NFL Week 2 Thread

[Lathum]

I am becoming less impressed with David Wilson

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/cruz-chat-wilson-giant-mistakes-article-1.1451488

you fucked up, own it. To call your fan base, one of the classiest and most supportive in all of sports, irrelevant, is disrespectful on so many levels.

Jets- PAts thursday night, I think the Jets keep it close, no Vereen or Amendola for Brady.

[Butter]

What does David Wilson have to do with the Viet Cong?

[Lathum]

What does David Wilson have to do with the Viet Cong?

I dont get it

[Butter]

"NLF".

[spleen1015]

What does David Wilson have to do with the Viet Cong?

:D

[Kodos]

What's a NiLF?

[Lathum]

What does David Wilson have to do with the Viet Cong?

I dont get it

"NLF".

touche

[Shkspr]

To call your fan base, one of the classiest and most supportive in all of sports, irrelevant, is disrespectful on so many levels.



Holy fuck! When did the Giants trade him?

[spleen1015]

Psst, Wilson, if the fans were really irrelevant, then you wouldn't feel the need to respond to them, hrm?

[lungs]

Holy fuck! When did the Giants trade him?

:lol:

[Lathum]

Holy fuck! When did the Giants trade him?

I'm going to assume this is sarcasm, if not go ahead and try and get on the season ticket wait list

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Fan base is buzzing about this week's game. Chiefs home opener against the Cowboys. That place is going to be a nut house. Noise level really should help our d-line get to Romo.

[cartman]

Appears someone has never heard of silent snap counts.

[Thomkal]

Well unfortunately Suh was not suspended, so I expect Carson Palmer to be sacked at least five times and have to leave the game due to an injury.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Appears someone has never heard of silent snap counts.

They had those during the days of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith too. How'd that work out?

[cartman]

They had those during the days of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith too. How'd that work out?

So, what does that have to do with crowd noise? When the Chiefs get to Romo it will be because the offensive line is the weakest unit on the team.

[Lathum]

So, what does that have to do with crowd noise? When the Chiefs get to Romo it will be because the offensive line is the weakest unit on the team.

go to a game in Seattle if you think crowd noise doesnt have an effect on a visiting offense. The Cowboys O-line is crappy already, giving them one more thing to think about wont help

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

go to a game in Seattle if you think crowd noise doesnt have an effect on a visiting offense. The Cowboys O-line is crappy already, giving them one more thing to think about wont help

Even with a silent snap count, when you've got 120-130 decibels ringing through your ears, it's disorienting. It's always funny to see lineman pop up early on their counts even on silent counts. It's even better when the color commentator is a former NFL lineman who laments, 'just look at the ball and that won't happen!' Easier said then done, especially when you're in Arrowhead facing Justin Houston and Tamba Hali on the ends. Communicating blitz pick-ups and audibles also become extremely difficult at best on a good day, leaving a QB unprotected or having a WR break the wrong way because he misread the audible.

Cowboys need to find a way to score first to quiet the crowd a bit. If the Chiefs score first, look out.

[cartman]

Even with a silent snap count, when you've got 120-130 decibels ringing through your ears, it's disorienting. It's always funny to see lineman pop up early on their counts even on silent counts. It's even better when the color commentator is a former NFL lineman who laments, 'just look at the ball and that won't happen!' Easier said then done, especially when you're in Arrowhead facing Justin Houston and Tamba Hali on the ends. Communicating blitz pick-ups and audibles also become extremely difficult at best on a good day, leaving a QB unprotected or having a WR break the wrong way because he misread the audible.

Cowboys need to find a way to score first to quiet the crowd a bit. If the Chiefs score first, look out.

If the crowd noise is such a great help, why is KC 14-26 over the past five seasons at home?

[Matthean]

Just imagine how bad they would be without it. :D

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

You guys don't understand. Despite not doing anything in any sport for roughly 30 years, Kansas City is still the center of the sports world.

[spleen1015]

You guys don't understand. Despite not doing anything in any sport for roughly 30 years, Kansas City is still the center of the sports world.

Gonna go buy me some Royals playoff tickets.

[Butter]

Watching the Bengals/Bears game last weekend, KC has the 3rd longest active playoff winless streak in the NFL behind Cincy and the Lions... 19 seasons without a playoff win.

[cartman]

And I think MBBF just MIGHT be overstating it a bit with his claims of 120-130db. (I know, shocking, right?). The highest recorded peak level at Arrowhead was 116db, and considering each 6db gain is a doubling of the pressure, that is quite the overstatement.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

If the crowd noise is such a great help, why is KC 14-26 over the past five seasons at home?

Do you really have to ask that? It certainly had little to do with the home field advantage. In fact, most are shocked that it wasn't worse than that given what we've had in regards to a GM and coaching over the past five years.

Anyone who's been paying attention realizes that the front office, coaching and talent levels are all vastly improved over what we've had. With that said, ask any NFL player who's played at Arrowhead, even in the bad years. They'll tell you that it's one of the most difficult places to play in the NFL for all the reasons already listed. Lathum mentioned Seattle. That's the only place I've been to a NFL game that rivals the noise generated at Arrowhead.

Book an airplane ticket up here. I'll get tickets if you find a way to get here.

[cartman]

My aunt and uncle are driving up for the game for my uncle's birthday. I'll trust them to give me an accurate report.

[gstelmack]

The NFL finally clamped down on amplified crowd noise, right?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

My aunt and uncle are driving up for the game for my uncle's birthday. I'll trust them to give me an accurate report.

FWIW, I can understand how surprised Cowboys fans could be regarding crowd noise. I'm sure many of them who are in attendance will be yelling at Chiefs fans to sit down and be quiet so they can see and hear the TV on the scoreboard. They may not even realize that you can actually look down and see the game being played on the field.

Your aunt and uncle will have a great time. Hopefully they're arriving early to tailgate.

[Danny]

Chiefs need Elvis Grbac to unretire and lead them to the playoffs.

[BishopMVP]

I am becoming less impressed with David Wilson

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/cruz-chat-wilson-giant-mistakes-article-1.1451488

you fucked up, own it. To call your fan base, one of the classiest and most supportive in all of sports, irrelevant, is disrespectful on so many levels.

Jets- PAts thursday night, I think the Jets keep it close, no Vereen or Amendola for Brady.I don't think any northeastern fan base that has enough of a vocal minority to support a WEEI/WFAN/whatever talk radio Philly has can be considered one of the most supportive in sports. Passionate, yes, informed, more than people give them credit for, supportive, no.

