Scandal Draft

[larrymcg421]

In the FOFC Games thread, I mentioned the drafts we used to do and there seemed to be some interest in reviving them, so I thought I'd try to start one. If you're interested in signing up, reply here.

Rules

1) You will draft a scandal from several different categories. (Listed below)
2) You must also fit your scandals into several different time perods. (Listed below)
3) You may not use anyone involved in another drafted scandal more than once.
4) Involved is vague, but let's be reasonable here. If you pick a hockey scandal, you don't get to block out every NHL player. I will make judgment calls if needed, but will lean towards letting voters punish you for trying to bend the rules.
5) At the end, we will hold a vote to determine the winner. Participants may vote, but cannot vote for themselves.
6) Please don't blurt out potential picks. Don't be that guy.
7) Someone will probably be that guy and someone else will bitch and moan about it. Don't be that guy, either.
8) Please make your picks in bold: 1.1 - Person A had affair with Person B, Sex, 1900-1919

Categories:

Sports/Recreation
Politics
Visual Arts
Music
Military
Religion
Fictional
Writing
Sex
Science

Time Periods:

2000-Present
1980-99
1960-79
1940-1959
1920-1939
1900-1919
1800s
1700s
1600s
Pre-1600s



Draft order:
DaddyTorgo
NobodyHere
whomario
JPhillips
Umbrella
britrock
Autumn
cartman

[larrymcg421]

Picks (by round):


1.1 Politics, 1960-1979, Watergate
1.2 Sports/Recreation, 1900-1919, 1919 BlackSox Scandal
1.3 Sports/Recreation, 1980-1999, The Hand of God by Diego Maradon
1.4 Religion, Pre-1600s, Henry VIII asks for DIVORCE/Pope Refuses/Henry founds the Church of England
1.5 Politics, 1980-1999, Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky Scandal
1.6 Religion, Pre-1600s, Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth
1.7 Writing, 1800s, Oscar Wilde Libel Trial
1.8 Military, 1960-1979, My Lai Massacre

2.1 Visual Arts, 1920-1939, Fatty Arbuckle Scandal
2.2 Politics, 1600s, Gunpowder Treason Plot, Guy Fawkes, etc.
2.3 Politics, 1960-1979, Assassination of John F. Kennedy
2.4 Military, 1800's, The Dreyfus Affair
2.5 Military, 1700s, Benedict Arnold Defects
2.6 Religion, pre-1600s, Martin Luther pins his 95 theses in 1517
2.7 Science, 1600s, Galileo Affair
2.8 Religion, Present Day, Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal

3.1 Military, 1980-1999, Iran-Contra
3.2 Politics, 1920-1939, Teapot Dome Scandal
3.3 Science, 1800s, Bone Wars
3.4 Sex, 1600s, Witches in Sales
3.5 Music, 1960-1979, Alan Freed/Dick Clark Congressional Hearings (Payola Scandal)
3.6 Science, 1920-1939, Scopes Trial
3.7 Miltary, 2000-Present, Abu Ghraib Prisoner Abuse
3.8 Sports/Recreation, 2000-Present, The Lance Armstrong Lie

4.1 Fictional, Pre-1600s, Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare
4.2 Sex, 1700s, Marquis de Sade
4.3 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, Fountain
4.4 Fictional, 1600s, The Scarlet Letter
4.5 Politics, 1940-1959, The McCarthy Hearings
4.6 Writing, 1600s, Thomas Overbury
4.7 Visual Arts, 1960-1979, Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat
4.8 Fictional, Pre-1600s, Homer's "The Illiad" recounts Paris' kidnaps Helen of Troy leading to the Trojan War

5.1 Music, 1940-1959, Jerry Lee Lewis' Marriage to his 13 year old Cousin is discovered
5.2 Military, 1800s, John Brown's Raid on Harper's Ferry
5.3 Politics, 1700s, Execution of King Louis XVI of France on January 21st, 1793.
5.4 Science, 1920-1939, Tuskeegee Syphillis Experiment
5.5 Science, 1900-1919, The Piltdown Man
5.6 Military, 1800s, The Sinking of the Maine
5.7 Music, 1980-1999, Michael Jackson Child Abuse Accusations
5.8 Science, 1940-1959, Josef Mengele "experiments"

6.1 Sex, 1900-1919, Fragments of an Analysis of a Case of Hysteria, Sigmund Freud
6.2 Sports, 1960-1979, Muhammad Ali Resists the Draft
6.3 Sex, 1700s, Catherine the Great
6.4 Writing, 2000-present, A Million Little Pieces
6.5 Sports, 2000-Present, Baseball Steroid Scandal
6.6 Music, 2000+, Nipplegate
6.7 Sex, 1700s, Thomas Jefferson's relationship with Sally Hemings
6.8 Sports, 1920-1939: The Berlin Olympics of 1936, Boycotts, shady decisions, Jesse Owens, and HITLER

7.1 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, Vincenzo Peruggia steals the Mona Lisa from the Louvre and keeps it for 2 years
7.2 Religion, Pre1600s, The Succession of the Prophet Muhammed
7.3 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, The Birth of a Nation
7.4 Fictional, Who Shot J.R.?, 1980-1999
7.5 Sports, 1940-1959, CCNY point shaving scandal
7.6 Fictional, 1940-1959, Lolita
7.7 Science, 1940-1959, Kinsey Report
7.8 Music, 1980-1999, Milli Vanilli scandal

8.1 Religion, 1700s, Pope Clement XIV dissolves the Jesuit order
8.2 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, Cubism Scandalizes Paris Exhibitions
8.3 Sports, 1980-1999, Nancy Kerrigan Attack
8.4 Sex, 1700's, Alexander Hamilton sex scandal
8.5 Visual Arts, 1800s, The Astor Place Riots
8.6 Military, 1920-1939, Blomberg–Fritsch Affair
8.7 Music, 1980-1999, Sinead O' Connor rips up picture of Pope on Saturday Night Live
8.8 Writing, 1700's, Publication of "Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure" or "Fanny Hill"

9.1 Science, 1800's, The debate over evolution explodes with "Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation" and "On the Origin of Species"
9.2 Writing, 1940-1959, Catcher in the Rye by JD Salinger
9.3 Sex, 1940-1959, Ingrid Bergman / Roberto Rossellini
9.4 Writing, 1900-1919, The Jungle
9.5 Visual Arts, 1920-1939, Death of Olive Thomas
9.6 Writing, 1600s, The writing of John Locke
9.7 Religion, Pre-1600s, Saeculum obscurum: Papal Corruption
9.8 Writing, 1600s, Credit for inventing calculus

10.1 Politics, 1800s, Boss Tweed/Tammany Hall scandal
10.2 Fictional, 1920-1939, Lady Chatterley's Lover, D. H. Lawrence
10.3 Music, 2000-Present, Dixie Chicks Anti-War/Bush Controversy
10.4 Religion, Pre-1600's, The East-West Schism
10.5 Music, 1960-1979, Jimmy Savile Sex Scandal
10.6 Fictional, 1960-1979, The Vogons destroy Earth(Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy)
10.7 Fictional, Present Day, BENGHAZI!!!!!1!
10.8 Sex, 1600s, The Many Mistresses of Charles II

[larrymcg421]

Picks (by participant):

