The Official 2014 NFL Draft Thread

[Chief Rum]

I realize we have the offseason thread but that can be about just about anything. I figured it would be a good idea to have one spot where we can all just discuss the draft this week, the rumors, the picks, busts or underrated values, how stupid NFL GMs are, etc.

[Chief Rum]

The rumors about rising/falling stock of players is just crazy this year. There seems to be a lot of divergence of opinion on just who the best prospects are. And a lot of splits between taking best players available versus best at need positions.

QB talk has dominated, of course, and I think this is one of the more intriguing groups of prospects at a position as we have seen in a while. I believe there are a number of QB prospects available whom I think can play and maybe even be stars. But sifting through them all and making the right choice looks like a chore.

I predict 5 QBs will go in the first round, despite all the naysayers. NFL teams love to pick QBs. I would say 6, except this draft is pretty deep, so it's going to get too crowded in the first round for that to happen.

[MrBug708]

I'm hopeful ucla will have two first round picks for the first time in whenever

[jbergey22]

I would be very happy if the draft played out like this mock.

http://nfldraftgeek.com/2014nflmockdraft.html

Vikings bringing in the top DT and trading back into the late first to get Bridgewater with the Patriots pick.

[Chief Rum]

Speaking of mocks, I am surprised there haven't been more moves here to do some mocks among our FOFC cogniscenti, considering we have done them for much less interesting drafts in past years.

[jbergey22]

Speaking of mocks, I am surprised there haven't been more moves here to do some mocks among our FOFC cogniscenti, considering we have done them for much less interesting drafts in past years.

I considered trying to get 15-30 people together on here to each be the GM of a team or two and make their picks for them in a mock draft style about a month ago but I didnt think the interest would be there. Also, it would be hard to reproduce the actual war room feeling as we would likely only be looking to do the best we could THIS year.

[albionmoonlight]

I predict 5 QBs will go in the first round, despite all the naysayers. NFL teams love to pick QBs. I would say 6, except this draft is pretty deep, so it's going to get too crowded in the first round for that to happen.

The Saints pick at 27. I think a lot hinges on how many QBs go early. For every QB that is drafted before 27, one more position player slides down the board.

I have no idea how that will play out. If Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, and Carr all go in the top 20, I would be surprised but not shocked. If only one of them is off the board by the time the Saints pick at 27, I would be surprised but not shocked.

[Blackadar]

Speaking of mocks, I am surprised there haven't been more moves here to do some mocks among our FOFC cogniscenti, considering we have done them for much less interesting drafts in past years.

I dunno about anyone else, but I already have draft fatigue. It's stretched on too long this year and I'm in "just get it the fuck over with" mode.

[BillJasper]

I dunno about anyone else, but I already have draft fatigue. It's stretched on too long this year and I'm in "just get it the fuck over with" mode.

+1

[Thomkal]

I would be very happy if the draft played out like this mock.

2014 NFL Mock Draft- NFL Draft Geek (http://nfldraftgeek.com/2014nflmockdraft.html)

Vikings bringing in the top DT and trading back into the late first to get Bridgewater with the Patriots pick.

Would not be very happy if my beloved Cards drafted a QB in round one and two like in this draft :) What I think will happen is that they will go with the best player available on their board at either QB, DE/DT, LB, or CB. I would prefer the defense pick (probably CB due to the Honey Badger injury at the end of last season). I've seen them attached to every highly rated QB in this draft, but I think it will likely be Carr or Bridgewater if they take one in round one.

[Matthean]

I predict 5 QBs will go in the first round, despite all the naysayers. NFL teams love to pick QBs. I would say 6, except this draft is pretty deep, so it's going to get too crowded in the first round for that to happen.

I don't see where that many go. It isn't a position with a lot of strength to it. This would require a number of teams in the later first round to draft them, and I simply don't see why they would. Six QBs going is just begging for at least 3 of them to fail hard. Are teams really wanting to risk a first rounder with those kinds of odds? Anything outside of three maybe four is being generous.

[Kodos]

I dunno about anyone else, but I already have draft fatigue. It's stretched on too long this year and I'm in "just get it the fuck over with" mode.

I like Goodell's emphasis on punishing players who do bad things off the field, but pretty much all his other changes have been bad. The Draft has really been ruined, to the extent that I sometimes have forgotten it was even on.

[jbergey22]

Would not be very happy if my beloved Cards drafted a QB in round one and two like in this draft :) What I think will happen is that they will go with the best player available on their board at either QB, DE/DT, LB, or CB. I would prefer the defense pick (probably CB due to the Honey Badger injury at the end of last season). I've seen them attached to every highly rated QB in this draft, but I think it will likely be Carr or Bridgewater if they take one in round one.

Haha! Yes I noticed that as well.

Im thinking he changed round 1 without changing round 2. He actually wrote about Hyde in the 2nd round writeup under Cards must have just forgotten to change the name of the player.

[Lathum]

I agree on the draft, it's to long.

[jbergey22]

Arent we all given the choice of how much time we allocate to something? If so many of you are struggling with the draft couldnt you turn the TV off or not read draft articles? Something to consider;)

[Honolulu_Blue]

I dunno about anyone else, but I already have draft fatigue. It's stretched on too long this year and I'm in "just get it the fuck over with" mode.

This is a pretty popular sentiment. The guys over at Profootballtalk have been hammering home on this for the last week or so.

While I am not a big fan of the draft getting pushed back two weeks - it really is only two weeks later, so I feel a lot of the complaining is a bit overblown - I haven't really experienced any draft fatigue. I think it's pretty easy to regular your intake. I only ever watch ESPN when I am on the treadmill at the gym (so, 40-60 minutes a week depending on how disciplined I am), I listen to NFL radio occasionally to and from work and then read various mock drafts and analysis when I feel like it. If I start getting bored or tired of it, I change the channel, do something else until it sparks my interest again.

[Buccaneer]

The likely chance that Clowney will get rewarded with a top draft pick ruins the draft for me. But it will be fun to compare the mocks with actual.

[jbergey22]

The likely chance that Clowney will get rewarded with a top draft pick ruins the draft for me. But it will be fun to compare the mocks with actual.

It is possible that Mack gets taken before him. At least rumors of it.

[albionmoonlight]

The NFL was very careful to give a BS reason for pushing the draft back (scheduling conflict). I would assume that this is because they want to gauge the ratings and/or how the public perceived the change.

If the powers that be crunch the numbers and decide to move it back, then they can do so with a complete save of face and pretend like they never intended this to be a permanent change anyway.

On some level, I can see them saying that sportsblogs writing about NFL draft fatigue are still better for the league than those same blogs writing about the NBA or NHL playoffs. No publicity is bad publicity and all that.

[Julio Riddols]

I don't necessarily have draft fatigue, but I do hope they stop messing with things that aren't broken in an effort to somehow improve their revenue. There is only a certain amount of change something you love can undertake before you begin to have trouble recognizing it. The things Goodell keeps talking about changing and actually changing are things that have been fine as-is for a long long time. They are part of what made the game what it was and they didn't need changing.

It reminds me in a way of women and men with body image issues who get plastic surgery on top of plastic surgery until they are so different from their original form that they become a whole other entity.

It also reminds me of our government, changing things that are unnecessary and leaving actual problems untouched.

I can't wait for Thursday night, but that is because I like the draft and I love football. I would have preferred to see it in April, however. On Saturday and Sunday. I like spending my weekend with the sport, not cramming the good parts in on a work night and leaving the boring stuff for when people actually have spare time to really enjoy it.

[Matthean]

It is possible that Mack gets taken before him. At least rumors of it.

Probably be the best thing for him to not be the first player or even first defensive player taken.

[Chief Rum]

I don't see where that many go. It isn't a position with a lot of strength to it. This would require a number of teams in the later first round to draft them, and I simply don't see why they would. Six QBs going is just begging for at least 3 of them to fail hard. Are teams really wanting to risk a first rounder with those kinds of odds? Anything outside of three maybe four is being generous.

I suppose we'll see. It is rare that the mocks over-pick QBs in the first round. They usually under pick them, saying exactly what you're saying, i.e. "none of these guys are any good, etc.". It was the kind of thing they said in the Newton draft, where Cam Newton was a definie #1 and maybe Gabbert goes after that, but no one else looks like a first round talent. And then we watched as Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder, etc. went first round, followed by Kaep and Dalton early in the 2nd round. Tebow was taken in the first round, for Pete's sake.

