The next Batman and Superman movie

[Matthean]

will be one and the same. It would be nice if the recent Superman movie went over much better.

Superman, Batman to unite on the big screen, Warner Bros. says - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/20/showbiz/comic-con-superman-batman/index.html?hpt=hp_t3)

This summer's Superman blockbuster is getting a sequel -- and it's going to unite the Man of Steel with the Caped Crusader for the first time on the big screen.
Warner Bros. Pictures announced Saturday at Comic-Con that Superman will pair with his fellow Justice League hero Batman in the upcoming yet-to-be-named film, expected to begin production in 2014.

"Man of Steel" director Zack Snyder will direct the film, and current Superman Henry Cavill will star, Warner Bros. said. The new Batman has yet to be cast.
Snyder's reimagining of Superman in "Man of Steel" broke the record for the biggest June opening, taking in $125.1 million in its first weekend. It has since raked in a total of $630 million worldwide, Warner Bros. said.

"Superman and Batman together on the big screen is a dream come true for DC (Comics) fans everywhere," said Diane Nelson, president of DC Entertainment.
Snyder told Comic-Con fans he's excited to work with Cavill again and take the story to the next chapter.

"It's beyond mythological to have Superman and our new Batman facing off, since they are the greatest superheroes in the world," he said.

Snyder strongly hinted that the heroes will be rivals in the movie.

CNN partner Entertainment Weekly reported that "Man of Steel" actor Harry Lennix took the stage with Snyder and read a line from Frank Miller's 1986 book, "The Dark Knight Returns," in which Batman wages battle with the man from Krypton.

"I want you to remember, Clark. In all the years to come. In all your most private moments. I want you to remember my hand at your throat. I want you to remember the one man who beat you," Lennix read from the book.

Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane also return for the new film, Warner Bros. said.

Christian Bale, who starred as Batman in three film installments of "The Dark Knight," told Entertainment Weekly this month that he wouldn't be starring in a fourth. "Dark Knight" director Christopher Nolan also said he wasn't opting for a fourth movie in the franchise, the magazine said.

Nolan will, however, have a hand in the upcoming Superman-Batman film -- he's serving as one of the executive producers, Warner Bros. said.
Warner Bros. and DC Comics, the publisher of "Superman" titles, are both units of Time Warner, CNN's parent company.

[Groundhog]

It's going to be tough to pull off, but fingers crossed... I'm most looking forward to a potential Flash film TBH, but bring on Justice League already!

[TargetPractice6]

Some early story boards were leaked:

http://www.epiclol.com/cdn/pictures/2012/06/batman-vs-superman_1338542678_epiclolcom.jpg

[larrymcg421]

Zack Snyder again. Too bad.

[Grover]

Zack Snyder again. Too bad.

Agreed.

I can't picture who can best Bale as Batman and especially as Bruce Wayne...

[chinaski]

Ive always hated the juxtaposition of superman/batman. And with Snyder directing, I have zero hope for this :/

[Autumn]

Agreed.

I can't picture who can best Bale as Batman and especially as Bruce Wayne...

They'll have to go a very distinctly different direction with Batman I think to make it not as comparable. Which is good, because the Batman you want in a Batman/Superman teamup is very different than what you want in a Batman-centered story, I think. I'm hoping they go that World's Finest sort of angle rather than the Frank Miller angle. That would be really bad I think.

[law90026]

I kinda wish they wouldn't go with a rival story. The Batman/Superman comics are actually really good (I think) and they show a really interesting interaction between the 2 iconic heroes.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I am not sure where all the Zack Snyder hate comes from.

I thought "Man of Steel" was decent. I loved Snyder's "Dawn of the Dead." I really liked "300" and "Watchmen" as well. I have never been able to watch all of "Sucker Punch", because it is so very, very horrible. It's a shit film. I never saw his animated owl movie.

So, even if we assume his animated owl movie sucks, 4 out of 6 aint bad.

[korme]

Newb question: Why would Batman or Superman dislike one another? Aren't they all for the same kind of good?

[Matthean]

Newb question: Why would Batman or Superman dislike one another? Aren't they all for the same kind of good?

I think it mostly has to do with their stark difference in personalities and sometimes they rub each other the wrong way even though they have mutual respect for each other. Superman gave Bruce kryptonite just in case since Superman knew Bruce would be the one person smart enough to stop him if need be.

[sovereignstar v2]

Newb question: Why would Batman or Superman dislike one another? Aren't they all for the same kind of good?