DaddyTorgo
1.1 Politics, 1960-1979, Watergate
2.8 Religion, Present Day, Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal
3.1 Military, 1980-1999, Iran-Contra
4.8 Fictional, Pre-1600s, Homer's "The Illiad" recounts Paris' kidnaps Helen of Troy leading to the Trojan War
5.1 Music, 1940-1959, Jerry Lee Lewis' Marriage to his 13 year old Cousin is discovered
6.8 Sports, 1920-1939: The Berlin Olympics of 1936, Boycotts, shady decisions, Jesse Owens, and HITLER
7.1 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, Vincenzo Peruggia steals the Mona Lisa from the Louvre and keeps it for 2 years
8.8 Writing, 1700's, Publication of "Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure" or "Fanny Hill"
9.1 Science, 1800's, The debate over evolution explodes with "Vestiges of the Natural History of Creation" and "On the Origin of Species"
10.8 Sex, 1600s, The Many Mistresses of Charles II

NobodyHere
1.2 Sports/Recreation, 1900-1919, 1919 BlackSox Scandal
2.7 Science, 1600s, Galileo Affair
3.2 Politics, 1920-1939, Teapot Dome Scandal
4.7 Visual Arts, 1960-1979, Linda Lovelace in Deep Throat
5.2 Military, 1800s, John Brown's Raid on Harper's Ferry
6.7 Sex, 1700s, Thomas Jefferson's relationship with Sally Hemings
7.2 Religion, Pre1600s, The Succession of the Prophet Muhammed
8.7 Music, 1980-1999, Sinead O' Connor rips up picture of Pope on Saturday Night Live
9.2 Writing, 1940-1959, Catcher in the Rye by JD Salinger
10.7 Fictional, Present Day, BENGHAZI!!!!!1!

whomario
1.3 Sports/Recreation, 1980-1999, The Hand of God by Diego Maradon
2.6 Religion, pre-1600s, Martin Luther pins his 95 theses in 1517
3.3 Science, 1800s, Bone Wars
4.6 Writing, 1600s, Thomas Overbury
5.3 Politics, 1700s, Execution of King Louis XVI of France on January 21st, 1793.
6.6 Music, 2000+, Nipplegate
7.3 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, The Birth of a Nation
8.6 Military, 1920-1939, Blomberg–Fritsch Affair
9.3 Sex, 1940-1959, Ingrid Bergman / Roberto Rossellini
10.6 Fictional, 1960-1979, The Vogons destroy Earth(Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy)

JPhillips
1.4 Religion, Pre-1600s, Henry VIII asks for divorce/Pope Refuses/Henry founds the Church of England
2.5 Military, 1700s, Benedict Arnold Defects
3.4 Sex, 1600s, Witches in Sales
4.5 Politics, 1940-1959, The McCarthy Hearings
5.4 Science, 1920-1939, Tuskeegee Syphillis Experiment
6.5 Sports, 2000-Present, Baseball Steroid Scandal
7.4 Fictional, Who Shot J.R.?, 1980-1999
8.5 Visual Arts, 1800s, The Astor Place Riots
9.4 Writing, 1900-1919, The Jungle
10.5 Music, 1960-1979, Jimmy Savile Sex Scandal

Umbrella
1.5 Politics, 1980-1999, Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky Scandal
2.4 Military, 1800's, The Dreyfus Affair
3.5 Music, 1960-1979, Alan Freed/Dick Clark Congressional Hearings (Payola Scandal)
4.4 Fictional, 1600s, The Scarlet Letter
5.5 Science, 1900-1919, The Piltdown Man
6.4 Writing, 2000-present, A Million Little Pieces
7.5 Sports, 1940-1959, CCNY point shaving scandal
8.4 Sex, 1700's, Alexander Hamilton sex scandal
9.5 Visual Arts, 1920-1939, Death of Olive Thomas
10.4 Religion, Pre-1600's, The East-West Schism

britrock
1.6 Religion, Pre-1600s, Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth
2.3 Politics, 1960-1979, Assassination of John F. Kennedy
3.6 Science, 1920-1939, Scopes Trial
4.3 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, Fountain
5.6 Military, 1800s, The Sinking of the Maine
6.3 Sex, 1700s, Catherine the Great
7.6 Fictional, 1940-1959, Lolita
8.3 Sports, 1980-1999, Nancy Kerrigan Attack
9.6 Writing, 1600s, The writing of John Locke
10.3 Music, 2000-Present, Dixie Chicks Anti-War/Bush Controversy


Autumn
1.7 Writing, 1800s, Oscar Wilde Libel Trial
2.2 Politics, 1600s, Gunpowder Treason Plot, Guy Fawkes, etc.
3.7 Miltary, 2000-Present, Abu Ghraib Prisoner Abuse
4.2 Sex, 1700s, Marquis de Sade
5.7 Music, 1980-1999, Michael Jackson Child Abuse Accusations
6.2 Sports, 1960-1979, Muhammad Ali Resists the Draft
7.7 Science, 1940-1959, Kinsey Report
8.2 Visual Arts, 1900-1919, Cubism Scandalizes Paris Exhibitions
9.7 Religion, Pre-1600s, Saeculum obscurum: Papal Corruption
10.2 Fictional, 1920-1939, Lady Chatterley's Lover, D. H. Lawrence


cartman
1.8 Military, 1960-1979, My Lai Massacre
2.1 Visual Arts, 1920-1939, Fatty Arbuckle Scandal
3.8 Sports/Recreation, 2000-Present, The Lance Armstrong Lie
4.1 Fictional, Pre-1600s, Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare
5.8 Science, 1940-1959, Josef Mengele "experiments"
6.1 Sex, 1900-1919, Fragments of an Analysis of a Case of Hysteria, Sigmund Freud
7.8 Music, 1980-1999, Milli Vanilli scandal
8.1 Religion, 1700s, Pope Clement XIV dissolves the Jesuit order
9.8 Writing, 1600s, Credit for inventing calculus
10.1 Politics, 1800s, Boss Tweed/Tammany Hall scandal

[stevew]

Not in but I'll be shocked if 1.1 isn't a certain thing.

[britrock88]

Intriguing.

[Autumn]

I'll give it a try. In.

[stevew]

Comedy "I'm claiming Kerry Washington" response.

[larrymcg421]

Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[cartman]

Count me in

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm debating...

[JPhillips]

I'm in, but I don't know how to pick between Benghazi, Fast and Furious, IRS, New Black Panthers and Solyndra. What about an Obama scandal category?

[larrymcg421]

Bump. Need 5 more.

[DaddyTorgo]

Alright...I'll bite.

Not sure how I'll fill some of the categories, but I can wing it.

[larrymcg421]

I'm thinking of condensing the time period range. I'm thinking it might be too limiting.

[DaddyTorgo]

Condensing it? What do you mean?

[NobodyHere]

Yeah, some of these slots are impossible to fill.

[larrymcg421]

Condensing it? What do you mean?

Making the year ranges shorter so it doesn't go back so far. I'm worried about the options for categories like the 1700's.

[larrymcg421]

Just need 4 more to sign up.

[DaddyTorgo]

Making the year ranges shorter so it doesn't go back so far. I'm worried about the options for categories like the 1700's.

Aaaah. I kinda like some of the old-timey stuff...there's limited options back there so it'll force people to deploy their choices strategically or defend things as "scandals"

[JPhillips]

I agree. I think the winner will be the one that dominates pre-20th century.

[larrymcg421]

Sounds good. I'll keep it as is then.

[whomario]

Questions: What is "fictional" ? What defines a scandal ? Anything that drew an "this is outrageous" response at the time ?

