College Football Week 2 discussion

[CU Tiger]

Never Change Coach Muschamp (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11449169/florida-coach-muschamp-reinstates-three-suspended-players-opener-washed-out)

[flounder]

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[tarcone]

Shoot, its the minors, why sit them at all?
University sanctions? Thats school stuff, Suspend him from class. This is football.

[cartman]

Only two Top 25 matchups this weekend:

Michigan State at Oregon
USC at Stanford

[Matthean]

Only two Top 25 matchups this weekend:

Michigan State at Oregon
USC at Stanford

I'll add Michigan @ ND. This is the last in the series until further notice. Neither team has an excuse to play poorly. The winner will by default be of some importance during the rest of the year. With ND missing MSU this year, a win here could could make a New Year's Day bowl a rather easy sell. If Michigan wins, they could be making a case of being the best in the Big Ten outside of MSU. This is really one of only three real possible losses for them and that's including a now much weaker OSU.

[Lathum]

Only two Top 25 matchups this weekend:

Michigan State at Oregon
USC at Stanford

2 monster early season games with 4 teams that could be in the playoff hunt.

[BillJasper]

2 monster early season games with 4 teams that could be in the playoff hunt.

Michigan State at Oregon really is a playoff game!

[tarcone]

Iowa hosts Ball State. Need to fix some things on defense, esp. with Pitt looming.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Excited about Mizzou's road trip to Toledo. They're a very experienced team and it should be a great test for the young Tigers. Looks like the current line is varying 4-6 points in favor of Mizzou right now.

[Umbrella]

Virginia Tech at Ohio St. could be interesting as well.

[General Mike]

This is really one of only three real possible losses for them and that's including a now much weaker OSU.

You're nuts.

[NobodyHere]

I'm thinking of going to the Missouri-Toledo game this weekend.

Go Rockets :)

[tarcone]

You're nuts.

Agree

[Matthean]

You're nuts.

Well it certainly isn't Rutgers being the loss. :D PSU is a very maybe, but that's not a deep team so any real injuries could derail them, and I'm not sure how high their ceiling is anyway. Maryland is interesting, but let's wait and see more than just James Madison being on the schedule. Add in it being at Michigan, and Maryland playing OSU, Iowa, @Wisconsin, @PSU, MSU, and then @Michigan. Considering there is no bye week before the Michigan game, I have to wonder how much they will have in the tank for that game. Also consider Michigan has Indiana, NW, and then a bye week before the game. I pegged Michigan 8-4 for the season. With Miller being out, 10-2 isn't that crazy.

[Butter]

You're nuts.

Agree

Thirded.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm thinking of going to the Missouri-Toledo game this weekend.

Go Rockets :)

You a Toledo fan? I'm guessing you're too young to remember his good years there at Toledo, but thought I'd ask.

[Kodos]

I'm thinking of going to the Missouri-Toledo game this weekend.

Go Rockets :)

So say we all!

[Kodos]

Also consider Michigan has Indiana, NW, and then a bye week before the game.

We will BURY you!*












































* I hope.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

So say we all!

You'll get yours on September 20th. Wait your turn.

[Kodos]

Yep. Hoping we can give you a better game this year.

[MacroGuru]

Only two Top 25 matchups this weekend:

Michigan State at Oregon
USC at Stanford

Cartman, wish work wouldn't have screwed me this weekend in regards to my requested vacation.

Anyways, I think it is going to be a great game and throw in Ash being out and your starting C out of the game, I have gone from we are going to get destroyed to this will be a slug fest.

Enjoy the game! I will be watching from a ballroom in Peoria, IL

[Kodos]

Really looking forward to MSU @ Oregon. The Spartans have become my second-favorite in the Big Ten. Love how they play.

[cartman]

Cartman, wish work wouldn't have screwed me this weekend in regards to my requested vacation.

Anyways, I think it is going to be a great game and throw in Ash being out and your starting C out of the game, I have gone from we are going to get destroyed to this will be a slug fest.

Enjoy the game! I will be watching from a ballroom in Peoria, IL

I was very pleased with how the Texas defense played last weekend. I don't think we'll see a repeat of BYU running wild. :D

As for the QB situation, that is going to determine the game. Having the C out definitely hurts, as he was by far the most experienced lineman. On the plus side, the new C and QB should be familiar with each other, since they have been on the 2nd team together. I'd also be surprised if the coaching staff hadn't planned for Ash not being there, considering how many games he missed last season. I'm sure that BYU is going to stack the box to stop the run, and how Swoopes handles that will be key.

