College Football Week 4 discussion

[cartman]

Two Top 25 matchups this week:

Auburn at Kansas State (Thursday night)
Clemson at Florida State

[digamma]

In the ACC, Georgia Tech also plays at Virginia Tech. Between GT, Clemson, VPI and FSU, they have taken up 14 of the 18 slots in the ACC championship games. So history makes this an important weekend even if the eye tests so far this season do not.

[Kodos]

Time for another ass-kicking from Missouri. Great...

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Time for another ass-kicking from Missouri. Great...

Not sure of forecast in mid-Missouri, but 80% chance of rain here on Saturday. Would make it a bit more interesting with a good storm during the game.

[Matthean]

Seems odd for the Big Ten to complain about how hard it is to schedule in conference games now and then have 4 OOC games to start the season. Here's the only Big Ten games with a pulse.

Miami(U) @ Nebraska
Utah @ Michigan
Iowa @ Pitt

Also of note, 'Bama welcomes Florida to the beginning of one nasty stretch run in their schedule.

[tarcone]

Iowa doesnt have a pulse. Boring, conservative, boring football. Pitt will roll Iowa.

[tarcone]

Cartman, does this look familiar? I think it was one you showed me that was burnt orange and white a couple years ago.

http://site-1410754004083-39000686068411091.webs.com/photos/iowa%20greg%20davis%20system.jpg

[cartman]

Yep, that is all too familiar. Davis is a very underrated QB coach, and a very overrated play caller.

[tarcone]

Its interesting you say he is an underrated QB coach. The QBs he has coached at Iowa have all regressed under him. I dont think he knows how to coach QBs.

[cartman]

He did a great job with them at Texas. Here is the list from his time there:

Major Applewhite
Chris Simms
Vince Young
Colt McCoy

They all had great improvement between when they came to campus and left, and he was the QB coach as well as the OC.

[BishopMVP]

Great front-page story from ESPN on Nebraska's Ameer Abdullah - Nebraska RB Ameer Abdullah an uncommon talent - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11531690/nebraska-rb-ameer-abdullah-uncommon-talent)

Figured we could use a positive story about a potential NFL RB right about now.

[Lathum]

FSU QB Jameis Winston suspended for the first half against Clemson | Dr. Saturday - Yahoo Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/fsu-coach-jimbo-fisher-still-mulling-punishment-for-jameis-winston-154947643.html)

what an idiot.

[Matthean]

Gonna cost him some money come draft time.

Michigan and Texas will do a home and home in 2024 and 2027.

[Lathum]

Gonna cost him some money come draft time.

.

I am having this very discussion with a coworker over work chat. He is going to cost himself a shot at 1.1. Given his history and the climate of the NFL teams are going to be reluctant to make him the face of the franchise.

Unless the Cowboys pick 1.1

[Matthean]

I think he's going to be a hard sell for #1 overall with Marcus Mariota being there.

[Noop]

Jameis is a dumbass something about him is off.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jameis is a dumbass something about him is off.

Pretty much my take. At this point I really don't know if he's a "bad guy" so much as maybe he's just not all there.

[Butter]

I think he is a Grade A narcissist the likes of which we just don't see too often.

Most college football players already think they are God's gift to the world... but I think he really takes it to a much higher level than normal.

On a related note, who is FSU's backup QB?

[JonInMiddleGA]

On a related note, who is FSU's backup QB?
Here ya go, from the Miami Herald

Sean Maguire, a third-year sophomore from New Jersey, will start at quarterback for FSU against Clemson.

Maguire entered spring camp in 2013 as a fourth-stringer. But Winston’s overwhelming success led fellow challengers Clint Trickett and Jacob Coker to transfer and allowed Maguire to ascend to No. 2 on the depth chart.

Maguire has 144 passing yards, two touchdowns and two interceptions in his brief career. He completed three of five passes for 28 yards in relief duty during FSU’s win against The Citadel on Sept. 6.

[Butter]

So, what you're saying is that they'll be running the ball a whole hell of a lot in the first half against Clemson.

[Logan]

He could end up being a great player, and I never saw him personally...but I remember that in the NJ high school football circles there being a lot of surprise when he got a commitable offer to FSU.

[cartman]

Figured this was coming. Concussions aren't something to mess around with.

David Ash of Texas Longhorns to end career after tough year - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11545008/david-ash-texas-longhorns-end-career-tough-year)

[Matthean]

Figured this was coming. Concussions aren't something to mess around with.

David Ash of Texas Longhorns to end career after tough year - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11545008/david-ash-texas-longhorns-end-career-tough-year)

There's just some things you don't screw with.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Mizzou/UConn announce a home/home series.

MUTIGERS.COM Mizzou-UCONN Agree to Home-and-Home Football Series - Official Athletic Site Official Athletic Site - Football (http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091814aaa.html)

[Butter]

Jesus Christ K-State.

