WW CLVI - Clue: Master Detective - GAME OVER! MURDERERS WIN! (Post 1817)

[murrayyyyy]

UNVOTE DQ Boy 10something
VOTE CHUBBY

If the 50% odds are true, time to do some stacking early...

[Coffee Warlord]

3 - murrayyyy
3 - Chubby
2 - britrock
1 - Zinto
1 - JAG
1 - Chief Rum

[Autumn]

The real rub comes in what sort of abilities various characters have. IF the Big Six have the most important villager abilities, then we're shooting ourselves in the foot by focusing on them. So that's probably the case.

[PackerFanatic]

I think the odds are probably just as good that we have the important villager abilities as the Big Six do. What do we feel is more important: a circle of trust or an important villager ability? I haven't been in too many games with conversions, but I know they can throw a big wrench in things.

[PackerFanatic]

And that is not me trying to say that any villager ability, big or small, is not worth something. I just almost think that having an honest-to-goodness circle of people we know are clear and cannot be uncleared is of more importance.

[bulletsponge]

I predict that this post will become very awkward within the next few days.

eewww, are you miss scarlet? the things you do when drunk. lets just pretend that never happened ok Autumn :(

[hoopsguy]

Coffee, do the murderers have standard wolf stuff - all know each other, all can communicate with each other via PM?

[path12]

eewww, are you miss scarlet? the things you do when drunk. lets just pretend that never happened ok Autumn :(

A whole new meaning to going over the ropes.

[path12]

I guess what I'm not sure of is how the Big Six would find their targets -- if they get a search, or it is a special order or what.

Figuring out how the Big Six work into it is the main thing I'm trying to understand so far. Something about the idea of going after them sounds counter-intuitive and I'm not sure why.

[bulletsponge]

The real rub comes in what sort of abilities various characters have. IF the Big Six have the most important villager abilities, then we're shooting ourselves in the foot by focusing on them. So that's probably the case.

i suspect thats the case too. how can the 6 become murderers? i suspect they have important villager roles also. maybe the bodyguard, but if he guards a certain person he kills them and joins the wolves. a seer that can scan but if they scan the worng person the kill them and join the wolves. same with a duke.. as a matter o fact there are 6 potential, might have 2 of each of those roles. can anyone whos played more than me tell me of other regualar villager roles that might be in the game?

[hoopsguy]

I guess what I'm not sure of is how the Big Six would find their targets -- if they get a search, or it is a special order or what.

Figuring out how the Big Six work into it is the main thing I'm trying to understand so far. Something about the idea of going after them sounds counter-intuitive and I'm not sure why.

Right, I wouldn't be shocked if they have option to become murderers once they locate their antagonist role. And achieve a personal victory in process. But that is 100% speculation ... still, trying to figure that out was part of why I asked the question about wolf mechanics for the game.

[Autumn]

I guess what I'm not sure of is how the Big Six would find their targets -- if they get a search, or it is a special order or what.

Figuring out how the Big Six work into it is the main thing I'm trying to understand so far. Something about the idea of going after them sounds counter-intuitive and I'm not sure why.

I expect that every night the Big 6 "scan" one person looking for their informer. If they find them they kill them, or perhaps have to kill them the next night. Could be different, but that's what I would expect.

[Autumn]

i suspect thats the case too. how can the 6 become murderers? i suspect they have important villager roles also. maybe the bodyguard, but if he guards a certain person he kills them and joins the wolves. a seer that can scan but if they scan the worng person the kill them and join the wolves. same with a duke.. as a matter o fact there are 6 potential, might have 2 of each of those roles. can anyone whos played more than me tell me of other regualar villager roles that might be in the game?

Well, CW made a point of saying that most of the abilities won't be standard WW roles, so I'm not sure we'll be able to figure that part out.

[bulletsponge]

Well, CW made a point of saying that most of the abilities won't be standard WW roles, so I'm not sure we'll be able to figure that part out.

yea, he did say everyone will have something special about them, there wont be any vanilla roles. i bet at least everyone will have a 1 time ability

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee, do the murderers have standard wolf stuff - all know each other, all can communicate with each other via PM?

Ayup.

[britrock88]

All that said, it does seem to be to our advantage to find the Big Six and eliminate them, as that seems to be a village strategy that has better odds of working out for us. Unless all of our best roles are with them (possible).

The real rub comes in what sort of abilities various characters have. IF the Big Six have the most important villager abilities, then we're shooting ourselves in the foot by focusing on them. So that's probably the case.

i suspect thats the case too. how can the 6 become murderers? i suspect they have important villager roles also. maybe the bodyguard, but if he guards a certain person he kills them and joins the wolves. a seer that can scan but if they scan the worng person the kill them and join the wolves. same with a duke.. as a matter o fact there are 6 potential, might have 2 of each of those roles. can anyone whos played more than me tell me of other regualar villager roles that might be in the game?

Restating the lines of thinking that I'm behind.

[bulletsponge]

heres my suspicions on the roles

the cop- hes a BG
the cook- can poison 1 person as a nigght action
Prof plum- seer
Scarlett- seer
Green- BG
Col Mustard- Duke
the Maid- seer

just an idea of some

[hoopsguy]

So that answer seems to at least somewhat go against the idea that "Big 6" all get scans for players to kill. Well, if it is allowed then that would be creating a "join wolves" defection for each player, who would then be acting against the rest of us for the duration of the game.

While I'm sure the odds of the Big 6 all getting their targets and having that opportunity are pretty slim, it sure does seem to aggressively stack the deck against the villagers as the game progresses.

[bulletsponge]

heres my suspicions on the roles

the cop- hes a BG
the cook- can poison 1 person as a nigght action
Prof plum- seer
Scarlett- seer
Green- BG
Col Mustard- Duke
the Maid- seer

just an idea of some

few more

My boddy - cunning wolf
butler- BG
Mrs Peacock- ?

[britrock88]

So that answer seems to at least somewhat go against the idea that "Big 6" all get scans for players to kill. Well, if it is allowed then that would be creating a "join wolves" defection for each player, who would then be acting against the rest of us for the duration of the game.

While I'm sure the odds of the Big 6 all getting their targets and having that opportunity are pretty slim, it sure does seem to aggressively stack the deck against the villagers as the game progresses.

This is why I think we have 2-4 murderers to start. The odds are on a couple of conversions occurring over the course of the game, bringing the maximum number of murderers to the 4-6 spot that seems appropriate for a 22-person game.

[hoopsguy]

Bullet, I'm guessing we're going to be getting some unconventional roles. Both because CW told us that already at the start of the game and because I can suggest that my abilities don't neatly align with a standard WW mechanic.