I´m in if things are not expected to go at lightning pace.

Some suggestions:

How about more generalized categories for the modern stuff to make them usable in earlier times ?

Arts (Music + Film/TV but then adding possibility of theater/opera or painting/photography for earlier periods. Actually, music in theory could remain singular of course. Or you could just say that 1900 is the cutoff time for old-time stuff and then Film/TV takes over)

Recreation (adding to sports stuff like Hunting, Gambling, leisurely strolls on the countryside or whatever the hell else the bored 1600s person would do)

Maybe merge Politics and Military into one category as well ?

I would also add Science as a category, seems to be one that could bring up some very interesting stuff and is applicable throughout.

In terms of time periods i would suggest merging at least the 16/17 hundreds and maybe even the 18hundreds together. Then later on i would maybe go 1900-1945 and 1946-1969, then 1970-1989, then 90s and then the rest. Ok, admittedly that only reduces things from 1900 from 6 to 5, but hey ;) )

I would however not all all mind actually adding the middle ages (after fall of western roman empire till columbus) and antiquity (basically everything before that, rome, greece, egypt, india), respectively. But then again, i´m a history nerd ;)

[Umbrella]

Heck, if you are still looking for participants, I'll do it, but I probably won't be very good.

[Umbrella]

Dola, how will scandals that fit in two categories be handled? Using your person A sleeps with person B example, that could be sex, but if it is a politician or athlete, it could be politics or sports as well. Will the drafter be able to choose which category?

I guess along the same lines, what if a scandal covers two of the listed time periods, i.e. it lasts from 1955-1965?

[cartman]

Dola, how will scandals that fit in two categories be handled? Using your person A sleeps with person B example, that could be sex, but if it is a politician or athlete, it could be politics or sports as well. Will the drafter be able to choose which category?

I guess along the same lines, what if a scandal covers two of the listed time periods, i.e. it lasts from 1955-1965?

Usually borderline cases are handled by the voters. You make your case for why you chose a certain category over another, and the voters either agree or not.

[JPhillips]

Questions: What is "fictional" ? What defines a scandal ? Anything that drew an "this is outrageous" response at the time ?

I´m in if things are not expected to go at lightning pace.

Some suggestions:

How about more generalized categories for the modern stuff to make them usable in earlier times ?

Arts (Music + Film/TV but then adding possibility of theater/opera or painting/photography for earlier periods. Actually, music in theory could remain singular of course. Or you could just say that 1900 is the cutoff time for old-time stuff and then Film/TV takes over)

Recreation (adding to sports stuff like Hunting, Gambling, leisurely strolls on the countryside or whatever the hell else the bored 1600s person would do)

Maybe merge Politics and Military into one category as well ?

I would also add Science as a category, seems to be one that could bring up some very interesting stuff and is applicable throughout.

In terms of time periods i would suggest merging at least the 16/17 hundreds and maybe even the 18hundreds together. Then later on i would maybe go 1900-1945 and 1946-1969, then 1970-1989, then 90s and then the rest. Ok, admittedly that only reduces things from 1900 from 6 to 5, but hey ;) )

I would however not all all mind actually adding the middle ages (after fall of western roman empire till columbus) and antiquity (basically everything before that, rome, greece, egypt, india), respectively. But then again, i´m a history nerd ;)

I'm okay with a science category, but I'd be very opposed to merging military and politics.

[larrymcg421]

Okay, I like the idea of Science. I also changed Film/TV to Visual Arts and Sports to Sports/Recreation.

I think I'm going to stick with the current time period breakdowns.

Fictional was meant to cover scandals within the plot of a book, movie, play, but shouldn't be something that happened in real life.

I don't expect lightning speed, but if you are going to be away for a while, then it is best to send in a list of picks. What we've done in the past is you get one time to be gone for more than 24 hours and then you are put on a 1 hour clock.

As Cartman stated, it is almost always left up to the voters to decide if you used something in the right category. Only in rare circumstances (such as something picked for a wrong time period or a real life scandal picked in fictional) will I void a pick.

Now we can either drop the Other category or add an extra category (maybe fake scandals?).

[Umbrella]

I would vote to have Fictional be a part of Other, and then replace it with Science.

[JPhillips]

Ditching other would make things even. By my count we have eleven categories and ten time periods right now.

[larrymcg421]

Sounds good. We still need 2 more people.

[britrock88]

Count me in, unless this is happening Thursday/Friday (I'll be out of pocket).

[larrymcg421]

Count me in, unless this is happening Thursday/Friday (I'll be out of pocket).

Depends on when we fill up, but if you send in a preference list of picks, then I can pick for you on those days.

[larrymcg421]

Need just one more person.

[NobodyHere]

Oh what the hell, I'll give it a go, somebody needs to get last place.

[Umbrella]

Oh what the hell, I'll give it a go, somebody needs to get last place.
I already called dibs on last

[larrymcg421]

Awesome. Here is the draft order (done by Randomizer):
DaddyTorgo
NobodyHere
whomario
JPhillips
Umbrella
britrock
Autumn
cartmanIt is a snake format as usual, so cartman will have 1st pick in the 2nd round and so on....

You can go ahead and make picks now, but official clock doesn't start until tomorrow at 8am.

[Umbrella]

OK, I'll be the first "that guy". For the fictional category, how are we determining the years? Is it the year of publication/release, or the time frame of the fictional scandal?

[larrymcg421]

OK, I'll be the first "that guy". For the fictional category, how are we determining the years? Is it the year of publication/release, or the time frame of the fictional scandal?

No, that's a good question. Time frame of fictional scandal is what I was thinking, but I won't reject a pick that uses release time.

[JPhillips]

And are we counting from the time of the scandal or the time of exposure of the scandal?

edit: Say something horrible happened in the 1950s, but nobody knew until the 1970s. Do we want any consistency on those things?

[Umbrella]

And are we counting from the time of the scandal or the time of exposure of the scandal?

Drafters choice?

[larrymcg421]

And are we counting from the time of the scandal or the time of exposure of the scandal?

edit: Say something horrible happened in the 1950s, but nobody knew until the 1970s. Do we want any consistency on those things?

Either one is fine, so your best bet is to think of how the voters will respond to the categorization. I'm thinking of a past draft where someone drafted Joe Louis into the 70s-80s because he was still alive. The pick was allowed, but it went over poorly.

[DaddyTorgo]

Whoa...it's on already? And I have 1.1? Big pressure!!

I wasn't expecting it to be starting quite yet...I need to think about this guys...I don't imagine I'll be making my pick until later tonight.

[NobodyHere]

Can I ask what a "writing" scandal is?

[larrymcg421]

Can I ask what a "writing" scandal is?

It could have something to do with a book, play, article, academic paper, etc.

[Logan]

I like the potential for this to provide some interesting Wikipedia material as it gets later in the draft.

[ColtCrazy]

Damn. Miss a week here and you miss signing up for a draft. Oh well, this will be interesting to watch anyway.

[Autumn]

I'm going to be in and out tomorrow, so definitely someone send me a PM if I'm up or soon to be up, I'll try to make sure I don't hold us up.

[DaddyTorgo]

1.1 Politics (1960-1979): Watergate

There's only one scandal that's led to the resignation of a sitting US President, and it set the precedent (unfortunately) for generations to come of trying to get Presidents impeached on all sorts of "scandals."

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[NobodyHere]

I was hoping you wouldn't take that one...

