NFL Week 3 thread, Trent Richardson is a Colt

[Lathum]

Cleveland Browns trade Trent Richardson to Indianapolis Colts, according to source - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/9690728/cleveland-browns-trade-trent-richardson-indianapolis-colts-according-source)

[bhlloy]

Fucking embarrassing attempt at tanking that doesn't even make any sense. Turn the fourth overall pick two years ago into a late round first. Complete joke of a franchise.

[Lathum]

yeah, just makes no sense at all. Prior to the new CBA you could maybe make the argument to save money, but rookie contracts are cheap.

At least send him to the Raiders or some other non playoff team. Makes you wonder how much they really shopped him, I can't imagine the Giants wouldn't have given up more.

[SegRat]

Wow, how dumb.

[Atocep]

I think it's a good trade for both teams. The browns have a new GM that doesn't have attachment to Richardson and it's hard to argue that he's worth more than a pick in the 20s. On the other hand the colts need a running back and get one that is league average-ish.

This trade probably helps make the Browns better in the long run than if they just kept Richardson and the trade makes the Colts better right now and for the the next couple of years.

I really don't see how this is a bad trade.

[Suicane75]

I don't think it's a bad trade, but damn those poor fans. :rant:

[MrBug708]

It's a great trade in the sense they got more value for TR then he was worth at this point, but the tank job is easy. Are they shooting for Bridgewater or Hundley at this point?

[MrBug708]

In terms of fantasy value, whose the starter for Cleveland?

[M GO BLUE!!!]

So since the GM has no attachment to anybody on the team prior to this season, why not have a fire sale, dump Thomas, Weeden, et all for whatever anybody offers? They might get a team together within the next couple decades...

[Suicane75]

Oh I imagine they'd dump Weeden if they could get a box of bags for him.

[rowech]

In terms of fantasy value, whose the starter for Cleveland?

Sounds like McGahee.

[Atocep]

So since the GM has no attachment to anybody on the team prior to this season, why not have a fire sale, dump Thomas, Weeden, et all for whatever anybody offers? They might get a team together within the next couple decades...

Thomas is going to have value to them if they end up drafting their QB of the future next year. Who would give anything for Weeden? He's a soon to be 30 year old QB that plays like a 3rd stringer at best. The rest of their pieces that would have any value are all 25 and younger I believe. Richardson is a case where what they're getting is honestly more than what he's worth. Realistically, based on how he's played in the NFL, he's worth no more than a 3rd round pick. The only reason they're getting a 1st round pick is the colts are desperate for a running back and the name Trent Richardson still carries some value.

[CleBrownsfan]

OKAY OKAY!!! It's officially an embarrassment that my user name on here is CleBrownsFan!!! This franchise is a joke!

[chadritt]

I want to know who called who. Did the colts call up and just say "hey, can we have Trent Richardson" as a joke and it worked out or did the Browns call them and say "hey, want our best young offensive player?" Im assuming Richardson asking to be a bigger part of the offense, which he should have been for cleveland, just really didn't go over well.

[Chief Rum]

If the Browns are not going to contend this year, this might be a good deal. They improve the chances that they suck this year and it seems like it will be a pretty strong QB draft, and they get another first.

On top of that, when it comes down to basic running between the tackles, is McGahee that much worse than Richardson? Main issue, is he healthy? If he is, he can do the dirty work a la BGE or Benson in GB.

Where this hurts is throwing in the towel two games into the season and also the fact Richardson was a Top 5 pick that essentially has gone to waste (in another strong QB draft, that one, too).

[bob]

I've never played organized football. How hard will it be for a running back to step in at this point, learn the playbook, blocking schemes, etc?

[RedKingGold]

So wait, do we think the Richardson is that good of a player that the Browns will surely tank now without him?

[RedKingGold]

If anything, this is an indictment of how bad Holmgren was as a GM.

[fantom1979]

I've never played organized football. How hard will it be for a running back to step in at this point, learn the playbook, blocking schemes, etc?

I never made it past high school football, and I played defense... But my understanding is blocking schemes are the toughest things for runningbacks to pickup in a new playbook. As long as the lineman block the way McGahee is used to (man to man or zone), he should be fine picking up the running play book. Not hard to find the 1 hole and run.

[Chief Rum]

I've never played organized football. How hard will it be for a running back to step in at this point, learn the playbook, blocking schemes, etc?

Neither have I, but as a lifelong fan, it has always been my understanding that it is one of the more simpler positions to grasp from the get-go, and especially if you're not really expected to be out there on passing downs.

This is supposedly why you see rookie RBs impact faster than rookies at the other skill positions.

[BillJasper]

I think Irsay likely drove this trade and was drunk while doing it. If you're going to give up a 1st round pick, why not try to hit a home-run?

[fantom1979]

So wait, do we think the Richardson is that good of a player that the Browns will surely tank now without him?

Didn't see anything out of Richardson that would convince me that he was going to be great... But at the same time, I am not sure how much we have seen him healthy. I believe he was playing with broken rib(s) last year.

Too bad Mike Ditka is still not in the league. The Browns could have stolen an entire draft for Richardson.

[cuervo72]

Nice editing there by ESPN. One paragraph saying he was taken in the 2011 draft, then 2012 two paragraphs later.

[fantom1979]

I have a fantasy league where we only get 6 pick-ups a year, and I was thinking of picking up McGahee. I just read though that it is no guarantee that he will pass the physical.

[bulletsponge]

this wasnt a dumb trade, drafting TR with the 3rd pick 2 years ago was the dumb move

[Lathum]

further proof teams should never take a running back early.

[BillJasper]

Wouldn't it have been smarter for the Colts to sign the more experienced MaGahee and use him with Ballard instead of burning a first-round pick?

[Lathum]

Wouldn't it have been smarter for the Colts to sign the more experienced MaGahee and use him with Ballard instead of burning a first-round pick?

Ballard is done for the year

[BishopMVP]

this wasnt a dumb trade, drafting TR with the 3rd pick 2 years ago was the dumb move+1 And I like(d) Trent Richardson a lot. He's a hard runner between the tackles and is a much better pass catcher than anyone gives him credit for. If Indy can win 10+ games and make the playoffs (thus the pick falls around 20) I think they did fine. Not great because I think they have bigger holes, but I understand Irsay isn't the most patient owner - and that free agent RB pile is pretty bad right now.