[General Mike]

Seems odd for the Big Ten to complain about how hard it is to schedule in conference games now and then have 4 OOC games to start the season. Here's the only Big Ten games with a pulse.

Miami(U) @ Nebraska
Utah @ Michigan
Iowa @ Pitt

Also of note, 'Bama welcomes Florida to the beginning of one nasty stretch run in their schedule.

Rutgers @ Navy has a pulse.

[mckerney]

Jameis Winston now suspended for the full Clemson game, waiting for him to come out and say, "I ain't come here to play behavior."

[mckerney]

Cartman, does this look familiar? I think it was one you showed me that was burnt orange and white a couple years ago.

http://site-1410754004083-39000686068411091.webs.com/photos/iowa%20greg%20davis%20system.jpg

Based on that, at least coaches in Iowa know you're allowed to put more than one receiver on the field at a time. Minnesota's 3rd and 5 gameplan calls for running the Maryland I.

[Matthean]

Jameis Winston now suspended for the full Clemson game, waiting for him to come out and say, "I ain't come here to play behavior."

His situation brings up in interesting plot to a team who wants in the playoff but would be out of it in part due to a player's suspension. Would the group picking teams forgive a loss due to somebody like Winston sitting?

[Buccaneer]

I think Ms. Ponder summed it up nicely: he thinks he's above the law/rules since he reached the pinnacle of college football success and feel he's untouchable. Problem is, even he doesn't play another down (assuming he's not in jail), he'll get his millions in the draft.

[MrBug708]

Gotta love Mike London

[Matthean]

Mizzou/UConn announce a home/home series.

MUTIGERS.COM Mizzou-UCONN Agree to Home-and-Home Football Series - Official Athletic Site Official Athletic Site - Football (http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091814aaa.html)

This belongs in the college basketball thread. :D

[cuervo72]

This far in and we still have bames like MSU/E Mich, Bowling Green/Wisc and Troy/Georgia? C'mon, now.

[Matthean]

This far in and we still have bames like MSU/E Mich, Bowling Green/Wisc and Troy/Georgia? C'mon, now.

As I said before, and we have teams in the Power 5 talking about how hard it is to schedule against teams in the conference. No it isn't. Stop scheduling four OOC games with at least three of them being cakewalks.

[SackAttack]

Mizzou/UConn announce a home/home series.

MUTIGERS.COM Mizzou-UCONN Agree to Home-and-Home Football Series - Official Athletic Site Official Athletic Site - Football (http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091814aaa.html)

UConn has a football team?

[TroyF]

This far in and we still have bames like MSU/E Mich, Bowling Green/Wisc and Troy/Georgia? C'mon, now.

Yeah, not a lot of big games. Hard to blame that group though. Michigan St went to Oregon. Wisconsin played LSU. Georgia has already played Clemson and South Carolina.

It's really a poor slate overall the last two weekends.

[tarcone]

Iowa put CJ Beathard in at QB early in the 2nd half. We were down 17-7. In the 3 series Beathard has been in and Iowa now leads 24-20.
This guy should have been playing all season. He has a better arm and is more athletic then our starter.

7 minutes left in the game

[tarcone]

Iowa wins. That was a nice bounce back. I hope Iowa stays with Beathard. He was a stud today.

[mauchow]

The Badgers about to surpass 600 yards rushing.... 250 of those yards from former Heisman Hopeful, Melvin Gordon. He put on some nice runs today along with Clement. Those two are a pretty nice RB Duo, I'd put 'em up with anybody in the country.

The QB problem is still there, however. Tanner McEvoy still can't hit a medium or deep ball to save his life. His short stuff isn't even average. He lays the receivers out to dry and can't hit wide open dump passes on the run. Thankfully with the Badgers schedule so terrible, they may by default be in the Big Ten Championship game against MSU; which would actually make for an interesting game from a national perspective if both teams do win out to that game.

[cartman]

CPJ pulls another win out of the hat. GT beats Va Tech with a FG as time expires.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, not a lot of big games. Hard to blame that group though. Michigan St went to Oregon. Wisconsin played LSU. Georgia has already played Clemson and South Carolina.

It's really a poor slate overall the last two weekends.

I suppose that's fair.

[miked]

I could just watch Frank Beemer with that stupid, dumbfounded look on his face all week. Looks like I'm going to GT-Miami as the game will mean something.

Now just need RU to hold off a ground and pound Navy.

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, not a lot of big games. Hard to blame that group though. Michigan St went to Oregon. Wisconsin played LSU. Georgia has already played Clemson and South Carolina.

It's really a poor slate overall the last two weekends.

Georgia and SC are in the same conference division. Them playing each other is not a matter of choice. Agreed about Clemson, though.

And I should note, all of those opponents, at least, are FBS opponents.