[Vince, Pt. II]

I feel like there is an enormous gulf between that and any other pick in the entire draft.

[DaddyTorgo]

I hope so. I mean...I wanted to think it over and see if anything else even came close, but I couldn't make an argument to myself for taking anything else over it.

[NobodyHere]

I you hadn't taken it I would have.

[DaddyTorgo]

I you hadn't taken it I would have.

Hehe.

There's still some good ones out there that I can think of - shame I have to wait so long till my next pick...I'm betting most of them will be gone by then, so my chances of getting a "slam dunk #2" are iffy.

[stevew]

Perhaps the easiest 1.1 since Patrick Ewing.

[NobodyHere]

1.2 Sports/Recreation, 1900-1919: 1919 BlackSox Scandal

Throwing the World Series and getting banned from MLB is pretty major in my books.

[Umbrella]

Watergate was such a no-brainer #1 that anything else deserved to get mocked. Black Sox was the best sports one, plus gets rid of a tough time frame. Solid start.

[DaddyTorgo]

Watergate was such a no-brainer #1 that anything else deserved to get mocked. Black Sox was the best sports one, plus gets rid of a tough time frame. Solid start.

Well it was a no-brainer, but I wanted to be sure there wasn't something else that I was overlooking!!

[DaddyTorgo]

1.2 Sports/Recreation, 1900-1919: 1919 BlackSox Scandal

Throwing the World Series and getting banned from MLB is pretty major in my books.

Given that this is a sports board this is basically the only other thing that flicked across my radar as a potential #1 overall.

[britrock88]

Count me in, unless this is happening Thursday/Friday (I'll be out of pocket).

Damn. Miss a week here and you miss signing up for a draft. Oh well, this will be interesting to watch anyway.

PM sent.

[whomario]

I think the later rounds will be actually "easier" and more fun in that you pick your favourites among lesser known scandals. I am still just gonna go ahead and put a little Euro spin onto things from the stars and nominate:

1.3 Sports 80-99

The Hand of God by Diego Maradona

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[DaddyTorgo]

I think the later rounds will be actually "easier" and more fun in that you pick your favourites among lesser known scandals.

Definitely agree with you about this.

[DaddyTorgo]

1.3 Sports 80-99

The Hand of God by Diego Maradona

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Interesting choice. I like it as a Sports scandal for sure. Might be a bit of a reach at this pick, but I sympathize with it being tough to pick early in the draft when you know it will be a long time until your turn comes around again, sometimes you almost have to reach a little.

[Umbrella]

Interesting. I didn't have that one on my list, but I'm sure it will be much higher on the world stage than the American one.

[larrymcg421]

Don't forget to PM the person after you.

[whomario]

did so, forgot to mention :)

[JPhillips]

1.4 Pre-1600s Religion Henry VIII asks for divorce/Pope Refuses/Henry founds the Church of England

A scandal that changed the course of English and Christian history.

pm sent

[NobodyHere]

Someone watches The Tudors.

[DaddyTorgo]

1.4 Pre-1600s Religion Henry VIII asks for divorce/Pope Refuses/Henry founds the Church of England

A scandal that changed the course of English and Christian history.

pm sent

damn - was hoping that'd slip down to my next pick. :rant:

[Umbrella]

Hmm, there are a couple that I didn't expect to be here, I need to think.

[JPhillips]

damn - was hoping that'd slip down to my next pick. :rant:

Sorry. It was either going to be my first or second pick.

[Umbrella]

I'm really surprised this dropped to me, so I have to take it.

1.5 - Politics - 1980-1999 - Bill Clinton/Monica Lewinsky Scandal

No explanation needed.

[DaddyTorgo]

Sorry. It was either going to be my first or second pick.

Ah well.

[Umbrella]

BTW JPhilips, love that pick, although I thought you could get it in the 2nd round. But based on some of the replies, maybe not.

[britrock88]

1.4 Pre-1600s Religion Henry VIII asks for divorce/Pope Refuses/Henry founds the Church of England

A scandal that changed the course of English and Christian history.

pm sent

Huge.

[Umbrella]

britrock, you're up. PM sent

[britrock88]

1.6 Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth - Pre-1600s - Religion

...yeah.

[Umbrella]

I was debating about if that would be considered a scandal or not. If so, that is worthy of the #1 overall pick.

[DaddyTorgo]

1.6 Crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth - Pre-1600s - Religion

...yeah.

And we have our first "is that a scandal" controversy.

[britrock88]

And we have our first "is that a scandal" controversy.

You might call it... a scandal! :D

[NobodyHere]

You might call it... a scandal! :D

I know my next pick!!!!

[Umbrella]

You might call it... a scandal! :D

Beat me to it.

In my pre-draft notes, this was the "is it or isn't it" pick that I debated with myself the longest. In the end, I decided I didn't think it was, but I can certainly see the other side of the argument.

[DaddyTorgo]

Beat me to it.

In my pre-draft notes, this was the "is it or isn't it" pick that I debated with myself the longest. In the end, I decided I didn't think it was, but I can certainly see the other side of the argument.

Same. I thought about it for 1.1, but I didn't think I could shoehorn it in as a "scandal" with a straight face, and figured a number of voters might "ding" it for that.

I figured someone would give it a shot though. I think there'll be a few things shoehorned in as "scandals" in the later rounds. There are some pretty big clear-cut ones still out there though ("#") that I dunno if it's the best pick at the moment.

[cartman]

Autumn, if you take either of my next pics, we'll have a new scandal to choose from

[DaddyTorgo]

I've got a great next pick lined up, but I think there's like a 0.0% chance it makes it back around to me.

[Autumn]

Okay, give me a few, have to adjust my list!

[Umbrella]

I haven't done one of these before, and this is much trickier than I thought. I've got to make sure I don't end up getting stuck with trying to pick a 1700's music scandal at the end.

[britrock88]

I haven't done one of these before, and this is much trickier than I thought. I've got to make sure I don't end up getting stuck with trying to pick a 1700's music scandal at the end.

That's the real fun!

[Umbrella]

I've got a great next pick lined up, but I think there's like a 0.0% chance it makes it back around to me.

Me too, although I think I have a pretty good chance of getting mine. If not, my entire draft strategy will have to change on the fly.

[NobodyHere]

I should go to college right now but I want to keep refreshing this thread!

[Umbrella]

This will be educational. Isn't that the purpose of going to college anyways?

[whomario]

I think the Jesus pick is valid, but mainly for all the subsequent talk about the fact (or not) in later times...

Also, does this mean every other christian is out of the reckoning now ? No Jesus, no christian religion afterall ;)

Had the Henry one on my short list of pre1600 stuff, nice catch there. Looking forward to get to (and learn about) a few wacky historic things :)


Question on rule 3) You may not use anyone involved in another drafted scandal more than once.
Does this (just as an example) mean that Clinto (or Lewinsky, who know) is off limits now for everyone or just the person naming him ?

[NobodyHere]

This will be educational. Isn't that the purpose of going to college anyways?

Nah the purpose of college is getting a degree so I can get a good job. Plus the GI Bill money doesn't hurt!

[whomario]

Also, just to get more of an idea of this: Would the Henry one have been possible as a pick for politics as well ? Afterall, kings kinda were the politicians of their time and it had huge ramifications on that front as well.

[JPhillips]

And we have our first "is that a scandal" controversy.

Should it have been phrased, Romans lose the body of Christ?