Cleveland also did right by them. New GM was willing to admit that TR never should have been picked 3rd overall and got a 1st. If it ends up in the 10-15 range, they probably won the trade, if it's around 20 it's a push, but they're definitely a few players away from being a playoff team, although they do have a few nice young building blocks in Haden and Thomas.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

We'll get to see what Richardson can do with halfway decent blocking. I admittedly have not watched the Brownies play this season, but based on the numbers put up by him & Weeden it doesn't look like the line has blocked anybody.

[Chief Rum]

Ballard is done for the year

But they have Bradshaw. So the answer to Jasper's question is, yes (IMO), that would have been the smarter move.

[Matthean]

So wait, do we think the Richardson is that good of a player that the Browns will surely tank now without him?

They were going to tank with him. This just gives them a first rounder next year so they can start building something next year. Once the shock of it wears off, I'm sure this makes more logical sense, but it is still rather shocking that they pulled this off. Richardson might have looked average but factor in injuries and the support he had, and it really isn't a surprise in regards to how limited he was. If nothing else, he went from playing behind the worst starting QB from last year's draft to arguably the best.

[BillJasper]

Ballard is done for the year

Brain fart. Meant Bradshaw. :p

[Suburban Rhythm]

this wasnt a dumb trade, drafting TR with the 3rd pick 2 years ago was the dumb move

further proof teams should never take a running back early.


I'm in this group. Richardson doesn't appear to be in the Petersen, once a decade stud RB mold.

If they end up with Bridgewater with their 1st pick, another strong piece with the Colts piece, and have their early 2nd round pick, they are probably ahead of where they are heading now looking at 2015, when they'd either be paying Richardson big $, or letting him walk, and looking to replace him.

[spleen1015]

I like the Colts' aggressiveness, but I don't think I like the player they got.

We'll see.

[miked]

It makes decent sense for the Colts, but why does everyone think Richardson is so bad. He put up 1400 yards and 12 TDs as a rookie for a team with no threat of a passing attack.

[Danny]

Fine Trade for the Browns

Also a good trade for Indi. Richardson will be extremely valuable to them. I think hes one of the 10 best overall running backs in the league easily considering what he has done for a such an awful offense.

[Julio Riddols]

Holy shitballs. I have never been much of a fan of Richardson, he reminds me of another Alabama RB down in New Orleans.. But wow, what an unexpected deal.

[Pyser]

so aside from peterson, has there been a good 1st round rb anytime recently?

[Danny]

Doug Martin last year with pick 31. Spiller in with #10 in 2010.

Overall, taking RBs in round 1 is really not a good idea, especially the 1st half of the round

[spleen1015]

I'm sure all of the positions are the same way. Not every #1 pick is worth a shit, no matter what position. I would say they are all pretty even.

[Atocep]

Fine Trade for the Browns

Also a good trade for Indi. Richardson will be extremely valuable to them. I think hes one of the 10 best overall running backs in the league easily considering what he has done for a such an awful offense.

Football Outsiders, through 2 games this season and all of last season, has the Cleveland adjusted line yards higher than the RB yards. Cleveland's running game was roughly the same in 2011 with an out of shape Peyton Hillis and Chris Ogbonnaya than it's been with Richardson. What Richardson does do well and is an underrated aspect of RB production is he catches the ball.

Right now he's a RB that's struggled to stay healthy in his 1+ years in the league and didn't break the top 35 running backs last season. Not exactly a guy I'm looking to build around.

He should do better with the colts, but I don't see him jumping into the upper echelon of RBs. He's a guy that became the 3rd overall pick running behind a line that made Mark Ingram a Heisman Trophy winner.

[cuervo72]

Guess they won't be showing that "you're my favorite player" commercial anymore.

[Julio Riddols]

Guess they won't be showing that "you're my favorite player" commercial anymore.

We'll just see how good their special effects artists are.

[Danny]

Football Outsiders, through 2 games this season and all of last season, has the Cleveland adjusted line yards higher than the RB yards. Cleveland's running game was roughly the same in 2011 with an out of shape Peyton Hillis and Chris Ogbonnaya than it's been with Richardson. What Richardson does do well and is an underrated aspect of RB production is he catches the ball.

Right now he's a RB that's struggled to stay healthy in his 1+ years in the league and didn't break the top 35 running backs last season. Not exactly a guy I'm looking to build around.

He should do better with the colts, but I don't see him jumping into the upper echelon of RBs. He's a guy that became the 3rd overall pick running behind a line that made Mark Ingram a Heisman Trophy winner.

Yeah I looked at the line rankings after posting that and CLE was a lot better than I thought. I could be wrong, I havent actually watched Richardson play in the pros at all, but was mostly going off what I saw in college.

[Danny]

But I do think having him will help Luck who I have as my fantasy starter in one of two money leagues, so I am happy with the deal

[bulletsponge]

i just read that the Browns traded thier 4th 5th and 7th round picks to move up from #4 to #3 to draft trent. wow is that true?

[cuervo72]

I think they were just lost after the Redskins traded up to get RG3.

[Groundhog]

further proof teams should never take a running back early.

It's definitely not the position you should take if your team flatout lacks talent/sucks IMO. For every Peterson, that is able to get yards against defenses that don't respect his QB, there are a many more mere mortals who, despite their various skills, just aren't going to be able to do much when the QB and O-Line both suck.

Better to build your line and try steal a runner later in the draft IMO.

[Danny]

Teams should just pay shanahan 5 million fee to pick them a rb in the 6th round

[ColtCrazy]

I'm quietly optimistic about this trade. I like Richardson, have since college. And I'm mostly sure his struggles are because of the lack of talent that has surrounded him at Cleveland. I think he has potential.

The big if, obviously, is health. If he can provide 1100 yards and 10 TDs, that takes pressure off Luck and it's a nice trade.

Sure, Cleveland is tanking….but I've always had a soft spot for the Browns, even been to a few games up there. Assuming this new front office can draft, the Browns have the potential to really come away with a stacked 2014 draft.

