Werewolf CLX - Atlantic City - GAME OVER

[Autumn]

http://www.acsportsbooks.com/images/atlantic_city2.jpg

This game is a sequel to my Vegas game:

Werewolf CXXV - Vegas, Baby - VILLAGERS WIN - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=80618)

The mechanics are, hopefully, slightly improved but will be very familiar to those who played or read the past game. Enjoy1

It wasn't pretty, but the residents of Las Vegas, Nevada managed to drive the mob out of their city. Two warring families did their best to get their fingers into the biggest, dirtiest pile of cash in the country. But it turns out in Vegas they prefer their own brand of sleaze.

Vegas isn't the only place, however, that a crooked guy can make a living. Members of the Lupino and Vampiri families--those that survived the gang war at least--eventually finished their sentences and headed East for greener pastures. It was only natural they ended up in Atlantic City. Seeing how much illicit money was changing hands, and just dying to be diverted, they joined forces in an attempt to make the second most crooked city in the country theirs.

Some guys aren't wise enough to learn from their mistakes. Of course Atlantic City has its own mob. They've been happily screwing over gamblers and collecting extortion money for decades. The Vegas family is going to have to go through them if they want a piece of the action.

But let's not forget the noble residents of Atlantic City. Well, maybe not noble, but they would just as rather throw their money away on dice, women and booze without threat of a pair of brass knuckles. Atlantic City's never going become the sensation it could be with the mob holding it down. It's time to clean up this city. And make a few bucks while doing it.

[Autumn]

THE BASICS

Don't quote any PMs directly in thread
Don't talk about the game outside of the thread
Don't edit your posts during the game
Vote by writing VOTE NAME in bold in your post on its own line
Unvote by writing UNVOTE NAME in bold on its own line
Nightfall votes will be accepted but will have to be unanimous, and once entered your vote may not be changed.
Tie votes will be settled by an unknown betting mechanic.


THE START


Villagers receive the message: "You are a resident of Atlantic City. Your goal is to rid the city of mafia members. You begin the game with $1,000. Happy gambling!"

[Autumn]

ROLES

The game will consist of villagers, and two separate groups of mafia. For the most part, villagers and wolves will be vanilla only, with services (see below) replacing the abilities of typical Werewolf roles.

Each mafia family may communicate and coordinate by PM. However the two families will not know the identities of the other family, nor be able to communicate with them. Besides eliminating the village, the goal of each family will be to eliminate the other either through death or by giving them an offer they cannot refuse. Mafia families will need to bid on services just as the village does, including the ability to make night kills. The mafias have the bonus of being able to transfer money among themselves.

There may be some hidden roles or hidden victory conditions in the game.

VOTING TO LYNCH

As in any Werewolf game the group will vote for a lynch each day. The leading vote getter will be lynched, and role and allegiance revealed upon death. Deadline for voting will be 9 pm EST, and any votes marked 9:00 will not be counted. A tie will be resolved by unknown means.

BETTING ON LYNCHES

Unlike most games, each night every player will send a private message to the moderator with their guess as to who will be lynched the next day. Everyone who bets on the correct player will split the prize money awarded. If they choose incorrectly they will not lose any money. This is the fundamental way to earn money in this game, for bidding on services (see below).

You do not need to specify any amount of money in your bet, you simply give me a name.

A player may bet on a spread of one or more players in the game who they think may be lynched the next day. The more players they bet on, the smaller their prize will be if they win. If Player A bets that the person lynched will be either Player X, Y or Z, and Player Z is the actual person lynched, they will get one-third of the prize money that a player who bid on Z alone would earn.

Bets are due by the dawn deadline, 9 am EST.

BIDDING ON SERVICES

Services will be offered each day after the dawn deadline. The services offered each day will vary, but will often include those who can scan like a seer, kill like a wolf, protect like a bodyguard, etc. The exact details of their service will be given only to those who hire them.

Each day each player will have the opportunity to spend their money by bidding on these services in Atlantic City. The player who bids highest will gain the use of that power that night. Players may only bid on one service per day. A player can bid any amount of money (though their bid will be capped at how much money they actually have after deadline).

Some services will be listed as Black-market Services. Any player may bid on and win these services. However, it is risky for villagers to get involved with these sort of people. There is a cumulative danger that players who contract through the black-market will find themselves indebted to the mob.

Bids are due by the dusk deadline, 9 pm EST. A player will be notified of their winning bid after the dusk deadline and they will have until the dawn deadline (9 am EST) to submit orders for the service hired (for example send in a scan target). Players may send in conditional orders if they are unsure they'll be around to send in orders. A player has an option to not use the service hired, and if so no one will be able to use it.

VICTORY CONDITIONS

The village wins when all mafia members are out of the game. Each mafia family wins a major victory if their family reaches a 1:1 ratio with the rest of the players (whether those are villagers or members of the other family). They earn a minor victory if the other mafia family is removed from play.

[Autumn]

PLAYERS


Narcizo - Resident
Murrayyyyy - Killed N6 - Atlantic Mafia
Danny - Lynched D5 - Atlantic Mafia turned Vegas Mafia
Chief Rum - Lynched D11 - Las Vegas Mafia
Coffee Warlord - Lynched D10 - Resident
JAG - Killed N7 - Resident
Fontisian - Lynched D2 - Vegas Mafia
Zinto - Lynched D6 - Las Vegas Mafia
Mauchow - Killed N9 - Resident
Britrock88 - Lynched D7 - The Celebrity!
Darth Vilus - Lynched D8 - The Paparazzi!
The Jackal - Resident
DaddyTorgo - Lynched D4 - Atlantic City Mafia
Bulletsponge - Lynched D1 - Resident
Path12 - Lynched D9 - Resident (In the Mob's Pocket)
InBlue - Lynched D3 - Resident

[Autumn]

You may now sign up.

[Narcizo]

I'm starting a new job tomorrow so I'll add the standard Hoops clause here but I'll try to be as involved as time allows. ie In.

[Narcizo]

I liked the two wolf-team dynamic in The Cube (I think it was called) so that's interesting. The bidding thing is kind of like what I remember from Rome, so that's also interesting. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

[murrayyyyy]

Gambling... guess that means I have to play although 6 am bets... crap...

[Danny]

In, First

[Chief Rum]

I liked the two wolf-team dynamic in The Cube (I think it was called) so that's interesting. The bidding thing is kind of like what I remember from Rome, so that's also interesting. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

If you're referring to my old game, it was "Enter The Cubicle." :)

Yes, I had fun designing that one with two wolf teams. It played out pretty well.

[Chief Rum]

In.

I am working a ton right now, so my participation will probably come in spurts of sporadic activity, but that has been good enough in the past.

[Autumn]

Gambling... guess that means I have to play although 6 am bets... crap...