[BYU 14]

Cartman, wish work wouldn't have screwed me this weekend in regards to my requested vacation.

Anyways, I think it is going to be a great game and throw in Ash being out and your starting C out of the game, I have gone from we are going to get destroyed to this will be a slug fest.

Enjoy the game! I will be watching from a ballroom in Peoria, IL

I was very pleased with how the Texas defense played last weekend. I don't think we'll see a repeat of BYU running wild. :D

As for the QB situation, that is going to determine the game. Having the C out definitely hurts, as he was by far the most experienced lineman. On the plus side, the new C and QB should be familiar with each other, since they have been on the 2nd team together. I'd also be surprised if the coaching staff hadn't planned for Ash not being there, considering how many games he missed last season. I'm sure that BYU is going to stack the box to stop the run, and how Swoopes handles that will be key.

Yeah I would have loved to have made it too, should be a really good game, but at least it is not on Friday so I can watch it live.

Just saw Strong kicked two more offensive linemen off the team today, both tackles. That means the UT line will have 4 or 5 career starts between them Saturday. Texas is not going to get shredded like they did last year for sure, their defense looked much faster and aggressive in game 1, but I don't see them putting up more than 17 points on BYU offensively.

It is going to be a physical game, hopefully Taysom has the time to throw he did against UConn because BYU is will be much better on the outside with Blackmon back from suspension, Leslie at 100% and Matthews creating physical mismatches at 6'6. We need all three of these guys to ball to win.

[cartman]

Just saw Strong kicked two more offensive linemen off the team today, both tackles. That means the UT line will have 4 or 5 career starts between them Saturday.

One of them was suspended for the North Texas game as well. He was supposed to get back on the field this weekend, but obviously messed up again.

[Matthean]

ND and OSU do a home and home series in 2022-2023.

[tarcone]

I hope Sparty spanks the Duck. :)

[Matthean]

I hope Sparty spanks the Duck. :)

It is going to be interesting due to Oregon's lack of ability to beat physical teams, and MSU's lack of playing against top tier spread teams.

[dawgfan]

I'm going to be rooting for the state of Michigan this weekend, that's for sure.

[NobodyHere]

You a Toledo fan? I'm guessing you're too young to remember his good years there at Toledo, but thought I'd ask.

Pfffft, Pinkel is not even the best SEC that formerly coached at Toledo.

[CU Tiger]

Tusculum allowed minus-100 total yards and minus-124 yards rushing to set NCAA single-game records in both categories Thursday night in a 71-0 victory over the College of Faith in Greeneville, Tennessee.

Tusculum (1-0), a Division II school, had three safeties, which tied a D-II mark, according to the Pioneers' website.

The previous record for fewest total yards allowed was minus-69, by Division II school Fort Valley State against Miles in 1993. The previous record for fewest yards rushing allowed was minus-112, by Division III program Coast Guard against Wesleyan (Connecticut) in 1989. Fort Valley State also had three safeties against Miles in '93.

[BishopMVP]

This Pitt WR (Tyler Boyd) is legit... I won't be surprised to see him go 1st round in 2 years.

[panerd]

Pfffft, Pinkel is not even the best SEC that formerly coached at Toledo.

Yep. Saban actually got him the job there, they were college teammates at Bowling Green. It's crazy when you think about the staff that Saban joined on the Browns with Bill Bellicheck. A real testament to giving guys more than only a few years before cleaning house.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Pfffft, Pinkel is not even the best SEC that formerly coached at Toledo.

Pinkel is the Rockets’ all-time winningest coach, going 73-37-3 in 10 seasons from 1991-2000 before taking the Tigers’ reins.

:)

[JPhillips]

Tusculum allowed minus-100 total yards and minus-124 yards rushing to set NCAA single-game records in both categories Thursday night in a 71-0 victory over the College of Faith in Greeneville, Tennessee.

Tusculum (1-0), a Division II school, had three safeties, which tied a D-II mark, according to the Pioneers' website.

The previous record for fewest total yards allowed was minus-69, by Division II school Fort Valley State against Miles in 1993. The previous record for fewest yards rushing allowed was minus-112, by Division III program Coast Guard against Wesleyan (Connecticut) in 1989. Fort Valley State also had three safeties against Miles in '93.

Pretty convincing that faith without works is not enough.

[Lathum]

Wow, Oregon is 12.5 favorites over MSU. Seems like a huge number

[Matthean]

Wow, Oregon is 12.5 favorites over MSU. Seems like a huge number

Seems like an easy bet for MSU. I think one thing going against MSU is it being on the road and Big Ten/Pac 12 games tend to swing towards the home team.