If Richardson stays healthy and the Browns don't whiff on the draft, it's a win-win. Luck-Richardson-Hilton-Fleener provide a nice offensive core for years to come.

It'll be a few years before we tell who comes out ahead on this.

[M GO BLUE!!!]

I think that Richardson could become a star in Indy.

Think about this: Is Indy disappointed to lose the pick next year? No there will be a lot of enthusiasm surrounding this. For all the naysayers a year later, nobody was really questioning the pick when it was made, other than who he was picked behind.

Conversely, is Cleveland excited about that probable late first round pick? I bet Hoyer isn't excited to not be having to hand the ball to Richardson this week.

[Crapshoot]

I think it's a good trade for both teams. The browns have a new GM that doesn't have attachment to Richardson and it's hard to argue that he's worth more than a pick in the 20s. On the other hand the colts need a running back and get one that is league average-ish.

This trade probably helps make the Browns better in the long run than if they just kept Richardson and the trade makes the Colts better right now and for the the next couple of years.

I really don't see how this is a bad trade.

"". Trent Richardson was wasted on the browns, and there aren't many RB's around I would trade a 1st round pick for. The price they paid a year ago has ZERO relevancy to his value now - and only has 2.5 years left on the "cheap" contract.

[Logan]

Guy carries around the label of "injury-prone" yet he's a running back who fought through broken ribs all season and didn't take a seat until the last week of the season. I would love a player like that.

I've been a big fan of his talent since college and think he'll thrive in Indy once he gets up to speed. Drawing SF and SEA in the next three weeks could hurt his numbers though.

[HomerSimpson98]

Does anyone know if there has been any proven, tangible evidence and punishment for NFL teams tanking a season? I would say that a punishment is fan apathy and lack of ticket sales, so they get pounded in the checkbook which is a good teacher of cause and effect. But has there been a situation that the league disallowed a trade (behind the scenes) or similar?

[Logan]

Don't think so. Very hard to prove. And for what it's worth, the guys who are left certainly will be playing their hardest...it's how you end up not being paralyzed.

As much as I like Richardson, this trade dropped them from maybe a 5 or 6 win team to probably a 3 or 4 win team (their defense is pretty solid, I think the #1 pick talk is a bit crazy).

[Julio Riddols]

The sad thing for Cleveland is even by tanking they will still not be worse than the Jaguars, so it really seems silly. I don't really see it as tanking though, they are losing a RB that has been maybe marginally better than an average street FA so far. The more I think about it, the more it feels like a great deal for the Browns though, getting a decent 1st round pick for a back that isn't worth a 3rd.

[Coffee Warlord]

Really hoping McGahee fails his physical, just to see the ensuing hilarity.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Unless the RB is transcendent I feel like a 1st is more valuable.


Top 10 rushers last year, and where they were drafted:

1 Adrian Peterson 1.7
2 Alfred Morris 6.3
3 Marshawn Lynch 1.12
4 Jamaal Charles 3.10
5 Doug Martin 1.31
6 Arian Foster UDFA
7 Stevan Ridley 3.9
8 C.J. Spiller 1.9
9 Chris Johnson 1.24
10 Frank Gore 3.1

So 3 of the top 10 were drafted with a higher pick that Cleveland is likely to receive.

[chinaski]

These are awesome!

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[JPhillips]

Cincinnati's looks like a weird tiger shrimp.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Looking forward to the game tonight. Obviously, the story here is Andy Reid's return, though it's still a huge opportunity game for the Chiefs.

[BishopMVP]

The sad thing for Cleveland is even by tanking they will still not be worse than the Jaguars, so it really seems silly. I don't really see it as tanking though, they are losing a RB that has been maybe marginally better than an average street FA so far. The more I think about it, the more it feels like a great deal for the Browns though, getting a decent 1st round pick for a back that isn't worth a 3rd.
Everyone seems to assume tanking has to mean a top 2 pick and one of Clowney/Bridgewater. I like both players, but I don't think they're transcendent talents like a Luck or Manning where there's some obvious NBA-like dropoff after pick #2. It should be a pretty deep draft at QB too - Hundley, Manziel, Mccarron, Murray, Boyd, Braxton Miller, Devin Gardner, Mariotta, Derek Carr are all names I've seen thrown around as potential 1st round picks (disagree on Miller, Gardner, maybe Mccarron). Not all of those will pan out (or even come out this year), but this could be a draft where a couple very good QB's go in the mid-late 1st, or even 2nd/3rd rounds. Cleveland also now has 2 picks in Rounds 1, 3 and 4 if they do want to trade up.

[JPhillips]

What's worse, Cleveland trying to suck and still being better than Jacksonville or Jacksonville trying to be better and still being worse than Cleveland?

[Julio Riddols]

Oakland being somewhere in the middle of the two.

[Julio Riddols]

Everyone seems to assume tanking has to mean a top 2 pick and one of Clowney/Bridgewater. I like both players, but I don't think they're transcendent talents like a Luck or Manning where there's some obvious NBA-like dropoff after pick #2. It should be a pretty deep draft at QB too - Hundley, Manziel, Mccarron, Murray, Boyd, Braxton Miller, Devin Gardner, Mariotta, Derek Carr are all names I've seen thrown around as potential 1st round picks (disagree on Miller, Gardner, maybe Mccarron). Not all of those will pan out (or even come out this year), but this could be a draft where a couple very good QB's go in the mid-late 1st, or even 2nd/3rd rounds. Cleveland also now has 2 picks in Rounds 1, 3 and 4 if they do want to trade up.

Agreed. I don't think they're losing much in Richardson, wouldn't be surprised if they fared a bit better with McGahee.

[Matthean]

It should be a pretty deep draft at QB too - Hundley, Manziel, Mccarron, Murray, Boyd, Braxton Miller, Devin Gardner, Mariotta, Derek Carr are all names I've seen thrown around as potential 1st round picks

You might want to double check if some of those guys can actually go in next year's draft. :D

[Passacaglia]

You might want to double check if some of those guys can actually go in next year's draft. :D

You might want to read his next sentence. :p

[mckerney]

So Cleveland announces their 3rd string QB will start and then trades their starting RB before signing a replacement that teams didn't even bring in to training camp because of injury concerns. And now they'll be playing on the road against the Vikings.