[saldana]

Bullet, I'm guessing we're going to be getting some unconventional roles. Both because CW told us that already at the start of the game and because I can suggest that my abilities don't neatly align with a standard WW mechanic.

i would tend to agree with that...having 3 of the big 6 have some sort of seer role is a bit much i think

also, since i dont really care about anyone else in this game until he is dead

vote autumn

[bulletsponge]

i just realized something. in the game and movie there are murder weapons, but theres no mention of them by CW. maybe certain people start with them, or they have to be found for them to be used. maybe they can be used as clues once they are used. it might be fitting in this game

[hoopsguy]

FWIW, I won't be voting for murrayyyyy - will be my first game playing with him, and after rave reviews last game I don't want to see him clipped on Day 1.

Probably also true for someone playing their first game. I'll spend some time going over the list of eligible candidates now and come up with some really marginal Day 1 reason to cast a vote on one of them.

[Chief Rum]

I agree with I think it was Hoopsguy's assessment that knocking off hte Big Six is our best strategy to start.

It was me. :p

[hoopsguy]

Couple of newcomers on list, couple of people who I tend to vote for early a little too often, hmm, not too many names to choose from. Eeny, meeny, miney ... mo!

Good to have you playing again, path12. Welcome back :)

VOTE PATH12

[hoopsguy]

It was me. :p

You can have it ;)

[path12]

Hoops, I'm oddly honored.

VOTE BRITROCK

Just to get a vote in, more a placeholder than anything else.

[PackerFanatic]

i would tend to agree with that...having 3 of the big 6 have some sort of seer role is a bit much i think

also, since i dont really care about anyone else in this game until he is dead

vote autumn

Autumn isn't at the house yet, so he can't be voted for.

[path12]

I expect that every night the Big 6 "scan" one person looking for their informer. If they find them they kill them, or perhaps have to kill them the next night. Could be different, but that's what I would expect.

The way CW has warned about the potential for a bloodbath makes me think that there isn't an option for the Big Six to kill their informer or not, it would just happen. Otherwise there doesn't seem to be a lot of motivation to kill anyone except if you just really want to be a wolf this game.

[saldana]

Autumn isn't at the house yet, so he can't be voted for.

DAMNIT!!!!!!

unvote autumn

[Chief Rum]

Some thoughts:

Hmm, I like the idea by (Autumn?) suggesting that the Big Six are here to kill one person, their specific Informant, and have the means to find them by scan or something like that. That would make sense.

bullet mentioned the weapons that are not "in" the game, at least not discussed in the ruleset. But they integral to the movie. I am going to guess those weapons are in one of two places, 1) each of the Big Six has one, or 2) Mr. Boddy has all of them (his role description suggests he has six ways to kill or something like that).

Mr. Green-- he doesn't have an Informant to match. But it seems likely he has a similar chance of becoming a murderer as the other Big Six do. So that must mean he has a target. I'm going to guess it is either Mr. Boddy or the butler, as the only other non-Informant, non-Big Six roles that started in the house. I am leaning to Mr. Boddy, blackmailing Mr. Green about his homosexuality.

Like hoops, I will also confirm that my "role" has some similarity to a role I have seen in WW in the past, but is not an exact fit.

[DQ_BOY1000]

You don't have to proof read, I may have been a little intoxicated when I read that, so I wasn't a hundred percent sure I had read your post correctly.

I might have been slightly impaired when I wrote it... :popcorn:

[Zinto]

i just realized something. in the game and movie there are murder weapons, but theres no mention of them by CW. maybe certain people start with them, or they have to be found for them to be used. maybe they can be used as clues once they are used. it might be fitting in this game


Mr Boddy
Oh yeah. He's here, he's blackmailing you, and he has in his possession six lethal weapons.

The weapons are in the game.

[bulletsponge]

The weapons are in the game.

cool. once again reading the rules is proving to be my arch nemesis *shakes fist at screen*

[Coffee Warlord]

3 - murrayyyy
3 - Chubby
3 - britrock
1 - Zinto
1 - JAG
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Chubby]

vote totals with who voted when?

I think there's a soothsayer role (sadly, not mine) with the amount of roles in this game.

Since i have nothing to hide I'll gladly state that I am not a member of the Big 6 and am not a murderer.

Still deciding who to vote for...

[Chief Rum]

AS OF POST #286:

britrock88 (3) -- JAG (132), PackerFanatic (194), path12 (278)
Zinto (1) -- mauchow (141)
murrayyyyy (3)-- ntndeacon (150), Lathum (204), DQ_BOY1000 (231)
JAG (1) -- britrock88 (152)
Chief Rum (1) -- bulletsponge (216)
Chubby (3) -- Danny (238), Autumn (248), murrayyyyy (251)
path12 (1) -- hoopsguy (276)




Day One Vote History

JAG votes britrock (132)-- britrock 1
Danny votes hoopsguy (137)-- hoopsguy 1
mauchow votes Zinto (141)-- Zinto 1
ntndeacon votes murrayyyyy (150)-- murrayyyyy 1
britrock88 votes JAG (152)-- JAG 1
Danny unvotes hoopsguy (154)-- hoopsguy 0
PackerFanatic votes britrock88 (194)-- britrock88 2
bulletsponge votes britrock88 (203)-- britrock88 3
Lathum votes murrayyyyy (204)-- murrayyyyy 2
murrayyyyy votes DQ_BOY1000 (210)-- DQ_BOY1000 1
bulletsponge unvotes britrock88 (216)-- britrock88 2
bulletsponge votes Chief Rum (216)-- Chief Rum 1
Danny votes hoopsguy (226)-- hoopsguy 1
Danny unvotes hoopsguy (229)-- hoopsguy 0
DQ_BOY1000 votes murrayyyyy (231)-- murrayyyyy 3
Danny votes Chubby (238)-- Chubby 1
Autumn vors Chubby (248)-- Chubby 2
murrayyyyy unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (251)-- DQ_BOY1000 0
murrayyyyy votes Chubby (251)-- Chubby 3
saldana votes Autumn Not Eligible (272)-- No Vote
hoopsguy votes path12 (276)-- path12 1
path12 votes britrock88 (278)-- britrock88 3
saldana unvotes Autumn Not Eligible (281)-- No Vote

[Autumn]

DAMNIT!!!!!!

unvote autumn

Serves you right.

Looks like I might as well start writing my epitaph now.

[Autumn]

FWIW, I doubt we get much of a useful vote history D1. I would guess there's only 2-3 murderers right now, and some of them might be out of house, so there's very little need or ability to vote to protect each other.

