Official College Football Week 3 Thread

[mckerney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>Perhaps, it's early to pile on Mack Brown, but a reliable source tells me Nick Saban will be visiting in Texas by as early as this Friday.</p>&mdash; Paul Finebaum (@finebaum) <a href="https://twitter.com/finebaum/statuses/376534304723316736">September 8, 2013</a></blockquote>
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SI.com takes Saban to Texas joke as news | September | 2013 (http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/september/si-com-takes-saban-to-texas-joke-as-news.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

:D

[MrBug708]

Texas can afford Saban if they want him

[Matthean]

Why go to a school that would be a downgrade? :D

I would love to be proven wrong, but I think A&M wins the game.

[Marmel]

I am going to the game of the week, Wagner at Syracuse. :(

[Logan]

Did you start this thread for fear cartman never wants to post again?

[Lathum]

Should be a good test for Washington going to Illinois.

[Kodos]

Why go to a school that would be a downgrade? :D

I would love to be proven wrong, but I think A&M wins the game.

I'll be making an exception to my usual root against Alabama rule for this game. I hope that they pound the crap out of A&M.

[cartman]

Did you start this thread for fear cartman never wants to post again?

I'd like to think I'm a little more sane than that.

[sterlingice]

I am going to the game of the week, Wagner at Syracuse. :(

I am going to a game that will compete with it for game of the week: Kansas at Rice

SI

[Logan]

I'd like to think I'm a little more sane than that.

I said "fear", not "likelihood". ;)

[cartman]

/MBBF mode

My sources tell me that there is a flight plan already filed for a plane to bring Saban to Texas on Friday. It is pretty much a done deal at this point that he will be the next head coach at Texas. He's going to throw out the first pitch at the Rangers game on Sunday as well for his "Welcome to Texas" moment.

[HomerSimpson98]

Heard the same thing. As soon as its official on Friday night, Johnny Football will de-commit :) from A&M and be in the starting lineup vs. Ole Miss on Saturday for his really, really favorite school. Texas beats Ole Miss by 90 on their way to an improbable National Championship, their first of 50 straight.

[dawgfan]

Should be a good test for Washington going to Illinois.
Yeah, I'm actually glad Illinois beat up on Cincinnati - should ensure that the Illini get full attention from our team. Not that they should need any more incentive given how poorly they've played on the road, but there will be no excuse for the Huskies to come out flat.

[Chief Rum]

UCLA visits Nebraska early on Saturday, in the wake of the passing of UCLA walk on WR Nick Pasquale this past weekend.

The whole team and staff is pretty emotional right now and UCLA practices have been closed to the media for the week. UCLA will be wearing a patch with Pasquale's number 36 on it.

Bo Pellini showed how classy he and the whole Cornhusker nation is, too, as he opened his press conference by extending condolences to Nick's family and UCLA on behalf of Nebraska football. Nebraska will also be wearing a patch, and there will be a moment of silence before the game.

Classy move by a proud and tradition-rich program. Hope it's a good game on Saturday.

[tarcone]

Iowa goes to Iowa St. to continue the Cy-Hawk series.
Both teams are not very good right now. So it could be an interestingly bad game. But, as always, this is Iowa St.'s Super Bowl. So they are always way up for the game. A loss wouldnt surprise me.

[Logan]

George Schroeder ‏@GeorgeSchroeder

SI announces it will publish "The Dirty Game," a 5-part series on the Oklahoma State football program, beginning at 9 a.m. ET Tuesday.


@GeorgeSchroeder: Re: SI's series on Ok State football, parts are titled: 1. Money. 2. Academics. 3. Drugs. 4. Sex. 5. The Fallout

[BishopMVP]

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SI.com takes Saban to Texas joke as news | September | 2013 (http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/september/si-com-takes-saban-to-texas-joke-as-news.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

:DWhat about Will Muschamp being re-hired as D-Coordinator? I have a feeling he could be available for the right price... :)
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[Lathum]

Vegas not impressed with Illinois win, UW 9.5 point favorites.

[hoopsguy]

Should be a good test for Washington going to Illinois.

I'm just pleased that anyone would say that about playing Illini heading into the third week of this season. Last week was a stunner for U of I football fans.

[CU Tiger]

Pshhh..you guys. Saban?
Really?

I thought we were in mbbf mode?

Bill parcels is going to be the next coach.
Bill bellicheck will be his dc.
Chip Kelly is leaving the iggles to be the it OC.
Jennifer Aniston has been retained as recruiting coordinator
And both Harbaugh brothers are going to be position coaches we just don't what positions yet, as dad Harbaugh is also joining the team.

[Lathum]

I hear the new Big Tex was designed in the likeness of Saban.

[Butter]

I am going to the game of the week, Wagner at Syracuse. :(

We just bought tix to the Clemson @ Syracuse game on Oct. 5th, so we'll be up there for that one. Looking forward to my first visit to upstate New York.

[Buccaneer]

We just bought tix to the Clemson @ Syracuse game on Oct. 5th, so we'll be up there for that one. Looking forward to my first visit to upstate New York.

Should be a very nice time of year to visit.

[Logan]

George Schroeder ‏@GeorgeSchroeder

SI announces it will publish "The Dirty Game," a 5-part series on the Oklahoma State football program, beginning at 9 a.m. ET Tuesday.


@GeorgeSchroeder: Re: SI's series on Ok State football, parts are titled: 1. Money. 2. Academics. 3. Drugs. 4. Sex. 5. The Fallout

Sports Illustrated's series on Oklahoma St. football: The Money - College Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130910/oklahoma-state-part-1-money/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp)

Bunch of accusations from former players who say they got cash. Eh.

[Marmel]

We just bought tix to the Clemson @ Syracuse game on Oct. 5th, so we'll be up there for that one. Looking forward to my first visit to upstate New York.

Have fun! At least the game I am going to this weekend will bit more competative that the Clemson one. :banghead:

[panerd]

Sports Illustrated's series on Oklahoma St. football: The Money - College Football - SI.com (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130910/oklahoma-state-part-1-money/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp)

Bunch of accusations from former players who say they got cash. Eh.

You had to figure that T. Boone Pickens money was going somewhere.

[nilodor]

You had to figure that T. Boone Pickens money was going somewhere.

Funny enough he seems like the only one not implicated in the story.

[larrymcg421]

Can't wait to see what massive sanctions will be placed on Oklahoma State in 2017.

[sterlingice]

Can't wait to see what massive sanctions will be placed on Oklahoma State in 2017.

I'd be worried if I were Tulsa. Sounds like they'll lose 10 scholarships to go with Boise State's 4.

SI

[cartman]

I'd be worried if I were Tulsa. Sounds like they'll lose 10 scholarships to go with Boise State's 4.

SI

Probably Oral Roberts University will get docked as well, since they are close by and should have shared their moral compass with the Cowboys.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Coach Pinkel keeps stoking the fire in his visit to KC today......

