Something rotten in Toonsville GAME OVER

[britrock88]

Is this... a WW game? The beginning of a discussion?

...It is! Things are starting to happen! I could put on my detective cap, even!

[britrock88]

I say... maybe it would make sense to have both "Fix Portal" and our lynch target be 2 votes clear, to prevent any shenanigans.

[britrock88]

That's it for now. Exit, stage left!

[JAG]

I like Chief's reasoning for the Zinto vote in that for a D1 play it did get some discussion going. And Lord we needed that. I don't think one can jump to the conclusion he's good based off that though. For all we know he had every intention of coming back and changing it (providing this same reasoning) and then he got stuck at work or got a flat tire or whatever.

Thinking about it more, I will admit it would be a bold opening vote for a wolf though, probably not something that a saboteur would be likely to do rather than hide and screw things up from the shadows. There is no specific saboteur role listed though, so maybe any wolf could screw things up? I don't know, we don't really have info about how things are working off-screen.

[JAG]

Tie votes: In the extremely rare event of a tie (extremely rare I say); a random selection between the players that are tied will occur AND the following - if all players have voted the last player to vote will be killed off, if not all players have voted than any player who didn't vote will be killed off.

I remember Zinto saying something about a bloodbath yesterday, I didn't catch the tie rule there, so I'm making sure we're all aware we really really can't tie. There are currently 6 missing votes and the saboteur gets a bonus vote today.

[JAG]

Election Day

Other news has been discovered. The engineer is working on the portal and there is a missing part which has not been accounted for. If it had been found the portal would have been restored night 0 but that has pushed the ETA back to the Day 1 deadline.


All important decisions related to Day 0 have been made.

This sequence makes me wonder if a wolf was given a portal part and threw it away or deliberately gave it to another wolf or something. Or it could've been a bad die roll and that's what EF meant. Could be evidence we started with wolves. I guess the fact that the portal was sabotaged is evidence at least one wolf was present before the end of D1.

[JAG]

Added the last paragraph to the Election notice. Forgot to mention that initially but it is an important piece of information.

The paragraph he's referencing is the one I just pulled.

[JAG]

Okay caught up. Haven't really paid attention to the votes much yet, I'm more curious about the rule set.

#1 - what do we think the Doctor and Nurse do? Sherrif seems obvious, but Nurse and Doctor don't necessarily sound anything like seers. Perhaps can revive a lynched/killed toon, but not sure.

#2 - I wonder if the Mayor will be elected the same way every day?

#3 - I was thinking fixing the portal would be the endgame but it sounds like something that could happen sooner than later. What will be the impact of access to the Tube do we think?

Re: #3, I'm wondering if it might be related to allowing us seer scanning since there's no obvious role listed that would provide that. Access to The Tube might let someone watch another player or something like that.

I haven't provided a lot of thoughts on others because I haven't seen anything that jumps out at me at the moment.

[JAG]

Sextuple-dola, that's hot.

[Coffee Warlord]

Really, we need a couple people dead, or something otherwise amusing to happen for some serious analysis.

[Coffee Warlord]

Until then, all we can really do is make sure we get the voting numbers right for Portal + 1 Person tonight.

[Autumn]

Coffee is volunteering to be killed everyone.

[EagleFan]

As of post 261

Fix Portal 3 - The Jackal (182), britrock88 (185), murrayyyyy (195)
Chief Rum 2 - Autumn (198), mauchow (225)
saldana 2 - Zinto (209), Coffee Warlord (247)
The Jackal 1 - JAG (191)
Autumn 1 - Chief Rum (214)

[Coffee Warlord]

Coffee is volunteering to be killed everyone.

You can't kill Captain Planet! He's our hero! He's gonna take pollution down to zero!

[Zinto]

I will be in and out until deadline, just so you know where your mayor is.

[britrock88]

This sequence makes me wonder if a wolf was given a portal part and threw it away or deliberately gave it to another wolf or something. Or it could've been a bad die roll and that's what EF meant. Could be evidence we started with wolves. I guess the fact that the portal was sabotaged is evidence at least one wolf was present before the end of D1.

Wait a second! I feel like this is something that's happened before in an EF WW game! Maybe to me, even!

I do actually think I got an item in a previous WW game, perhaps one of EF's, and had the option to pass it before the game. I was a good in that game, FWIW.

(I kind of want to go back and edit Snagglepuss posts to pink text now, but the rules seem to discourage that... :) )

[britrock88]

Nine voters out of 15 players!? Four hours before deadline!? Heavens to Murgatroyd!

[Suicane75]

Getting caught up. This game is making my hurt. I need an asphaltarin.

[Suicane75]

Vote: Saldana

Got no real reason, other than he isn't saying much of anything and I'd like to give the guys who are saying things more time.

[Suicane75]

But I'll be around all evening and am open to switching.

[Coffee Warlord]

He won't count that vote, Suicane. They need to be in a post without any other text. 'Cause EF's a dick like that.

[Coffee Warlord]

:)

[Suicane75]

My bad

[Suicane75]

Vote: Saldana

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE FIX PORTAL

[Coffee Warlord]

4 portal, two players tied at 3 apiece (discounting secret vote).

[britrock88]

In pretty good shape for tie-avoidance purposes.

[EagleFan]

As of post 277

Fix Portal 4 - The Jackal (182), britrock88 (185), murrayyyyy (195), DaddyTorgo (275)
saldana 3 - Zinto (209), Coffee Warlord (247), Suicane75 (274)
Chief Rum 2 - Autumn (198), mauchow (225)
The Jackal 1 - JAG (191)
Autumn 1 - Chief Rum (214)

[Chief Rum]

UNVOTE AUTUMN

VOTE SALDANA

[Chief Rum]

Self preservation of course.

I start work in 20 minutes (FWIW).

[Autumn]

Well nobody's giving us much to go on. I normally would be complaining not to vote out someone who hasn't shown up yet, as we might lose something important. But I think we've got too many quiet folks to really worry about that. I'd rather keep someone active like Chief, even if he turns out to be bad ;-)

[JAG]

Unvote Jackal
Fix Portal

[Coffee Warlord]

5 on the portal, 4 on saldana, cr sits at 2. Good shape right now, I think.

