Jack Taylor of Grinnell (D-III) scores 138 points, breaks NCAA scoring record

[korme]

Jack Taylor of Grinnell drops 138 points for collegiate scoring record - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/8658462/jack-taylor-grinnell-drops-138-points-collegiate-scoring-record)

Most will probably say this is phenomenal and impressive, but it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth on many levels

[bhlloy]

Yeah a year to the day almost since they broke the old record. I'm willing to bet if players regularly took 100 shots in a game somebody would break this record within a day.

[britrock88]

A year since the previous Grinnell scoring record was broken, you mean.

He put up 138 points on 52/108 shooting, 27/71 from 3. That's 1.28 PPS, which isn't remarkable in itself for a one-game performance. But it's great over 108 shots, particularly coming in the course of one game.

Single-game records are usually aberrational, anyway. So Taylor plays in a hurry-up system and was fed the ball after scoring 58 in the first half. Why rain on a kid's parade?

[Groundhog]

Haven't seen any footage but, you know, why not double team him or something?

[Young Drachma]

Grinnell's offense is really fun to watch in D3. And let's face it, there's just no other way at any level that this would've happened without a gimmick system. It's cool, a record is a record and it's not poor sportsmanship since the other team scored over 100 points themselves. It's just how it went down.

Here are some highlights of the game:

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[Young Drachma]

How on Earth do you score 138 points? - College Basketball Nation Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/67739/how-do-you-score-138-points)

The leading scorer from the losing team put up 34 of 44 for 70 points. He was the only guy on their team to score in double digits. Faith Baptist Bible isn't even an NCAA program, they play in the National Christian Collegiate AA and they aren't even a D1 team in that association (they play NCCAA D2), meaning they're probably as good as the JV team at your local high school.

[Young Drachma]

Here's the full replay of the game.

Grinnell Portal (http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/grinnell.portal?mode=link&eventId=79617&broadcastType=video#)

[Groundhog]

#32 just set the NCAA record for threes hit in his face. Seriously bad defense.

[molson]

I don't think its unsportsmanlike or anything but I wouldn't want to be on this guy's team. I bet everybody would get pissed off if you ever took a shot.

[PilotMan]

Apparently this was planned as the announcer mentioned it at the start of the game. They were trying to break both the individual scoring record and scoring record for a half. The team they were playing was over matched and they knew that this was something they could go for.

[Young Drachma]

Apparently this was planned as the announcer mentioned it at the start of the game. They were trying to break both the individual scoring record and scoring record for a half. The team they were playing was over matched and they knew that this was something they could go for.

They were trying to break the D3 record that they set last year, not the all-time NCAA record. That just happened because dude had a relatively hot hand.

[heybrad]

Overheard in the Grinnell huddle.

"Hey Jack... pass the ball man. I'm open."

[lungs]

My sister went to Grinnell back in the late 90's so I've always followed their basketball team with some interest. The funny part is that once the opposing team penetrates the ball deep enough they just let them score a layup so as to not slow things down.

[BYU 14]

Apparently this was planned as the announcer mentioned it at the start of the game. They were trying to break both the individual scoring record and scoring record for a half. The team they were playing was over matched and they knew that this was something they could go for.

Interesting to say the least...

[Passacaglia]

A year since the previous Grinnell scoring record was broken, you mean.

He put up 138 points on 52/108 shooting, 27/71 from 3. That's 1.28 PPS, which isn't remarkable in itself for a one-game performance. But it's great over 108 shots, particularly coming in the course of one game.

Single-game records are usually aberrational, anyway. So Taylor plays in a hurry-up system and was fed the ball after scoring 58 in the first half. Why rain on a kid's parade?

So he shot 25/37 on 2-pointers, or 1.35 points per shot, and 27/71 on 3-pointers, or 1.14 points per shot. Seems like he could have scored even more if he didn't shoot so many threes.

