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[Ben E Lou]

EDIT: FORUM IS UP. HERE IS THE FORUM LINK: The Cash Money Football League Forum (http://www.fof-cmfl.com/forum/forum.php)

Trying to see where we are in terms of numbers. Here's the general structure (subject to tweaking by the collective 32 owners who join):


I am willing to be a non-owner commish for a league like this:
$75 per person initial buy-in, plus one-time $8 per person vBulletin License fee.
Payouts may only be taken above the initial buy-in cost. You pocket your earnings above $75 and play the next season for free. You're essentially paying a $75 franchise fee to get in. If your earnings are less than $75 for a season, they're all applied to next season's fee. However, in the league's final season, all earnings will be paid out.
I am paid $225 per season. That will cover web hosting plus league administration.
The remaining $2,175 is earned by the league owners based on performance
Roughly 2/3 (~$1,500) of earnings will be based on regular season performance, and roughly 1/3 ($~750) on postseason performance.
Specific earnings/payout structure may be found in the "PROPOSAL: $75 Buy-In" tab of the Google Spreadsheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuusM9tO5fG3dGtuYXpPUWM5M1NZMUVlTUM4cmhfamc) I created, but in brief:
The champ will take a payout in the $350-$395 range, depending on how he did in the regular season.
The runner-up will take a payout roughly in the $200-$250 range.
Conf. Championship game losers pocket roughly $50-$100.
All other playoff teams basically get next season free or pay a minimal amount ($15 or less.) Some will earn minimal payouts ($15 or less.)
Every regular season win is worth $5.
Finishing 8-8 cuts the cost for next season to $35.
Just a 5-win season cuts costs to $50 for next season.
Cities, stadiums, and finances would be leveled out in-game. Coaches cannot be equalized.
30% Cap Reduction, no franchise tag.
Schedule would be a bit slower than the CCFL, but not much. Mainly I'll spread out staff hiring, do preseason in two sims instead of one, and drop to five sims per week.
Low injuries to reduce the luck factor and to remove the necessity to export much during the regular season.
Definitely want a league Board of Directors working with me to make decisions, mainly on trades.
Initial owner group would pay an initial $8 per person one-time fee for a purchase of the new version of vBulletin.
Best startup option would seem to be BFL-style: snake draft, 20-ish live rounds, AI the rest of the way. If the initial owners want me to do a full 53-round draft and manually enter all those guys, you're going to have to pay me a one-time fee for that headache, probably 10 bucks a head.
Restricted trading, either by a simple "no trading of future picks" rule, or a trade review board.

Thanks. If we get enough interest based on this poll, I could get moving on this as early as this evening. (I'm in a hotel room in middle-of-nowhere Missouri with no responsibilities until the morning. ;))

[Ben E Lou]

Note that if we start with a 3-year commitment, there will be full payouts in year 1 and year 2 since you've already paid for next year. In other words, if you pay $225 and win 5 games in year 1, you'll get $25 back at the end of that season.

[w24olfpack]

In. Prefer not to tie up $225 but def everyone needs to pay up front of season.

And team preference would be either Denver or Carolina but would play regardless.

[RedKingGold]

In.

[RipMurdock]

If I understand the schedule correctly, the regular season would be simmed at 5 games a week Monday thru Friday. That's way too fast for me if I'm spending money. I could do 2 or 3 games a week but not 4 or 5.

[Yoda]

In. Prefer not to tie up $225 but def everyone needs to pay up front of season.

This.

[Dutch]

I've scaled back my leagues and am wrapping up my bachelor's degree work this week (night school can officially suck it!), so I'm good for at least a few seasons.

[sidthelid]

i'm in but 5 sims is a lot in one week if we're playing for money. Raiders please ;)

[TRO]

If I understand the schedule correctly, the regular season would be simmed at 5 games a week Monday thru Friday. That's way too fast for me if I'm spending money. I could do 2 or 3 games a week but not 4 or 5.

This.