The bottom teams may not need QBs but the top ones do, and I suspect they're behind a lot of the "QBs dropping" talk to get people off of their targets. I think three QBs go top 10 minimum, a fourth somewhere between 10-20, and then another will get picked up near the end of round one, so a team can stash him and their rights to him for five years.

[Warhammer]

As a Rams fan, this draft is fascinating to me. They have a few need positions, which this draft has a bunch of fits for them, and two prime picks. Which direction they go is anyone's guess. As long as they don't take Manziel, I'll be happy.

[chadritt]

As a Falcons fan I wish the draft would hurry up and get here just because the whole "Atlanta may trade everything for the first pick" stories are not good for my heart. I just want them to stick at 6 and get an offensive lineman, I was hoping Robinsons stock wouldnt shoot up before the draft but it looks to be too late so I just hope Matthews falls now.

[Chief Rum]

As a Rams fan, this draft is fascinating to me. They have a few need positions, which this draft has a bunch of fits for them, and two prime picks. Which direction they go is anyone's guess. As long as they don't take Manziel, I'll be happy.

The Rams are in a great spot, like you say. They don't seem to feel the need to replace Bradford just yet, which is probably the right call, since he has been at least decently effective those rare times he has been healthy and the skill position talent around him is finally getting to be decent. They will probably have a good shot next year at a better QB draft with guys like Winston, Mariota and Hundley to be available. So they can use these two high picks to get some real talent at other spots.

My gut has said Watkins and a tackle, but not sure they would go with both offense picks.

[The Jackal]

As a Redskins fan I'm just hoping we address the offensive line early and often. Wouldn't mind seeing a RT and C being two of the first three picks. Also wouldn't mind trading back from 34 either, unless someone juicy drops.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

LaCanafora said on a radio show that the Vikings and Rams have discussed a trade including Bradford.

[Warhammer]

LaCanafora said on a radio show that the Vikings and Rams have discussed a trade including Bradford.

Shoot me now... The thing with Bradford is I can't name another younger QB other than Luck that I consider to be considerably better than him.

[Matthean]

And then we watched as Newton, Gabbert, Locker, Ponder, etc. went first round, followed by Kaep and Dalton early in the 2nd round. Tebow was taken in the first round, for Pete's sake.

Thanks for proving my point on the bust factor. :lol: You miss on a DT in the first round then that sucks. You miss on a QB and you could be without a job. You better fall in love with a QB in order to take him in the first, and I just don't see that many guys worth it this year.

[Matthean]

Shoot me now... The thing with Bradford is I can't name another younger QB other than Luck that I consider to be considerably better than him.

Wilson?

[Lathum]

Shoot me now... The thing with Bradford is I can't name another younger QB other than Luck that I consider to be considerably better than him.

Really?

Newton? Wilson? RGIII when healthy? Nick Foles? Kapernick?

[Warhammer]

Wilson?

I like him, but I don't think he'd do any better than Bradford has on the Rams. People forget just how bereft of talent the Rams were when they drafted Bradford.

[Warhammer]

Really?

Newton? Wilson? RGIII when healthy? Nick Foles? Kapernick?

Floes is the one I'd take. I don't consider any of the other guys to be considerably better than Bradford. Foles is better but I also don't put him in a different category than Bradford, yet.

[BishopMVP]

I would be very happy if the draft played out like this mock.

2014 NFL Mock Draft- NFL Draft Geek (http://nfldraftgeek.com/2014nflmockdraft.html)

Vikings bringing in the top DT and trading back into the late first to get Bridgewater with the Patriots pick.If Bridgewater's there, I'm not sure the Patriots are interested in trading down. Now I'd still prefer a Hageman, Nix or Shazier, but if we're picking Bridgewater as a future QB and not just some random QB like Savage or Garoppollo I'd take it.

[Lathum]

Floes is the one I'd take. I don't consider any of the other guys to be considerably better than Bradford. Foles is better but I also don't put him in a different category than Bradford, yet.

I admitedly don't watch a ton of Rams games, but I think their GM would trip over himself trying to do a 1-1 trade for any of those guys, not even factoring in salary.

[The Jackal]

Floes is the one I'd take. I don't consider any of the other guys to be considerably better than Bradford. Foles is better but I also don't put him in a different category than Bradford, yet.

Foles is the one you take out of that group? :eek:

[Chief Rum]

Thanks for proving my point on the bust factor. :lol: You miss on a DT in the first round then that sucks. You miss on a QB and you could be without a job. You better fall in love with a QB in order to take him in the first, and I just don't see that many guys worth it this year.

Heh heh, true enough, but that doesn't mean teams learn from it. Reality is, it's a QB driven league, and front offices know if they don't have one, they need to get one.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

As long as they don't take Manziel, I'll be happy.

This is the rumored second step to the Bradford trade. Obviously no idea how much smoke there is, not much at this point.

[BillJasper]

Really?

Newton? Wilson? RGIII when healthy? Nick Foles? Kapernick?

I think RGIII is going to have durability issues, Kapernick needs to become a more comfortable passer in the pocket and Foles is going to have to prove that last season isn't a fluke.

I would definitely take Newton over Bradford. Wilson, I'm not sure, has a great defense and monster running game.

Bradford could be interesting if he had some real talent around him.

[Chief Rum]

First three non-QBs off the board? Just a general question...

I am guessing, in order, Clowney, Mack, Watkins.

[Warhammer]

I admitedly don't watch a ton of Rams games, but I think their GM would trip over himself trying to do a 1-1 trade for any of those guys, not even factoring in salary.

I would too taking salary into account. Go back and look at the Rams offensive personnel over the time Bradford has been there. There has not been a significant contributor on their offense that has left and done anything anywhere else. His best WR has been Danny Amendola for crying out loud, who I like, but you're in trouble when he's your best guy.

And yes, Foles is the one I take out of that group with Wilson next. I don't like Kapernick at all, and I have never been a Newton fan. I am a big believer in pocket passers which is why I take Foles.

[Chief Rum]

Maybe Clowney is a given, and you go the next three besides him. In which case...

(Clowney)


Mack
Watkins
Robinson

[The Jackal]

First three non-QBs off the board? Just a general question...

I am guessing, in order, Clowney, Mack, Watkins.

Probably right. Unless someone falls in love with Robinson/Matthews.

[The Jackal]

I think RGIII is going to have durability issues

You probably won't see him running the read option much anymore. It'll be interesting to see how he plays this year - he has the arm strength and short/middle accuracy to work in the pocket, and will certainly scramble occasionally. All about the decision making and long balls - and of course, upgrading the bush league O-line.

[Sweed]

LaCanafora said on a radio show that the Vikings and Rams have discussed a trade including Bradford.

As a Ram fan for 45 years I agree with Warhammer just shoot me now.

I'm hoping they take Watkins and a tackle at 13(?). Keep Sam on his feet and healthy with some real weapons and lets see what he can do.

[CU Tiger]

The Rams are in a great spot, like you say. They don't seem to feel the need to replace Bradford just yet, which is probably the right call, since he has been at least decently effective those rare times he has been healthy and the skill position talent around him is finally getting to be decent. They will probably have a good shot next year at a better QB draft with guys like Winston, Mariota and Hundley to be available. So they can use these two high picks to get some real talent at other spots.

My gut has said Watkins and a tackle, but not sure they would go with both offense picks.


Let me say this, with no knowledge of anyone within the Rams organization.
Watkins is under the impression that if he is on the board the Rams take him automatically. He actually said the words he was told, "If you are still on the board we will knock Goodell getting up there to pick you."

Now how much of that is pandering, how much of that is real...I dunno.

But thats what he is telling folks.

[CU Tiger]

Watkins and Nuk Hopkins taken last year by the Texans are two good stories. Both came from really really bad places. And it looks very good for both to change their life.

I remember interviewing Watkins before he ever played a college snap and asking why he came to Clemson when all the suitors in FL were calling and he was a South Florida boy. His response gives me chills to this day.

"Ive buried 3 close friends and before I am done at Clemson will probably bury 1 or 2 more. Shit was everywhere back home. If I want to not only change my life, but my kids lives and my grand kids lives...you know make the Watkins family proud society figures for generations I had to get away from that trash. It feels like just being here I have accomplished my dreams, but I ahve done jack yet. But I will. Watch and tell everyone I told you.

I reminded him of that last time we spoke. He smiled and said, "Man I still aint done jack...you gonna interview me on media day of the Super Bowl when I make it?"