Jets are getting helped out with the short week - I'd wager on Amendola playing if he had the full week to get healthy. With Gronk and Vereen out and Dobson/Sudfeld hobbled, that means if the Jets blitz and lock off Edelman we'll be relying on Thompkins and Boyce for those hot read option routes that require so much timing and unspoken communication. Plus the Jets have upgraded from lolbad to cromulent at the QB position, so I'm definitely glad this one is in Foxboro. Weather forecast is hot and humid too, so we could see a 2nd consecutive Thursday night game delayed by Thunderstorms.

[cartman]

I don't think any northeastern fan base that has enough of a vocal minority to support a WEEI/WFAN/whatever talk radio Philly has can be considered one of the most supportive in sports. Passionate, yes, informed, more than people give them credit for, supportive, no.

Jets are getting helped out with the short week - I'd wager on Amendola playing if he had the full week to get healthy. With Gronk and Vereen out and Dobson/Sudfeld hobbled, that means if the Jets blitz and lock off Edelman we'll be relying on Thompkins and Boyce for those hot read option routes that require so much timing and unspoken communication. Plus the Jets have upgraded from lolbad to cromulent at the QB position, so I'm definitely glad this one is in Foxboro. Weather forecast is hot and humid too, so we could see a 2nd consecutive Thursday night game delayed by Thunderstorms.

That high humidity level should really help the Patriots get to Geno Smith.

[BishopMVP]

That high humidity level should really help the Patriots get to Geno Smith.I have no idea what that means. I could see it helping tire out the Jets D-Line (their big strength) if we go up tempo ground and pound.

[cuervo72]

High humidity...helps with their swim technique?

/got nothin'

[cartman]

I have no idea what that means.

/got nothin'

Exactly.

[Crapshoot]

I am becoming less impressed with David Wilson

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/cruz-chat-wilson-giant-mistakes-article-1.1451488

you fucked up, own it. To call your fan base, one of the classiest and most supportive in all of sports, irrelevant, is disrespectful on so many levels.

Jets- PAts thursday night, I think the Jets keep it close, no Vereen or Amendola for Brady.

Wait wait, classiest and most supportive? :D :D you sound like a StLouis Cardinals fan.

[cartman]

The Texans are having a "white out" for their game against the Titans this weekend. They are encouraging all of their fans to wear white to the game. And to top things off, to make it the whitest of "white out"s ever, Vanilla Ice is performing at halftime.

[Matthean]

The Texans are having a "white out" for their game against the Titans this weekend. They are encouraging all of their fans to wear white to the game. And to top things off, to make it the whitest of "white out"s ever, Vanilla Ice is performing at halftime.

I wonder what song he'll perform.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Will be interesting to see how the white-out helps the Texans linemen get to Locker.

[cuervo72]

Will be interesting to see how the white-out helps the Texans linemen get to Locker.

*snicker*

[cartman]

Will be interesting to see how the white-out helps the Texans linemen get to Locker.

When you have whiteness approaching 100 on the CIE reflection scale, it can be very disorienting. You add in Brian Cushing and JJ Watt staring in at you from the other side of the line, the whiteness can be overpowering.

[Kodos]

Cushing looks like the freakin' Stay Puft Marshmallow Man out there. It's terrifying and disorienting, to say the least! With all that whiteness, it's hard to even tell where the sideline is...

[Julio Riddols]

I don't think what Wilson said is that big of a deal. He is simply saying that other peoples thoughts about him are irrelevant because he is his own critic. The "no one wants me to succeed more than me" seems to support that. Of course it will get blown up because of social media, but really it is incredibly minor. If twitter were around back in the mid 90's, the Cowboys would have probably lost half their team when one of them tweeted about how much coke he had snorted before the big game.

[MalcPow]

That said, every 6mg of coke doubles the pressure on the quarterback.

WHITE OUT

[Julio Riddols]

White out also helps eliminate mistakes. Could be a big game.

[TroyF]

Do you really have to ask that? It certainly had little to do with the home field advantage. In fact, most are shocked that it wasn't worse than that given what we've had in regards to a GM and coaching over the past five years.

Anyone who's been paying attention realizes that the front office, coaching and talent levels are all vastly improved over what we've had. With that said, ask any NFL player who's played at Arrowhead, even in the bad years. They'll tell you that it's one of the most difficult places to play in the NFL for all the reasons already listed. Lathum mentioned Seattle. That's the only place I've been to a NFL game that rivals the noise generated at Arrowhead.

Book an airplane ticket up here. I'll get tickets if you find a way to get here.


They were 12-28 in the same time span on the road. Home field gained em two wins.

That said, I think I read somewhere once that KC had the best home winning percentage in the NFL since 1966.

That stadium can get pretty nuts.

[fantom1979]

The Texans are having a "white out" for their game against the Titans this weekend. They are encouraging all of their fans to wear white to the game. And to top things off, to make it the whitest of "white out"s ever, Vanilla Ice is performing at halftime.

Knowing the NFL, the white out will be sponsored by Clorox.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

They were 12-28 in the same time span on the road. Home field gained em two wins.

That said, I think I read somewhere once that KC had the best home winning percentage in the NFL since 1966.

That stadium can get pretty nuts.

When your team is terrible, you're not going to have nearly the same effect. There were a lot of games during that stretch where 30-40K was all that was there despite a sellout. It was somewhat embarrassing that they even mentioned it was a sellout. That's not an advantage at that point. Hence the reason Clark Hunt dumped the franchise on its head in the off-season.

There won't be an empty seat on Sunday and it's the home opener. Dallas will get the full Arrowhead experience.

[cartman]

"We're a team coming off of a 2-14 season, with a new coach who got fired last year after going 4-12, and we're playing a team that went 8-8 last year. LET'S GET LOUD"

[spleen1015]

"We're a team coming off of a 2-14 season, with a new coach who got fired last year after going 4-12, and we're playing a team that went 8-8 last year. LET'S GET LOUD"

I hope the stadium announcer breaks this out right before kickoff!

[mckerney]

I hope the stadium announcer breaks this out right before kickoff!

Either that or have a big ceremony before the game for Todd Blackledge, celebrating that he's the last QB drafted by the Chiefs to win a game for them. That would probably get the fans excited.

[spleen1015]

Good news Chiefs fans! 1 more win and you tie your win total for last year!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Good news Chiefs fans! 1 more win and you tie your win total for last year!

True to that. Would be fun to do that in week two.

[Danny]

When your team is terrible, you're not going to have nearly the same effect. There were a lot of games during that stretch where 30-40K was all that was there despite a sellout. It was somewhat embarrassing that they even mentioned it was a sellout. That's not an advantage at that point. Hence the reason Clark Hunt dumped the franchise on its head in the off-season.

There won't be an empty seat on Sunday and it's the home opener. Dallas will get the full Arrowhead experience.