[BishopMVP]

SBNation still doing some nice longform journalism, this one about the perils of recruiting. The Hargrave Four: They were all destined for NFL stardom, until everything fell apart - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/longform/2014/7/29/5936803/the-hargrave-four-every-member-of-the-schools-defensive-line-was)

[NobodyHere]

Yep. Saban actually got him the job there, they were college teammates at Bowling Green. It's crazy when you think about the staff that Saban joined on the Browns with Bill Bellicheck. A real testament to giving guys more than only a few years before cleaning house.
I read on Wikipedia that Urban Meyer tried to get on Saban's Toledo staff but was turned down. College football coaching is fascinating stuff.

[Lathum]

Lol @ Washington state

[BillJasper]

Six different channels (at least) showing games and not one of them worth watching.

[Umbrella]

McNeese St. trying to go for the early candidate for upset of the year.

[TroyF]

What on Earth was #21 doing there. Leading with your shoulder in that situation? Seriously? What's funny is the announcers are spending five minutes talking about the team speed of Nebraska vs. McNeese St. . . that wasn't a team speed play. That was a brain dead defensive back making one of the single worst plays I have ever seen in a football game.

[Umbrella]

Yeah. That will be a tough play to watch during the film session.

[BishopMVP]

Ping Dr. Sak again. 2 separate plays in the first 5 minutes here at UMass.

Opening kickoff bounces off a players facemask OOB at the 7... Refs say there was no possession, give it to them at the 35? (I guess maybe that works by the letter of the rule?)

2nd play, it's 3rd & 12, UMass gets called for defensive holding. The refs spot it as 10 yards and 3rd and 2? (After initially calling it 4th&2, then huddling.) No way that ones right, is it? I mean, worked in our favor it wasn't an automatic 1st down, but confused our D so much they just ran for the 1st.

[BishopMVP]

Don't want to jinx it (like we're not going to lose anyway), but UMass is actually beating a BCS team at halftime!

And fwiw we might have a legit NFL TE that Whipple picked up from JUCO ranks thru his Miami connections. He got cleared 3 days ago and has 2 TD catches, including a potential Top 10 play.

[cuervo72]

UPSET ALERT

#14 USC 10 - #13 Stanford 10

Seriously - fuck off, ESPN.

[bhlloy]

Whatever the result, David Shaw is a pretty terrible offensive coach. A Harbaugh coached team would be up by 20 right now

[MrBug708]

I hope Sark and Haden get fined.

[BillJasper]

Whatever the result, David Shaw is a pretty terrible offensive coach. A Harbaugh coached team would be up by 20 right now

Seems like he's allergic to FG's. Kevin Hogan is no where near ready or talented enough to be an NFL QB.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

A big thanks to a certain betting site along with Vegas for the 4 point line in the Mizzou game. Easiest $200 I've ever made.

[Eaglesfan27]

Not a pretty win but that was one of the most thrilling regular season USC wins ever for me.

[Lathum]

I hope Sark and Haden get fined.

What happened?

[Eaglesfan27]

What happened?

Bug being Bug. They argued with an official. Nothing worth getting fined over. Hayes Pullard on the other hand had a bone headed play and earned his ejection. :(

[Karlifornia]

Pat Haden, USC AD, got texted by Sarkisian to come down to the field after Sark was given an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for yelling the refs. Haden proceeded to argue with officials during a tv timeout. Pretty weird behavior.

I can't believe Stanford dropped the game like that. I feel like Dennis Green post Bears game. Ugh. That one stings. Congrats to USC.

[JonInMiddleGA]

The controversial part of that Haden deal will probably be his involvement while also being on the selection committee.

Right, wrong, good, bad, that seems to be the narrative that's developing in coverage of the incident.

If there's another situation that raises an eyebrow I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being replaced on the selection committee (probably via a "resignation")

[kingfc22]

Big 10 is BAD

[JonInMiddleGA]

Okay, how was that not an ejection on the Mich State punt return?

[JPhillips]

Yeah, the OSU defense isn't that good. Great pass rush, but terrible in coverage.

[cartman]

BYU is taking over the game. The green and cobbled together O-line for Texas can't do anything.

[MacroGuru]

BYU is taking over the game. The green and cobbled together O-line for Texas can't do anything.

WOW is all I can say....

[TroyF]

Pat Haden, USC AD, got texted by Sarkisian to come down to the field after Sark was given an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for yelling the refs. Haden proceeded to argue with officials during a tv timeout. Pretty weird behavior.