Mizzou&#x92;s Gary Pinkel: Playing KU at Arrowhead early in season would be &#x91;ideal&#x92; - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2013/09/10/4471329/mizzous-gary-pinkel-playing-ku.html)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

dola

Really good read from Doug Gottlieb on the Manziel situation

On Manziel, Time magazine, and entitlement among college players - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/doug-gottlieb/23563181/on-manziel-time-magazine-and-entitlement-among-college-players)

[Lathum]

dola

Really good read from Doug Gottlieb on the Manziel situation

On Manziel, Time magazine, and entitlement among college players - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/doug-gottlieb/23563181/on-manziel-time-magazine-and-entitlement-among-college-players)

surprisingly good read.

[tarcone]

I laugh at the Tulsa, Oral Roberts joke. Only because it is so true.

Every time I see a major program in trouble, I point to a small program that will take the fall. :)

[miami_fan]

Can't wait to see what massive sanctions will be placed on Oklahoma State in 2017.

Whatever they get will just be the starting for when the NCAA completes the University of Miami investigation later on that year.

[RainMaker]

dola

Really good read from Doug Gottlieb on the Manziel situation

On Manziel, Time magazine, and entitlement among college players - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/doug-gottlieb/23563181/on-manziel-time-magazine-and-entitlement-among-college-players)

Quite selfish of Manziel to earn millions for the school, conference, and major networks and only get his tuition paid in return.

[TroyF]

Quite selfish of Manziel to earn millions for the school, conference, and major networks and only get his tuition paid in return.

Is that all you got from that? I think the NCAA is just below pond scum in the grand scheme of things, but that was a well written article. I still believe the star players are entitled to more, but that article deserves a little more than a quick dismissal imho.

FWIW the article explains that tuition is only the start of what the athlete gets.

[MacroGuru]

Quite selfish of Manziel to earn millions for the school, conference, and major networks and only get his tuition paid in return.

I didn't read just tuition...The following is one of the reasons why I am against college athletes being paid.

"Once you're there, your scholarship is a contract that binds you to your school. One side of the deal is this: we pick up everything. All you have to do is show up, keep your grades at a marginal level, and you can be part of the most exclusive club on campus. You will be trained in both your sport and your post-athletics career path. If you begin grad school while you are eligible, guess who picks up the tab? Not you. Many scholarship football players are on campus for five years, during which time they receive free tutoring, the best counseling, priority enrollment into certain classes, new textbooks, the best dorms and meals, in addition to the training, coaching, and essentially work experience you can gain in your sport. Additionally, the NCAA essentially allows student-athletes who leave to return and get their degree on a full grant-in-aid at any time. Does this sound like a good deal so far?"

[HomerSimpson98]

Great article and thanks for the link. Glad to see something like this written, especially from an ex-athlete. If anyone has ever seen the chow hall and what it servers at an athletics dorm, you'd know that there is more than just books and tuition. Tutoring too. Its almost impossible to fail with that kind of help.

Also didnt know about Gottleib and ND. Wow. Theft? That was surprising.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Great article and thanks for the link. Glad to see something like this written, especially from an ex-athlete. If anyone has ever seen the chow hall and what it servers at an athletics dorm, you'd know that there is more than just books and tuition. Tutoring too. Its almost impossible to fail with that kind of help.

Also didnt know about Gottleib and ND. Wow. Theft? That was surprising.

He was hammered at every away arena in the Big 12 for the rest of his time in college. The signs and chants were usually quite creative.

[Kodos]

He was the team leader in steals!

[Dr. Sak]

I get to work my first Division 1 football game Saturday...pretty excited about that one.

[Logan]

Awesome! Looking forward to the report back.

[cartman]

I get to work my first Division 1 football game Saturday...pretty excited about that one.

Probably the only person here more excited than you about this is TroyF

:D

[Kodos]

Congratulations!

[JPhillips]

I get to work my first Division 1 football game Saturday...pretty excited about that one.

Is it too early to say you're blind and stupid?

Congrats!

[sterlingice]

I get to work my first Division 1 football game Saturday...pretty excited about that one.

Which game?

SI

[sterlingice]

dola

Really good read from Doug Gottlieb on the Manziel situation

On Manziel, Time magazine, and entitlement among college players - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/doug-gottlieb/23563181/on-manziel-time-magazine-and-entitlement-among-college-players)

Good read.

Gottlieb can certainly be obnoxious. But I think he's a good college hoops Xs and Os guy and can do a good job of communicating "insider" stuff like this.

SI

[Logan]

Which game?

SI

I could be making this up but I think Sak has said in the past that he's not supposed to mention specifics until gameday.

[Lathum]

I get to work my first Division 1 football game Saturday...pretty excited about that one.

That is amazing!

So glad to see your hard work pay off!

Are you allowed to tell us which game?

[Dr. Sak]

Thanks for all the congrats and well wishes. I am just ready for the game to be here and to get 1 under the belt. As of now I have a total of 7 D1 games this season.

Like Logan said I can't really tell you till Sunday.

[BYU 14]

Thanks for all the congrats and well wishes. I am just ready for the game to be here and to get 1 under the belt. As of now I have a total of 7 D1 games this season.

Like Logan said I can't really tell you till Sunday.

Just awesome, so cool to see you reaching the big time and being rewarded for your hard work!

[britrock88]

dola

Really good read from Doug Gottlieb on the Manziel situation

On Manziel, Time magazine, and entitlement among college players - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/general/writer/doug-gottlieb/23563181/on-manziel-time-magazine-and-entitlement-among-college-players)

Cal, UCLA, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Michigan, Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, North Carolina, Duke

Some of these things are not like the others...

[sterlingice]

Thanks for all the congrats and well wishes. I am just ready for the game to be here and to get 1 under the belt. As of now I have a total of 7 D1 games this season.

Like Logan said I can't really tell you till Sunday.

Sounds good- let us know after the fact :)

SI

[dawgfan]

Some of these things are not like the others...
I don't pretend to know how difficult it is to get into Texas, Texas A&M or Florida, but it's not like those are bad schools. Texas in particular is considered one of the top public schools in the country, one of the "public ivies".

[BishopMVP]

Some of these things are not like the others...The one that just had a huge academic cheating scandal?

[Logan]

Documents, text messages reveal impermissible benefits to five SEC players - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html)

DJ Fluker being the biggest name implicated. Tyler Bray as well.

[Crapshoot]

Latest college scandals again reveal folly of NCAA rules - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--latest-college-scandals-again-reveal-folly-of-ncaa-rules-210822795.html)

This is a great piece regarding the whole thing (also from Yahoo Sports). How do you tell a poor kid who was homeless (DJ Fluker) that he can't take a token amt when everyone else is getting rich of him?

[Izulde]

I didn't read just tuition...The following is one of the reasons why I am against college athletes being paid.

"Once you're there, your scholarship is a contract that binds you to your school. One side of the deal is this: we pick up everything. All you have to do is show up, keep your grades at a marginal level, and you can be part of the most exclusive club on campus. You will be trained in both your sport and your post-athletics career path. If you begin grad school while you are eligible, guess who picks up the tab? Not you. Many scholarship football players are on campus for five years, during which time they receive free tutoring, the best counseling, priority enrollment into certain classes, new textbooks, the best dorms and meals, in addition to the training, coaching, and essentially work experience you can gain in your sport. Additionally, the NCAA essentially allows student-athletes who leave to return and get their degree on a full grant-in-aid at any time. Does this sound like a good deal so far?"