If I've learned anything from following the Vikings it's that Minnesota has almost no chance of winning this week. The game looks like it should be an easy win so they'll find some spectacular way to lose it.

[Honolulu_Blue]

I hope this trade ends up working out for the Browns.

[BishopMVP]

You might want to double check if some of those guys can actually go in next year's draft. :DManziel, Hundley and Mariota are all RS Sophomores, the rest upperclassmen (with Murray/Boyd/McCarron/Carr out of eligibility iirc). Not all the underclassmen will declare, but you'd have to bet at least 2 will shoot up draft boards and choose to go for it (and then at least 1 will be rumored as a potential #1 overall pick and fall to the bottom of the 1st round).

As long as a team is willing to go with and can utilize a mobile quarterback, these next couple drafts are going to be real deep. Use your own top 5 pick on a lineman or WR (if you think a Mike Evans is the next AJ Green) and then use the lower 1st or a 2nd on a QB and try to find the next Wilson/Kaepernick.

[Lathum]

The eagles should draft Manziel and sit him a season behind Vick. He would be nasty in that offense.

[Danny]

Oakland being somewhere in the middle of the two.

Oakland will be better than both. After last week dont really think they should be in the same tier as Jacksonville. Not saying they are good though, they are in the next tier of suckitude.

[Lathum]

wow, Eagles look sloppy

[RedKingGold]

Alex Smith is still Alex Smith.

[Lathum]

WTF is wrong with the Chief receivers? The Eagles secondary is not that good.

[RedKingGold]

Alex Smith is still Alex Smith.

[kingfc22]

Alex Smith is still Alex Smith.

Yep. He won't throw downfield and never tries to make a play happen with his arm. If it's not open, it's not going to get thrown.

[BillJasper]

Looks like defenses are going to slowly but surely figure out what the Eagles are doing on offense and ways to slow it down.

I can't believe the Colts are going to have Richardson out there this weekend against the 49ers. Guy is going to know absolutely zero about the offense. It'll be terrible if he doesn't know a blocking assignment and ends up getting Luck hurt.

[RedKingGold]

That being said, I still think I would want Alez Smith over Mike Vick.

[RedKingGold]

A.J. Jenkins sighting!

[Lathum]

Not getting TDs from all these turnovers is going to bite the Chiefs in the ass, they should be up by 2 scores right now

[korme]

1st half making me happy to have Ryan Succop.

[Lathum]

Uh Oh, McCoy is down holding what looks like his shin

[BishopMVP]

Looks like defenses are going to slowly but surely figure out what the Eagles are doing on offense and ways to slow it down.

I can't believe the Colts are going to have Richardson out there this weekend against the 49ers. Guy is going to know absolutely zero about the offense. It'll be terrible if he doesn't know a blocking assignment and ends up getting Luck hurt.Luck gets hit 30% more than any other quarterback in the league - even guys like Vick and Roethlisberger - so I doubt switching the primary back is going to be the difference there. Plus you know, they don't have to play Richardson every down. They'll play him in a limited number of formations and play calls where he understands his responsibilities.

[cuervo72]

Wait, 35 on the kicking team? WTF?

[Matthean]

"Playing against these guys twice, just seeing how they are around each other when they're on the sideline, how they're jelling together, just being in the locker room for these couple hours, it's been a big change. They're happy to come to work, and they're ready to go."

So what you are saying Trent is, people like playing on a winning team. :lol:

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Dear Philly Fan,

Not every injury TO is a fake injury.

[Lathum]

These Thursday night games are an abomination.

[RendeR]

I think we may be overlooking something in this Richardson trade. Cleveland hasn't had a credible passing attack in the last decade. Teams routinely send 8 and 9 into the box to stuff the run. Richardson has been running every game against a stacked defense.

Next week with Indianapolis, teams CANNOT stack the box against him, if they do its suicide.

Indy just bought their offense the freedom to attack in any dimension they wish to from here on out.

I think we may look back on this as the beginning of something seriously longterm in this league.

I could be wrong, but when I think about how teams ignore the run entirely against the colts now and how they no longer can do that, Luck suddenly scares the living shit out of my defensive coordinator persona.

[RendeR]

These Thursday night games are an abomination.


Why? You'd rather watch your beloved Giants lose on Thursdays instead?

[Lathum]

Why? You'd rather watch your beloved Giants lose on Thursdays instead?

?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Big touchdown for the Chiefs. Such a luxury to have Charles in the backfield.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That being said, I still think I would want Alez Smith over Mike Vick.

I'm surprised that this is even a question. Smith is much more consistent than Vick.

[RendeR]

?


Why is this game any more of an abomination then any other? Not every game can be the broncos electric boogaloo Show or the defensive war that the AFC North games are, why are they abominations? Simply because its on thursday?

[RendeR]

Damn nice run by McCoy.

[EagleFan]

Why is this game any more of an abomination then any other? Not every game can be the broncos electric boogaloo Show or the defensive war that the AFC North games are, why are they abominations? Simply because its on thursday?

Yes!

And that god awful city song they keep playing...

[EagleFan]

Damn nice run by McCoy.

Yes, was really worried when he was down earlier.

[EagleFan]

That was a nice potential swing in a few plays. Now if the defense can hold.

[RendeR]

Yes!

And that god awful city song they keep playing...

LOL, thats not the GAME's fault dude =)

[EagleFan]

LOL, thats not the GAME's fault dude =)

Hey, it was Lathum that started it. I was just voicing my hatred of Thursday games.

[Matthean]

I'm guessing the Browns are watching this and seeing this as confirmation as to where they want to go in terms of a running game. They may not want to go all out Oregon style but certainly something with this kind of speed.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm guessing the Browns are watching this and seeing this as confirmation as to where they want to go in terms of a running game. They may not want to go all out Oregon style but certainly something with this kind of speed.

They'd be better off running something like the Chiefs are running. Much more efficient.

[RendeR]

Hey, it was Lathum that started it. I was just voicing my hatred of Thursday games.


