NFL Division Playoff Round Thread

[kcchief19]

What a start to this game. 14-7 Ravens five minutes in. Grab your popcorn.

[MizzouRah]

Get Some!!! Let's go RAVENS!

[kcchief19]

Are the Broncos going to learn that Peyton Manning is not necessarily a cold-weather QB? Gumbel and Dierdorf making a big deal of Manning wear gloves on both hands and Flacco no gloves, then Flacco throws a bomb and Manning the pick-6.

That throw by Flacco was one of the best Madden-esque TD passes I've ever seen in real life. Tory Smith had to hit the right trigger to get that ball and catches it in stride at full speed. Beautiful.

[Abe Sargent]

Lol we both saw that there was no thread and made one at the same time

[kcchief19]

LOL! I was surprised there wasn't one. I search the main page and one page back to see if someone started one earlier and I missed it.

[Scoobz0202]

That was a beautiful throw and catch. Niiice

[kcchief19]

I think we all expected this game to end up in the 56-53 range, right?

[Desnudo]

Punting on 4th and 2 :p

[Desnudo]

Denver dodging some bullets

[Scoobz0202]

Denver dodging some bullets

Bailey is getting worked. Flacco just missing.

[BillJasper]

Bailey either needs to be bumping Smith or playing off the ball because Smith is running by him.

[Desnudo]

I think Baltimore will regret missing those two chances

[MizzouRah]

You cannot give Manning the time he's getting.

[BillJasper]

Flacco looks like someone shot his dog.

[Desnudo]

Nice catch!

[Abe Sargent]

What a catch by Smith

[Glengoyne]

What a catch by Smith

Aided by a nifty little push off.

That said they've been letting light contact go on both sides of the ball for both teams. It is almost like they have orders to swallow the whistle and take away the regular season strategy of throwing it up looking for the forty yard PI call.

[Abe Sargent]

Wowowowowowow

[Abe Sargent]

This game is everything last week's games weren;t If it continues this weekend, this may be a great weekend o' football

[StLee]

LSU! LSU! LSU!

[Glengoyne]

Whoa. That is a heck of a game from a guy I don't think I'd heard before.

[cschex]

LSU! LSU! LSU!

Between that and Hester picking up a 1st on a 4th and 1 I'm having lovely 2007 flashbacks here.

[kcchief19]

Another kick return by Holliday ... holy cow.

Flacco is making big plays. I heard a Baltimore reporter covering the team on KC radio this week. He said this game and the rest of the post season was going to go a long way toward the Ravens determining whether to resign Flacco long term or franchise him and give him one more year to prove himself. He's made me a believer. He's not going to be Brady, Manning or Rodgers, but he can be on that next tier.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Umm ... I don't think I'd kick to that guy again.

[cthomer5000]

I just wonder in general if Peyton having so much leeway with audibles and stuff over the years hasn't lead to him tending to over-think things come playoff time. I just feel like with the increased pressure he never seems to be at 100% in the playoffs.

[Scoobz0202]

Just what this game needed. Some tuck rule.

[Abe Sargent]

One side has their special teams keeping them in teh game. The other side has Peyton Manning keeping them in theirs.

[MizzouRah]

Duh.. that's who you need to hand it off to.

[tucker rocky]

Surprised Baltimore didn't pull one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fumble

[Abe Sargent]

Flacco outplaying Manning easily rght now

[dubb93]

Flacco outplaying Manning easily rght now

I really don't think that is true. I'd look at first downs and total plays and say I think Manning is playing the better game(And Flacco should actually have a huge advantage in both of these with Denver losing two positions to special teams TDs.)

Flacco also benefitted greatly from Smith making Bailey look silly for an entire half and that actually accounts for over half of his total yards. Flacco STILL hasn't hit 200 yards at this point. And how many times did Flacco miss Smith while he was open?

I really don't get all the negative crap Manning gets.

[Izulde]

Flacco outplaying Manning easily rght now

Not seeing that at all.

[AlexB]

I used to think Manning was overrated (thought he was very good, but not as great as he was made out to be). What he has done to transform this Denver side has made me change my mind: to paraphase Adrian Durham - he is all that.

[Danny]

And the int was no a dropped pass on a well thrown ball

[mauchow]

Definitely a fun game. You gotta think the nightcap will be the same.

[Desnudo]

Ravens keep making mental mistakes

[Desnudo]

I used to think Manning was overrated (thought he was very good, but not as great as he was made out to be). What he has done to transform this Denver side has made me change my mind: to paraphase Adrian Durham - he is all that.

He's also doing it with the whitest receiving corp since the 50s. The timberwolves would be proud.