Final Score

Dallas 31
Kansas City 10

[Kodos]

"We're a team coming off of a 2-14 season, with a new coach who got fired last year after going 4-12, and we're playing a team that went 8-8 last year. LET'S GET LOUD"

:D

[EagleFan]

Final Score

Dallas 31
Kansas City 10

So you're giving me KC plus 21, I'll take it.

[EagleFan]

WTF was that intro song? Yeah, that will really get us fired up to watch football...

[Abe Sargent]

I even like techno and didn't like it that much

[Abe Sargent]

Geno Baby!

[EagleFan]

Is it my imagination or are these announcers a little slanted to one side...

[cartman]

WTF was that intro song? Yeah, that will really get us fired up to watch football...

It is same one they use at Arrowhead Stadium.

[Abe Sargent]

THis entire game is a story of receivers sucking

[CU Tiger]

If the Chiefs ever played Mizzou....mind explosion...with the infinity times infinity to infinity times infinity final score....

Then each team would have infinity sacks and have bleeding ears from the infinity db crowd noise.

Woah.

Btw...130db is a gun fired within 3" of your ear and has a 30% chance of instant deafness...how one does that stadium get 130db again.

SMmfH.

[Lathum]

THis entire game is a story of receivers sucking

Yeah. Brady clearly frustrated.

[EagleFan]

Incomplete...

[Atocep]

Based on what I've seen tonight Aaron Dobson should be a Jets receiver.

[Julio Riddols]

I think the Chiefs have a solid shot at the playoffs this year. They're underrated.

[EagleFan]

Skies just broke open up there, wow.

[Dutch]

According to the sports ticker I'm seeing during the Rays game: Bucs LB Lavonte David fined $8,000 for pushing Jets QB Geno Smith out of bounds. I guess losing the game wasn't enough, the NFL had to fine the guy too. C'mon, man!

[BillJasper]

Dobson has hands of stone.

[BillJasper]

Skies just broke open up there, wow.

Weather at an NFL game! Tomorrow the NFL will be talking about the Patriots needing a stadium with a roof.

[EagleFan]

Why on earth not put a returner back there?

[DaddyTorgo]

Was traveling, so still catching up on my DVR...at 7 mins left in the first half...man could Dobson have 2 worse back to back failures to catch? He was wide open on that long ball on 3rd down and couldn't hold it.

GRRRRR

The young inexperienced receivers are definitely forcing the Pats to slow things down and huddle more often.

[Julio Riddols]

Let me also echo the Dobson sentiments. Looks like he sucks pretty bad.

[Julio Riddols]

These receivers are killing Brady. The only guy he can reliably throw it to is Edelman.

[Julio Riddols]

Uh oh, Brady broke out the magic spray Kraft has been working on.

[spleen1015]

2-0 Jets!

[DaddyTorgo]

When can we get Beli to admit that he fucked up by not resigning Welker?

[Desnudo]

I am becoming less impressed with David Wilson

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/cruz-chat-wilson-giant-mistakes-article-1.1451488

you fucked up, own it. To call your fan base, one of the classiest and most supportive in all of sports, irrelevant, is disrespectful on so many levels.

Jets- PAts thursday night, I think the Jets keep it close, no Vereen or Amendola for Brady.

Classay

[DaddyTorgo]

These receivers are killing Brady. The only guy he can reliably throw it to is Edelman.

This.

It's fucking criminal that Brady is being forced to work with this receiving corps in the last few years of his career. He must be fucking RIPSHIT thinking about it in private.

His QB rating is going to suck this year due to all the mis-run routes and dropped balls by these kids.

They MAY get better over the course of the year, but still.

[Desnudo]

Criminal - Welker, Gronk, Hernandez. A travesty!

[Desnudo]

Jets should just triple Edelman and shut down the offense

[DaddyTorgo]

Pats need to tack on 7 here.

[Atocep]

If the Jets released every receiver and signed free agents to replace them it couldn't be any worse than what they have right now.

[DaddyTorgo]

Both of these teams are basically offensively inept right now...it's fucking pathetic, and frustrating to watch TBH.

[DaddyTorgo]

The fuck kind of pass was that for 3rd and 5??

Lowest probability pass EVER, in a situation where you need to tack on points.

[Atocep]

The fuck kind of pass was that for 3rd and 5??

Lowest probability pass EVER, in a situation where you need to tack on points.

Yeah, 3rd and 5 and Brady decides to throw deep to the one guy that would be a downgrade to the Jets receiving corps.

[DaddyTorgo]

At least the Jets can run the ball...

[DaddyTorgo]

HORRIBLE throw by Geno. Jeez.

[cuervo72]

WHAT A DEFENSIVE STRUGGLE

/SEC'd

[DaddyTorgo]

4/17 on third downs??

That's fucking embarrassing.

[Desnudo]

who the hell calls a hb toss with 2 minutes left

[Desnudo]

nice, bad cramps, should sit down for a while.

[DaddyTorgo]

who the hell calls a hb toss with 2 minutes left

Josh McDaniels :(

[DaddyTorgo]

Why do I feel like the Pats are still going to lose this game?

[TroyF]

This.

It's fucking criminal that Brady is being forced to work with this receiving corps in the last few years of his career. He must be fucking RIPSHIT thinking about it in private.

His QB rating is going to suck this year due to all the mis-run routes and dropped balls by these kids.

They MAY get better over the course of the year, but still.

Last year he had a very good group to work with.

After the draft and FA, the Patriots figured they would have Gronk, Hernandez, Edelman and Amendola. Then the kids could have been worked in slowly.

Instead, Gronk is still hurt, Hernandez is in prison and Amendola is hurt (the least surprising of the three)

It looks bad right now, but if the other three guys get healthy, the Patriots will return to their scoring selves.

The Pats fans have been complete morons on these last two injuries. Neither guy was faking it and the last one gave no help to the Jets whatsoever. Pretty dumb.

[DaddyTorgo]

Last year he had a very good group to work with.

After the draft and FA, the Patriots figured they would have Gronk, Hernandez, Edelman and Amendola. Then the kids could have been worked in slowly.

Instead, Gronk is still hurt, Hernandez is in prison and Amendola is hurt (the least surprising of the three)

It looks bad right now, but if the other three guys get healthy, the Patriots will return to their scoring selves.

The Pats fans have been complete morons on these last two injuries. Neither guy was faking it and the last one gave no help to the Jets whatsoever. Pretty dumb.

Very true - still frustrating to have to watch right now though.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice pick Talib.

Love that he went to the sideline and went down it and ducked out of bounds instead of trying to be the hero and go for the endzone and potentially fumbling it back to the Jets.

Lucky for Pats to escape this one.

[ColtCrazy]

I swear the Pats don't win because they are good but because their division is full of teams that find amazing ways to suck.