[Autumn]

1.7 Writing (1800s) - Oscar Wilde, Libel Trial

Oscar Wilde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde#Trials)

The most scandalous public figure of his time, Wilde's libel trial "opened on 3 April 1895 amid scenes of near hysteria both in the press and the public galleries."

[Umbrella]

1.7 Writing (1800s) - Oscar Wilde, Libel Trial

Oscar Wilde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde#Trials)

The most scandalous public figure of his time, Wilde's libel trial "opened on 3 April 1895 amid scenes of near hysteria both in the press and the public galleries."

Good one. This was high on my list.

[larrymcg421]

I think the Jesus pick is valid, but mainly for all the subsequent talk about the fact (or not) in later times...

Also, does this mean every other christian is out of the reckoning now ? No Jesus, no christian religion afterall ;)

Had the Henry one on my short list of pre1600 stuff, nice catch there. Looking forward to get to (and learn about) a few wacky historic things :)


Question on rule 3)
Does this (just as an example) mean that Clinto (or Lewinsky, who know) is off limits now for everyone or just the person naming him ?

Clinton and Lewinsky are out for everyone.

[JPhillips]

Also, just to get more of an idea of this: Would the Henry one have been possible as a pick for politics as well ? Afterall, kings kinda were the politicians of their time and it had huge ramifications on that front as well.

I chose between politics and religion. In the end I thought politics was a more loaded category, so I picked religion. My initial draft list has a number of cross-listed picks.

[JPhillips]

1.7 Writing (1800s) - Oscar Wilde, Libel Trial

Oscar Wilde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde#Trials)

The most scandalous public figure of his time, Wilde's libel trial "opened on 3 April 1895 amid scenes of near hysteria both in the press and the public galleries."

Thought that would last longer.

[cartman]

Ok, time for the wrap-around picks. They will be arriving shortly.

[DaddyTorgo]

You guys do some serious pre-work on your lists hmm? I basically just kinda...wing it.

[Umbrella]

Some of these were too tough to wing.

[larrymcg421]

Also, just to get more of an idea of this: Would the Henry one have been possible as a pick for politics as well ? Afterall, kings kinda were the politicians of their time and it had huge ramifications on that front as well.

You could've put it there for sure. Again, it's up to what the voters will think is the best placement. I think you make a good argument for why politics would work.

[Umbrella]

Yeah, a lot of these scandals could go in multiple categories. I could have used Clinton/Lewinsky for sex, but let's be honest, aren't the majority of scandals sex scandals?

[cartman]

1.8 - My Lai Massacre (Military, 1960-1979)

The killing and subsequent attempt to cover up the events that transpired was one of the largest military scandals in history.

[Umbrella]

1.8 - My Lai Massacre (Military, 1960-1979)

The killing and subsequent attempt to cover up the events that transpired was one of the largest military scandals in history.

Another good pick. I was debating this one for the second round.

[DaddyTorgo]

How the fuck do we have "Visual Arts" and "Music" as two categories?

That's nuts.

[Autumn]

Guess you should have been thinking about this ;-)

[larrymcg421]

Well originally I had it as Film/TV and Music. I felt there was enough of each that I didn't want to combine, but maybe I should've.

[cartman]

2.1 - Fatty Arbuckle Scandal (Visual Arts, 1920-1939)

Back in his time, Fatty Arbuckle was by far the biggest movie star, both in weight and income. He had just signed a $1 million contract, which was nearly unheard of for the time. To celebrate the contract, he threw a party at a hotel. During the party something happened to one of the guests, who subsequently died. The press went into overdrive, and Arbuckle was demonized. He went through three trials, the first two ending in hung juries. The third trial ended with a not guilty verdict, but the damage had been done. The career of one of the first Hollywood blockbuster stars was in ruins.

[Umbrella]

:banghead: Damn you cartman. I was sure that would make it back to me.

[Autumn]

DAmn, two off my list. Just a moment.

[DaddyTorgo]

Guess you should have been thinking about this ;-)

LOL

[Autumn]

2.2 - Politics (1600s) - Gunpowder Treason Plot, Guy Fawkes, etc.

One of the most infamous plots of all time, an attempt to kill King James I and blow up the House of Lords. Resulted in a terrible backlash against Catholics and is still marked to this day in England on the 5th of November

[Umbrella]

Ooh, that's a good one that I hadn't thought of.

[DaddyTorgo]

Good one Autumn.

[whomario]

You guys do some serious pre-work on your lists hmm? I basically just kinda...wing it.

me too. Although the thing with me is: I have some time on my hands and now i am having fun rummaging my brain for things i remember and then validating this by looking the details back up on the web. It is a pretty obscure list i am having, so i might save up some of those. Then again, i think i´m not alone in this seeing as the Guy Fawkes thing would have been right up my alley :) (not that one, but this sort of stuff)

[britrock88]

This is so much fun.

[Umbrella]

For me, I think the fun will be in the other people's picks that I hadn't considered. Although I think that says more about me in how much time I spent prepping for this. The Gunpowder Plot was the first one I realized I missed, and in a tough time frame to boot.

Plus, I'm sure I will learn a thing or three from this. That will be cool too, since I'm kind of a history nerd.

[DaddyTorgo]

me too. Although the thing with me is: I have some time on my hands and now i am having fun rummaging my brain for things i remember and then validating this by looking the details back up on the web. It is a pretty obscure list i am having, so i might save up some of those. Then again, i think i´m not alone in this seeing as the Guy Fawkes thing would have been right up my alley :) (not that one, but this sort of stuff)

Good to hear I'm not alone!

[whomario]

There´s a a couple really, really huge ones, that i thought would be picked immediately, still out there. Maybe because people think they are not "scandals".

So: Anything considered scandalous by a wide range of people at the time (or upon later discovery) is a scandal, correct ?

[Umbrella]

I agree. There's one in particular that I'm shocked hasn't been picked yet.

[britrock88]

2.3 Assassination of John F. Kennedy - 1960-79 - Politics

I feel like I have to.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah

[DaddyTorgo]

2.3 Assassination of John F. Kennedy - 1960-79 - Politics

I feel like I have to.

I guess we'll see what the voters have to say about that.

[Umbrella]

I assume that pick also involves all the controversy surrounding the assassination. And, as a bonus, that gets rid of the Marylin Monroe angle.

[JPhillips]

2.2 - Politics (1600s) - Gunpowder Treason Plot, Guy Fawkes, etc.

One of the most infamous plots of all time, an attempt to kill King James I and blow up the House of Lords. Resulted in a terrible backlash against Catholics and is still marked to this day in England on the 5th of November

I wanted that one. Good pick.

[Umbrella]

2.4 - Military - 1800's - The Dreyfus Affair

Dreyfus affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair)

One of the great instances of a miscarriage of justice. This had it all; antisemitism, public outrage, political and social implications.

I was forced to make this pick due to my mistake of using Clinton/Lewinsky as political, then realizing I just wiped out almost all of my 1800s options.

[whomario]

2.3 Assassination of John F. Kennedy - 1960-79 - Politics

I feel like I have to.

That was one of those i thought about when wondering about the nature of a scandal. Then again, i think there are several angles where you can make a case for this. I have a similarly controversial one coming up i guess ...

[larrymcg421]

2.4 - Military - 1800's - The Dreyfus Affair

Dreyfus affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair)

One of the great instances of a miscarriage of justice. This had it all; antisemitism, public outrage, political and social implications.

