WOOF2: Free Market FOF-MP League (FORUM IS UP) **ONLY TWO TEAMS LEFT**

[Ben E Lou]

http://www.fof-woof2.com/forum/forum.php



We're going to reboot the WOOF, starting from scratch, with new rules. The idea comes from QuikSand's discussion in this thread:

Idea for discussion - softening the reign of the "star receiver" in MP FOF - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=84170)

Here's how the league will work:

1. No renegotiations of any kind...ever. Either you pay him what you signed him to, or cut/trade him.
1a. Not even renegs on holdouts. If he holds out, you either wait him out, cut him, or trade him.
2. No signing of your own RFAs during FA1. All of them hit the open market in FA2.
3. Undrafted rookies only get one-year deals. And remember, they all hit the open market in year 2, so because of cohesion and multi-year deals, this will make late-round draft picks significantly more valuable than undrafted rookies.
4. No franchise tag. Should go without saying in a free market league, but I'm saying it.

In short, every player will end up being paid his value on the free market, and teams can remake themselves very quickly.

Q: But won't this mean nearly total turnover in teams from year to year???

A: Not as much as you might think. This FOxL discussion best explains it, but in short, I strongly suspect that very quickly, because of cohesion, people will value their own 55/55ish and under players tons higher than others' 55/55 and under players. 10:25:23 am [wademoore]: Do people not realize that no one wants your 39/44 3rd year OG?
10:25:32 am [wademoore]: they're too busy signing their 42/42 3rd year C
10:25:38 am [Ben E Lou]: yy wade
10:25:40 am [Ben E Lou]: precisely
10:26:14 am [wademoore]: in fact, I'd argue that it will probably force a lot of people to spend LESS on a chunk of their roster than they would otherwise
10:26:25 am [wademoore]: many of these "depth" players will sign at minsal, whena reneg would get them slightly above that
10:26:30 am [Ben E Lou]: heh....fair point, wade
10:26:36 am [Ben E Lou]: that's a DARN good point
10:26:42 am [Ben E Lou]: hadn't thought about that, but i'll bet you're right
10:26:54 am [wademoore]: feel free to steal it, because you will articulate it better than me
10:27:03 am [kurtism]: well, and middling players that start for you want WAY TOO MUCH to resign
10:27:13 am [Ben E Lou]: ding ding ding kurt
10:27:13 am [wademoore]: and, fwiw, I believe greg is right.. any player that is "on your team" shows up as red
10:27:15 am [kurtism]: should be more reasonable on the open market
10:27:18 am [Ben E Lou]: that's exactly what wade is getting at...
10:27:24 am [wademoore]: right, that's what I'm saying
10:27:29 am [kurtism]: and if you get outbid, someone really just did you a favor
10:27:36 am [wademoore]: heh, too true kurt
10:27:45 am [Ben E Lou]: people re-sign those 43/43 types for requested renegs of $3M a year or whatever
10:27:51 am [Ben E Lou]: now they'll get them for minsal
10:27:59 am [wademoore]: yup

Q: But I don't understand how to sign players in Free Agency. I'll be at a big disadvantage.

A: Overall, it's actually very straightforward, significantly more straightforward than the draft. Ben will be providing a detailed primer revealing every "trick" he knows.

We're starting out by inviting most of the former owners to reclaim their former teams, but it's virtually certain that we'll have some openings. The Google Spreadsheet will be updated with owner info. If you're not on the initial list, post here to stake your claim to a team if the owner decides not to play. You can ask for a specific team or "first available." (There will be extremely limited franchise movement, if any at all.)

POTENTIAL OWNER LIST: Welcome to Google Docs (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuusM9tO5fG3dEVURkRZbTFKVDVxNXg3aEFnMGNEVWc#gid=0)

("Confirmed" means that they're in.)

[Ben E Lou]

Oh. I've given the old owners until noon Friday to claim their teams.