To be fair, I think the NFL should rotate who gets to be in the AFC East with the Bills and Jets.

So, instead of the 0-2 Pats, it's the 2-0 Pats. I hate them. :(

[Desnudo]

announcing bitching has no idea what he's talking about. He was going out of bounds the whole time.

[DaddyTorgo]

Stay classy Jets.

[bhlloy]

Considering how many offensive lineman (rightly) complain about their knees being targeted, that's fucking bush league from Mangold. And I'm not a Patriots fan.

[Desnudo]

I swear the Pats don't win because they are good but because their division is full of teams that find amazing ways to suck.

To be fair, I think the NFL should rotate who gets to be in the AFC East with the Bills and Jets.

So, instead of the 0-2 Pats, it's the 2-0 Pats. I hate them. :(

Who had the weakest schedule in the league last year?

[DaddyTorgo]

announcing bitching has no idea what he's talking about. He was going out of bounds the whole time.

This. Talib did nothing wrong. He looked inside, saw nothing, and cut it back to the sideline to go out of bounds. He wasn't "dancing" along the sideline or whatever.

[TroyF]

The Jets started it and deserved the ejections, but a Patriot absolutely threw a punch and should have joined the players kicked out of the game there.

[DaddyTorgo]

Considering how many offensive lineman (rightly) complain about their knees being targeted, that's fucking bush league from Mangold. And I'm not a Patriots fan.

Mangold has always been a bush-league POS...I'm not surprised.

[SirFozzie]

That was Ugh-ly with a capital Ugh, but I'll take it. Our receiving corps is swiss cheese, and we need Gronk back quickly, we just don't ahve anyone who can regularly catch the 15 or so yard ball.

[BishopMVP]

This. Talib did nothing wrong. He looked inside, saw nothing, and cut it back to the sideline to go out of bounds. He wasn't "dancing" along the sideline or whatever.announcing bitching has no idea what he's talking about. He was going out of bounds the whole time.Please. He should have immediately gone down or sprinted straight out of bounds, instead he did look end zone. Then after Hill ran by and he saw he had no easy path Talib pranced for 2 steps and did a pirouette. I argued it last week when it was random teams, and I was yelling it at Talib when he stopped going full speed - run out of bounds full speed and protect yourself from injury.The Jets started it and deserved the ejections, but a Patriot absolutely threw a punch and should have joined the players kicked out of the game there.Looked like Dennard slapped/punched #66 immediately and Michael Buchanon threw a punch at him during the scrum. Joe Vellano also kinda threw something late, but that looked more like a reactionary push than a punch. Whatever... since the NFL doesn't suspend anyone for these things, given the time situation you could have thrown out any 35 players on either side and it wouldn't matter past whatever fines the NFL doles out.When can we get Beli to admit that he fucked up by not resigning Welker?If people want to argue that he should have kept Welker over Amendola based off one (not entirely surprising) groin pull, fine (I disagree), but let's stop pretending like it was Welker vs. Dobson/Thompkins. If you think he fucked up by cutting Brandon Lloyd, I would've agreed with you until I read the recent comments by Lloyd where he claimed 4 teams had contacted him but he was neither physically or mentally ready to play football. And as much as Tom Brady was getting pissed - and there were some bad reads on option routes - he also threw multiple bad balls in that first half. I'm pretty much ignoring the 2nd half in that rain.So, instead of the 0-2 Pats, it's the 2-0 Pats. I hate them. :(Nothing I didn't predict in the Preseason thread 2 weeks ago, but hey, <iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/W42iiCcFbxE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[spleen1015]

I swear the Pats don't win because they are good but because their division is full of teams that find amazing ways to suck.

To be fair, I think the NFL should rotate who gets to be in the AFC East with the Bills and Jets.

So, instead of the 0-2 Pats, it's the 2-0 Pats. I hate them. :(

How many years have the Jaguars and Texans been just as bad as the Jets and the Bills?

[gstelmack]

When can we get Beli to admit that he fucked up by not resigning Welker?

They offered him roughly what the Broncos did (I know there are disputes about how much was guaranteed vs performance bonuses, but everyone agrees if he had played like the last couple of seasons he would have received the same money), but Welker thought he could get more and shopped himself around until the Patriots ran out of time and signed Amendola cheaper.

There was clearly something behind the scenes other than contract numbers and pay at work here.

[gstelmack]

How many years have the Jaguars and Texans been just as bad as the Jets and the Bills?

Or the NFC West for several years?

[DaddyTorgo]

They offered him roughly what the Broncos did (I know there are disputes about how much was guaranteed vs performance bonuses, but everyone agrees if he had played like the last couple of seasons he would have received the same money), but Welker thought he could get more and shopped himself around until the Patriots ran out of time and signed Amendola cheaper.

There was clearly something behind the scenes other than contract numbers and pay at work here.

True. But Beli is responsible for "behind the scenes" how he treats the players too. Maybe he should have been a little nicer to Welker.

I mean ultimately we don't know what it was - maybe it was Welker's fault or whatever. Maybe it all goes back to that stupid Rex Ryan foot thing...who the hell knows.

Just saying - it takes 2 to tango.

[Lathum]

FWIW Ed Werder was just on the Herd and used Seattle and Kansas City as his 2 examples of stadiums with advantages because of crown noise

[cartman]

FWIW Ed Werder was just on the Herd and used Seattle and Kansas City as his 2 examples of stadiums with advantages because of crown noise

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[miami_fan]

KICKER BEEF!:D

Sebastian Janikowski of Oakland Raiders refutes report, says he's a fan of Oakland Athletics - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9666591/sebastian-janikowski-oakland-raiders-refutes-report-says-fan-oakland-athletics)

ALAMEDA, Calif. -- Raiders kicker Sebastian Janikowski angrily took issue with a Florida Times Union report that said he annually roots against the Oakland Athletics.

According to the Times Union, Jacksonville Jaguars kicker Josh Scobee said that Janikowski told him he roots against the A's each year because the sooner their season wraps up, the quicker the dirt infield is gone from O.co Coliseum, which both Oakland teams call home. That way, according to the report, Janikowski said he can stop worrying about kicking on slippery dirt.One issue, though: Janikowski said he never told Scobee such a thing.

And when he saw the story?

"I was pissed off," said Janikowski, who rarely speaks to reporters but was waiting in the middle of the Raiders locker room at the start of the media access period Thursday. "That's why I'm talking to you guys. I wanted to get that straight."

The Raiders are the lone team in the NFL to share a stadium with a major league baseball club, and until the A's season concludes, they must endure playing with dirt in the middle of O.co Coliseum. In fact, the Raiders' home game against the San Diego Chargers on Oct. 6 might be switched to Dec. 22, with Oakland traveling to play the Chargers earlier if the A's are hosting a playoff game too close to that date.