I can't believe Stanford dropped the game like that. I feel like Dennis Green post Bears game. Ugh. That one stings. Congrats to USC.

Beyond strange behavior. A lot of words describe it. . . unprofessional is one. Horrible judgement from not one, but TWO USC staff members. It isn't a firing offense, but I would hope the school I cheered for didn't behave in that way. Haden is a classy guy too, it was a shock for me to see him act so poorly.

I agree with Jon, the end game here is he resigns from his spot on the playoff selection group.

[TroyF]

As for the games:

Va Tech playing well, but how many times has OSU looked like garbage one half and lit someone up the second half? 60 minutes Hokies, 60 minutes.

Oregon looked good. I think it's good for them that they were actually punched in the mouth and had to respond. Usually the first time that happens to them is late in the year and they don't respond well. Michigan State had that game right where they wanted it and the Ducks stepped up and ran them off the field.

The Big 10 as a group looks really, really bad. We may be witnessing the end of their playoff chances happen this week. If Ohio State ends up losing here, I don't see how any Big 10 team can get into the playoff with a loss. I guess Iowa could surprise or Penn St/Nebraska could get hot. After watching both this year, I don't really think that happens.

Honestly, the PAC 12 doesn't look much better. Oregon is clearly the class of that conference by a mile. Now it's up to them to see if they can actually finish this time.

[Cap Ologist]

Beyond strange behavior. A lot of words describe it. . . unprofessional is one. Horrible judgement from not one, but TWO USC staff members. It isn't a firing offense, but I would hope the school I cheered for didn't behave in that way. Haden is a classy guy too, it was a shock for me to see him act so poorly.

I agree with Jon, the end game here is he resigns from his spot on the playoff selection group.

Whenever you do something Jerry Jones hasn't done during a football game, you're judgment has to be questioned. ;)

[bob]

Suck it, Michigan.

[MacroGuru]

41-7, I would have never thought BYU would have gone into Austin and done something like that.

[cartman]

41-7, I would have never thought BYU would have gone into Austin and done something like that.

Me either, especially when it was 6-0 at halftime. That 3rd quarter was just horrendous for Texas. While BYU was scoring 28 straight, the Texas offense was on the field for a total of 7 plays during that scoring run.

[Dr. Sak]

Ping Dr. Sak again. 2 separate plays in the first 5 minutes here at UMass.

Opening kickoff bounces off a players facemask OOB at the 7... Refs say there was no possession, give it to them at the 35? (I guess maybe that works by the letter of the rule?)

2nd play, it's 3rd & 12, UMass gets called for defensive holding. The refs spot it as 10 yards and 3rd and 2? (After initially calling it 4th&2, then huddling.) No way that ones right, is it? I mean, worked in our favor it wasn't an automatic 1st down, but confused our D so much they just ran for the 1st.

In your first one, I would guess that they didn't see the touching by the receiving team and that's why a kick out of bounds was called. Possession doesn't matter, if it is touched by R and goes OOB no KOB. If K touches it then goes out of bounds then you have a KOB.

Your second question is ALWAYS a test question. Defensive holding only carries an automatic first down if the subsequent pass crosses the line of scrimmage. If there is a sack or the pass is completed behind the LOS, it is a 10 yd penalty only no automatic 1st.

[JPhillips]

Your second question is ALWAYS a test question. Defensive holding only carries an automatic first down if the subsequent pass crosses the line of scrimmage. If there is a sack or the pass is completed behind the LOS, it is a 10 yd penalty only no automatic 1st.

And now I've learned something new. Thanks.

[Julio Riddols]

Am I the only one that didn't see a big problem with the USC sideline thing?

They were asking what the personal foul was about apparently.. It is weird to be sure, but I don't sense any kind of collusion or anything else.

Stanford really fucked themselves by being so conservative inside the 25 though.

[Matthean]

We may be witnessing the end of their playoff chances happen this week.

May? The conference couldn't have a bigger fork in it's back.

[TroyF]

Am I the only one that didn't see a big problem with the USC sideline thing?

They were asking what the personal foul was about apparently.. It is weird to be sure, but I don't sense any kind of collusion or anything else.

Stanford really fucked themselves by being so conservative inside the 25 though.

Everyone keeps saying it was about the personal foul, but I don't see how that can be the case.

1) The foul happened AFTER the initial confrontation between Sark and the refs.

2) The on field officials might make the call on a targeting, but it goes up to be reviewed. They aren't the final say on the matter. Haden would know and understand this. Beyond that, it was an easy call and an easy confirmation. If Haden was arguing that, he's brain dead.