[tarcone]

Who is Michigans next coach?

[bob]

East Carolina has 63? I know they beat VT, but so did GT. are they that good or does unc's d stink?

[BillJasper]

Who is Michigans next coach?

I think they'll make a play for Jim Harbaugh.

[Lathum]

Huskies looking forward to Stanford and are on the verge of being down two scores to Georgia State.

[JonInMiddleGA]

East Carolina has 63? I know they beat VT, but so did GT. are they that good or does unc's d stink?

Make it an even 70.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Huskies looking forward to Stanford and are on the verge of being down two scores to Georgia State.

That's a fire-the-coach kinda loss right there (hypothetically speaking)

[tarcone]

Indiana is on Mizzous 3
30 seconds left

[Poli]

HOOSIERS.

[cartman]

Time for another ass-kicking from Missouri. Great...

Congrats Kodos! The reverse psychology worked! :D

[TroyF]

Congrats Kodos! The reverse psychology worked! :D

Stupid penalty to give Missouri another chance. How many times do you see something like that come back to bite a team in the ass?

[TroyF]

OK, I guess when Missouri wants to call an idiotic play, it doesn't matter. What a moronic play call.

[ColtCrazy]

How about those Hoosiers!!!! Lose to lowly Bowling Green one week, beat #18 on the road the next.

[Butter]

IU trying to restore some respectability to the Big Ten's non-con slate.

IU. Nice job, Hoosiers!

[TroyF]

Mizzou/UConn announce a home/home series.

MUTIGERS.COM Mizzou-UCONN Agree to Home-and-Home Football Series - Official Athletic Site Official Athletic Site - Football (http://www.mutigers.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/091814aaa.html)

Do they ever plan to have a true non conference opponent? In the last 7 years, the best I see is Arizona St. With the SEC, do they figure even that is too tough now?

[tarcone]

B1G had a good day today with the exception of Michigan.

[TroyF]

LSU is such a strange football team. They can look so putrid at times and then flip a switch and become dominant. Mississippi St. looks like Alabama right now. They are doing anything they want against LSU. 150+ passing yards in the quarter. They just put up a goal line stop and proceeded to give up a 98 yard TD drive. 5 plays, 98 yards, 1:21 off the clock.

Yikes.

Yet is there any doubt they'll come back and find a way to win? Strange, strange team

[cartman]

B1G had a good day today with the exception of Michigan.

Illinois is trying to join Michigan in the bad day column. Still have a ways to go, but they are trailing Texas State.

[CU Tiger]

I've been out of the country without cell/internet/tv access all week.
I got back in this AM and started catching up on all this Jameis Winston drama...

Wow....and its still continuing.

Hoping for a good game tonight but its a lose lose in a way. If Clemson pulls the upset it doesnt matter because they didnt get FSU's best shot. Meanwhile if they lose, its magnified because they lost to the only conference rival with their back up QB.

Oh well Im a tad sun burned, uber relaxed and way out of the loop...Im going to watch and enjoy this regardless of outcome.

BTW congrats Kodos...I just yelled exhuberantly and my wife was really confused as to why I cared that much about this game. I jus chuckled and said "its a football board inside joke"...

[cartman]

LSU is such a strange football team. They can look so putrid at times and then flip a switch and become dominant. Mississippi St. looks like Alabama right now. They are doing anything they want against LSU. 150+ passing yards in the quarter. They just put up a goal line stop and proceeded to give up a 98 yard TD drive. 5 plays, 98 yards, 1:21 off the clock.

Yikes.

Yet is there any doubt they'll come back and find a way to win? Strange, strange team

Mississippi State is not a bad team

[TroyF]

Vandy and Miss. St. both with double TD leads against ranked opponents in the SEC

[TroyF]

Mississippi State is not a bad team

I know they aren't a bad team. Neither is Wisconsin who made LSU look like a junior high team until LSU decided to start playing. I could probably go back and find 10 LSU games like this in the last 5 years. You think they are dead and they will storm back.

Don't take anything of what I said to imply that they aren't a good team. Miss St. has some damned good athletes. IVery impressed with them.

[BishopMVP]

Vandy and Miss. St. both with double TD leads against ranked opponents in the SEC

Vandy??? They're... not good.

[Chief Rum]

Vandy??? They're... not good.

That may be, although I believe Troy was just stating a fact of today's scoreboard at the time he posted it.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Mississippi State is not a bad team

Given what I believe they've spent in the past year or two they shouldn't be.

[TroyF]

I think we can all agree Vandy sucks and Miss St. is a good football team.

The Gamecocks have cut the lead to 4 with plenty of time left in the first half. They could go into the locker room with the lead. LSU down 14 to Miss St. at halftime.