A decision has to be made within two weeks of Oct. 6, according to a team official.

But as far as Janikowski cheering the A's demise?

"Stupid," Janikowski said. "Ridiculous. I root for the A's. We've got an advantage here. I root for the A's. Don't get me wrong; I go to the games. But whatever (Scobee) says, it just blows my mind."

Then, a conversation with Scobee never happened?

"No, didn't happen," Janikowski said. "Hell no. Just wanted to let you know.

"When Jason (Giambi) was with the A's, I was going to games. Now, with two kids, not so much. But they make the postseason? I'm in. I've kicked 14 years on it (the dirt). It really doesn't bother me."

Scobee, meanwhile, has been practicing on a baseball infield in Jacksonville in anticipation of the team's game Sunday at Oakland, which will be playing its home opener. And that's just fine with the Raiders' first-round pick in 2000 and their all-time leading scorer. It's a mind game for visitors. Besides, Janikowski set an NFL record for longest overtime field goal -- on the dirt -- to beat Brett Favre and the New York Jets with a 57-yarder on Oct. 19, 2008.

"I think it's an advantage for us," Janikowski said." Guys come in and they think about it so much: 'Do I have to plant my foot differently? Or whatever. I'm not going to tell them what to do."

Janikowski, though, said he's not going to talk to Scobee on Sunday, either.

[albionmoonlight]

Thursday football is sloppy, bad football.

[Lathum]

Janikowski has been in the league for 14 years already? Jesus.

[Lathum]

dola- I predict the Raiders season will be over before the A's

[cartman]

Janikowski has been in the league for 14 years already? Jesus.

Rohypnol does slow everything down.

[Danny]

And as much as it was made fun of, he was one of the Raiders best first round picks of the last 15 years

[gstelmack]

Thursday football is sloppy, bad football.

This is true.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Has Clay Matthews been fined for his hit on Kapernick?

[Honolulu_Blue]

Well unfortunately Suh was not suspended, so I expect Carson Palmer to be sacked at least five times and have to leave the game due to an injury.

I think your beloved Cards should be okay this Sunday. The Lions have traditionally played very poorly on the West Coast (that's even in Lions terms, which means they've pretty much played horrendously). They haven't won in Arizona since 1993.

Even last year, late in the year, when the wheels had already flown off the Cardinals' wagon, the Cardinals pounded the Lions 38-10 behind the potent offensive attack of Ryan Lindley and Beanie Wells (helped, in large part, by Stafford's 3 picks and a Stefan Logan fumble).

[Thomkal]

I think your beloved Cards should be okay this Sunday. The Lions have traditionally played very poorly on the West Coast (that's even in Lions terms, which means they've pretty much played horrendously). They haven't won in Arizona since 1993.

Even last year, late in the year, when the wheels had already flown off the Cardinals' wagon, the Cardinals pounded the Lions 38-10 behind the potent offensive attack of Ryan Lindley and Beanie Wells (helped, in large part, by Stafford's 3 picks and a Stefan Logan fumble).

Okay I feel better now :) I had forgotten that they beat the Lions last season. (I think I've almost blocked that horrific season from my memory) Maybe they can win this one then...I still wish Suh had been suspended for it though LOL.

[Coffee Warlord]

Rather unimpressive start for the Bears.

[Coffee Warlord]

However, I give you Exhibit A as to why kickoffs should not be removed.

Minnesota returns the opener for a TD, Hester returns the ensuing kickoff for something like 70 yards.

[Easy Mac]

So when is it a penalty for a runner to lower his head outside of the tackles? I've just been watching red zone this season and I've seen it many times without any penalty.

[Coffee Warlord]

I get the feeling even the refs decided that was dumb / impossible to judge, and won't enforce it.

[Lathum]

Well done Direct TV, for the second straight week I can't access t Sunday Ticket online because your entire site is down. Glad I'm not actually paying for it, someone there really needs to figure out they need to increase their bandwith at 1:00 on Sundays

[Suicane75]

Well done Direct TV, for the second straight week I can't access t Sunday Ticket online because your entire site is down. Glad I'm not actually paying for it, someone there really needs to figure out they need to increase their bandwith at 1:00 on Sundays

Indeed.

Also, it was nice of Andy Reid to leave his "when to throw the challenge flag" manual behind for Chip Kelly.

[miami_fan]

So they are okay with calling teams offensive names like R******s but calling someone a bitch is going to draw a penalty?

NFL wants to flag more players for using profanity in games - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9677361/nfl-wants-flag-more-players-using-profanity-games)

Referee Jeff Triplette's crew, which worked the Seahawks-Panthers game last week, repeatedly warned players about profanities directed at each other and even flagged the Seattle's K.J. Wright for mouthing a loud obscenity at a Carolina player. Technically, it was a taunting penalty, but the NFL Competition Committee recommended emphasis on such verbal abuse.

League VP of officiating Dean Blandino conceded Saturday to ESPN that officials want to curtail "actions [verbal or otherwise] directed at an opponent."

Blandino said profanity by itself is not prohibited, but where verbal actions are directed at an opponent, it's usually profane.

In light of the many scuffles that surfaced in Week 1 and this past Thursday night between the New England Patriots and New York Jets, more enforcement is anticipated.

[kingfc22]

Apparently Brandon Meriweather hasn't figured out how to tackle without leading with his helmet and that the NFL is trying to eliminate that from the game.

[kingfc22]

Washington and St. Louis getting blown out.

[mckerney]

Adrian Peterson looks like someone desperate for any sort of threat of a passing game to help him out.

[Coffee Warlord]

Eric Weems decided to lose his mind there.

[Jas_lov]

Maybe that will teach him. Twice he tried to take out GB running backs, once he succeeded the second time he takes out himself. Now the Packers can go for the kill. Shanahan is an idiot punting from the 33 yard line. Who punts from the 33?

[Jon]

Well done Direct TV, for the second straight week I can't access t Sunday Ticket online because your entire site is down. Glad I'm not actually paying for it, someone there really needs to figure out they need to increase their bandwith at 1:00 on Sundays

And then when you call them, they say it's EA Sports responsibility.

When you contact EA Sports, they tell you it's Directv.

It's a new Madden Curse, I guess.

[kingfc22]

Texans will be looking for a new FG kicker this week.

[Lathum]

And then when you call them, they say it's EA Sports responsibility.

When you contact EA Sports, they tell you it's Directv.

It's a new Madden Curse, I guess.

I didn't get it through EA/ MAdden, I am through DTV and they still can't get it right.

[cuervo72]

So I can miss an Eagles drive, rewind, watch the drive, speed through the commercials, and only miss the kickoff before being live again.