[EagleFan]

As of post 282

Fix Portal 5 - The Jackal (182), britrock88 (185), murrayyyyy (195), DaddyTorgo (275), JAG (282)
saldana 4 - Zinto (209), Coffee Warlord (247), Suicane75 (274), Chief Rum (279)
Chief Rum 2 - Autumn (198), mauchow (225)

[DaddyTorgo]

Makes sense.

[mauchow]

unvote chief
Vote fix portal

[mauchow]

Seems to be the move to ensure no goofiness..

[JAG]

Would be nice if Autumn / mau switched to sal so it's tougher to pull off shenanigans.

[JAG]

Nice timing.

[EagleFan]

As of post 289

Fix Portal 6 - The Jackal (182), britrock88 (185), murrayyyyy (195), DaddyTorgo (275), JAG (282), mauchow (286)
saldana 4 - Zinto (209), Coffee Warlord (247), Suicane75 (274), Chief Rum (279)
Chief Rum 1 - Autumn (198)


Yet to Vote: Schmidty, Danny

Marked for Death/Replacement (aka: MIA): saldana, claphamsa

[EagleFan]

deadline

[EagleFan]

The day has ended and a joyous celebration breaks out a the engineer has fixed the portal. Tomorrow will be a strong day for the town as you can return to The Tube to continue life as you knew it... though will it really be as you knew it?

You have voted for Wile E Coyote as the possible saboteur. It seems like an easy decision, after fixing the portal that is. But where is he? Where is that sneaky coyote?

The search begins. In the process you also wonder where Hello Kitty is? You have already voted Hello Kitty to be the coolest in the town but is nowhere around and thus can't be crowned. You call out to Hello Kitty and await a response but there is not a sound, Hello Kitty cannot be found. Search around the town, where joy abounds, maybe over that mound, no... not to be found; though you do find a strange fox wearing sox while eating eggs and ham that appear to be green...

Then you see a sight that you may never erase from your collective mind. You see a coyote and a kitty locked a passionate embrace yet they are not moving. They seemed to be so consumed by their love for each other that they forgot to eat or drink and both have perished.

You pause for a moment of silence...

Hulk Smash?

No green guy, nothing to smash...

hulk smash...

Oh, you are sad green guy. You must have cared for Hello Kitty?

HULK SMASH!

Oh, it was the coyote who you miss.

hulk smash... (sob)

Time has come for the night to begin....

(to be continued)

[EagleFan]

You wake up the next morning and have not lost another citizen of your town. The portal is still working and you will continue to The Tube today.

While in The Tube a random citizen will be given a second vote, one that they may make via PM. That person will receive a PM telling them of their ability for Day 3 and how they may perform that action.

The Tube buzzes to life as everyone steps into their "day jobs" and life continues.

[EagleFan]

Day 2 Summary

saldana - vanilla villager, voted out
claphamsa - The Sherrif, removed from the game; had scan abilities


Night 2 Summary

No loss of players in the game.


Day 3 Decisions

1) Vote someone out
2) Guard the portal (would require the most votes and would be the only action taken in the game)
3) Elect Sherriff (would remove the nurse role)

Voting out would be a normal vote (vote EagleFan).
Voting to Guard Portal would be just like Fix Portal but without the secondary vote getter counting.
To elect a sherriff replace vote with elect and the name of the person that you are voting for as sherriff.

[Coffee Warlord]

We lost our seer due to idleness. Lovely.

[JAG]

Crap.

EF, is it possible to elect a sheriff and vote someone out or is it just the highest vote getter like the guard portal / vote person option?

[EagleFan]

Crap.

EF, is it possible to elect a sheriff and vote someone out or is it just the highest vote getter like the guard portal / vote person option?

Just one option this time. Highest vote wins it. Tie conditions still exist.

[JAG]

Ok then. This is an interesting decision. If the Nurse feels their role is not that valuable, then it might be worth them giving us that information. If it is valuable, then say nothing and we can use that data point in our choice today. The citizen who won the Portal power also might have an idea if keeping the portal safe is worth voting no lynch (it would have to be pretty useful I'd think).

[murrayyyyy]

Wouldn't a public election of a sheriff put a bullseye on his/her back by the wolves? Not sure if that is worth the nurse reveal since it would make both of them public. (unless the nurse is inactive also)

[Danny]

vote daddy torgo

Getting one it now. Just got home after 14 hours at work without a break. Another lomg day tomorrow most likely

[JAG]

That vote won't count Danny, needs to be in a separate post.

Wouldn't a public election of a sheriff put a bullseye on his/her back by the wolves? Not sure if that is worth the nurse reveal since it would make both of them public. (unless the nurse is inactive also)

Sure, but as long as the Nurse's ability isn't a BG-like one, then the new Sheriff should be able to be protected. Because they're public, we can also immediately begin using their scans. The downside of course is the Nurse might have a useful role and we can't guarantee the person we make Sheriff is cleared (unless we make the Nurse the Sheriff).

I don't know, I'm not saying it's a clearly great move, but it should be considered. It's going to be difficult to clear or condemn people based on posts because there aren't that many or votes because this isn't a typical game for voting record with non-standard voting options available, so having someone that can scan would be pretty valuable. Guarding the portal might be better too for all we know.

One other thing I gleamed from the rules, the object of the game is to win. Note that it doesn't say 'Villagers must eliminate all wolves, wolves need to get a 1:1 ratio with villagers'. I'm sure getting rid of wolves will help us, but there might be a nonstandard way to win as well.

[Coffee Warlord]

So, do we just have the greatest bodyguard in the history of WW, or have there been no night kills thus far?

[Coffee Warlord]

My pre-coffee thought says it's probably better for us today to either guard the portal or elect a sheriff. Lynching someone is very nearly the equivalent of another day 1 vote right now, and if the wolves aren't going to get a night kill in, let's not do their job for them.

[DaddyTorgo]

Fuck you clap.

[JAG]

My pre-coffee thought says it's probably better for us today to either guard the portal or elect a sheriff. Lynching someone is very nearly the equivalent of another day 1 vote right now, and if the wolves aren't going to get a night kill in, let's not do their job for them.

That's going a bit far, we do have some voting info now and know clap and sal were villagers. Hopefully someone has time to put together a record.

