NFL Week 12

[kingfc22]

How the hell is that not a flag, yet the hit on Brees on Sunday was???

Still a bullshit call.

[Julio Riddols]

WTF was that TNF intro song? Who the hell does that appeal to?

Also, regarding the non flag - Damn I wish they would stop babying the QB's.

[cuervo72]

Heh. My daughter was ripping on that last week. "Who's city? Your city? It's not your city. And why do you have long sleeves but aren't wearing pants? Wait, who ARE you anyway?"

[cuervo72]

Uh, Nessler? Ingram was upset that the whistle blew. Derp.

[albionmoonlight]

I did not expect the Saints to go on the road on Thursday against a division opponent after having played the late game on Sunday against a physical 49ers team and win.

I am happy that they pulled that out.

Next week against Seattle (with both teams having had a long week to prepare) should be a really good one.

[Julio Riddols]

Uh, Nessler? Ingram was upset that the whistle blew. Derp.

How any NFL level running back misses that hole blows my mind though. When they showed the replay I about shit myself in my incredulity. It was literally 8 feet wide and right in front of him and he tries to bounce AROUND a blocker that forces him to move laterally into the arms of the guy who was completely out of the play until Ingram decided he didn't like how that huge hole looked. I almost think he was mad at himself for being such a dumbass.

[BishopMVP]

Just curious if anyone out there supports the decision to attempt a FG there with 2 minutes left? I know it's 4th and 15 and your best WR's are injured, but that's just a weak decision.

PS - has the NFL banned dunking the ball as a celebration yet?

[Logan]

I turned it back on right before the kick (think it was actually about 2:25 left?) so I was more interested in the play calling leading up to that. But not knowing that, I probably would have just went for it. It would be different if it was a chip shot but it was about 53 yards right? No gimme.

I think I'd rather go for the conversion, and if you don't get it, maybe you'll earn a little in the way of field position or, ideally in a failure, they end up catching a deep INT which is effectively a pooch punt. At the very least you save the 7 yards on the missed FG.

Even if he made the kick, you then have to recover the onside kick and if you fail, you've given them significantly better field position than where they would have taken over on a failed 4th down try. And in the event you stop them from getting a first down, in the "FG is good" scenario, they're probably in field position where it makes more sense to just go for it on 4th and end the game. Whereas if you went for it originally, they would punt.

The odds were likely pretty small in either situation. I'm sure we'll get the win probabilities soon that would shed some more light on the call, statistically.

[Julio Riddols]

Considering Bryant had hit his last 9 over 50 plus, and it was in a dome.. I think the kick was the right call. Converting a 4th and 15 is WAY less likely than hitting a 50 yard FG these days, and the Falcons had enough time on the clock to get a stop and get the ball back for another FG. They could have kicked off normally if the FG had been good, then they would have had to get a 3 and out.

I think if they get the FG and a 3 and out, they probably win the game.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I think if they get the FG and a 3 and out, they probably win the game.

Then again, there's the odds of the Falcons getting a 3-and-out to consider. They did it on the opening drive of the night, did it once more in the 2nd qtr, not once in the 2nd half.

[Julio Riddols]

Then again, there's the odds of the Falcons getting a 3-and-out to consider. They did it on the opening drive of the night, did it once more in the 2nd qtr, not once in the 2nd half.

Very true. I wonder if the percentages favor the 3 and out approach over trying to convert a 4th and 15. I bet it's pretty close.

[cartman]

I'm pretty sure this is a flashing neon sign of dementia:

Jerry Jones, owner of Dallas Cowboys, says he's doing his best job in years - ESPN Dallas (http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10018178/jerry-jones-owner-dallas-cowboys-says-doing-best-job-years)

[jeff061]

So for my birthday my girlfriend bought me sideline tickets to the Pats game tonight, tickets to the Smerlas/DeOssie pre and post game tailgate and a private limo ride there and back.

So yeah, I don't think I am going to try and compete when her birthday rolls around.

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice - have fun Jeff!!!

I've got to say that I'm havin g a hard time seeing how the Pats can pull out a win tonight, so I'm going to go into it with real low expectations. But that's probably also a strategy to keep myself from getting too upset.

Edit to clarify: I think offensively they would be able to keep it close (although to be fair they're not firing on all cylinders as impressively as Denver), but I just think defensively with all the injuries they won't be able to stop Denver enough to give the offense the chance to keep it close.

That's also my schtick too though right? And then you can all point and scold me for not being a believer when they pull out a last-second victory. And you know what - I hope that's the way it plays out and I'd gladly take all the ribbing it if it does. If that's what it takes!

[albionmoonlight]

The game will be tied 24-24 with five minutes left in the fourth quarter. The camera will pan to an animated Belichick, who will be taking a cornerback aside and pointing to something and showing him how to diagnose a double move. Then the camera will pan to Jack Del Rio, who will look like a guy who just realized that he computed his dollar menu order without factoring in sales tax, as a few players and assistant coaches stand around awkwardly.

Then DaddyTorgo will say "oh, yeah. I forgot. We have the greatest coach of the last 25 years and they have the guy fired from the Jaguars." Then he will throw in a "Good Times!" because I suspect that he reads a lot of Bill Simmons :)

[bulletsponge]

how is that not a flag on the houston defender? he touched the QB!

[JonInMiddleGA]

That's also my schtick too though right? And then you can all point and scold me for not being a believer when they pull out a last-second victory.

Around my neck of the woods, we call that "being Vince Dooley" :D

[Buccaneer]

Jack Del Rio, who will look like a guy who just realized that he computed his dollar menu order without factoring in sales tax, as a few players and assistant coaches stand around awkwardly.

I had to laugh at that one. At least Del Rio can figure out the dollar menu as oppose to Wade Phillips who looked like a guy that could not for the life of him figure out why there were big guys in colorful shirts and pants rolling around on the lawn.

[kingfc22]

Tolzien with the madden juke for the TD. LOL.

[Jas_lov]

Tolzien! This will be the only game the Packers have a chance to win without Rodgers, only because Minnesota is one of the few teams in the league that have a worse QB situation. GB needs to win today, have Rodgers return for Thanksgiving and win that game. That Lions-GB game basically decides the tiebreaker for the division title.

[Coffee Warlord]

Bears defense - still terrible.

[JPhillips]

Crotch fumble?

[Coffee Warlord]

Both Long brothers actually deserve to get tossed. Howie must be proud.

Kyle Long tries to kick some dude on the ground.
Chris Long rushes the field during the "fighting".

[Thomkal]

Snowing in Cleveland...ah its football season at last :)

[Thomkal]

Both Long brothers actually deserve to get tossed. Howie must be proud.

Kyle Long tries to kick some dude on the ground.
Chris Long rushes the field during the "fighting".


Howie and his wife are both at the game, they interviewed them on Fox earlier, so now they got to see it in person. Hope they show their mother chewing them out for fighting ;)

[miami_fan]

I still have no idea what a illegal hit. Player safety my ass

[claphamsa]

Keuchly just took someones head off.

