Here we go again - another shooting

[Kodos]

Lone Star College Shooting: Multiple People Shot At Texas College Campus (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/22/lone-star-college-shooting_n_2527806.html)

[cartman]

LSC has a ton of campuses in the Houston area.

[panerd]

Initial reports sound like a shootout between two idiots (with people in the crossfire) and not a mass shooter. Not saying initial reports are always correct but this doesn't look like a "here we go again". More like life in a major city sadly.

[BYU 14]

Agreed on initial reports comment. Will wait for a few hours for solid facts, but man this stuff is getting old.

[panerd]

Agreed on initial reports comment. Will wait for a few hours for solid facts, but man this stuff is getting old.

I think it is just getting more press because of Newtown and that it happened at a college but sadly shootings have been happening in our big cities for years and nobody cares. Here is "gun free" Chicago from over the summer wasn't even a thread about this one...

Violent night in Chicago: 19 shot between Thursday night and early Friday morning - Chicago Tribune (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-25/news/ct-met-chicago-overnight-shootings-20120825_1_shootings-wound-separate-shootings-chicago-police)

Does it suck? Sure. Does anyone really care? Probably not.

(Again if the initial reports are correct...)

[Matthean]

Oh good. I wasn't getting tired of the daily FB postings about gun control.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Oh good. I wasn't getting tired of the daily FB postings about gun control.
+1 i don't have fb but i do enjoy the debates. always civil and poignant

[stevew]

I appreciate how people respect each others viewpoints and nobody goes to extremes. The levity is a fresh breath of air.

[JediKooter]

And also this: Police: Las Vegas officer kills wife, son and then himself in burning home - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/22/justice/nevada-police-murder-suicide/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)

[molson]

On average there's about 35 murders a day in the U.S. (there used to be about 70 a day 20 years ago), so the media just has to decide which of those are newsworthy. Though I guess with social media and message boards the people have a little more say in that than they used to. Murders are more likely to be newsworthy, I guess, if they happen at a school, there's more than one victim, and the victims are white - or maybe suburban. It's not as newsworthy if it happens in an inner city, and/or victims are minorities.

[RainMaker]

I think anything that happens at a school is going to get coverage. And anything that involves innocent victims.

[molson]

I think anything that happens at a school is going to get coverage. And anything that involves innocent victims.

Ya, whether the victims are innocent is a big one (with the exception of domestic violence murders not getting a ton of media unless there's a celebrity or some kind of mystery involved.)

[RainMaker]

In Chicago the gang shootings don't get much coverage. They usually just give the generic "4 people killed in overnight shootings". But when a stray bullet gets a 9 year old on her way to school, it's big news, regardless of race.

[BYU 14]

I think it is just getting more press because of Newtown and that it happened at a college but sadly shootings have been happening in our big cities for years and nobody cares. Here is "gun free" Chicago from over the summer wasn't even a thread about this one...

Violent night in Chicago: 19 shot between Thursday night and early Friday morning - Chicago Tribune (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-25/news/ct-met-chicago-overnight-shootings-20120825_1_shootings-wound-separate-shootings-chicago-police)

Does it suck? Sure. Does anyone really care? Probably not.

(Again if the initial reports are correct...)

Totally agree and Chicago is a fricking war zone, but as you state nobody cares as the shootings in Chicago are heavily gang related and (not saying I think this way) many couldn't care less since it is bangers shooting each other. I hate that any parent has to lose a child to violence of any kind.

Really makes you wonder if this would have even come out nationally if not on the heels of Newtown.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

University of Oklahoma campus put on lockdown after possible shooter reported.

[JonInMiddleGA]

University of Oklahoma campus put on lockdown after possible shooter reported.

No immediate reports of injuries and

Police are investigating reports of a shooting at the University of Oklahoma, but the school says no evidence has been found yet of shots being fired.

University of Oklahoma’s public information officer said normal campus operations have resumed except for Gould Hall.

[Solecismic]

Driving through the Chicago area the other day, I noticed that, according to multiple highway message boards, 1,002 people died in car crashes in 2013. Close to three deaths per day.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Driving through the Chicago area the other day, I noticed that, according to multiple highway message boards, 1,002 people died in car crashes in 2013. Close to three deaths per day.

Which looks to be about 40% fewer than you'd expect.

National average looks to be around 15 per 100k in population. Chicago metro area is at 9.52m, so give or take they'd have expected some 1,428 deaths on the area highways.

[Solecismic]

Wouldn't any analysis include an estimate on highway miles driven, which might be less in an area with decent public transportation options. The EL is fairly useful. Besides, most of the day, you can't even get up to ramming speed on 94.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looks like another stabbing this time. Milford, CT High School in lockdown.