Batman gave Lois Lane herpes and shit just blew up from there.

[BillJasper]

Batman gave Lois Lane herpes and shit just blew up from there.

:lol:

I loved Man of Steel and disliked the Dark Knight trilogy, so I'll just have to wait and see how this all turns out.

[Groundhog]

I have a friend who has been a hardcore Superman comic guy for a long, long time, and he thought that Snyder just got the character completely wrong and hated it, and that the editing was terrible (he gave me very detailed examples that I will keep an eye out for next time). This is pretty funny, and also sums up why my mate thinks they got it wrong:

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[Autumn]

:lol:

I loved Man of Steel and disliked the Dark Knight trilogy, so I'll just have to wait and see how this all turns out.

I'm sure this Batman will be nothing like the Dark Knight version.

[Izulde]

300 and Watchmen were both terrible movies, esp. 300.

[Autumn]

Newb question: Why would Batman or Superman dislike one another? Aren't they all for the same kind of good?

The normal scenario is that they work together, and that is what I hope they would depict in the story. However, it's typical in any "teamup" to have the heroes fight at first, so that's one reason they might. The ohter reason is pure fanservice -- people like X vs Y like "would superman beat batman?" or whatever, and so Superman and Batman is This is fueled by several instance sin teh comics where they've come to fight, particularly Dark Knight Returns, which they quoted in the conference. Batman's sort of the ultimate underdog, and so the idea of him taking on the golden boy and all his powers is a sort of fan favorite.

That said I sure hope they don't do it other than perhaps some sort of brief altercation. Focus on the friendship. If they make other movies they can build up to a fun faceoff down the line. but hollywood almost always blows their load too quick so I expect we'll get a stupid fight in this film.

[Neuqua]

Well, according to David Goyer (who helped write the Dark Knight Trilogy and wrote Man of Steel), they're tentatively naming the next film Batman vs. Superman so, uh, sorry Autumn.

[Autumn]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/skippy37/IGN/BatmanFacepalm.jpg

[Autumn]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_uSi9VnXBLM/UUzWb4vnb7I/AAAAAAAADs8/02AAXSe4Mzc/s400/superman_facepalm.jpg

[Autumn]

It seems obvious to me that such a showdown becomes much more interesting after a movie or two of the two working together. You know they're friends, you know what they've been through, you know how well they know each other. And now because of (insert menace here which turns one of them bad) they have to face each other! Sometimes I wish I could make all Hollywood producers disappear.

[Swaggs]

The new Batman is.... Ben Affleck.

Ben Affleck Is Batman | Variety (http://variety.com/2013/film/news/ben-affleck-is-the-new-batman-1200586881/)

Pretty good pick, I think. Some mention that his involvement could lead to his directing a Justice League movie.

[Danny]

So Matt Damon as superman?

[Danny]

Oh and this new movie is going to be awful. THank goodness for the Avangers / THor / Captain / Iron Man movies

[Matthean]

Maybe he's got something in him to pull this off, but I would much rather see him being behind the camera instead of it front of it.

[SackAttack]

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[Julio Riddols]

HOLY FUCK, the same guy that brought Daredevil to life so vividly! Perfect choice.

Now if he were directing, I might see that as potentially good.

[Izulde]

Yeah the Facebook reactions seem to be mostly horror from my little corner of the social media world, but I loved Affleck as Daredevil. I also think he can't be much worse than Bale as Batman, who I didn't like at all in the role.

Overall, the contemporary Batman films are noted for odd and/or poor casting for the role, so at absolute worst, it's par for the course.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Affleck is Batman?

What's next, Hillary Clinton as Wonder Woman? Carrot Top as Hulk?

[larrymcg421]

The good thing about Affleck as Batman is that I can now avoid the movie. If they had actually cast someone good in the role, then I might be suckered into seeing more Zack Snyder nonsense.

[sterlingice]

Affleck is Batman?

What's next, Hillary Clinton as Wonder Woman? Carrot Top as Hulk?

"You won't like me when I'm ang-- actually, you just won't like me."


SI

[A-Husker-4-Life]

I guess they could have made a worse decision:

Tom Cruise as the batman or Will Smith

[chadritt]

Or a gay cowboy as the joker...or a Disney movie Princess as Catwoman...or a Newsie as Batman.

[chadritt]

Dola - or even worse they could have gotten the last John Connor as Batman. I mean...Terminator 4 was a disgrace to a once beloved franchise.

