cartman's FOFC College Football Top 25 poll, Week 11, open for voting

[cartman]

Time to open up this week's voting. Submissions are due by 6pm Central, Thursday Nov. 14th. Here's how last week's poll fared:

Team Rec Weekend Result
1. Alabama 9-0 beat #11 LSU 38-17
2. Florida State 9-0 beat Wake FOrest 59-3
3. Oregon 8-1 lost to #6 Stanford 26-20
4. Ohio State 9-0 Bye
5. Baylor 8-0 beat #10 Oklahoma 41-12
6. Stanford 8-1 beat #3 Oregon 26-20
7. Missouri 9-1 beat Kentucky 48-17
8. Clemson 8-1 Bye
9. Auburn 9-1 beat Tennessee 55-23
10. Oklahoma 7-2 lost to #5 Baylor 41-12
T11. Miami, FL 7-2 lost to Virginia Tech 42-24
T11. LSU 7-3 lost to #1 Alabama 38-17
13. Oklahoma State 8-1 beat Kansas 42-6
14. South Carolina 7-2 Bye
15. Texas A&M 8-2 beat Mississippi State 51-41
16. Fresno State 9-0 beat Wyoming 48-10
17. Louisville 8-1 beat Connecticut 31-10
18. Northern Illinois 9-0 Bye
19. Arizona State 7-2 beat Utah 20-19
20. Michigan State 8-1 Bye
21. Wisconsin 7-2 beat #24 BYU 27-17
22. UCLA 7-2 beat Arizona 31-26
23. Central Florida 7-1 beat Houston 19-14
24. BYU 6-3 lost to #21 Wisconsin 27-17
25. Georgia 6-3 beat Appalachian State 45-6

[JonInMiddleGA]

1. Alabama (1)
2. FSU (2)
3. Baylor (6)
4. Ohio State (3)
5. Stanford (5)
6. Oregon (3)
7. Clemson (8)
8. Auburn (9)
9. Texas A&M (10)
10. Missouri (11)
11. South Carolina (13)
12. Oklahoma State (14)
13. UCLA (18)
14. Wisconsin (14)
15. UCF (Un)
16. Louisville (15)
17. Oklahoma (7)
18. Michigan State (21)
19. LSU (16)
20. Northern Illinois (19)
21. Fresno State (17)
22. Arizona State (22)
23. Ole Miss (24)
24. Minnesota (25)
25. Texas (Un)

Dropped Out This Week: Miami (12), Texas Tech (23)

From Jon's Three Cents | Because two cents worth isn't always enough (http://jonsthreecents.wordpress.com/)

[Umbrella]

1. Florida St. (1)
2. Alabama (3)
3. Baylor (4)
4. Ohio St. (5)
5. Missouri (6)
6. Stanford (7)
7. Oregon (2)
8. Auburn (9)
9. Clemson (10)
10. Michigan St. (16)
11. Oklahoma St. (13)
12. Arizona St. (17)
13. South Carolina (11)
14. UCF (14)
15. UCLA (20)
16. Oklahoma (8)
17. Fresno St. (22)
18. Texas A&M (21)
19. Wisconsin (23)
20. Louisville (18)
21. LSU (12)
22. Northern Illinois (24)
23. Georgia (NR)
24. Ole Miss (25)
25. Notre Dame (15)

Dropped out: Miami (19)

[tarcone]

1. Alabama
2. Baylor
3. Florida St.
4. Ohio St.
5. Stanford
6. Oregon
7. Missouri
8. Auburn
9. Clemson
10. Michigan St.
11. Oklahoma St.
12. South Carolina
13. LSU
14. Wisconsin
15. Louisville
16. Oklahoma
17. Fresno St.
18. Northern Illinois
19. Texas A&M
20. UCLA
21. Miami, FL.
22. Central Florida
23. Mississippi
24. Georgia
25. Arizona St.

