NFL Week 6-Revised Bounty Suspensions.

[stevew]

Yeah, many more weeks of discussion about the tragic injustice that has been hoisted upon Jonathan Vilma


Sources -- Roger Goodell upholds suspensions of Jonathan Vilma, Will Smith - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8483685/sources-roger-goodell-upholds-suspensions-jonathan-vilma-smith)

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has reduced the bounty-related suspensions of two New Orleans Saints players while upholding the punishments of two others, a source told ESPN senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen.

Linebacker Scott Fujita's three-game suspension has been reduced to one while defensive end Anthony Hargrove's eight-game penalty has been trimmed to seven games, the source said.


The suspensions of linebacker Jonathan Vilma and defensive end Will Smith will remain the same, the source added.

Vilma is on the Saints physically unable to perform list and will not be eligible to play this year but can keep the money he has been paid for six weeks on the PUP list, a source told ESPN's Ed Werder.

The four players have 72 hours to appeal Goodell's latest ruling. Should they choose to do that, the understanding is that they would be allowed to play until the appeal process is completed, a source told Werder.

Goodell appoints the person who will hear the appeal and last time chose to do so himself. He is scheduled to formally announce his redeterminations involving the punished Saints players Tuesday afternoon.

The players had been suspended as a result of a bounty pool that league investigators have said the Saints ran for three seasons from 2009-11, but the bans had been vacated on technical, jurisdictional grounds by an appeal panel operating within the NFL's collective bargaining agreement. That decision had led to the re-instatement of the four players and has forced Goodell to begin the disciplinary process for the players over again.

In addition to fighting their previous suspensions through procedures called for by the NFL's labor agreement, the four players have also sued in federal court in New Orleans. Vilma has his own attorneys, while the NFL Players Association has represented the other three. Only Vilma has sued for defamation. The other federal claims, made by all four players, generally state that Goodell violated labor law by failing to act as an impartial arbitrator. They also ask the judge to bar the commissioner from punishing the players in the bounty matter.

[stevew]

Steelers and Titans on Thursday night. It would be great to see the Steelers take a poor Titans squad to the woodshed.

[DaddyTorgo]

Good for the Commish.

[Buccaneer]

Tragic injustice??!!?? Vilma and the others got off easier than they should have.

[stevew]

Forgot to include the mocking air quotes around tragic injustice.

Fuck Vilma and the Saints.

[Grover]

While I agree these players got off easier than they should have, Goodell wields far too much power.

[stevew]

Not sure how Goodell has too much power. The union and owners deemed him the sole arbiter of punishment. Vilma finds a sympathetic court who define conditions and authority. Then Goodell reaffirms using different language. I think it's fine how it works. Slapping 10k in cash on a table to encourage injuries is pretty low.

[molson]

Don't the other sports leave discipline to single individuals? Not sure who handles appeals, but it's not like discipline is overturned very often.

[Logan]

Donald Brown had his knee scoped and is out 2-3 weeks.

Funny part is that I got an email from my brother on our fantasy football email chain about this a couple hours ago before anything broke. One of those "I work with a guy who knows a guy who is friends with a girl who is like a sister to Donald Brown..."

[miami_fan]

So what are the chances of the NFL banning all blocking below the waist?

[kingfc22]

Drew Brees needs to just stop already.

Drew Brees slams bounty probe (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8490255/drew-brees-new-orleans-saints-qb-says-bounty-penalties-based-rhetoric)

[Logan]

The color commentator on the NFL-owned network actually uttered the words "Dude, that's a great throw!" a few minutes ago.

[Suburban Rhythm]

So what are the chances of the NFL banning all blocking below the waist?

You mean the league that doesn't allow you dive at a QB below the waist, but has said you can do that to a defensive player, as long as you don't start from too far away before taking out a knee?

[stevew]

I hope Mike Wallace teams up with RG3 next year.

[stevew]

Blocked punt. Crap.

[Lathum]

Jesus Christ, Chris Johnson cant get one freaking yard

[Suburban Rhythm]

Blocked punt. Crap.

Chris Gardocki would never let that crap happen.

[bhlloy]

God created Chris Johnson to troll fantasy players

[stevew]

These are the good refs?

[stevew]

Dola-Brown play wasn't even close. This one is most likely a tuck situation

[stevew]

So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

[Buccaneer]

So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

Probably it's time to give them another raise then.

[Swaggs]

I miss the good ol' days, when the Steelers had defensive players that made plays to shut down those last ditch drives. Carnell Lake, Woodson, and young Troy P. used to almost always come up with a turnover or a big play that shut down last minute drives.

[stevew]

Shitty kicker strikes again.

[stevew]

Awesome Dick Lebeau 4th quarter D

[kingfc22]

Ninja timeout before the ninja kick.

[bhlloy]

Shitty kicker strikes again.

Right, because 54 is so routine

If Ben runs for the three or four yards he could have easily got, the kick would have been good

[PilotMan]

I am so disgusted with sports right now. Baseball, football, curling, it doesn't matter. Nothing is going right.

[stevew]

54 is rapidly becoming a chip shot.

They should have gone for it or punted and gone for OT. Suisham doesn't have that kind of leg.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Shitty kicker strikes again.

He's 9-9 before that kick. Tomlin has to reconsider that kick. The miss gives Tennessee the ball at midfield.

The only thing I'm surprised by was Tennessee didn't just throw passes deep down the sideline to get another two DPI calls and put them inside the 20.

[bhlloy]

I do agree Tomlin shouldn't have kicked it from 54, but if your kickers range is around 50, and you have the chance to run for 4-5 yards to get him inside that range, you have to know that.

[stevew]

Ike Taylor is so awful.

[gstelmack]

So. Good refs=horribly not even close wrong on 2 straight plays.

But they have the media on their side now so no big deal made about it.

However, Goodell will soon have the ability and pool of backups to replace guys who aren't calling things right.

[Sun Tzu]

Kevin Gilbride...really? You're gonna be that guy?

[Matthean]

Kevin Gilbride...really? You're gonna be that guy?