[sterlingice]

Dola - or even worse they could have gotten the last John Connor as Batman. I mean...Terminator 4 was a disgrace to a once beloved franchise.

I thought Terminator 3 was even worse, frankly.

SI

[chadritt]

it at least had a better ending.

[Julio Riddols]

Affleck is Batman?

What's next, Hillary Clinton as Wonder Woman? Carrot Top as Hulk?

Carrot top as Inspector Gadget though... I think that would be awesome.

[mckerney]

Most disappointing super hero casting since the guy who isn't Donald Glover was chosen to play Spiderman.

But really I probably wouldn't have seen the movie either way so I guess I don't really care.

[Matthean]

Or a gay cowboy as the joker...or a Disney movie Princess as Catwoman...or a Newsie as Batman.

I think the difference in all of those cases the person had legitimate acting skills. Ben doesn't have near the resume.

[chadritt]

except there was no difference, the castings were mostly met with hatred. Ledger in particular was considered to be an awful choice, though a lot of that just seemed straight up homophobic. Besides, Id argue Affleck has been a pretty good actor the last 6 or 7 years.

[Julio Riddols]

In movies he directs, he does fine.

[Draft Dodger]

honestly, if he doesn't do that horrible need-to-cough-so-bad voice that Christian Bale felt the need to do, he'll be fine.

[Matthean]

though a lot of that just seemed straight up homophobic.

Even though he wasn't gay? I actually thought he was a great pick for the role.

[Groundhog]

It seems I'm the only person in the world who thinks Affleck could be an OK Batman.

[Neon_Chaos]

I think he deserves a chance.

[SteveMax58]

honestly, if he doesn't do that horrible need-to-cough-so-bad voice that Christian Bale felt the need to do, he'll be fine.

I actually liked Bale as Bruce Wayne but yeah his Batman voice absolutely pisses me off when I hear it.

Affleck? Meh....he's too old for the role to me. I'm sure he'll do a serviceable job with it but kind of reminds me of George Clooney as Batman...only without Clooney's screen presence.

[Danny]

Wow, I loved Bale as Batman / Bruce.

[Neuqua]

I actually liked Bale as Bruce Wayne but yeah his Batman voice absolutely pisses me off when I hear it.

Affleck? Meh....he's too old for the role to me. I'm sure he'll do a serviceable job with it but kind of reminds me of George Clooney as Batman...only without Clooney's screen presence.

The story for this one (supposedly) is that Batman is older. Possibly even retired.

[sterlingice]

It seems I'm the only person in the world who thinks Affleck could be an OK Batman.

I think he'll be perfectly mediocre- not good and not bad. The movie will not be good and he'll get a disproportionate amount of blame.

SI

[Izulde]

It seems I'm the only person in the world who thinks Affleck could be an OK Batman.

Nope. I think he could be decent, too.

[Atocep]

The story for this one (supposedly) is that Batman is older. Possibly even retired.

If they're following the story many think they are, then yes, it's going to be an older Batman. I think there are much better choices to play an older batman, but I agree with SI. This movie has disaster written all over it, but I don't think it's going to be because of Affleck.

[Danny]

I'm serious get Damon to play superman and turn it into a comedy / parody best chance at it being entertaining

[larrymcg421]

The thing with Affleck is not that he'll be terrible. I'm sure he'll be adequate. It's more that he's a safe, boring choice that is going to do nothing to elevate it beyond Zack Snyder's nonsense. If it was Affleck/Affleck, I could be okay with that, but Snyder/Affleck is just awful.

[Passacaglia]

The story for this one (supposedly) is that Batman is older. Possibly even retired.

He was retired at the beginning of The Dark Knight Rises, too, so I'm not sure that really means anything.

[Autumn]

If they're following the story many think they are, then yes, it's going to be an older Batman. I think there are much better choices to play an older batman, but I agree with SI. This movie has disaster written all over it, but I don't think it's going to be because of Affleck.

I don't think they're following that storyline exactly. But it sounded from the press that they're going wtih the idea of Batman as an established veteran crimefighter, so an older actor makes sense.

Which I am very much fine with if it means they're not going to give me another Batman origin as part of the movie. If they actually assume everyone knows who Batman is and just introduce a new version of him I will give Hollywood a slow clap. In this sense introducing him as part of a Superman movie may be a great idea because they focus won't be on "introducing" him.