[britrock88]

Ok then. This is an interesting decision. If the Nurse feels their role is not that valuable, then it might be worth them giving us that information. If it is valuable, then say nothing and we can use that data point in our choice today. The citizen who won the Portal power also might have an idea if keeping the portal safe is worth voting no lynch (it would have to be pretty useful I'd think).

And would it be advisable to promote the nurse to sheriff? Assuming we sort out any claim war for nurse, we'd have a known good as sheriff. Then again, there are few things more valuable in the late game than a known good vanilla--trusted by the group, unattractive for purposes of NKs.

[The Jackal]

So we started out with 15, probably a 12-3 split, or perhaps an 11-3-1 with the outlaw not knowing if they would count for the village or not. Let's assume best case we're at 10-3 now. NKs are going to happen sooner or later, but having a seer is always a good idea. If the sheriff wasn't the BG, presumably there's a role (guessing doctor, with the savior language) that would be able to protect someone we elected - though it would require them to be checking the thread...

Though we also have to consider that the nurse could be the BG - it'd be a bitch to sacrifice the BG to raise a known seer, and I kind of doubt that mechanism would happen. Which is why I lean towards thinking the nurse isn't a BG.

Unless someone comes out with a revelation I'd say it's a smarter play to fix the portal or elect a sheriff than vote someone out based on gut/couple of days of vote history.

[britrock88]

So, do we just have the greatest bodyguard in the history of WW, or have there been no night kills thus far?

My guess is that our group of saboteur(s) is less powerful than a standard pack of werewolves... at least at this point.

[britrock88]

So we started out with 15, probably a 12-3 split, or perhaps an 11-3-1 with the outlaw not knowing if they would count for the village or not. Let's assume best case we're at 10-3 now. NKs are going to happen sooner or later, but having a seer is always a good idea. If the sheriff wasn't the BG, presumably there's a role (guessing doctor, with the savior language) that would be able to protect someone we elected - though it would require them to be checking the thread...

Though we also have to consider that the nurse could be the BG - it'd be a bitch to sacrifice the BG to raise a known seer, and I kind of doubt that mechanism would happen. Which is why I lean towards thinking the nurse isn't a BG.

Unless someone comes out with a revelation I'd say it's a smarter play to fix the portal or elect a sheriff than vote someone out based on gut/couple of days of vote history.

Disagree with the proposed ratios. Seems like the saboteur set would be starting small and perhaps growing or gaining power with time. Just my own hunch, though.

Agree with your second pph. I think the nurse might be a doctor-in-waiting, or a wound-treater (wild guess). Doctor seems like a likely BG, so exchanging the nurse for a sheriff would be okay by me. Just have to hope the doctor isn't a martyr instead of a BG.

As for today's vote, I'm fairly agnostic as to what to do.

[The Jackal]

And when I say fix the portal, I mean guard the portal, of course

[The Jackal]

Disagree with the proposed ratios. Seems like the saboteur set would be starting small and perhaps growing or gaining power with time. Just my own hunch, though.

Well, if we're assuming that the saboteur group wasn't set in stone to begin with and can grow, it'll definitely be hard to nail down exact ratio. I guess we don't have to worry about it for a couple of days anyhow, especially if we end up not voting people off.

[The Jackal]

My guess is that our group of saboteur(s) is less powerful than a standard pack of werewolves... at least at this point.

However if you're right about this, we might want to be careful if we have a choice to not vote someone off every day. I could see choosing not to vote someone off as a necessity for a conversion attempt to happen.

[The Jackal]

If I were to vote someone today, it would probably be mau, DT, or someone who's barely posted - mau for that vote on CR with never explaining it (unless I missed it), and DT for no great reason other than a feeling.

I'll potentially re-adjust that if someone has time to put together vote history (unfortunately I don't right now.. maybe in the afternoon though)

[Autumn]

Lot to sort through here.

I think it's clear we're not dealing with blocked kills, but with a non-standard bad guy set up. I think it's conceivable that there are no night kills at all in the game, or not as a standard nightly event. It sounds like victory probably means restoring things to the rightful order, and victory for the bad guys involves messing that up somehow. In this way this is probably more like the game where we had to build our spaceship and blast off, where the bad guys have the opportunity to screw with things every day.

[Autumn]

We're obviously given a hard vote, but considering what I'm imaging the rule set to be, I think our best bets are to guard the portal or elect a sheriff. I think we probably need to save lynches for when we have more sure information. But I would bet that if we don't guard the portal it will be sabotaged once again and we'll lose ground.

I like the idea of moving the nurse to a sheriff, and having a validated public seer for at least a little bit. Given that it costs us a role though, I'm not sure if it's worth it given that we'd probably be losing the portal again. So I'm leaning towards portal but am going to give it some thought.

[Coffee Warlord]

Lot to sort through here.

I think it's clear we're not dealing with blocked kills, but with a non-standard bad guy set up. I think it's conceivable that there are no night kills at all in the game, or not as a standard nightly event. It sounds like victory probably means restoring things to the rightful order, and victory for the bad guys involves messing that up somehow. In this way this is probably more like the game where we had to build our spaceship and blast off, where the bad guys have the opportunity to screw with things every day.

My problem with that logic is, if we're assuming one of the roles is a bodyguard esque role, that would pretty much require that there be something to guard against.

Of course, there's a middle ground of limited night kills, or something along those lines. Perhaps the GM nixed the night kill last night since he killed off our idle player (who happened to be seer, too).

[JAG]

Lot to sort through here.

I think it's clear we're not dealing with blocked kills, but with a non-standard bad guy set up. I think it's conceivable that there are no night kills at all in the game, or not as a standard nightly event. It sounds like victory probably means restoring things to the rightful order, and victory for the bad guys involves messing that up somehow. In this way this is probably more like the game where we had to build our spaceship and blast off, where the bad guys have the opportunity to screw with things every day.

You dare bring up Spawn...*twitch*

Looking at how EF wrote up the night events, I would be surprised if wolves don't have night kills. I'm sure we'll see them at some point. It may be that they have to make choices like we are (night kill or sabotage portal).