[Arles]

Tolzien! This will be the only game the Packers have a chance to win without Rodgers, only because Minnesota is one of the few teams in the league that have a worse QB situation. GB needs to win today, have Rodgers return for Thanksgiving and win that game. That Lions-GB game basically decides the tiebreaker for the division title.
GB is just awful to watch right now. 2-3 CBs out, 2 LBs out, Rodgers, Finley, 2 OL, Cobb and now Franklin got hurt on the kickoff. Their offense Lacy and Nelson making a great play on a marginal Tolzien pass. On D, these 3-4th string DBs can't catch and have already dropped two gift INTs. Just a shame to watch a team that had so much promise slip into irrelevancy because of an insurmountable number of key injuries.

[BillJasper]

I still have no idea what a illegal hit. Player safety my ass

No doubt. Threw a flag then picked it up. What a bullshit non-call.

[Radii]

Kuechly is officially immune to penalties in the end zone.

Carolina's offense though... holy shit this is bad today.

[BillJasper]

Carolina did a nice job getting a FG before the half.

[DaddyTorgo]

The game will be tied 24-24 with five minutes left in the fourth quarter. The camera will pan to an animated Belichick, who will be taking a cornerback aside and pointing to something and showing him how to diagnose a double move. Then the camera will pan to Jack Del Rio, who will look like a guy who just realized that he computed his dollar menu order without factoring in sales tax, as a few players and assistant coaches stand around awkwardly.

Then DaddyTorgo will say "oh, yeah. I forgot. We have the greatest coach of the last 25 years and they have the guy fired from the Jaguars." Then he will throw in a "Good Times!" because I suspect that he reads a lot of Bill Simmons :)

Hey if that's the case I'll be giddy. And yes, I'll probably say something like that if we do end up winning (depending obviously on how the game plays out of course).

And I don't read a lot of Simmons - he was fun when he a local or still wasn't overexposed, but now that he's a West Coaster and is overexposed he's annoying.

[Thomkal]

Matt Flynn in for Tolzien in Green Bay...and thus the circle is complete :)

[Radii]

Solid drive for Carolina, huge 4th and 1 call from their own 41 and 4 nice runs from Cam on the drive (two designed/two scrambles). Hopefully that is a sign of things to come for the rest of the half.

[Galaril]

Wow the Chargers are getting royally jobbed by the refs in KC.m play FOOTBALL already!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wow the Chargers are getting royally jobbed by the refs in KC.m play FOOTBALL already!

Please. The calls they've been making are all good calls. Haven't seen anything that wasn't a clear call.

However, it was hilarious to see Philip Rivers get into it with Andy Reid. Reid tried to ignore him and then turned around to give him a piece of his mind after he wouldn't shut up.

[BillJasper]

Lamar Miller needs to quit running fucking backwards.

[weegeebored]

Trestman is still a fucking idiot. You're down 10 with a bad defense and you go for it? Go back to the CFL.

[EagleFan]

WTF Detroit!?!?!?

My suicide pool run is in serious danger.

[Desnudo]

Nice - have fun Jeff!!!

I've got to say that I'm havin g a hard time seeing how the Pats can pull out a win tonight, so I'm going to go into it with real low expectations. But that's probably also a strategy to keep myself from getting too upset.

Edit to clarify: I think offensively they would be able to keep it close (although to be fair they're not firing on all cylinders as impressively as Denver), but I just think defensively with all the injuries they won't be able to stop Denver enough to give the offense the chance to keep it close.

That's also my schtick too though right? And then you can all point and scold me for not being a believer when they pull out a last-second victory. And you know what - I hope that's the way it plays out and I'd gladly take all the ribbing it if it does. If that's what it takes!

The weather

[EagleFan]

Did I seriously just here the phrase "bring Matt Flynn back to Green Bay and the magic is back"...?

[Jas_lov]

Matt Flynn should have started the game. Might be too little too late. Defense will have to stop AP, which they can't do.

[ColtCrazy]

Yes you did. Apparently tape of his other stops has been completely destroyed. Matt Flynn: evil genius.

[jbergey22]

Trestman is still a fucking idiot. You're down 10 with a bad defense and you go for it? Go back to the CFL.

Sadly, it sounds as if Lovie has programmed you on how football should be played.

This is also why most coaches dont "go for it". Fans wanting to second guess everything they do and not realizing the risk associated with "going for it".

[EagleFan]

Those da*n New England Saints, their defense can't even score a touchdown...

(sorry, just amusing myself at the NFL Red Zone announcer's misstatement)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Crazy stuff in Arrowhead with Justin Houston and Tamba Hali both out of the game. Neither defensive line is doing anything in the 2nd half.

[hoopsguy]

The refereeing in Bears/Rams game has been somewhere south of god awful.

[bulletsponge]

mon Ponder, all the other bad teams are winning, dont start to play good now

[jbergey22]

Finalize the collapse Vikings. Do what you do best.

[Coffee Warlord]

The refereeing in Bears/Rams game has been somewhere south of god awful.

The game needs more holding calls.

The ref doing this game is, in my opinion, the worst in the league.

[bulletsponge]

Rodgers has a great 70's porn 'stache going

[hoopsguy]

I would like the opportunity to run the ball against the Bears defense.

[BillJasper]

I knew the Dolphins had lost the game the moment they picked up the flag against Keuchly.

[weegeebored]

Sadly, it sounds as if Lovie has programmed you on how football should be played.

This is also why most coaches dont "go for it". Fans wanting to second guess everything they do and not realizing the risk associated with "going for it".You want to debate me about this go ahead. I will put my football knowledge up against yours any day.

[Galaril]

Crazy stuff in Arrowhead with Justin Houston and Tamba Hali both out of the game. Neither defensive line is doing anything in the 2nd half.

Peyton Manning I'm is happy to read that. Didn't he Chiefs have the DTs injured last week too?

[Radii]

fun red zone channel moment right there, Carolina and KC both appear to salvage wins simultaneously.

[jbergey22]

You want to debate me about this go ahead. I will put up my football knowledge up against yours any day.

Sure. Your knowledge consists of what Madden talked about 30 years ago on TV. Time to evolve.

[jbergey22]

fun red zone channel moment right there, Carolina and KC both appear to salvage wins simultaneously.

The under the radar Panthers, The best team we dont hear much about.

[BishopMVP]

The weatherPeople have been clamoring for a return to the early 2000's Patriots.... well here we go. Manning favored vs. Brady in Foxboro, temp in the teens, 20 mph+ winds, a patchwork secondary (who is Justin Green?). Gonna be a fun one.

[Thomkal]

Bummer, if Carolina had lost and my beloved Cards win today, I think they would have the wild card spot from Carolina. Which is just bizarre given how the Cards have played at times this season.

[weegeebored]

Sure. Your knowledge consists of what Madden talked about 30 years ago on TV. Time to evolve.If by evolve you mean playing stupid football, then I'll take the 30 year old Madden approach.

[BishopMVP]

The under the radar Panthers, The best team we dont hear much about.They just came off a win over the 49ers and a Sunday night victory over the Pats. I'd say they're being properly talked about by now.

[Thomkal]

wow what an last quarter in SD/KC

[jbergey22]

If by evolve you mean playing stupid football, then I'll take the 30 year old Madden approach.

Stupid in hindsight? Or stupid according to percentages? Two different things.

The percentages say coaches should "go for it" far more than they do.