[korme]

Quietly rooting for the Browns today- I'd love to see the Ravens 0-2. Browns D looks good, it's just their offense that is terrible.

[Coffee Warlord]

Hester's definitely back to being Hester.

[BillJasper]

Washington looks terrible.

[Jas_lov]

327 total yards to 92. The Packers are destroying the Redskins.

[kingfc22]

Redskins competing with the Ravens through 1.5 games for the crown of most underwhelming team of those that had expectations going into the season.

[miami_fan]

Redskins competing with the Ravens through 1.5 games for the crown of most underwhelming team of those that had expectations going into the season.

No competition at all. I know a lot of people who did not have the Ravens in the playoffs.

[Matthean]

I would be sad if there wasn't a tailgating BBQ cook-off for the Dallas-KC game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Dear Bears - Stop turning it over. Thanks.

[mckerney]

Pick Six Ponder is back!

[hoopsguy]

So they are okay with calling teams offensive names like R******s but calling someone a bitch is going to draw a penalty?

NFL wants to flag more players for using profanity in games - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9677361/nfl-wants-flag-more-players-using-profanity-games)

Hard to believe that Triplette's crew would screw up a game :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Do you think Hochuli's crew would have issues controlling players? Could understand it a little for a heated rivalry like Steelers/Ravens or even Seahawks/49ers tonight, but Seahawks/Panthers? Really?

[BillJasper]

Griffin definitely isn't the same player he was last year.

[Coffee Warlord]

WTF Fox.

Video feed going out...THEN you cut to the Halftime report while the Bears are still driving?

[hoopsguy]

Technical difficulties have wiped out video for the last 5 minutes of Chicago/Minnesota. Including the Viking TD that tied up the score at 21.

No DirectTV, home game, so no option to flip over to other game. Pretty frustrating. That feeling is only magnified upon hearing Billick & Co apologize for technical difficulties while reminding me that "no one does it better than the NFL on Fox."

[Radii]

Really nice 2 minute drive led by Cam, 90 yard drive, TD pass to Olson. The one highlight in a really, really crappy game, 7-3 Panthers at the half.

[Jas_lov]

The only way the Redskins can stop the Packers is if a Packer WR reaches out for the goal line, loses the ball and it hits the pylon for a touch back. Would have been nice to go up 31-0 there. Rodgers should be able to get a nice rest in the 4th quarter.

[korme]

Griffin just start throwing the ball to Leonard Hankerson. I started him, you know that right?

[Julio Riddols]

Griffin just start throwing the ball to Leonard Hankerson. I started him, you know that right?

The key here is to know that the Redskins will be throwing the rest of the game, so Hankerson should end up with some solid garbage time catches. Maybe they'll put in Cousins.

[Easy Mac]

Malcolm Floyd is lucky not to be dead right now.

[TroyF]

9 early games, 6 QB's over 200 yards at halftime.

Rodgers
Rivers
Vick
Ryan
Tannehil
Luck

The early games do not include either Manning, Wilson, Kaepernick, Stafford, or Brees.

400 yards is the new 300 yards.

[Julio Riddols]

It looks like the game plan for beating Philly is to keep their defense on the field as much as possible, which makes sense.. Somehow I still don't think that will be enough for the Chargers.

[ColtCrazy]

Great Dolphin-Colts game so far. Dolphins raced ahead, but Luck seems to just reach another level when the Colts are under pressure. Fun game. Tannehill looks good too. Both teams need better running attacks, but Bradshaw is showing some flashes today.

[Julio Riddols]

I think I like E.J. Manuel enough to say that Buffalo has their best QB since Kelly.

[EagleFan]

Floyd being taken off, looked like one of those bad freak combination of events. Hope he is okay. He was moving his legs so that is good.

[Easy Mac]

I like how every time red zone flips to a new game, theres another player lying motionless or writhing on the ground.

[EagleFan]

This Eagles defense (if that's what you want to call it) is going to be painful to watch all season.

[Julio Riddols]

Eddie Royal? Who is this Eddie Royal?

[cuervo72]

This Eagles defense (if that's what you want to call it) is going to be painful to watch all season.

Yeah, they're not good. But, kinda expected that.

[EagleFan]

Yeah, they're not good. But, kinda expected that.

Expected bad, but not this bad.

[EagleFan]

Is it just me or does Phillip Rivers have that look that just makes you want to punch him in the face?

[EagleFan]

Holy crap, they defended a pass!!! ;)

[Julio Riddols]

I'm convinced Ray Rice is over the hill in some way.

Also Vick.. Whooooo, boy that offense..

[hoopsguy]

Bears recover a WR fumble in end zone, called as touch back. But I don't think Vikings guy ever had control of that ball.

Reversal = 4th and 6, short field goal to tie game.

[TroyF]

Is it just me or does Phillip Rivers have that look that just makes you want to punch him in the face?

You just noticed this? In the early part of his career, I hated the guy with a passion because of it, but respected just how good of a QB he was. Man, he was special for awhile.

Then, he descended into average and then complete sucktitude. Now I don't even have to respect him, I just wait for him to fold after he looks good for two quarters. If I ever had a son, Rivers would be the guy I would teach my kid NOT to emulate in body language. (Cutler would be another one)

So Vick overthrows Jackson like four time when he doesn't have anyone within 10 yards of him and then hits him in stride when the pass had to be perfect. Go figure. This Eagles offense is unreal. They've left at least 21 points on the field today.

[DaddyTorgo]

Ryan Succup...LOL...best name in the NFL?

[EagleFan]

You just noticed this? In the early part of his career, I hated the guy with a passion because of it, but respected just how good of a QB he was. Man, he was special for awhile.

Then, he descended into average and then complete sucktitude. Now I don't even have to respect him, I just wait for him to fold after he looks good for two quarters. If I ever had a son, Rivers would be the guy I would teach my kid NOT to emulate in body language. (Cutler would be another one)

So Vick overthrows Jackson like four time when he doesn't have anyone within 10 yards of him and then hits him in stride when the pass had to be perfect. Go figure. This Eagles offense is unreal. They've left at least 21 points on the field today.

Never really saw much Chargers football.

[JPhillips]

KC crowd noise clearly doing the job. Romo only 22/27.

[mckerney]

9 early games, 6 QB's over 200 yards at halftime.

Rodgers
Rivers
Vick
Ryan
Tannehil
Luck

The early games do not include either Manning, Wilson, Kaepernick, Stafford, or Brees.

400 yards is the new 300 yards.

And yet in Minnesota we celebrate when the QB manages to get 100 yards by halftime. Or the end of the game.

[EagleFan]

The Ravens are making me nervous, have them in a survivor pool. Not what I expected, thought they would crank it up this week after the loss.

[Coffee Warlord]

Chicago D is looking decidedly old, Chicago O looking decidedly mediocre.