[Ben E Lou]

Oops. I probably should have mentioned that the injury setting would be 50 or 75 most likely, so there would be very little to do during the regular season. I only export three or four times a season in the CCFL right now with injuries at 75. That will help with that tremendously.

[Subby]

in

[scorp]

I am undecided on if I am interested but $75 a season and 5 sims a week gets steep when you complete a season/offseason in 6/7 weeks. you could looking a a new monthly bill.

[digamma]

Interested, but prefer a slower league in this setting to try to build community and immersion. Not that I make a whole lot of adjustments week to week, but I want to savor my donation a bit.

[RipMurdock]

Oops. I probably should have mentioned that the injury setting would be 50 or 75 most likely, so there would be very little to do during the regular season. I only export three or four times a season in the CCFL right now with injuries at 75. That will help with that tremendously.

That's not the point, at least for me. If you think gameplanning for each game is important, then you need time to do gameplanning.

[Pyser]

ben, have you looked into a flat cap, or a cap that rises very slowly, as another means to keep salaries in check?

i prefer it in SP, though it doesnt work very well since the AI cant adjust. i just hate when kickers are suddenly making $5m a year, thought it could be another way to do a cap crunch.

[Ben E Lou]

ben, have you looked into a flat cap, or a cap that rises very slowly, as another means to keep salaries in check?

i prefer it in SP, though it doesnt work very well since the AI cant adjust. i just hate when kickers are suddenly making $5m a year, thought it could be another way to do a cap crunch.I've tested this myself, and I believe a MP league somewhere may have tried it. The bottom line is that a flat cap or low-rising one is basically just cosmetic. It doesn't affect any significant change in FA, though, because the players' contract demands scale with the salary cap. In other words, a guy asking for $5M a year under a $100M cap will ask for $10M a year under a $200M cap, and $7.5M a year under a $150M cap. There's a minor crunch in SP to the AI, because they don't reneg as often as we do, and it appears that the backloading is scaled to rise as if the cap were rising an average amount per year. But it's pretty much meaningless in MP if people just renegotiate the deals.

That said, if it's something the league wants to do as a means of keeping contracts stable, then it's certainly doable for that reason.

As far as speed, I'm certainly open to a slower pace. This is going to sound counter-intuitive until I explain it, but if we do a slower pace, the house would need to keep a little more per season. The reason is that hosting costs and resources required don't change for a slower-paced league. In other words, IHOF (3 games per week) was at 2032 FA1:5 this time in the 2011 calendar year. Now it's at 2036 Week 16. The CCFL ran the 2019 preseason on this date in 2011. It's in the 2027 playoffs now. So if I'm setting aside $75 per season for hosting (which is roughly what I was thinking) at a CCFL pace, it's $600 per calendar year. At an IHOF pace, that's only $300 per calendar year. I'd need to set aside $150 per season at that pace. (My plan is to get an entirely different server from my current one, dedicated to this league only, that costs $50 per month.) So going down to 3 games per week probably means an additional $75 per season to the house.

I just created an additional tab ($75 Per Season, Three Games Per Week) on the Google spreadsheet to reflect what the payouts would be at three games per week. The good news is that they don't really change much.

Obviously, if it's the difference between being able to fill the league quickly and struggling to find owners, the prudent move would be to drop it to 3 games per week. Let's see how it plays out the next day or two as the work week begins.

[bulletsponge]

if i was working steady id be interested, but now i cant afford this

[Gallifrey]

Interesting to see this thread.

I have run a fantasy football league for 18 years, and often wondered if a FOF league run like the fantasy league (entry fee, payout system) would work, or make a difference.

Big cheers to Ben for looking to take this on. It could prove to be solid.

[MalcPow]

In.

[claystone]

Getting shit back together with my life.

I'll be in for the 3-yr season for $225.

I don't mind 5 or 4 games a week. I actually perfer 4 games a week.

My new email is: [email protected]

[MRL17]

I'm interested, but 75 a month to get my ass kicked sounds pretty steep.