3) Which essentially means he was called down because his coach was so out of control he couldn't talk to the refs. Think about that. How often have you seen refs throw flags on coaches for unsportsmanlike behavior? You see it about 4 times a season? If that? What was Sark saying that was so bad?

4) Lastly,this just doesn't happen. An AD has zero business being on the field and getting in a discussion with the refs. As someone who gets pissed off at refs more than I should, even I could figure this one out. It reeks of bullying, pressuring and intimidating refs. It is inexcusable and the PAC 12 should take action on it. (and I have zero doubt they will)

[TroyF]

May? The conference couldn't have a bigger fork in it's back.

With Urban Meyer and Ohio State, they go undefeated they will be in the playoff. I say may because Ohio State could still win and run the table. Ohio St. loses and it is over for the Big 10. No prayer. The Ohio State QB is looking like a tackling dummy out there. If the refs had spotted the ball correctly on his scramble, this might already be over. (his knees hit over a yard in front of the first down marker, then he dove forward. If that's the end zone, the ball is placed on the 1 and a half yard line)

[TroyF]

That's all she wrote.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Reading the pbp ... is this right? Va Tech has 6 sacks in the 4th quarter alone?

[Noop]

Ohio State and the B10 are done.

[Matthean]

With Urban Meyer and Ohio State, they go undefeated they will be in the playoff. I say may because Ohio State could still win and run the table. Ohio St. loses and it is over for the Big 10. No prayer. The Ohio State QB is looking like a tackling dummy out there. If the refs had spotted the ball correctly on his scramble, this might already be over. (his knees hit over a yard in front of the first down marker, then he dove forward. If that's the end zone, the ball is placed on the 1 and a half yard line)

Sorry, I had to stop laughing. :D

[JonInMiddleGA]

IIRC, Sark's quote afterwards was that he called Haden down (texted for him to come down actually I think) because he didn't feel like he could have a constructive conversation with the officials at that point.

Among the quirky things about this is that texting (or calling on his cell) is actually against the rules ... but there's actually no proscribed penalty (on field nor adminstratively) for breaking that rule.

[cuervo72]

4) Lastly,this just doesn't happen. An AD has zero business being on the field and getting in a discussion with the refs. As someone who gets pissed off at refs more than I should, even I could figure this one out. It reeks of bullying, pressuring and intimidating refs. It is inexcusable and the PAC 12 should take action on it. (and I have zero doubt they will)

I didn't see the play, but just hearing about it made me think, WTF? And 4) is why. Fill in some other AD here. How ridiculous would we think this is if say, Debbie Yow came down to the field and started a discussion with the refs during a game? We'd think it absolutely nuts.

[Julio Riddols]

Everyone keeps saying it was about the personal foul, but I don't see how that can be the case.

1) The foul happened AFTER the initial confrontation between Sark and the refs.

2) The on field officials might make the call on a targeting, but it goes up to be reviewed. They aren't the final say on the matter. Haden would know and understand this. Beyond that, it was an easy call and an easy confirmation. If Haden was arguing that, he's brain dead.

3) Which essentially means he was called down because his coach was so out of control he couldn't talk to the refs. Think about that. How often have you seen refs throw flags on coaches for unsportsmanlike behavior? You see it about 4 times a season? If that? What was Sark saying that was so bad?

4) Lastly,this just doesn't happen. An AD has zero business being on the field and getting in a discussion with the refs. As someone who gets pissed off at refs more than I should, even I could figure this one out. It reeks of bullying, pressuring and intimidating refs. It is inexcusable and the PAC 12 should take action on it. (and I have zero doubt they will)

Makes sense.. But if there was bullying going on, that later "on the white" penalty seems like the intimidation failed.

[dawgfan]

Yep. Saban actually got him the job there, they were college teammates at Bowling Green.
Kent State actually, where they were coached by Don James (who got both of them into coaching).

[Bigsmooth]

It's early but after watching Kenny Hill sling it, I like his pure arm talent more than Winston's. Dude can rip it.

[TroyF]

Reading the pbp ... is this right? Va Tech has 6 sacks in the 4th quarter alone?

Jon,

Take a look at the PBP, add up the Ohio State pass plays and sacks. That will be the amount of times the QB was hit in the final quarter. No, actually, probably tack on 5 or 6 to the number, because he somehow stayed up through some of the hits. It was brutal. The kid took a serious beating. It looked like Va Tech had 17 guys on the field the entire fourth quarter.

[tarcone]

Iowa squeezed one out today. UGLY.

As for the B1G, no way an undefeated Iowa or Nebby is left out of the playoffs. The committee wont keep the B1G out. Delaney will make sure that the B1G is represented.