[frnk55]

Time to BOMB IT!!!!!!!!!!

[frnk55]

HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IlliniCub]

WOW!!!!!!!!!

[Abe Sargent]

HOLY CRAPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

[Julio Riddols]

Holy whoa wow!

[kingfc22]

LMAO!!! HAHAHA

[DougW]

How does that happen is a great question !! WOW !!

[Danny]

Wow was that awful

[Abe Sargent]

Del Rio is going to kill someone tonight

[Julio Riddols]

But that gives Manning 30 seconds and 2 time outs....

[JonInMiddleGA]

You have GOT to be f'n kidding me.

[Suburban Rhythm]

How do you allow anyone behind you? I can't grasp that AT ALL!

[StLee]

Wow!!!

[Matthean]

Brady has to be dying to play against this defense.

[tucker rocky]

Denver has the #2 defense in the league?

[DougW]

How do you allow anyone behind you? I can't grasp that AT ALL!

Frealz.

[stevew]

Are you kidding me. What the hell Denver.

[kingfc22]

Not even going to take a shot with two timeouts???

[Danny]

Fox is way too conservative

[mauchow]

Weak.

[frnk55]

That was dumb Denver. I don't get it.

[tucker rocky]

This gets a nomination for game of the year, maybe.

[DougW]

Denver has the #2 defense in the league?

Cut 'em some slack, after all they ARE playing against the vaunted Bal... uh wait, nevermind.


A knee ??

Huh ?

A knee ??

[Julio Riddols]

Wow, a kneeldown. They're that scared of the Ravens D?

[RedKingGold]

John Fox is a pussy.

[AlexB]

Dan Dierdorf is to subtlety what a sledgehammer is to a walnut, but he's right on the Denver safety. That was piss poor.

[cthomer5000]

that safety needs to be cut before overtime starts

[IlliniCub]

Does he realize Tebow isn't his QB anymore....it's ok to take a shot

[Desnudo]

Fox is way too conservative

Especially with his qb. That's manning's bread and butter.

[stevew]

How do you allow anyone behind you? I can't grasp that AT ALL!

Ike Taylor in disguise?

[Glengoyne]

My wife just laughed because I cried out..."Oh God that was abysmal"

[JonInMiddleGA]

Aaaaaand we just crossed officially into "Denver deserves to lose this game" territory.

Clueless, followed by gutless.

[Danny]

I bet Baltimore scores a td and manning doesn't even get a chance to win it. There is no reason that should not have gone for a drive at the end there

[TLK]

Why on earth not try something.... anything in that situation?

[DougW]

Aaaaaand we just crossed officially into "Denver deserves to lose this game" territory.

Clueless, followed by gutless.

True dat.

And, No Way was Ray missing on that coin toss !

[hoopsguy]

Aaaaaand we just crossed officially into "Denver deserves to lose this game" territory.

Clueless, followed by gutless.

I would say gutless (not letting Manning have a shot on 3rd down coming out of two minute warning), clueless, and gutless.

I'm pretty sure that Easterbrook will have thoughts on this in his next column. Something along the lines of

BAW-BAW-BAWK!

[EagleFan]

I can't begin to comprehend that decision. They officially do deserve to lose now.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I guess we've just seen a Fox turn into a Chicken.

[IlliniCub]

I bet that decision just absolutely killed Manning

[spleen1015]

Fuck you John Fox. He did the same thing at the end of both halves.

[Glengoyne]

Brady has to be dying to play against this defense.


I'm sure he has fond memories of last Year.

[Julio Riddols]

That didn't look good.

[EagleFan]

I bet Baltimore scores a td and manning doesn't even get a chance to win it. There is no reason that should not have gone for a drive at the end there

I know. Someone called and I had just finished saying "I'll call you right back I want to see this." and then they kneel down... WTF?!?!?

[EagleFan]

I bet that decision just absolutely killed Manning

Wouldn't an audible have been great right about then? ;)

[Glengoyne]

Seriously flacco threw that TD with all of the finesse and beauty of a punt, and denver's secondary couldn't react in time. They can't be looking forward to running back out for this series in OT.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Ike Taylor in disguise?

Ike on Torrey Smith, Torrey Smith had 1 catch. Champ Bailey must've been kicked out of Swaggin U.

[StLee]

I have Knowshon Moreno in a postseason fantasy league. Was he injured? I missed most of the second half because I needed to take my kid to the doctor.

[Danny]

I think that was a bad ruling

[Danny]

Yes Moreno out with knee injury

[bulletsponge]

god i hate dan dierdorf

[Easy Mac]

These refs are atrocious.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I think that was a bad ruling

Agree. What bothers me on those calls isn't so much if they feel it's inconclusive. But when you say things like he had the ball pinned, and the replay shows it spinning, I question what he watched.