I think most people sent in their bets around the night deadline. Usually not too much activity over night to make you change your mind.

[Coffee Warlord]

Why. Not.

[Lathum]

Sounds fun but am out for a while. Wife is due in 3 weeks so it is a busy time.

[JAG]

The first Vegas game was one of my favorites of all time, maybe my favorite actual WW game (not counting Dungeons). So I'm in, but may not be at my usual activity level.

[JAG]

I hope Tyketime will play.

[fontisian]

In.

[Autumn]

I sent a message to a few of the guys from Vegas who I haven't seen around lately, like tyke.

[britrock88]

What are you thinking for a start date? (Did I miss that in-thread?)

[Autumn]

Basically whenever I have enough signups. We had about 20 in the original game and I would love to get that again. Hopefully we can start in a day or so.

[Zinto]

I am in!

[mauchow]

I'll help get the number up.

I'm just getting back to work today after ten days so I'm a little busier right now. Hopefully cools down in a few days.

[britrock88]

Alright, throw me in.

[bulletsponge]

im busy this week, but if it still hasnt started by saturday ill sign up then

[Danny]

I'll message Darth and see if I can get him to join

[Danny]

In general though all the off topic drama sure isnt going to help WW. We already lost CrimsonFox and I think Chubby might have been boxed?

[britrock88]

Chubby's boxed, CF is still boxed for another couple weeks.

[Danny]

You can sign up dsrth he said he will play

[Darth Vilus]

Ill join

[path12]

I hesitate to sign up because I don't know how much time I'm going to have over the next week or so, but realize how frustrating it is to not get enough players.

Dilemma.

[The Jackal]

Screw it, I'll make it work somehow. Caveats about availability, etc.

[Autumn]

I thought we were on a roll here, this is a bummer. I've sent out messages to people from last big game, and from the last Vegas game. But if you can think of anyone to bug, bug them please. This really should be a big game.

[JAG]

Agreed on the bummer. If you're reading this and aren't joined up, you should join. It's a really fun rule set and I like the look of the visible tweaks (and I'm sure Autumn has more behind the scenes).

[Danny]

Yeah, SIGN UP OR BE FOREVER REFERRED TO AS A PANSY

[DaddyTorgo]

Sign ups still open?

I'm in.

[DaddyTorgo]

In general though all the off topic drama sure isnt going to help WW. We already lost CrimsonFox and I think Chubby might have been boxed?

The OT drama is driving me to visit (at least over there) less frequently, but Autumn made an impassioned plea, so here I am.

Kind of want to be one of those "whatever happened to Poster X" kind of things in some sense.

[Autumn]

We'll show Off Topic where it's at! I really want 20 for this folks. Twenty!

[Autumn]

we won't be starting this week, so hopefully bullet can play. Need six more suckers.

[path12]

OK. In then.

[Danny]

Honestly, starting to think it might be better to take our WW playing somewhere else. Probably wouldnt work though

[JAG]

Honestly, starting to think it might be better to take our WW playing somewhere else. Probably wouldnt work though

After the thing with CrimsonFox, I had the same thought.

[Autumn]

Well we could move en masse to Boardgame Geek

[Autumn]

Five more lucky ladies needed.

[Danny]

Well we could move en masse to Boardgame Geek

Might not be a bad idea, their system is better than ours and I spend more time there anyway.

[path12]

Well we could move en masse to Boardgame Geek

I played there a bunch when I was first learning WW. God, that has to be 7-8 years ago now. They used to do some crazy complex games.....probably still do I guess.

Am I the only one that finds the BGG site super slow?

[Autumn]

Hoping we can get hte last few over the weekend. if not, I'll revise the setup a bit to make it work for a Monday start.

[InBlue]

I would like to join.

[fontisian]

Blue! <3

[Autumn]

Signups are still open. I will send out roles tonight and Monday will be a Day Zero (because I want to make sure everyone remembers there's a game before bets are due).

[bulletsponge]

yea ill join too

[Autumn]

Signups closed. Unless you PM me quick and beg. working on sending out roles.

[Autumn]

Roles have been sent out and game now begins.

Today is Day Zero, meaning no lynch votes are possible. You may begin discussin thread, but your sole responsibility is to send me your Lynch Bet by Monday 9 PM EST. Please ask away if you have any questions about this or the mechanics. Tuesday will be the first real day of the game, with a lynch and bidding for services.

[Autumn]

I'm hoping the Day Zero helps make sure everybody realizes the game is on before things get really started up. So please check in during the next 24 hours please.

[Danny]

DId Bullet get in?

[Autumn]

Yes.

[Autumn]

I had already signed him up ;-)

[Danny]

oh

[britrock88]

Yo.

[fontisian]

Planning time.

Autumn's last Vegas game had 19 people, with 12 villagers, 1 gambler (who was pretty much a villager) and 3 wolves for each family. We have 16 people, so we're probably either at 12-2-2 or 10-3-3.

[JAG]

I would think we're probably at 12-2-2, especially considering that the rules said something about villagers potentially getting corrupted by black market services.

[JAG]

But maybe not. Not much coordination you can do with only two players each on a mafia side so that wouldn't be too fun.

[Danny]

As far as I am concerned we are 8-7-1, you are all mafia!

[fontisian]

Some services will be listed as Black-market Services. Any player may bid on and win these services. However, it is risky for villagers to get involved with these sort of people. There is a cumulative danger that players who contract through the black-market will find themselves indebted to the mob.
JAG: I'm assuming that you're refering to this, though I'm not sure if it implies a conversion or some other mechanic.

Possible idea: We use the time to decide the Day 1 lynch before the betting deadline. Pros: All of the villagers get money and we get a lot of Day 0 activity. Cons: All of the mafia get money, which they can then pool, and we probably get less Day 1 activity.

[bulletsponge]

im in. time to skin some wolves

[Narcizo]

Hello.

I think "being indebted to the mob" could mean that the mob can change their vote or something.

I think 12:2:2 would be very harsh on the wolfies - remember that as far as they're concerned that's 14:2, without a guaranteed night kill. 13:3 seems fairer but the village are at 10:3:3 under those circumstances which is tough for us. Then again the benefit of having a seer-service is that the result can be revealed immediately, which is a huge bonus for the village. I tend to lean towards it being 10:3:3.

[JAG]

JAG: I'm assuming that you're refering to this, though I'm not sure if it implies a conversion or some other mechanic.

Possible idea: We use the time to decide the Day 1 lynch before the betting deadline. Pros: All of the villagers get money and we get a lot of Day 0 activity. Cons: All of the mafia get money, which they can then pool, and we probably get less Day 1 activity.

I guess it could mean a portion or all of their winnings go to the mob, that actually seems most likely to me.