This is flawed. Most scholarships do *not* cover everything. Many cover just tuition and more than a few are partial tuition waivers. That still leaves a considerable gap in expenses.

They're also not guaranteed for the full term of the degree - it's a one year grant only, renewable at the coach's discretion.

[Izulde]

I don't pretend to know how difficult it is to get into Texas, Texas A&M or Florida, but it's not like those are bad schools. Texas in particular is considered one of the top public schools in the country, one of the "public ivies".

This.

Florida is also a Top 50 school, which most people don't realize. Granted, it's in the last few spots of that ranking, but still.

[CraigSca]

This is flawed. Most scholarships do *not* cover everything. Many cover just tuition and more than a few are partial tuition waivers. That still leaves a considerable gap in expenses.


Where are you getting this information from? According to the NCAA: "Division I and II institutions are permitted to provide a student-athlete with tuition and fees, room, board and required course-related books."

Are you saying scholarship Div. 1 football players aren't receiving this?

[Izulde]

Where are you getting this information from? According to the NCAA: "Division I and II institutions are permitted to provide a student-athlete with tuition and fees, room, board and required course-related books."

Are you saying scholarship Div. 1 football players aren't receiving this?

Permitted to provide isn't the same thing as saying that's what the grant-in-aid covers.

I'll have to find the link, but there's elsewhere on the NCAA's website where they say that many scholarships don't cover everything.

[Izulde]

Behind the Blue Disk - NCAA.org (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Behind+the+Blue+Disk/How+Do+Athletic+Scholarships+Work)


Many student-athletes receive athletics scholarships covering only a portion of these costs.

I've also spoken to several student-athletes and parents of student-athletes who have confirmed this.

Now, are your star players going to get the full and complete ride? Sure. Are all your players going to get it? No.

[Lathum]

I'd trust Izulde on this since he has been in school 36 of the 37 years he has been alive

[dawgfan]

Behind the Blue Disk - NCAA.org (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Behind+the+Blue+Disk/How+Do+Athletic+Scholarships+Work)



I've also spoken to several student-athletes and parents of student-athletes who have confirmed this.

Now, are your star players going to get the full and complete ride? Sure. Are all your players going to get it? No.
I'm pretty sure what you're referencing is how in most non-revenue sports, there are partial scholarships. Football and basketball players get full scholarships, but many baseball players (etc.) will get a percentage of a scholarship.

[Izulde]

I'm pretty sure what you're referencing is how in most non-revenue sports, there are partial scholarships. Football and basketball players get full scholarships, but many baseball players (etc.) will get a percentage of a scholarship.

Most of these partial scholarships are nonrevenue sports, yes.

However, I wouldn't say it's an absolute that all football and basketball players receive the full amount of tuition, room, board, and books as their grant-in-aid package. I think this has variance as well, though I would need to dig more deeply into this to say with certainty either way.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Noting that, unless something has changed recently, all NCAA D1 football scholarships must be "full rides", can't split those as they do in baseball, soccer, etc.

[Eaglesfan27]

Thanks for all the congrats and well wishes. I am just ready for the game to be here and to get 1 under the belt. As of now I have a total of 7 D1 games this season.

Like Logan said I can't really tell you till Sunday.

Congrats! That is awesome news :)

[BishopMVP]

FWIW, this article kind of expressed my feelings about watching Johnny Manziel on the field - Texas A&M Aggies QB Johnny Manziel should embrace his outlaw image - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9657474/texas-aggies-qb-johnny-manziel-embrace-outlaw-image)

Guy seems like a dick off the field, but on it he should embrace it and go full heel - I watch sports to be entertained, and whether he leads A&M to another upset over Alabama, or gets obliterated by the Death Star that is the Crimson Tide, it'll be fun to watch. It's not like other quarterbacks who were saints off the field never taunted the opposition...

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[CU Tiger]

Jon is right.
Football has to be "full ride" but...the average NCAA football player spends 95 hours per week engaged including "elective" activities.

Oh and sure they get a full ride as long as the agree to major in a program of the football programs choosing.

[Atocep]

This is flawed. Most scholarships do *not* cover everything. Many cover just tuition and more than a few are partial tuition waivers. That still leaves a considerable gap in expenses.

They're also not guaranteed for the full term of the degree - it's a one year grant only, renewable at the coach's discretion.

Athletes actually have access to a lot more financial assistance than just the scholarship. They can receive $500 a year for clothing, every school receives $200,000 a year from the NCAA to help its student athletes in ways the school sees fit, off campus living is covered based on a cost determined by the school, schools have a special needs fund for players in need (for things such as flights home for the holidays and this does not need to be repaid), and that doesn't even get into pell grants.

I believe it was a Clemson player last year that was ripped in the media on message boards for making a comment something along the lines of "having access to more resources and money that he had never had before arriving at Clemson". He was a poor kid that was referencing these benefits and what they allowed him to have.

[tarcone]

Thanks for all the congrats and well wishes. I am just ready for the game to be here and to get 1 under the belt. As of now I have a total of 7 D1 games this season.

Like Logan said I can't really tell you till Sunday.

Congrats!

Good luck and dont get run over by players or coaches.

[Izulde]

Athletes actually have access to a lot more financial assistance than just the scholarship. They can receive $500 a year for clothing, every school receives $200,000 a year from the NCAA to help its student athletes in ways the school sees fit, off campus living is covered based on a cost determined by the school, schools have a special needs fund for players in need (for things such as flights home for the holidays and this does not need to be repaid), and that doesn't even get into pell grants.
.

Yeah I'm digging more into this (Thanks, JiMGA) and it appears the $200k you're referring to is the Student Assistance Fund, which doesn't list a number on the NCAA's portion of the website that I'm looking at, although the Academic Enhancement Fund does say each school in the 11/12 school year got $68,000 for academic improvement.

It makes for some interesting reading:

Student-Athlete Benefits - NCAA.org (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Finances/Finances+Student+Athlete+Benefits)

[MacroGuru]

Noting that, unless something has changed recently, all NCAA D1 football scholarships must be "full rides", can't split those as they do in baseball, soccer, etc.

Correct, and this is why I referenced what I did. I didn't get to the Div I level, but had my chance in the lower levels and what I got was still more than most normal students would receive.

But Basketball and Football players, the ones the schools make money off of the most, the ones that are screaming and holding their hands out, they are the ones that need to realize they really are being paid.

[mauchow]

The second best game is one that everyone from middle of the country to the East won't even be awake to watch. Wisconsin going to ASU I think is the next biggest game (perhaps it's my bias.. but it's a big game for both teams to show what they got and build from the win).

Hopefully Wisconsin's defense can show what they are; not slow and lumbering like the ESPN talking heads like to say. I'm so pumped up for this game I started to look at tickets to fly out for the game. The wife immediately shot it down. :(

I just hope I can stay up until 1 AM to see the game to the end.