You don't make Jim angry. You won't like him when he's angry. :lol:

[Matthean]

Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles (http://www.thundertreats.com/articles/sports/miami-dolphins-might-have-the-worst-promotion-of-all-time.html)

[Thomkal]

Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles (http://www.thundertreats.com/articles/sports/miami-dolphins-might-have-the-worst-promotion-of-all-time.html)


Well Dan Carpenter has been pretty bad this season....

[mauchow]

What a bad set of 12:00CT games today.

Dallas/Ravens maybe...

[Sun Tzu]

What a bad set of 12:00CT games today.

Dallas/Ravens maybe...

NFL Redzone channel to the rescue.

I'd love...LOVE to see the 49ers just pummel the Giants today. Something like 42-10. Just complete domination in every phase of the game, not unlike the 49ers last two games.

Then I'd like to see Gillbride blame the loss on Justin Smith holding onto his O-linemen, or something else equally minuscule.

[Thomkal]

My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40. :)

[Sun Tzu]

My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40. :)

I'm torn on starting Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb. Do you really think Kolb is going to light up the Bills secondary like that? I'm especially cautious with him because of that paper-mache O-line.

[jbergey22]

Dolphins willing to give three fans 10,000 if they can make a FG. From the 50 yard line.

Miami Dolphins Might Have the Worst Promotion of All Time | Sports | Articles (http://www.thundertreats.com/articles/sports/miami-dolphins-might-have-the-worst-promotion-of-all-time.html)


Haha. I can see it if it was for 50 million or something but for 10K, lol.... Tightasses.

3 yards shy of the NFL record for 10k.

[kingfc22]

Tough week for the Niners kicks off today as they begin their portion of the two games in five days part of the schedule.

I expect today's game to come down to the final two minutes.

[Apathetic Lurker]

My beloved Cards take on the Bills at home today. Cards have no offensive line-sacked 17 times in last two games. They have no running game-#1 Beanie Wells is on the Injured Reserve/Can Return list until late Nov. #2 Ryan Williams is now on Injured Reserve.

Bills got absolutely stomped in their last two and a half games. I predict Arizona wins in the desert 56-40. :)


Ahh, so you foresee a defensive game, eh?

[bulletsponge]

Romo romoing it

[miami_fan]

I know he was written off as a bust after the 2nd quarter of the first game, but Tannehill might be okay as a starter for the Dolphins.

[Desnudo]

Claiborne decked by Smith, called for pass interference

[Julio Riddols]

THERE WAS A SECOND LEFT!

[Thomkal]

I'm torn on starting Alex Smith or Kevin Kolb. Do you really think Kolb is going to light up the Bills secondary like that? I'm especially cautious with him because of that paper-mache O-line.

The only thing Kolb will be able to do is throw the ball-no line to protect him and no line to make holes for whatever running back they use. I'd probably still go with Smith cause he's at home and out for revenge against the Giants.

[Thomkal]

Ahh, so you foresee a defensive game, eh?

Knowing how my predictions normally work, wouldn't surprise me if Arizona wins 3-0 in OT. :)

[kingfc22]

Knowing how my predictions normally work, wouldn't surprise me if Arizona wins 3-0 in OT. :)

Heh. Pray for punts to Peterson.

[bhlloy]

First time I've ever seen encroachment on a corner

[tucker rocky]

Ravens pulling off the chinese firedrill.

[miami_fan]

The tuck rule makes its return in Miami.

[chadritt]

I no longer understand what a catch is.

[Radii]

So how many fantasy points does KC's defense get when they block a punt and get an interception on the same play?

[Radii]

So how many fantasy points does KC's defense get when they block a punt and get an interception on the same play?

and a TD, hah

[Matthean]

Can a four year QB have a sophomore slump due to not playing full seasons during his first two years? Stafford is 6-20 for 91 yards and an INT in the 3rd quarter.

[hoopsguy]

Is Richardson hurt for Browns? Seems like Hardesty has gotten a ton of 2nd half touches ...

[chadritt]

Asante Samuels first interception of the year is a big pick 6. Falcons shouldnt have let this game be so close though.

[Matthean]

Is Richardson hurt for Browns? Seems like Hardesty has gotten a ton of 2nd half touches ...

Just got back and saw the same thing.

[JPhillips]

I really thought the Bengals would be better than this.

Maybe next year.

[rowech]

I really thought the Bengals would be better than this.

Maybe next year.

No kidding. Never dreamed they would be this bad.

[stevew]

These early games suck.

[bhlloy]

Is it just my imagination or has this happened a few times in the last couple years - Bengals look decent and then drop a game to a terrible Cleveland squad?

[JPhillips]

No kidding. Never dreamed they would be this bad.

16 mil from the cap and no MLB, SS, or WR2 worth crap.

Same old Bengals.

And just wait until they let Andre Smith, one of the best RTs in the game, walk and become a perennial Pro-Bowler for someone else.

[Julio Riddols]

That clock issue at halftime cost the Bengals this game somewhat, but there's no excuse to lose to the Browns.

[cuervo72]

How did DET *completely* miss Maclin??

[miami_fan]

66 yard field goal attempt for the tie for the Rams

[Thomkal]

Rams try a 66 yard FG to tie the game-had the distance but not the direction. Rookie kicker for the Rams hadn't missed coming into today-missed 3 FG's today.

[stevew]

what was the yardage on that? GZ killed it,

[sabotai]

How did DET *completely* miss Maclin??

Just saw the replay. LOL @ Detroit defense. They got confused by of the bunch formation.

[miami_fan]

Long enough but wide. Fish win!

Ballsy fake punt by the Dolphins late in the game.

[Thomkal]

I'd like to thank the Falcons for not choking like a dog and losing to the Raiders at home as my Survivor pick this week.

[stevew]

GZ might hit from 65-70 some day.

[rowech]

16 mil from the cap and no MLB, SS, or WR2 worth crap.

Same old Bengals.

And just wait until they let Andre Smith, one of the best RTs in the game, walk and become a perennial Pro-Bowler for someone else.

The wr was going to be a problem no matter what. Too many young guys. I think a big part of the problem on defense is Mauluga. Time to cut ties. He doesn't seem to ever be in on any kind of plays and always seems out of position.