[Toddzilla]

and he only played 36 minutes - he could have scored a lot more

[korme]

D-III Player's 138 Point-Game Is A Sham Record And Shouldn't Be Celebrated By Anyone (http://deadspin.com/5962514/?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)

[BishopMVP]

I don't like the scheduling tricks, but I'm sure their teammates were forcing the ball to Frank Selby or Wilt Chamberlain when they scored 100 points too. I mean, a week ago the Celtics were desperately trying to get Rondo up to 10 assists (and keep his streak alive) when they were down 20 in the 4th quarter.

[mckerney]

So he shot 25/37 on 2-pointers, or 1.35 points per shot, and 27/71 on 3-pointers, or 1.14 points per shot. Seems like he could have scored even more if he didn't shoot so many threes.

It's Grinnell, I don't think he's allowed to shoot fewer 3s.

[stevew]

I'm pretty sure my original college was in that NCCAA division 2. It's basically basketball on the level of good high school teams.

[Groundhog]

I don't like the scheduling tricks, but I'm sure their teammates were forcing the ball to Frank Selby or Wilt Chamberlain when they scored 100 points too. I mean, a week ago the Celtics were desperately trying to get Rondo up to 10 assists (and keep his streak alive) when they were down 20 in the 4th quarter.

After reading korme's link, it's a lot worse than that. Letting the other team score just to get the ball back quicker? Having the person who they are trying to get the record for not run back on D and, after rebounding his misses, passing it back out to him all game to try again, sometimes 3 or 4 times in a single possession despite having an open shot? We're not even talking about a competitive game of basketball here, we're talking about two teams going out with nothing more than setting records in mind from the opening tip.

[mckerney]

After reading korme's link, it's a lot worse than that. Letting the other team score just to get the ball back quicker?

That's not something Grinnell just did for this game though, that's been their entire gameplan for years.

[DougW]

SEVENTY ONE 3 point attempts ? WTF

edit .. I can't imagine that. Even in a video game. Hell, I have a 3 point specialist in NBA 2k13, and he clicks at around 55% (wish I could adjust sliders in My Career), and I feel REALLY bad if I launch more than a dozen.

[Groundhog]

That's not something Grinnell just did for this game though, that's been their entire gameplan for years.

Sure, that one aspect of the 'gameplan'. I'm guessing they don't have a guy shoot 70 3s against a division 3 opponent while grabbing offensive rebound after offensive rebound and dumping it back out to him. I can't imagine that would lead to many wins if they did.

[korme]

Sometimes when they are up like that they will sub in all freshman and intentionally foul so no time runs off the clock and they can get the ball back for another possession.

That's not basketball. It's cheap

[Pumpy Tudors]

Sorry, I just don't see what the problem is. This is the way Grinnell plays. Players know what they're getting into when they join the program, opponents know exactly what to expect, and it's not even like it's unstoppable. For at least the last 11 years (probably longer), 59% to 66% of Grinnell's field goal attempts are 3-pointers. The team takes about 90 shots a game. This isn't new. I guess the only difference and the reason that people are upset is because they funneled their entire offense through one guy for a game? A game that was an exhibition for the opposition anyway? Grinnell was going to win the game no matter what.

I guess I'm trying to see the issue. Was the 138 points not "legitimate" enough? When does a player's point total for a 40-minute game become too many? Is 50 too many? 60? 70? The guy scored 138 points and actually had to make shots to do it. It's not like he dunked the ball 69 times.

Of course, I watch Arena football, so I'm not offended by high scores.

[BishopMVP]

Sure, that one aspect of the 'gameplan'. I'm guessing they don't have a guy shoot 70 3s against a division 3 opponent while grabbing offensive rebound after offensive rebound and dumping it back out to him. I can't imagine that would lead to many wins if they did.Well, he scored 138 points, not all 179, so I'm not sure I'm ready to take the assertion that they were passing up open layups to get him the ball at face value.

[JonInMiddleGA]

A game that was an exhibition for the opposition anyway?

If it was an exhibition then this shouldn't even be in the discussion as any sort of record at all.

[stevew]

The box score was bizarre. The other school had like 49 turnovers. Despite making 52 shots, only 22 were assisted.

[Young Drachma]

If it was an exhibition then this shouldn't even be in the discussion as any sort of record at all.