As to what happened yesterday, there are tons of possibilities. Blocked kill (BG or going after Zinto), kill removed due to extra clap kill, maybe they voted a wolf into a role or conversion...I don't think we can make much of an assumption with so many possibilities.

Yet another thought regarding the loss of the Nurse role...it could be that role hasn't been assigned yet, in which case it wouldn't be a net loss at all.

I have to give props to EF, this has been a thought-provoking game so far.

[Autumn]

Yeah, that's what I meant, and think I said--if the wolves have kills it's likely not a standard nightly event. It's something they get every other night, or more likely they have to choose between sabotage, kill, other options.

Either way, a seer role seems more important for sure than anything to do with a bodyguard type role, so I have no problem possibly converting a nurse to sheriff. Given that this may be a one-time chance to vote in a sheriff, and possibly a daily event to have to guard the portal, this might be the day to not guard it.

[Zinto]

I doubt that the saboteurs had a kill night one, since there was no lynch. I am leaning towards electing a sheriff but I am not sure who we should make the new sheriff.

[Zinto]

When the portal is up do we only get an extra vote? Do we think there is any other advantage to having the portal up?

[britrock88]

You dare bring up Spawn...*twitch*

:D

It seems plausible that he would transfer a NK into a modkill of an inactive player, IMO.

I would lean toward electing a sheriff today _IF_ we can find the right person (probably the nurse) to elevate to that position.

[The Jackal]

When the portal is up do we only get an extra vote? Do we think there is any other advantage to having the portal up?

I didn't even notice that someone got an extra vote until you said that. I wonder if 'random citizen' includes saboteurs.

[britrock88]

List of our inactives, FTR:

Schmidty - 2 posts
murrayyyyy - 7 posts
mauchow - 9 posts
Danny - 9 posts

[The Jackal]

Well, at least Danny has said he won't be around. Doesn't make reading him any easier.

[Coffee Warlord]

I didn't even realize Schmidty was in the game.

[Zinto]

I think he may have forgotten about the game. Unfortunately, that happens with Schmidty

[The Jackal]

Haven't played WW in forever, because I always have some crisis happen when I'm in a game. Or I forget I'm in a game.

:thumbsup:

[Coffee Warlord]

So if we assume the nurse is in the game, and it sounds like it's pretty much a given, I agree that's the only person who we should elect as sheriff. It would necessitate a role reveal, which isn't traditionally ideal, but unless the nurse has some badass powers, we'd get some good mileage of having a turn or two of a known seer vetting people.

We need to decide early today if we're going that route, though, as whoever is the nurse will have to out themselves.

[Coffee Warlord]

And really, working under the following assumptions:

1) The nurse is in the game.
2) The nurse is a villager.

It seems like it's a good trade for us. How often do you get a known seer who can vet at least a couple people before they inevitably die?

Obviously, if 1 or 2 is false, or if there's a conversion mechanic, it would be very very bad.

[Suicane75]

Vote: Guard Portal

[Chief Rum]

Perhaps we should set a deadline for the nurse to decide whether it is best to reveal or not? Let's say 5 p.m. EST/2 p.m. PDT?

If the nurse doesn't reveal, I don't see anyone else I am comfortable with as the Sheriff, and figure we should just go with the other options.

[Suicane75]

Ok, was just reading through everything so I don't ask a stupid question.What would the power of the role of a sheriff likely be?

[Coffee Warlord]

EF said it flat out. Sheriff == Seer.

[Suicane75]

Ok, so that means he can scan someone to see if they're good or evil?

[Suicane75]

Durp, ok saw it in the write up.

[The Jackal]

Ok, so that means he can scan someone to see if they're good or evil?

Correct

[The Jackal]

Perhaps we should set a deadline for the nurse to decide whether it is best to reveal or not? Let's say 5 p.m. EST/2 p.m. PDT?

If the nurse doesn't reveal, I don't see anyone else I am comfortable with as the Sheriff, and figure we should just go with the other options.

I think a deadline is probably a good idea.

[The Jackal]

guard portal

[The Jackal]

as a placeholder, admittedly I forgot to check back in last night. grilling porkchops gave me the itis

[Autumn]

Perhaps we should set a deadline for the nurse to decide whether it is best to reveal or not? Let's say 5 p.m. EST/2 p.m. PDT?

If the nurse doesn't reveal, I don't see anyone else I am comfortable with as the Sheriff, and figure we should just go with the other options.

I agree with this -- unless a nurse reveals, I don't see any reason to vote someone randomly as the sheriff. I will also wait, and if no one has revealed, vote to guard the portal.

[JAG]

Lets say we guard the portal, someone gets night killed, and we're presented with similar options tomorrow. Does that change your thinking on the course of action or are you ok with continuing to guard the portal? By guarding it, we would be banking on working portal worth more than the info we'd get from voting. At this point we know working portal = extra vote + some ability, broken portal = extra saboteur vote, assuming they would choose to break the portal rather than (presumably) make a night kill. So we vote for someone, they break the portal and get a two vote swing, then what? Fix it?

I don't know, we really have a lack of info to work out our optimal path. This day hasn't really been helpful at all in terms of figuring out what's going on and who our potential saboteurs are. If I get some free time in the evening I'll try to put together some info from the past two days so we can try to sort out the people who have been posting. I'm not going to spend more time speculating about unknown mechanics.

[Autumn]

I agree, that's the worry with guarding the portal. I am assuming that probably keeping the portal operational is going to be important, but that's just a hunch. If it's really only worth a two vote swing, I wouldn't bother. However, if the victory conditions hinge on the portal one way or another, then it's one of those things where we may have to stick to it for a few days and take losses.

[mauchow]

I assumd that the role would be handed out at random.. don't reveal role nurse.

[Autumn]

Also, it occurs to me that some people may not agree or have noticed, but I am assuming that our two deaths last night were due to Lovers roles. Which I think means that there are possibly roles not listed. Something to keep in mind.

[Coffee Warlord]

I doubt it, highly. 1 was lynched, the other was MIA.

[The Jackal]

I assumd that the role would be handed out at random.. don't reveal role nurse.

The sheriff role? The one that we have to vote a specific person into?

[Autumn]

Since when do players get killed for being MIA?