I'm a big Sammy fan and not because he came from Clemson. I am a fan of the man and the person he has become. He will make some team proud.

[stevew]

Gotta move on from Bradford if you like any of the QB's on the board. I think Manziel represents a unique marketing opportunity. Over the next 10-15 years several "good" teams won't win a SuperBowl. May as well put asses in the seats. And if they are LA asses, even better.

[stevew]

As a Redskins fan I'm just hoping we address the offensive line early and often. Wouldn't mind seeing a RT and C being two of the first three picks. Also wouldn't mind trading back from 34 either, unless someone juicy drops.

Agreed that they gotta move the 2nd for multiple picks.

[Julio Riddols]

Watkins and Nuk Hopkins taken last year by the Texans are two good stories. Both came from really really bad places. And it looks very good for both to change their life.

I remember interviewing Watkins before he ever played a college snap and asking why he came to Clemson when all the suitors in FL were calling and he was a South Florida boy. His response gives me chills to this day.

"Ive buried 3 close friends and before I am done at Clemson will probably bury 1 or 2 more. Shit was everywhere back home. If I want to not only change my life, but my kids lives and my grand kids lives...you know make the Watkins family proud society figures for generations I had to get away from that trash. It feels like just being here I have accomplished my dreams, but I ahve done jack yet. But I will. Watch and tell everyone I told you.

I reminded him of that last time we spoke. He smiled and said, "Man I still aint done jack...you gonna interview me on media day of the Super Bowl when I make it?"

I'm a big Sammy fan and not because he came from Clemson. I am a fan of the man and the person he has become. He will make some team proud.

I'm an even bigger Watkins fan now. Good stuff.

I'm not sold yet that he will be the top receiver in this class when it is all said and done, but he seems to have a good head and a good idea of what it takes to be successful. About as close to can't miss as a WR can get, IMO.

[Danny]

Watkins and Nuk Hopkins taken last year by the Texans are two good stories. Both came from really really bad places. And it looks very good for both to change their life.

I remember interviewing Watkins before he ever played a college snap and asking why he came to Clemson when all the suitors in FL were calling and he was a South Florida boy. His response gives me chills to this day.

"Ive buried 3 close friends and before I am done at Clemson will probably bury 1 or 2 more. Shit was everywhere back home. If I want to not only change my life, but my kids lives and my grand kids lives...you know make the Watkins family proud society figures for generations I had to get away from that trash. It feels like just being here I have accomplished my dreams, but I ahve done jack yet. But I will. Watch and tell everyone I told you.

I reminded him of that last time we spoke. He smiled and said, "Man I still aint done jack...you gonna interview me on media day of the Super Bowl when I make it?"

I'm a big Sammy fan and not because he came from Clemson. I am a fan of the man and the person he has become. He will make some team proud.

Watkins is the guy I want at #5 before reading this.

[Matthean]

Interesting of the players mentioned they all went to LSU or FSU. That's 5 of the 10.

2014 NFL draft -- Zach Mettenberger's combine urine sample diluted - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10887737/2014-nfl-draft-zach-mettenberger-combine-urine-sample-diluted)

[Julio Riddols]

Man, it's not hard to stop smoking weed. These players are retarded.

[molson]

I'd kind of like an IQ test that's maybe more valuable than the wonderlic. If you just can't stop smoking marijuana even though you know it could damage your career (the only career you have any qualifications for), you are probably barely operating at an adult level mentally and are prone to all kinds of bad judgment calls.

[mckerney]

If Bridgewater's there, I'm not sure the Patriots are interested in trading down. Now I'd still prefer a Hageman, Nix or Shazier, but if we're picking Bridgewater as a future QB and not just some random QB like Savage or Garoppollo I'd take it.

Having watched Hageman the last few years I don't like him in round one. He's amazing physically but he disappeared way to frequently during games and didn't have the production to match his size and strength.

[Lathum]

Giants projected to grab Eric Ebron. He would be a nice safety valve for Eli in the passanig game but there is something weird to me about taking a TE with an early first round pick.

I still think Austin Seferian-Jenkins is going to be the better player of the 2.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Interesting of the players mentioned they all went to LSU or FSU. That's 5 of the 10.

2014 NFL draft -- Zach Mettenberger's combine urine sample diluted - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10887737/2014-nfl-draft-zach-mettenberger-combine-urine-sample-diluted)

Good judgment ain't never been Mettenberger's trademark, this would not be a huge surprise to me.

[SteveMax58]

Giants projected to grab Eric Ebron. He would be a nice safety valve for Eli in the passanig game but there is something weird to me about taking a TE with an early first round pick.

I still think Austin Seferian-Jenkins is going to be the better player of the 2.
I've seen some mocks with them going Zack Martin. Not the most interesting of picks but I can't say I'd be disappointed by it.

As much as Ebron would be nice to have, I think keeping Eli upright and getting back to winning the LoS should be the priority (followed by getting pressure on opposing QBs). And guys like Ebron (famous last words) always seem nice & explosive coming out, only to kinda sink into being "just ok" or mediocre.

I know I'll probably get the "this guy is different" line, and thats fine if he is, but the safest & biggest need to me is winning the LoS again...which is what we've always done when we've been most successful.

[Logan]

Giants need to invest in the OL and LBs.

[Travis]

Very Seahawk draft centric article, but I love the information and the way it's presented.

NFL Draft 2014: Seahawks Horizonal Draft Matrix (http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/2014/5/6/5687496/nfl-draft-2014-seahawks-horizonal-draft-board-scouting-reports)

If you're not overly interested in their explanation behind the project/how it applies to the Seahawks and just want to see how they're grading guys in the draft, just scroll down and click on the link for the matrix just over halfway down the page.

[sabotai]

As far as Eric Ebron goes, he can't block for shit and what I'm hearing, at least from the talking heads on the TV, is that he's immature and high maintenance. I'd be weary about having another Jeremy Shockey.

I'd like the Giants to take Aaron Donald if he's still there at 12. They need help at DT, but the big question mark with Donald is that he's undersized for a DT. Their OL was dreadful last year so they'll probably go there. I can also see them taking Mike Evans, but I doubt he'd still be there at 12.

[stevew]

I still think Austin Seferian-Jenkins is going to be the better player of the 2.

Supposedly has major issues with his makeup. Basically numerous teams said "fuck this guy" after his combine issues.

[BishopMVP]

Supposedly has major issues with his makeup. Basically numerous teams said "fuck this guy" after his combine issues.Still less of a risk than Colt Lyerla! Then again, Lyerla will probably go 7th round/UDFA and ASJ in the 2nd.

[SteveMax58]

As far as Eric Ebron goes, he can't block for shit and what I'm hearing, at least from the talking heads on the TV, is that he's immature and high maintenance. I'd be weary about having another Jeremy Shockey.

I'd like the Giants to take Aaron Donald if he's still there at 12. They need help at DT, but the big question mark with Donald is that he's undersized for a DT. Their OL was dreadful last year so they'll probably go there. I can also see them taking Mike Evans, but I doubt he'd still be there at 12.
Agree on not needing a head case. The only time a head case is good is when the team is utterly terrible to the point that the head case IS the entertainment. We aren't that bad of a team.

I've been wondering about Donald myself. Are they making comparisons to somebody like Sapp? Sapp was a girthy dude but he's no giant (no pun intended) of a man either at about 6'0"-6'1". Pressure up the middle is really disruptive (see Tuck during that 2007 run) if you can find the right guy.

Gotta research that guy a bit more now.

[bhlloy]

I really like Donald as a prospect - physical freak with the stats in a decent conference to back it up (most TFL in the nation and double digit sacks). He'll be a stud in a 4-3 defence

[Julio Riddols]

Still less of a risk than Colt Lyerla! Then again, Lyerla will probably go 7th round/UDFA and ASJ in the 2nd.

Man, if Lyerla wasn't a dumbass he could be awesome.

[Julio Riddols]

Agree on not needing a head case. The only time a head case is good is when the team is utterly terrible to the point that the head case IS the entertainment. We aren't that bad of a team.

I've been wondering about Donald myself. Are they making comparisons to somebody like Sapp? Sapp was a girthy dude but he's no giant (no pun intended) of a man either at about 6'0"-6'1". Pressure up the middle is really disruptive (see Tuck during that 2007 run) if you can find the right guy.

Gotta research that guy a bit more now.

The comparison they're making with Donald is Geno Atkins. Almost identical build, but Donald is a bit quicker I think. That can only be a good thing.