Connecticut high school on lockdown after report of stabbing | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/25/connecticut-high-school-on-lockdown-after-report-stabbing/)

Edit: Just updated. Kids now being sent home. Sounds like only one person stabbed.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Prom-date denial investigated in school killing | www.ajc.com (http://www.ajc.com/news/news/prom-date-denial-investigated-school-killing/nfhgx/)

*This is in relation to the Milford, CT stabbing incident.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I'm not often left speechless but if the prom connection turns out to be accurate ... good Lord.

Other versions of the story I've seen since have more detail, including quotes from a witness who says the boy started strangling the girl after she declined his stairwell invitation, before then stabbing her to death.

The most bizarre part of the story -- perhaps -- is a note that mentions that school officials have postponed the prom which was "scheduled for Friday night" indefinitely. Surely that has to be worded badly & at least meant next Friday rather than tonight ... right?

[stevew]

no, it's horribly worded. Looks like the prom was tonight indeed.

I wonder why the kids there even had school today. We either had no school or at most a mini-half day on prom day IIRC.

[JonInMiddleGA]

no, it's horribly worded. Looks like the prom was tonight indeed.

I wonder why the kids there even had school today. We either had no school or at most a mini-half day on prom day IIRC.

I believe most (if not all) of the ones around here have normal school days on prom day now. Cuts down on the drunk-before-dark-thirty aspect of it.

[stevew]

How else were the ladies supposed to poof up their hairspray hair if they have less than 3 hours to get ready(it was the 90s)

[GrantDawg]

I believe most (if not all) of the ones around here have normal school days on prom day now. Cuts down on the drunk-before-dark-thirty aspect of it.


My daughter's prom was on Saturday.

[Comey]

I'm not often left speechless but if the prom connection turns out to be accurate ... good Lord.

Other versions of the story I've seen since have more detail, including quotes from a witness who says the boy started strangling the girl after she declined his stairwell invitation, before then stabbing her to death.

The most bizarre part of the story -- perhaps -- is a note that mentions that school officials have postponed the prom which was "scheduled for Friday night" indefinitely. Surely that has to be worded badly & at least meant next Friday rather than tonight ... right?

The prom was Friday night. At the vigil, many of her classmates dressed up for the prom (per the family's request). Her friends held her dress up for a picture.

Either we're getting too good at dealing with this kind of tragedy, or...I have no real alternative to the first part of that sentence. I used to live in New Haven, live only an hour from there now have many friends in Milford...this is kind of surreal. I just can't tell if this is happening much more frequently, or if the communal news cycle is just able to expose us to this all the time.

[JonInMiddleGA]

My daughter's prom was on Saturday.

I wonder if there's actually less all-day-party on Saturdays than Fridays since the parents are more likely to be home / in the way on Saturday?

[Warhammer]

I just can't tell if this is happening much more frequently, or if the continual news cycle is just able to expose us to this all the time.

I think there are a variety of factors at work:

1). The news cycle, for the reasons you indicated.

2). Kids not prepared to handle rejection and delayed gratification. Not sure when it started exactly, but most kids I have met have no idea what it means to save up for something. I knew some spoiled kids growing up, but it's much worse today.

3). Parents that do not parent. I don't know the parents involved in this case, but there are a ton of parents that do not get involved in their child's life. Most of the time when something like this happens, there are signs beforehand. It is the parents' responsibility to get help.

[judicial clerk]

Fwiw, violent crime in the US is down and has been trending down for a long time.

[Marc Vaughan]

Fwiw, violent crime in the US is down and has been trending down for a long time.

This in a nutshell - violent crimes get far more airplay today and so seem more prevalent than in the past ... but also most people are incredibly insulated from death today, thus any deaths are considered as being far more serious/abnormal then they might have been several decades ago.

An example of this from England - in the 1970's and early 80's football hooliganism was an accepted part of the soccer culture, a certain demographic of the supporters went along in order to brawl with the thugs from the opposition team.

For certain teams having a dozen or more supporters in hospital after a match was expected and rarely something which was reported heavily upon ... today it'd be front page news.

[stevew]

Dunno which thread to bump, but school shooter TJ Lane escaped from prison today. He killed several students in chardon Ohio, and then infamously wore a "killer" shirt to trial and flipped off the family members. I can only hope there is an understanding that there will be no surrender when he's found.

[RainMaker]

Dunno which thread to bump, but school shooter TJ Lane escaped from prison today. He killed several students in chardon Ohio, and then infamously wore a "killer" shirt to trial and flipped off the family members. I can only hope there is an understanding that there will be no surrender when he's found.

I hope he gets the street justice he deserves.