[Thomkal]

well its already 3-0 Cards vs Bills so guess that 3-0 in OT won't happen. :)

[Julio Riddols]

The wr was going to be a problem no matter what. Too many young guys. I think a big part of the problem on defense is Mauluga. Time to cut ties. He doesn't seem to ever be in on any kind of plays and always seems out of position.

I'd like to see Burfict take his spot next year.

[cuervo72]

Cards should be fine - I think if you put the Bills on the field by themselves they'd find a way to give up at least 20.

[MizzouRah]

Thank you Shonn Greene for 34 fantasy points.

What a horrible game the Rams v Dolphins was to watch. There must have been a flag every other play.

[Scoobz0202]

Romo could be a lot more clutch if his team didn't suck dick.

[JPhillips]

I'd like to see Burfict take his spot next year.

2013 Draft

Rd. 1 - Bengals - Manti Te'o

[bhlloy]

How not to cover an onside kick

[kingfc22]

Great clock management by the Cowboys. LOL!

[kingfc22]

Simply awesome!

[Radii]

So many opportunities blown by Dallas at the end there

[miami_fan]

I think people were joking around earlier but now let's be serious. Are coaches really looking at 50+ yards FGs are gimmes?

[Thomkal]

and on cue, Kolb gets sacked in the end zone for a safety

[Lathum]

And that is why Dez Bryant will always be a liability

[Julio Riddols]

2013 Draft

Rd. 1 - Bengals - Manti Te'o

If that is followed up by an early round 2 pick of Kenjon Barner, I'm good with it.

[kingfc22]

Where's the late hit?

[Desnudo]

Dallas with the TD for the cover and failed 2 for no OT. One of the more exciting moments of my day.

[mckerney]

I think it's safe to say APs knee is back at full strength.

[Desnudo]

How does New England's pass defense get burned week after week?

I mean Russell Wilson is lighting you up? Really?

[Suicane75]

God bless whoever designed the Eagles cheerleaders outfits. God bless them.

[miami_fan]

One more shot for Stafford?

[BillJasper]

Rams try a 66 yard FG to tie the game-had the distance but not the direction. Rookie kicker for the Rams hadn't missed coming into today-missed 3 FG's today.

Nice that it wasn't Dan Carpenter missing those kicks for once. Great feeling to still be in the hunt for the playoffs after six weeks! :lol:

[Thomkal]

2 sacks for the Bills and counting.

[kingfc22]

And the Giants defense is finding out early that this 49ers team has a lot more weapons than last season.

[sabotai]

Was Vick outside the tackle box on that throw away? Looked really close to me.

[kingfc22]

They also might realize Akers is not automatic like last season.

[hoopsguy]

Was Vick outside the tackle box on that throw away? Looked really close to me.

Had same thought, wondered briefly if this was something a coach could throw red flag to challenge.

[sabotai]

Had same thought, wondered briefly if this was something a coach could throw red flag to challenge.

I think typically it is, but in OT all reviews come from the replay official.

EDIT: Went back on my Tivo and watched it. He was outside the tackle box, but just barely.

[stevew]

I think people were joking around earlier but now let's be serious. Are coaches really looking at 50+ yards FGs are gimmes?

I think it's a prevailing strategy these days. In general, kickers are very accurate from longer and longer ranges.

[RainMaker]

Can't believe Philly blew that game. Not sure what their defense was doing in the 4th.

[whomario]

They also might realize Akers is not automatic like last season.

well, he was "only" 13-20 from 40+ last season, so it´s not a huge shock to see him miss a couple from that distance.

[hoopsguy]

Not pleased to get Vikings @ Washington game instead of Giants/49ers. Might be an entertaining game, but I'll take the repeat of last years NFC championship if given a choice. I know, I know ... DirectTV.

[EagleFan]

For sale: 1 QB, 1 Head coach and 1 Defensive Coordinator - they must go as a package. We'll start the bids with 1 case of kicking balls.

[kingfc22]

Eli has an incredible ability to come up with the big play at the right time.

[cuervo72]

Can't believe Philly blew that game. Not sure what their defense was doing in the 4th.

Please, I saw that coming from a mile away. :) (really, you get used to these things)


Re: the 4:25 games - pink REALLY doesn't go with burgundy and/or gold.

[stevew]

May just be me, but i saw that Arizona Fake punt coming a mile away. Seemed odd that Powell was playing gunner on it.

[Desnudo]

Worst of McDaniels there getting way too cute

[stevew]

10 second run-off is a bitch.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Can't believe Philly blew that game. Not sure what their defense was doing in the 4th.

It's how the Lions do.

[mckerney]

Dammit. I knew bad things were in store when the Vikings called timeout before the Redskins scored with about 2:30 yet. I was really hoping they would just run the clock out instead of trying to run a two minute drill when the offense really isn't suited for it, yet sure enough first play Washington gets the ball right back.

[RedKingGold]

The Giants receivers are fantastic, they just seem to catch everything thrown at them.

[kingfc22]

Giants WR's are making all the plays right now against the SF secondary.

[sabotai]

Countdown to QB controversy in SF?

[Logan]

What the hell was Coughlin doing taking a TO with so much time still left? Said it at the time...

[kingfc22]

Countdown to QB controversy in SF?

Nope. Everyone knows Kaepernick won't be the #1 for another year or two.

[Logan]

Countdown to QB controversy in SF?

None coming. Entirely different skill set. Smith is the right guy with how this offense runs.

[kingfc22]

Akers can't get out of his own way right now. Damn that would have been a nice 6 point swing.

[RedKingGold]

Nope. Everyone knows Kaepernick won't be the #1 for another year or two.

Agreed, but I do think be will be the guy in 2014.

[mckerney]

Harrison Smith commits another personal foul, how surprising.

Watching RGIII makes me sad after being so close to being able to get him last year. :(

[kingfc22]

Niners kryptonite continues to be there special teams coverage unit, especially their kick off team.

[kingfc22]

Giants laying the wood in SF today and should be up by more.

[kingfc22]

Countdown to QB controversy in SF?