[bhlloy]

FWIW, very few mock drafts now have Donald lasting until the Giants. I think he's a sure fire top 10 pick at this point.

[Logan]

Always love these types of articles:

Inside a war room during the NFL Draft | The MMQB with Peter King (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/07/nfl-draft-war-rooms/)

• And my favorite story: I once told a player we would sign him for a $500 bonus. His answer was, and I quote: “Well, I only have about $100 now, but I can get you the rest in about a week.” “No,” I answered, “We pay you.”

[Suburban Rhythm]

Agree on not needing a head case. The only time a head case is good is when the team is utterly terrible to the point that the head case IS the entertainment. We aren't that bad of a team.

I've been wondering about Donald myself. Are they making comparisons to somebody like Sapp? Sapp was a girthy dude but he's no giant (no pun intended) of a man either at about 6'0"-6'1". Pressure up the middle is really disruptive (see Tuck during that 2007 run) if you can find the right guy.

Gotta research that guy a bit more now.

I really like Donald as a prospect - physical freak with the stats in a decent conference to back it up (most TFL in the nation and double digit sacks). He'll be a stud in a 4-3 defence

The comparison they're making with Donald is Geno Atkins. Almost identical build, but Donald is a bit quicker I think. That can only be a good thing.

Watching him at Pitt it was hard to get a read. On one hand, teams knew they had to block him, and still couldn't. But, he played most of the year at about 270, no way he'd be able to get away with that in the NFL. Plenty of guy dominated in college and could never make the transition.

He's certainly benefiting from entering the NFL at the right time. Much like Atkins went in the 4th(?) round, Donald probably gets passed by 6 or so years ago, because he wouldn't be big enough to hold up vs the run (in the scouts eyes). Now, nobody cares about stopping the run if you can pressure the QB.

[Coffee Warlord]

Always love these types of articles:

Inside a war room during the NFL Draft | The MMQB with Peter King (http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/07/nfl-draft-war-rooms/)

I loved this one during the undrafted signing scramble:

In the 2003 post-draft chaos, one of our scouts yelled out, “Anyone want to sign this quarterback Romo? He’s from Wisconsin.” Crickets.

[Butter]

If you can get through Yahoo's general awfulness, this was a nice story...

NFL draft prospect Teddy Bridgewater gives cancer-surviving mom a pink Cadillac Escalade | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft-prospect-teddy-bridgewater-gives-cancer-surviving-mom-a-pink-cadillac-escalade-170838169.html)

[Lathum]

If you can get through Yahoo's general awfulness, this was a nice story...

NFL draft prospect Teddy Bridgewater gives cancer-surviving mom a pink Cadillac Escalade | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft-prospect-teddy-bridgewater-gives-cancer-surviving-mom-a-pink-cadillac-escalade-170838169.html)

Maybe I am cranky, but I look at that as really irresponsible. He is far from guarenteed a huge payday and this doesnt seem like the smartest purchase to make before he has even been picked.

I get the agent fronts him the money, etc...but based off a quick search the first pick in round 2 would get a signing bonus of just over 2 million, after agents and taxes that doesnt leave him a ton left over.

Nice gesture and I like the meaning behind it, maybe just not the best time to do it.

[Butter]

Maybe I am cranky,

Maybe?

[cartman]

Maybe I am cranky, but I look at that as really irresponsible. He is far from guarenteed a huge payday and this doesnt seem like the smartest purchase to make before he has even been picked.

I get the agent fronts him the money, etc...but based off a quick search the first pick in round 2 would get a signing bonus of just over 2 million, after agents and taxes that doesnt leave him a ton left over.

Nice gesture and I like the meaning behind it, maybe just not the best time to do it.

He does have insurance that pays him an amount if he isn't drafted by a certain point in the draft, so he does have a decent payday guaranteed no matter if he goes early in the first round or not.

[Lathum]

He does have insurance that pays him an amount if he isn't drafted by a certain point in the draft, so he does have a decent payday guaranteed no matter if he goes early in the first round or not.

Sure, a decent payday, but decent enough to buy a $65,000 car with a custom paint job?

Just seems irresponsible, regardless of how well intentioned he is.

You see so many stories about guys who overspend and are out of the league and broke in 3 years. I just think he should have waited until he know he was in a fiscaly better situation.

Again, not being critical of the act itself, I think it is very sweet, I just think the timing of it was irresponsible.

[mckerney]

He does have insurance that pays him an amount if he isn't drafted by a certain point in the draft, so he does have a decent payday guaranteed no matter if he goes early in the first round or not.

His draft insurance only pays or if he falls out of the first due to injury or illness.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Sure, a decent payday, but decent enough to buy a $65,000 car with a custom paint job?

Just seems irresponsible, regardless of how well intentioned he is.

You see so many stories about guys who overspend and are out of the league and broke in 3 years. I just think he should have waited until he know he was in a fiscaly better situation.

Again, not being critical of the act itself, I think it is very sweet, I just think the timing of it was irresponsible.

Dude. It's for his mom, who survived fucking breast cancer, as a Mother's Day gift. He promised this to her when he his in the the third grade.

The timing couldn't be better. It's Mother's Day weekend. He's about to have his lifelong dream come true - be in the NFL - and he's honoring his mother, who raised him and three other kids alone, and survived breast cancer. The timing doesn't GET any better. It's a perfect confluence of events.

Are you and saldana having marital issues?

[BillJasper]

Sure, a decent payday, but decent enough to buy a $65,000 car with a custom paint job?

Just seems irresponsible, regardless of how well intentioned he is.

You see so many stories about guys who overspend and are out of the league and broke in 3 years. I just think he should have waited until he know he was in a fiscaly better situation.

Again, not being critical of the act itself, I think it is very sweet, I just think the timing of it was irresponsible.

I agree. In the age of Vince Young, this may be a huge red flag for teams wanting a QB.

[Lathum]

Dude. It's for his mom, who survived fucking breast cancer, as a Mother's Day gift. He promised this to her when he his in the the third grade.

The timing couldn't be better. It's Mother's Day weekend. He's about to have his lifelong dream come true - be in the NFL - and he's honoring his mother, who raised him and three other kids alone, and survived breast cancer. The timing doesn't GET any better. It's a perfect confluence of events.

Are you and saldana having marital issues?

I think I was pretty clear in saying I admire the act itself, but the road to hell is paved with god intentions.

I know absolutly nothing about his mothers finances, but it seems to me that money could likely be spent in a much better way, and if he is succesful in the NFL he could buy her the car then. I know as a parent I wouldn't want my kid buying me a car when that money could be better spent on other things, given his financial uncertainty.

I am seperating the gesture itself from the financial aspect, if you cant do that then fine. I would say most broke people, NFL draftee or not, are people who can't seperate emotion from finance.

[chadritt]

Even after taxes I would think 2 MILLION dollars leaves enough for one "big" purchase. Now if he buys multiple houses as well then hes got a problem.

[Lathum]

Even after taxes I would think 2 MILLION dollars leaves enough for one "big" purchase. Now if he buys multiple houses as well then hes got a problem.

but it isn't.

I will preface this by saying I am pretty much pulling number out of thin air, so feel free to argue them if you like, but I think they are probably pretty close.

Lets say he gets a 2 million bonus,

Agent takes what, 10%? So he is at 1.8.

Uncle Sam takes 40%, so he is at 1.08 mil

Take out the car for Mom and that puts him at about a million even. So he is using about 10% of his total worth at that time ( assuming he doesn't have any other income we don't know about), to buy a car for his Mom. Not smart.

I would say he would get about 500K/ year salary. Nice, but not huge, generational money.

If he is a bust and gone from the league in a few years that isn't a lot of money to build for your future.

Again, great gesture and I hope he is a starter in the league for 15 years and taken in the top 10, I like the guy and will root for him, but I stand by my statement that this isn't a great financial decision.

[Chief Rum]

I am seperating the gesture itself from the financial aspect, if you cant do that then fine. I would say most broke people, NFL draftee or not, are people who can't seperate emotion from finance.

i.e. Most broke people are like you, HB! :p

[Honolulu_Blue]

i.e. Most broke people are like you, HB! :p

Broke people must be some charming-ass motherfuckers then! :)

[Chief Rum]

Again, great gesture and I hope he is a starter in the league for 15 years and taken in the top 10, I like the guy and will root for him, but I stand by my statement that this isn't a great financial decision.

Buying a car, period, is not a great financial decision.