[Ben E Lou]

I'm interested, but 75 a month to get my ass kicked sounds pretty steep.
The seasons will probably take 2 1/2 months or so, so it's just $75 four or five times a year! :D

Seriously, with the way it's structured, you'll rarely have to pay that much.

[MRL17]

The seasons will probably take 2 1/2 months or so, so it's just $75 four or five times a year! :D

Seriously, with the way it's structured, you'll rarely have to pay that much.

I do pretty well in normal leagues, but with 32 motivated owners, I am tempering expectations. If I assume that I go 4-12, then it's 55 per season. I guess that's pretty similar to my fantasy football league, so I'm tentatively in.

[mtolson]

Count me it. 3 games a weeks sounds good, 5 games might be pushing it for me as well.

[QuikSand]

In.

I prefer the highest nominal price anyone can stand, especially with the tiers of discounts in play.

Faster the better.

Would prefer fake teams and players of course, and insist on game-generated drafts.


Many thanks to Ben.

[Dutch]

I would appreciate fake teams and players as well.

[w24olfpack]

Would prefer fake teams and players of course, and insist on game-generated drafts.


Many thanks to Ben.

Thanks for taking on this project.

And COMPLETELY agree on the draft. If human eyes can see the draft classes then its not worth it.

[Ben E Lou]

If we do fictional, do we have someone in the group that can do logos? I doubt what I'd do to deal with that would be "acceptable" to most people. The only other thought would be to use the WOOF teams and logos.

[ShaneTheMaster]

I have logos/helmets etc. that I use for my personal leagues that yall can use to start with.

[Dutch]

I can help with the logo maintenance. Wont be Cuervo Gold but maybe a bronze quality to them.

[ShaneTheMaster]

Heres some samples that I have:

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e281/Buhbooh/nfa/bombers.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e281/Buhbooh/nfa/devils.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e281/Buhbooh/nfa/eagles.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e281/Buhbooh/nfa/flames.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e281/Buhbooh/nfa/spiders.jpg

[stevew]

If we do fictional, do we have someone in the group that can do logos? I doubt what I'd do to deal with that would be "acceptable" to most people. The only other thought would be to use the WOOF teams and logos.

Woof closed? Damn, I know sportsdigs talked about this apparently 4 months ago.

[Ben E Lou]

I can help with the logo maintenance. Wont be Cuervo Gold but maybe a bronze quality to them.If we used the ShaneTheMaster logos, would you be able to get a template to modify for future new teams? (I have no idea how all of that works.)

[Ben E Lou]

Oh, and one thing that those of you wanting fictional teams *might* not be aware of, but that I've experienced as a commish, and had other commishes share similar stories with me: it can be at least somewhat limiting. There's a subset of potential owners who only want to play in a league with NFL teams and cities.

I'm not saying that's a reason not to do it, but just wanting to make sure you're going in with eyes wide open.

[w24olfpack]

Oh, and one thing that those of you wanting fictional teams *might* not be aware of, but that I've experienced as a commish, and had other commishes share similar stories with me: it can be at least somewhat limiting. There's a subset of potential owners who only want to play in a league with NFL teams and cities.

I'm not saying that's a reason not to do it, but just wanting to make sure you're going in with eyes wide open.

I prefer NFL names / cities but fake AI generated players.
But, I'm easy. Have some great fake city / name combinations.

We could ask Yoda to give us 32 Star Wars universe teams....

[ShaneTheMaster]

If we used the ShaneTheMaster logos, would you be able to get a template to modify for future new teams? (I have no idea how all of that works.)

If you use my stuff, I can provide the template, as I made it myself, also I enjoy doing that sort of stuff, so I'm willing to create additional artwork if needed.

[Dutch]

I'm about 85% there with Cuervo's logo's and those were recreated from some old template. The pics above are from a template that, if layered properly, can be re-used easily enough. The key is having the actual flat logo files. Once you have those, the rest is cake.