[Autumn]

Then you see a sight that you may never erase from your collective mind. You see a coyote and a kitty locked a passionate embrace yet they are not moving. They seemed to be so consumed by their love for each other that they forgot to eat or drink and both have perished.

Seemed obvious to me, but that's why I brought it up, I realized I hadn't heard anyone else say so.

[The Jackal]

Since when do players get killed for being MIA?

Yeah I wouldn't expect that to happen. Maybe it was a delayed kill since he won the lynch vote? Maybe a condition had to be fulfilled to avoid a death and clap didn't do it?

[The Jackal]

Seemed obvious to me, but that's why I brought it up, I realized I hadn't heard anyone else say so.

Yeah.. that sure sounds like lovers, good call.

[Autumn]

I think there is 0% chance EF removes our seer from the game just for being absent, and doesn't get a replacement.

The only alternative might be that for some reason our lynch from Day 1 was delayed in effect, but the writeup doesn't seem to support that.

[Coffee Warlord]

Ah, I didn't process that when I saw it last night.

[Zinto]

Nice catch Autumn. I wonder if each time the sheriff is removed if we will be able to get a new one.

[Coffee Warlord]

At the expense of having to waste a day on no-lynching/no-questing...that sounds rather reasonable.

[Chief Rum]

There seems to be an indication in the rules that being MIA can result in you being killed off.

I would think it is natural to have a leniency of one time allowed missing the vote, given how often we see people forget at the start for a day or have some real life issue pop up. So seeing MIA lynches on Day Two seems perfectly natural to me.

[Coffee Warlord]

Seeing as no one has revealed as nurse, I'll put a pending guard portal vote in for now.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote Guard Portal

[Chief Rum]

Did Elmer Fudd tell y'all to "verwee qui-yet", or something?

[Chief Rum]

VOTE GUARD PORTAL

[Danny]

vote guard post

[Danny]

STUPID RULE BTW :P

[Danny]

Didnt actually read anything, but saw a bunch of those. Im sorry for the super low activity. Its scholarship interviews yesterday and today

[murrayyyyy]

So guard portal has all the votes?

[murrayyyyy]

Okay, so question for the group since I'm not as experienced in playing. Is it possible that if we can elect the outlaw as sheriff by accident? I've never played a game where a person can have a 2nd role elected for. Would seem like hte easiest way for the outlaw to guard himself.

[murrayyyyy]

vote guard portal

[murrayyyyy]

putting in my vote above until someone tells me if it's a dumb theory about electing a sheriff. Didn't see anything saying that players can only have one role (since our mayor was elected with a 1st day action).

[Zinto]

Is it a consensus that we are guarding the portal? Are we waiting on a nightkill to vote out the next person?

[Zinto]

Okay, so question for the group since I'm not as experienced in playing. Is it possible that if we can elect the outlaw as sheriff by accident? I've never played a game where a person can have a 2nd role elected for. Would seem like hte easiest way for the outlaw to guard himself.


That is a good question. I would assume that would be the case but it would be pretty easy to eventually vote out a baddie who is the sheriff. Eventually he wouldn't be nightkilled and it wouldn't make sense.

[Zinto]

vote guard portal

[Coffee Warlord]

I'd honestly prefer the nurse outs themself and we elect them sheriff. HOWEVER, I fear it's too late in the day for it.

[Chief Rum]

Okay, so question for the group since I'm not as experienced in playing. Is it possible that if we can elect the outlaw as sheriff by accident? I've never played a game where a person can have a 2nd role elected for. Would seem like hte easiest way for the outlaw to guard himself.

That has actually been the going logic, and pretty much the reason we're not chooisng to elect a Sheriff today.

[mauchow]

I guess I didn't read it closely enough that we need to specify the role.

Well if its the way someone suggested as a possibility that we'd get a shot at getting a sheriff everyday I'd consider that route.

WWouldn't it be best to do a change towards the end of deadline so we can screw up the wolves a bit? I dunno.

[britrock88]

Caught up. In general agreement with the village's thinking.

[britrock88]

vote guard portal

[Suicane75]

I really wanted someone to out themselves as the nurse, just so I could say "Hellllloooooo Nurse".

That's probably a dumb reason though.

[Autumn]

I was thinking the same thing.

[Autumn]

<b>vote guard portal</b>

[DaddyTorgo]

VOTE GUARD PORTAL

[DaddyTorgo]

Sorry for the absence - was a busy day at work and I had to go to the gym afterwards and all.

Seems to be the common wisdom to guard the portal, although unfortunately it's going to leave us with not much of a vote history.

[EagleFan]

As of post 379

Guard Portal 10 - Suicane75 (330), The Jackal (338), Coffee Warlord (357), Chief Rum (359), Danny (360), murrayyyyy (365), Zinto (369), britrock88 (374), Autumn (377), DaddyTorgo (378)

Yet to vote: Schmidty, mauchow, JAG

[JAG]

Guard Portal

[JAG]

Vote Guard Portal

[EagleFan]

As of post 382

Guard Portal 11 - Suicane75 (330), The Jackal (338), Coffee Warlord (357), Chief Rum (359), Danny (360), murrayyyyy (365), Zinto (369), britrock88 (374), Autumn (377), DaddyTorgo (378), JAG (381)

Yet to vote: Schmidty, mauchow

[mauchow]

vote guard portal

[mauchow]

Not a whole lot of action, guys! I had a weird day, someone visited my office for the afternoon so i couldn't get on much.

[mauchow]

But I could get on Jessica! Ohh yeah! My head hurts. Anyone have an asspin?

[EagleFan]

As of post 386

Guard Portal 12 - Suicane75 (330), The Jackal (338), Coffee Warlord (357), Chief Rum (359), Danny (360), murrayyyyy (365), Zinto (369), britrock88 (374), Autumn (377), DaddyTorgo (378), JAG (381), mauchow (384)

Yet to vote/thinning ice: Schmidty

[EagleFan]

Deadline

[EagleFan]

Final Vote

Guard Portal 13 - Suicane75 (330), The Jackal (338), Coffee Warlord (357), Chief Rum (359), Danny (360), murrayyyyy (365), Zinto (369), britrock88 (374), Autumn (377), DaddyTorgo (378), JAG (381), mauchow (384), Additional Vote (---)

Yet to vote/thinning ice: Schmidty

[EagleFan]

The entire town...almost as their was a big green absence... stood on guard duty to protect the previous portal. That blessed beacon of getting you to work. That door to the 'other side' where nothing can hurt you... hopefully.