That's why Kaepernick is not starting yet. Not enough experience as he cannot take a sack in that situation.

[sabotai]

Oh FFS, I wasn't being serious. I need to stop forgetting to use them damn emoticons. :)

[kingfc22]

Oh FFS, I wasn't being serious. I need to stop forgetting to use them damn emoticons. :)

:devil:

[kingfc22]

And Skelton is in for Kolb who is slow to get up.

[Grover]

the fucking Browns, ugh.

[kingfc22]

ARZ going to attempt the chip shot 61 yarder for the tie.

[kingfc22]

And it's good. Of course it is.

[stevew]

A good kicker should make that.

[jeff061]

This game is so incredibly frustrating. It's like a Eli nightmare every time Wilson drops back.

Not to mention Brady farting around and 1 hopping wide open guys or throwing to the wrong team for 2 quarters now.

[mckerney]

RGIII 2GD.

[kingfc22]

A good kicker should make that.

Nope, but he should have made that second one.

[jeff061]

And just as I posted that...

It's like the secondary has no earthly idea how to defend anything whatsoever. They can't cover, on the off chance they do cover a guy they fail at preventing the catch. They'd probably have scored 60 by now if they just tossed up hail mary's every chance they got.

[stevew]

that was awesome feely.

[kingfc22]

Was hoping Seattle and Arizona would lose and now it looks like they both might win

[jeff061]

Worst game I've seen the Pats play in years. They did the hard stuff and failed at all the easy stuff.

[Desnudo]

And just as I posted that...

It's like the secondary has no earthly idea how to defend anything whatsoever. They can't cover, on the off chance they do cover a guy they fail at preventing the catch. They'd probably have scored 60 by now if they just tossed up hail mary's every chance they got.

They need to change up the secondary coaching. Surely this isn't so extreme of a talent issue. Just horrific. Either PI or a completion every single time.

Patriots absolutely handed that game to Seattle on a silver platter.

[Shkspr]

I can't believe that Shanahan had RGIII keep running on that 76 yard touchdown instead of running out of bounds. Kid's going to get tackled someday.

[Thomkal]

My poor cat might not recover from my shouting in disbelief, then joy, then disbelief again at the events at the end of the Cards game. Just totally crazy that the Cards tied the game on a 61 yard got to OT with Kolb hurt, then the Bills gave them an absolute gift on the 3 and out plus the shanked punt, then Feely bounced a chip shot off the bar. Both teams deserve to win and lose this one.

[mckerney]

I can't believe that Shanahan had RGIII keep running on that 76 yard touchdown instead of running out of bounds. Kid's going to get tackled someday.

Lucky for him that day won't be when Vikings safeties are chaseing him.

Though there running out of bounds isn't the right move, still enough time on the clock where the game wouldn't be over.

[Desnudo]

Worst game I've seen the Pats play in years. They did the hard stuff and failed at all the easy stuff.

Fucking McDaniels. Such a classic game calling from him. Brady's arm is falling off and it's wet, durrr let's call 70 passes, but then exclusively run it when everyone in the stadium knows we will.

[mckerney]

Good to see Ponder get one last interception in.

[Buccaneer]

What a lousy day. I don't think a single team that I wanted to see win/lose, did. Except for Eagles.

[Thomkal]

well that was pathetic Cards-now have to wait and see how badly Kolb is hurt

[kingfc22]

Three 4-2 teams in the NFC West and Thursday night football will be a battle for first.

[stevew]

well that was pathetic Cards-now have to wait and see how badly Kolb is hurt

As much as Kolb looks exactly like the guy who paid Dirk Diggler to jack it, Skelton looked like a statue.

[DaddyTorgo]

This Patriots defense is still brutal. Jeez. Good on stripping the ball, but man they can't get off the field.

(and yes - I DVR'd so I'm actually catching up...still 8mins to go in the 4th Q in my watching).

[Grover]

As much as Kolb looks exactly like the guy who paid Dirk Diggler to jack it, Skelton looked like a statue.

Bahahahahhahahahha!

[DaddyTorgo]

This Patriots defense is still brutal. Jeez. Good on stripping the ball, but man they can't get off the field.

(and yes - I DVR'd so I'm actually catching up...still 8mins to go in the 4th Q in my watching).

//sigh

Yeah - i'm officially done believing this team can do anything until they actually develop a defensive backfield that isn't fucking embarassing. Pathetic.

[Logan]

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[Buccaneer]

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I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

[BlackJack]

I'd love...LOVE to see the 49ers just pummel the Giants today. Something like 42-10. Just complete domination in every phase of the game, not unlike the 49ers last two games.

Then I'd like to see Gillbride blame the loss on Justin Smith holding onto his O-linemen, or something else equally minuscule.

Nailed it!

[Lathum]

G-Men!

QFT

[RedKingGold]

Seems like this could be the most wide-open NFL season in awhile, no team has really taken the conch and run with it. Sure, Atlanta and Houston are undefeated, but Atlanta hasn't really looked dominant in any of their games thus far and Houston has not really been tested yet.

[Julio Riddols]

After the conch gets passed around enough, nobody is even going to want it.

[Lathum]

Had to DVR the game because they were showing my house, a few replies and comments...


Eli has an incredible ability to come up with the big play at the right time.

Some people would call that clutch. Some people say there is no such thing. all I know is as a Giants fan there is honestly no one else in football I would want in a big spot. He never gets rattled.

The Giants receivers are fantastic, they just seem to catch everything thrown at them.

People say White-Jones is the best WR combo in the league, but when Nicks is healthy I'll take him and Cruz any day. And that doesnt even factor in our 4-5 receivers are capable of making huge plays with a 6-6 Barten and Randell who was a 2nd round pick and currently a big ST contributor. Plus Bennet is having a break out year with Eli throwing to him.

Giants WR's are making all the plays right now against the SF secondary.

Cruz made Rodgers his bitch

Akers can't get out of his own way right now. Damn that would have been a nice 6 point swing.

In fairness it was a 52 yarder in candlestick, no easy feat.

Niners kryptonite continues to be there special teams coverage unit, especially their kick off team.