[Jas_lov]

Matty Flynn has single handedly brought the Packers back from the brink of elimination. He has done all he can. It's up to Capers and the D now. Just stop Ponder and it's a 3 way tie for the division.

[Dutch]

Bizarre game between the Bucs and Lions. Lions played "better" but couldn't stop turning the ball over, basically giving the Bucs the win. QB Rook Glennon did some good things...is amazingly un-athletic, but is very accurate and seems to have good read skills.

Oh...and Rian Lindell had a disasterous game which may have him leaving pro football on a very sour note. Sorry buddy, but those are the breaks of being an NFL kicker.

[Coffee Warlord]

Stupid in hindsight? Or stupid according to percentages? Two different things.

The percentages say coaches should "go for it" far more than they do.

The only stupid part was putting in Michael Bush on the play. Dude has done nothing this year.

[BillJasper]

#33 for the Packers is a moron. Turned and ran with a receiver even though it was obvious Petersen had the ball.

[EagleFan]

from 9-0 to 9-7?

[Lathum]

Dear Direct TV. If you are going to show the end of the PAckers- Vikings game on the local channel that is supposed to be carrying Giants- Cowboys please allow me to watch the game on the blacked out channel. It is what I pay hundreds of dollars for. K Thx.

[BillJasper]

Alex Smith has to know he can't take a sack there.

[EagleFan]

that was the best play they could come up with?

[BillJasper]

from 9-0 to 9-7?

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

That loss is on Andy Reid. He's done a lot for this team, but his clock management on that KC touchdown drive was poor. It allowed SD about 30 extra seconds and that's exactly what they needed.

In the end, it doesn't change much. If KC wins next week, they control their own destiny for the #1 seed.

[Lathum]

Why are the Vikings even attempting to hand it off?


err...didnt realize PAckers had kicked a FG

[Radii]

So the Jets, Miami, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, and the winner of Oakland/Tennessee will be tied for the last playoff spot in the AFC at 5-6...

[EagleFan]

but his clock management on that KC touchdown drive was poor.

Where's my surprised face.... :)

[EagleFan]

Is this the first OT game in which both teams kicked a field goal on their first possession in overtime since the new rule started?

[weegeebored]

Stupid in hindsight? Or stupid according to percentages? Two different things.

The percentages say coaches should "go for it" far more than they do.Football isn't a spreadsheet or a video game. You can look at raw numbers but they don't tell you anything about what is happening "right now" in a game. At that point in the 3rd Q, down by ten -- in THIS game -- you take the three points. But everyone thinks that Trestman is a genius, except me.

[jbergey22]

Is this the first OT game in which both teams kicked a field goal on their first possession in overtime since the new rule started?

Just to piss lathum off. Lol

[BillJasper]

Great drive by Green Bay. Ran three plays and stopped the clock three times!

[BishopMVP]

Damnit Chiefs. As much as I'd love to continue the Brady vs. Manning debate in the AFC CG, even the most irrational Pats fan doesn't want to have to go play in Denver.

Also in the AFC playoff picture, it's still unlikely, but more likely now with Jets and Dolphins losses today that the AFC's 2nd wild card will be 8-8 at best, and possibly even the first 7-9 wild card.

[BillJasper]

Damnit Chiefs. As much as I'd love to continue the Brady vs. Manning debate in the AFC CG, even the most irrational Pats fan doesn't want to have to go play in Denver.

Also in the AFC playoff picture, it's still unlikely, but more likely now with Jets and Dolphins losses today that the AFC's 2nd wild card will be 8-8 at best, and possibly even the first 7-9 wild card.

I think someone will get hot and finish 8-8. :lol:

[jbergey22]

Football isn't a spreadsheet or a video game. You can look at raw numbers but they don't tell you anything about what is happening "right now" in a game. At that point in the 3rd Q, down by ten -- in THIS game -- you take the three points. But everyone thinks that Trestman is a genius, except me.

Spreadsheets dont nor does a persons eye or feel. Percentages and spreadsheets generally have a larger data set so in the long run are likely more reliable. If they would have gotten it and scored a td i doubt you'd be calling it a bad move. They took a risk and failed which leaves him open to being second guessed. In the long run that guy will win games for you making the smart decisions.

[ColtCrazy]

Unless the Packer starting making some big chunks of yardage, looks like 2013's first tie is coming up soon.

[Atocep]

The only stupid part was putting in Michael Bush on the play. Dude has done nothing this year.

I'd rather see Forte getting the ball in those situations and Ford giving him a breather when he needs it.

Never understood why coaches think their 2nd or 3rd best RB should be the one getting carries in crucial situations.

[BillJasper]

Flynn is going to have to take a shot downfield.

[BillJasper]

Is there something wrong with Flynn's arm?

[bhlloy]

So this is why Flynn kept losing his starting jobs? He's got a Pennington noodle arm today

[Atocep]

Is there something wrong with Flynn's arm?

Yes, has an elbow injury that's killed his arm strength. It's why he couldn't stick in Oakland or Buffalo and no one else was interested in signing him.

[weegeebored]

Spreadsheets dont nor does a persons eye or feel. Percentages and spreadsheets generally have a larger data set so in the long run are likely more reliable. If they would have gotten it and scored a td i doubt you'd be calling it a bad move. They took a risk and failed which leaves him open to being second guessed. In the long run that guy will win games for you making the smart decisions.We will just have to agree to disagree. Trestman's success on 4th down isn't that good, and statistics/percentages can always be misinterpreted. See this for an example: Marc Trestman a Victim of Poor Logic, Fails to Call Timeout (http://www.footballperspective.com/marc-trestman-a-victim-of-poor-logic-fails-to-call-timeout/)

I understand your point of second guessing, but if you heard a guy yelling "KICK THE FIELD GOAL", that was me. :)

[Jas_lov]

Even with no arm strength Flynn is still better than Tolzien. I don't know why Tolzien started this game. Detroit and Chicago don't seem to want the division either. Detroit had this in the bag and blew it. Now it sets up for a big Thanksgiving game. Winner gets the tiebreaker and if GB wins they might get Rodgers back for the last 4 games to clinch it.

[weegeebored]

Never understood why coaches think their 2nd or 3rd best RB should be the one getting carries in crucial situations.This.
And your post makes me think of a NFL player question: who is the worst safety in the NFL? A: The guy backing up Chris Conte. How bad does he have to be not to start over Conte?

[mckerney]

Great drive by Green Bay. Ran three plays and stopped the clock three times!

To be fair to them, putting the ball in Ponder's hands may have been their best chance of getting a score there.

Really hoping this will finally be the last time we see Ponder play for the Vikings but I'm pretty sure he'll be taking the field to a chorus of boos next week. :(

[JPhillips]

Holy shit. As of this moment the Steelers are a playoff team.

[Thomkal]

Cards looking really good right now after a Carlos Dansby pick 6 against Indy.

[Thomkal]

Holy shit. As of this moment the Steelers are a playoff team.

heh just now on RedZone, they just said that the winner of the Oak/Tenn game gets the 6th playoff seed. That's just crazy that Tennessee could have it after giving Jax their first win.

[Comey]

So I started Keenum over Matt Ryan, and Ben Tate over Reggie Bush. Also, TY Hilton got hurt. This nonsense seems to happen every week...especially lately.