I like the idea. It is guaranteed to make more profit for the village than the mob which we can't guarantee with any other method I can think of. Yeah it kills D1 voting, but it's either that or we have no D0 voting, so that's a wash.

VOTE THE JACKAL

[Coffee Warlord]

Bah!

[JAG]

To make sure we have time to sort out the sure to happen last minute shenanigans and get our bets in for the right person, the unofficial D0 vote deadline should be 8:45EST (time stamp of 8:45 counts, 8:46 does not).

[Chief Rum]

JAG: I'm assuming that you're refering to this, though I'm not sure if it implies a conversion or some other mechanic.

Possible idea: We use the time to decide the Day 1 lynch before the betting deadline. Pros: All of the villagers get money and we get a lot of Day 0 activity. Cons: All of the mafia get money, which they can then pool, and we probably get less Day 1 activity.

Checking in.

I'm not so wild about this, font. What I recall from the Vegas game is that there was a ton of value in the mafia being able to pool their money and plan out their bids in private. Obviously, we can't do anything about their private communications, but it's kinda like going up against a secret bank. I don't know if it's such a great idea to give two separate organizations each a triple-down bet on the opening day, while the village's one day coup will not go very far (unpoolable) and will be uncoordinated amongst a group of people who won't be able to trust one another.

That said, if we do coordinate on a lynch today, I will certainly bet on the winner.

[Chief Rum]

Something else to think of. What if it's a close vote today?

That makes us awfully susceptible to vote switches tomorrow (when the actual lynch needs to happen). And the lynch target will have basically all day to tell us we're wrong, which will get annoying and probably counter productive to Day One discussion.

Hrm... look I like the concept. I just don't know if the end all value of it is going to match the concept ideal.

[Chief Rum]

Roles have been sent out and game now begins.

Today is Day Zero, meaning no lynch votes are possible. You may begin discussin thread, but your sole responsibility is to send me your Lynch Bet by Monday 9 PM EST. Please ask away if you have any questions about this or the mechanics. Tuesday will be the first real day of the game, with a lynch and bidding for services.

Question for the moderator:

I note here that you have our lynch bets for today set for 9 PM EST (the dusk deadline), but from the rules it appears that the normal lynch bet time is actually at 9 AM EST (the dawn deadline).

Was your choice of lynch bet time for today intentional based on this being a Day Zero, and future bets will be in the AM, or was this set for tonight in error and you intended for the bets to be tomorrow morning? (as in at the end of "Night Zero")

[Autumn]

Question for the moderator:

I note here that you have our lynch bets for today set for 9 PM EST (the dusk deadline), but from the rules it appears that the normal lynch bet time is actually at 9 AM EST (the dawn deadline).

Was your choice of lynch bet time for today intentional based on this being a Day Zero, and future bets will be in the AM, or was this set for tonight in error and you intended for the bets to be tomorrow morning? (as in at the end of "Night Zero")

Future bets will be due in the morning, yes. I chose night for Day Zero simply because everyone has sufficient time to get them in, and I wanted to give a reason for everyone to make sure they checked in and got active before the first day truly starts.

[Autumn]

I will revise the rules to make this more clear -- you don't have to bet any certain amount of money on the lynch. You just guess who you think will get lynched and you either win the prize or not. So you only need to send me a name, not an amount of money.

[Autumn]

Also, I should point out for returning folks that one of the big changes in the revised rule set is that you can bet on more than one person in the lynch. Please make sure to check out those new rules.

The other large change is that when it comes time to bid on services, tomorrow, you can only bid on one service a day.

[JAG]

Something else to think of. What if it's a close vote today?

That makes us awfully susceptible to vote switches tomorrow (when the actual lynch needs to happen). And the lynch target will have basically all day to tell us we're wrong, which will get annoying and probably counter productive to Day One discussion.

Hrm... look I like the concept. I just don't know if the end all value of it is going to match the concept ideal.

I don't understand your bolded statements (or agree with them if I do understand). A close vote today will still have an outcome (unless we tie, but we never do that). And it doesn't have any impact on Day 1 discussion, it just makes Day 0 Day 1 instead of today being mostly useless for information gathering.

However, there's an argument that not everyone will be around at the 'lynch' deadline, which means that those that aren't will not be able to coordinate their bets properly.

Still, I'd rather try and get something out of today rather than just let it go by without forcing people to make a stand that could be useful in future days, so I still would rather go ahead with an imperfect plan than not having one at all.

[murrayyyyy]

Checking in. Got 8000 notes on stuff to order so I'll check in as often as I can.

Since I didn't play in Vegas, did you guys try the sacrifice last time. I saw that someone suggested it but didn't know if it actually happened. I forgot to go back and keep reading it last week when the game wasn't playing.

[InBlue]

Hi guys. Just checking in.

[Chief Rum]

I don't understand your bolded statements (or agree with them if I do understand). A close vote today will still have an outcome (unless we tie, but we never do that). And it doesn't have any impact on Day 1 discussion, it just makes Day 0 Day 1 instead of today being mostly useless for information gathering.

However, there's an argument that not everyone will be around at the 'lynch' deadline, which means that those that aren't will not be able to coordinate their bets properly.

Still, I'd rather try and get something out of today rather than just let it go by without forcing people to make a stand that could be useful in future days, so I still would rather go ahead with an imperfect plan than not having one at all.

I understand that. I'm not saying there isn't value in this plan, but I question that it's in the best interests of the village longterm, with what the mafia can do with combining their monies. And remember, we have two wolf teams, each of which will benefit greatly from the additional money. I think this plan underestimates what the mafia will be able to do with this advantage.

And that's besides the inherent flaws I pointed out in the process itself, how we would be betting today, but the actual vote happens tomorrow (today's votes may not end up the same as tomorrow, if people don't show up or someone changes their mind, or the lynch candidate convinces us to vote otherwise).

[mauchow]

Murrayyyu got $8000 to start?

vote murrayyy

[path12]

Hi all, checking in. Busy today but since it's night 0 I guess that is fine.

[Narcizo]

I like the idea. It is guaranteed to make more profit for the village than the mob which we can't guarantee with any other method I can think of. Yeah it kills D1 voting, but it's either that or we have no D0 voting, so that's a wash.


This runs aground on the general inertia that the village displays whenever asked to co-ordinate anything. EVER.

AAAAND, more importantly, it doesn't help me with my bet.

[Narcizo]

Autumn, do we get any information about who has won a bet?

[murrayyyyy]

Murrayyyu got $8000 to start?

More than that at my finger tips but then again I just spent $1700 on Ty Beanie Ballz in licensed teams. People love these damn things. I don't get it but what do I care, it makes the stores money. I seem to do an order a week.