Come to think of it, having kids isn't a great financial decision either.

There are lots of things that aren't great financial decisions.

[Lathum]

Buying a car, period, is not a great financial decision.

Come to think of it, having kids isn't a great financial decision either.

There are lots of things that aren't great financial decisions.

totally agree, and I would venture to say the majority of people who have both can't afford either, but they really want them or feel entitled to them so they have them anyway.

[NobodyHere]

So how much money does a person need to earn in order to give his mom an expensive gift? If not 1.08 million then what?

If I ever happened to earn that much I would have no problem whatsoever using 10% of a bonus to buy my parents a gift.

[molson]

Even after taxes I would think 2 MILLION dollars leaves enough for one "big" purchase. Now if he buys multiple houses as well then hes got a problem.

The biggest problem would be co-signing dozens of loans for friends and family members to finance risky business schemes. The "Antoine Walker problem".

Buying a car for his mom, that's pretty awesome.

[JPhillips]

the road to hell is paved with god intentions.

HERETIC!!!!

[Lathum]

So how much money does a person need to earn in order to give his mom an expensive gift? If not 1.08 million then what?

If I ever happened to earn that much I would have no problem whatsoever using 10% of a bonus to buy my parents a gift.

The problem is you don't know your future earning potential, you could be out of the league in 3 years.

The problem is you can't look at it as a bonus, you have to look at it as money you need to live off of the rest of your life, because the big NFL payday is far from an assurance.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Buying a car, period, is not a great financial decision.

Come to think of it, having kids isn't a great financial decision either.

There are lots of things that aren't great financial decisions.

Oh shi... I have two cars and two kids on the way.

I am like most broke people!

[Chief Rum]

Oh shi... I have two cars and two kids on the way.

I am like most broke people!

I think you'll be okay, since you're a lawyer, and presumeably well-paid. Only occupation more likely to be able to handle that would be, I don't know, maybe a professional athlete or sumfin like that.

[JAG]

he is at 1.08 mil

Take out the car for Mom and that puts him at about a million even. So he is using about 10% of his total worth at that time ( assuming he doesn't have any other income we don't know about), to buy a car for his Mom. Not smart.

I would say he would get about 500K/ year salary. Nice, but not huge, generational money.

If he is a bust and gone from the league in a few years that isn't a lot of money to build for your future.

I think if you gave any reasonable person 2-2.5M by age 26 (approximate age of busting and being out of the league), they could easily build for their future even with a 100k car purchase in there. It's not like he'll never get a job outside of QB in his life. I don't think you can make that leap with one purchase. Yes if he goes and buys another 10 cars sure.

[Dutch]

I don't necessarily have draft fatigue, but I do hope they stop messing with things that aren't broken in an effort to somehow improve their revenue. There is only a certain amount of change something you love can undertake before you begin to have trouble recognizing it. The things Goodell keeps talking about changing and actually changing are things that have been fine as-is for a long long time. They are part of what made the game what it was and they didn't need changing.

It reminds me in a way of women and men with body image issues who get plastic surgery on top of plastic surgery until they are so different from their original form that they become a whole other entity.

It also reminds me of our government, changing things that are unnecessary and leaving actual problems untouched.

I can't wait for Thursday night, but that is because I like the draft and I love football. I would have preferred to see it in April, however. On Saturday and Sunday. I like spending my weekend with the sport, not cramming the good parts in on a work night and leaving the boring stuff for when people actually have spare time to really enjoy it.

Agree with this whole post, Julio.

[stevew]

He should probably buy his mom a lightly used Chevy Cruz and then bid her adieu.

I'm sure he's getting some smaller checks from like underarmor. Or if not paying off 65k over 4-5 years is minor.

[Honolulu_Blue]

He should probably buy his mom a lightly used Chevy Cruz and then bid her adieu.

I'm sure he's getting some smaller checks from like underarmor. Or if not paying off 65k over 4-5 years is minor.

Maybe I could reach out to Teddy and offer him one of my "friends and family" discounts to help alleviate the financial burden. We'll get him into a GM car one way or another.

[Butter]

Chevy Cruz? Was he on Sabado Noche en Vivo?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Chevy Cruz? Was he on Sabado Noche en Vivo?

I thought he was a marginal outfield prospect with some AL team.

[stevew]

The Chevy Cruz is made in Canada with Cuban parts but is 100% unequivocally 'merican.

(I should probably know it's the Cruze since I live so close to lordstown)

[Chief Rum]

I thought he was a marginal outfield prospect with some AL team.

The Angels drafted that kid. I have no idea if he is still in the system, though. Nice pull.

[Julio Riddols]

I'm pretty sure if my gf can afford a 10,000 dollar car and a kid on 25k, Teddy can do a 65,000 dollar car on a mil.

My only qualm is that the Escalade is a waste of money in itself. Could have bought her a Civic or something and saved her some gas/maintenance money in the long term.

[Honolulu_Blue]

My only qualm is that the Escalade is a waste of money in itself. Could have bought her a Civic or something and saved her some gas/maintenance money in the long term.

Psh! He promised his mom a Pink Cadillac, not some crap-ass sedan.

That's like promising your fan base you'll be signing a franchise quarterback and then passing over Peyton Manning to sign John Skelton.

[stevew]

if his mom wanted a pink Cadillac she should have been a better Mary Kay salesperson.

[Julio Riddols]

Oh, I didn't know he promised a pink Cadillac. Bad parenting for her to let him think that was ok.

"Promise something better, son. Cadillacs suck and your mom deserves something that will survive, kind of like she has." Would have been my fatherly wisdom.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Oh, I didn't know he promised a pink Cadillac. Bad parenting for her to let him think that was ok.

"Promise something better, son. Cadillacs suck and your mom deserves something that will survive, kind of like she has." Would have been my fatherly wisdom.

You know nothing, Julio Riddols!

[stevew]

Just in case the late draft wasn't bad enough this year, the dildo in charge is thinking about moving it back several more weeks next year.

[Matthean]

Just in case the late draft wasn't bad enough this year, the dildo in charge is thinking about moving it back several more weeks next year.

It is going to get to a point where rookies will have a harder time getting up to speed before the season starts.

[Julio Riddols]

Fuck it, lets have the draft during the season. Right after the trade deadline. Lets make it so the drafted players aren't eligible to play until they memorize the NFL rulebook, and they have to spend the first 4 seasons of their career as refs who can only make calls against the team that drafted them.

Lets make the official halftime show a fight to the death for bonus money between the two youngest players on each team.

Lets make extra points worth 20 and touchdowns worth 1, and the extra point has to be kicked from 60 yards out by a donkey in an Eagles uniform.

[Suicane75]

Lets make extra points worth 20 and touchdowns worth 1, and the extra point has to be kicked from 60 yards out by a donkey in an Eagles uniform.

He's on the Jets now.

[Blackadar]

Proposed change in the NFL Draft format:

We need an NFL roundup where all the available players are released into an arena and the teams are horse mounted and rope their picks. It's a draft, combine and spectator event rolled into one.

[cartman]

Proposed change in the NFL Draft format:

We need an NFL roundup where all the available players are released into an arena and the teams are horse mounted and rope their picks. It's a draft, combine and spectator event rolled into one.

The Cowboys would have a built in advantage, as would the Buffalo Bills. The Broncos might never get a player, and in fact, might get 'drafted' by another team.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

The Manziel-Cowboys stuff makes sense in the Jerry way, but isn't romo starting the first year of a huge deal? Would they be hoping to have Johnny Football back up for three seasons or so?

[BillJasper]

Manziel makes zero sense for the Cowboys.

[SteveMax58]

Manziel makes zero sense for the Cowboys.
Which is why it makes perfect sense.

[NobodyHere]

The Manziel-Cowboys stuff makes sense in the Jerry way, but isn't romo starting the first year of a huge deal? Would they be hoping to have Johnny Football back up for three seasons or so?

Maybe they're using his back surgery as an excuse to move in a new direction, kind of like what the Colts did with Peyton Manning, who also signed a big contract before his injury.

[cartman]

Maybe they're using his back surgery as an excuse to move in a new direction, kind of like what the Colts did with Peyton Manning, who also signed a big contract before his injury.

They can't do anything with Romo for at least 3 years without taking a roster-killing cap hit. The Colts got rid of Manning before he was due a $28 million bonus.

[NobodyHere]

Peyton signed 5 year, $90 million contract in 2011. Yet the Colts turned out fine.