[Chubby]

lol look at the nice run on me to get up to 3. let's see how he reacts to pressure...

vote murrayyyyy

[Darth Vilus]

Not really sure where to go on Day 1. What a surprise lol

Vote Britrock88

[Danny]

It was me. :p

I am pretty sure it was hoops.

And thing that was a good line of thinking, well done Hoops.

[Danny]

FWIW, I doubt we get much of a useful vote history D1. I would guess there's only 2-3 murderers right now, and some of them might be out of house, so there's very little need or ability to vote to protect each other.

YOU HAVE MY SWORD!

[Chief Rum]

I am pretty sure it was hoops.

And thing that was a good line of thinking, well done Hoops.

Don't you have some cheese to go finish?

[bulletsponge]

whats a soothsayers role do?

[Chubby]

whats a soothsayers role do?

check to see if a person's statement is truthful

[Danny]

Gets to question the truthfullness of another players statement by getting a yes or no answer from the GM. For example.

I am not a murderer.

You could then examine the statement and the GM will give you a yes or no response of whether that is true. Though some games do block out direct wolf / not wolf statements like that.

[Chief Rum]

whats a soothsayers role do?

The soothsayer can submit a post or a remark within a post and ask the GM whether that remark/post is true.

So let's say you say "I am not bulletsponge" and a soothsayer submits that remark to the GM, he will get a false read (will be told you are lying).

There are usually limitations put in, like you can't use it on a "I am not a wolf" post, or something like that.

[saldana]

whats a soothsayers role do?

can tell if a statement from another player is truthful or not...thats why chubby said he isnt a big 6 or a murderer.

i honestly dont ever bother with making statements like that because the first time the role was used in one of our games (i think it was one of the spawns) people went crazy posting "I am not a spawn", and it caused all kinds of confusion because while there were different varieties of spawn.

now, it is typically built into the role description that statements like "i am not a wolf" or "i am a villager" cant be scanned by the soothsayer.

[Danny]

Interesting to how how three different people answer the same question.

[Danny]

four

[saldana]

how many more of us can explain this for Bullet? lmao

[saldana]

i think i still owe him for the alone in the dark game

vote jag

[Chief Rum]

Y'all are post whores!

[Danny]

bullet, do you need further clarification? ;)

[Coffee Warlord]

4 - murrayyyy
4 - britrock
3 - Chubby
2 - JAG
1 - Zinto
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Chubby]

hey, did you guys know that a soothsayer can check to see if someone is telling the truth?

[Coffee Warlord]

For what it's worth, a soothsayer can determine whether or not someone is telling the truth.

[PackerFanatic]

Now we got the official explanation from CW. Thanks.

;)

[bulletsponge]

hmm still confused

[Lathum]

Question for Saldana. Is your attempted vote for autumn based off of last game?

[path12]

For what it's worth, a soothsayer can determine whether or not someone is telling the truth.

What if the soothsayer is a yak? I mean, those fuckin' things, right?

[saldana]

Question for Saldana. Is your attempted vote for autumn based off of last game?

hell yeah

[Coffee Warlord]

What if the soothsayer is a yak? I mean, those fuckin' things, right?

Did you just insult a yak in my presence?

[Lathum]

I find that interesting since Murray5Y posted an incorrect vote count that led to that spiral.

[Chief Rum]

Day One vote, so it's worthless. But I waited this long just to see who popped up. I don't like the run on Chubby, even though I would guess it is innocent. If I had to choose between murrayyyyy and britrock, I would likely go with britrock, simply because I have been a wolf with him, and I know he can be a good one. Plus, this is my first time playing with murrayyyyy.

But I would rather see what other reactions we can get to a tighter vote. So I'll vote JAG and get him up even with Chubby. He can handle it.

VOTE JAG

[saldana]

I find that interesting since Murray5Y posted an incorrect vote count that led to that spiral.

yeah, i havent forgotten him either, but am willing to give him a pass til next game since he is new to our group, after which he is on the list.

[Lathum]

Wtf?

[fontisian]

Alright. My powers aren't all that useful and I don't really want to become a murderer, so giving you guys this information is probably the most helpful thing I can do.

I'm a member of the Big Six. I can try to kill one person at one point in the game. If the character fulfills some pretty general conditions, they will die and I will still be a towny. If they are my informant, they will die and I will become a murderer.

[Lathum]

My wtf was in response to the multiple posts. Not Sals answer.

[Chief Rum]

Alright. My powers aren't all that useful and I don't really want to become a murderer, so giving you guys this information is probably the most helpful thing I can do.

I'm a member of the Big Six. I can try to kill one person at one point in the game. If the character fulfills some pretty general conditions, they will die and I will still be a towny. If they are my informant, they will die and I will become a murderer.

Are you like Meg from Family Guy, with the amazing ability to grow your fingernails? :)

Interesting reveal, considering we have stated it as a likely goal of ours to eliminate the Big Six.

[fontisian]

Interesting reveal, considering we have stated it as a likely goal of ours to eliminate the Big Six.
My point is that your premise (that the Big Six are trying to kill their informants) is flawed.

[saldana]

Alright. My powers aren't all that useful and I don't really want to become a murderer, so giving you guys this information is probably the most helpful thing I can do.

I'm a member of the Big Six. I can try to kill one person at one point in the game. If the character fulfills some pretty general conditions, they will die and I will still be a towny. If they are my informant, they will die and I will become a murderer.

My point is that your premise (that the Big Six are trying to kill their informants) is flawed.

how is the premise flawed? (bolded part mine)

[fontisian]

I would only try to kill my informant if I wanted to be a murderer. Since I want to stay town, I'm trying to avoid killing my informant.

[Coffee Warlord]

About to head home. Availability limited until closer to deadline.

4 - murrayyyy
4 - britrock
3 - Chubby
3 - JAG
1 - Zinto
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Chief Rum]

I would only try to kill my informant if I wanted to be a murderer. Since I want to stay town, I'm trying to avoid killing my informant.

Aww, but that's the rub. You, fontisian the player, being someone who doesn't feel like becoming a murderer, will desire to avoid your informant and thus not become a murderer. But you, fontisian in your role as a Big Six member, have an obligation to your character to find and eliminate your Informant, regardless of the cost, because your character is being blackmailed.

And, we, as the village in general, cannot trust that you will successfully avoid your Informant, even if you attempt to do so, nor can we control what happens if you fail to avoid your Informant.

[bulletsponge]

I find that interesting since Murray5Y posted an incorrect vote count that led to that spiral.

as a wolf with him THAT game, he paniked when he did that and was afraid his mistake would be taken as a wolf move and get him killed. it wasnt intentional

[bulletsponge]

Alright. My powers aren't all that useful and I don't really want to become a murderer, so giving you guys this information is probably the most helpful thing I can do.