I would expect that folks would have their own logo's they would want incorporated into fictional universes. So the agreed upon template is the big thing. I personally like the templates that Cuervo chose to use 10 years ago....amazingly enough, they are still the best one's available for this sort of stuff.

[Ben E Lou]

OK, so I'm confused, Dutch. Are we using the Shane stuff, or are you going to create 32 sets from scratch? (Keep in mind that for my sites, I need about 5 versions of each team's logo.)

[Ben E Lou]

(Fwiw, I think you guys are making a big mistake by trying to go fictional teams with this, but that's your call.)

[sidthelid]

I'm going to pull out at this stage, thanks and i hope it all goes well.

[Subby]

(Fwiw, I think you guys are making a big mistake by trying to go fictional teams with this, but that's your call.)
I think we need to do it the easiest way possible and just use NFL logos and teams and cities. This is about winning money, not making a quirky fake football team/town.

[Ben E Lou]

I think we need to do it the easiest way possible and just use NFL logos and teams and cities. This is about winning money, not making a quirky fake football team/town.To be clear, I'm not talking "degree of difficulty" here when I make the above statement. My #1 question about this concept is "can you sustain close to 32 owners?" I'd do everything I can to keep 32 owners, and my strong impression is that you lose more potential owners by going with fictional franchises. Now, MAYBE that's different if $$$ is a motivation...

[QuikSand]

I think we need to do it the easiest way possible and just use NFL logos and teams and cities. This is about winning money, not making a quirky fake football team/town.

Ok, I'm warming up to this on juice/squeeze metrics. I have had trouble getting "attached" to my NFL-based teams, but maybe the dead presidents can help us all on that front.

[Yoda]

We could ask Yoda to give us 32 Star Wars universe teams....

I could see doing that some day. But my plate is pretty full of FoF atm.

[Ben E Lou]

Is there a way to get around the Paypal transaction fees? I forgot about that little factor. I think around $2.50 of a $75 PayPal goes to PayPal.

[Yoda]

There is a fee one way or the other. If you list it as a donation one side pays it, if it's just a regular payment, then the other pays for it.

If people trust me, I'll run it though my wife's propay account, there is still a fee, but smaller than Paypals.

Maybe an NPO gets around them, not sure.

[Ben E Lou]

There is a fee one way or the other. If you list it as a donation one side pays it, if it's just a regular payment, then the other pays for it.

If people trust me, I'll run it though my wife's propay account, there is still a fee, but smaller than Paypals.

Maybe an NPO gets around them, not sure.Let's just keep it PayPal for ease. People are more familiar with it.

I can just set up the payment as a regular payment so people pay the extra couple of bucks, allowing us to keep the payouts as suggested. Thanks for that info. Didn't realize that.

[digamma]

I thought if you use your bank account directly, fees are waived?

[Yoda]

I thought if you use your bank account directly, fees are waived?

There is a lot of conflicting information out there, different sources say different ways are free. When I called paypal about it, the rep said- essentially someone pays somehow, either coming or going.

You can google how to avoid paypal fees and there is nearly endless links.

[claystone]

I prefer NFL teams, but if everyone else wants fictional teams then so be it.

But my vote will be for NFL Teams.

[digamma]

PayPal Fees - For Purchases, Getting Paid and Personal Transfers - PayPal (https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees)

[Dutch]

OK, so I'm confused, Dutch. Are we using the Shane stuff, or are you going to create 32 sets from scratch? (Keep in mind that for my sites, I need about 5 versions of each team's logo.)

It would be really tough for me to come up with 32 good looking logos on helmets quickly and by myself if I was doing it all from scratch. I don't think people had pre-fab logos as the alternative to NFL logos when they say they like fictional teams. I suspect the preference is 1.) Fictional teams (with a sense of ownership in creation) 2.) NFL Teams and 3.) Pre-fab fictional teams created by someone else.

NFL logos are clearly the easiest.

[Kodos]

You could have each owner play as his favorite fake football team. For instance, Dutch could be the Orlando Knights. That way, you'd have images to work from already in many cases.