[MrBug708]

UCLA vs Nebraska

[dawgfan]

The second best game is one that everyone from middle of the country to the East won't even be awake to watch. Wisconsin going to ASU I think is the next biggest game (perhaps it's my bias.. but it's a big game for both teams to show what they got and build from the win).

Hopefully Wisconsin's defense can show what they are; not slow and lumbering like the ESPN talking heads like to say. I'm so pumped up for this game I started to look at tickets to fly out for the game. The wife immediately shot it down. :(

I just hope I can stay up until 1 AM to see the game to the end.
Should be a pretty interesting game - the first real test for both teams.

[Butter]

Wisconsin seems to enjoy taking road trips to the West. They have played @ Fresno State, UNLV, and ASU recently, and that's just the ones off the top of my head. Any particular reason for that?

[Lathum]

Wisconsin seems to enjoy taking road trips to the West. They have played @ Fresno State, UNLV, and ASU recently, and that's just the ones off the top of my head. Any particular reason for that?

IIRC I think they also have a home and home with Washington State in the near future.

[Logan]

IIRC I think they also have a home and home with Washington State in the near future.

In 22/23. And a series with UW in 18/19.

[sterlingice]

I'd trust Izulde on this since he has been in school 36 of the 37 years he has been alive

:D

SI

[sterlingice]

Wisconsin seems to enjoy taking road trips to the West. They have played @ Fresno State, UNLV, and ASU recently, and that's just the ones off the top of my head. Any particular reason for that?

Do they have a disproportionately large number of recruits from the west? I know football doesn't have as many games so it can't be as targeted as basketball, but trips to a particular area can coincide with a good recruiting pipeline there

SI

[sterlingice]

Jon is right.
Football has to be "full ride" but...the average NCAA football player spends 95 hours per week engaged including "elective" activities.

Oh and sure they get a full ride as long as the agree to major in a program of the football programs choosing.

I can't speak to football but I remember liking Sasha Kaun all the more as he got a computer science degree at Kansas. I graduated a few years before him with that same major and it's not light on coursework.

SI

[mauchow]

The idea was that Wisconsin always tries to have a Pac 10/12 game scheduled. They played Oregon St last year. The Badgers don't have more than a few players from the West, so its not entirely a recruiting thing either..although the Badgers try getting into California every year they only come out with one guy. Bart Houston being the biggest name as of recent, redshirt freshman QB now who will give Stave a run next year for the starting job and almost did this fall camp despite being injured for his whole freshman year.

But now with Gary Anderson and his staff I can imagine this will only help recruiting eddorts as they have much bigger ties out West. There has definitely been more attention given to the region for the 2014 class.Damien Mama And Joe Mixon being two big targets currently for Wisconsin and seem to have legit shots at them.

[MrBug708]

I would be thoroughly stunned if Mama and Mixon go to Wisconsin.

[mauchow]

All I say is if you have officials set then you're in the hunt. Wisconsin is a OL school and our running backs do pretty good too :)

[Lathum]

West Coast kids love it when it is 4 degrees outside with 3 feet of snow on the ground!

[dawgfan]

All I say is if you have officials set then you're in the hunt. Wisconsin is a OL school and our running backs do pretty good too :)
Sure. But at least with Mixon, it'd be a shocker if he ended up somewhere other than Cal or Oklahoma.

[Atocep]

Former Houston Oiler Ray Childress' son Ford will make his first start for WVU Saturday against Georgia State. He has a big arm and a lot of talent. Georgia State isn't much of a challenge, but it's going to be interesting to see if he can hang on to the job because Millard wasn't getting it done (although he wasn't really expected to).

[TroyF]

George Schroeder ‏@GeorgeSchroeder

SI announces it will publish "The Dirty Game," a 5-part series on the Oklahoma State football program, beginning at 9 a.m. ET Tuesday.


@GeorgeSchroeder: Re: SI's series on Ok State football, parts are titled: 1. Money. 2. Academics. 3. Drugs. 4. Sex. 5. The Fallout

Documents undermine some Oklahoma State Cowboys accusers - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9665724/documents-undermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers)


Look, I'm biased. I went to Oklahoma State and I love the program and cheer for them. I also know that college sports are rife with corruption and am not surprised when I see any story about the corruption.

With all of that said, this is BULLSH#T. How can you throw out stories that could destroy a program without checking the most basic of facts? How can you have 75% of all the players you used in this story either get kicked off of the team or quit the team? (and not mention this in the articles?) How can you take someones word saying they had 2 degrees when in fact they had zero degress?

I'm sorry, but if you are going to thrash a program, do it with facts. Your investigation lasted ten months and THIS is what you have come up with? Piss off. Seriously, just piss off. SI should be ashamed of themselves for this garbage.

[Matthean]

How about the other arm?

[britrock88]

Watching TCU get screwed over multiple times in their game at Texas Tech.

[cartman]

Watching TCU get screwed over multiple times in their game at Texas Tech.

Yeah, not sure how there wasn't enough evidence to overturn the no-fumble call. It looked pretty clear on the replays they showed.

[Atocep]

How about the other arm?

Probably good enough to beat Georgia State.

[dawgfan]

Documents undermine some Oklahoma State Cowboys accusers - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9665724/documents-undermine-some-oklahoma-state-cowboys-accusers)
How can you have 75% of all the players you used in this story either get kicked off of the team or quit the team? (and not mention this in the articles?).
*shurg* Washington got USC/Reggie Bush level sanctions in 1993 from allegations by guys that had been booted from the team (several of which were arrested for felonies during their time here) or had filed lawsuits against the school.

I'm not saying you're wrong for being pissed, nor am I saying that these accusations aren't bullshit, but it's pretty common that when these kinds of stories come out, they come from sources that don't seem 100% credible.

[TroyF]

*shurg* Washington got USC/Reggie Bush level sanctions in 1993 from allegations by guys that had been booted from the team (several of which were arrested for felonies during their time here) or had filed lawsuits against the school.

I'm not saying you're wrong for being pissed, nor am I saying that these accusations aren't bullshit, but it's pretty common that when these kinds of stories come out, they come from sources that don't seem 100% credible.

I'd have just expected that information to be released in the article. I would expect "facts" like someone getting two degrees for doing no schoolwork would be checked out.

Again, I'm biased and I know I am. If OSU did those things and they can be proven, nail them to the damned wall. I braced myself for a critical disaster when I heard about this series. Instead I'm searching to find the "out of control" part. If there isn't some secret bombshell about to come out, I'm thinking there won't be a single scholarship reduction from this. This is what you call an investigative article?

Yikes.

[HomerSimpson98]

TCU was terrible last night but they got the old Lubbock screwjob. I swear night games in that shithole are some of the most biased games in America.

Anyways, question for the refs on the board: When dumbass Tech player dropped the ball at the 1 going into the endzone, shouldn't that have been TCU ball at the 20? I understand the ball never went through the endzone and the ref eventually picked up the ball. But is that the rationale behind giving Tech the ball back at the spot of the "fumble" (read: stupid fucker celebrating too early)?