I'm a member of the Big Six. I can try to kill one person at one point in the game. If the character fulfills some pretty general conditions, they will die and I will still be a towny. If they are my informant, they will die and I will become a murderer.

dude wtf? save that for when your about to hang. i suspect this rookie wont live long

[britrock88]

Updating CR's good work.

britrock88 (4) -- JAG (132), PackerFanatic (194), path12 (278), Darth Vilus (292)
Zinto (1) -- mauchow (141)
murrayyyyy (4)-- ntndeacon (150), Lathum (204), DQ_BOY1000 (231), Chubby (291)
JAG (3) -- britrock88 (152), saldana (304), Chief Rum (317)
Chief Rum (1) -- bulletsponge (216)
Chubby (3) -- Danny (238), Autumn (248), murrayyyyy (251)
path12 (1) -- hoopsguy (276)




Day One Vote History

JAG votes britrock (132)-- britrock 1
Danny votes hoopsguy (137)-- hoopsguy 1
mauchow votes Zinto (141)-- Zinto 1
ntndeacon votes murrayyyyy (150)-- murrayyyyy 1
britrock88 votes JAG (152)-- JAG 1
Danny unvotes hoopsguy (154)-- hoopsguy 0
PackerFanatic votes britrock88 (194)-- britrock88 2
bulletsponge votes britrock88 (203)-- britrock88 3
Lathum votes murrayyyyy (204)-- murrayyyyy 2
murrayyyyy votes DQ_BOY1000 (210)-- DQ_BOY1000 1
bulletsponge unvotes britrock88 (216)-- britrock88 2
bulletsponge votes Chief Rum (216)-- Chief Rum 1
Danny votes hoopsguy (226)-- hoopsguy 1
Danny unvotes hoopsguy (229)-- hoopsguy 0
DQ_BOY1000 votes murrayyyyy (231)-- murrayyyyy 3
Danny votes Chubby (238)-- Chubby 1
Autumn vors Chubby (248)-- Chubby 2
murrayyyyy unvotes DQ_BOY1000 (251)-- DQ_BOY1000 0
murrayyyyy votes Chubby (251)-- Chubby 3
saldana votes Autumn Not Eligible (272)-- No Vote
hoopsguy votes path12 (276)-- path12 1
path12 votes britrock88 (278)-- britrock88 3
saldana unvotes Autumn Not Eligible (281)-- No Vote
Chubby votes murrayyyyy (291)-- murrayyyyy 4
Darth Vilus votes britrock88 (292)-- britrock88 4
saldana votes JAG (304)-- JAG 2
Chief Rum votes JAG (317)-- JAG 3

[Chief Rum]

as a wolf with him THAT game, he paniked when he did that and was afraid his mistake would be taken as a wolf move and get him killed. it wasnt intentional

I don't think Lathum was suggesting murrayyyyy intentionally did that. He was suggesting (I believe, Lathum, correct me if I am wrong) that saldana should have been more interested in voting out murrayyyyy because of that mishap instead of Autumn.

[mauchow]

A reveal already !

I have a game at 630 & 730 but only if we win. Chances are we will lose and I'll be around at deadline. With that said my vote is meaningless on zinto so...

unvote zinto
Vote chubby

Pcjbl shoutout.

[Chief Rum]

dude wtf? save that for when your about to hang. i suspect this rookie wont live long

Actually the two games I have seen fontisian play so far, she has played very well. I don't know if this reveal will end up helping her much, but I have also in the past found myself at odds between my character's goals and my own natural tendencies.

[britrock88]

Yet to vote: Zinto, DaddyTorgo, KatyLied, fontisian, bhlloy

[ntndeacon]

I don't know if I will be back on til late... So let me make a move that will lessen the threeway
...
Unvote murrayyyyy
Vote britrock

[fontisian]

dude wtf? save that for when your about to hang. i suspect this rookie wont live long
How that information save me if I were about to be lynched? With the way the thread has been going, it's much more likely that it would seal the deal.

One kill in a game this large is not that helpful, especially considering that it can easily fail should those general conditions not be fulfilled. I judged my chances of being killed early because of this, which are admittedly high, against the usefulness of the information for town and decided to reveal.

Vote: murrayyyyy to keep this competitive

[Danny]

Actually the two games I have seen fontisian play so far, she has played very well. I don't know if this reveal will end up helping her much, but I have also in the past found myself at odds between my character's goals and my own natural tendencies.

Yeah, it can be tough, but I think its important to try and play according to your character.

[Lathum]

I don't think Lathum was suggesting murrayyyyy intentionally did that. He was suggesting (I believe, Lathum, correct me if I am wrong) that saldana should have been more interested in voting out murrayyyyy because of that mishap instead of Autumn.

Correct. I never for a second thought Murry5y did that on purpose.

[Zinto]

I guess the question I have is do the big six have a victory condition to kill the informant that they are targeting? It is an easy way to keep them wanting to kill the informant regardless of becoming a wolf or villager because of it.

[fontisian]

I do not have an additional victory condition, unless I kill my informant and become a murderer. Seriously, if I did I wouldn't have role revealed.

[Zinto]

I assume that at this point Font is a villager and is not worth voting on today but she is someone to keep an I on in the near future.

[Zinto]

I think I am going to vote for murrayyyyy, mainly because he was a wolf last game and kicked the village's collective butt by playing so well.

Vote murrayyyyy

[Danny]

I will actively vote to help make sure Murray does not get voted out. I would prefer not to lynch him day 1 in his second game.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - murrayyyy
5 - britrock
4 - Chubby
3 - JAG
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[fontisian]

Fine, pile on the guilt Danny.
Unvote murrayyyyy
Vote Chubby

[Danny]

Fine, pile on the guilt Danny.
Unvote murrayyyyy
Vote Chubby

:D

[path12]

Alright. My powers aren't all that useful and I don't really want to become a murderer, so giving you guys this information is probably the most helpful thing I can do.

I'm a member of the Big Six. I can try to kill one person at one point in the game. If the character fulfills some pretty general conditions, they will die and I will still be a towny. If they are my informant, they will die and I will become a murderer.

Do you have to specifically request to try and kill that person? Or do you have to search?

And if you have to search do you have to do it every night?

Speaking for myself I appreciate the info since most of my day has been speculating on the Big Six.

[fontisian]

Do you have to specifically request to try and kill that person? Or do you have to search?

And if you have to search do you have to do it every night?