I'm the worst fantasy coach ever. Funny thing is, I'll probably still win this week.

[Lathum]

Great run by Jacobs but he HAS to just put his head down and run over the defender. He is a 240 pound back against a 180 pound DB and he tries to juke him instead of carry him into the endzone. And of course the drive stalls from the 5 and we settle for a field goal.

[Lathum]

Jesus Christ Andre Brown, stop running out of bounds!

[Lathum]

2 brutal roughing calls against the Giants. I guess you can understand the Romo once because we all know the rules are different for a QB, but the one on Murray was terrible.

[BishopMVP]

Even with no arm strength Flynn is still better than Tolzien. I don't know why Tolzien started this game.Even when he was at Wisconsin, did anyone feel like Tolzien was a top 5 QB in the Big Ten? I understand why Major League Lacrosse or MLS teams have to sign local guys to fill out the practice squad, but this is the NFL - you can cast a wider net there Green Bay.heh just now on RedZone, they just said that the winner of the Oak/Tenn game gets the 6th playoff seed. That's just crazy that Tennessee could have it after giving Jax their first win....they play Indy next week. Could only be a game back in their division after that :lol:

[Julio Riddols]

Great run by Jacobs but he HAS to just put his head down and run over the defender. He is a 240 pound back against a 180 pound DB and he tries to juke him instead of carry him into the endzone. And of course the drive stalls from the 5 and we settle for a field goal.

This is the one thing that stopped him from being a really good back. I think he had the skills to be one of the best but was just so damn soft.

[Lathum]

This is the one thing that stopped him from being a really good back. I think he had the skills to be one of the best but was just so damn soft.

When he had his one big year, 1200 yards and 15 TDs he ran people over and was a beast. As soon as he got the big money he started going side to side and trying to be a finesse back.

[claphamsa]

how was that not a catch? he even controlled it through the ground...

[Jas_lov]

It should have been a catch but who knows with these rules. They could have at least reviewed it in the booth since that is what they are there for under 2:00. If I'm a DB and the WR makes the catch falling to the ground and is just sitting on the ground I would just go up and slap the ball out of his hands, by rule he wouldn't have completed the process.

[Desnudo]

Waiting for the Cowboys recap - "Romo fails to throw interception, wins game."

[hoopsguy]

The fact that they did not go to the booth to review that "incompletion" was terrible. Glad it did not impact the outcome.

[EagleFan]

how was that not a catch? he even controlled it through the ground...

Ball ended up 5 yards away from him so not sure how that equates to controlling through the ground.

[DaddyTorgo]

Color me surprised at the studio guys picking the Pats.

[Lathum]

The fact that they did not go to the booth to review that "incompletion" was terrible. Glad it did not impact the outcome.

agree, wife and I both were sure it was a catch.

Bottom line is Giants needed to convert in the red zone and didn't. Also took way to many penalties.

[DaddyTorgo]

Fucking tired of Ridley. Cut his ass.

[Lathum]

last time we'll see Ridley tonight, maybe this year

[Matthean]

WTF Detroit!?!?!?

My suicide pool run is in serious danger.

What part of Detroit Lions don't you understand? The division is being gift wrapped to them, and they keep pissing it away.

[DaddyTorgo]

last time we'll see Ridley tonight, maybe this year

Good. Great runner, but I can't stand fumbleitis.

Way to put us in a 7-0 hole fuckbag.

[DaddyTorgo]

Cool - now I can watch Walking Dead instead of having to DVR it.

Thanks for making it easy Pats.

[TroyF]

Cool - now I can watch Walking Dead instead of having to DVR it.

Thanks for making it easy Pats.

You think the game is over now? Really?

[jbergey22]

You think the game is over now? Really?

He has missed quite a few Tom Brady last minute heroics in his life apparently.

[spleen1015]

Typical DT guys. He'll be back.

[kingfc22]

wow

[larrymcg421]

You think the game is over now? Really?

Welcome to FOFC.

[Lathum]

Cool - now I can watch Walking Dead instead of having to DVR it.

Thanks for making it easy Pats.

Good for you.

A true fan only watches their team when they are winning!

[DaddyTorgo]

Good for you.

A true fan only watches their team when they are winning!

I have better things to do with my time.

And I'm less a football fan these days then I used to be. Now if it was a soccer game I'd be watching till the bitter end.

[Danny]

So Ridley, Blount and Brady all cut after this week will make dt happy

[Desnudo]

You think the game is over now? Really?

The next score is crucial, but if Denver goes up 21-0, yeah it's over

[Desnudo]

Yeah it's over

[Desnudo]

Jesus screen for fucking 32 yards. Same thing happened last week.

[jbergey22]

Did the Patriots lose the Super Bowl or something last week? Hard to imagine them coming out so flat for a home game against the Broncos.

[Desnudo]

Several terrible turnovers changed the tone of the game.

[EagleFan]

Should thank them for allowing us to get more sleep tonight.

[fantom1979]

2 brutal roughing calls against the Giants. I guess you can understand the Romo once because we all know the rules are different for a QB, but the one on Murray was terrible.

I've seen the refs call that borderline out of bound roughing call several times this year on the Red Zone channel. I don't always agree with the call, but it's hard to argue with it when it seems like they are consistently calling it.

[fantom1979]

What part of Detroit Lions don't you understand? The division is being gift wrapped to them, and they keep pissing it away.

Two weeks ago I said that I thought the Lions could win at least 5 of their last 7 games. Well, they just lost two of the games I thought they could win. The division should have been theirs. Alone in first place with a soft schedule the rest of the way, and they are pissing it away.

[jbergey22]

Two weeks ago I said that I thought the Lions could win at least 5 of their last 7 games. Well, they just lost two of the games I thought they could win. The division should have been theirs. Alone in first place with a soft schedule the rest of the way, and they are pissing it away.

One day maybe Stafford will be consistently good and not have to depend on megatron so much.

I seen a post about Schwartz above and I completely agree that he needs to be re-evaluated. This Lions team has too much talent to be stuck in 8-8 land.

[jbergey22]

Is it just me or does Monte Ball lose a fumble every game he sees the field?

[TroyF]

Is it just me or does Monte Ball lose a fumble every game he sees the field?

Everything I worried about happening that quarter happened. Denver was WAY too conservative with the wind. The Patriots figured out the pass rush and Brady got hot.

They should have been going for the throat. The Patriots are now the favorites in this football game.

[hoopsguy]

Was checking to see if DT had returned to the thread yet.

[Julio Riddols]

Tom Brady just hulked up, holy shit. That's what Hogan used to do before he would put the big leg drop on a motherfucker.

[Grover]

Holy shit.

[kingfc22]

Time to drop another "wow"

[Jas_lov]

And all those people thought the game was over in the 1st quarter and went to bed already. They haven't been watching very many games.

[cartman]

Hope those Walking Dead episodes are everything DT thought they would be.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Tom Brady just hulked up, holy shit. That's what Hogan used to do before he would put the big leg drop on a motherfucker.

I hate the outcome, but credit for a good line

[claphamsa]

just got home from hockey... and the last 15 post or so were fabulous :)

[Apathetic Lurker]

Yeah it's overFat lady missed her cue to start warming up


Good thing the Patsies spotted Manning a few points otherwise it would be an embarrassing blowout....