[gstelmack]

I would expect "facts" like someone getting two degrees for doing no schoolwork would be checked out.

"Journalism" at work again...

[miami_fan]

Charles Robinson gave his approval for this report

[lungs]

Part of the OSU thing is drug dealers on the football team?? Isn't that fairly common? I mean at my little dinky D3 school I'd often go buy a 20 bag in the weight room from the backup running back with coaches standing right there.

[JonInMiddleGA]

On that whole 5-SEC-players-took cash story ... this tweet from Vols DL Maurice Couch (already suspended by the team pending investigation)

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I want to apologize to everyone from my family,teammates, n the Volnation. Im sorry I let u guys down. <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23orangeswarm&amp;src=hash">#orangeswarm</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23beattheducks&amp;src=hash">#beattheducks</a> #117</p>&mdash; maurice couch (@MoTrilla44) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoTrilla44/statuses/378500869370552320">September 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[TroyF]

Part of the OSU thing is drug dealers on the football team?? Isn't that fairly common? I mean at my little dinky D3 school I'd often go buy a 20 bag in the weight room from the backup running back with coaches standing right there.

Yeah, that was part of it. I think the really strange thing about the story is that there are allegations that "drugs were everywhere" and "getting A's for free" yet most of the players mentioned in the story were kicked off the team for drug tests or grades.

I guess I just expected more. I expected a 10 month investigation would have a metric ton of evidence and there would be major bombshells. And I get this? I mean seriously, this is what SI came up with?

There are a lot of people making claims that the reporter hates OSU and has shown his disdain for them in the past. I wonder why they even go there? The credibility of the reporting is right there for all the world to see.

What is even more amazing is how on ESPN they have a headline that "drugs were everywhere" at OSU and the article about the questions in the story is buried. SI has two more parts of the story to come out and I think one of them involves the allegations recruits had sex with the hostesses. (big bombshell there)

[sterlingice]

Wonder how much Texas paid for the story. Or was it Oklahoma?

SI

[cartman]

Wonder how much Texas paid for the story. Or was it Oklahoma?

SI

Well, duh. Of course it was DeLoss Dodds and his mouthpiece Chip Brown feeding them the info. Too bad MBBF is now 100% SEC, otherwise he'd be all over this.

[CU Tiger]

The writer graduated from OU didnt he?

BTW let me re-cap and see if I got this right?

1- College players took small sums of cash (100-500) for big plays
2- Some college players had some fan noy student and professors either do work for them or flat out give them grades they didnt earn
3- Come college football players did drugs and a few even sold some drugs
4- Some young females had sex with young males just because they were football players

Is that the jist of it?
Really?
I guess I am just waiting for the punch line here. The above happens AT EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN AMERICA (INCLUDING IVY LEAGUE) THAT HAS A SPORTS PROGRAM. And for that matter at every high school as well.

Shit my sons middle school team gets quarters for big hits...

[molson]

The writer graduated from OU didnt he?

BTW let me re-cap and see if I got this right?

1- College players took small sums of cash (100-500) for big plays
2- Some college players had some fan noy student and professors either do work for them or flat out give them grades they didnt earn
3- Come college football players did drugs and a few even sold some drugs
4- Some young females had sex with young males just because they were football players

Is that the jist of it?
Really?
I guess I am just waiting for the punch line here. The above happens AT EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IN AMERICA (INCLUDING IVY LEAGUE) THAT HAS A SPORTS PROGRAM. And for that matter at every high school as well.

Shit my sons middle school team gets quarters for big hits...

If it makes you feel any better, this won't get as much public or FOFC scorn as Manziel selling some autographs.

[Kodos]

Looks like IU is breaking out the Chrome Domes for BGSU tomorrow.

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t446/KodosForPrez/ChromeDome_zps10f01014.png (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/KodosForPrez/media/ChromeDome_zps10f01014.png.html)

[Kodos]

If it makes you feel any better, this won't get as much public or FOFC scorn as Manziel selling some autographs.

I think Manziel gets scorn because he acts like the rules don't apply to him. And he's generally an ass.

[molson]

I think Manziel gets scorn because he acts like the rules don't apply to him. And he's generally an ass.

Did the OSU players and coaches think the rules applied to them? Do any players at any school where this stuff goes on (which is probably every school)? I do agree with the 2nd part, that the reaction is just going to based on whether the team or player involved is a rival of someone's own favorite team, or if they personally dislike the guy going in (in the case of Manziel).

[Kodos]

FWIW, I do think OSU should be punished. But then I am very much a by the rules kind of guy.

[Lathum]

I think the autograph stuff with Manziel hurts him because he doesnt need the money. It is easy to justify a kid whose family literaly doesn't know where their next meal is coming from taking money

[TroyF]

Did the OSU players and coaches think the rules applied to them? Do any players at any school where this stuff goes on (which is probably every school)? I do agree with the 2nd part, that the reaction is just going to based on whether the team or player involved is a rival of someone's own favorite team, or if they personally dislike the guy going in (in the case of Manziel).

If OSU did this and it can be proven, they should be drilled. Probation, scholarships, bowl games, the works. My problem with this story is the credibility of the people making the accusations is bad. Not only is it bad, but the facts that can be checked out are wrong. Not just "I am a fan of the school and I refuse to believe they can be bad" wrong, but a "5 minute open records search" wrong.

OSU deserves to get in a boatload of hot water if they did this stuff. After ten months, I would expect you could present ONE provable fact.

[cuervo72]

I thought Boise St. had to wear colors that contrasted with their turf. I guess that was either repealed or never actually was a rule?

[CU Tiger]

If it makes you feel any better, this won't get as much public or FOFC scorn as Manziel selling some autographs.

Manuel took 5 figures plus I specifically said a few hundred dollars.
Bug difference.


I'll buy some college football players need some cash for clothes or a nice dinner...they don't need $10,000 rims

[MrBug708]

Who will be the first fan who will step up and say their program is dirty? Everyone elses program is always the dirty one it seem

[Kodos]

Indiana's program under Kelvin Sampson was dirty.

[panerd]

Who will be the first fan who will step up and say their program is dirty? Everyone elses program is always the dirty one it seem

Quin Snyder was filthy dirty (said it at the time). Frank Haith has all appearances of being dirty and we aren't even getting the benefits that a dirty coach like Cal brings.

[JPhillips]

Hostess programs should be banned regardless of whether or not they are instructed or encouraged to have sex with recruits. The whole idea is demeaning and degrading.

[tarcone]

Iowa going to Iowa State to play the Clowns. Game time is 5 pm and its on Fox1.

This is the Clowns Super Bowl. If Iowa loses, Ferentz could be in serious trouble.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The whole idea is demeaning and degrading.

And fairly realistic best I can tell.

[JPhillips]

And fairly realistic best I can tell.

What women want to do individually is fine. What athletic programs do, often paid for with public money, requires much more oversight.