Am I the only one who hates Jimbo Fisher with a passion? Everytime I see him talk, I just want to punch him. Watching Winsten running up and down the sideline pumping his fist doesn't help eihter. I think I may hate Florida St. now more than Alabama. Always like them before. I have issues :)

[cuervo72]

No sooner do I tune in hoping to see an upset...

[JPhillips]

Given what I believe they've spent in the past year or two they shouldn't be.

Hey, they have to keep up with Ole Miss.

[cuervo72]

No sooner do I tune in hoping to see an upset...

In the kitchen for one score, on CLEM/FSU for the second and looking better!

[cartman]

Oklahoma and West by god Virginia with a shootout in the first half

[TroyF]

LSU really needs to turn it up quick or this will not be one of those games.

The Florida St. QB looks terrible. If Winston were to get hurt or suspended for more time, I'm wondering how many games FSU would lose, the rest of the year. I think it would be at least 2 or 3.

Don't get me wrong, I understand anyone losing a Heisman calibur QB would be in trouble. I just didn't think he'd be this bad.

[Matthean]

I think they'll make a play for Jim Harbaugh.

And he will laugh his face off. Same as my Dad mentioning Les Miles as a possibility. Those ships have sailed. They need to find somebody that fits for them and has built up a Power 5 conference team. I wouldn't be against Michigan's AD showing up on Narduzzi's door step with a truck load of money and see what happens. I don't think Hell is cold enough for it to happen, but it would be interesting.

[Bigsmooth]

This Perine kid from Oklahoma is a beast. Fun to watch him run.

[tarcone]

Clemson's D Line is abusing FSU's O Line. Not saying the kid at QB isn't over-matched, but he is not having a good time when he drops back.

[TroyF]

Three quarters for Miss St, 520 yards.

Meanwhile, Florida St. has 84 yards at halftime. Clemson may end up regretting not building a bigger lead in this game.

That said, FSU is going to need some special teams, defensive TD type of event to happen. I just can't see this QB leading them to 3 straight first downs, much less 10 points.

[TroyF]

Clemson's D Line is abusing FSU's O Line. Not saying the kid at QB isn't over-matched, but he is not having a good time when he drops back.

Yeah, the OLine is getting destroyed, but he's so over matched at this point it wouldn't matter. Hell, I think it might be worse. The better protection he gets would mean he'd make more reads and throws.His accuracy and decision making are off the charts bad. I know he's young and maybe he'll turn it around. right now it's bad.

[CU Tiger]

Clemson may end up regretting not building a bigger lead in this game.

That said, FSU is going to need some special teams, defensive TD type of event to happen. I just can't see this QB leading them to 3 straight first downs, much less 10 points.


Agreed with the bolded and it makes me a touch nervous.

That said my boys aren't letting them run the ball either... Clemson should have a top 5 D-Line this year. Lots of people forgot them after the UGA perfomance when 2 of their top 5 D-Linemen were suspended.

The second half is going to age me. But I just hope the coaches will stick with Deshaun Watson...the kid is special. He holds darn near every GA HS record for a QB. He is going to make a WTF play at some point, he is 18 years old, a true freshman, but he has the ability to do things that Stoudt simply doesnt possess the God give ability to do. The fact that he is a legit great kid is just a bonus. As a true freshman early enrolee during his first spring practice he pulled a JR aside and lambasted him for poor effort. I've been a big Watson fan for a few years and I HOPE he gets the spotlight in the 2nd half for all the right reasons.

[tarcone]

Mississippi St. is just having their way with LSU.

[TroyF]

He's now making simple reads, simple throws. INT returned for a pick six coming up in 3, 2, 1. . .

[TroyF]

Note: Even if it isn't on this drive, I believe it will happen. This guy is horrible and his accuracy is comical. The fact he led them on this drive is going to improve his confidence and the FSU play callers confidence. That is going to be a VERY bad combination.

[CU Tiger]

Troy I dont disagree, but the Cover 1 Bubble with pressure under isnt condusive to INTs.

[tarcone]

Oregon, Oklahoma and 2 SEC teams in the playoffs. And Oklahoma and Oregon arent shoo-ins. We could see 4 SEC teams in the playoffs. I know it wont happen, but jeez, that conference is loaded.

[Kodos]

Wow! Huge win for Indiana!

[Kodos]

Congrats Kodos! The reverse psychology worked! :D

:D

Biggest win for Indiana since the Bucket game after Terry Hoeppner died. If we had somehow lost after that bogus roughing the passer call, I would have lost it.

As utterly deflating as the Bowling Green loss was last week, this is a real shot in the arm for Indiana football.

[TroyF]

Triple coverage on 3rd and long, that may snap the FSU coaching staff back to reality. That ball should have been picked off.

[Chief Rum]

Oregon, Oklahoma and 2 SEC teams in the playoffs. And Oklahoma and Oregon arent shoo-ins. We could see 4 SEC teams in the playoffs. I know it wont happen, but jeez, that conference is loaded.