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Hopefully officials keep calling those pick plays that Denver runs just like they did there. Let the defender rough them up if they keep calling them. That's how it should be. If they do, it REALLY limits the effectiveness of Denver's offense.

[Julio Riddols]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cyir0XASn3w/UpLKbJHerYI/AAAAAAAAD8M/-sOkz23zYQU/s400/brady.gif

[fantom1979]

Just starting watching this game on my DVR. Can't believe the Pats have coughed this game away with three fumbles in the first 8 minutes. Denver looks completely unbeatable and New England continues to look average at best. Just from this start, I am going to guess that Denver wins this game 84-0, Manning will probably throw for 600 yards and 7 touchdowns. Anyone that started Denver's defense in this game is looking at a guaranteed shutout. Brady will get benched for Mallet by half-time and this just might be the last game of his career. Vereen, Ridley, Blount, and Bolden will be cut from the team tomorrow, and Leon Washington will be resigned to be their new starting running back.

Pretty sure this is the way it is going to happen, please don't spoil it for me :)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just starting watching this game on my DVR. Can't believe the Pats have coughed this game away with three fumbles in the first 8 minutes. Denver looks completely unbeatable and New England continues to look average at best. Just from this start, I am going to guess that Denver wins this game 84-0, Manning will probably throw for 600 yards and 7 touchdowns. Anyone that started Denver's defense in this game is looking at a guaranteed shutout. Brady will get benched for Mallet by half-time and this just might be the last game of his career. Vereen, Ridley, Blount, and Bolden will be cut from the team tomorrow, and Leon Washington will be resigned to be their new starting running back.

Pretty sure this is the way it is going to happen, please don't spoil it for me :)

Best leave this thread right now.

[fantom1979]

Nevermind, screw it.. This game is over. I am turning off the DVR and am going to watch The Wizard of Oz on TBS.

[kingfc22]

That was an Eli inspired throw if I ever saw one.

Lucky there was a flag.

[claphamsa]

Manning looks like hes having issues with his gloves... he shoudl man up and take them off.

[fantom1979]

Last time Peyton Manning has been held under 200 yards was:
December 26th, 2010: 179 yards against Oakland (29 starts)

He is currently at 115 yards with 3:15 left.

He has been under 200 yards a total of 40 times in his career, but it appears that 7 of those times happened on the last week of the season where he probably didn't play or throw much.

[Desnudo]

Fat lady missed her cue to start warming up


Good thing the Patsies spotted Manning a few points otherwise it would be an embarrassing blowout....

I have a feeling it would have ended up this way no matter what

[hoopsguy]

Ninkovich is no longer allowed to be captain, after peeping over to the sidelines to ask Bill what to do upon winning the coin toss.

And I'm 100% rooting for Broncos TD to keep Pats from ever getting shot after they selected "wind" in OT. Would be very interested in any math suggesting that allowing highest scoring offense in football a chance to score TD and end game outright is the optimal play in this situation.

[Desnudo]

Out thinking it there I thnk. Never want manning with the ball.

[General Mike]

Not sure playing defense first is the right call in OT.

[Galaril]

So Moreno is going to get paid bigtime as a free agent after this season.

[fantom1979]

Marty Mornhinweg, despite is offense scoring 3 points with the Jets today, is smiling right now.

[General Mike]

Not sure playing defense first is the right call in OT.

worked out ok. :popcorn:

[hoopsguy]

Curses. Oh well, settle back in and return to relatively dispassionate observer mode again.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Wow. Big missed call there.

[hoopsguy]

I wonder what Brady thinks of the stuff Talib gets away with every other series.

[fantom1979]

It is way too early to really be thinking about this, but I wonder when the last time there was two ties in one week.

[General Mike]

GJGE Cody Carter

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Goodness me.

[kingfc22]

A backup QB blocking a FG in this game would just be par for the course.

[Buccaneer]

Wow. Awesome win for the Pats. Woo hoo!!!!!

[Desnudo]

That rates up there with the intentional safety game of improbable wins

[Danny]

Daddy torgo now has to turn off the game and go watch walking dead every week if he wants the pats to win

[Buccaneer]

Daddy torgo now has to turn off the game and go watch walking dead every week if he wants the pats to win

He really is an embarrassment to Pats fans everywhere, not to mention FOFC as well.

[DaddyTorgo]

He really is an embarrassment to Pats fans everywhere, not to mention FOFC as well.

Fuck you very much.

[Carman Bulldog]

Classic Manning cold weather performance. Broncos fans better pray that they get nice weather for the playoffs in Denver and in New York if they get there.

That missed call on pass interference in the end zone last week could have a huge impact on home field advantage in the playoffs. With a win against Carolina, New England sits in first right now in the AFC with five very winnable games.

[SirFozzie]

What a weird night.

Go to the Wrestling PPV, and sit in the corporate suite section keeping an eye on the scoreboard (I had thought that I would be able to get streaming video or highlights, I was mistaken). See the Pats go down 24-0.. think to myself smugly "Made the right decision".

Then the PPV ended on an extremely horrible main event that I half missed as I hurried back to the train station (the last train on the commuter rail leaves at 11:20.. I miss that, the next one's at 4:00 am!)..

See the Pats have cut the lead to 24-21.. as I take the city train to the commuter rail station it's 31-24 pats.. get on the commuter rail, and try to follow OT all the way home, get out of the commuter rail station and get into my car about 1 minute after the winning FG.

Missed a comeback for the ages.. and because I didn't give THAT much extra recording time on the DVR, highlights of the end is all I'm going to get.

[BishopMVP]

last time we'll see Ridley tonight, maybe this yearYear? If we had lost I wouldn't be surprised if he was left next to Jimmy Hoffa. He's 20% better running the ball than any of our other backs, but there isn't a chance in hell he sees the field again. Too bad, but it's just too far gone at this point.One day maybe Stafford will be consistently good and not have to depend on megatron so much.To be fair, if I was a QB and he was on my team I would throw jump balls to CJ every time he was in 1v1 coverage or I felt even the slightest bit of pressure.Then the PPV ended on an extremely horrible main event that I half missed as I hurried back to the train station (the last train on the commuter rail leaves at 11:20.. I miss that, the next one's at 4:00 am!)..The T is great if you're a family or a tourist and an absolute joke if you like to drink or go out. Having the last train leave 1+ hours before bars close, not extending any extra service when there are events (outside of one train to/from Foxboro that only runs for Pats games, and puts you there/takes you away within 30 min of kickoff so you can't tailgate).

[Lathum]

He really is an embarrassment to Pats fans everywhere, not to mention FOFC as well.

I have fun giving him a hard time, as others in this thread, but this is a pretty uncalled for comment.

Would I have turned off a Giants game in such fashion, no, but to call someone an embarrassment is unnecessary.

[Buccaneer]

I have fun giving him a hard time, as others in this thread, but this is a pretty uncalled for comment.

Would I have turned off a Giants game in such fashion, no, but to call someone an embarrassment is unnecessary.

Probably but this has been going on for a long time and has become a running joke. Fans could and did turn away from the game but you keep that to yourself and not promote it publicly.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

DT seems to relish shitting on his teams constantly, so when he's wrong I think he's due it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Fans could and did turn away from the game but you keep that to yourself and not promote it publicly.