[RedKingGold]

With all these close games in the 4th quarter, I think we're going to have one of those magical days where I'm very thankful RedZone was invented.

[ColtCrazy]

Dolphins nearly wrap up Luck on 3rd and 12. He somehow escapes and runs for a first down. Must be the 4th quarter. Madden should have a fourth quarter Luck like they had a Sunday Tiger. Damn, I love watching Luck play.

[Thomkal]

Really nice 2 minute drive led by Cam, 90 yard drive, TD pass to Olson. The one highlight in a really, really crappy game, 7-3 Panthers at the half.

Hey Radii,

watching on red zone here-looked like a lot of injuries for Carolina-who got hurt, any serious?

[ColtCrazy]

Luck picked in the end zone. Oh well. Not looking good for the win today. Dolphins may be a good challenge for New England.

[Thomkal]

Tony Romo trying very hard to get intercepted. Man, glad I didn't pick Houston in the survivor pool

[RedKingGold]

Kansas City getting a taste of Reid's clock management skills, has blown two TO's in the second half only up by 4 with Dallas driving.

[TroyF]

Luck picked in the end zone. Oh well. Not looking good for the win today. Dolphins may be a good challenge for New England.

8 minutes left in a four point game? I don't think hope is lost quite yet.

[Radii]

I think I like E.J. Manuel enough to say that Buffalo has their best QB since Kelly.

Thank you for the jinx, I think?

[ColtCrazy]

8 minutes left in a four point game? I don't think hope is lost quite yet.

No. That's the negativity in me coming out. :)

But the Dolphins are moving. Worried this becomes a two score game.

Update: good spot gives the Dolphins another first down.

[miami_fan]

I am going to guess that there is no chance of having another NFL player nicknamed Blood and getting honored with a statue.

[kingfc22]

Guess the answer to how long Vick would hold up has been answered. No way he gets through 16.

[ColtCrazy]

No protection for Luck. Turnover on downs.

[miami_fan]

Woo hoooooo! Miami's ball.

[ColtCrazy]

Woo hoooooo! Miami's ball.

Big win for the Dolphins. Now go knock the Pats off their AFC East perch!

Dolphins looked tough. Colts not bad, but they need help along the line. Luck needs protection.

[Izulde]

Man so exciting for the Dolphins to be winning again.

[BishopMVP]

Kansas City getting a taste of Reid's clock management skills, has blown two TO's in the second half only up by 4 with Dallas driving.And Jamaal Charles running OOB. Gets bailed out by a questionable PI call on Dallas. Crowd noise must have made the ref throw that.

AFC East now 4-0 outside the division. BEST DIVISION IN FOOTBALL!!!!

[Solecismic]

Guess the answer to how long Vick would hold up has been answered. No way he gets through 16.

It's a great offense for him. Even if he and McCoy hold up, the bigger question is whether a coach that gives 100% to his offense and doesn't have great talent on defense can win in the NFL.

If Philly wins 12 games and scores 500 points, the NFL will look very different next year.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Man, was amazing to see the difference in the Cowboys when the Chiefs got in front and started double teaming Bryant. Their offense went from good to abysmal in a huge hurry. Romo doesn't know where to go if you put two players on Bryant.

Also funny to hear all the comments on the telecast given the discussion earlier in the week:

"Chiefs crowd is playing a major factor in the game." - Tim Ryan

"Frenzied crowd atmosphere here in KC" - Chris Myers

"I wish I could have heard what you said, but I'm sure it was exciting." - Chris Myers

"We pumped the noise into our practice facility specifically to prepare for this atmosphere." - Jason Garrett

"My last trip to Arrowhead didn't end well. It was crazy." - Alex Smith

"Sorry, we weren't able to hear you during that highlight." - Chris Myers

[Radii]

Thank you for the jinx, I think?

Right, shoulda known better. Carolina forces two turnovers in a row inside the Buffalo 25, can't get into the end zone, chokes in the end (again)

[Coffee Warlord]

Cutler with back to back 4th quarter comebacks now. WTF.

[whomario]

This icing the kicker thing might be the stupidest thing in the NFL.

WTF, the ball hits the post on a weird spin to the left ... Bullock does not look like an athlete that´s in any sort of decent shape btw. I know he´s only a kicker, but still ...

[Julio Riddols]

RANDY BULLOCK IS AWESOME.

[Radii]

This icing the kicker thing might be the stupidest thing in the NFL.

I usually agree, but in this case, that sequence was hilarious.

[Julio Riddols]

Thank you for the jinx, I think?

What jinx?

[Lathum]

Monte Ball pulls his best David Wilson

[hoopsguy]

Cutler with back to back 4th quarter comebacks now. WTF.

Bears did just about everything they could to give that game to the Vikings, but still got the win.
- special teams TD
- defensive TD
- red zone interception to kill another drive
- 4th quarter fumble at midfield
- risk a timeout on challenge to force Peterson can pick up 4th and 1/12 inch.

I'm sure I'm missing some, but was fun to see (well, 1st half follow along at nfl.com due to technical difficulties) Bears getting points at the end of each half. Offense isn't exactly clicking on all cylinders, but seems much better conceived than last couple of seasons where plays came in late and Marshall was target for 40% of all passes.

[cuervo72]

These Jags helmets are really, really dumb looking.

(Yeah...for some reason I feel compelled to watch a little of this game. I think it's the feeling that I'm seeing something nobody else is.)

[TroyF]

Cheap shot by the Broncos, that shouldn't have been illegal contact, that should have been a personal foul. I think it was offensive PI on the Giants player that went uncalled on the same play.

[Lathum]

Cheap shot by the Broncos, that shouldn't have been illegal contact, that should have been a personal foul. I think it was offensive PI on the Giants player that went uncalled on the same play.

I thought it was offensive PI also. Giants need to learn to hold onto the ball,should have been a declined penalty and a TD.

[Coffee Warlord]

I think Megatron just sunk me for fantasy this week.

[Danny]

About the worse possible week in fantasy as possible.

[SackAttack]

Got to go to my first NFL regular season game today. Even better: got the ticket for $20, and the rain stopped almost literally right at kickoff.

[TroyF]

So I guess Cruz is good enough where he can be running close to full speed, have the ball thrown 10 yards behind him and low, and somehow stop, dive backwards 10 yards and catch the ball off the turf in one motion taking under 1/3 of a second.

The ref can call holding there, they absolutely cannot call PI there unless they are trying to change the rules of the game.

[Buccaneer]

9 early games, 6 QB's over 200 yards at halftime.

Rodgers
Rivers
Vick
Ryan
Tannehil
Luck

The early games do not include either Manning, Wilson, Kaepernick, Stafford, or Brees.

400 yards is the new 300 yards.