[RedKingGold]

I would like to return to my Havana Fuego, please.

[Subby]

in

[Julio Riddols]

If there's a spot open, I'm in so deep it'll put the WOOF to sleep.

[scorp]

Richmond Rhinos again please.

[sawblade300]

By scratch, do you mean an allocation draft right from the start? Or will these teams already have rosters?

Either way...I'm in. Assign me a team. Oh, are you able to move your team? Not sure if the "limited franchise moves" referred to this or not.

[Ben E Lou]

Just went through the list. I'm expecting around 8-10 teams to go unclaimed by the 32 people listed there.

[Ben E Lou]

By scratch, do you mean an allocation draft right from the start? Or will these teams already have rosters?

Either way...I'm in. Assign me a team. Oh, are you able to move your team? Not sure if the "limited franchise moves" referred to this or not.Allocation draft.

[sjshaw]

I'll take a team.

[schwantz]

I'm in for the first available opening.

[MarkRidings]

I definitely want to be involved.

[RedKingGold]

One thing you might want to think about is the odd contracts assigned to players during the allocation draft. Then again, I guess it would promote the spirit of the rule if that 1st round pick hits FA in year two or three.

[Ben E Lou]

One thing you might want to think about is the odd contracts assigned to players during the allocation draft. Then again, I guess it would promote the spirit of the rule if that 1st round pick hits FA in year two or three.Someone needs to test this, but during the draft, every player has a requested contract length on the View Rosters--->Free Agents---->Contract View screen. If those numbers are accurate, then let the drafter beware.

[RedKingGold]

Interesting, was not aware of it but never really had to care about it before either.

[sawblade300]

Someone needs to test this, but during the draft, every player has a requested contract length on the View Rosters--->Free Agents---->Contract View screen. If those numbers are accurate, then let the drafter beware.

Son of a bitch. I never realized this. Well, that would've saved me a lot of headaches in GMFL. :banghead:

[dann]

I'm fairly positive I'm back in, but is there a reason we couldn't keep the rosters and/or history from the WOOF? I would imagine it would help the immersion factor or a lot of the returning owners. Since teams can be remade fairy quickly it shouldn't hurt recruiting new owners.

[RedKingGold]

I'm fairly positive I'm back in, but is there a reason we couldn't keep the rosters and/or history from the WOOF? I would imagine it would help the immersion factor or a lot of the returning owners. Since teams can be remade fairy quickly it shouldn't hurt recruiting new owners.

Snap, I would love to keep the history if there way any way we could. (pours out 40 for Jimmy Cote)

[Ben E Lou]

I'm fairly positive I'm back in, but is there a reason we couldn't keep the rosters and/or history from the WOOF? I would imagine it would help the immersion factor or a lot of the returning owners. Since teams can be remade fairy quickly it shouldn't hurt recruiting new owners.Got a ton of feedback that people would join if the league was from scratch. People like doing allocation drafts.

[RedKingGold]

Although, if I remember, there are some teams which would start out at an unfair advantage because of finances (thanks Wade).

[Ben E Lou]

Although, if I remember, there are some teams which would start out at an unfair advantage because of finances (thanks Wade).Yeah...that too.

[Nemesis]

Hey Ben, I was Lincoln. Unfortunately, I'll have to bow out of this one.

[Ben E Lou]

Hey Ben, I was Lincoln. Unfortunately, I'll have to bow out of this one.Yeah, that was one of those tough calls of Nemesis vs. Subby. Subby created the Continentals, so I gave him the first offer there. Wish you were able to join us.

[Ben E Lou]

Memphis is open.

[Ben E Lou]

If there's a spot open, I'm in so deep it'll put the WOOF to sleep.I guess I'll just go in order. You get Memphis for now. If people want to switch teams before we start up, then they're more than welcome to do so.