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-129348013119471_2256_377926720

[Autumn]

Autumn, do we get any information about who has won a bet?

You do not.

[bulletsponge]

i dont quiet understand the rules, do we buy "seering" ability for 1 night? do we ever make more $$?

[Narcizo]

Yes and you get more cash by correctly predicting the lynch victim.

[Darth Vilus]

checkin in. Lets do this

[DaddyTorgo]

Checking in - time to go read the rule set.

[fontisian]

I understand that. I'm not saying there isn't value in this plan, but I question that it's in the best interests of the village longterm, with what the mafia can do with combining their monies.
That depends on whether you think the wolves have better odds of manipulating the lynch to make money than the villagers have of guessing the correct lynch.

And remember, we have two wolf teams, each of which will benefit greatly from the additional money. I think this plan underestimates what the mafia will be able to do with this advantage.
I don't see how the seperate wolf teams makes evenly distributing the money a bad idea. Wont the wolf teams will be betting against each other as well as the village?

This runs aground on the general inertia that the village displays whenever asked to co-ordinate anything. EVER.
Three hours to deadline. Let's prove Narc wrong guys!

DaddyTorgo, Jackal and Zinto haven't checked in yet, and JAG has already voted for Jackal. So, I flipped a coin. Though, I am bothered by the way Narc dismissed the idea without considering its merits.

Vote DT

[fontisian]

Damn it DT.
Unvote DT
Vote Zinto

[Autumn]

I was going to tell you to bold your votes, Font, then I realized there's no vote today, so I don't care!

[fontisian]

Well, yeah. I didn't bold them because they aren't real votes.

[Zinto]

I am checking in!

[Danny]

I guess it could mean a portion or all of their winnings go to the mob, that actually seems most likely to me.

I like the idea. It is guaranteed to make more profit for the village than the mob which we can't guarantee with any other method I can think of. Yeah it kills D1 voting, but it's either that or we have no D0 voting, so that's a wash.

VOTE THE JACKAL

I was going to go Jackal. Havent really read throuh much ,super tired, but I think I am bettign JackAL

[Coffee Warlord]

Smart money is on someone with a vowel in their name.

[Autumn]

All bets are due in 45 minutes.

[fontisian]

Sigh. Can't say I didn't expect this to happen.

[Chief Rum]

I'll vote bullet, simply because of the seer sorta reveal in the last game. Probably not a way I would go normally, but we have nothing to go on so far.

VOTE BULLETSPONGR

[Autumn]

I sent out reminders to anyone who hasn't bet yet. I will be slightly flexible this deadline only since the game is just starting.

[The Jackal]

Checking in, just got back from hockey post-work. Tuesday and Thursday I work until 10 EST and Wednesday I've got an exercise class which I probably won't get back from until post-deadline. Will do my very best to have some activity during the day, but work probably won't allow much. :(

[Autumn]

I'll leave bets open until I go to bed, in a little bit from now. I will post at that point and open voting.

[Autumn]

Betting is over.

Day One has begun. you are now free to vote. Voting will end at 9 pm EST Tuesday.

Tuesday at about 9 am EST I will post the list of services that can be bid on during the day.

[mauchow]

vote font

[path12]

VOTE ZINTO

[Narcizo]

Prepare for everyone to put their votes where their bets are and nobody move them. :) Hope some people have betted on more than one person coz at the moment everyone is going to vote for the person they thought yesterday was most likely to get votes. So Danny should be safe.

Vote Britrock

[Narcizo]

Sorry Britrock I figured that people would be tired of voting Zinto on the first day, DV would get a "been away awhile and not around at deadline" pass and Jackal being discussed yesterday would put people off of him.

[Narcizo]

So, I flipped a coin. Though, I am bothered by the way Narc dismissed the idea without considering its merits.

Vote DT

Yeah! Right! If I was a wolf I wouldn't even mention your plan unless I could find a problem with it. ALL my experience of werewolf on this board tells me that any effort to coordinate village activity in this way is not going to work. What generally happens is that 3 or 4 active people agree on a plan, try to work said plan and then go after the people who they believe sabotaged the plan when it, inevitably, fails. Leaving the wolves alone because they just sit on the sidelines.

See one of Lathum games (WoW I think it was) for an example that borders on the realms of parody of this phenomenom.

[JAG]

I don't think it's necessarily a good idea for people to vote where they bet (which is why I haven't and am thinking about where I want to go). It tells the mob where the money is, which I don't think we would want them to know.

[Coffee Warlord]

I bet on everyone. I stand to make at LEAST 3 dollars.

[Autumn]

The day dawns in Atlantic City. There is a sense of possibility and of menace. The possibility of success beyond your wildest dreams or the possibility of despair like you've never felt. Anything is for sale here in the seaside city, including some things that really should not be. This city isn't what it could be. If you can rid it of the riffraff you know it could be a beautiful destination and not a den on iniquity.

Below are the services available on Day 1. Each player may send in one bid to me privately during the day. In your PM to me tell me what service you want to bid on and how much of your money you want to bid. If you win the auction you will spend that much money and receive the use of the service. if you lose, you will keep your money. You may not bid more money than you currently have (NOTE: this is a revision of the rules as originally posted).

ATLANTIC CITY SERVICES FOR HIRE

Mick "Stones" McGee - Hired muscle for the guy who wants some protection
Donna Black Investigations - When you need somebody checked out
Cookie's Ladies - Send somebody a "friend" to entertain them through the night
Sandy Back Messenger Service - When you need to send a message fast
Casino2Casino Wire Transfer - When you want to send a buck to a friend

BLACKMARKET SERVICES - HIRE AT YOUR OWN RISK
The Money Hole - money lending for the desperate gambler
Joe "Creaky" Reitzler - they say that Creaky will make a guy disappear for you

[Autumn]

Bidding is open until 9 pm, make sure you send in your bid by then - just one for one service (thought you're allowed to change your mind).

Voting also ends at 9 pm.

[The Jackal]

I don't think it's necessarily a good idea for people to vote where they bet (which is why I haven't and am thinking about where I want to go). It tells the mob where the money is, which I don't think we would want them to know.

Exactly

[Coffee Warlord]

The hookers are mine! MINE!

[The Jackal]

VOTE CW

[Coffee Warlord]

Clearly Jackal hates me for my hookers.

[The Jackal]

Mafioso like their ladies of the night

[fontisian]

Yeah! Right! If I was a wolf I wouldn't even mention your plan unless I could find a problem with it. ALL my experience of werewolf on this board tells me that any effort to coordinate village activity in this way is not going to work. What generally happens is that 3 or 4 active people agree on a plan, try to work said plan and then go after the people who they believe sabotaged the plan when it, inevitably, fails. Leaving the wolves alone because they just sit on the sidelines.