[Izulde]

UNLV should have lost that game to an FCS team. Fucking Decker... second to last play of the game all he has to fucking do is go down or run out of bounds... and he fucking throws it in the end zone for an interception.

Worst part? Marcus Sullivan, one of our top WRs, got hurt on that stupid shit, and it looked pretty bad initially.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Iowa squeezed one out today. UGLY.

As for the B1G, no way an undefeated Iowa or Nebby is left out of the playoffs. The committee wont keep the B1G out. Delaney will make sure that the B1G is represented.

I don't know if anyone figures an unbeaten from the power 5 gets left out ... but now any B1G rep is likely going to have to be unbeaten. Today may have eliminated the margin for any error at all.

[BYU 14]

41-7, I would have never thought BYU would have gone into Austin and done something like that.

That 3rd quarter couldn't have gone better, the best part of this is that it should shut up the whiney part of our fan base who think Bronco and staff can't make adjustments at halftime.

Obviously Texas made some mistakes, but the Cougars defense made big plays when they needed to, now no let down.

I really have to wonder a little bit about Strong focusing on this game so much in terms of the revenge factor. Sometimes you can get too wound up one opponent.

[MrBug708]

Bug being Bug. They argued with an official. Nothing worth getting fined over. Hayes Pullard on the other hand had a bone headed play and earned his ejection. :(

Haha. Try not to be too much of a homer...Haden is also being investigated by the PAC12 for his actions.

Unless "bug being bug" means I'm right again...which I agree wholeheartedly

[Matthean]

I don't know if anyone figures an unbeaten from the power 5 gets left out ... but now any B1G rep is likely going to have to be unbeaten. Today may have eliminated the margin for any error at all.

I look at it this way. If a Big Ten team has one loss, they have to start praying that other conference winners have two losses. I just don't currently see the Big Ten jumping over the champs for the Pac-12, Big 12, SEC, and FSU. This says nothing of a 2nd place team in a conference as many like to pick two teams from the SEC.

[gstelmack]

If there's another situation that raises an eyebrow I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being replaced on the selection committee (probably via a "resignation")

ADs should NOT be on the committee. Nor anyone else directly related to a college football program.

[tarcone]

Yes, I agree the B1G representative will have to be undefeated.

And I also agree that no ADs should be on the committee. It should be former coaches and players. And Conduleeza (sp?) Rice.

[Matthean]

Iowa squeezed one out today. UGLY.

As for the B1G, no way an undefeated Iowa or Nebby is left out of the playoffs. The committee wont keep the B1G out. Delaney will make sure that the B1G is represented.

And I would love to hear his argument if the conference champ has a loss. Even outside of the three profile teams that got mentioned, other teams struggled against inferior competition.

[TroyF]

Makes sense.. But if there was bullying going on, that later "on the white" penalty seems like the intimidation failed.

Just because it failed doesn't mean it wasn't attempted. I've really lost a massive amount of respect for Haden over this. He has always been a good guy in my eyes. A ton of integrity.

Not only did he go onto the sidelines, he's been doing nothing but lying about the event since is happened. "I was just clarifying to the refs" "He told me the rules and I said OK"

No Pat, the footage clearly shows you arguing with the refs and you didn't accept their answer. Unless waving your arms in a missed FG motion and yelling is your version of agreeing with someone. Just come out and admit what happened, admit you were an idiot and it was a shameful thing to do, admit you lost your cool and my respect for you would have grown further.

Instead, he's in the denial mode. Sorry EF27, I know USC is near and dear to your heart and you are one hell of a guy. . . this was horrible and I'm already tired of the media spin stating this wasn't a big deal. It is a big deal. As someone else said, if this were some AD people hated or if it were at a small school this would be a massive suspension and a possible firing. (tell me what would have happened if the McNeese St. AD had argued with the officials in the Nebraska game over something? You think he'd have a MAJOR suspension coming down? I do)

[JonInMiddleGA]

this was horrible and I'm already tired of the media spin stating this wasn't a big deal. It is a big deal.

I've got zero vested interest in USC & I completely disagree with you.

Hell, I've seen worse behavior at high school games with far less on the line.

And, just to be completely honest, I've seen enough referees that had far far worse coming than that making it near impossible for me to be upset with anybody who happens to go off on them.

[CU Tiger]

I have no issue per se with the interaction; THAT the interaction happened, that an AD walked down to the sideline DURING a game...that is a lack of judgement I question.