[Glengoyne]

I am perfectly happy with that ruling...I was no fan of the zero tolerance era regarding the ball touching the ground.

Dierdorf seems to think we're still there though.

[hoopsguy]

I really don't get Joe Flacco - the disparity between his good/bad performances is just enormous, and if he is capable of those kind of "good" performances then you would have expected to see growth towards softening the bad and more frequently approaching the good over the past couple of years.

You look at what he's done in this game, in the AFC title game last year (both on road), and it is hard to fathom that this guy is such a total boob 6-8 times a year during the regular season.

[AlexB]

That was never PI

[Easy Mac]

Have the refs been this bad all year? I watch Red Zone and never really see anything but scoring plays.

[bulletsponge]

time to grow some balls and do a fake punt, nobody would be expecting it

[Suburban Rhythm]

I really don't get Joe Flacco - the disparity between his good/bad performances is just enormous, and if he is capable of those kind of "good" performances then you would have expected to see growth towards softening the bad and more frequently approaching the good over the past couple of years.

You look at what he's done in this game, in the AFC title game last year (both on road), and it is hard to fathom that this guy is such a total boob 6-8 times a year during the regular season.

...and who appears at the worst possible time? Can't take a sack there.

[heybrad]

Dan Dierdorf... "Well... they could run or pass here."

Brilliant analysis!

[AlexB]

To be fair you can't throw an INT either

[stevew]

Ike on Torrey Smith, Torrey Smith had 1 catch. Champ Bailey must've been kicked out of Swaggin U.

Ike Taylor of Demarius Thomas

[Glengoyne]

I think that was bad Flacco rearing his head.

No body is open pull that one down and run for the first down.

[kingfc22]

Let's go Niners!!!

Can J. Smith be effective?
Will Kaep protect the ball?
Will Akers blow it?

[sabotai]

Looks like a great catch by Stokley to me.

[mauchow]

That is more of a catch than the one they called a catch five minutes ago.

Definitely a catch imo.

[dubb93]

If it was a catch the other way this has to be a catch.

[StLee]

Do you mean to tell me the NFL doesn't plan for overtime where they are playing the only two games at the same time? Why?

[AlexB]

TV

[JonInMiddleGA]

TV

Ding Ding Ding

[kingfc22]

Well...that answers question #2

Damn

[Danny]

What a bad play call

[Radii]

This is bringing up memories of John Fox losing games with his far too conservative play calling in Carolina. I had worked hard to repress those.

[dubb93]

I said all year after they benched Smith that karma would dictate that if you bench the guy who doesn't turn it over you will lose in the playoffs when his replacement turns it over.

[cmp]

Too bad Alex Smith isn't playing

[cmp]

I want to see the Niners lose only because of the QB change

[Glengoyne]

Let's go Niners!!!

Can J. Smith be effective?
Will Kaep protect the ball?
Will Akers blow it?


No on two.

[hoopsguy]

Hmm, looking at the last Manning throw and the play calling by the Broncos there - wonder if he might have gotten dinged up somewhere in the 4th quarter?

Probably not the case; Fox being Fox seems more plausible.

[Abe Sargent]

Wow nice catch

[bulletsponge]

why dont balt throw deep more often?

[hoopsguy]

Hard to believe Tony Carter (Denver S) wasn't in position to make a play on that last pass ...

[DougW]

Wow. Was about to say what a boob Flacco has been, and - GREAT pass.

[Thomkal]

This is bringing up memories of John Fox losing games with his far too conservative play calling in Carolina. I had worked hard to repress those.

Exactly what I was going to say after the game was over. John Fox needs to be reminded that his QB is Peyton Manning not Jake Delhomme. How can you not let him try a pass on 3rd and 7 when a first down gives you the win? Instead you hand it off to a backup RB and let him run up the middle? Then let the clock run out to send the game to OT instead of letting Manning try to win the game? Vintage John Fox.

[Abe Sargent]

i don't understand why we add 15 minutes in OT session in the playoffs, since it can;t end in a tie, what matter is it?

[Glengoyne]

Wow I really thought that flacco over threw Pitta there.

[AlexB]

Change of ends, in case of wind, etc

[sabotai]

How many times are the Broncos almost going to intercept the ball before they actually do. I think that's the 3rd close call in OT for Flacco so far.

[kingfc22]

Nice play by Kaep to get it into the RZ. Need a TD here.

[Abe Sargent]

No Holiday on that return for Denver

[heybrad]

Way to run backwards!!!