I was forced to make this pick due to my mistake of using Clinton/Lewinsky as political, then realizing I just wiped out almost all of my 1800s options.

This is a good one. There is a great movie called The Life of Emile Zola, about the writer who exposed this scandal.

[JPhillips]

2.5 - Military - 1700s - Benedict Arnold Defects

The name is still synonymous with traitor to this day. He's possibly the most reviled man in American history.

pm to whomario sent

[Umbrella]

This is a good one. There is a great movie called The Life of Emile Zola, about the writer who exposed this scandal.

I was actually contemplating using that movie and putting this in the Visual Arts category, but I thought that would be a little cheesy.

[Umbrella]

2.5 - Military - 1700s - Benedict Arnold Defects

The name is still synonymous with traitor to this day. He's possibly the most reviled man in American history.

pm to whomario sent

That's one I hadn't considered.

[whomario]

Going with the less controversial one here (i think) and sparing up the more controversial one for at least one round:

2.6 Religion - pre 1600 - Martin Luther pins his 95 theses in 1517

The Ninety-Five Theses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ninety-Five_Theses)

actually was thinking about leaving it be as i have other picks for this category, but after a reach in the first round ... ;) Purposely took the initial event, maybe leaving the door open for more fun stuff to be picked around that time period :)

pm sent.

[Umbrella]

Nice pick.

[JPhillips]

Going with the less controversial one here (i think) and sparing up the more controversial one for at least one round:

2.6 Religion - pre 1600 - Martin Luther pins his 95 theses in 1517

The Ninety-Five Theses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ninety-Five_Theses)

actually was thinking about leaving it be as i have other picks for this category, but after a reach in the first round ... ;) Purposely took the initial event, maybe leaving the door open for more fun stuff to be picked around that time period :)

pm sent.

Solid.

I chickened out because I wasn't sure it would be seen as a scandal.

[DaddyTorgo]

Going with the less controversial one here (i think) and sparing up the more controversial one for at least one round:

2.6 Religion - pre 1600 - Martin Luther pins his 95 theses in 1517

The Ninety-Five Theses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ninety-Five_Theses)

actually was thinking about leaving it be as i have other picks for this category, but after a reach in the first round ... ;) Purposely took the initial event, maybe leaving the door open for more fun stuff to be picked around that time period :)

pm sent.

Great pick.

[Umbrella]

I think those of us participating are a little lenient, since we know we will probably have to stretch the definition at some point.

[DaddyTorgo]

Fucko...I need to ready my rollover picks eh?

[britrock88]

I think I'll show myself to have a broad conception of "scandal" by the time the draft's done. :)

[larrymcg421]

Very good speed for the first day. I'll get the picks list updated this afternoon.

[JPhillips]

Fucko...I need to ready my rollover picks eh?

I'd appreciate it if you don't take any of my picks. Thanks.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'd appreciate it if you don't take any of my picks. Thanks.

If you PM them to me I'd be happy to not use them (unless of course one of them is the one that I'm basically already settled on for one of my two).

I mean, the only recrimation is public shame, but I like to think I'm an upstanding guy.

[Autumn]

boo hiss

[DaddyTorgo]

LOL hmm?

I mean...I know like 85% certainty what one of mine will be...the other I have a couple different ideas and it's still kinda wide open...I'd hate to stumble onto something that someone else is totally loving when I could have just as easily picked something else.

[DaddyTorgo]

Didn't we have a thread once that linked to all the past draft-threads?

[whomario]

I think we should try to "spell out" what makes it a scandal a bit more, not just equating momentous negative event = scandal.

In the Luther case, admittedly the 95 theses thing is merely the event synonymous with it, which is why i chose it :) I think what would make it difficult is that it was an unknown protesting against the leading class rather than one of the leading class fucking up which is what makes most scandals, well, scandalous. (Heck, the real scandal was probably the indulgences)
But since the the scandalous nature of the event was recognized at the time and the content of the theses even had the "press coverage" associated with modern scandals, i feel comfortable about it ;)

I think the farther back you go, the more difficult will it be to find scandals like those we have happening today. Then again, i could probably name a half dozen ones associated with Luther that were closer to modern definition but lack the shared-knowledge factor. Dude was badass in his way ;)

[JPhillips]

I'm just joking. I wouldn't really team up with anyone as that would spoil the fun.

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm just joking. I wouldn't really team up with anyone as that would spoil the fun.

LOL oh I'm just joking too.

I figured people got that.

[larrymcg421]

I think we should try to "spell out" what makes it a scandal a bit more, not just equating momentous negative event = scandal.

In the Luther case, admittedly the 95 theses thing is merely the event synonymous with it, which is why i chose it :) I think what would make it difficult is that it was an unknown protesting against the leading class rather than one of the leading class fucking up which is what makes most scandals, well, scandalous. (Heck, the real scandal was probably the indulgences)
But since the the scandalous nature of the event was recognized at the time and the content of the theses even had the "press coverage" associated with modern scandals, i feel comfortable about it ;)

Scandal can be anything you want it to be. It will be up to the voters to decide whether you stretched it too far. When the voting thread is opened, everyone will have a chance to make a case for their picks and against other's picks.

[JPhillips]

I'm not sure Autumn did, so I wanted to clarify.

But if your picks suck and mine win I'll be happy!

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm not sure Autumn did, so I wanted to clarify.

But if your picks suck and mine win I'll be happy!

:)

[Umbrella]

As a draft noob, how do the voters decide? Do they look at the overall "roster"? Do they look at good value per round? Or is it like HOF voting, and everyone has their own criteria?

[DaddyTorgo]

As a draft noob, how do the voters decide? Do they look at the overall "roster"? Do they look at good value per round? Or is it like HOF voting, and everyone has their own criteria?

More like HOF voting.

[whomario]

Scandal can be anything you want it to be. It will be up to the voters to decide whether you stretched it too far. When the voting thread is opened, everyone will have a chance to make a case for their picks and against other's picks.

nah, i honestly don´t care all that much either way as it is. I just think with a few cases (especially as we get more obscure) it will be interesting to get a few explanatory words to be able to "get it" :)

[Umbrella]

nah, i honestly don´t care all that much either way as it is. I just think with a few cases (especially as we get more obscure) it will be interesting to get a few explanatory words to be able to "get it" :)

Yeah, I like the idea of trying to defend our picks. I'm sure everyone will have to do it at some point.

[whomario]

another question that is probably totally obvious : How many picks do we make, anyhow ?

[larrymcg421]

10 picks. 1 for each category.

[whomario]

10 picks. 1 for each category.

ah, ok. And you also can chose each time period just once, correct ? Never stopped to consider that, that erases half my list right now :)

[larrymcg421]

ah, ok. And you also can chose each time period just once, correct ? Never stopped to consider that, that erases half my list right now :)

Yep.

[DaddyTorgo]

Okay...assuming NobodyHere doesn't take one of mine I think I've actually got them both lined up and ready to go.

[britrock88]

I mean, the only recrimation is public shame.

Once again, you may say... scandal. :)

[britrock88]

Yeah, I like the idea of trying to defend our picks. I'm sure everyone will have to do it at some point.

I like the idea of everyone getting, say, 250 or 500 words to pitch their roster to voters.

[JPhillips]

If there are going to be rules on pitches, the shorter the better. Remember there are ten pitches. Is any voter here going to read 5000 words?

[Umbrella]

I like a 500 word minimum. That way I can use it in the "Writing" category.

