Ping: Referees

[Poli]

Team A has the ball on Team B's 30 yard line and it is 3rd and 10.

Team A attempts to throw a hitch pass that hits the ground. A referee starts to call the pass incomplete, begins to blow into his whistle and stops.

Team B has a player pick up the ball and attempt to throw it to the referee. The referee moves out of the way and the ball travels 20 yards to the 50 yard line. Team A recovers the ball.

Sort this mess out.

Here's how it broke down for us:
The referee maintained that he did not blow the play dead on the incomplete pass and that Team A recovered a loose ball on the 50. 4th and 30 for Team A on the 50. Not a chance that's correct.

[Logan]

How does the referee reconcile the ball hitting the ground as a result of a forward pass, and then going backwards however many yards?

[TroyF]

Not a ref, but if he's going to rule this a fumble and the ball is picked up by the defense, that's a change of possession and new downs no matter how the play ends.

I believe a forward pass after a change of possession is a five yard penalty from the spot of the foul.

[Maple Leafs]

How do you begin to blow into your whistle and then stop? I mean, it either makes a noise or it doesn't, right?

[britrock88]

And the forward throw of the ball by the defending player is illegal, too.

[Poli]

Inadvertent whistle on the incomplete pass/lateral should make this a 4th and 10 on the 30 for Team A as far as I'm concerned.

Logan and Troy, near as I can tell, he ruled that Team B's player continued the play with that pass being a 'loose ball'. Which is about impossible, since he picked up the ball and threw it to the referee.

At that point, when he takes possession of the ball, it is Team B's ball. It is an illegal forward pass. Team B's ball at around the 27 or after the penalty.

It's all moot, though. The whistle killed the play. That's the very reason B's player (my player, FWIW) threw the ball back to the referee. The half hearted whistle can be heard on the film. Instead of a 'confident' long blown whistle, it came out for about a second and was definitely cut short.

[revrew]

IMO, If the whistle sounded, it's sounded. No such thing as a "half-whistle."

Also, since it sounded, the ref should have the personal integrity to say, "My bad, inadvertent whistle. Sorry, Team B."

[corbes]

If you blow the whistle at all, play stops. Period.

[Dr. Sak]

He either blew the whistle and calls it an incomplete pass or had an inadvertent whistle which means A has the choice to accept the result of the play or replay the down.