It was counted as an exhibition for Faith Baptist Bible who are members of the NCCAA (National Christian) not the NCAA. Grinnell counted it as a regular game, but that's no different than when D1 teams count games against D2s or when D2s will play a D3 or NAIA. So the only thing odd is that dude went off for 138 in a gimmick offense.

The box score was bizarre. The other school had like 49 turnovers. Despite making 52 shots, only 22 were assisted.

I watched a good part of the replay of the game off the Grinnell site and lemme tell you, it was painful to watch. But then, they're not even a D1 school in the NCCAA, they're a D2 school playing in that association meaning the guys on that team were probably not good enough to beat the JV team at any remotely respectable high school.

Here's their roster. (http://www.fbbceagles.com/sports/mbkb/2012-13/roster) Their tallest guy is 6'4" (they have 3 guys at 6'4") whereas Grinnell carries a deep bench (http://pioneers.grinnell.edu/roster.aspx?path=mbball) and has a few guys who are taller than that, though what you see here isn't atypical for most average D3 programs. Top programs will have an actual big or two though.

[Blackadar]

If I had been coach of (or a player on) the other team, I'd have roughed up Taylor. Kick his feet every time he leaves the ground, double team him, elbow him, etc. In other words, you might beat us, but you're not going to embarrass us by setting some bullshit record.

[stevew]

It's a baptist church school. Something tells me the coach would get fired for rough play.

[Young Drachma]

If I had been coach of (or a player on) the other team, I'd have roughed up Taylor. Kick his feet every time he leaves the ground, double team him, elbow him, etc. In other words, you might beat us, but you're not going to embarrass us by setting some bullshit record.

If you look at the FBBC website and athletics, they advertise the school record their kid broke. I imagine they get beat pretty regularly, it's just this time they were a footnote to history. This isn't exactly big-time college basketball, we're talking "something for the kids to do when they're not doing homework." Or more cynically "a reason for them to choose our school and pay full tuition."

That's the soup de jour at a lot of D3s (not Grinnell, one of the best liberal arts colleges in the country) but it surely is at the sub-D3 level outside of the schools giving kids partial rides.

Apparently NCCAA Division 2 schools are non-scholarship like NCAA D3 schools and so..none of those kids are on scholarship.

[Alf]

#32 just set the NCAA record for threes hit in his face. Seriously bad defense.

Exactly what I thought. At some point #32 should have stated to see that the guy was scoring :)

[JonInMiddleGA]

It's a baptist church school. Something tells me the coach would get fired for rough play.

I suspect you may not know too many of those schools ;)

(at the HS level here similar institutions are notoriously competitive & some of the most outright blatantly dirty you'll ever see)

[Buccaneer]

If I had been coach of (or a player on) the other team, I'd have roughed up Taylor. Kick his feet every time he leaves the ground, double team him, elbow him, etc. In other words, you might beat us, but you're not going to embarrass us by setting some bullshit record.

Over the years, I have loved a lot of your posts, esp. about games. But this is truly the worst thing I have read from you. Do you really think that in the greater scheme of things, it's really that important to warrant purposely committing violence against another player? Maybe the coach and players of FBB are the true heroes in this.

[Groundhog]

If I had been coach of (or a player on) the other team, I'd have roughed up Taylor. Kick his feet every time he leaves the ground, double team him, elbow him, etc. In other words, you might beat us, but you're not going to embarrass us by setting some bullshit record.

Thing is, they knew exactly what was happening. The whole point of this game was even before the opening tip was for Grinnell to set a BS record.

[molson]

Thing is, they knew exactly what was happening. The whole point of this game was even before the opening tip was for Grinnell to set a BS record.

Right, when Young Drachma said that "THEY were trying to break the D3 record that they set last year", that "they" clearly included the other team. I bet a football RB could set all kinds of crazy records if he got the ball on every play and the defense was OK with him scoring a ton of TDs and didn't try to stop it. I guess there can be something fun about that, but it's clearly not an impressive individual record, it's more of something crazy that happens if the stars align and you have they right system and a compliant opponent.