See one of Lathum games (WoW I think it was) for an example that borders on the realms of parody of this phenomenom.
You could have at least tried to help rather than dismissing the idea out of hand. Meh, your attitude towards it bothers more than anything else. Predicting that something won't work due to everyone's inability to coordinate is a self-fullfilling prophesy. It's not scummy per se, just annoying.

I don't think it's necessarily a good idea for people to vote where they bet (which is why I haven't and am thinking about where I want to go). It tells the mob where the money is, which I don't think we would want them to know.
Are you just worried about making wealthier people attractive night kill targets, or is there something else that I'm missing?

[mauchow]

I didn't vote on my bet. And I only bet on one player. I may as well try to hit big with it.

My bet was based on some algorithms I put together for the last 100 games of WW. Yeeaaahh..no I didn't.

[mauchow]

Font, its a decent idea in theory. There is nothing wrong with trying to come up with ideas.

[JAG]

Are you just worried about making wealthier people attractive night kill targets, or is there something else that I'm missing?

Yes, a villager who's wealthy is akin to a roled villager, so they would be an attractive target all things being equal. Also, there was a service last time that allowed you to steal from another player, though at least this first day there does not appear to be such a service, it's still something to be aware of.

[DaddyTorgo]

I only put down one bet, and I have no intention of voting where my bet was just because my bet was there. I just picked who I thought was a likely D1 target frankly.

I've got a pretty busy day today (calls @ 11:30 and 3 and plenty of work to do between, and then a meeting with a financial planner @4 and hopefully get my ass to the gym after that) so I might be scarce until around 7pm EDT.

[Narcizo]

You could have at least tried to help rather than dismissing the idea out of hand. Meh, your attitude towards it bothers more than anything else. Predicting that something won't work due to everyone's inability to coordinate is a self-fullfilling prophesy. It's not scummy per se, just annoying.


Yeah I understand that - I've been on the other side of the fence a few times before. Bottom line was that I didn't have the time to consider your plan carefully for my own benefit and past experience told me it wasn't worth trying to get other people onboard/convince people not to bother on day 0 even if it turned out to be a good idea. (I'm still a bit unsure of the validity of it).

Yes, I've become lazy in my old age. And then I'll moan about the lack of activity. So, yes, I'm a lazy hypocrite. Sorry. :redface:

:)

[Chief Rum]

Yeah! Right! If I was a wolf I wouldn't even mention your plan unless I could find a problem with it. ALL my experience of werewolf on this board tells me that any effort to coordinate village activity in this way is not going to work. What generally happens is that 3 or 4 active people agree on a plan, try to work said plan and then go after the people who they believe sabotaged the plan when it, inevitably, fails. Leaving the wolves alone because they just sit on the sidelines.

See one of Lathum games (WoW I think it was) for an example that borders on the realms of parody of this phenomenom.

This mirrors my thinking on the process, as I laid out yesterday. I also felt and still feel that all of us "winning" in the long run helps the two mafia families more, because of their ability to transfer money and to plan their bids silently.

[Chief Rum]

I don't think it's necessarily a good idea for people to vote where they bet (which is why I haven't and am thinking about where I want to go). It tells the mob where the money is, which I don't think we would want them to know.

Isn't that essentially the concept you defended with font's plan? Although, I suppose, if we had followed the plan and all won money today, short of someone doing something silly with their bet, we would all be equally wealthy and your concern would be mitigated.

[Chief Rum]

I spread my bet around. I would rather take the better shot at a little money than role the longer odds for the bigger payday. In the end, I don't think the odds work out. If I bet on 3-5 lynch candidates per day, I'll probably get 2-3 hits across the whole game, while it is likely I won't get a single hit betting on one every day.

This of course is outside of days where we have an obvious lynch candidate or two. When that happens it's much easier for all of us to win that one.

[JAG]

Isn't that essentially the concept you defended with font's plan? Although, I suppose, if we had followed the plan and all won money today, short of someone doing something silly with their bet, we would all be equally wealthy and your concern would be mitigated.

You answered it yourself. If we had all spread the wealth around, it wouldn't have mattered. Now that we don't know who bet on who, there's more of a chance the wealth will be more concentrated.

[britrock88]

Any idea how much money is out there to be won with lynch bets?

[mauchow]

Well I supose it will be kept a secret for the most part. We won't know who else won the bets so you're pretty much going to be going on your own unless people will want to divulge..doubtful

[britrock88]

Yeah. Just thought it would help to know how much our $1000 that we start with is worth in the context of bet payouts.

[Autumn]

Day 1 Voting

Fontisian - mauchow (103)
Zinto - path12 (104)
Britrock88 - narcizo (105)
Coffee Warlord - The Jackal (114)

[path12]

To be contrary, I did put my bet on Zinto and that's why I voted for him.

Well, that and his boxy pinstripe Men's Warehouse suit, fedora, sunglasses and that scar along his cheek. I don't want to know what is in the violin case.

[path12]

But. Turns out I got my bet in too late so it doesn't matter.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote DaddyTorgo

[JAG]

Vote Coffee Warlord

[Coffee Warlord]

I see the spread of communism is still rampant.

[bulletsponge]

Vote JAG

why not

[fontisian]

Day 1 Voting

Coffee Warlord 2 - The Jackal (114), JAG (134)
fontisian 1 - mauchow (103)
Zinto 1 - path12 (104)
Britrock88 1 - narcizo (105)
DaddyTorgo 1 - Coffee Warlord (133)
JAG 1 - bulletsponge (136)

[fontisian]

Now, should I consolidate or introduce a new lynch candidate?

Vote bulletsponge
Why not, indeed.

[Darth Vilus]

Jesus so many people to choose from

[Darth Vilus]

Vote Jag

[Autumn]

Day 1 Voting

1 Fontisian --------- mauchow (103)
1 Zinto -------------- path12 (104)
1 Britrock88 -------- narcizo (105)
2 Coffee Warlord - The Jackal (114), JAG (134)
1 DaddyTorgo ----- Coffee Warlord (133)
2 JAG ---------------- bulletsponge (136), Darth Vilus (140)
1 bulletsponge ---- fontisian (138)

[path12]

UNVOTE ZINTO
VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[path12]

Consolidation. A little bit anyway.

[InBlue]

VOTE JAG

Also, sorry for not being more active. Forgive me, I'm new.

[Chief Rum]

I can get behind a bullet vote for the reason I stated yesterday when voting him (the reveal snafu in the last game).

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[britrock88]

I'll offer up another counter-intuitive non-revealer from among the candidates...

Vote DaddyTorgo

[Autumn]

In answer to some questions I've been getting about the betting - you all do not know what the prize money is or any particulars on it. However, you do know that every winner receives a share of the prize money, and so therefore the more winners the smaller their slices of the pie.