[Ben E Lou]

PayPal Fees - For Purchases, Getting Paid and Personal Transfers - PayPal (https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/paypal-fees)OK...

Free to transfer
There’s no fee to send money to friends and family when you link a bank account or use your PayPal balance. When you use a debit or credit card, there is a flat fee of 2.9% + $0.30 per transaction. You can also send money internationally for a small fee.Mine is linked to my bank account, but every "donate to" payment for the last two years (just checked) has had an associated fee. I wonder if that's a little PayPal trick. "Use our 'Donate' button, and we'll charge you. Just send it with the email address, then no charge."



It would be really tough for me to come up with 32 good looking logos on helmets quickly and by myself if I was doing it all from scratch. I would give it a shot to help you out, but there are better ways to do this.I think we're pretty well set that we'll just use NFL.

[Dutch]

You could have each owner play as his favorite fake football team. For instance, Dutch could be the Orlando Knights. That way, you'd have images to work from already in many cases.

That would be pretty awesome, but every league uses a different standard for logos.

[RedKingGold]

I really don't have a preference as to real or fake teams, but I like Kodo's idea.

[Kodos]

You could have an IHOF division, and HFL division, WOOF, etc. :)

[Dutch]

Some thoughts on pricing.

With the exception of the 3-season $225 fee (+some of forum software), the pricing seems very reasonable for this league.

If you go 8-8 in season 3, you owe $35 for the next season. If you average .500, you'll owe $35 each season. The league would presumably finish 5 seasons a year. So that would equal a payment of $175 for an average team.

Essentially, that's $14.50 a month to play FOF MP with a chance to win nearly $400 for winning the bowl.

[Ben E Lou]

OK. The CMFL--Cash Money Football League (or Cash M.F. League, if you prefer)--is set to take its next step. Next step is this: I'm going to take $25 deposits to hold your spot. The $25 is only refundable if the league ends up not playing. In other words, paying the $25 is your commitment to the league, and it will be deducted from your first season fee. (You'll pay the rest right before we start drafting players, in other words.) Why pay the $25 now then, you ask? Paying the $25 will get you the following
the right to claim a team
the right to vote on league matters such as the schedule, rules, how to start up (live draft vs. Pref Draft vs. Free Agency)
the right to be a part of, nominate, and/or vote on the four owners who will serve as the initial "board of directors" that will assist/advise on implementation of league rulesActivity Stream - CMFL Forums (http://www.fof-cmfl.com/forum) is live. Go register. Send $25 to benelou AT bellsouth DOT net to reserve your team. Heading to bed.

[Ben E Lou]

I wonder if that's a little PayPal trick. "Use our 'Donate' button, and we'll charge you. Just send it with the email address, then no charge."Got the first payment of $25, and all $25 came across. Yup, I guess it's the difference between using their button and just entering the email address. *shurg*

[MalcPow]

Registered and money sent, great job getting the forum up Ben

[Ben E Lou]

Registered and money sent, great job getting the forum up BenOnly $23.97 came across for you, I'm guessing because it says you are "Unverified."

[Joe Clutch]

Hi Ben

I love the idea of this league but feel the risks of being awarded the 29th pick in the first round severely hamper any chances of winning as all the QB/WR/RB will be gone.

I don't know how awkward/difficult this would be but how about all the franchises start with exactly the same rated players (even if it's just for QB/WR/RB) then we draft, that way a lot of it comes down to gameplanning for the champion.

If not, I'm still seriously considering joining, just trying to work out if I can afford to lose all that money as I suck :eek:

[Ben E Lou]

That's an interesting idea, and I believe in some form that it's doable. (If nothing else, I think it's very easy to assign every single player at each position the exact same ratings.) That said, how we start needs to be up to the league as a whole.

[Joe Clutch]

That said, how we start needs to be up to the league as a whole.

Agreed.

[TRO]

Got the first payment of $25, and all $25 came across. Yup, I guess it's the difference between using their button and just entering the email address. *shurg*

I also sent it as a friend/family payment and not goods/services which would have a fee attached.