Speaking for myself I appreciate the info since most of my day has been speculating on the Big Six.

My power basically consists of "pick a player to kill and hope they meet the requirements." If they don't, nothing happens and my one-shot ability is wasted. Maybe CW will tell me some more info later, but for now that's all I know.

[JAG]

I would only try to kill my informant if I wanted to be a murderer. Since I want to stay town, I'm trying to avoid killing my informant.

font, only issue I have with your reveal is we don't know if there are any other means by which you could be converted, in which case you may have helped the murderers' side out inadvertently even though you want to remain on the non-murderer's side.

[KatyLied]

Vote Chief Rum

Done. I'm going to drink now. :)

[Danny]

I have to admit, I am a little surprised Chief voted Jag.

[Coffee Warlord]

5 - britrock
5 - Chubby
4 - murrayyyy
3 - JAG
2 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Chief Rum]

I have to admit, I am a little surprised Chief voted Jag.

It was a placeholder vote. I wanted to see what would happen with a fourth candidate out there. It won't stay there. But I haven't decided where to go yet either.

Personally, I like both murrayyyyy and britrock88 to remain in the game. But I'm not going to hide from the vote and go elsewhere unless another candidate makes themselves available.

[Chief Rum]

Oh, I should say, I am not wild about Chubby as a candidate either. But of course, no one has done anything overtly suspicious yet, so I suppose a choice must be made at some point.

[Chubby]

I'd prefer not to have to move off of murrayyyyyy just yet but will out of self preservation

[Chief Rum]

Okay, so let's play the assumption game.

Let's ASSUME fontisian is telling the truth and all Big Six have a similar ability level to hers. They each have one time kill attempts that could make them murderers.

So let's think about this. I am also going to assume that Mr. Green's target is one of the 13 in the house at the start, just like the other Big Six.

That means we have six Big Six "shots", with a 1/12 chance per shot (13 in the house minus that Big Six player himself/herself) of being successful and turning that Big Six into a murderer.

If every Big Six player takes that 1/12 shot at random, they have an 11/12 chance of missing their Informant. My quick math says the chance all six miss is (11/12)^6 == about a 59% chance they all miss. That means it is unlikely their actions without further info will be successful and turn one of them into a murderer.

Now in actuality, their odds get better as they follow the thread and make a reasonable determination of who is not likely to be their Informant. Plus, the lynches will remove targets as well. And even as we add Extra Roles, the potential Informant target pool will only remain the same or get smaller. So let's say that while on average, it's unlikely nay one of them will have success, it is actually quite likely with the improved odds that at least one will have a successful kill.

Point is, CW has to plan for those odds in his game balance. If all Big Six start as non-murderers with a chance to become murderers, he can only really consider one murderer as likely to come from that group.

But we know murderers exist in this game already. Would a Big Six start as a murderer at all? This makes me wonder. I am thinking now that the Informants and the Extras are likely to be our pool of original murderers in the house (with 2-3 coming in one by one with the Extra Roles).

[hoopsguy]

font, only issue I have with your reveal is we don't know if there are any other means by which you could be converted, in which case you may have helped the murderers' side out inadvertently even though you want to remain on the non-murderer's side.

Other concern, I suppose, is that your target might have some ability to act against you as well.

[Chubby]

I don't know that'd I'd rule out Big Six as starting murderers.

Mr Green goes after Mr Boddy? (never watched the movie so don't know any backstory)

[bulletsponge]

My power basically consists of "pick a player to kill and hope they meet the requirements." If they don't, nothing happens and my one-shot ability is wasted. Maybe CW will tell me some more info later, but for now that's all I know.

huh? why would you "hope to kill someone" if your a villager and not a wolf? this is weird

[Danny]

Other concern, I suppose, is that your target might have some ability to act against you as well.

This could be true. I think having one reveal so that we all have an idea of the original 6 ability may not be a bad thing, but I definitely dont think all of them should start revealing.

[Danny]

And since we have that one reveal, probably should not have any more

[Autumn]

That's interesting, that's not how I imagined the ability would work. Only one shot each, with no chance to search for the informant. Huh. And it sounds like whether or not they are converted depends on something to do with the informant. I'll have to ponder on what that might be.

[Chief Rum]

That's interesting, that's not how I imagined the ability would work. Only one shot each, with no chance to search for the informant. Huh. And it sounds like whether or not they are converted depends on something to do with the informant. I'll have to ponder on what that might be.

My take on fontisian's explanation is that the conditions relate to whether a non-specific Informant target would die. I didn't sense there was any doubt that if she were to kill her Informant, she would be converted to a murderer.

[Chief Rum]

I may come to regret this, but I am going to switch my vote now, since I will be leaving for the second job shortly.

Between britrock and Chubby, I feel that britrock has had a good run of late as a wolf two times running, and Chubby has oodles of WW experience. Brit has played well, too, but in a complicated game like this, I think Chubby's experience with our massive games is a factor to consider. So I'm switching to britrock.

UNVOTE JAG

VOTE BRITROCK88

[Coffee Warlord]

With just over an hour to go...

6 - britrock
5 - Chubby
4 - murrayyyy
2 - JAG
2 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[saldana]

lets keep it interesting
unvote JAG
vote Murrayyyyyyyyyyy

[murrayyyyy]

I think I am going to vote for murrayyyyy, mainly because he was a wolf last game and kicked the village's collective butt by playing so well.

Vote murrayyyyy

I will actively vote to help make sure Murray does not get voted out. I would prefer not to lynch him day 1 in his second game.

To be 100% honest I would vote for me too. Damn straight I'm a dangerous player for it being my first game. Three players (and Chief) know how I play and can probably vouch for me. Plus I was crazy enough to try a suicide mission to end the last game.

Don't hold back a vote to keep me active because it's only my 2nd game. I'll be around for the next game(and probably more my style being conventional). Plus someone's gotta go first. I won't get mad, it's a mini sign of respect. In the last game the group was vocal about who they wanted gone quickly because of how they played so I figured they were the best players.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, folks, I am out until well past deadline. Good luck!

[Danny]

To be 100% honest I would vote for me too. Damn straight I'm a dangerous player for it being my first game. Three players (and Chief) know how I play and can probably vouch for me. Plus I was crazy enough to try a suicide mission to end the last game.

Don't hold back a vote to keep me active because it's only my 2nd game. I'll be around for the next game(and probably more my style being conventional). Plus someone's gotta go first. I won't get mad, it's a mini sign of respect. In the last game the group was vocal about who they wanted gone quickly because of how they played so I figured they were the best players.

But Id like to see what you can do as a villager

[murrayyyyy]

But Id like to see what you can do as a villager

You assume I'm a villager...