Yeah I was laughing about ti actually. I just threw a stab at Lathum cause, well, its so easy ;)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Second week in a row where KC ran it extremely well in the 4th quarter when they needed to do so after a lackluster running game in the first three quarters.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

LOL, Nessler just said Chiefs were 3-0 for the first time in forever.

Is 2010 now considered forever? Also known as the last time the Chiefs were AFC West Champions.

[TRO]

Broadcast "Chiefs have chance to go 3-0 for first time in forever"

It was actually 2010.

[TRO]

LOL, Nessler just said Chiefs were 3-0 for the first time in forever.

Is 2010 now considered forever? Also known as the last time the Chiefs were AFC West Champions.

Heh, jinx.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Fun to see Houston have a great night on sacks right before the Derrick Thomas documentary on Tuesday night. Should be fun to watch highlights of Derrick gettting 7 sacks again.

[spleen1015]

I think Lathum is pointing out that Thursday games suck because teams have less time to prepare.

I might agree, but I am leaning towards it just being the teams that suck.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I might agree, but I am leaning towards it just being the NFC East teams that suck.

Fixed.

[spleen1015]

Fixed.

Considering the Jets and Pats played to 13-10, it is not just the Eagles. :D

[fantom1979]

Cleveland hasn't had a credible passing attack in the last decade.

2007 pro bowler Derek Anderson would like to have a word with you. :D :D :D :D :D

Besides 2007, the last time the Browns were in the top ten in passing yards was 1987. Not surprisingly, that was also the last time besides 2007 that they were in the top ten in points scored. I wonder if Holmgren realizes that drafting a 28 year old rookie QB in the first round was a mistake yet?

[fantom1979]

Having Michael Vick and DeSean Jackson in my fantasy league is going to hurt this week.

[Julio Riddols]

KC did what you have to do, forced mistakes. Alex Smith is the anti Vick, steady and solid. Reminds me of Schaub a little.

[Buccaneer]

Woo hoo!

[Lathum]

Why is this game any more of an abomination then any other? Not every game can be the broncos electric boogaloo Show or the defensive war that the AFC North games are, why are they abominations? Simply because its on thursday?

Maybe you don' watch the Thursday night games often, but they are sloppy, teams are unprepared, and are generally not pretty football. 3 days between games just isn't enought time, doesn't matter who the teams are.

[RedKingGold]

Maybe you don' watch the Thursday night games often, but they are sloppy, teams are unprepared, and are generally not pretty football. 3 days between games just isn't enought time, doesn't matter who the teams are.

Yup. Almost dreading watching the Niners next week.

[Butter]

So much for the unstoppable Eagles machine, eh?

[Passacaglia]

Luck gets hit 30% more than any other quarterback in the league

Is that a real stat, or something you just made up?

[muns]

Is that a real stat, or something you just made up?

I would love to see that stat vs. Big Ben and the terrible O line the Steelers have.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Here's QB hits by offensive line (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&role=TM&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&archive=false&d-447263-p=1&qualified=true&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT)

[Matthean]

Cleveland has an All-Pro tackle and they have given up the most QB hits and sacks. Is the rest of the team escorting the defense to the QB?

[Logan]

I bet having the statuesque Weeden back there doesn't help.

[Danny]

Look at the Raiders offensive line! Only 6 hits!

[RedKingGold]

Aldon Smith arrested early this morning on a suspected D.U.I.

Fantastic.

[Julio Riddols]

All done, Smith?

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

They need to release him ASAP before he kills someone

[Logan]

Yeah Smith is pretty god damn stupid. DUI at 7am. Unreal.

[kingfc22]

Yeah Smith is pretty god damn stupid. DUI at 7am. Unreal.

Wow. Just wow.

[RedKingGold]

Plus he had marijuana in the car and crashed into a tree.

I wanna party with that guy!

[RedKingGold]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/190rpjrgziu0ujpg/original.jpg

[Julio Riddols]

.... is that a man weave? What is that?

[BishopMVP]

Is that a real stat, or something you just made up?I guess the 2012 stat I saw was a little misleading because the other teams up near Indy in QB hits allowed (Philly, Jacksonville, Arizona) all had multiple QB's last year, but when you adjust for Indy being a winning team and not usually in a pass-only situation, Luck takes a lot more hits than other good QB's - even ones like RG3 and Rodgers that are more well known for their running.

[molson]

They need to release him ASAP before he kills someone

Or they could wait until he kills someone and then rally around him (aka, "The Cowboy way")

[StLee]

These are awesome!

Redesigned Logos for Every NFL Team | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1779000-redesigned-logos-for-every-nfl-team?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial&hpt=hp_t2)

I really like some of the redesigns: Buffalo, Green Bay, and Tampa Bay among them.

[Apathetic Lurker]

I really like some of the redesigns: Buffalo, Green Bay, and Tampa Bay among them.


I hate the Buffalo one..Probably because of the figure running alongside the buffalo.Do like the KC and Tenn ones in the AFC and Tampa and GB in the NFC....

[EagleFan]

The Texan one was good, the rest not so much.

[Danny]

I didn't like almost all of them. They are lacking character

[Danny]

The Texan one was good

Actually looked again, I am not sure I like any of them.

[Desnudo]

The sad thing for Cleveland is even by tanking they will still not be worse than the Jaguars, so it really seems silly. I don't really see it as tanking though, they are losing a RB that has been maybe marginally better than an average street FA so far. The more I think about it, the more it feels like a great deal for the Browns though, getting a decent 1st round pick for a back that isn't worth a 3rd.

It's not hard to replace 3.5 yds/carry. Colts are very likely to lose 9-10 games with their schedule. I think it's the best value they could have gotten for a running back who's really not produced in the NFL and was traded on potential.

[Apathetic Lurker]

I think this could potentially be a great deal for Cleveland.

[Lathum]

At least it gives Browns fans someone to root for each week. Whoever is playing Indy.

[Lathum]

I'm enjoying the Giants new strategy of instead of turning the ball over just letting Eli get sacked every play.

[korme]

Bengals looking very fucking fired up today

[Radii]

I'm enjoying the Giants new strategy of instead of turning the ball over just letting Eli get sacked every play.