[DaddyTorgo]

I like a 500 word minimum. That way I can use it in the "Writing" category.

;)

[Umbrella]

I've planned out my remaining 8 picks. Although if any of them get taken before I grab them, I am in a world of hurt. This will be interesting.

[DaddyTorgo]

I've planned out my remaining 8 picks. Although if any of them get taken before I grab them, I am in a world of hurt. This will be interesting.

No doubt at least a couple of them will.

[NobodyHere]

2.7 - Science - 1600s - Galileo Affair

A classic battle of science vs religion.
Galileo affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair)

[Umbrella]

No doubt at least a couple of them will.

Yeah. I was sure Fatty Arbuckle would fall to me in the second round. I had to adjust my initial strategy accordingly.

[DaddyTorgo]

2.7 - Science - 1600s - Galileo Affair

A classic battle of science vs religion.
Galileo affair - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair)

Sweet - not on my list yet. Good pick though!

[Umbrella]

Very nice pick. One that was very high on my list.

[britrock88]

Was certainly eyeing that one. Good snag.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm so torn right now. i just came up with a great one for later, but do i block myself from using it by using that time-period for something else now that is less crazy but would leave a more attractive time period open?

[Umbrella]

Take the crazy one, since it probably isn't one I am planning on using.

[DaddyTorgo]

No, the crazy one is great, but it blocks off present day for me, which I feel like is the easiest time period to fill. or i can use the same category in a different time period, but that would block off a truly inspired idea I just had for that period

[JPhillips]

Yeah, the crazy one probably has a higher chance at sucking!

[Umbrella]

OK, now you HAVE to do the crazy one. I want to see what the definition of crazy is.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, the crazy one probably has a higher chance at sucking!

In a sense...

[DaddyTorgo]

Well it's not crazy-crazy...I just didn't want to tip my hand on it.

[DaddyTorgo]

2.8 Religion...

[Umbrella]

Actually, can you trade picks? That could make things very interesting, although extremely complicated.

[Umbrella]

2.8 Religion...

tease

[DaddyTorgo]

I'm honestly having a hard time deciding between the two religion ones. One time period just seems so much easier to fill than the other - but I think my backup idea for the tougher time-period is better, ya know?

[Autumn]

That's why we've all been thinking this through, DT ;-) Yeah, it can be tough to decide.

[JPhillips]

In a sense...

If it's religion, I thought about that one too.

[Umbrella]

I'm pretty sure I know one of the choices. ;)

[Umbrella]

Now that you've tipped your hand, you gotta take it. And it is still a very strong selection.

ETA: Not saying you HAVE to take it (voice inflection doesn't come across in print), but it will probably be going quickly afterwards.

[DaddyTorgo]

Now that you've tipped your hand, you gotta take it. And it is still a very strong selection.

ETA: Not saying you HAVE to take it (voice inflection doesn't come across in print), but it will probably be going quickly afterwards.

Not necessarily - my other choice would also block off the Catholic Church, just using a different time period.

[DaddyTorgo]

If it's religion, I thought about that one too.

Yeah. Hell with it...I can make it work.

2.8 Religion - Present Day: Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal

Surprised this lasted this long, what with it taking the Catholic Church out of play, with all their myriad scandals throughout the years.

[Umbrella]

Not necessarily - my other choice would also block off the Catholic Church, just using a different time period.
Actually, that brings up a good point. I was under the impression that the blocking off rule only applied to individuals, not institutions. If the entire Catholic Church gets blocked, that will probably remove a giant chunk of scandals under the religion category.

[JPhillips]

Yeah. Hell with it...I can make it work.

2.8 Religion - Present Day: Catholic Church Sex Abuse Scandal

Surprised this lasted this long, what with it taking the Catholic Church out of play, with all their myriad scandals throughout the years.

I don't think I have anything on my list church related, but I'd argue that it removes the Catholic Church entirely from the draft.

[Autumn]

Wellt hen has Galileo already ruled out the Catholic church? or Henry VIII?

[Umbrella]

I agree with Autumn. I would argue that we can't use any more Catholic sex scandals throughout history (of which there are plenty), but not the church as a whole.

[NobodyHere]

Yeah, I don't think you can rule out the whole church. Current leadership sure and any individual priest I believe are fair game to be blocked.

ETA: To quote the rules

4) Involved is vague, but let's be reasonable here. If you pick a hockey scandal, you don't get to block out every NHL player. I will make judgment calls if needed, but will lean towards letting voters punish you for trying to bend the rules.

[Umbrella]

Lost in the whole church argument is the fact that it was a very strong end of 2nd round pick.

[JPhillips]

I agree with Autumn. I would argue that we can't use any more Catholic sex scandals throughout history (of which there are plenty), but not the church as a whole.

I wouldn't even go that far. I'd only rule out the perpetrators and those known to have covered things up.

[DaddyTorgo]

So many good choices for my next one...do I go "insane" or "classic scandal" ?

[DaddyTorgo]

Fair enough - I wasn't trying to cock-block with the pick - I think it's strong enough on its own merits.

[Umbrella]

When in doubt, always pick crazy.

Just make sure to not stick around too long with her.

[Umbrella]

And there are still two picks that I thought were first rounders still on the board.

[Autumn]

I know I've got a lot of "first rounders" that I've just let sit there because there are many other options in that category, and there are some I'm worried about filling.

[DaddyTorgo]

Sorry, my computer is seizing up.

Yeah...I might have to take one of those surefire "first rounders." Not sure I can pass it up...I can find a "music" scandal next go round I think.

[DaddyTorgo]

3.1 Military - 1980-1999: Iran-Contra

Shocked that this is still on the board. Would have expected this to come off in the next 3 picks after Watergate really.

[Umbrella]

That was one I thought was a first rounder, and was debating between it and Monica. I figured the Clinton/Lewinsky was more famous.

[DaddyTorgo]

That was one I thought was a first rounder.

Yeah. I was torn between this and a music one from this time period, but I mean...this was just too big to pass up. Arguably the #2 scandal all-time in the US.

[NobodyHere]

Yeah, it's definitely a big one, I just thought that the category and timeframe were two of the more plentiful groups.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah, it's definitely a big one, I just thought that the category and timeframe were two of the more plentiful groups.

Oh yeah...no doubt. But I mean...at some point it just becomes way too good a value.

[NobodyHere]

It probably would've been automatic for me in rounds 4 or 5

[Umbrella]

I couldn't take it because I already used my time frame.

[larrymcg421]

I wouldn't even go that far. I'd only rule out the perpetrators and those known to have covered things up.

This is the correct interpretation of the rule.

[NobodyHere]

3.2 Politics- 1920-1939: Teapot Dome Scandal

Teapot Dome scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal)

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice one NH

[NobodyHere]

Thanks :)

[Umbrella]

Good pick.

[whomario]

3.3 Science - 1800s - Bone Wars

2 scientists undercutting each other at every opportunity in the field and in scientific publications, involving governmental agencies and national newspapers along the way. And in the end, everybody lost ...

Bone Wars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Wars)

(there´s an ok PBS documentary on this as well, Dinosaur Wars)

[DaddyTorgo]

Nice one!

[Umbrella]

This is the first one I had to look up. Very interesting read. Did you know about this one, or did you learn about it for the draft?

And it is pick 3.3 instead of 3.4

[whomario]

This is the first one I had to look up. Very interesting read. Did you know about this one, or did you learn about it for the draft?