[Danny]

lol, you may not be, but % chance says you are. And I dont get a wolfy vibe from the way you are acting now.

[Danny]

Pretty funny though that you are trying to talk me into voting for you. I wonder if maybe you have some sort of ability related to that.

[murrayyyyy]

Pretty funny though that you are trying to talk me into voting for you. I wonder if maybe you have some sort of ability related to that.

:popcorn:

[britrock88]

You guys...

[Danny]

YOU RANG???

[Danny]

40 minutes until deadline

[Danny]

6 - britrock
5 - Chubby
5 - murrayyyy
1 - JAG
2 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[murrayyyyy]

And Dusty Rhodes re-enters the ring (oh wait, wrong thread)

[britrock88]

And Dusty Rhodes re-enters the ring (oh wait, wrong thread)

:lol:

[bulletsponge]

hey wheres my vote? i voted for Chief rummy

[murrayyyyy]

You guys...

Come on Brit, what's wrong with putting a little doubt in peoples minds... Wait is that doubt that I'm a wolf or a villager... or if I have special powers... crap now I have doubts.

[bulletsponge]

post 216, i voted for chief rum

[murrayyyyy]

post 216, i voted for chief rum


Finally someone else screwed up the vote. Kill them!

[Danny]

I just copied it from Coffee Warlord.

[Coffee Warlord]

Did I screw up the vote?

[Danny]

So Britrock figures to tie it up with Chubby or Murray

[Danny]

We're getting close, so I am going to try and avoid shenanigans.

Unvote chubby
vote britrock

[Coffee Warlord]

Nope, I did not screw up the vote.

[Coffee Warlord]

7 - britrock
5 - murrayyyy
4 - Chubby
2 - Chief Rum
1 - JAG
1 - path12

[DaddyTorgo]

Let's make it interesting...

VOTE MURRAYYY

[Danny]

Daddy as long as you realize that brit can tie it up.

[britrock88]

Unvote JAG
Vote murrayyyyy

I don't know about murrayyyyy, but he can't be a worse lynch than I.

[Chubby]

unvote murrayyyyy
vote britrock

[murrayyyyy]

so it's Brit 8 me 6?

[Danny]

8 - britrock
6 - murrayyyy
4 - Chubby
2 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[murrayyyyy]

UNVOTE CHUBBY

holding vote for Brit if I need to

[Danny]

8 - britrock
6 - murrayyyy
3 - Chubby
2 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Danny]

Chubby sure wiggled his way out of this vote!

[britrock88]

No kidding. Is that worth switching back? :)

[Coffee Warlord]

Jesus christ.

[murrayyyyy]

Chubby sure wiggled his way out of this vote!

I had a feeling a WWolfE was getting it this game first...

[Coffee Warlord]

8 - britrock
6 - murrayyyy
3 - Chubby
2 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Danny]

I had a feeling a WWolfE was getting it this game first...

What?

[Coffee Warlord]

2 minutes.

[murrayyyyy]

I don't think it matters Brit, it's either a late swing at me or you are done.

[Chubby]

What?

your guess is as good as mine

[murrayyyyy]

What?

I tried to combine WWE and wolf... isn't that the wrestling game? $#&*#*($ it didn't work.

[britrock88]

Screw it. It's only worth one scan, but I'm the seer.

[murrayyyyy]

well crap, let's put Brit to bed.

VOTE BRITROCK

[KatyLied]

Unvote Chief Rum
Vote murrayyyy

[Danny]

Hmm, williing to go withthat for now.

unvote britrock
vote murrayy

[Danny]

He may be lying, but I always believe in waiting that out.

[Coffee Warlord]

8 - britrock
8 - murrayyyy
3 - Chubby
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Chubby]

you tied it

[JAG]

Unvote britrock
Vote murrayyyyy

[mauchow]

unvote chubby
vote brit

[Chubby]

unvote brit
vote murrayyyy

[Danny]

8 - britrock
8 - murrayyyy
3 - Chubby
2 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[mauchow]

unvote brit
vote muraayyy

[Chubby]

unvote murrayyy
vote britrock

[mauchow]

jesus

[mauchow]

lol

[Coffee Warlord]

7 - britrock
10 - murrayyyy
2 - Chubby
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Chubby]

good job mau...

[Coffee Warlord]

Alright, double checking this.

[Coffee Warlord]

Deadline, though.

[Chubby]

7 - britrock
10 - murrayyyy
2 - Chubby
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

i dont think that is right

[Danny]

7 - britrock
10 - murrayyyy
2 - Chubby
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[DaddyTorgo]

Daddy as long as you realize that brit can tie it up.

Yep - I realized that. Wanted to see what sort of late movement my making it closer caused.

[bulletsponge]

what the hell?

[DQ_BOY1000]

What the heck!

[bulletsponge]

murrayyy got ye ol WW late run

[Danny]

Chubby why the change back?

[Chubby]

unvote brit
vote muraayyy

i dont know who muraayyy is, doesnt count!

[Chubby]

Chubby why the change back?

didnt want a tie

[britrock88]

Any preferences on who to scan between Chubby and mauchow? ;)

[murrayyyyy]

Woohoo First to Worst!

[Danny]

Welcome to the WILD WORLD OF WEREWOLF

[Lathum]

WTF?

[murrayyyyy]

Doesn't matter guys. I had the most worthless role in the game. Why do you think I made up a fake menu lol.

See ya next game.

Oh wait ...and Dusty Rhodes exits the ring.

[DQ_BOY1000]

Sorry to see you go murra5y... i was hoping to be able to type that a lot!

[Chubby]

Doesn't matter guys. I had the most worthless role in the game. Why do you think I made up a fake menu lol.

See ya next game.

Oh wait ...and Dusty Rhodes exits the ring.

im pretty sure it's a tie since mau showed up out of nowhere

[Coffee Warlord]

After checking three times, I'm going with...

7 - britrock
10 - murrayyyy
2 - Chubby
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12

[Coffee Warlord]

Unless I'm wrong...why do people think there's a tie.

[murrayyyyy]

Nah, I got me down as losing also. I think it was me 10- Brit 8.

[britrock88]

Fingers crossed that the BG can protect me every night.

[Danny]

After checking three times, I'm going with...

7 - britrock
10 - murrayyyy
2 - Chubby
1 - Chief Rum
1 - path12



That is what I had as well

[Autumn]

My take on fontisian's explanation is that the conditions relate to whether a non-specific Informant target would die. I didn't sense there was any doubt that if she were to kill her Informant, she would be converted to a murderer.