Don't worry, Carolina is good for a special teams fuckup like this at least once a game.

[Danny]

Looks like Weeden is done as a starting qb

[Dutch]

Mike Williams held for like 3 seconds on that play...but the Patriots are the least penalized team in the league for a reason.

[Logan]

They just confirmed Demarco Murray's TD but it really looked like he fumbled the ball as he tried reaching for the pylon.

[Lathum]

This is getting hard to watch

[Dutch]

Pats score on a good drive, but so far, the Bucs are playing fairly well again today.

[Dutch]

Never stutter step on 4th down...Martin...that's why we traded Blount.

[Matthean]

Looks like Weeden is done as a starting qb

+1. Odd to see the Browns have 56 of 61 yards rushing in two plays.

[mckerney]

Looks like Weeden is done as a starting qb

Probably. Hoyer isn't gonna get to pick on Josh Robinson and Marcus Sherels every week, but he's certainly looking good against the Vikings.

[Matthean]

Looks like the Browns coaching staff got the green light to do whatever.

[Dutch]

...and there is the freebies I was expecting. 28-yard free play for the Patriots.

[Dutch]

Okay, so that's your easy TD, Patriots. Bottom line, Bucs need to score themselves so this doesn't matter in the end.

[claphamsa]

it would be nice if the Bengals could hold onto the ball..

[SirFozzie]

Bucs are shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly, not converting 4thdowns, missed FG, and penalties that extend Pats drives.

[Dutch]

Schiano giving Freeman a lot of leash today...and so far it's been hit or miss...the INT here is not going to sit well with Buc Nation.

[Dutch]

That FG is on Freeman obviously and yes, now it looks like the Bucs are imploding.

[SirFozzie]

Considering the fact that the Patriots looked putrid for the first 15-18 minutes, there is no way they should be up 14 right now.

[Danny]

Maybe the giants can get teddy bridgewater

[MrBug708]

Franklin looked like a beast on that drive

[DaddyTorgo]

DVR'd the beginning of the Pats game - still catching up.

But man words can't express how fucking frustrated I am at the 3-and-outs by this offense.

[Dutch]

Huge INT by Barron, potentially saves the entire season if the Bucs can re-focus and get back into this football game.

[Atocep]

I'm watching the Dallas/St Louis game wondering how the in the hell Brian Schottenheimer is still an offensive coordinator in the NFL.

[JPhillips]

So Richardson apparently was the one thing keeping the Browns from being an offensive juggernaut.

[MrBug708]

Dang Franklin

[Atocep]

Dang Franklin

Football Outsiders had him rated higher than Eddy Lacey so I stashed him on my fantasy bench with my last pick. I'm hoping GB starts feeding him the ball more because he's a really talented back.

[cuervo72]

"Joique." I keep hearing that as Bugs Bunny saying "jerk."

[Radii]

Well this is really nice to watch after the frustration of the first two weeks. Giants are just imploding though.

[MrBug708]

That was a pretty bogus "late hit" call

[ColtCrazy]

For the pure fun factor, I'd love a Denver-Green Bay Super Bowl. Packers don't seem all that great today, yet they have 30. Rodgers can make the tough throws seem so routine. If one of their backs (maybe this Franklin) can emerge, then watch out.

So, Bills, Jets, Bucs….whose on the Pats schedule next week? Florida A&M? :D
Seriously, they are going to hit some rough patches in their next few games.

Colts could easily lose next three (@Niners, @Chargers, vs. Seahawks). Need Richardson to help Luck out quickly.

[Lathum]

Giants should pull Eli from this game before he gets killed

[JonInMiddleGA]

How is it possible that an NFL team has 66 yds total offense with 90 seconds left in the 3rd quarter?

[Thomkal]

just catching up here, have to say Wow! at the Giants/Panthers game. If anything I would have thought the current score would be the Giants leading. Panthers had no secondary today-three injured and out, another hurt and playing and a undrafted rookie FA starting at safety. Giants in big trouble.

in other games, my beloved Cards not looking good against the Saints either. Not impressed with the new DC Todd Bowles-how can you do single coverage on Jimmy Graham near the end zone?

[Matthean]

So Richardson apparently was the one thing keeping the Browns from being an offensive juggernaut.

The offense has been rather mortal in the second half with Hoyer looking like a career backup QB. Their running game is odd. 4 carries for 77 of their 103 yards rushing. McGahee has the most carries, and he's got 8 carries for 9 yards.

[Warhammer]

I'm watching the Dallas/St Louis game wondering how the in the hell Brian Schottenheimer is still an offensive coordinator in the NFL.

How bad has it been?

[cuervo72]

Kick returners: usually not a good idea to take the ball out from 7-8 yards back.

(I know, there's probably some study that says for the one time in however many that it gets taken back yada yada. I'm happy watching WAS start at the 12 however.)

[claphamsa]

how do you miss a PAT?

[Lathum]

I think this is the beginning of the end for the Coughlin era. You can excuse a road loss the Dallas and a loss to the Broncos, but this loss is inexcusable. I'm not calling for him to be fired, but I think this is the start of his swan song and likely to be a long year. At his age I don't think he wants to be part of a rebuilding

[JPhillips]

3 Fumbles. 1 INT. Missed FG. Missed PAT.

Somehow the Bengals are determined to find a way to lose.

[JPhillips]

I think this is the beginning of the end for the Coughlin era. You can excuse a road loss the Dallas and a loss to the Broncos, but this loss is inexcusable. I'm not calling for him to be fired, but I think this is the start of his swan song and likely to be a long year. At his age I don't think he wants to be part of a rebuilding

If the Giants are in a position to get one of the top QBs next draft, would they?

[rowech]

how do you miss a PAT?

You play as a Bengal.

[Lathum]

If the Giants are in a position to get one of the top QBs next draft, would they?

No. Eli will be there until the day he retires barring something freaky happening. They will build through the lines. They really need O-line help. Not be able to run the ball or pass block is a bad combo.

[Lathum]

I can't believe they overturned that TD in Washington

[cuervo72]

It was close, but it looked like the ball shifted and grazed along the ground to me.

[cuervo72]

Surprised by the crappy showing by the Texans (thus far).