[scorp]

OK so are you saying allocation draft players can't be resigned during the initial year even if only under a 1 year deal?

can my allocaton draft be my old team roster :D I know it can't but I would love to be able to pick up where I left off with that team.

[stevew]

I'm not interested but I wish you all luck.

[TRO]

I would like to sign up for an open team when available.

[Ben E Lou]

OK so are you saying allocation draft players can't be resigned during the initial year even if only under a 1 year deal?Someone (maybe me) needs to test if the number of years they say they'll take is accurate. If it is, then there's no need for any adjustment: it's just another data point that you factor in when deciding on whether to draft a guy. If it's not accurate and there's no way to predict it, then we need to consider a free-for-all free agency or a house rule to handle that. (It could be as simple as "renegotiations are allowed in season 1, but never after then.")

[corbes]

I know everyone likes allocation drafts, but to play devil's advocate, why should the "free market league" start with anything other than a free-for-all free agency?

[Taco]

Sounds interesting - I'm in

[Masked]

I'm in.

While I like the idea of preserving history/rosters, my team in particular would be handicapped by a poor financial situation.

[Ben E Lou]

I know everyone likes allocation drafts, but to play devil's advocate, why should the "free market league" start with anything other than a free-for-all free agency?I've thought about that. My main concerns are twofold:

1. There's not enough control over multiple high-dollar signings in the same stage.
2. It ain't easy to set up such a league.

I *might* be able to get some help with #2, but #1 is pretty much unavoidable. And maybe that's ok...

[Ben E Lou]

Sounds interesting - I'm inCool! Blast from the past.

[gstelmack]

I know everyone likes allocation drafts, but to play devil's advocate, why should the "free market league" start with anything other than a free-for-all free agency?

My thought as well.

[Bako]

I know everyone likes allocation drafts, but to play devil's advocate, why should the "free market league" start with anything other than a free-for-all free agency?

I'd possibly be interested if this were the case.

Great point also.

[Ben E Lou]

To be clear, it wouldn't be hard to sell me on free agency over allocation.

[gstelmack]

The advantage of free agency over allocation is we get to see what happens when Ben has ALL of his cap tied up in QB-WR-WR (you know he'll have max offers here, whatever his owner will allow) and is stuck with minsal scarpheap everywhere else. Can he still win?

[scorp]

I was thinking that year 1 was the only year you can renegotiate allocation draft players. then never again.

Also if your QB hits FA then you resign him technically he was not on the roster when he was a FA so you lose cohesion even if you resign him.

[Ben E Lou]

Also if your QB hits FA then you resign him technically he was not on the roster when he was a FA so you lose cohesion even if you resign him.Not true. He is still on the roster for those purposes.

[Ben E Lou]

The advantage of free agency over allocation is we get to see what happens when Ben has ALL of his cap tied up in QB-WR-WR (you know he'll have max offers here, whatever his owner will allow) and is stuck with minsal scarpheap everywhere else. Can he still win?Hehehe. Nah. When CCFL did free agency, I took a moneyball approach and was successful with it. I got this guy for $2M a year: http://www.younglifenorthdekalb.com/ccfl/ben/playercard.php?playerid=1796

You actually point to another reason that I'm a bit leery of full free agency: there's far more potential to REALLY screw yourself that way. ;)
We won the Bowl in year 2 largely because most of the rest of the league overspent in FA and I had flexible (low-bonus) contracts to the point where Quik offered up the 1.4 and 1.6, and no one but me would give two first rounders for them, because most people couldn't afford 1.4 and 1.6 in year 2. A few teams couldn't even field legal rosters because they went so bonus-heavy in FA that first year. The AI had to take over for them.

[Jughead Spock]

I'm passing, but good luck with this one. If for some bizarre reason, you change your mind and bring back the WOOF rosters, I'll be all over it.

Move Provo back to Mountain View.

[Ben E Lou]

By scratch, do you mean an allocation draft right from the start? Or will these teams already have rosters?