The portal has been protected you return home for the evening, back to Toonsville. Hoping to find that big green lug before it's too late for him and he gets downsized from his day job.

Nothing special happened during the day... well a few anvils fell, some rocks were crushed ina a quarry, the earth was saved, in trouble and saved again and of course a little rodent showed up to save the day.

Ome odd thing did happen as a roadrunner was speeding down a dusty highway, an anvil that was supposed to fall and miss him could not be found. No one knows if it was misplaced or if someone stole it.

Well, you can think about that tommorrow. You head back to Toonsville for the night....

(to be continued)

[EagleFan]

The morning comes around and you hear the comforting buzzing of the portal. You may return to The Tube again today!!! Hi Ho, Hi Ho... you know the rest (a story about a young lady living with a bunch of men, hi ho seems like a fitting greeting).

The town gathers and you notice that someone is missing. Where is that roid fueled barbarian? You find him sobbing silently in his house. He was given his walking papers... show cancelled. Without a place on The Tube there is nothing left for him... he fades away slowly.

He is no more.... pause for a moment of silence.... okay... off to work.

You have more choices to make today....

[EagleFan]

Day 3 Summary

Portal was Guarded.

Role of Sherriff has been downsized as there was no demand for it.

Possible theft of anvil, or misplacing of...


Night 3 Summary

JAG (Thundarr the Barbarian) has been eliminated from the game. He was a vanilla citizen.


Day 4 Decisions

Guard the Portal - Must win the vote to be guarded

Remove a Player (lynch vote)

Two random citizens will receive an extra vote

Thin ice will break of no change

[Coffee Warlord]

Sigh.

Nurse better be freakin' worth it.

[Suicane75]

Welp.

[Autumn]

Haven't had a chance to read results yet - but I'm off on a field trip with 2nd graders. Wish me well. I'll check in this afternoon.

[JAG]

Good luck village.

[britrock88]

Can we have JAG replace Schmidty?

[britrock88]

Did we know that promoting to sheriff was a one-time offer?

[saldana]

hey all, i am really sorry...i was traveling over the weekend and never set my laptop back up, totally forgetting about the game...glad my absence didnt hurt anything

[The Jackal]

Did we know that promoting to sheriff was a one-time offer?

I don't think there was any indication of that. Hopefully it will be like Autumn's Vegas games where the opportunity will come back at some point.

[Danny]

Any daily voting recaps?

[Coffee Warlord]

claphamsa 5 - mauchow (102), Zinto (141), DaddyTorgo (155), Coffee Warlord (160), britrock88 (171)
Chief Rum 3 - Autumn (134), The Jackal (138), JAG (151)
JAG 1 - Suicane75 (96)
Zinto 1 - Chief Rum (112)

Fix Portal 6 - The Jackal (182), britrock88 (185), murrayyyyy (195), DaddyTorgo (275), JAG (282), mauchow (286)
saldana 4 - Zinto (209), Coffee Warlord (247), Suicane75 (274), Chief Rum (279)
Chief Rum 1 - Autumn (198)

Not a particularly great subset.

[Coffee Warlord]

Adding in myself and Zinto just for personal observation. I know I'm good, I think Zinto is too.

claphamsa 5 - mauchow (102), Zinto (141), DaddyTorgo (155), Coffee Warlord (160), britrock88 (171)
Chief Rum 3 - Autumn (134), The Jackal (138), JAG (151)
JAG 1 - Suicane75 (96)
Zinto 1 - Chief Rum (112)

Fix Portal 6 - The Jackal (182), britrock88 (185), murrayyyyy (195), DaddyTorgo (275), JAG (282), mauchow (286)
saldana 4 - Zinto (209), Coffee Warlord (247), Suicane75 (274), Chief Rum (279)
Chief Rum 1 - Autumn (198)

[Coffee Warlord]

Brit, Jackal, and DT maybe?

[The Jackal]

I'm still leaning towards mau and DT

[The Jackal]

I'm wondering if the effect of guarding the portal is cumulative, in other words the more days we keep it intact the better our bonuses get. Seems like that might be worth thinking about - but we can't avoid lynching forever.

[mauchow]

Just a gut feeling on zinto, CW?

[Coffee Warlord]

Totally. Zero proof, more blind optimistic hope the mayor couldn't be a wolf.

[The Jackal]

Totally. Zero proof, more blind optimistic hope the mayor couldn't be a wolf.

I'd say that's a reason to not vote him today, but I wouldn't stick to blind hope if there's any sketchy trends with him closer to the end of the game.

[Coffee Warlord]

Wouldn't disagree with that at all. For today, however, it's my best means of putting more green on the board to look for outliers. It certainly shouldn't be considered definitive. Or even slightly definitive.

[Zinto]

Our voting history is rough. Yesterday didn't help much(though having the portal up is a good thing)

[Zinto]

I think that guarding the portal again today is an awful move. We need to get some vote history out there.

[Coffee Warlord]

Vote DaddyTorgo

[Chief Rum]

Zinto has to be considered as readily as anyone. He was elected by fact of being the first vote getter on Day One. It has nothing to do with his actual allegiance.

[Coffee Warlord]

He's on my fairly poorly contrived list of candidates, and something rubbed me the wrong way on his day 1 vote on me. He was awfully verbose in explaining a day 1 vote.

[Zinto]

Vote Mau

[Zinto]

I don't have a great reason. I just figure we need to get some kind of conversation going today or we will be pushing five before there are any votes.

[britrock88]

vote Autumn

[britrock88]

It seems like Autumn has ridden CR hard for the two days of substantive voting we've had. CR's responses have struck me as villager-ish, yet Autumn has pressed on.

[EagleFan]

As of post 419

DaddyTorgo 1 - Coffee Warlord
mauchow 1 - Zinto (416)
Autumn 1 - britrock88 (418)

[Autumn]

Okay, well haven't missed much. My guess is that hte bad guys have a choice of night actions. Knowing we were guarding the portal, they chose a night kill. Probably if we lynch they can choose either one.