What are you seeing to suggest that? They certainly could get two teams in because, well, it's the SEC and all of college football blows them. But I haven't seen any indications they are even more dominant than usual this year. Probably less actually.

[cuervo72]

Effing LSU...

[ColtCrazy]

Really not sure why you shotgun snap up 12 with less than 2 left, but hey, Miss St. doing what they can to let LSU come back. Now up just 5

[cuervo72]

I was out of the room when they were deep in LSU territory earlier too. Was amazed to come back LSU with the ball and still 34 points. FG, guys. FG.

[Buccaneer]

Tense ending in the Miss St - LSU game.

[CU Tiger]

I'm checking out for thi 4th quarter so I can cuss in private...see yall soon.

[Eaglesfan27]

That was an ugly sequence by Clemson.

[B & B]

(must sing in adam sandler voice)


bad snap
draw play
miss right field goal

sloppy dabo
slop , sloppy dabo

[bob]

Surprised they didn't review that first down run - looked like he was in to me before the other Clemson screwups killed that drive.

[TroyF]

What a catch.

[TroyF]

Every other play is a near INT for Clemson. If that last throw is 1 foot down, it's the pick six I predicted. Clemson,still needs to put the game away. Far too close for how they have dominated. One huge D play or one of the FSU playmakers hits on a single play, all of that work so far is for naught.

[nol]

All I'm asking for is FSU to lose this game, run the table, and miss out on the playoffs in some selection committee controversy so every single college football historian from now on has to be well-versed in this stupid meme.

[B & B]

Nobody snatches defeat from the jaws of victory like Clemson.


NOBODY!

[TroyF]

And there you go. Now the kickers are in play and who are you going to take there? This frosh QB for Clemson has it ALL on his shoulders now.

[TroyF]

That is a clear catch.

[TroyF]

Do not run out of bounds kid. You want FSU to waste those time outs and your kicker sucks ass. .


Well, never mind. Clemson again tries to choke this away. Comical.

[B & B]

I repeat


NOBODY!

[TroyF]

With the Clemson time out, I'm launching a bomb if I'm FSU. Go two vertical and hope Clemson is locked on the run. Tell the QB to throw it to single coverage.

[TroyF]

well, never mind. Why in the hell did Clemson take the TO on third down?

[B & B]

Nah, great TO Dabo.

make em take dat knee.

huzzah

[TroyF]

If Clemson doesn't have a miracle 3rd down play here, they are screwed. The game is as good as over.

[TroyF]

YOU MUST GO FOR IT

[tarcone]

Choke city

[Marmel]

4th and short or 3rd and goal and you are in the shotgun is just stupid football.

[TroyF]

Well, now all the FSU QB has to do is hand off and give it to the all american kicker. I'll have to turn it off after the ball goes through the goal posts. I refuse to watch Winston or Fisher celebrate. Thanks Clemson. Nice choke job.

[tarcone]

Winston avoids being the most hated man in Tallahassee

[SirFozzie]

Clemson Clemson'd it.

[B & B]

Clemson Clemson'd it.

basically , how I felt the whole game was gonna play out

[JonInMiddleGA]

Just ... wow.

Even for Clemson, that's just fucking epic.

[CU Tiger]

TroyF....I'm not sure how losing by 6 against the #1 team in America at their home field in OT is a choke.

Clemson was a 12 point dog WITHOUT JW against the #1 team in their place with the longest winning streak in the country. They took them to OT..and thats a choke job?

I refuse to accept that. A very good win by FSU...Clemson had their chances but couldnt pull it out, but this wasnt a choke.

To say so is insulting to all the players on that field on BOTH sides of the ball.

[B & B]

C'mon JIMG, this is right up there with many of their heimlick maneuvers versus GT

[JonInMiddleGA]

Sorry Tiger, but once you hold FSU to that amount of offense for 4 quarters and find a way to lose ... I'll give full credit to the FSU defense as being a contributor worthy of winning that game but it's really hard to avoid the "c" word on that one.

I'd consider that one of the most epic giveaways / failures to capitalize I've ever seen by any team ever.

[JonInMiddleGA]

C'mon JIMG, this is right up there with many of their heimlick maneuvers versus GT

Not sure whether those were of this level, in terms of impact anyhow.

[Galaril]

Can't believe I am going to say this but I believe Holtz and think ND beats FSU somehow later in the season . I am not sure FSU is top 4 team frankly.

[CU Tiger]

Guys, I fully admit I am biased. Again I know all 107 members of this team personally...Ive talked at times to everyone of them. I know their parents, their HS coaches, their friends...so yeah I am biased.

But on Monday Clemson was a 20.5 point under dog.
When Winston was ruled out for a half that was moved to a 15 point dog, when it was announced he wouldnt play all game Clemson was moved to "only" an 11.5 point dog...