Either way...I'm in. Assign me a team. Oh, are you able to move your team? Not sure if the "limited franchise moves" referred to this or not.Ok. Jughead is out. Assigning you to Provo.

[dann]

Yeah...that too.

If we did a FA start rather than allocation, couldn't we use the Woof player pool- assign the finances could be equalized?

[Ben E Lou]

If we did a FA start rather than allocation, couldn't we use the Woof player pool- assign the finances could be equalized?I could look into it. I'm not sure, though.

[sawblade300]

Ok. Jughead is out. Assigning you to Provo.


Hmmm. Utah. I don't ski. But I guess I could learn.

[Ben E Lou]

Hmmm. Utah. I don't ski. But I guess I could learn.
Well, like I said, I'm sure there will be some switching around of teams among the new owners. Consider it just a placeholder for "in." ;)

[mtolson]

I'm in if you have an opening. Any team available is fine with me.

[HomerSimpson98]

I'd like an opportunity if an opening presents itself as well.

[tovell]

I'd take a team if there is still one available.

[Ben E Lou]

Added a "Wait List" to the google doc. 11 old owners confirmed or replaced by new ones plus 6 new ones ready to go.

[Ben E Lou]

Tovell makes 7 on wait list.

[Ben E Lou]

If we did a FA start rather than allocation, couldn't we use the Woof player pool- assign the finances could be equalized?I just did some looking back, and with the problems we were having with the data file, this doesn't sound like the smartest idea. I think we should start clean.

[Sef0r]

I WANT MY ASSTECS :)

I am in

[Subby]

Is there any way to level the finances? I think that was my issue with Lincoln the first go-round.

[MalcPow]

Is there any way to level the finances? I think that was my issue with Lincoln the first go-round.

Yeah, fresh start will take care of that.

[MacroGuru]

I will be back with Rome, but I was moving them to Malta and going with the Knights, would still love to do that if possible, if not...better field turf than what I had would make me happy :)

[MalcPow]

Someone (maybe me) needs to test if the number of years they say they'll take is accurate. If it is, then there's no need for any adjustment: it's just another data point that you factor in when deciding on whether to draft a guy. If it's not accurate and there's no way to predict it, then we need to consider a free-for-all free agency or a house rule to handle that. (It could be as simple as "renegotiations are allowed in season 1, but never after then.")

Just took a look at this, and the request does not match the contract length given in an allocation draft. I'd even venture from the eyeball test that there's no correlation. Without wasting too much time on it, I saw a 3rd round, 80/80 SS assigned a 1 yr deal, so there's quite a bit left to the mercy of initial contract randomness if we do a draft and don't allow a starting phase of renegs. It may be in the spirit of the league that some teams will have a 3rd rounder that they lose after a year and others will have their first 10 picks all on three year deals. It'll be a random thing though, that much seems clear.

I want to say I'm indifferent on starts, but I probably lean toward a free-for-all. I tend to agree it's the most likely to produce a wider range of outcomes from a team strength standpoint, but does that matter as much with the rules we're talking about? Probably not. I'd endure an allocation draft if necessary (like a kidney stone!), but they are much more fun in my dreams than in the slow deathmarch of their realities.

[Julio Riddols]

Bidding War baby. Lets do it.

[MarkRidings]

I kinda like the idea of a free agent start. Of course, I haven't even been accepted yet.

[Julio Riddols]

What about just simming 200 years into the future? We all pick teams and the fun begins. 200 years later, everyone is woken out of cryogenic suspension and reinstated as GM of the teams they originally chose. Start with the 2210 FA 1 period and go from there.

[gstelmack]

I am out. I can really only handle one league at a time, and I have no really good reason yet to drop IHOF.

[Antmeister]

Uh......I want my Sandsharks back please

[Kodos]

What about just simming 200 years into the future? We all pick teams and the fun begins. 200 years later, everyone is woken out of cryogenic suspension and reinstated as GM of the teams they originally chose. Start with the 2210 FA 1 period and go from there.