Now I dont think anyone needs to be fired or kicked off a commitee or anything. But I DO think it is a SHAMEFUL and embarrassing act.

[CU Tiger]

New coaches poll out:

Mash (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/polls/)

and apparently after 2 weeks of football beating a team in their house by 2 TDs isnt enough to be ranked ahead of them.

Speaking of shameful things...

Take a look at the high lows and tell me that there isnt a conference based agenda.
A few interesting tidbits
- The lowest ranking for VT is unranked.
- The lowest rank for OSU is 18 (where they are ranked)
- The highest for each is 6 and 19. Which means if they guy who voted OSU 6th was the same guy who voted VT at 19 he thought OSU was 13 better despite losing at home by 14
- Someone voted SC at #9 after being demolished by aTm at home and hanging on to barely beat ECU again at home.
- I think UCLA is ranked too high based on their body of work but just my opinion.
- Ditto for NC
- I think Louisville, Ok ST, and BYU all should be ranked
- Bama has done nothing to deserve #2 compared to what Oklahoma and Oregon have done but this will sort itself out.

[MrBug708]

I dont have a problem with UCLA dropping, but going 2-0 so far with a schedule that was generally ranked as the toughest, should count for something, in theory.

[CU Tiger]

I dont have a problem with UCLA dropping, but going 2-0 so far with a schedule that was generally ranked as the toughest, should count for something, in theory.

ranked as the toughest in what?
Certainly not through two weeks, I dont think.
The played UVA picked to finish dead last in the ACC, and Memphis.

Heck even USC's combo of Fresno State and Stanford is harder to date.

[MrBug708]

Toughest SOS. Obviously the opponents aren't the same level, but UCLA's opponents are 1-1 and say, USC, has their opponents as 1-1 and 0-2. Fresno State is probably the worst out of the three of Virigina, Memphis, and FSU.

But I get where the disagreement lies, hence me not too concerned about UCLA dropping despite being 2-0 on the season. Style counts.

[Butter]

Iowa squeezed one out today. UGLY.

As for the B1G, no way an undefeated Iowa or Nebby is left out of the playoffs. The committee wont keep the B1G out. Delaney will make sure that the B1G is represented.

Dang dude, take off your Iowa goggles for a second and realize they have barely scraped past Northern Iowa and Ball State... they aren't going undefeated.

[TroyF]

New coaches poll out:

Mash (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/polls/)

and apparently after 2 weeks of football beating a team in their house by 2 TDs isnt enough to be ranked ahead of them.

Speaking of shameful things...

Take a look at the high lows and tell me that there isnt a conference based agenda.
A few interesting tidbits
- The lowest ranking for VT is unranked.
- The lowest rank for OSU is 18 (where they are ranked)
- The highest for each is 6 and 19. Which means if they guy who voted OSU 6th was the same guy who voted VT at 19 he thought OSU was 13 better despite losing at home by 14
- Someone voted SC at #9 after being demolished by aTm at home and hanging on to barely beat ECU again at home.
- I think UCLA is ranked too high based on their body of work but just my opinion.
- Ditto for NC
- I think Louisville, Ok ST, and BYU all should be ranked
- Bama has done nothing to deserve #2 compared to what Oklahoma and Oregon have done but this will sort itself out.

As you have said, a lot of this will work itself out, but some of the rankings are strange. No way VA Tech should be lower than Ohio St. No way Ohio St. should have a 6th ranked vote after that game. If the LOWEST vote Ohio State got was 18, then Va Tech needs to be ranked by the lowest non voter.

Notre Dame should be higher IMHO. (and I hate Notre Dame) I have no idea how anyone could have watched Georgia and said "Hmmm, that's the 12th best team in the country" (I know, the coaches don't watch any, or many of the games. Still pretty stupid IMHO)

[cartman]

Yep, just Bug being Bug.

Pac-12 fines, reprimands USC's Pat Haden for sideline visit (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/09/08/pac-12-fine-reprimand-usc-athletic-director-pat-haden/15278129/)

[Easy Mac]

New coaches poll out:

Mash (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/polls/)

and apparently after 2 weeks of football beating a team in their house by 2 TDs isnt enough to be ranked ahead of them.

Speaking of shameful things...

Take a look at the high lows and tell me that there isnt a conference based agenda.
A few interesting tidbits
- The lowest ranking for VT is unranked.
- The lowest rank for OSU is 18 (where they are ranked)
- The highest for each is 6 and 19. Which means if they guy who voted OSU 6th was the same guy who voted VT at 19 he thought OSU was 13 better despite losing at home by 14
- Someone voted SC at #9 after being demolished by aTm at home and hanging on to barely beat ECU again at home.
- I think UCLA is ranked too high based on their body of work but just my opinion.
- Ditto for NC
- I think Louisville, Ok ST, and BYU all should be ranked
- Bama has done nothing to deserve #2 compared to what Oklahoma and Oregon have done but this will sort itself out.