I haven't seen much of anything with Affleck in it for years so i don't know if he can pull this off. I still think of him in Good Will Hunting in that suit saying "You're all suspect," which makes me think he can't. But I'm sure he's past that. I think he could make a great Bruce Wayne, he's charming and now a bit dignified, an older playboy is something he should be able to do. It's the Batman part I wonder about.

[jeff061]

I'd watch it with Damon. Otherwise no. Is Affleck just dying to resurrect the caricature of himself he was able to shed?

[SackAttack]

Otherwise no. Is Affleck just dying to resurrect the caricature of himself he was able to shed?

Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to play the goddamn Batman.

[Kodos]

It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until it plays The Batman!

[Autumn]

He knows this is probably his one shot to get to punch Henry Cavill in the mouth.

[Grover]

It has been announced that Jeremy Irons will be playing the role of Alfred Pennyworth and Jesse Eisenberg will be Lex Luthor.

What a massive difference from Bryan Cranston being rumored for Luthor.

This film continues to have less and less appeal for me.

[sterlingice]

Wasn't that the kid from The Social Network? Is this supposed to be a younger Luthor?

EDIT: And, if so, why not use Michael Rosenbaum?

SI

[Grover]

Wasn't that the kid from The Social Network? Is this supposed to be a younger Luthor?

SI

Yup. it's the kid that played Zuckerberg.

[Travis]

Can't say I'm liking the casting for a lot of the roles in this movie. Was disappointed in the Wonder Woman casting decision as well, but hopefully this'll be end up being a case of the movie wildly exceeding expectations.

[chadritt]

Wasn't that the kid from The Social Network? Is this supposed to be a younger Luthor?

EDIT: And, if so, why not use Michael Rosenbaum?

SI

Yup, same guy. And if they're going for someone the same age as Superman then Rosenbaum is at least a decade too old. Eisenbergs over 30, Rosenbaum is over 40.

[sterlingice]

Yeah, I guess I was thinking back to the first season or two of Smallville, which is the part of the series I've ever seen a few episodes from.

SI

[Matthean]

Wasn't that the kid from The Social Network? Is this supposed to be a younger Luthor?

EDIT: And, if so, why not use Michael Rosenbaum?

SI

How many times has the person playing the part on TV been the one to play the role in the movie? I don't get Jesse Eisenberg as Lex though. Even with a saved head.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, I guess I was thinking back to the first season or two of Smallville, which is the part of the series I've ever seen a few episodes from.

SI

The whole show is amazing. I don't even like Superman that much, and it was amazing.

[ISiddiqui]

Yup, same guy. And if they're going for someone the same age as Superman then Rosenbaum is at least a decade too old. Eisenbergs over 30, Rosenbaum is over 40.

Yep. Eisenberg is the same age as Cavil (the dude who's playing Superman).

I think Cranston would have been a mistake - people would be expecting him to play Luthor as Walter White.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

This film keeps looking more and more like another reboot is just beyond the horizon.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Another thought... What if all this questionable casting is the world's greatest smoke screen? They keep everything under wraps until the movie premiers, and then the first people get a completely kick ass movie with superb cast that you immediately find all previous casting for these characters to be amateur.

[stevew]

The thesis of plot twist (http://www.totalspoiler.com/index.php/the-thesis-of-plot-twist/)


I don't think this was originally written in English, hencecwhy the grammar is so bad. Fan theories are pretty fun.

Basically to tl:Dr it

Affleck is an alternate "non Bruce Wayne Batman"
Jared Leto is the recast version of JGL's "Robin" from Batman 3

[stevew]

This movie has one of the worst trailers I've seen since Batman and Robin..

https://youtu.be/fis-9Zqu2Ro

[Kodos]

Huh. I was okay with the trailer until Wonder Woman showed up.

[jeff061]

Is that Lex Luthor or the love child of the Riddler and Joker?

[Honolulu_Blue]

That was all right. I don't know why everyone is shitting all over it.

[jeff061]

Looked like a standard fair below average movie with very below average acting to me.

[Fonzie]

That's...that's basically a cliff's notes version of the plot right there. Amazing contrast in approach with the trailers for The Force Awakens, where we still know relatively little about the story.

Wonder Woman would've been a marvelous surprise for audiences, had they kept that quiet.

[Kodos]

I'll maybe watch it on HBO or something. Won't pay to see it.

[Neuqua]

I feel like I've already seen the movie now.

[ISiddiqui]

I don't necessarily understand the folks who say they were underwhelmed by the trailer. I thought it was amazing and makes me want to go see it so much more now! Though I will agree that it totally gave away the story.