Why not? Some stuff isn't worth watching, and that first half would definitely qualify if you're a Pats fan. You bail out then you risk the thrill of a miraculous comeback but it isn't as though you somehow owe the team something when they're sucking.

I mean, this isn't life or death for fans ... it's entertainment (theoretically anyhow). And what exactly is "entertaining" about watching your team stink up the joint & get the hell beat out of them? I'm a Georgia Tech fan for Chrissakes, I know a little about that situation ;)

[molson]

DT seems to relish shitting on his teams constantly, so when he's wrong I think he's due it.

I believe he did actually "officially" give up on the Patriots when Wilfork got injured if not earlier, so he may have just viewed this as some kind of consolation game.

Ya, lots of people lapse into casual fandom, which is fine and good, but the charm and amusing thing here, is as you say, the "relish" he takes in it - for someone who isn't much of a fan of these teams anymore, he still is passionate about shitting on them. "FUCK THESE FUCKTARDS, DAMN IT, FML - by the way, I'm a super casual fan". It's kind of like a caricature of the stereotypical Boston fan who takes so much more glee in being angry about sports than in getting any enjoyment from them. Which actually can be kind of fun during games like last night's.

[jeff061]

I'd say this discussion is more of an indictment on Bucc's character than DT's.

I've stop watching more than a few of my teams games when they weren't playing as bad as the Pats did that first half. I probably would have stepped away yesterday if I wasn't at the game.

No clue why I'm not supposed to say that out loud?

[Alan T]

I'm a Georgia Tech fan for Chrissakes, I know a little about that situation ;)


I think you and I probably have mostly all similar teams. From what I remember of your following at least. I don't think either of us picked very well. Falcons, Braves (kinda, even though I seem to watch baseball far less these days than a decade ago), Georgia Tech, and have always followed University of Tennessee (both of my parents graduated from there).


I have to say that I pretty regularly turn off games out of frustration from my teams :) So I don't blame DT for it at all, though I do still get chuckles sometimes thinking about how he gave up on the Red Sox before the season started this year.

[molson]

though I do still get chuckles sometimes thinking about how he gave up on the Red Sox before the season started this year.

It even works in reverse - he gave up on the Celtics being lottery-bad this year after they won three games in early November.

[DaddyTorgo]

DT seems to relish shitting on his teams constantly, so when he's wrong I think he's due it.

Like Lathum said, when I'm wrong I'm happy to take it (hell, I'd argue that's part of my "persona" here), but there's a line of what's reasonable ribbing.

Like Jon said - it's not life or death, it's entertainment. We don't owe the team our eyeballs even when they suck - hell in this day and age of free agency the players don't even stick around when the team sucks. If you guys feel you owe it to them then, or you don't have anything else to do with your time, that's great. I'm different.

FWIW - I still have it sitting on my DVR, suitably extended for OT, so I can go home tonight and watch.

[ISiddiqui]

There are plenty of fans of teams who seem to 'relish' in shitting on their teams. That doesn't make them LESS of fans - I see it more as a defense mechanism. The hurts have hurt so much that shitting on your own team prepares yourself in case they disappoint.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Yeah Boston has had a lot of hurt these last 12 years so I get it

[jeff061]

Yeah Boston has had a lot of hurt these last 12 years so I get it

Sometimes, when we don't win a championship, it makes me want to cut.

[molson]

I gave up on the Patriots last night enough to start fast forwarding on the DVR, but then I accidentally saw something on the front page of reddit - a reference to Bill Belichick and a photo of Randy Marsh and his giant balls. So I figured, I don't know exactly what happened, but Belichick must have done something awesome at some point. So I slowed down the fast forward enough to see most plays, and definitely thought for a second that he was going for it on 4th down from his own 40 near the end of regulation. I should have saw the wind thing coming.

I'd say the most fun times to be a sports fan are when you're team surprises, either with a comeback, or with an unexpected successful season like the '13 Red Sox. That's much more fun to me than going into the playoffs at 16-0 and having to win every game to avoid epic disappointment.

[DaddyTorgo]

I believe he did actually "officially" give up on the Patriots when Wilfork got injured if not earlier, so he may have just viewed this as some kind of consolation game.

Ya, lots of people lapse into casual fandom, which is fine and good, but the charm and amusing thing here, is as you say, the "relish" he takes in it - for someone who isn't much of a fan of these teams anymore, he still is passionate about shitting on them. "FUCK THESE FUCKTARDS, DAMN IT, FML - by the way, I'm a super casual fan". It's kind of like a caricature of the stereotypical Boston fan who takes so much more glee in being angry about sports than in getting any enjoyment from them. Which actually can be kind of fun during games like last night's.

I'm posting on a sports message board created for a spreadsheet-style football game that hasn't been updated since 2007. So I suppose I view myself as "super casual" in regard to some of you guys (in that I don't play fantasy, don't follow college FB at all, I couldn't tell you how any of the other teams in the league are doing this year record-wise, couldn't tell you what players are leading in various statistical categories, etc). Doesn't mean I don't want "my teams" to win on game day. So yeah, if they play sloppy fundamentally I'll shit on them. If they get beat straight-up you won't see me in here shitting on their every move and turning the game off, but if they make boneheaded plays, I'm going to get irritated and find something better to do. My time is too valuable to me to sit and watch grown-ass men who are getting PAID TO PLAY A GAME fail to execute the basics.

You should see me sitting in my place alone yelling at my TV during a soccer game if Juventus is tied/losing. It makes what I post in here seem tame. And then I will sit there until the bitter end.

[Kodos]

I have to say that I pretty regularly turn off games out of frustration from my teams :) So I don't blame DT for it at all, though I do still get chuckles sometimes thinking about how he gave up on the Red Sox before the season started this year.

I watched all of the IU-Ohio State and IU-Wisconsin games these last two weekends. Although I did start using the skip 10 seconds forward button a lot...

[DaddyTorgo]

There are plenty of fans of teams who seem to 'relish' in shitting on their teams. That doesn't make them LESS of fans - I see it more as a defense mechanism. The hurts have hurt so much that shitting on your own team prepares yourself in case they disappoint.

Indeed - and if you knew me personally you'd also know that I spent years and years with HUGE walls up in my personal life to avoid being hurt. I didn't let ANYBODY in. In fact, I think they're still there to some degree...being hurt is probably my #1 fear in life, so it's probably no surprise that this defense mechanism carries over to the way I watch sports.

It also carries over into my business - of the two of us partners, I'm definitely the pessimist.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

That's also my schtick too though right? And then you can all point and scold me for not being a believer when they pull out a last-second victory. And you know what - I hope that's the way it plays out and I'd gladly take all the ribbing it if it does. If that's what it takes!

You said you'd just take it ;)

Didn't even realize this conversation happened earlier in the thread

[DaddyTorgo]

You said you'd just take it ;)

Didn't even realize this conversation happened earlier in the thread

I do take it - I've got no problem with that. If that's what it takes (superstition-wise) to get them the win, then I'm all for it. :)

I was responding more to the general discussion that has been ongoing.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

No I know I just didn't realize this ground had been covered - trying to subtly sneak off the pile

[DaddyTorgo]

No I know I just didn't realize this ground had been covered - trying to subtly sneak off the pile

It's cool ;) I'm good-natured about it - you can stay on the pile. I just figured I'd engage in the broader discussion.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

You should listen to Felger and Mazz I think you'd like them.