Might be mentioned later in thread, still reading along, but I think she clearly said that one of the results would be that she would "remain a Towny". I'll go back and look once I catch up.

[Chubby]

i was going off of #418 then mau and me cancelled each other out

/shrug it was fast and furious

[murrayyyyy]

I got 10 votes, I'm sure it's the majority

[Coffee Warlord]

HOKAY. Writeup and night info coming.

[PackerFanatic]

I am wondering about Chubby's changeback too. I was too slow in catching up, otherwise I likely would have switched too. What a nutso deadline though...

[bulletsponge]

Fingers crossed that the BG can protect me every night.

didnt you say you can only scan once? why keep you alive then ;)

[PackerFanatic]

I got 10 - 8, murray - britrock...either way, murray has it

[Danny]

I am wondering about Chubby's changeback too. I was too slow in catching up, otherwise I likely would have switched too. What a nutso deadline though...

It was probably just him being confused :cool:

[Danny]

I assume britrock said only once because he assumed thats all he would get to make because of being killed.

[Lathum]

did Britrock reveal something in there?

[Danny]

That he was the seer

[PackerFanatic]

He revealed as seer.

[Autumn]

lol christ you guys love drama. whatw as all that?

Sorry I wasn't around. I was putting the kids to bed but I think also thinking we had another hour.

[britrock88]

didnt you say you can only scan once? why keep you alive then ;)

Heh, well, I assume that I have one scan given normal WW rules for the BG. But if there's more than one bodyguard... Or the bodyguard role is "non-normal" as CW's rules write up suggests... I could get more scans.

[PackerFanatic]

Well at least we got a lynch - should be a lot of juicy info to go off of!

[fontisian]

Might be mentioned later in thread, still reading along, but I think she clearly said that one of the results would be that she would "remain a Towny". I'll go back and look once I catch up.

I can kill someone without becoming a murderer. I only become a murderer if I kill my informant.

[Autumn]

unvote murrayyy
vote britrock

Chubby, I don't see how you were so far behind on affairs as to not realize we had a reveal, but caught up enough you're making a vote change in the last minute.

[Autumn]

I can kill someone without becoming a murderer. I only become a murderer if I kill my informant.

CoffeeWarlord and his relativist morality. I protest!

[Coffee Warlord]

The murder of hoopsguy's evil twin has cast suspicion on the entire house. Despite a fantastic dinner of monkeys brains, washed down with champagne and cognac, you can't escape the fact that SOMEONE HAS DONE MURDER MOST FOUL.

You argue well into the evening, with many guests drumming up evidence that clearly proves one of their number has killed hoop's twin. It has come down to a vote...

THE COOK DID IT!

The police are called, and haul murrayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off to jail. Reports later indicate that murrayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy was innocent! The Cook is released from prison, and flees the country, never to be seen again.

The Cook could poison someone's meal, causing them to miss their night action the following night. The Cook was NOT a murderer.

FURTHERMORE!

The doorbell rings, and three more guests arrive at the house!

Darth Vilus
hoopsguy
Autumn

Those three guests have arrived. They are eligible to be targeted tonight, they may take night actions, and will be around to be lynched tomorrow.

[mauchow]

Yeah, I didn't read it then I did all within thirty seconds so I changed it to murrayy last second. I nearly shat my pants when I saw how close I was to 8:00. If I didn't switch I think it ends in a tie, but I'm not 100%.

[Chubby]

Chubby, I don't see how you were so far behind on affairs as to not realize we had a reveal, but caught up enough you're making a vote change in the last minute.

i was under the impression it was tied again going off of post #418, ya know, like I said above :popcorn:

[Coffee Warlord]

Night 1 has begun. Actions due 7am tomorrow, to be processed around 8am, or earlier. I expect it may take awhile longer until we kill more people.

[murrayyyyy]

No more monkey brain's for anyone!!! See what you did (told you my role sucked)

[mauchow]

All right, hoops is still alive he must be a wolf!

[Danny]

YES!!!!

VOTE HOOPSGUY

[JAG]

Also, do not expect roles to be the normal WW roles. There are a few similarities, but for the most part, they are weird.

That tidbit does give me some pause about this reveal for what it's worth. But when you give me a few seconds to make a decision, it's usually going to be the lowest risk option.

[Autumn]

i was under the impression it was tied again going off of post #418, ya know, like I said above :popcorn:

You thought it was tied, so you voted for the seer? :eek:

[Autumn]

Hello, ladies.

[Danny]

I dont think Brit should be trusted, but I do think his reveal will work itself out in time

[Danny]

Hello, ladies.

Mauchow and Daddytorgo?

[Chubby]

You thought it was tied, so you voted for the seer? :eek:

i'm not of the believe he's a full blown seer at all

[Autumn]

Brit was in the lead for at least an hour, yet revealed at 3 minutes 'til deadline. I'm not sure what to make of that.

[mauchow]

i'm not of the believe he's a full blown seer at all

I see what you did there..

Shhh, I won't tell anyone.

[Autumn]

i'm not of the believe he's a full blown seer at all

One of these days I'd like to convince you to just say your whole piece at once, rather than making me drag it out of you. :p

[DaddyTorgo]

Mauchow and Daddytorgo?
:eek:

[bulletsponge]

its hard to tell is Brit is full of it right now. if hes alive in 2 nights then im confident hes a wolf

[Chubby]

One of these days I'd like to convince you to just say your whole piece at once, rather than making me drag it out of you. :p

drag what out? i'm not a seer if that's what you think i'm inferring. i think, based on my weak ability, that nobody has a fullblown classic WW role.

[Chubby]

off to bed!

[Autumn]

drag what out? i'm not a seer if that's what you think i'm inferring. i think, based on my weak ability, that nobody has a fullblown classic WW role.

No, I mean rather than just saying "I didn't avoid voting him because I didn't believe his reveal," you just refer to breaking a tie. People are questioning your vote because you voted for a seeming seer, so you might want to mention that you didn't believe the reveal.

[hoopsguy]

YES!!!!

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Well that was fast :hand:

Murrayyyyy, part of the fun in being a villager goes beyond "cool role" and seeing how much you can derail the wolves through logic and reason in the thread. Of course, there isn't much of either on Day 1. Hope to see you in a few more games sometime soon.

With the movement this game I'm guessing our info-roles will be busy tonight.

[Danny]

Well that was fast :hand:

Murrayyyyy, part of the fun in being a villager goes beyond "cool role" and seeing how much you can derail the wolves through logic and reason in the thread. Of course, there isn't much of either on Day 1. Hope to see you in a few more games sometime soon.

With the movement this game I'm guessing our info-roles will be busy tonight.