[DougW]

Joique Bell has played well.

[DougW]

I can't believe they overturned that TD in Washington

Why ? It was pretty clear he didn't catch it. Before they cut to commercial, I was a little surprised the announcers were acting like it was a no brainer call.

[Lathum]

I was watching without sound so no idea what the announcers were saying. Looked like he had it tp me

[Dutch]

...and just like that, looks like the Bucs season is over before it started.

[miami_fan]

Wow

[miami_fan]

Really should not take so long in Cincy

[Danny]

And there goes Franklin back to the bench

[MrBug708]

And there goes Franklin back to the bench

Considering he's run for a 100 yards. he won't be there long. Plus they dont have another RB on the roster that can play

[Thomkal]

that was kinda of dumb on the packers part-going for it on 4th down and give it to the 3rd string RB.

[Thomkal]

Kudos to Cleveland-nobody expected them to win with Richardson gone and the 3rd string QB

[Matthean]

AP only averaged 3.5 yards per carry. Time to trade him. :lol:

[rowech]

I can't imagine what winning a Super Bowl would feel like if beating the Packers like that feels like this.

[MrBug708]

that was kinda of dumb on the packers part-going for it on 4th down and give it to the 3rd string RB.

Should have been a sneak, but Franklin should have held onto that

[DaddyTorgo]

Schiano giving Freeman a lot of leash today...and so far it's been hit or miss...the INT here is not going to sit well with Buc Nation.

I actually thought Freeman looked alright. Not GREAT, missed some easy throws, but had a lot of drops and balls the WR's didn't catch that they shoulda.

[Julio Riddols]

The Bengals grew their man balls today.

[JPhillips]

I can't imagine what winning a Super Bowl would feel like

Of course. We're Bengals fans.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I think this is the beginning of the end for the Coughlin era. You can excuse a road loss the Dallas and a loss to the Broncos, but this loss is inexcusable. I'm not calling for him to be fired, but I think this is the start of his swan song and likely to be a long year. At his age I don't think he wants to be part of a rebuilding

Looking forward to next week.

[mckerney]

So Cleveland announces their 3rd string QB will start and then trades their starting RB before signing a replacement that teams didn't even bring in to training camp because of injury concerns. And now they'll be playing on the road against the Vikings.

If I've learned anything from following the Vikings it's that Minnesota has almost no chance of winning this week. The game looks like it should be an easy win so they'll find some spectacular way to lose it.

Yep, never had a chance.

Well, they have one if they had a decent QB who doesn't sail the ball out of bounds on a key third down that would have put the game away, but as they're the Vikings there was no way they were gong to win this game.

[Thomkal]

heh Richardson gets a TD on his first carry for IND

[RendeR]

3 Fumbles. 1 INT. Missed FG. Missed PAT.

Somehow the Bengals are determined to find a way to lose.


You were saying?:D

[Julio Riddols]

Tannehill might be something special in a year or two.

[BillJasper]

Tannehill might be something special in a year or two.

I sure hope so.

[EagleFan]

I think this is the beginning of the end for the Coughlin era. You can excuse a road loss the Dallas and a loss to the Broncos, but this loss is inexcusable. I'm not calling for him to be fired, but I think this is the start of his swan song and likely to be a long year. At his age I don't think he wants to be part of a rebuilding

That guy has more lives than a cat though. It seems that we have been in a position where we think that every couple years and then he wins another Super Bowl.... (I hate that man)

[Desnudo]

He did just win a Super Bowl two seasons ago...

[Julio Riddols]

Watch the Giants take advantage of the slow start everyone else in their division is having and win the division at 8-8, then get hot...

[ColtCrazy]

People will look at Richardson's YPC and think he hasn't made an impact, but I think he's done well. Tough yards between the tackles the Colts never get. Why he didn't get the ball on that 3rd and 1 is beyond me. Richardson has also picked up some key pass blocks.

Good game so far.

[ColtCrazy]

Yep, never had a chance.

Well, they have one if they had a decent QB who doesn't sail the ball out of bounds on a key third down that would have put the game away, but as they're the Vikings there was no way they were gong to win this game.

Or throws the ball 8 yards into the middle of the field with a lone timeout and 15 seconds left.

[Desnudo]

Frank Gore should have more than 8 rushes with the current quality of 49er receivers

[mckerney]

Or throws the ball 8 yards into the middle of the field with a lone timeout and 15 seconds left.

Yeah, that was pretty bad but I don't think they were gonna get a TD there anyway. But whenever the Vikings offense fails to put a game away like not getting the first down there or selling for a FG against Chicago last week it's a safe bet they'll manage to lose.

[ColtCrazy]

Wayne's knee wasn't down.

[BillJasper]

I really feel for the fans of the Jaguars. They are just terrible.

[Julio Riddols]

Just make a drinking game of this season, enjoy the small successes, and get ready for an exciting draft day. That's what I would do as a Jaguar fan.

[JPhillips]

You were saying?:D

I'm taking this as karmic payback for Chicago. They shouldn't have lost to the Bears and they shouldn't have won today.

Karma=neutral

[McLovin]

And the Dolphins are now 3-0.

[BillJasper]

And the Dolphins are now 3-0.

Feels great but I'm not too optimistic about 4-0 since we play in the Superdome next week.

[cuervo72]

I really feel for the fans of the Jaguars. They are just terrible.

They really might as well sign Tebow.

[Matthean]

And the Dolphins are now 3-0.

Packers, Atlanta, and SF 1-2.

[BillJasper]

They really might as well sign Tebow.

Yeah. What do they really have to lose?

I'm still stunned by that 38-0 beating the Giants took today. :eek:

[fantom1979]

The Jets have 15 penalties for 158 yards and are winning by 7. 51 and 69 yard touchdown receptions don't hurt.

[Matthean]

Packers, Atlanta, and SF 1-2.

And to follow that up, if Chicago wins, all three win be in a division where there is a 3-0 team. Getting to the playoffs might be an issue let alone winning the division.

[Shkspr]

They really might as well sign Tebow.

Nyet!