I like how you think.

[miked]

Even though I have may have been the worst GM to ever grace the league (and FOF in general), I'm considering a comeback. Give me a bit to figure this out.

Oh, and I never lost a 1st round playoff game.

[Ben E Lou]

I kinda like the idea of a free agent start. Of course, I haven't even been accepted yet.I can't imagine that everyone who has put themselves on the wait list now won't get in. It's just a matter of the courtesy of waiting another day for the old owners. Some of them don't even play FOF any more.

[TRO]

I will obviously take first available, but if PilotMan doesn't return, I'd like to request the Silverbacks. Can't pass up an Ape team.

[QuikSand]

I'm very interested in the concept. Would like to return to Hawk Mountain.

[MarkRidings]

I can't imagine that everyone who has put themselves on the wait list now won't get in. It's just a matter of the courtesy of waiting another day for the old owners. Some of them don't even play FOF any more.

Oh, I'm not really worried about it. I was more just being whimsical. :D

[Ben E Lou]

Up to 22 now (including the wait-listers).

[MalcPow]

Even though I have may have been the worst GM to ever grace the league (and FOF in general), I'm considering a comeback. Give me a bit to figure this out.

Oh, and I never lost a 1st round playoff game.

:D

Do it.

[Ben E Lou]

It ain't WOOF without miked in the place to be.

[MacroGuru]

Oh and I am willing to take on Provo and shuffle around...being I was born and raised in Provo...it has a nice ring to it for me..if not I am still ok with Rome...

Just an FYI

[scorp]

still MWF sims?

[sawblade300]

Bidding War baby. Lets do it.

Oh man. I'm never good at those. I never seem to be able to offer enough or the right combination of enough to get my guy. :banghead:

My first choice would be a draft, but if it's a free for all, I'll manage. I'll take the scraps.

Another thought on renegs. Because you can't predict how long a contract is when you draft a player, I think being able to reneg anyone in season one ONLY would work.

[PilotMan]

I really appreciate being recognized as one of the top owners and having first crack at a team in the new league, but I just don't have the fire for FOF right now. Maybe it'll come back again one day, but for now I'm going to decline to take the reigns in Grand Junction. You can make them available.

PM

[Ben E Lou]

OK. Shaw is in.

[Vaevictis_386]

Please put me in the waitlist for first available team.

[sjshaw]

Is there a forum link?

[tovell]

If possible could I have anyone of the teams in the Northern Europe conference?

Thanks

[Ben E Lou]

Is there a forum link?Not yet. Probably this weekend.

[JetsIn06]

I do miss the Green and Black...

[Ben E Lou]

I do miss the Green and Black...So you're in, RIGHT???? :popcorn:

[JetsIn06]

Are we using the nerfed WR/QB files you made SD?

[Ben E Lou]

OK. My email said to the old owners that they had until "around mid-day Friday" to claim their teams. Opening up the unclaimed ones and assigning wait list people as well as I can (though JetsIn06, you have a bit to let me know.)

[Ben E Lou]

Are we using the nerfed WR/QB files you made SD?No. Standard FOF files. With this setup, they'll get paid their worth (probably more) in FA, so I don't see any nerfing being necessary.

[JetsIn06]

I just shot a message to elicense. Have reformatted a bunch of times since I last played. I'm in, assuming they get back to me in a decent timeframe.

[Ben E Lou]

I just shot a message to elicense. Have reformatted a bunch of times since I last played. I'm in, assuming they get back to me in a decent timeframe.Woot!

[dann]

Can't resist the urge to GM Curacao - even if it means getting destroyed by LWC two times a season. I'm in

[Ben E Lou]

OK. The spreadsheet is updated.