They lost by 6 in OT.
In Tally.
To the 1 team in the country....

If thats choking there are a lot of teams in America who would like to choke.

I don't buy it.

I wrote numerous articles before the season that Clemson would start 1-2 and finish 9-3 and in a major bowl. I still thin all that is possible.,...after tonight I actually think 10-2 is possible...though not likely.

[tarcone]

2 missed FGs. A fumble late in the game in the red zone. Poor execution in the red zone all evening.
Kids sometimes play tight. Doesnt matter if your biased or not. Doesnt matter what the point spread was. It just is what it is.
I know your mind wont change, but if it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck, Im pretty sure its a duck.

[B & B]

First off,

FSU is not the #1 team in the country in a game without last years Heisman winner, period.

The fact that his backup was last years 4th stringer who stuck around makes it even worse. He had no running game, poor protection, and 3 days to prepare for his first starting job. Gimme a break.

Clemson choked. They had the game won, actually more than once, and they choked.

The fact that you know the team and the players is great. The fact that you know and follow the spread from start to finish, tracking movement throughout the "Fuck her right in the pussy" is an entire different matter.

Heres three facts:

Just because you 'covered' doesn't mean you didn't shit the bed.
FSU isn't winning the National title this year.
Clemson will never win one with Dabo.

[JonInMiddleGA]

re: the whole choking thing.

I don't know if "choke", in the sense of pressure got to them, is the word.

But I know this: if it were GT or Tennessee, two teams near & dear to me that I believe are at least a full step (or more) beneath Clemson I'd be talking in terms of "epic collapse"

[CU Tiger]

First off,

FSU is not the #1 team in the country in a game without last years Heisman winner, period.

The fact that his backup was last years 4th stringer who stuck around makes it even worse. He had no running game, poor protection, and 3 days to prepare for his first starting job. Gimme a break.

Clemson choked. They had the game won, actually more than once, and they choked.

The fact that you know the team and the players is great. The fact that you know and follow the spread from start to finish, tracking movement throughout the "Fuck her right in the pussy" is an entire different matter.

Heres three facts:

Just because you 'covered' doesn't mean you didn't shit the bed.
FSU isn't winning the National title this year.
Clemson will never win one with Dabo.


Let's cover a few things.
I didnt follow and track the spread at any point...in fact I was away from a computer from Saturday the 13th at 10A until this morning at 9A because of family vacation. I did read about it today. I make the point because Vegas isnt wrong very much...they make millions by that fact.

Clemson is a very small school (13,000 undergrad enrollement) among the 10 smallest in the Power 5.
They have won exactly 1 MNC in history. To say they wont win one with Dabo means he is equal to John Heisman...they didnt win a NC under him either.
I dont consider Dabo a great coach...certainly not a great X&O's coach. But I can assure you we will never embarass ourselves the way FSU is right now.

Not too long ago a similarly talented Freshman WR was arrested for a stupid mistake in Clemson, SC. Coach Swinney took that young man aside WITH HIS PARENTS and handed him a book. A book with over 500 pages, with 1 paragraph underlined. He and the parents sat silent while the kid found the passage. The Book was the Bible...the kid was Sammy Watkins...Sammy has Luke 12:48 tattooed over his heart today because of that meeting. "To whom much was given; much will be required"...for a much smaller offense (riding in a car with a soccer player known to be a bad apple and being pulled over Sammy sat 2 games ...find the facts Sammy passed a school administered drug test within 24 hours of the stop) there was no delay until the school administration weighed in. One of those 2 games was against Auburn in the kickoff classic.

I'm not sure what your point is. Dabo isnt the best coach in the country, Ive never suggested as much. He isnt even top 10. But he is EXCELLENT at developing young men into MEN..look at his track record. I'll take him and what he stands for over any other coach I know. The fact that he has this team playing so far above their heads is a bonus. Look at the record books...Clemson isnt Alabama, it isnt Notre Dame, it isnt Southenrn Cal...these are the best years in Clemson history and they are doing it the right way. When they lose a tough OT game to the best team in the country by less than half the points spread and people pile on them..I will step up to defend them. Sorry if that hits you the wrong way.

[CU Tiger]

re: the whole choking thing.

I don't know if "choke", in the sense of pressure got to them, is the word.

But I know this: if it were GT or Tennessee, two teams near & dear to me that I believe are at least a full step (or more) beneath Clemson I'd be talking in terms of "epic collapse"

Jon...I'm hurting for these kids tonight no doubt.
I'm hurting that they didnt capitalize on the opportunity they had to win this game.

I know they had a chance to win this game, a chance they wouldnt have had a few years ago under Coach Bowden (a personal friend)...CTB's teams invented the term "pulling a Clemson"...that term was buried 5 years ago.