[sterlingice]

I remember being at orientation and there was a girl who were throwing herself at a KU football player who even admitted he was a backup. Tho that was just a girl wanting to sleep with someone on the football team, no matter how bad he was or how bad Kansas was at football.

SI

[sterlingice]

Apparently the Houston alumni group for Kansas sold out their allotment of tickets for the Rice game and over 300 people are going as part of the alumni tailgate. That's pretty cool: I will be there enjoying networking and crappy football!

SI

[JonInMiddleGA]

What women want to do individually is fine. What athletic programs do, often paid for with public money, requires much more oversight.

{shrug} They can kill off the hostess programs for all I care, I was just kinda thinking more along the lines of "where does that end up ranking in terms of items of influence on player commitments".

I know of one case involving a legendary football player where - by several accounts that were close to the situation that I really randomly knew personally - it was likely THE determining factor (the hostess basically ended up getting paid to date him for more than a year).

[Thomkal]

Coastal Carolina has a big game today-first time in its short history that both teams are ranked. Coastal at #21, Eastern Kentucky at #25. Playing on the road though and after last season when EK played here and beat CCU by 18. Lot of turnover on the EK roster so might have a better chance of beating this time around.

[CU Tiger]

ECU moves right down the field on VT and goes up 7-0 early.

Btw Jon..all depends on the kid. I've seen kids commit over a girl on a visit, (in several cases the girl wasn't even a hostess just a girl they met and "fell in love with"...) and I've seen very attractive "professionals" paid to throw themselves at a prospect and he never bat an eye. Like so many things in life it comes down to morals and upbringing with a dash of maturity thrown in.

[CU Tiger]

Oh he'll....VT is still trying this dire t snap to the TE offense. The tight end just over threw a WR probably 6-8' over his head. On a screen pass and there was no pressure..
Next play with pressure the TE over threw his WR by only 4' under pressure so that's improvement right?

[Atocep]

Oh he'll....VT is still trying this dire t snap to the TE offense. The tight end just over threw a WR probably 6-8' over his head. On a screen pass and there was no pressure..
Next play with pressure the TE over threw his WR by only 4' under pressure so that's improvement right?

Kiper probably still thinks that TE is a top 10 pick as a QB.

[Matthean]

Up until this drive Michigan's running game was pathetic to say the least. Even now Toussaint has 3.2 yards per carry. All this talk of how bad Michigan was going to blow them out and yet it is 7-3 after one.

[CU Tiger]

Logan Thomas has just about cost Beamer his job. I've never seen anyone get as many chances as him despite no evidence to support it.

Even on his completions in this game, his WR have had to stop, or turn around to come to the ball.

I'm amazed at how much pub he gets when I'm not sure he woud start the local high school team.

[mckerney]

Up until this drive Michigan's running game was pathetic to say the least. Even now Toussaint has 3.2 yards per carry. All this talk of how bad Michigan was going to blow them out and yet it is 7-3 after one.

I wish Minnesota were running that well against Western Illinois, their RBs have 8 yards on 7 carries so far.

[Matthean]

I wish Minnesota were running that well against Western Illinois, their RBs have 8 yards on 7 carries so far.

Wait, he's down to 2.1 yards per carry. Green better be getting reps soon.

EDIT: Speak of the devil. First carry 3 yards.

[Matthean]

Michigan drives down to the goal line only to turn the ball over. This is one of those games that gives coaches tons of fuel for the next week to help rip into a team. The only thing worth a damn right now is Michigan's passing game.

[Matthean]

And Blake Countess. :lol:

[CU Tiger]

Wait, he's down to 2.1 yards per carry. Green better be getting reps soon.

EDIT: Speak of the devil. First carry 3 yards.

How is Greens weight doing ?
I haven't been able to keep up with him but I know that was a concern of a few coaches.

[Matthean]

How is Greens weight doing ?
I haven't been able to keep up with him but I know that was a concern of a few coaches.

That I don't know. Gardner with his 2nd INT. Akron is legitimately hanging with Michigan. They got near FG range and turned it over. After a Michigan TO, they drove down and missed a FG. With this TO, they are back in Michigan territory again and just missed another FG. This is pretty much a text book example of crapping the bed by a team. 7-3 at half. Gardner is playing well except for the INTs which continue to plague him. Michigan has no running game, still. The defense playing subpar considering Akron can drive on it, and you know, it's freaking Akron. :banghead: This a team that's a shell of what it played like last week.

[Matthean]

I did see ESPN has him listed at 220, but lord knows that thing is highly inaccurate.

[Matthean]

10-7 Akron.

[Vegas Vic]

We knew that Blake Bell ("The Belldozer") could run the ball, but his passing skills were an unknown. Early 3rd quarter, he's 16 out of 22 for 316 yards, 3 TD's and 0 INT's.

[CU Tiger]

I did see ESPN has him listed at 220, but lord knows that thing is highly inaccurate.

220 would be a good spot for him to stay...I had a high school coahc tell me his weight could creep into the 270 range at times during the summer if they didnt ride him. But others at the school said no he would fluctuate 5-15lbs at most...

If he is dedicated dude is an amazing talent/

[Matthean]

Michigan basically just ran the ball and scored to go back up. I loved Toussaint as a Freshman, but he's never really been the same since. He seemed to have all of the skills besides power. With the OL transition, I think it has really hurt him. With Green, he's more of a power back so he can create yardage. He got bumped up since the #2 back is out, but he still doesn't see much playing time. He's going to get a chance and have a break out game. I'm just not sure if it is this year or not.

[Matthean]

I think it finally clicked enough for Michigan. 21-10. If Gardner could limit the TOs and Michigan had any resemblance of a running game, this offense would be special. Toussaint has half of his yards in a single carry and he only has 48 yards.

[MrBug708]

UCLA has put up 35 points in about 18 minutes of gametime

[Matthean]

Spoke too soon. Gardner with a pick 6. Akron goes down and throws an INT in the end zone so it is still 21-17. Akron could easily be winning this game. I have rampaging doubts about Gardner despite his potential. 6 INTs in three games with CMU and Akron involved isn't exactly confidence building. He's got talent, but you can't turn the ball over like this. It will be interesting to see if Hoke plays Morris at all versus UConn.

[Crapshoot]

UCLA has put up 35 points in about 18 minutes of gametime

UCLA-Stanford looks like it should be really fun, if last year is any indication. Does UCLA play Oregon this year?

[Matthean]

24-21 Akron with 4:10 to go. Seriously. Michigan's pass D is not good.

[MrBug708]

UCLA-Stanford looks like it should be really fun, if last year is any indication. Does UCLA play Oregon this year?

They play back to back on the road vs Oregon and Stanford

[MrBug708]

Michigan really needs to fire RichRod

[MrBug708]

Myles Jack might be the second best defensive player for UCLA

[MrBug708]

The love for Lane

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUJPLqQCYAE_gpQ.jpg

20 minutes before kickoff

[bob]

The love for Lane

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUJPLqQCYAE_gpQ.jpg

20 minutes before kickoff

That picture tells me USC fans are completely fair weather rather than anything else.