[Thomkal]

Don't think this was mentioned here yet but apparently Von Miller and the guy from the urine testing company conspiring to substitute another urine sample for him:

Report: Broncos linebacker Von Miller allegedly tried to cheat drug test | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/report-broncos-linebacker-von-miller-allegedly-tried-cheat-152943841--nfl.html)

That's why his suspension was 6 weeks instead of 4.

[Thomkal]

Aldon Smith has cleared out his locker and has taken an indefinite absence from the team-apparently voluntarily-not a suspension from the team or league. Questions as to why he was even playing at all of course.

San Francisco 49ers’ Aldon Smith will take indefinite absence … after loss to Colts | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/san-francisco-49ers-aldon-smith-indefinite-absence-loss-001250090--nfl.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CbFhz9SGnMAqSlNbK5)

[ColtCrazy]

Really haven't seen a physical Colts team since Harbaugh was our QB. Impressive win on both sides of the ball. Thought Richardson was good in his debut and his arrival obviously fired up Bradshaw. 2-1 going to Jax feels good. Need to be 3-1 with a brutal 3 game stretch after that (@ SD, Sea, Den)

[kingfc22]

Aldon Smith has cleared out his locker and has taken an indefinite absence from the team-apparently voluntarily-not a suspension from the team or league. Questions as to why he was even playing at all of course.

San Francisco 49ers’ Aldon Smith will take indefinite absence … after loss to Colts | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/san-francisco-49ers-aldon-smith-indefinite-absence-loss-001250090--nfl.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CbFhz9SGnMAqSlNbK5)

Niners clearly have issues on offense at the moment, but it's hard to think that Aldon's issues this week were not a distraction.

[BishopMVP]

So, Bills, Jets, Bucs….whose on the Pats schedule next week? Florida A&M? :D
Seriously, they are going to hit some rough patches in their next few games. Hey, the AFC East is still the best division in football at 9-3! ;) (6-0 outside the division!) For all the hand-wringing about the Pats underwhelming offense, it's kind of obscuring that the D is back to being a borderline top 10 unit that will give up more yards than it should but is elite at capitalizing on all the other team's mistakes and creating turnovers. We'll see just how they do against some better offenses and QB's in the upcoming weeks, and having a healthy Gronk/Amendola by the time the tough games and playoffs roll around is still imperative, but the baptism by fire Dobson/Thompkins/Edelman are going through will only pay dividends down the line. For now, 3-0 in the NFL is 3-0, and its our first time doing that since the 2007 season.

[ColtCrazy]

Hey, the AFC East is still the best division in football at 9-3! ;) (6-0 outside the division!) For all the hand-wringing about the Pats underwhelming offense, it's kind of obscuring that the D is back to being a borderline top 10 unit that will give up more yards than it should but is elite at capitalizing on all the other team's mistakes and creating turnovers. We'll see just how they do against some better offenses and QB's in the upcoming weeks, and having a healthy Gronk/Amendola by the time the tough games and playoffs roll around is still imperative, but the baptism by fire Dobson/Thompkins/Edelman are going through will only pay dividends down the line. For now, 3-0 in the NFL is 3-0, and its our first time doing that since the 2007 season.

Definitely. Not the Pats fault they got the start the season against the best of the Sun Belt. :) The D is playing great, though I want to see how they do next week against an angry Falcon team. And the 3-0 will only help once seeding comes in. The Bronco-Pat tilt probably decides the #1 seed tie breaker. No one in the North will keep up and Houston is suspect.

[Coffee Warlord]

Bears only need to score 3 touchdowns to get one.

[Atocep]

Bears only need to score 3 touchdowns to get one.

I didn't want to post anything because I'm obviously biased, but holy shit how many times do you have to put the ball in the endzone on a drive to get some points?

[Coffee Warlord]

Well, I think the first one of those woulda been overturned on review, but the fact the Bears had already burned 2 timeouts...I understand Trestman not challenging it.

Though I think the 2nd one broke the plane, too.

And burning all 3 timeouts in the 1st quarter is impressive, even by Bears standards.

[Matthean]

Aldon Smith has cleared out his locker and has taken an indefinite absence from the team-apparently voluntarily-not a suspension from the team or league. Questions as to why he was even playing at all of course.

San Francisco 49ers’ Aldon Smith will take indefinite absence … after loss to Colts | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/san-francisco-49ers-aldon-smith-indefinite-absence-loss-001250090--nfl.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CbFhz9SGnMAqSlNbK5)

I found it odd and yet not surprising when someone asked John Clayton if Smith was going to play, and his response was "Well of course."

[Carman Bulldog]

Hey, the AFC East is still the best division in football at 9-3! ;) (6-0 outside the division!) For all the hand-wringing about the Pats underwhelming offense, it's kind of obscuring that the D is back to being a borderline top 10 unit that will give up more yards than it should but is elite at capitalizing on all the other team's mistakes and creating turnovers. We'll see just how they do against some better offenses and QB's in the upcoming weeks, and having a healthy Gronk/Amendola by the time the tough games and playoffs roll around is still imperative, but the baptism by fire Dobson/Thompkins/Edelman are going through will only pay dividends down the line. For now, 3-0 in the NFL is 3-0, and its our first time doing that since the 2007 season.

You could argue that they are without their three best offensive players in Gronkowski, Amendola and Vereen.

[larrymcg421]

Super excited about the Dolphins this season. I really like their character. It was looking ugly at the beginning, but they hung in and made big plays. Tannehill is looking like a very solid investment now. Very smart to let him start all last season and get accustomed to the NFL.

[JPhillips]

Good lord the Steelers are awful.

[Atocep]

Good lord the Steelers are awful.

The Steeler offense reminds me of the Ron Turner era bears.

[JPhillips]

I thought they were clearly the third in the division, but I expected them to compete for a playoff spot. They'll be lucky to win six games.

[Coffee Warlord]

They should count themselves lucky it's not the John Shoop era Bears.

[JPhillips]

Mike Adams is getting abused.

[Coffee Warlord]

Helluva catch there. Not a damn thing Jennings could do about that.

[Bobble]

You could argue that they are without their three best offensive players in Gronkowski, Amendola and Vereen.

I'm no Tom Brady fan, but ... Tom Brady.

[Coffee Warlord]

Have they called that lowering the head on a runner yet this season?