[Ben E Lou]

I love the idea of this league but feel the risks of being awarded the 29th pick in the first round severely hamper any chances of winning as all the QB/WR/RB will be gone.By the way, the other thought I have on this is that I'm not sure you're exactly correct here. If we do a draft, it would be a snake draft. The guy who gets the monster-stud WR at 1.1 may well be stuck with drafting mediocrity at QB and WR at 2.32 and 3.1, which would be his next picks...if he even uses those on QB and WR. Granted, *I* would use those picks on QB and WR also, but I'm not playing in the league, and most everyone else won't have the chutzpah to draft 16 straight offensive players like I did when the BFL started. ;)

[Joe Clutch]

By the way, the other thought I have on this is that I'm not sure you're exactly correct here. If we do a draft, it would be a snake draft. The guy who gets the monster-stud WR at 1.1 may well be stuck with drafting mediocrity at QB and WR at 2.32 and 3.1, which would be his next picks...if he even uses those on QB and WR. Granted, *I* would use those picks on QB and WR also, but I'm not playing in the league, and most everyone else won't have the chutzpah to draft 16 straight offensive players like I did when the BFL started. ;)

I have thought of that, however, of the first 20 people, if say 7 take QB's, 8 take WR's and 5 take the top RB's I wouldn't expect the second tier of these positions to be near the franchise quality of the first tier (this is all assumed, and I know the ass of u and me saying).

So if, for example someone drafts a franchise QB with a top pick then has to wait till the bottom of the second round they will probably still pick up an average WR as if you have the choice at 2.1 - 2.20 to pick an average WR/RB or a stud CB/S or other position of note most will pick the stud.

But if you draft late in the first and early 2nd you get and average QB and average WR or studs in a lesser position.

It may not work out like that and I may be thinking in a very regimental way which might not be how this would go.

Any thoughts to expand my horizons?

[Ben E Lou]

I have thought of that, however, of the first 20 people, if say 7 take QB's, 8 take WR's and 5 take the top RB's I wouldn't expect the second tier of these positions to be near the franchise quality of the first tier (this is all assumed, and I know the ass of u and me saying).

So if, for example someone drafts a franchise QB with a top pick then has to wait till the bottom of the second round they will probably still pick up an average WR as if you have the choice at 2.1 - 2.20 to pick an average WR/RB or a stud CB/S or other position of note most will pick the stud.

But if you draft late in the first and early 2nd you get and average QB and average WR or studs in a lesser position.

It may not work out like that and I may be thinking in a very regimental way which might not be how this would go.

Any thoughts to expand my horizons?
Tough to say. I just quickly did two fictional starts to take a look at what the game generates for a draft. In both cases, I'd say that there were enough QBs and WRs for everyone to get one or another quality one. In the second setup, there are 22 WRs rated 65 or better* and 12 QBs 65 or better. You *might* be better off getting two 65 types at 1.32 and 2.1 than the one 85 type at 1.1 in this setup, though I can't say that with certainty.





*-By far the most interesting "where would he get drafted" from this one is a year-15 WR with 100BPR and 84 RR. I assume that the value of a guy like that increases dramatically in a play-for-money league (as well it should.)

[stevew]

Auction the first 320 players off with everyone getting a set budget(real world or otherwise). :)

[claystone]

Hey Ben,

Trying to get Paypal on the phone to resolve my issue I'm having making a payment. I'll let you know the results.

[claystone]

All good Ben, was able to fix the problem with paypal.

Money has been sent.

[Ben E Lou]

Cool. Setting you and Yoda up...

[beeznik]

Has a decision been made on how this is going to be run? I would like to join, but convincing my wife that I want to play in a fantasy fantasy football league with a 3 season $225 commitment would be tough to get by. And of course, I'm hesitant to pay a nonrefundable deposit without knowing the amount I'm in for at the league's inception.