And it is pick 3.3 instead of 3.4

knew about it beforehand luckily, science history like that has been a big part of my reading material forever (and to boot, a few weeks ago i also brushed up on my dinosaur/palaeontology related documentaries on a sick day :D ). Without taking anything away, science in the latter half of the 19th century is full of amazing stories.

[Umbrella]

It's pretty interesting. I know nothing about that topic. These picks are the reason I was excited about this draft, to learn about some new things.

[JPhillips]

3.4 - 1600s - Sex - Witches in Salem

Could have been politics, religion or sex, but I chose sex as nude rituals and demonic orgies were major accusations.

[Umbrella]

That was one of my plan B picks. This throws a minor wrench into my current pick.

[Umbrella]

Eh, I'll go with my original plan, and hope everything still plays out correctly.

3.5 - Music - 1960-1979 - Alan Freed/Dick Clark Congressional Hearings (Payola Scandal)

A scandal that ended the career, and life, of one of the early pioneers of Rock and Roll.

Some explanation may be needed on the time frame. Most people associate the payola scandal with the 50's, but the actual congressional hearings of the two most prominent people were in 1960, so I think this isn't unfair.

[DaddyTorgo]

Interesting classification of it.

[JPhillips]

I was hoping for that in a late round.

[cartman]

I've got three ideas on deck, so I should get at least one of them in.

[britrock88]

3.6 Scopes Trial - Science - 1920-39

[Umbrella]

Well damn, that was one I was going to take.

[Autumn]

3.7 - Abu Ghraib Prisoner Abuse, Military, 2000s

Biggest military scandal of our time, and a world changer when it comes to global perception of the U.S., internal perceptions of ourselves, and the nature of the war on terror.

[DaddyTorgo]

Jeezus - you mean this shit might actually loop back around to me AGAIN today??

[cartman]

3.8 Sports/Recreation, 2000-Present - The Lance Armstrong Lie

The 7 TdF victories, the legions of fans, the feel good story of the comeback from cancer. All gone due to the admissions of doping, and the wrongful attacks on those who tried to expose him.

[DaddyTorgo]

3.8 Sports/Recreation, 2000-Present - The Lance Armstrong Lie

The 7 TdF victories, the legions of fans, the feel good story of the comeback from cancer. All gone due to the admissions of doping, and the wrongful attacks on those who tried to expose him.

Nicely done. I was considering this for modern day too.

[ColtCrazy]

Great picks. For some reason, Martin Luther kept standing out for me. Nice to see whomario snag it fairly high.

[cartman]

4.1 Fictional, Pre-1600s - Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare

The love between Romeo, a Montague, and Juliet, a Capulet, was a great scandal in the setting of Verona in the 1500s, due to the intense enmity between the two families.

[cartman]

Jeezus - you mean this shit might actually loop back around to me AGAIN today??

Unless whomario has insomnia, probably not :D

[Autumn]

4.2 - Marquis de Sade, Sex, 1700s

Who better to represent scandalous sex than a French aristocrat who spent more of his life in prison or an insane asylum than out of it, all for his deviant sexual interests? You don't get sadism without de Sade. He was the talk of Revolutionary France for alleged affairs, sodomy, sexual imprisonment and torture, use of aphrodisiacs and seducing young men and women.

[larrymcg421]

4th round on the first day is terrific.

[JPhillips]

4.1 Fictional, Pre-1600s - Romeo and Juliet, William Shakespeare

The love between Romeo, a Montague, and Juliet, a Capulet, was a great scandal in the setting of Verona in the 1500s, due to the intense enmity between the two families.

Nice.

[JPhillips]

3.7 - Abu Ghraib Prisoner Abuse, Military, 2000s

Biggest military scandal of our time, and a world changer when it comes to global perception of the U.S., internal perceptions of ourselves, and the nature of the war on terror.

I might have gone with torture rather than just Abu Ghraib. The same thing was happening all over the globe.

[Umbrella]

4.2 - Marquis de Sade, Sex, 1700s

Who better to represent scandalous sex than a French aristocrat who spent more of his life in prison or an insane asylum than out of it, all for his deviant sexual interests? You don't get sadism without de Sade. He was the talk of Revolutionary France for alleged affairs, sodomy, sexual imprisonment and torture, use of aphrodisiacs and seducing young men and women.

Wow. That was my complete sleeper pick. My draft strategy got blown up.

[Autumn]

My bad, guys, I think I forgot to PM Britrock that he was up last night.

[Umbrella]

I think Autumn stole my pre-draft notes. I had both Oscar Wilde and Marquis de Sade as good picks that nobody would get before me.

What topic does the "stealing the scandal draft notes" fall under?

Also, good picks on Lance Armstrong and Abu Ghraib. Both were on my list, but as backups. I didn't have Romeo and Juliet, but I really like that pick. The Fictional category is the one that gave me the most trouble, so I'm sure there will be a bunch I didn't think of.

[britrock88]

4.3 Fountain, by Marcel Duchamp - Visual Art - 1900-19

http://pencilkings.com/wp-content/uploads/posts/342c5ba9310e_A46B/Most-shocking-art_Marcel_Duchamp_Fountain.jpg

What is art, anyway?

[Umbrella]

Hahaha. That is another one I have never heard about. Very creative pick.

[Umbrella]

4.4 The Scarlet Letter - Fictional - 1600's

A classic about having a child out of wedlock in the middle of the 17th century. Pretty scandalous behavior.

[Autumn]

4.3 Fountain, by Marcel Duchamp - Visual Art - 1900-19

http://pencilkings.com/wp-content/uploads/posts/342c5ba9310e_A46B/Most-shocking-art_Marcel_Duchamp_Fountain.jpg

What is art, anyway?

Crap, you bastard!

I almost went ahead and grabbed it several picks ago, worried it would get stolen, but decided to ride it out. Damn.

[JPhillips]

4.5 -The McCarthy Hearings - Politics - 1940-1959

Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Communist party?

Sorry for the delay, I was in class.

[whomario]

surprised no one claimed that one before !

what timing btw ;) literally just sent my next pick as pn to Larry as i will be gone a bit, but here goes anyway:

4.6 Writing - 1600s - Thomas Overbury

could be politics or sex as well i guess, but i kinda like the writing angle best here.

Basically it came down to Overbury writing a poem to convince his bro, Robert Carr, that marrying the Lady Essex (who was still married to another at the time) was a bad idea because she was kinda bad news (plus, he was jealous). Unfortunately, she got the intent and murder and (more) scandal ensued.

Thomas Overbury - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Overbury)

The wikipedia article fails to mention that Overbury also routinely slammed his opponents in "libels" which were kinda like (often anonymous) rap songs of ye olde days complete with sexual stereotyping and everything...

Here´s one (not by Overbury) on the Lady Essex:

Essex bird hath flowen hir cage,
And’s gone to Court to ly with a Page.
She was a lady fyne of late,
She could not be entred shee was soe streight:
But now with use she is soe wyde
A Car may enter on every side.

[Umbrella]

I'm a little surprised McCarthy lasted so long as well. I had it as an ace in the hole in case some of my other picks get screwed up.

The Overbury hanging is one I discovered while prepping for the draft. I had it keyed as writing as well.

[JPhillips]

I'm a little surprised McCarthy lasted so long as well. I had it as an ace in the hole in case some of my other picks get screwed up.

Politics is really deep, but I thought that was good value in round four and I can handle losing that time period.

Of course now all communists and suspected communists are of the board, right? Oh, and Senators.