And now Peyton with exactly 200 at halftime.

[Lathum]

Bad call on Clairborn there

[mckerney]

Bears did just about everything they could to give that game to the Vikings, but still got the win.
- special teams TD
- defensive TD
- red zone interception to kill another drive
- 4th quarter fumble at midfield
- risk a timeout on challenge to force Peterson can pick up 4th and 1/12 inch.

I'm sure I'm missing some, but was fun to see (well, 1st half follow along at nfl.com due to technical difficulties) Bears getting points at the end of each half. Offense isn't exactly clicking on all cylinders, but seems much better conceived than last couple of seasons where plays came in late and Marshall was target for 40% of all passes.

Vikings offense did plenty to make sure the game couldn't be handed to them.

[Thomkal]

:::sighs at Carson Palmer after that awful INT:::

[Thomkal]

holy crap Patrick Peterson just had his first pass thrown on a trick play, about 15 yards.

[BillJasper]

Dolphins open 2-0 with both games on the road. That has me optimistic.

[Logan]

So they are okay with calling teams offensive names like R******s but calling someone a bitch is going to draw a penalty?

NFL wants to flag more players for using profanity in games - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9677361/nfl-wants-flag-more-players-using-profanity-games)

I shit you not, I read this as "Raiders" the first time around.

[Buccaneer]

I shit you not, I read this as "Raiders" the first time around.

That's funny, I read that as Rutgers. :lol:

[TroyF]

This is getting to be pretty comical. If a Bronco defender breathes on a Giant WR or OL it's a flag and a first down.

As I type that, another joke of a flag comes in. At this point, I'm wondering how much money the Giants gave the refs. That was not PI. It simply wasn't. Simply horrible.

[Lathum]

and Jacobs begins his MVP campaign.

[EagleFan]

So the play before the defender says something and gets flagged but after Jacobs scores and does his little dance he turns and gets in the defender's face but that isn't a penalty?

[Galaril]

This is getting to be pretty comical. If a Bronco defender breathes on a Giant WR or OL it's a flag and a first down.

As I type that, another joke of a flag comes in. At this point, I'm wondering how much money the Giants gave the refs. That was not PI. It simply wasn't. Simply horrible.
Agree what the NFL has become is a far cry from the sport it was and intended to be. Players can't do anything.Thanks Goodell NFL is quickly becoming arena ball.

[TroyF]

and Jacobs begins his MVP campaign.

Well, if the refs call 8 defensive penalties a drive, he can average his 1/2 yard a carry and get about 600 TD's this year.

[EagleFan]

hanks Goodell . NFL is qucikly becoming arena ball.

Now Pumpy needs Kleenex after reading that...

[TroyF]

Agree what the NFL has become is a far cry from the psort it was andinteneded to be. Players can't do anything. Thanks Goodell . NFL is qucikly becoming arena ball.

Honestly, I don't mind some of the calls. the Carter one where he wasn't looking back was a PI. The last couple were just comical. I'm sure Jim Harbaugh wishes he had the ref who threw the flag in the end zone in last years Super Bowl. It not only would have been PI, it would have been a personal foul and an ejection if this guy stayed consistent.

[BishopMVP]

Hmm... I would've gone for 2 there. (NYG scored to cut it to 17-15 with 3min left in the 3rd Q)

[Lathum]

ZOMG!!!!!! THE REFS CALLED 2 PENALTIES ON THE GIANTS THAT DRIVE, WHAT BS!!!

[Julio Riddols]

Mark Ingram has to be one of the biggest busts in recent years.

[TroyF]

ZOMG!!!!!! THE REFS CALLED 2 PENALTIES ON THE GIANTS THAT DRIVE, WHAT BS!!!

In all fairness, one they couldn't have refused to call even if they wanted to. The hands to the face one I'm happy about.

As for the rest, I don't give a crap if the Broncos get called for fouls they commit. I even said earlier in the thread one of them should have received a personal foul penalty instead of a five yard illegal use of the hands penalty.

If you truly think the PI call in the end zone (and a couple of the other calls) in the Giants favor have been correct, we'll just agree to disagree, ok?

[Julio Riddols]

And that was a catch in the Zona game.

[TroyF]

Serious, serious luck there. I bash Eli for stupid decisions as much as anyone, that's just a horrible break.

[Lathum]

you gotta be kidding me

[TroyF]

This is the stuff I hate. I think this was a catch, but the strict letter of the law can say otherwise. I think he took two steps and dove off the left foot, but I would have a difficult time arguing anyone who said that wasn't the case.

Glad it stood. This is where Von Miller is missed so badly. Two score lead late, we know the Giants are passing it and Von isn't there to supply a pass rush. This thing isn't over yet, despite Denver being dominant in this one.

If Eli makes a mistake, Denver needs to grab it and not assume it's ok if they don't.

[hoopsguy]

With 5 minutes left to play, the Jags have 115 yards of offense.
Against the Raiders.

Oooooph.

[kingfc22]

4th and 4 and you run a 2 yard route...

[Julio Riddols]

The Jags may challenge the 2000 Bengals for terrible offense this season.

[fantom1979]

With 5 minutes left to play, the Jags have 115 yards of offense.
Against the Raiders.

Oooooph.

They had all of 178 total yards against KC last week. I have been saying all off-season that the Jets have the worst offense in the NFL, but it looks like I was very wrong.

[fantom1979]

Eddie Royal? Who is this Eddie Royal?

9 catches for 146 yards and a touchdown in his first game as a rookie in 2008....

and he has done pretty much nothing since until his TD explosion to start this season.

[TroyF]

That was clean. 2 years ago, Moore would have took his head off. He'd have helmet to helmet and been fined and/or suspended. (with good reason) Only thing I don't like about it here is there is no reason to play that physical now. Go for the ball, leave the hard hits out of it at this point.

[BishopMVP]

Haha, ugliest form on a TD pass ever. Maybe Durell Scott should get some carries over Wilson.

[TroyF]

Whew.

[RedKingGold]

LOLBucs

[fantom1979]

LOLBucs

bad to worse.

Freeman pick

[Atocep]

The best thing about the Bears season thus far is through 2 games, both against outstanding defensive lines, the bears have allowed a total of 1 sack and haven't done anything special to protect the QB.

It's amazing what some solid blocking and an offense that doesn't ask for the QB to hold the ball for 4 seconds because the routes are being run so far down the field does for a team.

[fantom1979]

Just when I thought the Saints were about to put the game away.... Brees pick 6.

[Lathum]

UWs own Mason Foster!

[kingfc22]

Niners will need to have a run game tonight unlike last week to win.

[BishopMVP]

How was that not called a false start on the blocked punt?

[RedKingGold]

Seattle was not in a three point stance.