[kingfc22]

Did Akron just get cheated out of 7 seconds? Why didn't the clock reset to 0:22?

[MrBug708]

Refs just robbed Akron of time.

[Easy Mac]

Why did they not put time back on the clock for the review?

[kingfc22]

Nice screw job by the officials.

[panerd]

Refs just robbed Akron of time.

And ignored a blatent hold on the final play. Big Ten always so overrated. Can't wait for the hype for OSU/Mich after that barn burner.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

Holy fu...

WHEW!!!!!

[bob]

Can someone give a quick review of what happened at the end there - not able to see the game and ESPN gamecast sucks.

[MrBug708]

Awarded the first down, time runs off with four plays, whistle blows, reviwed, overturned, 3rd down, the time isn't put back on the clock. Akron calls a terrible toss play and has to settle for a pass on 4th down which doesnt connect

[RainMaker]

Michigan needing a lot of help from officials to beat Akron. LOL

[Matthean]

I'm actually surprised Michigan pulled that off. 1st and goal at the one felt like Akron was going to get the score. So many issues for this team right now. With Nebraska getting clocked, Big Ten has pretty much shot its credibility already. Time to watch some real football. :lol:

[Scoobz0202]

Awarded the first down, time runs off with four plays, whistle blows, reviwed, overturned, 3rd down, the time isn't put back on the clock. Akron calls a terrible toss play and has to settle for a pass on 4th down which doesnt connect

I was watching on a shitty stream so the quality wasn't the greatest but I thought I might have seen a pretty blatant defensive holding on that final play, too. But that may be my bias against Michigan showing.

[MrBug708]

You probably aren't wrong

[panerd]

I was watching on a shitty stream so the quality wasn't the greatest but I thought I might have seen a pretty blatant defensive holding on that final play, too. But that may be my bias against Michigan showing.

No, I have zero opinion on Michigan. It was a hold.

[RainMaker]

I was watching on a shitty stream so the quality wasn't the greatest but I thought I might have seen a pretty blatant defensive holding on that final play, too. But that may be my bias against Michigan showing.

Nah, it was holding. And a roughing on the QB (shot to head).

[HerRealName]

And ignored a blatent hold on the final play. Big Ten always so overrated. Can't wait for the hype for OSU/Mich after that barn burner.

Who overrates the Big Ten?

[Matthean]

Even if OSU wins the Big Ten, they will have to do so undefeated to have any remote chance at a title game this year. I would easily still take a one loss SEC team over them and I'm sure others would as well.

[MrBug708]

If Arizona State takes care of business, the PAC-12 South might be the best division in the B1G

[BillJasper]

Manziel sure does look good early.

[miami_fan]

Manziel sure does look good early.

Kinda forgot the kid could play a bit

[dawgfan]

Myles Jack might be the second best defensive player for UCLA
You're just trying to get my goat aren't you :)

[BillJasper]

As a Miami Dolphins fan: I hope Texas A&M runs Alabama out of the building. :lol:

[BillJasper]

A&M is abusing the Alabama secondary.

[kingfc22]

Impressive

[MrBug708]

You're just trying to get my goat aren't you :)

51% :)

[BillJasper]

Nice drive by Alabama.

Now it's time to see if their defense can stop A&M?

[miami_fan]

Damn

[M GO BLUE!!!]

The love for Lane

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUJPLqQCYAE_gpQ.jpg

20 minutes before kickoff

And LA wants a NFL team...

[BillJasper]

Looks like a football game has broken out!

[kingfc22]

Thought that was going to be an INT for sure.

[bob]

Signature scramble sure, but that was still a stupid throw.

[BillJasper]

Thought that was going to be an INT for sure.

You and me both.

Not sure Manziel is going to be able to get away doing things like that at the next level.

[Danny]

Crazy play

[bulletsponge]

Thought that was going to be an INT for sure.

in the pros it will be, course he would have been crushed by the defender before he would have thrown that ball in the pros too

[Danny]

I don't it was too bad given the down and field position.

[bulletsponge]

Manziel will have to learn to be much more disciplined and decisive in the pros if he wants to be a starter into his 4th season

[BillJasper]

Nice play in the end zone by Alabama.

[Danny]

Manziel will likely go down as one of the best college qb's ever but I don't see him being a stud in the nfl

[Matthean]

Signature scramble sure, but that was still a stupid throw.

It looked even worse on the replay.

[BillJasper]

Looks like Texas A&M has fallen asleep after going up 14-0. :eek:

[Matthean]

Their defense still isn't that good.

[miami_fan]

No don't make that call!

[BillJasper]

What a bullshit penalty.

[miami_fan]

TARGETING!!!!!! WTF!!!!!

[kingfc22]

That is a horrendous call.

[Galaxy]

Wow...who on A&M is paying the refs?

[EagleFan]

Wow, just awful.

[bhlloy]

Doesn't feel like football anymore. I understand you want to protect the head but that's absurd

[BillJasper]

If the booth says it isn't a foul why can't they nullify the penalty?

[EagleFan]

That is a stupid rule. That the replay can't overturn the call since it is already being replayed for just that reason.

[BillJasper]

That Alabama defense is scary.

[Dutch]

That is a stupid rule. That the replay can't overturn the call since it is already being replayed for just that reason.

Agreed. That's in place for the self-esteem of the referee's...

[Galaxy]

Tennessee's defense is just horrible.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tennessee's defense is just horrible.

As I tweeted I know Oregon does it to lots of people but that's at least twice they've made the UT secondary look like a bunch of 8 y/o in their 1st game

[miami_fan]

How may more times are Vince and Gary going to call someone on the Tide Manziel?

[Matthean]

A&M blowing its wad a little too early.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tennessee's 2nd half might be interesting. Let's see who quits & who wants to play football.

[tarcone]

aTm better tackle in the 2nd half or its going to get ugly.

[Matthean]

How may more times are Vince and Gary going to call someone on the Tide Manziel?

I like how the halftime announcers basically talked about A&M's errors and how awesome Manziel is. Yep, 'Bama did nothing like score 28 straight points.

[tarcone]

20 minutes to Iowa/Iowa State.
You guys want to watch an offensive explosion? Forget Oregon, forget Alabama/aTm. Watch Iowa/Iowa State.
Tune in to Fox1

[frnk55]

Suck it Manziel. :lol::lol::lol:

[molson]

Well, Syracuse has finally found a team they can do something against on offense. Unfortunately, it's 1-AA Wagner, but we'll take what we can get.

[BillJasper]

Manziel has a ton of physical talent, but I think it would be a mistake for him to leave for the NFL after this season. He has to grow up a bit.

[bob]

Would he even be a first round pick?

[BillJasper]

Would he even be a first round pick?

Not if NFL GM's learned any lessons from drafting guys like Ryan Leaf and Cade McNown.

[miami_fan]

Look here CBS, if you are going to spend all this time focusing on the "gestures" of college football players, I am going to need you to take a class or something to know exactly what the "meaning" of the gestures are.

[molson]

Not if NFL GM's learned any lessons from drafting guys like Ryan Leaf and Cade McNown.