[Ben E Lou]

Has a decision been made on how this is going to be run? I would like to join, but convincing my wife that I want to play in a fantasy fantasy football league with a 3 season $225 commitment would be tough to get by. And of course, I'm hesitant to pay a nonrefundable deposit without knowing the amount I'm in for at the league's inception.Very fair questions there, and as a result, I think I should make two decrees:

1. First three seasons shall be no more than $75. (League can vote to increase at that point, but not before then.)
2. I'm only asking for a one-season financial commitment to get us started.

[Ben E Lou]

Working on a different method of payment. Don't send anything via PayPal pls k thx.

[Subby]

I am assuming you got mine - sent it last hour.

[RedKingGold]

I'm going to back out for now, but will watch the league with interest and may apply for a team if one opens up in the future.

[Ben E Lou]

I am assuming you got mine - sent it last hour.Yes, I did.

New payment method is set up. Go register at the league forum for details.

[claystone]

We have 14 GM's now we are looking for the remaining 18. I'm offering to pay the entry fee for the first 18 GM's that would like to play. You get to keep the winnings if you win. The catch will be, you must play at least 3 seasons.

Let me know by signing up here.

Thanks

[Sef0r]

...I'm offering to pay the entry fee for the first 18 GM's that would like to play. You get to keep the winnings if you win. The catch will be, you must play at least 3 seasons.

Let me know by signing up here.

Thanks

Holy fuck me...are you serious?

[Ben E Lou]

Holy fuck me...are you serious?Yes, he is.

[scorp]

is this entry fee the 225 for the 1st 3 seasons?

[claystone]

Holy fuck me...are you serious?

Yes.

I'm only paying for their first season. Season 2-3 they are responsible for.

[claystone]

well one GM today just took me up on my offer.

Welcome aboard.

[scorp]

OK are the rules for the league set, as in not changing final version yet?
I saw in another thread that is $25 a season.
I would rather know what exactly the complete rules are before joining a money league.
Estimated start up date ( best guess since the league needs to fill up ) I would be dropping 2 leagues if I decide to join this one.

[MalcPow]

It's $25 per season.

[Julio Riddols]

well one GM today just took me up on my offer.

Welcome aboard.

Thanks. I wanted to get into this league from its inception, but was unable to secure 75. When it came down to 25, I considered it, but we're kind of financially bound at the moment. Here in a month or two I will be able to back myself, so the ability to get in on the ground floor is a big deal and your generosity is greatly appreciated.

[Sef0r]

I am happy to take up your offer clay but need to understand what the total cost I have to fork out right away. Is it $150?

[MalcPow]

With Clay's offer there is no initial cost. He is paying the $25 for your first season. As I understand it, he expects people to play and pay for at least two more seasons themselves in the future (so $25 each time a new season starts).

[Sef0r]

When did it change from $75 to $25?

[Ben E Lou]

Front Office Football Central - View Single Post - New FOF League Forming - $$ Stakes **JOIN FOR FREE AND KEEP YOUR EARNINGS** (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showpost.php?p=2741058&postcount=25)

[claystone]

With Clay's offer there is no initial cost. He is paying the $25 for your first season. As I understand it, he expects people to play and pay for at least two more seasons themselves in the future (so $25 each time a new season starts).

That is correct, MalcPow.

[Sef0r]

That is correct, MalcPow.

Then I am in. I will play at least 3 seasons (will no doubt go longer). Do I qualify claystone?

[MalcPow]

I am pretty sure he's taking all comers. Feel free to register at the boards and claim a team. The Cash Money Football League Forum (http://www.fof-cmfl.com/forum/forum.php)

Will be great to have you.

[claystone]

Then I am in. I will play at least 3 seasons (will no doubt go longer). Do I qualify claystone?

You are good, Sef0r.

Your the 2nd GM to take me up on the offer. I hope to see more. we are not to far off from 32 GM's.

[sjshaw]

I'm in for Claystone's offer. Going to claim a team now under "Hollywood."

[Ben E Lou]

23 owners signed up now.

[claystone]

Sweet, all we need is (9) more GM's and we are done.