Wilson was huge in the return game and if he shows he can protect the football he and Bradshaw will be a scary 1-2 combo

Giants laying the wood in SF today and should be up by more.

I was pretty worried until about halfway through the 4th quarter, too many field goals when they should have put them away with touchdowns off the turnovers.

Worst game I've seen the Pats play in years. They did the hard stuff and failed at all the easy stuff.

Playing in Seattle will do that to you. My coworkers will be insufferable tomorrow.

As for the Giants they obviously player their best game of the season, I'm hoping this will give them some momentum going into what is the toughest schedule in the NFL the rest of the season.

[jeff061]

Playing in Seattle will do that to you. My coworkers will be insufferable tomorrow.



So you are trying to tell me they have peyton manning and a team of randy moss's in their prime playing for Seattle?

[SnowMan]

Who else had Seattle beating Dallas, Green Bay, Carolina and New England? Me neither. Crazy season so far.

[Matthean]

So you are trying to tell me they have peyton manning and a team of randy moss's in their prime playing for Seattle?

Seattle is one of the harder places to get a win all things considered equal.

[jeff061]

I don't even know what that means. WRs run down field, QB drops back and hail mary's it and completes it a half dozen times, maybe 1 of them could be considered a good throw. What does that have to do with anything but the Pats clueless secondary.

[Izulde]

Speaking of the NFL, I have to ask: Who picks the writers for Bleacher Report? The articles on there are consistently terrible - on the level of bad high school journalism.

[Lathum]

I don't even know what that means. WRs run down field, QB drops back and hail mary's it and completes it a half dozen times, maybe 1 of them could be considered a good throw. What does that have to do with anything but the Pats clueless secondary.

I didnt even watch the game, I am basing my comment off yours.

[molson]

Yeah - i'm officially done believing this team can do anything until they actually develop a defensive backfield that isn't fucking embarassing. Pathetic.

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

[BillJasper]

I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

A-fucking-men!

[Radii]

I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

The DirectTV RedZone channel did just that. They'll go split screen sometimes but I've never seen them try three screens. Saw the Arizona FG live and then the other two touchdowns right after and thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Jas_lov]

I haven't figured out this Packer team yet. Another great 1st half, hopefully they can finish it this time. If they can get through this 3-3 they've got some winnable games before the bye. They might not have any linebackers left but they'll be back on track. O-line looks really good tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

Pats absolutely killed themselves with stupid mistakes and horrible Brady play in this game though.

I'm just sick of having a shit-defense for years now. Feels like they can't stop anybody.

Not saying I won't watch, but my expectatons have gone from 13-3/12-4 to like...10-6.

[Lathum]

I think the Packers are trying to prove a point

[Matthean]

I think this is also a game where one team needed it way more than the other. A 2-4 Packer team would have had a rather uphill battle for even getting into the playoffs. Houston with a loss is still 3.5 games up in their division.

[SirFozzie]

The Good news: I had Rodgers in my FF league, and he scored me 38 points.

The bad news: My opponent has Jordy Nelson, who scored 30, and thus he's going to beat me :(

[bronconick]

The Texans looked like last year's Lions out there. "Oh, we stopped them, allow me to commit this bonehead penalty and extend your drive" at least three different times leading to at least 11 more points.

[EagleFan]

That sucked. Hoped to see them make a run at 19-0. I guess the geezers are celebrating.

[Easy Mac]

Umm NFL Gamecast - Oakland vs Atlanta (http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/gamecast?gameId=321014001&version=mobile)

[Alan T]

Good time for a bye week for the Falcons coming up. The last three weeks have not been confident wins at all. They come back off of the bye with a tough game on the road at Phily.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I watching exactly that at the time and thought it was really annoying. We couldn't tell what was going on in any one of the three games. They should've sequenced them at full screen like they normally do.

I thought it was exciting and awesome. Definitely a fun moment to see all of that unfold at once.

RedZone is the best.

[Logan]

I thought it was exciting and awesome. Definitely a fun moment to see all of that unfold at once.

RedZone is the best.

I agree. I was watching on a 46" screen and could see everything just fine. And to me, part of the greatness of it was seeing all 3 happen "boom-boom-boom" that any production surrounding it would have diminished it.

[Easy Mac]

Speaking of the NFL, I have to ask: Who picks the writers for Bleacher Report? The articles on there are consistently terrible - on the level of bad high school journalism.

Your answer is in your sentence

[Desnudo]

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

Their front 7 is better. I would argue their secondary is even worse than last year somehow. Teams are going to start tossing up long bombs every time knowing they'll get a PI because the cb didn't turn around or a 50 yard completion because both safeties thought it was a run. Wilson had 3 completions over 45 yards! The coaching staff needs to look at the schemes it's running and how they're developing players. This is no longer a talent issue.

[molson]

Their front 7 is better. I would argue their secondary is even worse than last year somehow. Teams are going to start tossing up long bombs every time knowing they'll get a PI because the cb didn't turn around or a 50 yard completion because both safeties thought it was a run. Wilson had 3 completions over 45 yards! The coaching staff needs to look at the schemes it's running and how they're developing players. This is no longer a talent issue.

Their secondary is pretty terrible but I'm not sure in the 2012 NFL HOW terrible it is - it seems like everyone gets big plays and tons of passing yards.

I do wonder how much longer it will be until more arena league-type thinking comes into these games. Just like at the super bowl, once the Seahawks got to the 50, I wondered if the better strategy might be just to let them score and go for a FG to win. Maybe we're not there quite yet, but the odds of the Patriots stopping the Sehawks for scoring there can't be that much better than the odds of the Patriots getting a FG in 3 or 4 minutes.

[Desnudo]

Their secondary is pretty terrible but I'm not sure in the 2012 NFL HOW terrible it is - it seems like everyone gets big plays and tons of passing yards.

I do wonder how much longer it will be until more arena league-type thinking comes into these games. Just like at the super bowl, once the Seahawks got to the 50, I wondered if the better strategy might be just to let them score and go for a FG to win. Maybe we're not there quite yet, but the odds of the Patriots stopping the Sehawks for scoring there can't be that much better than the odds of the Patriots getting a FG in 3 or 4 minutes.