[Danny]

Im confused, we bit for services before the lynch? How will I know if I have any money?

[JAG]

For a boring D1 post-wise, the votes are kind of interesting.

[Danny]

Looking at the votes real quick, I am not voting for Jag, I dont think ill ever vote for Jag day 1

[JAG]

Im confused, we bit for services before the lynch? How will I know if I have any money?

You can't bet more than you have, so you bet with whatever you started the day with.

[Zinto]

Yeah I am quickly in then out and I might not be back so

Vote DT

[Danny]

What did I start the day with? Was this a post? Sorry haven't been bale to do much yet

[DaddyTorgo]

I'll offer up another counter-intuitive non-revealer from among the candidates...

Vote DaddyTorgo

Non-revealer? I posted earlier that I had a busy day and wasn't going to be around. Just sat down at my computer after dinner and catching up.

[DaddyTorgo]

self defense at this point

VOTE COFFEE WARLORD

[fontisian]

Looking at the votes real quick, I am not voting for Jag, I dont think ill ever vote for Jag day 1
This. I've said this before (as scum actually), but JAG is not a good day 1 target.

Non-revealer? I posted earlier that I had a busy day and wasn't going to be around. Just sat down at my computer after dinner and catching up.
He's referring to previous games.

[Danny]

Non-revealer? I posted earlier that I had a busy day and wasn't going to be around. Just sat down at my computer after dinner and catching up.

At least you went from being referred to as a female to a non revealer.

[fontisian]

Votes:
3 Coffee Warlord - The Jackal (114), JAG (134), DaddyTorgo (155)
3 DaddyTorgo ---- Coffee Warlord (133), Britrock88 (146), Zinto (152)
3 JAG ------------ bulletsponge (136), Darth Vilus (140), InBlue (144)
3 bulletsponge ---- fontisian (138), path12 (142), Chief Rum (145)
1 Fontisian ------- mauchow (103)
1 Britrock88 ------ narcizo (105)

DT: How was that vote self-defense?

[DaddyTorgo]

Votes:
3 Coffee Warlord - The Jackal (114), JAG (134), DaddyTorgo (155)
3 DaddyTorgo ---- Coffee Warlord (133), Britrock88 (146), Zinto (152)
3 JAG ------------ bulletsponge (136), Darth Vilus (140), InBlue (144)
3 bulletsponge ---- fontisian (138), path12 (142), Chief Rum (145)
1 Fontisian ------- mauchow (103)
1 Britrock88 ------ narcizo (105)

DT: How was that vote self-defense?

I must have been working off an earlier vote-count...I didn't realize jag and bullet had 3 each also.

[DaddyTorgo]

I must have been working off an earlier vote-count...I didn't realize jag and bullet had 3 each also.

That being said - it does leave us with some interesting choices to be made.

Or maybe I'm a wolf and both of the other guys with 3 votes are also so I'm trying to push votes away from them.

Which seems more plausible? LOL

[Coffee Warlord]

Well jeez. I have votes!

[Danny]

I will be the one to decide things and take all the heat!

Just not sure where to go between DT, Coffee and Bullet

[Danny]

Alright, going this way for now, but my switch

vote coffee

[Coffee Warlord]

Danny's so gonna cut off his post count competition early.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ha! SEE!

[Danny]

Ive been around for like 20 minutes this game and I still have more posts then all other players lol

[Coffee Warlord]

Yeah, I was busy at work this afternoon. I can fix that problem now, though.

[JAG]

That being said - it does leave us with some interesting choices to be made.

Or maybe I'm a wolf and both of the other guys with 3 votes are also so I'm trying to push votes away from them.

Which seems more plausible? LOL

Can I get odds on that?

[Coffee Warlord]

Give ya a ham if you guys move to DT.

[Coffee Warlord]

Who doesn't like ham?

[Danny]

Is a ham some sort of kinky sexual act? If not, then I am not interested.

[Coffee Warlord]

Better you not know.

[Coffee Warlord]

Tie votes will be settled by an unknown betting mechanic.

Quoting in case it matters to people's decisions.

[DaddyTorgo]

Give ya a ham if you guys move to DT.

I didn't know there was ham involved...I just might take you up on that!! :lol:

[Coffee Warlord]

For you sir, it could be TWO hams.

[murrayyyyy]

Finally caught up I think, checking to make sure another vote didn't come in while I got something to drink.

[fontisian]

Don't trust Coffee to deliver on the ham. I have still not recieved my promised cheese.

[murrayyyyy]

DT, CF or Jag...

I've gone ennie meenie miney moe... seriously, I have no clue how to pick out of you three, I suck at reading all three of you.

vote JAG

[DaddyTorgo]

Don't trust Coffee to deliver on the ham. I have still not recieved my promised cheese.
:eek:

[Danny]

Eh, I dont understand the day 1 Jag votes. Lets not do the gangsters work for them

[JAG]

They might be trying to do their own work without paying for it.

[murrayyyyy]

Eh, I dont understand the day 1 Jag votes. Lets not do the gangsters work for them

I made too many last votes in the last game, someone else can be the one to do it this game. I don't want that pressure anymore. I tried for a game and it's not fun.

[Danny]

right now Jag cant switch to put someone in the lead, but Coffee can, so as of now Jag is the lynch choice, so you just decided it Murray!

[InBlue]

Since the controversy...
Unvote JAG
Vote DT

[JAG]

It's day 1, not much I can say other than D0 I was eager to jump on a plan that should have had a net positive outcome for the village and gave away some voting information by voting Jackal before anyone else put a vote down. On Day 1, I think that should at least be something to give people pause about voting me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Don't trust Coffee to deliver on the ham. I have still not recieved my promised cheese.

I DIED YOU FOOL!

[murrayyyyy]

right now Jag cant switch to put someone in the lead, but Coffee can, so as of now Jag is the lynch choice, so you just decided it Murray!

I missed your vote for Coffee. I thought I was deciding between 3's. $%#^&*^%*&#^ :banghead:

[Coffee Warlord]

So is it 4-4 me and DT?

[murrayyyyy]

think so coffee...

[JAG]

For what it's worth, my ultimate goal was not to do the plan as outlined, but instead argue for making it a regular Day 1. No one would have gained money (presumably) and we would've had an extra day of voting information.

[JAG]

Unvote Coffee
Vote bulletsponge

To mix stuff up and because he didn't vote me.

[Coffee Warlord]

DT 4, Bullet 4, Jag 3, Me 3. I think.

[DaddyTorgo]

self defense

UNVOTE COFFEE WARLORD

VOTE BULLETSPONGE

[Coffee Warlord]

Remember also, 8:59 counts, 9:00 does not.

