class="wikitable sortable jquery-tablesorter"><thead><tr><th title="Sort ascending" class="headerSort">Rank</th> <th title="Sort ascending" class="headerSort">Metropolitan Statistical Area</th> <th title="Sort ascending" class="headerSort">2011 Estimate</th> <th title="Sort ascending" class="headerSort">2010 Census</th> <th title="Sort ascending" class="headerSort">Change</th> <th title="Sort ascending" class="headerSort">Combined Statistical Area</th> </tr></thead><tbody> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">1</td> <td>New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York-Northern_New_Jersey-Long_Island,_NY-NJ-PA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">19,015,900</td> <td style="text-align: right;">18,897,109</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.63%</td> <td>New York-Newark-Bridgeport, NY-NJ-CT-PA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York-Newark-Bridgeport,_NY-NJ-CT-PA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">2</td> <td>Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles-Long_Beach-Santa_Ana,_CA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">12,944,801</td> <td style="text-align: right;">12,828,837</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.90%</td> <td>Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles-Long_Beach-Riverside,_CA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">3</td> <td>Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-Joliet-Naperville,_IL-IN-WI_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">9,504,753</td> <td style="text-align: right;">9,461,105</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.46%</td> <td>Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago-Naperville-Michigan_City,_IL-IN-WI_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">4</td> <td>Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas-Fort_Worth-Arlington,_TX_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">6,526,548</td> <td style="text-align: right;">6,371,773</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.43%</td> <td>Dallas-Fort Worth, TX CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas-Fort_Worth,_TX_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">5</td> <td>Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston-Sugar_Land-Baytown,_TX_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">6,086,538</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,946,800</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.35%</td> <td>Houston-Baytown-Huntsville, TX CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston-Baytown-Huntsville,_TX_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">6</td> <td>Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington,_PA-NJ-DE-MD_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,992,414</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,965,343</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.45%</td> <td>Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland, PA-NJ-DE-MD CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia-Camden-Vineland,_PA-NJ-DE-MD_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">7</td> <td>Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington-Arlington-Alexandria,_DC-VA-MD-WV_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,703,948</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,582,170</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.18%</td> <td>Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington-Baltimore-Northern_Virginia,_DC-MD-VA-WV_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">8</td> <td>Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miami-Fort_Lauderdale-Pompano_Beach,_FL_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,670,125</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,564,635</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.90%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">9</td> <td>Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta-Sandy_Springs-Marietta,_GA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,359,205</td> <td style="text-align: right;">5,268,860</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.71%</td> <td>Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Gainesville, GA-AL CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta-Sandy_Springs-Gainesville,_GA-AL_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">10</td> <td>Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Cambridge-Quincy,_MA-NH_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,591,112</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,552,402</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.85%</td> <td>Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Worcester-Manchester,_MA-RI-NH_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">11</td> <td>San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco-Oakland-Fremont,_CA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,391,037</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,335,391</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.28%</td> <td>San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose-San_Francisco-Oakland,_CA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">12</td> <td>Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside-San_Bernardino-Ontario,_CA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,304,997</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,224,851</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.90%</td> <td>Los Angeles-Long Beach-Riverside, CA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles-Long_Beach-Riverside,_CA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">13</td> <td>Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit-Warren-Livonia,_MI_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,285,832</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,296,250</td> <td style="text-align: right;">−0.24%</td> <td>Detroit-Warren-Flint, MI CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit-Warren-Flint,_MI_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">14</td> <td>Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale,_AZ_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,263,236</td> <td style="text-align: right;">4,192,887</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.68%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">15</td> <td>Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue,_WA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">3,500,026</td> <td style="text-align: right;">3,439,809</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.75%</td> <td>Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia, WA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle-Tacoma-Olympia,_WA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">16</td> <td>Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis-St._Paul-Bloomington,_MN-WI_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">3,318,486</td> <td style="text-align: right;">3,279,833</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.18%</td> <td>Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud, MN-WI CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minneapolis-St._Paul-St._Cloud,_MN-WI_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">17</td> <td>San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego-Carlsbad-San_Marcos,_CA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">3,140,069</td> <td style="text-align: right;">3,095,313</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.45%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">18</td> <td>Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa-St._Petersburg-Clearwater,_FL_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,824,724</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,783,243</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.49%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">19</td> <td>St. Louis, MO-IL MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis,_MO-IL_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,817,355</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,812,896</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.16%</td> <td>St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington, MO-IL CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis-St._Charles-Farmington,_MO-IL_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">20</td> <td>Baltimore-Towson, MD MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore-Towson,_MD_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,729,110</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,710,489</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.69%</td> <td>Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia, DC-MD-VA-WV CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington-Baltimore-Northern_Virginia,_DC-MD-VA-WV_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">21</td> <td>Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver-Aurora-Broomfield,_CO_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,599,504</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,543,482</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.20%</td> <td>Denver-Aurora-Boulder, CO CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denver-Aurora-Boulder,_CO_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">22</td> <td>Pittsburgh, PA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh,_PA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,359,746</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,356,285</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.15%</td> <td>Pittsburgh-New Castle, PA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh-New_Castle,_PA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">23</td> <td>Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro,_OR-WA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,262,605</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,226,009</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.64%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">24</td> <td>San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Antonio-New_Braunfels,_TX_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,194,927</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,142,508</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.45%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">25</td> <td>Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Roseville, CA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento%E2%80%93Arden-Arcade%E2%80%93Roseville,_CA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,176,235</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,149,127</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.26%</td> <td>Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Yuba City, CA-NV CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento%E2%80%93Arden-Arcade%E2%80%93Yuba_City,_CA-NV_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">26</td> <td>Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford,_FL_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,171,360</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,134,411</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.73%</td> <td>Orlando-Deltona-Daytona Beach, FL CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlando-Deltona-Daytona_Beach,_FL_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">27</td> <td>Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati-Middletown,_OH-KY-IN_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,138,038</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,130,151</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.37%</td> <td>Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington, OH-KY-IN CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington,_OH-KY-IN_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">28</td> <td>Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor,_OH_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,068,283</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,077,240</td> <td style="text-align: right;">−0.43%</td> <td>Cleveland-Akron-Elyria, OH CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland-Akron-Elyria,_OH_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">29</td> <td>Kansas City, MO-KS MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City,_MO-KS_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,052,676</td> <td style="text-align: right;">2,035,334</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.85%</td> <td>Kansas City-Overland Park-Kansas City, MO-KS CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_City-Overland_Park-Kansas_City,_MO-KS_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">30</td> <td>Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas-Paradise,_NV_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,969,975</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,951,269</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.96%</td> <td>Las Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump, NV CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Las_Vegas-Paradise-Pahrump,_NV_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">31</td> <td>San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa_Clara,_CA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,865,450</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,836,911</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.55%</td> <td>San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland, CA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose-San_Francisco-Oakland,_CA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">32</td> <td>Columbus, OH MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus,_OH_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,858,464</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,836,536</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.19%</td> <td>Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe, OH CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus-Marion-Chillicothe,_OH_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">33</td> <td>Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock_Hill,_NC-SC_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,795,472</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,758,038</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.13%</td> <td>Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury, NC-SC CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury,_NC-SC_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">34</td> <td>Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin-Round_Rock-San_Marcos,_TX_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,783,519</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,716,289</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+3.92%</td> <td>Austin-Round Rock-Marble Falls, TX CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin-Round_Rock-Marble_Falls,_TX_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">35</td> <td>Indianapolis-Carmel, IN MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis-Carmel,_IN_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,778,568</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,756,241</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.27%</td> <td>Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus, IN CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis-Anderson-Columbus,_IN_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">36</td> <td>Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Beach-Norfolk-Newport_News,_VA-NC_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,679,894</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,671,683</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.49%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">37</td> <td>Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Franklin, TN MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville-Davidson%E2%80%93Murfreesboro%E2%80%93Franklin,_TN_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,617,142</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,589,934</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.71%</td> <td>Nashville-Davidson–Murfreesboro–Columbia, TN CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville-Davidson%E2%80%93Murfreesboro%E2%80%93Columbia,_TN_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">38</td> <td>Providence-New Bedford-Fall River, RI-MA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Providence-New_Bedford-Fall_River,_RI-MA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,600,224</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,600,852</td> <td style="text-align: right;">−0.04%</td> <td>Boston-Worcester-Manchester, MA-RI-NH CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston-Worcester-Manchester,_MA-RI-NH_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">39</td> <td>Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee-Waukesha-West_Allis,_WI_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,562,216</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,555,908</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.41%</td> <td>Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha,_WI_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">40</td> <td>Jacksonville, FL MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacksonville,_FL_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,360,251</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,345,596</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.09%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">41</td> <td>Memphis, TN-MS-AR MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memphis,_TN-MS-AR_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,325,605</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,316,100</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.72%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">42</td> <td>Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville/Jefferson_County,_KY-IN_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,294,849</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,283,566</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.88%</td> <td>Louisville/Jefferson County–Elizabethtown–Scottsburg, KY-IN CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville/Jefferson_County%E2%80%93Elizabethtown%E2%80%93Scottsburg,_KY-IN_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">43</td> <td>Oklahoma City, OK MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City,_OK_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,278,053</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,252,987</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.00%</td> <td>Oklahoma City-Shawnee, OK CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City-Shawnee,_OK_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">44</td> <td>Richmond, VA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richmond,_VA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,269,380</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,258,251</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.88%</td> <td>
</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">45</td> <td>Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford-West_Hartford-East_Hartford,_CT_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,213,255</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,212,381</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.07%</td> <td>Hartford-West Hartford-Willimantic, CT CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford-West_Hartford-Willimantic,_CT_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">46</td> <td>New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans-Metairie-Kenner,_LA_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,191,089</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,167,764</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.00%</td> <td>New Orleans-Metairie-Bogalusa, LA CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Orleans-Metairie-Bogalusa,_LA_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">47</td> <td>Raleigh-Cary, NC MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh-Cary,_NC_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,163,515</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,130,490</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+2.92%</td> <td>Raleigh-Durham-Cary, NC CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raleigh-Durham-Cary,_NC_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">48</td> <td>Salt Lake City, UT MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City,_UT_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,145,905</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,124,197</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+1.93%</td> <td>Salt Lake City-Ogden-Clearfield, UT CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Lake_City-Ogden-Clearfield,_UT_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">49</td> <td>Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo-Niagara_Falls,_NY_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,134,039</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,135,509</td> <td style="text-align: right;">−0.13%</td> <td>Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus, NY CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo-Niagara-Cattaraugus,_NY_CSA)</td> </tr> <tr> <td style="text-align: center;">50</td> <td>Birmingham-Hoover, AL MSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham-Hoover,_AL_MSA)</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,132,264</td> <td style="text-align: right;">1,128,047</td> <td style="text-align: right;">+0.37%</td> <td>Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman, AL CSA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman,_AL_CSA)</td></tr></tbody></table>

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, now I have a different dream

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Okay, now I have a different dream

Does it involve Halle Berry being triplets? I had that one and lay full claim to it.

[Grover]

Does it involve Halle Berry being triplets? I had that one and lay full claim to it.

Can I adopt this dream?

[SackAttack]

Why would you do that?

Packers games are actually divided into "Green Bay" games and "Milwaukee" games. Milwaukee season ticket holders get tickets to, if I'm not mistaken, four of the regular season home games and two of the preseason. Green Bay season ticket holders get the other four/two.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Can I adopt this dream?

I will allow it, but under the condition that you understand full and well that you are getting the sloppy seconds.