If "pulling a Clemson" means losing by 6 in OT on the road against the best team in the country a lot of teams WISH they could "pull a Clemson".

Did they squander an opportunity?
For sure.
Did they choke?
I didnt see that.

[CU Tiger]

Better than I could say it

*** "First of all I want to congratulate Florida State. What a great fight by their team. They didn't quit when their backs were up against the wall. They didn't quit. They went out and created a turnover. I have great respect for a great competitor. I thought they competed, hung in there and fought. Great teams find a way to win. They've won 19 in a row now for a reason. We're not quite there, and I love my guys. I'm so proud of their toughness, will to win and their fight. We have to learn to finish. These type of games are truly a few plays and I'm sure everyone in here can count about three plays. But we have improved. After three ballgames if I take a 30,000 ft view, we've improved. We didn't finish. We have improved, though, as a team. We ought to be a battle-tested team going forward.

"It's a game of missed opportunities tonight for the Clemson Tigers. I'm proud of our coaches and players. Just incredible fight from everybody. I wish I could tell you why crazy things happen, but that's football. Sometimes you grow through things. Every time I've had a little pain, something good has always come from it. I don't like it. I'd much rather us make fourth and a foot or make one of those kicks. But I know God never says oops. That's how I live my life. I know we'll grow, get better and keep moving forward.

"After week three we are a better team than we were in week one. Nobody is happy that we are 1-2. But the season is not decided in September. We have a long way to go if we can continue to play with that type of passion. If we can correct some mistakes, we can win a bunch of games. It's a hurting team in there right now, then we're moving on. We'll grow from this one.

"There will be a lot of great things on this tape. I think they had negative rushing yards through four quarters. Obviously they hit that one big play, but that's football. We made a lot of great plays in all phases. The season starts tomorrow for us. That's just our mentality. We've got nine ballgames left. If we can clean up a bunch of mistakes, we'll win a bunch of games. We're still in the car for the conference. We just don't have our hands on the steering wheel. There's no quitters on this staff. There's no quitters on our team.

"Fourth and a foot; that's on me. Again, I didn't come here to play passive. Disappointed that we didn't make it. We had already missed a couple of kicks and they made a 51-yarder. But that one's on me.

"Just want to stress one more time that I'm really proud of Florida State for their fight. I found a few of them after the game to tell them that I appreciate the competitors they are. Feels a lot like it felt down here in 2010.

"We'll pick ourselves up and we'll move forward. I know Clemson nation is hurting right now. Big time. Hang in there with us. Hang in there. Got a long way to go. I think we've got four of our next five in the Valley and we need to get some positive momentum."

[bronconick]

That kicking game was karma for one of those Wide Rights.

[MrBug708]

The Cal Arizona game was nuts

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jon...I'm hurting for these kids tonight no doubt.
I'm hurting that they didnt capitalize on the opportunity they had to win this game.

I completely get that, I really do.

Friday night, kids that I've come to know as my son has grown up with them, went down 21-0 on the road to the best team in the region. A team that's easily their most respected rival over 30 years.

And then it was 21-6, individual effort by the QB who is my son's best friend, a kid that we've taken to Six Flags, the kid whose grandparents I've watched games with every week in the stands the last couple of years. And then it's 21-14, QB converts a 4th and 16 with a 18 yard broken tackle scramble TD. And then it's 21-20 ... we shank the PAT in the 4th. They muff a punt, we recover on their 10 ... and on the next play the QB lobs one up for grabs into 4 defenders & they get a pick six to push us down by 7 again. We run the frigging kickoff back to their 43, timeouts spent, under two minutes driving, under one minute driving, and finally it's four & one from their 3, under :20 secs when it's snapped. QB keeper, my son described it this way while watching along the line of scrimmage ..

his knee touched well past the two, the ball stretched over the goal line ... whether he got it across before or after his knee, honestly not sure. But with 8 seconds left you either measure or call the first down outright.

Instead, the refs ruled a fumble after he let go of the ball in the pile, and ran off the field out the back of the end zone as the last 8 seconds ticked off to save the home team favorites.

Anybody wants to bitch about me telling a HS football story in the CFB thread fine, bitch away. Point simply being this: whether we agree on a description of tonight's game or not, I do understand about hurting for them.
And it's awful. And it's also maybe the best, most honest thing about the games, the one that makes you remember what really matters.

[TroyF]

Didn't mean to touch a nerve, but I don't give a damn about the point spread. When it comes to this singular game I don't care about my hatred of Winston and Jumbo, how good of a guy Dabo is, how terrific I think the QB you have will become or anything else.