[NobodyHere]

I'm not saying it would be a smart move if Romo is able to play. I'm just saying that there is precedent.

[cartman]

The difference is basically the Cowboys and Romo are at the point the Colts and Manning would have been if they had paid Manning his $28 million bonus. With last year's extension, Romo got a $15 million bonus. Last month he restructured, and $12.5 million of his salary for this season was converted to bonus. If they cut him, all of that bonus money accelerates.

[Logan]

Romo would count as $42 million in dead money on their cap if traded. And this is a team already with no space. Any "analyst" who mentions a trade as a possibility should immediately be fired.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

The only ways drafting Manziel make sense are either to study for at least 2 more likely 3 seasons behind Romo, or blow up the entire team and rebuild around Manziel.

[BillJasper]

The only ways drafting Manziel make sense are either to study for at least 2 more likely 3 seasons behind Romo, or blow up the entire team and rebuild around Manziel.

But you're still stuck with Romo for a couple more seasons and would have limited cap space plus Garrett would be fired somewhere along the way. Not exactly the best circumstances for a rookie QB to be exposed to.

I hope Jerry Jones isn't that dumb.

[BillJasper]

I could see if a Jake Matthews or Mike Evans fell to 16 and the Cowboys being tempted to take one of them. But this isn't exactly an inept offensive team when healthy. They badly need help on defense.

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Yeah I mean I guess by "make sense" I meant "make even a shred of fiscal sense."

[QuikSand]

Manziel to Dallas rumor = pre-draft GOLD

[BillJasper]

Manziel to Dallas rumor = pre-draft GOLD

I think the only reason Jones would draft Manziel is if he's desperate for attention. But I think it's a non-issue because I believe Manziel will be gone by 16.

[Suicane75]

I don't expect it to happen, but as an Eagles fan I would be elated if they were able to get Bridgewater or Manziel.

[BillJasper]

I don't expect it to happen, but as an Eagles fan I would be elated if they were able to get Bridgewater or Manziel.

Not sold on Nick Foles?

[Desnudo]

I think the only reason Jones would draft Manziel is if he's desperate for attention. But I think it's a non-issue because I believe Manziel will be gone by 16.

Raiders trade back with Cowboys and take receiver with fastest 40 speed using the Patriots as a middle man who stockpiles draft picks. Mel Kiper's hair explodes

[Suicane75]

Not sold on Nick Foles?

I like Foles to a point, but no, I'm not sold on him as a franchise quarterback. I think both those guys are special talents.

[Desnudo]

Fuck it, lets have the draft during the season. Right after the trade deadline. Lets make it so the drafted players aren't eligible to play until they memorize the NFL rulebook, and they have to spend the first 4 seasons of their career as refs who can only make calls against the team that drafted them.

Lets make the official halftime show a fight to the death for bonus money between the two youngest players on each team.

Lets make extra points worth 20 and touchdowns worth 1, and the extra point has to be kicked from 60 yards out by a donkey in an Eagles uniform.

I propose an eighth round where each drafted player selects one of 32 footballs from a bin. 31 contain a guaranteed contract. One contains an IED.

[BillJasper]

I propose an eighth round where each drafted player selects one of 32 footballs from a bin. 31 contain a guaranteed contract. One contains an IED.

:lol:

[BillJasper]

I like Foles to a point, but no, I'm not sold on him as a franchise quarterback. I think both those guys are special talents.

I don't know about Foles, honestly. But wouldn't it be a hard sell to ditch a guy coming off a year where he threw 27 TD's with 2 Interceptions?

[JonInMiddleGA]

I propose an eighth round where each drafted player selects one of 32 footballs from a bin. 31 contain a guaranteed contract. One contains an IED.

Can we conduct that round with everyone in a pool filled with piranha, surrounded by ropes made of exploding barbed wire?

[Suicane75]

Of course, which is why I said I don't expect it. But I'm learning to not put anything past Chip Kelly.

[Logan]

Friendly reminder to stay the hell off Twitter tonight if you don't want the picks "spoiled". Even though the ESPN and NFLN guys won't be sending out picks, they'll come from other sources.

[JPhillips]

Any predictions for "your" team?

Bengals - Bradley Roby

[Ronnie Dobbs3]

Patriots trade back from their pick, take Dominique Easley in the second

[BillJasper]

Dolphins - Trade up for Zack Martin. Though I'd be happy to team Ebron up with Charles Clay at TE. Would give the Tannehill another nice target and limit how much defenses can focus on Wallace.

Hoping they can come away with Tre Mason from Auburn in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[TCY Junkie]

Manziel to Dallas rumor = pre-draft GOLD

I've been a Cowboys fan since a before Jimmy Johnson. When they were 1-15 I watched as I had hope for the future. I haven't been excited about a cowboys game in years and years. Last game I went to Aikman was holding on by a thread and the cowboys were headed south already. Thought I'd never go to a cowboys game again as long as Jerry was the owner. They just have no shot at winning it all. But if they drafted Manziel, I would go to see him play even if they couldn't afford 11 defensive guys. Pretty much sucks being a cowboys fan.

[BillJasper]

Charley Casserly definitely definitely knows about picking round one QB busts... :lol:

Casserly: Manziel “by far the most overrated player in the draft” | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/08/charley-casserly-manziel-by-far-the-most-overrated-player-in-the-draft/#comment-3346282)

[Logan]

Think the Niners could trade up for a WR like Beckam Jr, Cooks, or Lee or go with a CB like Dennard, Fuller, Verrett. A lot of teams ahead of them have needs at those positions, so waiting might not be smart, and they have "too many" premium picks as is.

[Chief Rum]

Can we conduct that round with everyone in a pool filled with piranha, surrounded by ropes made of exploding barbed wire?

Don't forget with sharks with laser beams.

[Chief Rum]

Dolphins - Trade up for Zack Martin. Though I'd be happy to team Ebron up with Charles Clay at TE. Would give the Tannehill another nice target and limit how much defenses can focus on Wallace.

Hoping they can come away with Tre Mason from Auburn in the 2nd or 3rd round.

I would have presumed the Fins would stay away from linemen named Martin, to be honest.

[Butter]

Any predictions for "your" team?

Bengals - Bradley Roby

I do not like Roby. I would prefer a different CB or even Ryan Shazier.

[JPhillips]

I do not like Roby. I would prefer a different CB or even Ryan Shazier.

I'm torn. Sometimes Roby looks great and sometimes he's terrible. I'd prefer Gilbert or Denard, but they'll both probably be gone. Marvin's been clearly hinting CB and generally the Bengals don't do smokescreens.

[Buccaneer]

Patriots - DL, probably Hageman.

[Apathetic Lurker]

It is going to get to a point where rookies will have a harder time getting up to speed before the season starts.

They are planning something......Probably during the next CBA....Have a threshold for rookie production(which they wont reach since the draft will be 2 or 3 weeks prior to the season starting) and if they don't get to a certain point they get another team option year..Keeping them away from that oh-so-lucrative 2nd contract for another year.

[Apathetic Lurker]

Lets make the official halftime show a fight to the death for bonus money between the two youngest players on each team.



Owners wouldn't go for it....Its during the oh so very important pee and overpriced beer break

[Izulde]

It's going to be an unsexy draft for Miami I bet. OL, OL, OL.

I'll be most interested in the UDFA pool to see where Caleb Herring goes.

[Travis]

Seahawks, trade back from 32, DE/Leo with the pick they drop to (assuming upper half of round 2), drop down from 64 then G/T, WR, OLB in rounds 3/4 (I'm assuming they'll end up with 3 picks in these rounds due to the trade downs).

By the time the draft is done, I'm expecting them to have drafted WR, OLx2, DLx2, LB, CB for sure with another LB and a S (maybe a TE) in there if they can accumulate enough picks to do so. If they can find the trade partners it seems like they prefer to get into the 9-10 pick range each draft. Then a crazy scramble for UDFA.

In other words, waited this damn long for the draft, why not wait another day before they make any picks.

[Thomkal]

I think my beloved Cardinals go with the best player on the board-probably on defense, likely a LB or CB, then get a QB in the second round if there are any left they like. Expect them to get at least one LB, two DB's, a WR, a DE or DT, and either an OLineman to protect Palmer or a QB to be his replacement.

[cartman]

Jerry Jones pulls off a trade to move up to take Manziel that is a combination of what Minnesota gave up to get Herchel Walker and what the Saints gave up to get Ricky Williams.