What's the similarity Between Manziel and Leaf and McNown?

Talent will ultimately be the deciding factor. Leaf and McNown would have been busts even if they volunteered at the animal humane society every week. Manziel will grow up, and if he has the talent to play in the NFL, he'll succeed there. Many, if not most, elite college QBs think very highly of themselves during their college years and live the life. Nobody will care about autographs if Manziel can play at the next level, just like nobody will care about Cam Newton's shenanigans if he can ultimately be successful. Dan Marino's stock plunged because he was coke-head dumb jock. But then he became an adult.

[BillJasper]

Manziel will grow up...

That's one hell of an assumption.

Texas A&M's defense reminds me of tissue paper. :lol:

[Matthean]

'Bama might score 50+ at this rate.

[tarcone]

3 and out for ISU. Iowa gets a couple 1st downs then punts.

Here we go. I can hardly catch my breath.

[molson]

That's one hell of an assumption.



Just going with the odds, in that he's not the first arrogant big-time star college football player in the history of the universe, despite how it's portrayed. I can't even imagine what it would have been like if we had this kind of media attention on guys in the 80s, in terms of what parties they went to wearing what jerseys, ect. I still think Manziel is an amusing side show compared to what went on then (and now in other places). Going back further, I don't think Joe Namath would have made it through college in the modern era. Personally, I don't mind it because I think those kind of characters make sports fun. It's fun when they back it up, and it's fun when the go down in flames. It's fun to have a sports universe that contains both classy workmanlike guys and crazy party-boys.

[tarcone]

Question for everyone.
The announcers just said Iowa States stadium is the only football stadium in the United States named after a black person.

Is that true?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Question for everyone.
The announcers just said Iowa States stadium is the only football stadium in the United States named after a black person. Is that true?

I'm fairly sure it's not true if you extend it to every level. At the D1 level, seems quite possible.

[tarcone]

Iowa in Fg range. 3rd and 4. Sack and fumble. ISU ball. Blech.

[tarcone]

And another punt by ISU. 3 possessions, 3 punts for them. 2 possessions 1 punt and a fumble for us.

[miami_fan]

So that player has to stop playing when his helmet comes off?

[tarcone]

0-0 after the 1st quarter. Yawn.

[tarcone]

TD IOWA!!!

[kingfc22]

Well this got a lot more interesting. Huge swing of events with the red zone turnover combined with the 90+ TD.

[panerd]

0-0 after the 1st quarter. Yawn.

The same could be said for the updates from Iowa/Iowa State. :)

[BishopMVP]

Well this got a lot more interesting. Huge swing of events with the red zone turnover combined with the 90+ TD.Should've onsides kicked it.

Does Alabama teach their offensive linemen to push up on the D-linemen's facemask? It wouldn't hurt the refs to call illegal hands to the face once if you're gonna throw flags on D-linemen who play without a helmet... (saw it in the FSU game too)

[tarcone]

The same could be said for the updates from Iowa/Iowa State. :)

:p

[Lathum]

Huskies need to stop turning the ball over

[Lathum]

I sense a late cover coming from A&M

[JonInMiddleGA]

So that player has to stop playing when his helmet comes off?

Assuming the rule is same as the new one for HS (and they often are very similar on stuff like that) then yes. You pretty must stop activity immediately upon losing your helmet, allowed to complete the current action (i.e. they don't expect you to literally stop in mid-air in case you were diving when it came off).

You do anything else, that's a penalty.
Anybody touches you, that's a penalty on them.

[Danny]

Evans is a beast though

[BillJasper]

Mike Evans of A&M is a beast.

[kingfc22]

I sense a late cover coming from A&M

And there it is.

[Lathum]

fuck me

[tarcone]

13 straight runs by Iowa. And then a bad pass. FG Iowa.
10-0

[miami_fan]

Assuming the rule is same as the new one for HS (and they often are very similar on stuff like that) then yes. You pretty must stop activity immediately upon losing your helmet, allowed to complete the current action (i.e. they don't expect you to literally stop in mid-air in case you were diving when it came off).

You do anything else, that's a penalty.
Anybody touches you, that's a penalty on them.

Thanks for the info!

[tarcone]

Iowa gets a big INT and gets a FG. 13-0 Iowa at half.

[bob]

Irritated that I'm already hearing this called a classic. As far as i remember, Texas A&M never had the ball down only one score the entire second half. Any time they cut it to one score, Bama simply scored again.

[tarcone]

Irritated that I'm already hearing this called a classic. As far as i remember, Texas A&M never had the ball down only one score the entire second half. Any time they cut it to one score, Bama simply scored again.

BUT IT WAS JOHNNY FOOTBALL MAN!! C'MON!

[Matthean]

Would he even be a first round pick?

He still put up 464 yards with 5 TDs against the Tide. He'll put up enough numbers through the season that there will be little doubt about him going pro, and I can't wait until he's gone. :lol: I know there are a number of quality QB prospects out there, but you know somebody is going to be willing to roll the dice. Hell, I would think the Eagles would want him to be running that offense since you know Vick won't be around forever.

[BishopMVP]

Mike Evans of A&M is a beast.Yup. As much as the announcers were getting on Manziel for throwing that end zone pick (and that receiver did a terrible job tracking the ball), I couldn't understand why they kept lining Evans up on the near side hash. Maybe he can only play the right side, but it seems like you put him left on the wide side, you either have a 1v1 jump ball that he'll probably win, or Alabama's forced to put 2 defenders out there and give you a +1 to run the ball.

Kevin Sumlin also hurt them with clock management at the end of both halves. End of the 1st half he didn't call the TO after the Manziel scramble, it took them 15 seconds to run the next play, and they end up having time run out on a catch inside the 30 they could've gotten a FG attempt off... then 2nd half he didn't call TO's once Alabama was 1st and goal and obviously running the clock down every play. You were still going to have to recover an onside kick if they got any points, might as well do it with more time on the clock. (And on the off chance Alabama turned the ball over or missed a FG you don't need timeouts with 2+ minutes and that offense.)

[dawgfan]

So far, looking like a repeat of week 1 vs. Boise State - the Huskies are playing well, but shooting themselves in the foot just enough that the scoreboard doesn't reflect it. Up only 10-3, mainly because the Big Ten refs think only Pac-12 teams commit penalties.

I'm encouraged by the offense & defense, and I think they'll pull away in the 2nd half, but it's a lot closer than I'd prefer at this point.

[Dutch]

Well I'll be darned. The Kicker for the SC Gamecocks wears little wire-frame glasses. I can't remember the last time I saw a football player wearing glasses like he just showed up from English class.

http://blog.natewatson.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/landon-ard.png

[chadritt]

Bifocals even. South Carolina’s Landon Ard Ignores Taunts That Frame Him As a Bookworm - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/20/sports/ncaafootball/south-carolina-kicker-landon-ard-ignores-taunts-about-his-eyeglasses.html?_r=0)

[bob]

How the hell did Notre Dame - Purdue become the big national ABC night game? And I'm saying this as a ND fan.