[Bobble]

i don't understand why we add 15 minutes in OT session in the playoffs, since it can;t end in a tie, what matter is it?

In case wind/weather is a factor. After 15 minutes, you switch ends and the other guys gets the advantage.

[tucker rocky]

This Balt/Den game bringing back memories of:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_in_Miami

[Abe Sargent]

Change of ends, in case of wind, etc

I didn't think of that, good point

[Izulde]

I hope the 49ers lose just so Kaepernick loses.

[Abe Sargent]

I hope the 49ers lose just so Kaepernick loses.

+1


But I don't really want the Pack to win either

[kingfc22]

Punters coming up huge in OT

[kingfc22]

TD Kaepernick!!!

And that in a nutshell is why he is at QB.

[Abe Sargent]

Pick by Baltimore baby!

[Abe Sargent]

Manning 3rd TO i beleive

[bulletsponge]

int

[Izulde]

This is the game that never ends my friend.

[Danny]

Now that was a bad mistake

[kingfc22]

Pick by Baltimore baby!

Woot!

[kingfc22]

Great play by the o-lineman.

[Abe Sargent]

Uh oh, 1st down by Rice

[Abe Sargent]

Denvers' in danger.......;)

[Abe Sargent]

Has any plaoyoff game ever gone into OT and then made it out of the first period?

[AlexB]

Change of ends helps Baltimore: have the wind now too

[kingfc22]

Glad to see the refs are going to let Jennings headbutt guys with no flags.

[Radii]

Has any plaoyoff game ever gone into OT and then made it out of the first period?

Carolina/St Louis in 2003 ended on the first play of double OT IIRC.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Has any plaoyoff game ever gone into OT and then made it out of the first period?

Yes.;)

[hoopsguy]

Suspect this will be all Rice before setting up 45-50 yard field goal.

[Suburban Rhythm]

Tucker has to miss this...just to have this mess continue.

[kingfc22]

#52 will live to see another day!

[Abe Sargent]

FG BABABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Julio Riddols]

Well, I think we can all agree they got what they deserved. Amazing.

[Abe Sargent]

Shocked Fox did not ICe him

[tucker rocky]

Ravens redeem themselves for last years playoff FG miss.

[Lathum]

This is why I wid take Eli over Peyton any day

[StLee]

There goes my money...

[Glengoyne]

Tebow's curse.

[bulletsponge]

Tebow would have won that game.

[DougW]

Ray isn't done quite yet.

[Abe Sargent]

Tebow would have won that game.

For the Ravens!

[spleen1015]

This is why I wid take Eli over Peyton any day

Yeah, I like my team being out of the playoffs, too.

[MIJB#19]

Incredible game.

[Lathum]

Yeah, I like my team being out of the playoffs, too.

2-1

That is all.

[spleen1015]

2-1

That is all.

I know man. Eli won those games all by himself.

[Abe Sargent]

Radny Moss show?

[Lathum]

I know man. Eli won those games all by himself.

He certainly didn't lose them the way Peyton did.

[Abe Sargent]

Peyton Manning may be the best reular season QB of all tim eand yet one of the worst ones in the playoffs after arriving there

[Scoobz0202]

This is why I wid take Eli over Peyton any day

You would without hesitation take Eli over one of the greatest QBs of all-time?

[dubb93]

Quit feeding the troll and watch football.

[Abe Sargent]

I would, now, take Eli over Peyton. He just starts shitting the ball everywhere in the playoffs.


EDIT - You can;t blame this loss on teh Colts or the coaching or anything the Broncos were a great team before he arrived, and he got a few more wins in the regular season against a weaker division, but did no better in the playoffs.

[chadritt]

He certainly didn't lose them the way Peyton did.

They had Peyton playing defense at the end of regulation and HE missed on the touchdown? Thats some awful coaching if thats true.

[Jon]

I have a friend who insists the Broncos should've taken Tebow over Peyton.

[Lathum]

You would without hesitation take Eli over one of the greatest QBs of all-time?

Yup. I want to win playoff games. Not put up big regular season stats.

[cmp]

Not a chance in hell I'd take Eli over Peyton

[rowech]

They had Peyton playing defense at the end of regulation and HE missed on the touchdown? Thats some awful coaching if thats true.

Somebody needs to keep an eye on that guy because that one is going tube tough to live with.

[Abe Sargent]

They had Peyton playing defense at the end of regulation and HE missed on the touchdown? Thats some awful coaching if thats true.

The Ravens spotted the Broncs two touchdowns via special teams and if Peyton doesn;t have three turnovers including a pick six, that's game for the Broncos. Today, Kyle Orrton would have won with the Broncos.