[mckerney]

Minnesota takes someone from Notre Dame. Will continue to not have a franchise QB, or anyone that's decent at the position for more than a season or two, for the next decade.

[mckerney]

Looks like Vikings owners may want Manziel.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Football is still a possibility for <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Vikings&amp;src=hash">#Vikings</a> at No. 8. Owners are flying in for a late, pre-draft meeting where the call will be made</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/464485569905831937">May 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Vince, Pt. II]

49ers have 11 picks. Smart money is on them continuing their Patriot-esque strategy of punting picks now for future picks because there's no way 11 rookies make this team.

Needs are generally WR and DB, and some local sources are saying they may trade up in the first if they see someone they like slip a little. They certainly have the resources to do it. Outside of that, they could probably use depth/young talent to step up on both sides of the line. With Aldon Smith seeming to get in trouble at every turn and Justin Smith getting old, the D Line is a more pressing need than the O-Line.

Other rumors I've heard:

-Harbaugh likes David Fales, the San Jose State QB. Could be a 5th round pick or so for them.
-If the 49ers trade up, WR Odell Beckham is their likely target.
-If the 49ers don't trade up, rumor has it that CB Stanley Jean-Baptiste is the pick.

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm hoping Donald or Pryor remain on the board at 14.

And I'm hoping Emery doesn't get cute. If either of those two are on the board, grab 'em.

[Matthean]

Looks like Vikings owners may want Manziel.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Football is still a possibility for <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Vikings&amp;src=hash">#Vikings</a> at No. 8. Owners are flying in for a late, pre-draft meeting where the call will be made</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/464485569905831937">May 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I don't think he's there at 8. There's too much smoke coming from Cleveland to make me think he gets past them. I think they began rebuilding their team around a more diverse offense last year when they dumped Richardson.

[Logan]

I don't think he's there at 8. There's too much smoke coming from Cleveland to make me think he gets past them. I think they began rebuilding their team around a more diverse offense last year when they dumped Richardson.

Jay Glazer said there is no chance the Browns take Manziel at #4. Now, he said "at #4" which leaves open the possibility of them taking him later. But apparently it's such a lock that it doesn't happen, that ESPN took down an article by Mortensen who had just come out saying there was no way Manziel got past the Browns at 4.

Jay Glazer causes ESPN to delete Johnny Manziel Browns report | Awful Announcing (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/jay-glazer-causes-espn-to-delete-johnny-manziel-browns-report.html)

[JPhillips]

Looks like Vikings owners may want Manziel.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Football is still a possibility for <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Vikings&amp;src=hash">#Vikings</a> at No. 8. Owners are flying in for a late, pre-draft meeting where the call will be made</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/464485569905831937">May 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Zimmer and Manziel can not possibly work.

[Logan]

Twitter buzz that Ryan Mallett to the Texans could be close.

[bulletsponge]

Looks like Vikings owners may want Manziel.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Johnny Football is still a possibility for <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Vikings&amp;src=hash">#Vikings</a> at No. 8. Owners are flying in for a late, pre-draft meeting where the call will be made</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/statuses/464485569905831937">May 8, 2014</a></blockquote>
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crap. anytime the owners want to make the decision its always to increase ticket sales and jersey sales

[Desnudo]

Mallet isn't very good

[Desnudo]

Patriots - DL, probably Hageman.

If bridgewater falls to the end of the round they should take him.

[mckerney]

crap. anytime the owners want to make the decision its always to increase ticket sales and jersey sales

May still be a better idea than letting Spielman make the pick.

[DaddyTorgo]

Twitter buzz that Ryan Mallett to the Texans could be close.

Hopefully they get a pick in the first few rounds for him, since that to me would indicate that the Texans want to use him as a starter (otherwise they'd just draft a rookie to start). What do I mean by "few?" I dunno.

[stevew]

Wonder if it will be more than Pats and Texans swap 3rds for Mallet.

Pick 65 for like pick 92.

[General Mike]

I think Oakland takes Johnny Football at 5.

[Danny]

I think Oakland takes Johnny Football at 5.

No chance

[sabotai]

My top 5 for who I want the Giants to take. I had wanted to spend a ton of time this week watching Youtube videos of a bunch of players, but a week long epic migraine had me in bed most of the week (I suppose I was overdue for one :( ), so I'm going off mostly what I've read about these players from other people (and not counting any players who are definitely not going to be at 12)...

1) DT Aaron Donald - Undersized and might get pushed around, but if he hits, he'll hit big as a 3 Tech DT (lining up on the outside shoulder of Guard). Plus, with playing two teams that love options plays (Eagles and Redskins) in the division, quickness in the DL might be more important than size. I think he'll be great, but I think he also has a big chance to bust. Being that picks get much less money than they used to, it's worth the risk IMO to swing for the fences.

2) WR Mike Evans - I am not sold on Randle, nor do I think any of the rest of the WRs the Giants have not named Victor Cruz can be anything more than a #3 WR at best. I understand the Giants need OL help, but they also had key injuries (Baas and Snee), and Pugh developed very well, quicker than expected. It usually takes a year or two for an OL to make the transition to the pros, and Evans can come in and be a starter right away, that's why I lean towards them taking Evans over any of the OL that are projected to still be around at 12.

3) S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix - Rolle's contract is up soon, Will Hill failed another drug test and Stevie Brown is coming off an ACL injury. Could use some security at the safety spot.

4) WR Odell Beckham Jr - Someone who would be great as a slot receiver. Same as what I said with Evans, I think the Giants are very weak at WR outside of Cruz. They may end up regretting letting Nicks go. That said, I hope I'm wrong about Randle.

5) OL Zack Martin - If those 4 are gone, they should go OL. They went tackle last year, and I don't think a "can't miss LT" will fall to 12 so they should go Guard to play opposite of Snee.

Back up plan: Eric Ebron. If those 5 are gone, and maybe the rest of the top projected OL....sure, go for the high maintenance TE and hope for the best.

Like I said, didn't do nearly as much reading and scouting on these guys that I would have liked. From what I've read though, I'll be happy if the Giants can get any of the above 5.

[Danny]

I highly doubt the Raiders go QB round 1, but if they do, it will be a more traditional guy like Bortles, Bridgewater or Carr.

[BillJasper]

No chance

I agree. McKenzie and Allen are trying to save their jobs. They are taking someone they can put in the starting lineup immediately.

[General Mike]

I agree. McKenzie and Allen are trying to save their jobs. They are taking someone they can put in the starting lineup immediately.

Al Davis Jr. doesn't care about their jobs and will overrule them.

[NobodyHere]

To me it doesn't make sense that the Raiders would trade for Schaub and then use a top pick on Johnny Football.

Then again this is the raiders

[BillJasper]

Watching NFL Network coverage. It's obvious Deion Sanders doesn't understand the salary cap.

[BillJasper]

Zimmer and Manziel can not possibly work.

If Vikings go QB and it is Zimmer's call, he'll take Bridgewater.

[MizzouRah]

I'm pretty much alone in my Rams thoughts.. but I love LB Khalil Mack at #2 and would then push Laurenitis outside or use Mack outside, either way and with Ogletree, wow what a LB core that is.

Then take the best OT at #13.

[Grover]

I've avoided all draft television until today.

Is there anybody other than Johnny Manziell in this draft? Seriously? ESPN and NFL Network are both guilty of this.

[Warhammer]

I'm pretty much alone in my Rams thoughts.. but I love LB Khalil Mack at #2 and would then push Laurenitis outside or use Mack outside, either way and with Ogletree, wow what a LB core that is.

Then take the best OT at #13.

You're not alone. I think we can get a great OL piece at #13. At #2, I want WR or Mack. I do not want Clowney.

[Buccaneer]

I thought I was being clever by calling Clowney 'Clown Jerk' but my son came up with 'Punk Clown'. Once the top couple picks get out of the way, it'll be interesting to see where the QBs end up.

[digamma]

Is it the dreadlocks or the tattoo that made it clever?

[Suicane75]

Could be his general attitude the past 2 years.

[Buccaneer]

Attitude, work ethic and arrogant self-entitlement.

[stevew]

Some of these dudes are way too fringe first rounders to show up IMO.

[kingfc22]

Full introductions. Geez. Way to overproduce EVERYTHING NFL.

[digamma]

I've actually never heard him interviewed or read many quotes from him. I'm assuming we're driving this bus back and forth over him based on two speeding tickets and whatever happened before the Kentucky game he didn't play in last season with Spurrier?