Well they generally rank near last in yards passing allowed, so pretty terrible, even in context. I know the bend-don't-break, make big play, philosophy from the SB years. It obviously doesn't work anymore. I didn't see Seattle get whistled for PI on every long pass. I saw good technique and coverage.

[molson]

Well they generally rank near last in yards passing allowed, so pretty terrible, even in context. I know the bend-don't-break, make big play, philosophy from the SB years. It obviously doesn't work anymore. I didn't see Seattle get whistled for PI on every long pass. I saw good technique and coverage.

There's a lot of people jumping of bridges over a 1-point loss to the best defensive team (according to the announcers, I don't know how true that is) on the road, by 1 point, in a game where your QB made several uncharacteristic bad decisions. I don't think anything's "obvious" after that game, except what I already knew, Seattle's a tough place to play.

[Desnudo]

Their secondary is pretty terrible but I'm not sure in the 2012 NFL HOW terrible it is - it seems like everyone gets big plays and tons of passing yards.

I do wonder how much longer it will be until more arena league-type thinking comes into these games. Just like at the super bowl, once the Seahawks got to the 50, I wondered if the better strategy might be just to let them score and go for a FG to win. Maybe we're not there quite yet, but the odds of the Patriots stopping the Sehawks for scoring there can't be that much better than the odds of the Patriots getting a FG in 3 or 4 minutes.

Well they generally rank near last in yards passing allowed, so pretty terrible, even in context. I know the bend-don't-break, make big play, philosophy from the SB years. It obviously doesn't work anymore. I didn't see Seattle get whistled for PI on every long pass. I saw good technique and coverage.

For example, forcing the sideline receiver out of bounds in the end zone. You never see them do that.

[Desnudo]

There's a lot of people jumping of bridges over a 1-point loss to the best defensive team (according to the announcers, I don't know how true that is) on the road, by 1 point, in a game where your QB made several uncharacteristic bad decisions. I don't think anything's "obvious" after that game, except what I already knew, Seattle's a tough place to play.

I think you have blinders on then. Agreed that this particular loss can be pinned on Brady and the staff. The lost field goal by itself was the difference between winning and losing. However, we see the same defensive mistakes being made week in and week out over the course of several years. If the offensive makes any mistakes at all, you know they're hosed, which is a terrible amount of pressure to put on the offense.

[Blackadar]

That's earlier than usual, DT.

You don't need a defense to get to the Super Bowl, the Patriots proved that last year, and their defense this year is superior to last year's (and the running game is much, much better, and will show it more in weeks they don't play in Seattle). The Pats were very marginal favorites in this game, the Seahawks are good generally, they're awesome at home, and they needed a few dopey Brady plays to win.

The Patriots were also exceptionally lucky last year, schedule-wise. The only team they beat with a winning record was Baltimore in the AFC Championship (and that game was handed to them). That's never happened to any other team in NFL history. Otherwise, their only games against teams with winning records were against the 9-7 Giants and the 12-4 Steelers and lost both games.

I think this years' Patsies team may actually be better than last years', even if the record doesn't show it. Of course, they're about to hit what looks like a pretty easy run in the next few weeks - STL, BUF, IND, NYJ and MIA. I'd be surprised if they don't win at least 4 of those 5 games.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think you have blinders on then. Agreed that this particular loss can be pinned on Brady and the staff. The lost field goal by itself was the difference between winning and losing. However, we see the same defensive mistakes being made week in and week out over the course of several years. If the offensive makes any mistakes at all, you know they're hosed, which is a terrible amount of pressure to put on the offense.

Exactly. It's not necessarily this one loss. It's the fact that it's been the same damn problem for years, with zero evidence that there's any improvement, or fuck...at this point even recognition of it by the coaching staff, or ability to improve it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

What a lousy day. I don't think a single team that I wanted to see win/lose, did. Except for Eagles.

Glad the Lions could oblige, Bucc!

[molson]

The Patriots were also exceptionally lucky last year, schedule-wise. The only team they beat with a winning record was Baltimore in the AFC Championship (and that game was handed to them). That's never happened to any other team in NFL history. Otherwise, their only games against teams with winning records were against the 9-7 Giants and the 12-4 Steelers and lost both games.

I think this years' Patsies team may actually be better than last years', even if the record doesn't show it. Of course, they're about to hit what looks like a pretty easy run in the next few weeks - STL, BUF, IND, NYJ and MIA. I'd be surprised if they don't win at least 4 of those 5 games.

There's a lot of people jumping of bridges over a 1-point loss to the best defensive team (according to the announcers, I don't know how true that is) on the road, by 1 point, in a game where your QB made several uncharacteristic bad decisions. I don't think anything's "obvious" after that game, except what I already knew, Seattle's a tough place to play. If they scored a TD or even a FG at the end of the first half and won, nobody would be freaking out about the defense this morning. Looking at some of the defensive stats, they look like they're around that 22-27 rank in most of the passing stats - which is also about where they are in passing attempts faced.

On the flip side, they're #1, by a pretty large margin in expected points contributed by rushing defense - I'm not exactly sure what that is, but its the only "advanced" stat quickly available on my profootballreference search. So overall on defense, they're right in the middle of the pack by that same metric. I'm just not seeing epic defensive failure, or certainly, not any more than last year's super bowl team had.

I'm a little more concerned about the offense. Yesterday would have been a 20-point win kind of game regardless of the big plays given up on defense in a lot of prior years.

[molson]

Exactly. It's not necessarily this one loss. It's the fact that it's been the same damn problem for years, with zero evidence that there's any improvement, or fuck...at this point even recognition of it by the coaching staff, or ability to improve it.

I think you've forgotten what it's like to root for a bad team. This team with this "damn problem" went to the super bowl last year, and a bunch of other years, and haven't had a losing season since 2000. And you're all pissed off and giving up on them 6 games in. This run is as good as things possibly get as a sports fan.

[molson]

If the offensive makes any mistakes at all, you know they're hosed, which is a terrible amount of pressure to put on the offense.