[Julio Riddols]

The AFC seems pretty wide open right now.

[Desnudo]

Why not? Some stuff isn't worth watching, and that first half would definitely qualify if you're a Pats fan. You bail out then you risk the thrill of a miraculous comeback but it isn't as though you somehow owe the team something when they're sucking.

I mean, this isn't life or death for fans ... it's entertainment (theoretically anyhow). And what exactly is "entertaining" about watching your team stink up the joint & get the hell beat out of them? I'm a Georgia Tech fan for Chrissakes, I know a little about that situation ;)

I stopped watching after 24-0. I'm too old to care. Actually I would have stopped watching when I was younger. As I imagine 3/4 Of Patriots fans did. Or any other fan base for that matter.

I got to watch 3 Shows with my wife and still watch the comeback thanks to the beauty of DVR. I'm not sure where the "must watch every minute of a terrible game" mentality comes from. Maybe in the era before the NFL ran five minute commercial breaks after every punt.

[Butter]

I will routinely bail on out-of-hand Bengals games in order to watch Red Zone. I figure if they start coming back, I will be the first to know. I think the only game this year I had to abandon wholesale was that abomination @ the Browns.

[Radii]

Since we're all having the conversation here... I assume we've all gotten frustrated with our teams, we've all stopped watching or fastforwarded through games, we've all claimed "fuck this, I'm done" but we don't really mean it, and maybe we've done so publicly, none of those things are a big deal.

DT frequently goes a step beyond that, he likes to go out of his way to brag about how he's not even watching something from the start because its not worth his precious time. It combines a couple big pet peeves of mine: 1) showing up in a thread you have no interest in to proclaim your lack of interest, which really only serves to shit on the folks in that thread who are interested (non soccer fans in the soccer thread talking about how much soccer sucks is the prime example of this I think). 2) Going out of your way to declare how something is beneath you and your valuable time, which inevitably comes across as implying that everyone else here is also beneath you for being so stupid as to waste their time on this shit.

I am 100% sure DT doesn't intend any of that, but it is how it comes across to me nearly every single time.

[TRO]

Since we're all having the conversation here... I assume we've all gotten frustrated with our teams, we've all stopped watching or fastforwarded through games, we've all claimed "fuck this, I'm done" but we don't really mean it, and maybe we've done so publicly, none of those things are a big deal.

DT frequently goes a step beyond that, he likes to go out of his way to brag about how he's not even watching something from the start because its not worth his precious time. It combines a couple big pet peeves of mine: 1) showing up in a thread you have no interest in to proclaim your lack of interest, which really only serves to shit on the folks in that thread who are interested (non soccer fans in the soccer thread talking about how much soccer sucks is the prime example of this I think). 2) Going out of your way to declare how something is beneath you and your valuable time, which inevitably comes across as implying that everyone else here is also beneath you for being so stupid as to waste their time on this shit.

I am 100% sure DT doesn't intend any of that, but it is how it comes across to me nearly every single time.

I'm not even going to bother reading this.

[DaddyTorgo]

1) I wouldn't say I frequently don't say I'm watching from the start re: individual games.

Not like I go into the NBA thread every night and say "nope, not watching the Celtics tonight - they suck." More like I go in there before the season starts and go "nope, not gonna watch this year." Or I go in after particular games and grumble about how they're not losing enough ;) .

Even last night - I turned the game on...I watched until the sack/fumble and the ensuing Broncos TD and then said "Okay no more." It all just happened so quick it seemed like I wasn't watching from the start I suppose ;) .

2) I might judge it to be beneath me and my time, but that shouldn't imply that I think other people's time is less valuable or they're making stupid choices with it.

We all have a finite amount of time in the day/in our lives. I don't claim to sit in judgement of how anybody else spends their time, just as I don't expect them to sit in judgement of me. Different people derive enjoyment from different things, which is fine.

Some people take enjoyment from fantasy football clearly - I don't. Some people take enjoyment from March Madness pools - I don't. I don't think that makes me better or worse than those people, or means that I'm smarter or their stupider or whatever. It's just different people finding enjoyment in different ways.

It's like how some people like salt on their eggs and some people like pepper. One isn't better than the other - they're just "right" for different people.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Meh, I'm not sure why we're even having this discussion. I'm the type of fan that watches to the bitter end even if my team is blowing someone out or getting blown out. That's the way I work. But everyone knows I'm passionate about my teams.

DT is just as passionate to the point where he gets frustrated. Everyone handles it differently and that doesn't make them a better or worse fan. Each person handles it differently.

[DaddyTorgo]

Are we in bizarro-world?? Jon + MBBF understand where I'm coming from?

;)

[Kodos]

I'm not even going to bother reading this.

Nicely played. :D

[molson]

Nobody expects everyone to be a superfan and watch every play. I would bet that the people who actually do that make up a tiny minority of the current posters here. That's not what people are responding to at all. It's just an amusing quirk of one of our long-time posters that separates him from the rest.

Edit: Who was the poster that declared a Packers playoff game over after they fumbled on the opening drive? It was funny, and maybe a little irritating, but mostly funny.

[Lathum]

Nobody expects everyone to be a superfan and watch every play. I would bet that the people who actually do that make up a tiny minority of the current posters here. That's not what people are responding to at all. It's just an amusing quirk of one of our long-time posters that separates him from the rest.

Edit: Who was the poster that declared a Packers playoff game over after they fumbled on the opening drive? It was funny, and maybe a little irritating, but mostly funny.

Jas Lov after Ryan Grant fumbled. '07 I beieve

[larrymcg421]

Nobody expects everyone to be a superfan and watch every play. I would bet that the people who actually do that make up a tiny minority of the current posters here. That's not what people are responding to at all. It's just an amusing quirk of one of our long-time posters that separates him from the rest.

Edit: Who was the poster that declared a Packers playoff game over after they fumbled on the opening drive? It was funny, and maybe a little irritating, but mostly funny.

There are lots of great examples of people doing this. One of my favorite is from the 2007 BCS Championship game. After Ohio State's Ted Ginn returned the opening kickoff for a TD, lots of people were saying "Game." and predicting scores like "51-0". After the opening kickoff! Florida of course went on to win.

BCS Championship Game discussion thread - Front Office Football Central (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?t=55936)

An offshoot of this is the tendency for people to treat Week 1 and 2 of the NFL season as gospel, assuming that everything that happens is going to continue to happen all season long. Going through the week 1 or week 2 NFL threads from past seasons can be really amusing.

[Kodos]

Philly was going to tear it up this season!

[Kodos]

As a Big 10 fan, I have to say that the Big 10 was just not all that great this year. Give IU a few years to rise to prominence with the spread offense of Terry Hoeppner. :)

Glad to see Ohio get smacked around on national television, even if it was a team like Florida that I loathe.

Ouch.

[Desnudo]

Jas Lov after Ryan Grant fumbled. '07 I beieve

I'm not sure whether remembering that is impressive, sad, both, or neither.

[cuervo72]

Philly was going to tear it up this season!

Well, *I* certainly didn't believe that.