[fontisian]

I DIED YOU FOOL!
Wolves, I promise you a piece of cheese if you kill Danny tonight!
We killed Danny that night. I like Manchego.

[Coffee Warlord]

We killed Danny that night. I like Manchego.

Manchego (officially Queso Manchego) is a cheese made in the La Mancha region of Spain from the milk of sheep of the Manchega breed. Official Manchego cheese is to be aged for between 60 days and two years.

You gotta be patient! TWO YEARS MAN!

[JAG]

We killed Danny that night. I like Manchego.

Manchego rocks, good call.

[Coffee Warlord]

C'mon people, Coffee wants to get paid. Vote DT!

[Autumn]

Catching up on the vote count, one moment.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hmph. Just gonna hafta double my bet next time to make up for the loss.

[fontisian]

You should have bet on everyone.

[Autumn]

Day 1 Voting

1 Fontisian -------- mauchow (103)
1 Britrock88 ------- narcizo (105)
2 Coffee Warlord - The Jackal (114), danny (163)
4 DaddyTorgo ----- Coffee Warlord (133), britrock88 (146), zinto (153), Inblue (184)
3 JAG -------------- bulletsponge (136), Darth Vilus (140), murrayyy (178)
5 bulletsponge ---- fontisian (138), path12 (142), chief rum (145), JAG (191), daddytorgo (193)

[Autumn]

This is what I have.

[Autumn]

Everybody knows there's rotten folk in the city, and you're determined to get rid of them. Maybe you don't have much evidence one way or the other but sometimes you gotta play a hunch. Today the best bet seems Bulletsponge. With a name like that, the guy's gotta be packing heat, right?

Bullet gets hauled in by the Atlantic City PD. He's going to be sitting on ice for quite a while. Trouble is, word on the street is that the DA's going to have egg in his face. Bulletsponge was nothing more than your regular, everyday barber. Maybe he had a bit of a gambling problem, but doesn't everyone?

Bulletsponge was a Resident.

[Autumn]

Night One is beginning. I will be processing bids and bets.

[mauchow]

Ah! Forgot to check back in before deadljne.. sorry. Tucking lil guy in And gettin leah ready.

If it wasn't obvious my vote was on who I bid on. Oh well. I was gonna peetend there was no way nobody would vote that quickly for their bid.

Oh well.

[fontisian]

Ah! Forgot to check back in before deadljne.. sorry. Tucking lil guy in And gettin leah ready.

If it wasn't obvious my vote was on who I bid on. Oh well. I was gonna peetend there was no way nobody would vote that quickly for their bid.

Oh well.
Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line.

Bullet: Sorry about leading the lynch, man.

[Autumn]

Day 1 Service Costs

Below you can see what were the winning bids on today's services.

Mick "Stones" McGee - $0
Donna Black Investigations - $1000
Cookie's Ladies - $277
Sandy Back Messenger Service - $0
Casino2Casino Wire Transfer - $27

BLACKMARKET SERVICES - HIRE AT YOUR OWN RISK
The Money Hole - $402
Joe "Creaky" Reitzler - $350

[The Jackal]

My goodness, I wonder who bought the seer

[mauchow]

I got the wire transfer. Woot!

[mauchow]

And no bg winner for the village.. sheesh.

[Autumn]

I believe that all winning bets and bids have been processed. If you think I've made a mistake, let me know.

Night One has begun. Please begin placing your bets on tomorrow's lynch. All bets are due by 9 AM EST.

[mauchow]

If we could have bid on multiple items I would have put at least 25 on all to ensure stuff got bid on..damn.

[JAG]

That's probably why he put that restriction in there, makes things more challenging. That said, shame on us (villagers). Hell, I would've bought the night kill if I had known the bad guys wouldn't put in a properly decent bid for it. Maybe I'll do that next time.

[bulletsponge]

Day 1 Service Costs

Below you can see what were the winning bids on today's services.

Mick "Stones" McGee - $0
Donna Black Investigations - $1000
Cookie's Ladies - $277
Sandy Back Messenger Service - $0
Casino2Casino Wire Transfer - $27

BLACKMARKET SERVICES - HIRE AT YOUR OWN RISK
The Money Hole - $402
Joe "Creaky" Reitzler - $350


its probably best that i died, i had no idea what any of that means or is

[The Jackal]

that's one of the things that makes this game so cool since there aren't traditional role mechanisms and they can shift owners each night.

i seem to recall in the last game the money investigator ended up being huge late in the game trying to find someone who was lying about how much cash they had on hand

[britrock88]

Non-revealer? I posted earlier that I had a busy day and wasn't going to be around. Just sat down at my computer after dinner and catching up.

I'm talking about that one game a couple months ago where you were on the block for the first 3 days as seer and never revealed, and the tie-breaking gods smote me and CR for trying to ride it out. :mad:

[britrock88]

DT, CF or Jag...

I wish we were trying to have to read CF right now... :(

[murrayyyyy]

I wish we were trying to have to read CF right now... :(

I realized it after I typed it...

[Chief Rum]

I'm talking about that one game a couple months ago where you were on the block for the first 3 days as seer and never revealed, and the tie-breaking gods smote me and CR for trying to ride it out. :mad:

Haha that sucked. We were going good, too! Lol

[path12]

Manchego (officially Queso Manchego) is a cheese made in the La Mancha region of Spain from the milk of sheep of the Manchega breed. Official Manchego cheese is to be aged for between 60 days and two years.

You gotta be patient! TWO YEARS MAN!

Just two and a half weeks using yak's milk.

[Narcizo]

Day One

#103 11:13 mauchow votes fontisian (1)
#104 00:40 path12 votes Zinto (1)
#105 07:58 narcizo votes britrock (1)
#114 09:40 Jackal votes Coffee (1)
#133 13:57 Coffee votes DaddyTorgo (1)
#134 14:25 JAG votes Coffee (2)
#136 15:45 Bullet votes JAG (1)
#138 16:01 fontisian votes Bullet (1)
#140 16:11 Darth Vilus votes JAG (2)
#142 16:51 Path unvotes Zinto (0), votes Bullet (2)
#144 16:53 InBlue votes JAG (3)

#145 16:56 Chief votes Bullet (3)
#146 17:18 Brit votes DT (2)
#152 19:07 Zinto votes DT (3)
#155 19:49 DT votes COffee (3)
#163 20:16 Danny votes Coffee (4)
#178 20:32 murra5y votes JAG (4)
#184 20:40 InBlue unvotes JAG (3), Votes DT (4)
#191 20:46 JAG unvotes Coffee (3), votes Bullet (4)
#193 20:52 DT unvotes Coffee (3), votes Bullet (5)

1 Fontisian -------- mauchow (103)
1 Britrock88 ------- narcizo (105)
2 Coffee Warlord - The Jackal (114), danny (163)
4 DaddyTorgo ----- Coffee Warlord (133), britrock88 (146), zinto (153), Inblue (184)
3 JAG -------------- bulletsponge (136), Darth Vilus (140), murrayyy (178)
5 bulletsponge ---- fontisian (138), path12 (142), chief rum (145), JAG (191), daddytorgo (193)

[Narcizo]

No reason not to stick that up before deadline methinks. It can be edited with extra colour afterwards.