[spleen1015]

Let's be real, Lathum. Regardless of which Manning is on your team, you have to dog the other one just to make yours look like the better one in your mind.

[Scoobz0202]

I would, now, take Eli over Peyton. He just starts shitting the ball everywhere in the playoffs.


EDIT - You can;t blame this loss on teh Colts or the coaching or anything the Broncos were a great team before he arrived, and he got a few more wins in the regular season against a weaker division, but did no better in the playoffs.

The last time he was in the playoffs he played great?

[Scoobz0202]

Yup. I want to win playoff games. Not put up big regular season stats.

Eli did neither this season.

[Abe Sargent]

Let's not forget that Eli out won against the best playoff Q Bof our era twice in the Super Bowl and Manning in the duel of the chokers managed to win against McNabb/ Let's also not forget that in Manning's SB winning year he did his normal suck job but his defense bailed him out.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Somebody needs to keep an eye on that guy because that one is going tube tough to live with.

If you want to protect that DB, you might want to keep an eye on Jack Del Rio ;)

[dubb93]

They gave up 161 yards in touchdown passes. Peyton had an interception ran back for a touchdown that hit his receiver in the hands. He picked up nine more first downs with two less possessions. He was more efficient on third down.

He made a couple of legit mistakes, but clearly this can only mean one thing.

ZOMFG!!!!! ORTON WOULD HAVE ONE THIS GAME!!!! FIRE MANNING, HE'S A BUM!

[Jas_lov]

I'd take Rodgers over both Mannings. Great drive there. This one will be a shootout.

[Lathum]

Quit feeding the troll and watch football.

Why would you call me a troll. I think it is a legitimate way to discuss Peyton's playoff performance.

[dubb93]

The Ravens spotted the Broncs two touchdowns via special teams and if Peyton doesn;t have three turnovers including a pick six, that's game for the Broncos. Today, Kyle Orrton would have won with the Broncos.

I literally just called it.

[stevew]

Fuck the cunty ass loseriffic Broncos who tanked my playoff fantasy entry by not playing a deep goddamn fucking safety and getting "Santana Moss'd" deep on a play that had no business working in an NFL game.

[cmp]

I would however take Trent Dilfer over Eli and Peyton

[Abe Sargent]

Eli did neither this season.

I'd rather have Eli than Peyton now, since there is no excuse for this game's loss save for Mannings sucky play. Want your defense not to gie up a big touchdown late? Don;t throw a pick six. Down turn the ball over. Score once in a 15 minute overtime period.

[dubb93]

Why would you call me a troll. I think it is a legitimate way to discuss Peyton's playoff performance.

Lathum, we all know by now that you can't discuss Giants players with you. Any discussion involving Eli Manning with you isn't going to end in anything but a giant fight.

[Danny]

The Ravens spotted the Broncs two touchdowns via special teams and if Peyton doesn;t have three turnovers including a pick six, that's game for the Broncos. Today, Kyle Orrton would have won with the Broncos.

But you don't actually watch the games you just get yet alerts for every manning turnover. The pick 6 was not at all mannings fault. The broncos lost for a quite a few reasons one of which was that last int. but tebow, Orton etc are in there and Denver loses in regulation

[Abe Sargent]

I would however take Trent Dilfer over Eli and Peyton

Wow, i thought we wer talking about prom dates in another thread




;)

[MIJB#19]

Way too much talk about somebody that isn't in the playoffs at the moment and way too little talk about the game that's going on right now. What's next, bringing back the Jets QB controversy for debate? ;)

[Jas_lov]

Glad to see the refs are going to let Jennings headbutt guys with no flags.

They also called a blatant facemask against SF and then picked up the flag for no reason. Let's just hope these refs are better than the ones in the Baltimore-Denver game.

[Lathum]

Lathum, we all know by now that you can't discuss Giants players with you. Any discussion involving Eli Manning with you isn't going to end in anything but a giant fight.

Doesn't make me a troll.

[Abe Sargent]

But you don't actually watch the games you just get yet alerts for every manning turnover. The pick 6 was not at all mannings fault. The broncos lost for a quite a few reasons one of which was that last int. but tebow, Orton etc are in there and Denver loses in regulation

I watched the whole game. I watched him toss three TD passes. I watched Flacco be the better QB on teh day, and that's sad for your "elite-status" when that happens. This is the last straw, the final minute, and the game is done. The Broncos were better than this, and they outplayed the Ravens in special teams massively, and Manning had the offense to outduel the Ravens but simply could not.