Welcome to Google Docs (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuusM9tO5fG3dEVURkRZbTFKVDVxNXg3aEFnMGNEVWc&usp=sharing)

I was able to honor all requests made up to now. If you were assigned a team and want to switch to one of the open ones, speak now or forever hold your peace. (All cities will be equalized, so the cities are purely cosmetic.)

[Ben E Lou]

I'm holding Copenhagen and Bozeman for Disturbed and miked for the rest of today, fyi. If I don't hear from them, I'll open those in the morning, so as of right now there are three firm openings, and two more possible.

[Pyser]

ill take the whirlwind

[TRO]

Looking at the spreadsheet - I assume Columbus Cheetahs may get updated to have an abbreviation other than AAR?

[MRL17]

Out. Consider Las Vegas open

[HomerSimpson98]

If no one objects, I'd like to be a Fire Ant from Miami.

[zullojer]

i'd be interested in las vegas if i could change their name to the gamblers. i have a sweet logo already

[Ben E Lou]

i'd be interested in las vegas if i could change their name to the gamblers. i have a sweet logo alreadyAtlantic City Gamblers are already in the league.

[Ben E Lou]

Looking at the spreadsheet - I assume Columbus Cheetahs may get updated to have an abbreviation other than AAR?Actually, the other way around. They are, in the current league file, the Ann Arbor Cheetahs. I was going with Columbus because a previous long-time owner had them there. That owner is not in, so they're staying in Ann Arbor.

[Ben E Lou]

If no one objects, I'd like to be a Fire Ant from Miami.Done.

[Ben E Lou]

Three teams left: Atlantic City Gamblers, Camargue Flamingos, and (possibly) the Copenhagen Unforgiven.

[Ben E Lou]

Disturbed is out. Three openings.

[zullojer]

atlantic city gamblers would work for me then

[Ben E Lou]

Two teams left.

[MarkRidings]

We are still going to be able to swap teams with other non originals if both desire, correct?

[Ben E Lou]

We are still going to be able to swap teams with other non originals if both desire, correct?Sure.

[chinaski]

I'll take a team.

[Dutch]

I'll take the Copenhagen opening.

[Ben E Lou]

...and then there were 32. I'll set up the forum in the morning.

[miked]

Any of you people holding out hope to take an awesome team in Bozeman would be better off to go fark themselves. Figuratively, but literally as well. Preferably soon.

[JetsIn06]

Hey Young Whippersnappers, you guys ready to get the band back together?

[RedKingGold]

Hey Young Whippersnappers, you guys ready to get the band back together?

MalcPow may be too cool now, he's like Beyonce'.

[cartman]

Even though I have may have been the worst GM to ever grace the league (and FOF in general), I'm considering a comeback.

Hey, you just can't step in and claim a title like that without a fight.

[MIJB#19]

Can't resist the urge to GM Curacao - even if it means getting destroyed by LWC two times a season. I'm inAlright! I'm ordering my season tickets right away. ;)

[Ben E Lou]

The bare-bones forum is up. I'll configure it and the site as we go.

World Order Of Football Forum (http://www.fof-woof2.com/forum/forum.php)

[sawblade300]

Am I still Provo? I saw someone post earlier they wanted Provo and Rome would be available.

No big deal, I just need to book my flight and I have to know where I'm going. Layovers are a bitch on these transatlantic flights.

[Ben E Lou]

Heh. Bad timing. Network failure on the hosting side of things.

Emergency Maintenance: US VPS subscriptions
by TS_USER on FEBRUARY 2,2013 5:49 PM
Dear valued VPS customers,

All customers hosted in our Rochester Data center will be experiencing a brief interruption to your VPS service. This will be affecting both Linux and HyperV servers. Our Operations team is working on resolving this as soon as possible and we will update you with more information.

Thank you for your understanding,

- Your Customer Support Team

[MalcPow]

MalcPow may be too cool now, he's like Beyonce'.

Haha, consider the band back together!

[Ben E Lou]

Heh. Bad timing. Network failure on the hosting side of things.Up and running again.