Obviously we don't have a real sense of what the problem could be by losing access to the tube longterm, or what we mgiht gain by guarding it. I'm guessing that eventually, maybe if we had that piece that's missing, we could fix it for good. Might be worth letting it go one day, but never two days in a row?

I'm not sure I understood all our options today. Going to go reread.

[Autumn]

Thin ice will break of no change? That's the part I don't understand.

Do we think if the portal gets sabotaged today that we won't make it through the Tube? or we'll be stuck on the other side?

[Coffee Warlord]

Thin Ice == If person on thin ice does not vote, he'll remove them for idleness.

[Autumn]

As for riding Chief, I just rode until I could get an answer out of him. Could have been a two post ride if he had been around after his vote on day one and had just answered right away. Certainly I don't think it marks me as a wolf, as it would be easier to just sit back and not say anything in this game.

[Autumn]

Thin Ice == If person on thin ice does not vote, he'll remove them for idleness.

Oh, thank you, that went over my head.

[Suicane75]

Vote: DaddyTorgo

[Autumn]

I think I'm voting DT at this point. Looking at the votes he's one that sticks out to me. Jackal does, but I'm reading him as good at the moment.

[Autumn]

I thought Danny had been around to vote at least. Really no votes from him at all?

[Suicane75]

I'm pretty much riding CW's analysis at this point. If we don't guard the portal tonight, what do you think the consequences will be? Seems like we're damned either way.

[Autumn]

Totally forgot Murray5 was in this game.

[Suicane75]

I thought Danny had been around to vote at least. Really no votes from him at all?

He and DT both seem to be here, but not really be here.

[Autumn]

I'm pretty much riding CW's analysis at this point. If we don't guard the portal tonight, what do you think the consequences will be? Seems like we're damned either way.

My best guess is that we'll travel through the Tube, then the tube is sabotaged, nad we get stuck for a day on the other side? Conceivably it will be sabotaged before we leave and we'll have wasted guarding it yesterday.

My assumption is that letting the portal get damaged too many times will be a loss for us, but maybe that's not the case, I don't know

[Autumn]

with a game this relatively quiet I may choose to vote off the absentee players rather than kill dialogue around here. not necessarily the best strategy, but EF deserves some active players.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm pretty much riding CW's analysis at this point.

YOU FOOL!

[Suicane75]

YOU FOOL!

Surround yourself with smart people and all that crap.

[Zinto]

with a game this relatively quiet I may choose to vote off the absentee players rather than kill dialogue around here. not necessarily the best strategy, but EF deserves some active players.


Yeah it is unfortunate that it has been so quiet. I am hoping today picks up in the next couple of hours.

[Zinto]

Alas, it seems that we don't have anymore activity.

[Zinto]

Your mayor demands activity!

[mauchow]

vote jackal

[EagleFan]

:popcorn:

[murrayyyyy]

Totally forgot Murray5 was in this game.

Well if I was at work like normal this week I would probably be near a computer. I had practically no days off for Feb-Mar-APR so they gave me a week of comp time off on Saturday (starting the following Monday). So I've basially been sitting around and doing housework. Built a grill (which of course means you have to grill now), built a cactus bed in the backyard, been to the park way too many times with the 4 year old, etc...

Then add in that a former teammate called me up on Sunday night to tell me he would be in town Mon-Thurs and I've had no night time computer time. Shouldn't have played this week if I knew everything would have gone this way. Have to pay attention to the drat tonight for work (to turn in rookie orders).

Then again I see no clues in this game. It's more like throwing darts at a board.

[britrock88]

Your mayor demands activity!

Well, then! I'll tell you about my activity!

I have been patronizing a hot New York club called SPICY with a charming young lad named Stefon! Let me tell you, this club has a lot of peculiar and entertaining features. Human chilies, even!

[britrock88]

I suppose that's enough of a tease for now. Exit, stage left!

[Autumn]

I will stick with DT for now. Normally I'd rather have more of a conversation by keeping the race tighter. But DT is someone who has been low-activity, but has actually voted and given us some reason to wonder about him. Tomorrow I will probably be putting pressure on guys like Murray and Danny though. I know they're busy but we can't afford to possibly have an off the radar wolf.

[Autumn]

<b>vote daddy torgo</b>

[murrayyyyy]

I will stick with DT for now. Normally I'd rather have more of a conversation by keeping the race tighter. But DT is someone who has been low-activity, but has actually voted and given us some reason to wonder about him. Tomorrow I will probably be putting pressure on guys like Murray and Danny though. I know they're busy but we can't afford to possibly have an off the radar wolf.

First day I voted for Brit but I didn't make it a separate post so it didn't count.

[murrayyyyy]

vote daddy torgo

[murrayyyyy]

With the hidden votes out there someone has to be in the lead. Trusting Autumn and CW usually end up having me killed but CW seems to be better at finding hidden nuggets so far so I might as well trust him. (I know, horrible strategy)

[Chief Rum]

Why do we have a DT runaway in a game with very little information so far?

[Coffee Warlord]

Clearly it's a win for the environment! Go Planet!

On a serious note, I find the number of people agreeing with me on my utterly tiny "evidence" mildly disconcerting.

[Suicane75]

Why do we have a DT runaway in a game with very little information so far?

Well we've got to pick someone, and with two extra votes out there, it'd be best to get a sizable majority to prevent shenanigans, no?

[Zinto]

Well we've got to pick someone, and with two extra votes out there, it'd be best to get a sizable majority to prevent shenanigans, no?

Well, it is two villagers with extra votes so presumably they won't tie it. I wouldn't worry about the extra votes

[Chief Rum]

VOTE DANNY

[Chief Rum]

I am voting Danny on the basis of his lack of activity (which he warned us about, yes, but nonetheless...).

Plus, I didn't want to vote for DT, as I am not seeing the argument for it.

[Suicane75]

Well, it is two villagers with extra votes so presumably they won't tie it. I wouldn't worry about the extra votes

I took random citizens to mean it could be anyone. Sure it's not likely, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.