[Abe Sargent]

Way too much talk about somebody that isn't in the playoffs at the moment and way too little talk about the game that's going on right now. What's next, bringing back the Jets QB controversy for debate? ;)

What controversy? Tebow is gone... :) Essentially

[Scoobz0202]

I'd rather have Eli than Peyton now, since there is no excuse for this game's loss save for Mannings sucky play. Want your defense not to gie up a big touchdown late? Don;t throw a pick six. Down turn the ball over. Score once in a 15 minute overtime period.

So, Eli beat one of the best playoff QBs of our era but when Peyton won it was because of the defense? Peyton Manning, of all those years with the Colts D, is not allowed to put it on the defense for why he only has one ring but when they win. ..

Edit: quoted the wrong post but on my phone so fuck fixing it

[dubb93]

Doesn't make me a troll.

OK Lathum, I'm sorry, homer? That more fitting?

[cmp]

Peyton won because of his defense? Colts had a terrible D for years. He would have another ring or two with a solid D in Indy

[Abe Sargent]

So, Eli beat one of the best playoff QBs of our era but when Peyton won it was because of the defense? Peyton Manning, of all those years with the Colts D, is not allowed to put it on the defense for why he only has one ring but when they win. ..

Eli cameup big and kinda was exposed too. Peyton;s numbers were just as bad in the SB run as normal, but the defense really came alive and stopped people to allow the win - Where has Manning been when his defenses can;t do that? When the game needs to be won on the shoulder of the "consensus best QB of the era" where is he in the playoffs and Super Bowl time? Sure, the occasional win early in the playoffs, but invariably he sucks it up.

[cmp]

Is it also Peyton's fault Denver gave up that prayer from Flacco for a TD in the 4th?

[jbergey22]

I watched the whole game. I watched him toss three TD passes. I watched Flacco be the better QB on teh day, and that's sad for your "elite-status" when that happens. This is the last straw, the final minute, and the game is done. The Broncos were better than this, and they outplayed the Ravens in special teams massively, and Manning had the offense to outduel the Ravens but simply could not.


Lets shit on a MVP season and one of the most remarkable comeback stories in NFL history because of a few bad plays. His team put up 35 points in a playoff game. That wins in the playoffs, what 99 percent of the time?

[kingfc22]

Do not settle for a FG here

[kingfc22]

Yes! Crabtree and Kaep strike again

[jbergey22]

This is on schedule for another great game today.

[Jas_lov]

3rd and goal from the 14 and they let the guy walk in. Who are they, the Broncos? Rodgers is going to have to win this.

[Abe Sargent]

Basically, i ask, what does it mean when the "consensus best quarterbacks" in the top two or three of this era can;t get more than one SB win. Is is because his team isn;t that loaded with atlent, a la Marino? It could be, but players like Dwight Freeney, Marvin Harrison, Ed James, Bob Sanders, and Reggie Wayne might make an argument that the Colts had the talent to make the SB every year. Is it bad coaching? Is is just bad luck?


Now he had the chance to go deep with the #1 spot with a very good Denver team, and he just Peytoned the ball three times to the defense and lost. Again.



So, i think we need to redefine Manning;s status. Best QB oif this era is Brady, let's just stop any argument that P. Manning iis in the question. Quarterbacks like Brees who have just as many regular season accolades as Manning and one ring as well move up, and a QB like E Manning move sup, because he's won two rings. Barring some miracle SB run inthe next year or two, in my opinion, P Manning has been dropped from the argument of the #1 or #2 spot to the #4 or 5 spot onf the las tdecade. All of the attack against him for having bad playoffs is coming back and getting more and more steam.

[Abe Sargent]

Lets shit on a MVP season and one of the most remarkable comeback stories in NFL history because of a few bad plays. His offense put up 21 points in a playoff game. That wins in the playoffs, what 40 percent of the time?

Fixed! ;)

[Scoobz0202]

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

[Abe Sargent]

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

Ugh. If that were me, I'd be roaring in my chair.

[rowech]

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

Yes. Beyond aggravating.

[Scoobz0202]

Basically, i ask, what does it mean when the "consensus best quarterbacks" in the top tNotwo or three of this era can;t get more than one SB win. Is is because his team isn;t that loaded with atlent, a la Marino? It could be, but players like Dwight Freeney, Marvin Harrison, Ed James, Bob Sanders, and Reggie Wayne might make an argument that the Colts had the talent to make the SB every year. Is it bad coaching? Is is just bad luck?


Now he had the chance to go deep with the #1 spot with a very good Denver team, and he just Peytoned the ball three times to the defense and lost. Again.