I wouldn't say "any mistakes at all". The Patriots aren't going to win a huge % of their games in which they can only score 23 points, but that's true of a lot of teams.

[molson]

The Patriots were also exceptionally lucky last year, schedule-wise. The only team they beat with a winning record was Baltimore in the AFC Championship (and that game was handed to them). That's never happened to any other team in NFL history. Otherwise, their only games against teams with winning records were against the 9-7 Giants and the 12-4 Steelers and lost both games.

I think this years' Patsies team may actually be better than last years', even if the record doesn't show it. Of course, they're about to hit what looks like a pretty easy run in the next few weeks - STL, BUF, IND, NYJ and MIA. I'd be surprised if they don't win at least 4 of those 5 games.

They had a fortunate schedule, but not quite as fortunate as the final breakdown suggests (they played an unusual number of 8-8 teams, and a few that collapsed to 8-8 if I recall.) But the point's still there, if you have an epically terrible defense, but can still beat anyone .500 or less with no problem, and beat winning teams if the ball bounces your way, then defense doesn't matter that much, and you're not too far away as it is.

[molson]

Dola, my only point though is, I'm not giving up on the Patriots this year and I think it's silly to do so after that game. Who's clearly better than them in the AFC? Houston probably (who, speaking of defense, just gave up 42 points to a team that hasn't been good all year), maybe Baltimore (though I think that depends on home field, and even then, that would be your typically ugly Ravens/Pats playoff game that could go either way). That's it. And if Green Bay can score 42 on Texas, certainly the Pats offense can if they're on.

[Jas_lov]

There's no great team. Just get to the playoffs and get hot, that's the formula. Atlanta has done this before and got spanked by a hot Packers team in the playoffs. The Texans are going to appear better than they are because they play in the worst division.

[stevew]

Kind of sucks that we may have seen the last of Ray Lewis. I wonder how many tackles he will record the rest of the way in street clothes.

[JediKooter]

Kind of sucks that we may have seen the last of Ray Lewis. I wonder how many tackles he will record the rest of the way in street clothes.

Can't remember who the Ravens played last week, but, watching Ray Lewis run after someone was like watching someone in a wheel chair trying to chase down the bus they are about to miss.

[DaddyTorgo]

I think you've forgotten what it's like to root for a bad team. This team with this "damn problem" went to the super bowl last year, and a bunch of other years, and haven't had a losing season since 2000. And you're all pissed off and giving up on them 6 games in. This run is as good as things possibly get as a sports fan.

Again - I didn't say I was giving up. In fact I expressly said I wasn't giving up, Just....adjusting my expectations.

[Danny]

Exactly. It's not necessarily this one loss. It's the fact that it's been the same damn problem for years, with zero evidence that there's any improvement, or fuck...at this point even recognition of it by the coaching staff, or ability to improve it.

Whaaaaaaaa, my mom bought me a new Ferrari, but it's a 2011 model, woe as me!

I am kidding, but try rooting for the Raiders some time.

[Lathum]

good start for Denver special teams

[TroyF]

good start for Denver special teams

First one was clearly fair catch interference not called.

I am starting to wonder what a Charger tackle has to do to get holding called on them. Both Dumerville and Miller are getting held on every passing play. Think I am being biased, just watch the plays.

What in the bleep is it with Denver WR when they catch a ball with nobody on them? Between Decker and Thomas they have been destroying the Broncos this year on those type of balls.

[Lathum]

wow, what a turn of events

[Fidatelo]

Fucking Decker, fucking Broncos. Fuck.

[TroyF]

Deckers slip costs Denver 7 points

[bulletsponge]

damn, Denver is going to need Tebow to save their crappy season if they want to make the playoffs ;)

[bulletsponge]

Deckers slip costs Denver 7 points

actually 14, cause SD wouldnt have the pick 6 either. so its a 14 point swing

[bhlloy]

Obviously everybody blames the WR, but even if Willis runs a hitch there, Jammer is still in front of him and takes it to the house surely? Seems to me more like Manning assumed he was going to get a certain look based on the blitz and that's on him

[Lathum]

Obviously everybody blames the WR, but even if Willis runs a hitch there, Jammer is still in front of him and takes it to the house surely? Seems to me more like Manning assumed he was going to get a certain look based on the blitz and that's on him

everyone is blaming Decker for tripping over the 30 yardline, not the pick.

[bhlloy]

Talking about the commentators, who are fellating the big name QB as usual

[Lathum]

Talking about the commentators, who are fellating the big name QB as usual

aha, watching without sound.

[Fidatelo]

Peyton is set up for another patented 4th quarter comeback so we can lose 31-24.

[Wolfpack]

I thought it was exciting and awesome. Definitely a fun moment to see all of that unfold at once.

RedZone is the best.

Also in RedZone's defense about showing all three at once, I'm pretty sure they were just doing a "catch-up" to let everyone know where things were in all three games. If RG3 were brought down for a sack and Russell Wilson had just handed the ball over to Lynch for another run, they probably would have just gone to a full screen of the Arizona field goal attempt and once that was resolved, would have switched over to one of the other two games. However, once all hell broke loose on those scoring plays, there was no way they were going to switch those off since they all happened at the same time.

[bhlloy]

Norv Turner the 30 minute wonder

[TroyF]

Obviously everybody blames the WR, but even if Willis runs a hitch there, Jammer is still in front of him and takes it to the house surely? Seems to me more like Manning assumed he was going to get a certain look based on the blitz and that's on him


Not the way I read the play at all. Willis was supposed to turn right at the first down marker. Jammer caught the ball one yard behind it. Jammer may have jumped the route, but the likelihood is that he would have broken up the play, not had a pic 6. That was clearly on Willis. On a blitz from that side, the WR has to read that "hot".

Again, I'm not saying great things happen for the Broncos if he makes the right read, but him not making it was absolutely on him, not Manning.

[TroyF]

FWIW, if there is anything I like about the announcers tonight, it's them showing off the Chargers tackles clearly holding on the outside of the shoulder pad and saying "look at that great blocking, Dumerville needs to do a better job"

That was one of the more comical things I have seen in a long time.