[EagleFan]

As of post 455

DaddyTorgo 4 - Coffee Warlord (413), Suicane75 (426), Autumn (445), murrayyyyy (447)
mauchow 1 - Zinto (416)
Autumn 1 - britrock88 (418)
The Jackal 1 - mauchow (439)
Danny 1 - Chief Rum (453)

Yet to vote: The Jackal, DaddyTorgo, Schmidty, Danny

[The Jackal]

vote mau

[The Jackal]

Out of the three besides myself with 1 vote I'd rather see mau in the running, and not just because he voted me. He's popped in and out but I don't really recall him answering the question or two I posed, just leaving other stray comments.

[The Jackal]

But as I've said I'm fine with DT as a candidate too. Granted, the random votes make it so that we probably don't want it to be too close.

[The Jackal]

Not sure if this has been addressed .. EF - if the lynch ends in a tie because of random votes do the tie rules still take effect? Or just if we end it tied knowingly?

[The Jackal]

By random votes, I mean the random additional citizen votes.

[EagleFan]

Not sure if this has been addressed .. EF - if the lynch ends in a tie because of random votes do the tie rules still take effect? Or just if we end it tied knowingly?

A tie is a tie...

:)

[Suicane75]

eeek, hadn't thought of that.

[murrayyyyy]

Well we've got to pick someone, and with two extra votes out there, it'd be best to get a sizable majority to prevent shenanigans, no?

This was my theory. It has to be a run away vote tonight.

[EagleFan]

As of post 462

DaddyTorgo 4 - Coffee Warlord (413), Suicane75 (426), Autumn (445), murrayyyyy (447)
mauchow 2 - Zinto (416). The Jackal (457)
Autumn 1 - britrock88 (418)
The Jackal 1 - mauchow (439)
Danny 1 - Chief Rum (453)

Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, Schmidty, Danny

[EagleFan]

If the last vote is the additional vote and it ties it, that person would be considered having made the last vote.

[Zinto]

This was my theory. It has to be a run away vote tonight.


My fear is, if we need a runaway vote today when won't we? There seems like there is always going to be extra votes out there

[EagleFan]

Added the anvil to the list of items.

[claphamsa]

sorry all, thought I said I couldnt play :( stupid IT rules!

[The Jackal]

A tie is a tie...

:)

Dangerous. Probably going to result in some runaways that mess with voting history - but we'll work with what we've got!

[Autumn]

Well, it's not that we really need a runaway. Worst case is two additional votes on the lower vote getter, so as long as we do'nt end up exactly two votes apart ...

[Autumn]

once we're near deadline, we can probably shift votes in such a manner as to make a tie impossible. I hate to see people make it a runaway with hours left just to avoid a chance of a tie.

[Zinto]

once we're near deadline, we can probably shift votes in such a manner as to make a tie impossible. I hate to see people make it a runaway with hours left just to avoid a chance of a tie.


I agree. It would be nice if the last three people come and vote.

[mauchow]

unvote jackal
vote DT

[mauchow]

With the giraffe (my son keeps callin it that) on I figure I'd get my self defense vote in now.

Jackal, re: your questions, there is not really any answer I can give you. It was just a vote that felt like a day one vote to me.

[EagleFan]

As of post 475

DaddyTorgo 5 - Coffee Warlord (413), Suicane75 (426), Autumn (445), murrayyyyy (447), mauchow (474)
mauchow 2 - Zinto (416). The Jackal (457)
Autumn 1 - britrock88 (418)
Danny 1 - Chief Rum (453)

Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, Schmidty, Danny

[Autumn]

Hmm, just a hunch. But makes the vote more meaningful for Schmidty or Danny if they happen to show up.

[Autumn]

<b>unvote daddy torgo
vote mauchow</b>

[EagleFan]

As of post 478

DaddyTorgo 4 - Coffee Warlord (413), Suicane75 (426), murrayyyyy (447), mauchow (474)
mauchow 3 - Zinto (416). The Jackal (457), Autumn (478)
Autumn 1 - britrock88 (418)
Danny 1 - Chief Rum (453)

Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, Schmidty, Danny

[DaddyTorgo]

Took a nap when I got home at 8, but here I am!

[DaddyTorgo]

Why are there votes on me?

I'm not a wolf y'all.

[DaddyTorgo]

Great...I don't suppose anyone is open to not voting me?

[DaddyTorgo]

So CW led the movement toward me - after I laid out some actual reasoning for voting him on D1 -- does nobody else find that curious?

If I die at least keep that in mind when I show up a villager, alright?

[Coffee Warlord]

Believe in our environment! Believe in our Captain! Believe in our Planet!

[Danny]

I don't see any reason to change my vote at this point

[Coffee Warlord]

Though I find it amusing DT says I "led" a movement, when I was quite candid on exactly how little information I was going on. If DT *is* good, I'm more worried about the large number of people who came along so quick.

[Autumn]

Um, danny?

[Coffee Warlord]

Heh.

[Autumn]

now i feel better about wanting to vote him

[Danny]

vote dt

[Danny]

Didn't I vote dtearlier?

[Autumn]

So CW led the movement toward me - after I laid out some actual reasoning for voting him on D1 -- does nobody else find that curious?

If I die at least keep that in mind when I show up a villager, alright?

i don't think anyone remembers what you posted on D1, DT. That was a long time ago, and you haven't posted much since.

[Autumn]

Didn't I vote dtearlier?

Not that I see.

[Danny]

Maybe I typed it real quick at work but never hit submit before getting called away. I was planning to vote dt earlier today

[Autumn]

I don't suppose we'll see a Schmidty sighting.

DT, you going to wow anybody over to a different vote?

[EagleFan]

As of post 495

DaddyTorgo 5 - Coffee Warlord (413), Suicane75 (426), murrayyyyy (447), mauchow (474), Danny (490)
mauchow 3 - Zinto (416). The Jackal (457), Autumn (478)
Autumn 1 - britrock88 (418)
Danny 1 - Chief Rum (453)

Yet to vote: DaddyTorgo, Schmidty

[Autumn]

<b>unvote mauchow
vote daddytorgo</b>

[Autumn]

gotta get going and that should help prevent shenanigans. i'm going to look at Mauchow tomorrow as he pinged me, but better to play it safe.

[The Jackal]

unvote mau
vote DT

[The Jackal]

Just in case