Or a quote about Nick Saban from three years ago?

Or what a college message board guy says?

[BillJasper]

Some of these dudes are way too fringe first rounders to show up IMO.

Yeah. I imagine a lot of them will be waiting well into tomorrow.

[BillJasper]

I've actually never heard him interviewed or read many quotes from him. I'm assuming we're driving this bus back and forth over him based on two speeding tickets and whatever happened before the Kentucky game he didn't play in last season with Spurrier?

Or a quote about Nick Saban from three years ago?

Or what a college message board guy says?

Or the fact that he wasn't anywhere near the player in 2013 that he was in 2012?

[DaddyTorgo]

Who was it on here who had a friend who was his HS coach or whatever? CU Tiger? Someone else?

[Buccaneer]

I would say it is the propensity for ESPN to waaaayyyy overproduce and overhype to the point that it's unwatchable. They're the ones making the money on the ratings.

[Logan]

Since I was about 23, I started thinking...maybe this is finally the year where I look older than 5% of these 20-21 year olds getting drafted. I'm be 31 this year and still not even close.

[MizzouRah]

You're not alone. I think we can get a great OL piece at #13. At #2, I want WR or Mack. I do not want Clowney.

Me too.. Mack or Watkins.. I'm fine with either.

[BillJasper]

Who was it on here who had a friend who was his HS coach or whatever? CU Tiger? Someone else?

I believe it was CU Tiger who had a friend who had coached (maybe?) Clowney and said the guy was a total douche. Which is okay. I think teams have valid concerns about how much effort the guy is going to give once he gets paid based on his 2013 performance (or lack of).

[BillJasper]

I would say it is the propensity for ESPN to waaaayyyy overproduce and overhype to the point that it's unwatchable. They're the ones making the money on the ratings.

NFL Network is treating it like the fucking Oscars.

[Buccaneer]

DT, it's probably in nfl off-season thread. Maybe someone bring digamma up to date.

[Suicane75]

I've actually never heard him interviewed or read many quotes from him. I'm assuming we're driving this bus back and forth over him based on two speeding tickets and whatever happened before the Kentucky game he didn't play in last season with Spurrier?

Or a quote about Nick Saban from three years ago?

Or what a college message board guy says?

Or how about just about every public thing he's done since he made the sack on new years day 2 years ago. That and he kinda didn't have a particularly good year last year.

[Buccaneer]

Not ESPN? My bad.

[sabotai]

Since I was about 23, I started thinking...maybe this is finally the year where I look older than 5% of these 20-21 year olds getting drafted. I'm be 31 this year and still not even close.

#HumbleBrag

[Logan]

CU also said there was no chance Clowney would be playing in the bowl game cause they were waiting to announce him not being academically eligible. I don't think he's lying to us but I wouldn't be surprised if Clemson boosters that he speaks to spread tons of shit around about South Carolina players.

[Logan]

#HumbleBrag

Ha quite the opposite actually.

[BillJasper]

CU also said there was no chance Clowney would be playing in the bowl game cause they were waiting to announce him not being academically eligible. I don't think he's lying to us but I wouldn't be surprised if Clemson boosters that he speaks to spread tons of shit around about South Carolina players.

Possible. But my opinion of Clowney is based more on the fact that the did a definite disappearing act in 2013.

[sabotai]

Finally....

[Matthean]

Jay Glazer said there is no chance the Browns take Manziel at #4. Now, he said "at #4" which leaves open the possibility of them taking him later. But apparently it's such a lock that it doesn't happen, that ESPN took down an article by Mortensen who had just come out saying there was no way Manziel got past the Browns at 4.

Jay Glazer causes ESPN to delete Johnny Manziel Browns report | Awful Announcing (http://awfulannouncing.com/2014/jay-glazer-causes-espn-to-delete-johnny-manziel-browns-report.html)

And ESPN now puts up this article.

Mike Pettine, Cleveland Browns coach, says it will be tough to unseat Brian Hoyer - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10901349/mike-pettine-cleveland-browns-coach-says-tough-unseat-brian-hoyer)

[sabotai]

So I had turned on the Canadians vs. Bruins for a bit and flipped back just now. I heard Berman or someone say "We've had the Anthem, now we start the draft" or something like that.

Did they really sing the National Anthem for this?

[stevew]

Oh yeah. Of course they did

[stevew]

NFL network or ESPN. What better

[BillJasper]

NFL network or ESPN. What better

I'm watching NFL Network. But it's really a lose/lose proposition. :lol:

[cartman]

They aren't booing the commish. They are saying "Goooo-dell"

[stevew]

I was hoping Berman would retire by now

[bulletsponge]

bout time the draft started

[stevew]

I'm da man I'm da man I'm da man. Yes I am yes I am yes I am yes I am.

[sabotai]

It feels fitting that the NFL Network cuts right to commercial immediately after Goodell announced the start of the draft.

[chadritt]

Still at work...its going to be an hour before the Falcons finally pick isnt it?

[Logan]

I'm watching NFL Network. But it's really a lose/lose proposition. :lol:

Berman is the worst. NFLN by default.

[sabotai]

Still at work...its going to be an hour before the Falcons finally pick isnt it?

Maybe. Teams get 10 minutes instead of 15 this year. Unless there's a quick pick or two (read: as long as every team ahead of ATL takes all 10 minutes), about an hour until ATL's pick.

[chadritt]

damn. I was hoping to know who they picked before my meeting.

[bulletsponge]

wow Gruden wants houston to take a QB! im shocked! seriously gruden would have 10 QB's on his team if given a choice

[stevew]

Berman is the worst. NFLN by default.

I like Kiper.

[BillJasper]

I like Kiper.

I actually like Steve Mariucci.

[stevew]

Anthony Bennett!!

Whoa!!

[Abe Sargent]

Start your Clowney jacking now.

[claphamsa]

shocked thats how the name is pronounced :)

[bulletsponge]

well nflnetwork didnt spoil the pick by showing the green room beforehand, so ill watch them

[Suicane75]

I wish there was a button I could press that would mute my tv until Goodell started talking.

[BillJasper]

Start your Clowney jacking now.

I'm sweating right now if I'm Andrew Luck, if the Texans got the 2012 version of Clowney.

[PurdueBrad]

I have to agree with Kiper that it was a had to make pick. The guy that'll go in the top 10 that I would be most excited about landing would be Sammy Watkins though.

[stevew]

Watt or Clowney. Pick ur poison.

[sabotai]

Goodell is frickin' slow. The pick has been in for 2 1/2 minutes already.

[BillJasper]

Safe pick for the Rams.

[stevew]

I love how they all acted omnipresent even though the Robinson pick was spoiled 7 minutes ago.

[Matthean]

I don't think this gets interesting until at least pick 4 or more likely 5.

[Solecismic]

In some ways, this pick is the most interesting one. Jacksonville is probably going QB, and Manziel seems like a good choice. But he might be pulling an Eli.

Berman was interesting for about two seconds 30 years ago. I guess he knows where all the bodies are buried.

[Abe Sargent]

WTF Jacksonville?

[Matthean]

I don't think this gets interesting until at least pick 4 or more likely 5.

Or I could be wrong. :lol:

[Thomkal]

and there's the first shock of the evening

[Abe Sargent]

You are PISSING ME OFF JAGUARS

[cartman]

The Jags took the player with the highest WAG rating

[Izulde]

Wow! Jaguars with the first shocking pick

[mckerney]

I really hope it's discovered that a typo was made and his last name it's actually Bottles.

[sabotai]

And now this is the point where everyone's mock draft gets blowed the fuck up.

[BillJasper]

Just not much in the way of skill position pieces around Bortles in Jacksonville. Seems like this may be a 'long-view' pick who won't play this year.

[stevew]

Bortles is a good pick.

[bulletsponge]

trade!

[BillJasper]

Bills move up to #4.

[Solecismic]

And now is the second point. Buffalo is going LB?

[Matthean]

Nothing says the current state of the franchise like the words "Jags can't break Twitter"! - KC Joyner

.

[BillJasper]

And now is the second point. Buffalo is going LB?

Mack could be great paired with Alonzo.

[Lathum]

Has to be Mack

[Solecismic]

My guess is that Cleveland likes Teddy B, and figures he'll slide. They'll think about trading down again.

[Matthean]

Just not much in the way of skill position pieces around Bortles in Jacksonville. Seems like this may be a 'long-view' pick who won't play this year.

They have the veteran QB to let him sit. They know this isn't a quick fix.