Part of the eye rolls with DT is the team he's dealing with. If Cleveland gets behind 24-0, or Buffalo, or Oakland...yeah. We can accept someone shutting off the tv in disgust because it has happened to those teams time and time again, and those teams are pretty much finished when they are down by that much*. Or even half that much.

But the Patriots? Come on. They showed Brady's record, and it was something like 143-42. 100 games over .500. WHICH NOBODY HAS EVER DONE. So DT is going nuclear over a team that damn near never loses. In a city WHERE EVERY TEAM WINS FRIGGIN TITLES. So yeah, the rest of us roll our eyes at a reaction to something that virtually every other fan base has to deal with (I mean really, the Eagles have been better than most the past 20 years, and they still shit the bed with regularity). So it's like ugh, enough with the fucking drama.


* Frank Reich, you are excepted.

[Sun Tzu]

G-MEN!

[Kodos]

Well, *I* certainly didn't believe that.


Part of the eye rolls with DT is the team he's dealing with. If Cleveland gets behind 24-0, or Buffalo, or Oakland...yeah. We can accept someone shutting off the tv in disgust because it has happened to those teams time and time again, and those teams are pretty much finished when they are down by that much*. Or even half that much.

But the Patriots? Come on. They showed Brady's record, and it was something like 143-42. 100 games over .500. WHICH NOBODY HAS EVER DONE. So DT is going nuclear over a team that damn near never loses. In a city WHERE EVERY TEAM WINS FRIGGIN TITLES. So yeah, the rest of us roll our eyes at a reaction to something that virtually every other fan base has to deal with (I mean really, the Eagles have been better than most the past 20 years, and they still shit the bed with regularity). So it's like ugh, enough with the fucking drama.


* Frank Reich, you are excepted.

I understand. I have been a diehard IU football fan for 25 years. Rarely any rays of hope. Yet every season, I foolishly dare to believe this year might be different. And I rarely ever spare myself from watching the whole game.

[Thomkal]

Bummer, if Carolina had lost and my beloved Cards win today, I think they would have the wild card spot from Carolina. Which is just bizarre given how the Cards have played at times this season.


Was looking at the updated playoff seeds today, and at least until SF wins tonight, my beloved Cards are in a wild card slot. So Go Redskins! :)

fairly brutal schedule remaining for the Cards though-they play at Philly this week-who are also battling for a playoff spot, then still have the three NFC West teams to play again, and right now they are riding a six game losing streak in the division. Tennessee might be the only "easy" game left for them and that's on the road.

[Lathum]

I'm not sure whether remembering that is impressive, sad, both, or neither.

I had the same thought right after I posted it

[RedKingGold]

God, the 49ers offense sucks.

[kingfc22]

Not sure why they can't drive like that more often. Frustrating.

[claphamsa]

ok... so the foreskins running out a couple code talkers just made me wanna barf! fuck you snyder you racist fuck

[JPhillips]

Nice Aldon Smith kick to the nuts.

[Thomkal]

Nice Aldon Smith kick to the nuts.

Yeah saw that, should have been a penalty-looked pretty blatant but just saw it the one time.

[JAG]

I'm not sure whether remembering that is impressive, sad, both, or neither.

I remember because it was hilarious. I think the running back actually fumbled twice at the start of the game, then ended up running for 100 yards and 1-3 TDs (obviously back in the days before benching running backs for fumbles).

[Dutch]

ok... so the foreskins running out a couple code talkers just made me wanna barf! fuck you snyder you racist fuck

Get em, Whitey!

[Vince, Pt. II]

I wish all NFL defenses were as bad as the Redskins. Then the 49ers offense would look competent.

[BishopMVP]

I was kind of cheating because we always planned to have the UMass game on the real TV, so we could see the Patriots start to comeback before that ended, but I would never turn off a Patriots team with Brady/Belichick.Including the playoffs, the Patriots have gone 57 consecutive games where they either had a lead/tie in the fourth quarter (or overtime) or trailed by one score (1-8 points) in the fourth quarter. Consider it the "no blowouts" streak, since they were technically one score away from their opponent late in the game.
That's one of the longest streaks in the Super Bowl era. The only longer documented streaks belong to Mike McCarthy's 2008-12 Green Bay Packers -- they went 69 games from 2008 until a 38-10 loss at the Giants last season -- and the 1988-92 San Francisco 49ers (63 games).

[Vince, Pt. II]

Yeah saw that, should have been a penalty-looked pretty blatant but just saw it the one time.

I'm a 49er fan (fair warning), but it seemed pretty obvious to me that it was happenstance. He leaped to try to block the pass and after leaving the ground was shoved backward. Didn't seem to be any malicious intent.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Good news for the Chiefs. Hali will be playing on Sunday. But Houston likely out for the Broncos game. At least we have one all-pro pass rusher because we were dead in the water without both of them.

[Logan]

I'm a 49er fan (fair warning), but it seemed pretty obvious to me that it was happenstance. He leaped to try to block the pass and after leaving the ground was shoved backward. Didn't seem to be any malicious intent.

And as he went backward, he ran into a Skins OL who was being pushed back, and his leg went up as he hit him.

[JPhillips]

I'm a 49er fan (fair warning), but it seemed pretty obvious to me that it was happenstance. He leaped to try to block the pass and after leaving the ground was shoved backward. Didn't seem to be any malicious intent.

I don't think he meant to kick him in the nuts, but he clearly made a kicking motion.

[Thomkal]

I don't think he meant to kick him in the nuts, but he clearly made a kicking motion.

I think he might have actually been trying to trip him there at the end because he was kicking forward, but the contact with the lineman might have caused his foot to go higher than expected? Someone set me up with a link so we can settle this important debate :D

[Thomkal]

Sorry if this was posted already, but apparently there is a drug problem in Seattle:

Suspensions ruining a big week for Seattle Seahawks - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/2256/suspensions-ruining-a-big-week-for-seattle)

Just glad this all happened before my beloved Cards go to Seattle in a couple weeks :)

[Travis]

Sad part is, from what was reported yesterday, they both got busted for weed.

Stupid and selfish, and on Browner's part, could be his ticket out of the league. Both guys are free agents after this season and Browner will be 30 before the start of next season. Hard to imagine many teams taking a chance on him if he ends up suspended for a year.

On the plus side, CB is probably the deepest position group on the team so performance wise, they've got a good shot at carrying on at a high (no pun intended) level without these two.

[SnowMan]

Browner wasn't going to play anyways, he's got a bad hammy. Thurmond is a loss, but as Travis said, CB might be the deepest spot on the team. It sucks, but it's not going to derail the team, imo. Except for the Saints who can make it a game, I don't see anyone coming onto Seattle and winning. The road games at SF and NYG might be another story, depending if the Giants have given up by then.

[miked]

Maybe they'll appeal and say they needed it for their AHDH, or whatever football players are claiming they take ritalin and adderall for.

[Lathum]

Everyone in Settle smokes pot in Seattle so they probably thought they were ok

[Suicane75]

Everyone in Settle smokes pot in Seattle so they probably thought they were ok

Are you smoking pot right now? :)

[Lathum]

Are you smoking pot right now? :)

haha

I just read that and was like, WTF?

Thats what I get for trying to type a quick response at work