[britrock88]

1. Alabama (3)
2. Florida State (1)
3. Oregon (2)
4. Missouri (4)
5. Baylor (6)
6. Stanford (7)
7. Arizona State (5)
8. Ohio State (10)
9. Wisconsin (15)
10. Auburn (16)
11. Clemson (9)
12. South Carolina (12)
13. Brigham Young (8)
14. Georgia (11)
15. Oklahoma State (18)
16. Louisiana State (13)
17. Texas A&M (14)
18. UCLA (19)
19. Washington (21)
20. Southern California (22)
21. Georgia Tech (24)
22. Virginia Tech (NR)
23. Mississippi (25)
24. Miami (FL) (17)
25. Michigan State (NR)

Dropped out: Florida, Louisville

[Chief Rum]

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Baylor
4. Ohio State
5. Stanford
6. Oregon
7. Missouri
8. Clemson
9. Auburn
10. Oklahoma State
11. South Carolina
12. Texas A&M
13. Fresno State
14. Oklahoma
15. LSU
16. Northern Illinois
17. UCLA
18. Arizona State
19. Miami FL
20. Wisconsin
21. Michigan State
22. Louisville
23. Georgia
24. Mississippi
25. Central Florida

[Cuckoo]

1. Alabama (1)
2. Florida State (3)
3. Ohio State (4)
4. Baylor (5)
5. Stanford (6)
6. Oregon (2)
7. Clemson (7)
8. Auburn (8)
9. Missouri (10)
10. Oklahoma State (11)
11. Texas A&M (15)
12. Fresno State (12)
13. South Carolina (19)
14. UCLA (20)
15. Michigan State (22)
16. Northern Illinois (16)
17. Central Florida (17)
18. Louisville (18)
19. LSU (14)
20. Texas (NR)
21. Oklahoma (9)
22. Arizona State (23)
23. Wisconsin (25)
24. Miami (13)
25. Georgia (NR)

Dropped out: Notre Dame (21), Texas Tech (24)

[mauchow]

Wisconsin just beat BYU pretty handily...:)

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Baylor
4. Ohio State
5. Stanford
6. Oregon
7. Missouri
8. Clemson
9. Auburn
10. Oklahoma State
11. South Carolina
12. Texas A&M
13. Fresno State
14. Oklahoma
15. LSU
16. Northern Illinois
17. UCLA
18. Arizona State
19. Miami FL
20. BYU
21. Michigan State
22. Louisville
23. Georgia
24. Mississippi
25. Central Florida

[Chief Rum]

Wisconsin just beat BYU pretty handily...:)

Whoops, I got those switched around. I meant that spot to be Wisconsin.

Thanks for pointing it out.

[WVUFAN]

So, Stanford, who just beat Oregon this past week, is 5th, while Oregon is #3?

1. Alabama (3)
2. Florida State (1)
3. Oregon (2)
4. Missouri (4)
5. Baylor (6)
6. Stanford (7)
7. Arizona State (5)
8. Ohio State (10)
9. Wisconsin (15)
10. Auburn (16)
11. Clemson (9)
12. South Carolina (12)
13. Brigham Young (8)
14. Georgia (11)
15. Oklahoma State (18)
16. Louisiana State (13)
17. Texas A&M (14)
18. UCLA (19)
19. Washington (21)
20. Southern California (22)
21. Georgia Tech (24)
22. Virginia Tech (NR)
23. Mississippi (25)
24. Miami (FL) (17)
25. Michigan State (NR)

Dropped out: Florida, Louisville

[britrock88]

So, Stanford, who just beat Oregon this past week, is 5th, while Oregon is #3?

This is a result of Oregon's tendency to pound its opponents. The Ducks' SOS is 38th compared to Stanford's 7th, but Oregon's mMOV is 20.2 against the Cardinal's 11.3. A 6-point home victory for Stanford in the head-to-head matchup also suggests that the teams are on pretty even footing; the W-L result itself does not necessitate that Stanford leap Oregon in the ranking.