[MarkRidings]

I'm in, I'm trying to figure out how to sign up for a team on the league forum.

[Ben E Lou]

There's a thread with a table of owners. Just pick a team that has no one listed. It is fully updated.

[sawblade300]

Signed up today. This should be interesting to say the least.

[Ben E Lou]

Seven to go.

[PhinsFan]

I just post a thread to eNFL league and included this link and the other link in these forum as well as the leagues forum. So hope we get come takers on Claystones fantastic offer.

[MalcPow]

5 spots left now.

[claystone]

Almost there...

btw, Happy Thanksgiving.

[Ben E Lou]

League update (only four spots left):


Time to get moving? (http://www.fof-cmfl.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15)

[claystone]

Team ID Nickname CityName Abbrev Owner
0 Cardinals Arizona ARI dann
1 Falcons Atlanta ATL Yoda
2 Ravens Baltimore BAL QuikSand
3 Bills Buffalo BUF sawblade300
4 Panthers Carolina CAR hollywood
5 Bears Chicago CHI MalcPow
6 Bengals Cincinnati CIN Julio Riddols
30 Browns Cleveland CLE
7 Cowboys Dallas DAL claystone
8 Broncos Denver DEN w24olfpack
9 Lions Detroit DET doug5984
10 Packers Green Bay GBY schwantz
31 Texans Houston HOU Sef0r
11 Colts Indianapolis IND Joe Clutch
12 Jaguars Jacksonville JAX MarkRidings
13 Chiefs Kansas City KCY TRO
14 Dolphins Miami MIA PhinsFan
15 Vikings Minnesota MIN
16 Patriots New England NED Steel
19 Jets New Jersey NJY
17 Saints New Orleans NOS barrysanders
18 Giants New York NYK BigHouseRulez
20 Raiders Oakland OAK mtolson
21 Eagles Philadelphia PHI Syme
22 Steelers Pittsburgh PIT dave731
23 Chargers San Diego SDO Jughead Spock
25 49ers San Francisco SFO RedKingGold
24 Seahawks Seattle SEA Samsa
26 Rams St. Louis STL Beetlebum
27 Buccaneers Tampa Bay TBY Dutch
28 Titans Tennessee TEN jzicc
29 Redskins Washington WAS Subby

(3) teams left. Draft starts next week

[Ben E Lou]

One of the open teams is Cleveland. They're going to be ready to draft (#12 overall) in the next few hours. Official start is Monday, but jump in now, and you can make your franchise-defining pick.

http://www.fof-cmfl.com/greysheet.php?positiongroup=ALL

1. - O'Neill, Rickey, WR, Hawaii
2. - Kempe, Hardy, QB, Baylor
3. - McCarthy, Richie, WR, Nebraska
4. - Goodwin, Winston, WR, Tulane
5. - Forbes, Darryl, WR, Grambling
6. - Freeman, Orlando, QB, Kentucky
7. - Canadeo, Riddick, WR, Auburn
8. - Cranwell, Shaun, WR, Southern California
9. - Tallman, Les, WR, Oklahoma

[Yoda]

Be the next Al Davis and take your Ray Guy at 1.12 ;)

[tovell]

I'll take cleveland if it still open.

Also just to confirm it's $25 a season and we have to play a minimum of 3 seasons?

[Ben E Lou]

I'll take cleveland if it still open.

Also just to confirm it's $25 a season and we have to play a minimum of 3 seasons?1. Cleveland is still open.
2. It's $25 a season, but your first season is free. (By taking this offer, you are agreeing to stay for three seasons, so to pay for 2 of them.)
3. Go register an account at the forum and I'll get you set up.

Activity Stream - The Cash Money Football League Forum (http://www.fof-cmfl.com/forum)

[Ben E Lou]

The draft is underway. The two unclaimed are being tended to, and have both gotten off to very strong starts in the draft. Come claim one of them now.

http://www.fof-cmfl.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=15
http://www.fof-cmfl.com/teampageroster.php?teamid=19