[sawblade300]

Registered on the forum. No confirmation yet.

Just sayin'

[scorp]

Well it looks like 5 sims a week in stead of the 3 WOOF was before, since that's the case I will give up my team for someone else.

[Ben E Lou]

Registered on the forum. No confirmation yet.

Just sayin'As I said elsewhere, it's pretty obvious that you have a spam-blocking issue on your end. Have you checked around for a whitelist? I'll manually allow it.

[corbes]

If you really wanted to go all in on the free market concept you could eliminate the amateur draft. Every player gets paid their true market value from DAY ONE, even during their rookie season. Gladwell wrote about this concept at some point but I had trouble finding it to link here.

[RedKingGold]

Something like that was done in the past, but it was not too successful because people do like amateur drafts (especially for competitive balance purposes.)

[sawblade300]

As I said elsewhere, it's pretty obvious that you have a spam-blocking issue on your end. Have you checked around for a whitelist? I'll manually allow it.


I don't find any whitelist in my email preferences. What's the email address any updates will come from? I'll just add it to my contacts, then hopefully I'll get something.

[sawblade300]

FYI...hate to be a pain. Still no access to the forum.

Tell Macroguru I"d be happy to swap Provo for Rome.

[Ben E Lou]

The address is benelou AT bellsouth DOT net

I just approved your account.

[Ben E Lou]

Something like that was done in the past, but it was not too successful because people do like amateur drafts (especially for competitive balance purposes.)My impression was that the reasoning for most wan't competitive balance purposes. It was more "OH NOEZ I AM NOT JOINING THAT LEAGUE THEY DON'T HAVE A DRAFT AND THE DRAFT IS TEH BEST!!!"

[sawblade300]

The address is benelou AT bellsouth DOT net

I just approved your account.


Thank you

[MacroGuru]

FYI...hate to be a pain. Still no access to the forum.

Tell Macroguru I"d be happy to swap Provo for Rome.

Done!

[Ben E Lou]

It would be very helpful if everyone who has claimed a team would register at the forum today. I'd like to get all the passwords out in one shot, and I need a forum registration to do it.

[tovell]

I wont have access to my pc till tommorow so i cant get on my email to verify my account.

[Ben E Lou]

I wont have access to my pc till tommorow so i cant get on my email to verify my account.No worries. I don't need it verified. I just need it to exist so I can connect to the username and userid with some of my scripts.

[stevew]

I was thinking the other day it would be awesome if you had the original draft files, reboot and draft. Obviously EF27 passes on the bomb QB he drafted 1.1. The Aztecs don't trade Morrero to the Skydog team. I know i got one of the better QB's in the 6th.\

Well, awesome probably isn't the right word, just it would be interesting to see how much of a departure the 2 drafts ended up being.

[MalcPow]

I remember EF27's QB being pretty damn good. The 1.1 was Jerry "Ding Dong" LaBelle, and I'm pretty sure Rusholme drafted him. And Rusholme was run by somebody who was only around for a season... Narcizo? Something?

Your QB from the 6th was pretty damn good as well.

[stevew]

Ah..yeah. Ding Dong. Maybe he bombed. Dunno, it was so long ago.

[Ben E Lou]

The league file is being released tonight. There are only two teams left to be claimed. Jump in on this now. Massive free agency begins on Monday, so you'll have some time to make a plan.

[Ben E Lou]

Oh, several links are in this thread. In case it's not clear, go to the forum now to sign up: World Order Of Football Forum (http://www.fof-woof2.com/forum/forum.php)

[Bako]

Which teams are available?

[Ben E Lou]

We have one opening for next season, maybe two. Copenhagen is open for sure. Head to the WOOF forum if interested.

[Ben E Lou]

We have 3 openings for the upcoming season. Details here:

FOF MP: WOOF (Free Market League) Has Openings. Franchise WRs in Draft Class - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=87186)