Just to follow this, my favorite role is vanilla villager. I think I am most dangerous in this role because I have nothing to lose.

[murrayyyyy]

Murrayyyyy, part of the fun in being a villager goes beyond "cool role" and seeing how much you can derail the wolves through logic and reason in the thread. Of course, there isn't much of either on Day 1. Hope to see you in a few more games sometime soon.

It was more along the lines of between a reveal and my character, I knew I was shot. When Brit revealed that late I was basically stuck with, but I can poison your food (nothing to be kept over a seer.)

I'll be back to screw with people's minds in the next game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Someone asked if there were any night 0 actions possible. The answer is no.

[hoopsguy]

I saw the day deadline in rules, but has the night deadline been published?

[Coffee Warlord]

Tomorrow morning, 7am. With so many players and so many possible night actions, it's easier to do it in the morning.

[britrock88]

time post # voter votee # votes
10:48 132 JAG brit 1
11:26 137 Danny hoops -
13:56 141 mau Zinto 1
18:24 150 ntn murray 1
18:52 152 brit JAG 1
19:29 154 Danny x hoops -
08:58 194 PF brit 2
10:12 203 bullet brit 3
10:13 204 Lathum murray 2
10:51 210 murray DQ 1
11:16 216 bullet x brit 2
CR 1
12:08 226 Danny hoops -
12:34 229 Danny x hoops -
12:35 231 DQ_BOY murray 3
12:50 238 Danny Chubby 1
13:26 248 Autumn Chubby 2
13:36 251 murray x DQ 0
Chubby 3
14:28 272 sal Autumn -
14:36 276 hoops path 1
14:40 278 path brit 3
14:48 281 sal xAutumn -
15:33 291 Chubby murray 4
15:34 292 DV brit 4
15:51 304 sal JAG 2
16:26 317 CR JAG 3
16:50 332 mau x Zinto 0
Chubby 4
16:55 335 ntn xmurray 3
brit 5
16:59 336 font murray 4
17:12 342 Zinto murray 5
17:24 345 font xmurray 4
Chubby 5
17:40 350 Katy CR 2
18:52 364 CR x JAG 2
brit 6
19:02 366 sal x JAG 1
murray 5
19:47 387 Danny xChubby 4
brit 7
19:49 390 DT murray 6
19:51 392 brit x JAG 0
murray 7
19:52 393 Chubby xmurray 6
brit 8
19:54 396 murray xChubby 3
19:58 409 murray brit 9
19:58 410 Katy x CR 1
murray 7
19:58 411 Danny x brit 8
murray 8
19:59 415 JAG x brit 7
murray 9
19:59 416 mau xChubby 2
brit 8
19:59 417 Chubby x brit 7
murray 10
19:59 419 mau x brit 6
murray 11
19:59 420 Chubby xmurray 10
brit 7

[britrock88]

Putting in extra work because I'd like to make this one scan (BG willing) useful.

1) Autumn stuck vote on Chubby at 1:26pm to make it Murray-3/brit-2/Chubby-2
2) bulletsponge put brit up 3-1 at 10:12am; stuck to CR (single votee) at 11:16am
3) mauchow voted Zinto 1:56pm Sunday; moved to Chubby at 4:50pm to tie Chubby/murray/brit at 4; moved to brit, then murray at deadline
4) Zinto stuck vote on murray at 5:12pm to tie murray/brit at 5 with Chubby at 4
5) JAG first to vote brit (10:58am Sunday); moved to murray at deadline
6) Chief Rum voted JAG at 4:26pm to make it murray/brit-4, Chubby/JAG-3
7)PackerFanatic voted brit at 8:58am to make it 2-1-1-1
8) saldana voted JAG up to 2 at 3:51pm with murray-brit-Chubby at 4-4-3; moved to murray at 7:02pm to make it brit-6/murray-5
9) Lathum voted murray at 10:13am to make it brit-3/murray-2
10) DaddyTorgo voted murray at 7:49pm to make it brit-7/murray-6 (pre-reveal)
11) britrock88 voted JAG 6:52pm Sunday (4th single votee); moved to murray at deadline
12) Danny first to vote Chubby (12:50pm) with brit-3/murray-2; moved to brit before deadline to make it brit-7/murray-5; switched to murray at deadline
13) murrayyyyy voted DQ at 10:51am; moved to Chubby at 1:36pm to tie brit/murray/Chubby at 3; moved to brit at deadline
14) KatyLied voted CR up to 2 at 5:40pm (leaders at 4/5); moved to murray at deadline
15) path12 voted brit at 2:40pm to tie Chubby/brit/murray at 3
16) hoopsguy voted path (single votee) at 2:36pm
17) ntndeacon first to vote murray, 6:24pm Sunday; moved to brit at 4:55pm to make it brit-5/Chubby-4/murray-3 (broke 3-way tie)
18) DQ_BOY1000 voted murray ahead of brit (3-2) at 12:35pm
19) fontisian voted murray within 1 of brit (4-5) at 4:59pm; moved to Chubby at 5:24pm to tie Chubby/brit at 5
20) Chubby voted murray ahead of brit (4-3) at 3:33pm; at deadline, moved to brit pre-reveal, then to murray and back to brit post-reveal
21) bhlloy ...no vote...
22) Darth Vilus voted brit into 4-4 tie with murray at 3:34pm

[britrock88]

I remember seeing at least 11 members in the thread at 7:56 when I decided to go for the reveal. Eight people voted within 10 minutes of the deadline. People who didn't vote near the deadline but posted within 5 minutes of the deadline: Autumn, bulletsponge, DQ_BOY1000, Lathum.

[britrock88]

Autumn was on Chubby, bulletsponge on CR, DQ_BOY and Lathum on murrayyyyy.

[britrock88]

PF and font came around by 8:10. By that point, Autumn had given a RL excuse for not being on at deadline and was already grilling Chubby. :)

[britrock88]

Channeling CF with a post because I miss him carrying on conversations with himself in the thread in the wee hours.

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[britrock88]

Okay, scan is in for tonight. See you all in the morning!

[Chubby]

No, I mean rather than just saying "I didn't avoid voting him because I didn't believe his reveal," you just refer to breaking a tie. People are questioning your vote because you voted for a seeming seer, so you might want to mention that you didn't believe the reveal.

I know reading isn't your strong suit so i'll repeat, for a 3rd time.

based off of post 418, i thought it was tied. I dont like ties. no, i don't put stock into reveals 3 minutes before deadline and no, i don't think there's any full blown classic WW roles in this game. I think there's a lot of partial roles since everyone has some sort of ability.