[Qwikshot]

He didn't get far, they found him already...now they're trying to find out why he was able to escape.

[molson]

That's pretty crazy that they didn't have him in a maximum security facility. That oversight could have let him live pretty well (for a prisoner) for decades to come, but now that's gone. One you have that classification of a medium-security inmate, it's a liberty interest, and they can't take it away from you without cause.

[Breeze]

A shooting at Florida State...This was issued by the school...


"A dangerous situation is occurring on the Main Campus of Florida State University in Tallahassee. Seek shelter immediately in nearest building, away from doors and windows. Go to Florida State University :: Special Conditions & Updates (www.alerts.fsu.edu) for more information and updates, or by calling (850) 644-4636."

[Breeze]

Melissa Martin of ESPNU actually tweeted

"Maybe he's heading for Jameis."

[Breeze]

Looks like 3 injured, 1 in critical condition...
Gunman was killed...

[CU Tiger]

Melissa Martin...you're fired

[Lathum]

Melissa Martin of ESPNU actually tweeted

"Maybe he's heading for Jameis."

Melissa Martin...you're fired

yeah, pretty poor form.

It is amazing how desensitized we have become.

5 years ago there would be a thread 10 pages long dedicated to this.

Gun reform can't come fast enough.

[tarcone]

St Louis is up to 132 homicides this year. Mostly by gun.

[Logan]

Just to clarify, she was part of a campus team that gets exposure and experience with TV production. She wasn't an ESPN employee.

And will never be one now, of course.

[kingfc22]

Maybe we should just pin this post to the top at this point as it gets bumped so often.

And yes, Melissa Martin you are an idiot. For as much as I don't like Winston, that is very poor form.

[BYU 14]

Just to clarify, she was part of a campus team that gets exposure and experience with TV production. She wasn't an ESPN employee.

And will never be one now, of course.

Think we can still add former to wherever she works :)

Twitter once again proves it is worse than alcohol for inducing stupidity

[Matthean]

Melissa Martin...you're fired

Maybe not, but Marisa Martin likely is.

[Matthean]

Also, the story now is the account was hacked into. Right.

[molson]

Just to clarify, she was part of a campus team that gets exposure and experience with TV production. She wasn't an ESPN employee.



And she's actually a college student.

I wonder if colleges or high schools have social media responsibility training as part of their orientations. Because you can really screw up your career before it starts. I don't know if I would have been stupid enough to tweet stuff like that when I was in college, but I do know I was dumber than I am now. This is a pretty tame joke by dorm room standards, and it wasn't even funny. It's not a big deal at all in a vacuum, it's more just a thing because it's hilarious that someone can be that stupid.

Also, after apologizing for the tweet, she THEN claimed her account was hacked. So she couldn't even do the account hacking lie right.

ESPNU Campus Connection reporter makes Twitter joke about Florida State shooting, then says account was hacked - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2014/11/20/espnu-reporter-marisa-martin-thinks-the-florida-state-shooting-is-worth-joking-about-on-twitter/)

[Logan]

Looking forward to seeing the results of that hacking "investigation".

Unfortunately I can't link to it right now but there are some crazy pictures taken by a kid who was in the library, heard shots from behind him, ran out and thankfully got away. He then opened his backpack and found a bullet ripped through his bag and two of his books.

[Breeze]

Interesting bit of information on the stupid student reporter. Not only is she claiming her twitter account was hacked, but the UACampusConnect account is claiming that as well...only problem - she likely is the UACampusConnect account...

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/20/did-a-student-reporter-for-espnu-joke-that-the-fsu-gunman-was-heading-for-star-qb-jameis-winston/

[Matthean]

Interesting bit of information on the stupid student reporter. Not only is she claiming her twitter account was hacked, but the UACampusConnect account is claiming that as well...only problem - she likely is the UACampusConnect account...

http://twitchy.com/2014/11/20/did-a-student-reporter-for-espnu-joke-that-the-fsu-gunman-was-heading-for-star-qb-jameis-winston/

She posted using the campus account saying she was hacked.

[Kodos]

Genius!

[kingfc22]

She posted using the campus account saying she was hacked.

When college students fail to realize they are not really smarter than the general population. Hilarity ensues. :popcorn:

I'm sure she never thought people would look into who was behind the campus account. :lol:

[Matthean]

When college students fail to realize they are not really smarter than the general population. Hilarity ensues. :popcorn:

I'm sure she never thought people would look into who was behind the campus account. :lol:

She put her twitter name in the post.

AL Campus Connection on Twitter: "@marisam24 here just letting everyone at FSU know this account was compromised tonight. Sincere apologies and an investigation is underway" (https://twitter.com/UACampusConnect/status/535327160245182464)