[Vince, Pt. II]

...the W-L result itself does not necessitate that Stanford leap Oregon in the ranking.

I've actually thought about this before. If you look at the two teams abstractly, you have two one loss teams. One lost to an unranked opponent, the other lost to the #5 team in the country. One of those is a much more quality loss than the other. Is Stanford better than Oregon? They were on THAT DAY, but does that make them a better team? Pretty sure if we could play the Oregon/Stanford game 100 times, it'd be damn near a 50/50 split on who wins.

Edit: I also realize this isn't the argument your ranking system is using, brit.

[britrock88]

I've actually thought about this before. If you look at the two teams abstractly, you have two one loss teams. One lost to an unranked opponent, the other lost to the #5 team in the country. One of those is a much more quality loss than the other. Is Stanford better than Oregon? They were on THAT DAY, but does that make them a better team? Pretty sure if we could play the Oregon/Stanford game 100 times, it'd be damn near a 50/50 split on who wins.

Edit: I also realize this isn't the argument your ranking system is using, brit.

True that the math doesn't think about the relative standing of the teams as you have. But your point is well taken, all the same.

[mauchow]

The six point loss to Stanford doesn't represent how badly Stanford beat down Oregon.

[Solecismic]

That's where including statistics in the equation is helpful, because even though the score was close, if you look at the primary stats from the game you'd expect a wider margin.

Six points for the home team is about what you'd expect from evenly-matched teams.

A rating includes all results from a season. While a team never has an equivalent effort in every game, I hope that by the time they've played 8-9 games, we've seen a representative sample of that team. Some teams are more consistent than others.

One of the measures I use in my ratings is a total strength of victory. It represents, basically, "what have you accomplished this season." In that measure, Stanford is #1 in the country (Fresno State is 29th and Northern Illinois is 45th).

[cartman]

Here's the Top 25 from Solecismic's Football Frontier:

1. Florida State
2. Alabama
3. Baylor
4. Ohio State
5. Stanford
6. Oregon
7. Missouri
8. Auburn
9. Clemson
10. Wisconsin
11. South Carolina
12. Oklahoma State
13. Arizona State
14. Georgia
15. Central Florida
16. UCLA
17. Texas A&M
18. Washington
19. Louisville
20. Georgia Tech
21. Oklahoma
22. Virginia Tech
23. BYU
24. Miami, FL
25. Utah

My Top 25:

1. Florida State
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. Baylor
5. Auburn
6. Stanford
7. Oregon
8. Clemson
9. Missouri
10. Texas A&M
11. Louisville
12. Oklahoma State
13. Fresno State
14. South Carolina
15. Northern Illinois
16. UCLA
17. Central Florida
18. Michigan State
19. Wisconsin
20. Arizona State
21. Oklahoma
22. Miami, FL
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. Georgia

[General Mike]

1. Alabama
2. Florida State
3. Ohio State
4. Baylor
5. Fresno State
6. Northern Illinois
7. Stanford
8. Oregon
9. Auburn
10. Clemson
11. Missouri
12. Michigan State
13. UCF
14. Louisville
15. Oklahoma State
16. Texas A&M
17. South Carolina
18. Wisconsin
19. Texas
20. Arizona State
21. UCLA
22. Duke
23. Oklahoma
24. Miami
25. Minnesota

[WVUFAN]

This is a result of Oregon's tendency to pound its opponents. The Ducks' SOS is 38th compared to Stanford's 7th, but Oregon's mMOV is 20.2 against the Cardinal's 11.3. A 6-point home victory for Stanford in the head-to-head matchup also suggests that the teams are on pretty even footing; the W-L result itself does not necessitate that Stanford leap Oregon in the ranking.

I have always assumed that when a team beats another team head-to-head, and the records are the same, then the team that WON would be ranked higher than the team that lost.

Then again, you still have Alabama at 2, while Auburn you have at 9, and both are in the same conference, so I would assume that my logic doesn't suit you.