You're not reading Hi/Low correctly. That's telling us the highest and lowest they've been ranked in the polls, not the highest and lowest anyone currently ranked the teams.

[Kodos]

It was an embarrassing day for the Big Ten for sure. I liked OSU losing badly, but the MSU loss hurt.

And, yeah, if you struggle with Ball State, I think your playoff dreams are pretty much D.O.A.

[JonInMiddleGA]

I have no idea how anyone could have watched Georgia and said "Hmmm, that's the 12th best team in the country" (I know, the coaches don't watch any, or many of the games. Still pretty stupid IMHO)

No matter what you think of them, you can't just put it on coaches. Look at the polls posted here.

I had Georgia at #11 last week. Two others were lower than that.
In total here's how the FOFC'ers saw them
6-8-11-9-12-8-13-8, with a final aggregate of 9.


Also, 12th was Georgia's pre-season AP ranking, before the win over Clemson (they were 8th in USA Today). After their opening win they went to 6 in AP. This week they're now 6th in both.

[MrBug708]

Yep, just Bug being Bug.

Pac-12 fines, reprimands USC's Pat Haden for sideline visit (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/09/08/pac-12-fine-reprimand-usc-athletic-director-pat-haden/15278129/)
The text thing is just SC bring SC

[Kodos]

Executive Committee restores Penn State football postseason, scholarships | NCAA Public Home Page - NCAA.org (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/executive-committee-restores-penn-state-football-postseason-scholarships)

Not sure this is the right thread, but close enough.

[DaddyTorgo]

Executive Committee restores Penn State football postseason, scholarships | NCAA Public Home Page - NCAA.org (http://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/executive-committee-restores-penn-state-football-postseason-scholarships)

Not sure this is the right thread, but close enough.

Was just coming to post this. Looks like they snuck it in while the Ray Rice thing was blowing up hmm?

[tarcone]

It was an embarrassing day for the Big Ten for sure. I liked OSU losing badly, but the MSU loss hurt.

And, yeah, if you struggle with Ball State, I think your playoff dreams are pretty much D.O.A.

Well, I will say this in response, Iowa improves as the year goes on. Usually.

And being 2-0, the dream is alive.

[Kodos]

October 11th. You're going down.

[Eaglesfan27]

Yep, just Bug being Bug.

Pac-12 fines, reprimands USC's Pat Haden for sideline visit (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2014/09/08/pac-12-fine-reprimand-usc-athletic-director-pat-haden/15278129/)

Total bullshit. Where is Alvarez's penalty?

[cartman]

Total bullshit. Where is Alvarez's penalty?

Why would the PAC-12 give a fine to a Big Ten AD?

[Dr. Sak]

Was just coming to post this. Looks like they snuck it in while the Ray Rice thing was blowing up hmm?

No it coincided with the Mitchell Report Release which was today.

[Dr. Sak]

Just my 2 cents about the USC AD thing...the NCAA released a video to all coaches and AD about how abusive language and actions on the sideline that demean officials will not be tolerated this year. We are told to flag them immediately. Also, the only person on the coaching staff which is allowed to interact with an official is the Head Coach, not the AD, not the President, the Head Coach.

The officials are partly to blame here. They should have never gave him the forum to talk.

[cartman]

Haven't seen any video of this, or pics from other angles, but this is what the USC homers are upset about:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bw5v_3BCEAAc8oF.jpg

[Dr. Sak]

I once sat next to Barry Alverez at a bar in Indy, after Penn State basketball beat Wisconsin 37-33 in the B1G Tourney, and he was drinking an Appletini.

Either he is a real big John Dorian fan...or I dont know what...but I have to laugh anytime I see his picture.

[CraigSca]

Was just coming to post this. Looks like they snuck it in while the Ray Rice thing was blowing up hmm?

+1

Hurray for Penn State! Score one for the good guys!

[cartman]

June Jones is stepping down immediately at SMU.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/24701485/june-jones-resigns-as-smu-football-coach

[Suicane75]

What went wrong there? Seemed like he was on the right track a few years ago and then it just went off the rails.

[Butter]

+1

Hurray for Penn State! Score one for the good guys!

Sarcasm?

[CraigSca]

Sarcasm?

Absolutely. Couldn't find my /rolleyes emoticon.