So, i think we need to redefine Manning;s status. Best QB oif this era is Brady, let's just stop any argument that P. Manning iis in the question. Quarterbacks like Brees who have just as many regular season accolades as Manning and one ring as well move up, and a QB like E Manning move sup, because he's won two rings. Barring some miracle SB run inthe next year or two, in my opinion, P Manning has been dropped from the argument of the #1 or #2 spot to the #4 or 5 spot onf the las tdecade. All of the attack against him for having bad playoffs is coming back and getting more and more steam.

We are so far from being on the same Page it isn't worth discussing. I'm not on the "rings define a player" team. Not even close. Any further discussion from me would further drag this thread Ddown and ultimately go nowhere.

[Scoobz0202]

Yes. Beyond aggravating.

I take it this is a region thing then huh

[Abe Sargent]

Pic k by 49ers

[jbergey22]

Basically, i ask, what does it mean when the "consensus best quarterbacks" in the top two or three of this era can;t get more than one SB win. Is is because his team isn;t that loaded with atlent, a la Marino? It could be, but players like Dwight Freeney, Marvin Harrison, Ed James, Bob Sanders, and Reggie Wayne might make an argument that the Colts had the talent to make the SB every year. Is it bad coaching? Is is just bad luck?


Now he had the chance to go deep with the #1 spot with a very good Denver team, and he just Peytoned the ball three times to the defense and lost. Again.



So, i think we need to redefine Manning;s status. Best QB oif this era is Brady, let's just stop any argument that P. Manning iis in the question. Quarterbacks like Brees who have just as many regular season accolades as Manning and one ring as well move up, and a QB like E Manning move sup, because he's won two rings. Barring some miracle SB run inthe next year or two, in my opinion, P Manning has been dropped from the argument of the #1 or #2 spot to the #4 or 5 spot onf the las tdecade. All of the attack against him for having bad playoffs is coming back and getting more and more steam.

I dont think the NFL sample size is large enough to judge NFL QBs and to put much sooooooo much weight on SB wins. Yes, Eli pulls some magic in the 4th quarter and playoffs often but what the hell is doing in the first half of some games and why are they fighting to even make the playoffs most years?

Peyton just happens to have some of his worst games in the playoffs. Is there a large enough sample size to say he chokes or could it be that he just picks really bad times to have his "off games?"

I think if you switched Brady and PManning around PManning would like have more super bowl wins than Brady.

[rowech]

Peyton is still number two and is there solidly. Brady is number one and really it's not even close anymore.

[kingfc22]

Yes! Keep the momentum going into the half.

[Abe Sargent]

We are so far from being on the same Page it isn't worth discussing. I'm not on the "rings define a player" team. Not even close. Any further discussion from me would further drag this thread Ddown and ultimately go nowhere.

kk!

[Radii]

Way too much talk about somebody that isn't in the playoffs at the moment and way too little talk about the game that's going on right now. What's next, bringing back the Jets QB controversy for debate? ;)

I want to talk about Rex Ryan's tattoos.

[rowech]

Direct TV is having technical difficulties on my Fox channel with a cute little notice saying "No need to call! We are aware of the service issue. " guhhhh

I take it this is a region thing then huh

Must be as I'm not seeing any other complaints. Some nights I can pick up the Cincy fox affiliate but no such luck tonight. The Dayton station isn't coming in off antenna either.

[Jas_lov]

Is it also Peyton's fault Denver gave up that prayer from Flacco for a TD in the 4th?

No, but the blame is always put on the QB if they lose. And these games always come down to a play here or there that it's not really fair. Is Eli a better QB than Brady because Eli beat Brady in two Superbowls? I don't think anybody would argue that. If Kaepernick beats Rodgers will people argue that Kaepernick is the better QB? It's the team that wins or loses so all this talk about Eli over Peyton is nonsense.

[jbergey22]

Colin is a nice QB. Like Cam Newton without the "attitude".

[kingfc22]

GB may want to cover Crabtree... TD BABY!!!

[Scoobz0202]

Must be as I'm not seeing any other complaints. Some nights I can pick up the Cincy fox affiliate but no such luck tonight. The Dayton station isn't coming in off antenna either.

To the internet streams I go

[RedKingGold]

Crabtree has finally developed, he's become the real deal.

[Abe Sargent]

Colin is the great what if of Jags. If we ha not moved up to draft Gabbert, and the trade agreement came in laste, then we were taking Colin in the 2nd if still on teh board as the next best QB onthe board there.


To be fair, the greatest what if is what if the Ravens and Vikings had not screwed up the trade to move above the Jags to take LEftwich. The best player left on the Jags board was Terrell Suggs, and then they would have taken their best QB on their board, Ben R next year in the top ten, and would have had Ben Roeth and Suggs instead of Leftwich and that bad 9th overall pick WR we took - williams.


i like thinking about those things too much probably

[kingfc22]

That's something you don't see every day...a Finley highlight catch.