[kingfc22]

Peyton is set up for another patented 4th quarter comeback so we can lose 31-24.

Do you have the lotto numbers by chance?

[Fidatelo]

This is the part where the Broncos break my heart.

[Fidatelo]

Or maybe not?!?

[Fidatelo]

Do you have the lotto numbers by chance?

The 'we' in my statement was the Broncos. I'm already wrong because we have 28, but I still won't be shocked if we lose. Why do we keep spotting teams 20+ points?

[BishopMVP]

Their front 7 is better. I would argue their secondary is even worse than last year somehow. Teams are going to start tossing up long bombs every time knowing they'll get a PI because the cb didn't turn around or a 50 yard completion because both safeties thought it was a run. Wilson had 3 completions over 45 yards! The coaching staff needs to look at the schemes it's running and how they're developing players. This is no longer a talent issue.I'm sure people will disagree, but I don't think the CB's have been playing terribly this year. It's really the lack of a second competent safety that's killing them. On the long catch by Golden Tate for example, McCourty was actually playing really good outside technique, but the safety never came over to give him inside help. That last touchdown (with Chung out) both safeties were split up the middle, about the 5th time that's happened this season (the Bills with Scott Chandler most notably). Part of that is youth and inexperience, but then why are we running out rookies known for their special teams ability in college (Nate Ebner/Tavon Wilson) at safety?

[Fidatelo]

Decker got screwed there, should have been a massive completion.

[Lathum]

looks like Peyton has learned something from his little brother about comebacks.

[TroyF]

That may have been the worst call I have seen this year. Offensive PI? Really? I mean, REALLY?

That was horrible. one of the top five worst calls I have seen this year. Regular officials or replacement officials. The ref who made the call should be fired on the spot.

[Lathum]

I try not to be a hater, but I love how they keep showing Rivers on the sideline, he is such a pouty little bitch.

[Crapshoot]

That may have been the worst call I have seen this year. Offensive PI? Really? I mean, REALLY?

That was horrible. one of the top five worst calls I have seen this year. Regular officials or replacement officials. The ref who made the call should be fired on the spot.

Troy, has there been a call against the Broncos that was right? :D :D

[Lathum]

That may have been the worst call I have seen this year. Offensive PI? Really? I mean, REALLY?

That was horrible. one of the top five worst calls I have seen this year. Regular officials or replacement officials. The ref who made the call should be fired on the spot.

Manning agrees, love the shot of him yelling at the line judge

[spleen1015]

looks like Peyton has learned something from his little brother about comebacks.

Peyton has 36 comeback wins and Eli has 22.

[bhlloy]

Do you have the lotto numbers by chance?

Yeah, a Norv Turner/Phillip Rivers team losing a big lead in the second half. Who the fuck could possibly have seen that coming :banghead:

Seriously, can the lot of them. Clueless front office and coaching staff rubs off on the team.

[Crapshoot]

So, is Norv finally fired?

[spleen1015]

I try not to be a hater, but I love how they keep showing Rivers on the sideline, he is such a pouty little bitch.

Heh.

[TroyF]

Troy, has there been a call against the Broncos that was right? :D :D

sorry, I call em like I see em. If that ref really feels that is offensive PI, he does not deserve to have a job. Again, plain and simple, it was one of the worst calls I have seen this year. It wasn't even close to offensive PI.

The only good thing is Rivers cannot play in the clutch anymore and it isn't going to matter. What a comeback. 35-0 in the second half.

Unbelievable.

[kingfc22]

Don't worry Charger fans. Norv Turner will still be your head coach tomorrow.

[EagleFan]

I try not to be a hater, but I love how they keep showing Rivers on the sideline, he is such a pouty little bitch.

+1

[Fidatelo]

Wow, what a comeback!! Tebow!!! er... Peyton!!!

[spleen1015]

When did Tony Romo start playing for the Chargers?

[Lathum]

Peyton has 36 comeback wins and Eli has 22.

the internet needs a sarcasm font. Glad you took the time to look that up though.

It's probably because Eli is so awesome he doesn't need come from behind wins.

[bhlloy]

So at least that Rivers pick means I stay unbeaten in my main fantasy league. Yay?

[EagleFan]

sorry, I call em like I see em. If that ref really feels that is offensive PI, he does not deserve to have a job. Again, plain and simple, it was one of the worst calls I have seen this year. It wasn't even close to offensive PI.

The only good thing is Rivers cannot play in the clutch anymore and it isn't going to matter. What a comeback. 35-0 in the second half.

Unbelievable.

A little over-dramatic if you are calling that one of the worst call of the year. The offensive PI on Celek yesterday was much worse than that one.

[Scoobz0202]

When did Tony Romo start playing for the Chargers?

Jesus Christ

[spleen1015]

the internet needs a sarcasm font. Glad you took the time to look that up though.

It's probably because Eli is so awesome he doesn't need come from behind wins.

Took a 5 second google search. :D

Eli is awesome.

[EagleFan]

the internet needs a sarcasm font. Glad you took the time to look that up though.

It's probably because Eli is so awesome he doesn't need come from behind wins.

The problem is, playing in Denver he will never be able to learn from Eli how to win a second Super Bowl.... baffles my mind why he didn't pick the 49ers instead of Denver.

[Buccaneer]

That may have been the worst call I have seen this year. Offensive PI? Really? I mean, REALLY?

That was horrible. one of the top five worst calls I have seen this year. Regular officials or replacement officials. The ref who made the call should be fired on the spot.

Good to see you back. But you can't fit 27 worst calls of all time into the top 5. :lol:

Go Broncos.

[EagleFan]

Jesus Christ

No, don't see Tebow anywhere...

[mckerney]

http://i.imgur.com/cphzK.jpg

[mckerney]

http://i.imgur.com/WcGqB.jpg

[Sun Tzu]

Ugh. Every year half of my fantasy team gets injured, and the other half has their career-worst year.

[mckerney]

http://i.imgur.com/r6TCE.jpg

[Lathum]

Can you really put this one on Norv?

Full disclosure I half watched the game, but it seems like there were a lot of sloppy plays from the chargers in the second half.