Don't really know what you can read into the votes. One thing I've been thinking is that in this sort of game if I was a wolf I'd be much more likely to vote to save a team-mate, for two reasons.
1) Assuming there are three wolves they are 13:3, with another team that might co-ordinate against them. They're going to need to cover their butts. And they get extra value from having more team-mates alive because of the sharing of resources, ability to coordinate bets etc etc.
2) Voting a team-mate isn't going to prevent them from being nightkilled if the other team get the hitman. In fact if they get trust that way they might be more likely to be taken out.

So in recent games there's been a lot of hot wolf-on-wolf voting. There might be this game as well, but I think there will be less team-mate vs team-mate voting. Unless the wolf is a usual seer scan target (Danny, Chief, JAG) - in which case they might reckon on being scanned and try to get trust for a team-mate.

[JAG]

I agree Narc. The other thing is just because someone votes a wolf doesn't mean they aren't on the other team. I think last go-around with this rule set I used orange for one mobster color and red for another to keep straight who voted for which wolf team.

[JAG]

Also, if I'm still alive, I'll be out a good chunk of the morning at a meeting.

[Autumn]

Sorry, late morning with my kids. Going to get caught up now and start processing results.

[Autumn]

Dawn breaks on Atlantic City. There is hope and there is worry. People hit the boardwalk and the beach and the casinos, grabbing the newspaper as they do so. It seems like a quiet night in the city. No big news to report. Happy Gambling!

[Autumn]

Voting is open. Day 2 Services will be listed momentarily.

[JAG]

Very interesting, especially since we know no one won the BG. Last game when I won the night kill as a villager and used it on a mobster, the guy wouldn't make the kill because he was afraid of mob retribution. I wonder if that's what happened here.

[mauchow]

If that's the case that villager needs to come out immediately.

[mauchow]

Well maybe not immediately but sometime today after votes.

[Autumn]

There's even more services for sale today in the seaside city. Send in your bid for one service to me privately. All bids are due by 9 pm EST.

DAY TWO SERVICES FOR HIRE

Mick "Stones" McGee - Hired muscle for the guy who wants some protection
Donna Black Investigations - When you need somebody checked out
Cookie's Ladies - Send somebody a "friend" to entertain them through the night
Sandy Back Messenger Service - When you need to send a message fast
Casino2Casino Wire Transfer - When you want to send a buck to a friend
Eternity Investments - Put some money away for a rainy day
Freddie von Maur, Casino Manager - having a friend in the House pays off

BLACKMARKET SERVICES - HIRE AT YOUR OWN RISK
The Money Hole - money lending for the desperate gambler
Joe "Creaky" Reitzler - they say that Creaky will make a guy disappear for you
"Smiling Jane" Smith - her light fingers will dip in someone's wallet for you
Jameson Gundy, DA - a crooked DA can clean your record up like new

[Chief Rum]

Well, I can't speak tot he mystery of the missing nightkill, but I was the one who bought the seer.

It appears that Mr. JAG is squeaky clean. Actually the investigator specifically stated he spent the night "trimming his nails."

I feel much better knowing I don't have to worry about JAG as mafia.

[JAG]

Pretty funny. For those who weren't around in the first game, I bought the seer the first day and scanned Chief, who was clear.

[Chief Rum]

Pretty funny. For those who weren't around in the first game, I bought the seer the first day and scanned Chief, who was clear.

That's funny. I completely forgot about that.

[Coffee Warlord]

I find it moderately odd Danny didn't switch his vote last night, when it moved away from me. He usually gets into the mix.

[path12]

I am suspicious of buying a seer scan. It strikes me as the easiest way for a wolf to find some cover.

How much weight should we put on the scan that Chief bought? Wouldn't that be the first service I'd be hiring as a bad guy?

Dunno. It's a half clear at most for me.

[Coffee Warlord]

While I agree, I also daresay it's going to be a tough, tough road to victory if we second guess everyone who buys the seer.

[Coffee Warlord]

Half clear was kinda where I was positioned there as well.

[Coffee Warlord]

TOO QUIET.

[Chief Rum]

I am suspicious of buying a seer scan. It strikes me as the easiest way for a wolf to find some cover.

How much weight should we put on the scan that Chief bought? Wouldn't that be the first service I'd be hiring as a bad guy?

Dunno. It's a half clear at most for me.

If I were you, I would feel the same way. Seer clears are way different in this game than other games. I don't really expect anyone to accept it until they feel okay about me. For me, it was worth it to know that JAG is clear, so I at least feel I can trust him.

[path12]

It would be nice if there was a way to coordinate so the seer and whoever buys the scan for the day don't end up scanning the same person but I can't think of a good way to do that.

[path12]

Or maybe it's best this way -- if a wolf buys the scan and clears someone who isn't then the regular seer could catch it out? There is a regular seer as well right?

Off to the rules again.

[path12]

ROLES

The game will consist of villagers, and two separate groups of mafia. For the most part, villagers and wolves will be vanilla only, with services (see below) replacing the abilities of typical Werewolf roles.


Oh. Well then. Never mind my last post.

[Chief Rum]

Heh... I was starting to wonder what you were on. :)

Yeah, no dice there with a regular seer.

[JAG]

Wow, no votes and only a handful of posts.

I am suspicious of buying a seer scan. It strikes me as the easiest way for a wolf to find some cover.

How much weight should we put on the scan that Chief bought? Wouldn't that be the first service I'd be hiring as a bad guy?

Dunno. It's a half clear at most for me.

I trust his scan.

In all seriousness, while it doesn't say anything about Chief, I think you can make a decent argument I'm a good bit more likely to be a villager than not given the scan result. The one disconcerting thing could be that Chirf and I are teammates, but given I would then be a likely NK target for the other team and my death would then lead to his death, that doesn't seem to be a high reward play.

[mauchow]

Obvious route is to look at jag voters

[mauchow]

So its murrayyy or dv for me.

vote murrayyy

Was not my bet.. damn it!

[Narcizo]

Obvious route is to look at jag voters

Why not Bullet voters?

[murrayyyyy]

Was not my bet.. damn it!

At least you put in a bet... :banghead:

I'll be silent for 4 more hours probably and then try to catch up. Nothing like being the only one with brain cells this week at work.