[Abe Sargent]

And this game is tied again baby! Both games pretty good so far.....

[kingfc22]

Rodgers/Jones vs. Kaep/Crabtree duel setting up.

[jbergey22]

Hmmm, Rodgers and Colin looking sharp.

[tucker rocky]

We have excitement folks, unlike last week.

[cuervo72]

Somebody needs to keep an eye on that guy because that one is going tube tough to live with.

For whatever reason, this typo/autocorrect makes me chuckle. Tebow - TUBE TOUGH!

[Abe Sargent]

Tebow - TUBE TOUGH!



Ain;t that the truth

[rowech]

For whatever reason, this typo/autocorrect makes me chuckle. Tebow - TUBE TOUGH!

Since using my ipad more i am amazed at how auto correct and bad typing can come up with some crazy things.

[Buccaneer]

This is why I wid take Eli over Peyton any day

Will be interesting to see how he will do in this year's playoffs.

[Izulde]

Anybody who takes Eli over Peyton is a damned fool or a blind Giants homer.

[Buccaneer]

Peyton is still number two and is there solidly. Brady is number one and really it's not even close anymore.

Hasn't been close in a long time. My son told me this:
Brady 16-6 in playoffs. Peyton 6-9.
Brady 3 rings. Peyton 1 ring.

[Danny]

Peyton is 9-11 now but I can buy the Brady, the issue I have is saying someone like Eli is better

[Draft Dodger]

Must be as I'm not seeing any other complaints. Some nights I can pick up the Cincy fox affiliate but no such luck tonight. The Dayton station isn't coming in off antenna either.

I'm having trouble - audio is cutting out left and right. was wondering if it was just me but I guess not.

[RedKingGold]

At some point, the Packers are going to have to put a spy on Kapernick.

[kingfc22]

Kaep making big plays with his legs.

[kingfc22]

Gore is on the sidelines with no helmet per the SF beat writers...something to keep an eye on

[kingfc22]

Gore is on the sidelines with no helmet per the SF beat writers...something to keep an eye on

And just like that he is back in there. Nothing to see here.

[Abe Sargent]

Peyton is 9-11 now but I can buy the Brady, the issue I have is saying someone like Eli is better

I thought we had all agreed to not talk about it anymore :) Maybe it was just me and someone else. or something.



My final point. Knowing the career they would have going in, would you take Eli or Peyton in the top overall pick if they were in the same draft? Eli had two Super Bowls and may have more. Peyton had one, a bunch of MVP awards, and likely won;t have anymore Bowls. They have the exact same stats, game losses, career and so forth. Who do you take? Now, i take Eli. Having MVP trophies is sexy but you aren;t playing for that ultimately.

[Jas_lov]

Capers is a clown. The 9ers can just send their receivers deep, the pass rushers go up the field and Kaepernick runs right down the middle for 20 yards. That's happened 4 or 5 times and no adjustments have been made.

[jbergey22]

Hasn't been close in a long time. My son told me this:
Brady 16-6 in playoffs. Peyton 6-9.
Brady 3 rings. Peyton 1 ring.

I like the playoff records more as an argument than the rings. The 22 and 15 game sample size atleast eliminates some of the smoke.

I mean Terry Bradshaw by many is considered an all time great QB. When you look at his numbers you can only wonder why.

[kingfc22]

Kaep needs to find his other TE

[jbergey22]

I thought we had all agreed to not talk about it anymore :) Maybe it was just me and someone else. or something.



My final point. Knowing the career they would have going in, would you take Eli or Peyton in the top overall pick if they were in the same draft? Eli had two Super Bowls and may have more. Peyton had one, a bunch of MVP awards, and likely won;t have anymore Bowls. They have the exact same stats, game losses, career and so forth. Who do you take? Now, i take Eli. Having MVP trophies is sexy but you aren;t playing for that ultimately.

I take Peyton and find better players to put around him.

[Desnudo]

This is bringing up memories of John Fox losing games with his far too conservative play calling in Carolina. I had worked hard to repress those.

To be fair the Ravens were nearly as bad - they must have run up the middle on 90% of first downs and they left their kicker with a real tough kick at the end y not trying to move the ball.

I wonder if Manning's arm was dead at the end of the game. He hardly seemed to throw past 10-15 yards at all.

[Abe Sargent]

I take Peyton and find better players to put around him.

That's not how the premise works. They have the exact same career , same numbers, wins, losses, # of Bowls, etc. You know ahead of time that they will have the identical career to the one they had, no matter talent. Who do you choose, that;s the question.


I choose Eli