Clemson had the game multiple times. They refused to take it every single time it was offered to them. Be proud of the kids for competing, but this isn't the standard "David" hanging around with "Goliath" and then just not having enough. (for that, you could talk about Washington State tonight who hung around a game they never should have had a prayer in)

No, Clemson ws the better team for most of the night. FSU and their joke of a QB (If I'm an FSU fan, I'm F'ing terrified he ever gets another meaningful snap for me, he was that bad) had no business even being in the game. It was an epic giveaway in my mind. Maybe "choke" isn't the word. Pick your own word for "They decided they didn't really want to win a football game and handed it over to the other team"

Pick your word and I'm good with it. Note: You can be proud of the way they dominated and still be sick that they pissed it away. If you really don't believe they gave the game to FSU, we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

[Arles]

I still can't believe the 4th quarter for Arizona. The Wildcats scored 36 points to beat Cal 49-45. It was 38-13 Cal going into the 4th and 45-30 Cal with 4 minutes left. 19 points in the final 3:30 - Crazy finish and a pretty amazing win for Arizona.

[MizzouRah]

Way to go Mizzou Tigers!!! How's that for a smack in your mouth? That's what I get for losing to Indiana in NCAA football as well. :(

[Matthean]

Wonder if Michigan would be willing to promote up Nussmeier to HC and bring in Muschamp once he gets canned as DC. I think part of the difficulty is if Nussmeier is to do well this year it helps keep Hoke around, and I'm not sure he's HC material just yet either. It is easy to look good when Saban is your boss.

[Dr. Sak]

This happened in my game last night:

In the second quarter NC Central is kicking an XP after a TD. Towson blocks it...#96 for Towson catches and possesses the ball out of midair at the the 2 and comes to the ground. Realizing he shouldn't have possessed it, throws it to the ground backwards off the foot of a NC Central player where it ends up going into the EZ. Towson #20 picks up the ball having 1 foot on the End Line.

What is the result of the play?

[cuervo72]

Re-kick and Towson coach smacks #96 upside the head?

[tarcone]

Question for the board.

Kirk Ferentz was asked a question about CJ Beathard's play, who came in the 2nd half and led Iowa to a win. The question was right after the game.

Here is KFs response: "Well, I'm just glad he played better today than he did in practice on Thursday, I'll just leave it at that."

What say you guys about this response after a game?

I will post my thoughts later.

[General Mike]

This happened in my game last night:

In the second quarter NC Central is kicking an XP after a TD. Towson blocks it...#96 for Towson catches and possesses the ball out of midair at the the 2 and comes to the ground. Realizing he shouldn't have possessed it, throws it to the ground backwards off the foot of a NC Central player where it ends up going into the EZ. Towson #20 picks up the ball having 1 foot on the End Line.

What is the result of the play?

1 point for NC Central via safety.

[cartman]

My answer for Dr. Sak:

Penalty on Towson for illegal touching and retry of the extra point.

[mckerney]

1 point for NC Central via safety.

+1

[TroyF]

Question for the board.

Kirk Ferentz was asked a question about CJ Beathard's play, who came in the 2nd half and led Iowa to a win. The question was right after the game.

Here is KFs response: "Well, I'm just glad he played better today than he did in practice on Thursday, I'll just leave it at that."

What say you guys about this response after a game?

I will post my thoughts later.

Like most things coaches do, I don't know what went on behind closed doors first.

On its face, it sounds petty and self serving. What I don't know is if the kids practice habits are a trend. Is he always poor during practice? Have team leaders been all over him because of said habits? Has he talked to him multiple times about this and the kid doesn't seem to get it?

If those conditions are met, I have no problem with him trying to drop the kid a couple of pegs to let him know winning is great, but he needs to improve the practice habits.

If the kid is good and he had a bad practice? the coach is being a dick, and a major dick at that. Shredding a hard working kid because it makes you look a little better and you hope you won't have to answer why he wasn't playing all along? Dick. Major dick.

[MacroGuru]

BYU beats a tough UVA team and the game didn't need to be as close as it was. Right now BYU is the most penalized team in the country. We need to eliminate some of the stupid mistakes and the games aren't as close as they have been.

BYU is now 4-0 and the remaining games on their schedule that concern me are UCF and CAL.

[Dr. Sak]

Answer is 1 point safety. Cartman I thought you would get this.

[Butter]

Answer is 1 point safety. Cartman I thought you would get this.

Yeah, Jesus cartman get it together.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

:D

Biggest win for Indiana since the Bucket game after Terry Hoeppner died. If we had somehow lost after that bogus roughing the passer call, I would have lost it.

As utterly deflating as the Bowling Green loss was last week, this is a real shot in the arm for Indiana football.

Congrats to your team. I didn't get to watch any of the game due to being at work all day, but I certainly know how you feel. I remember when Mizzou had some real issues before the Pinkel era where you were just hoping you could get one big win to make you feel like you were headed in the right direction. It's a great feeling.

Sucks for Mizzou, but the prize is still in front of us. Big game next week against South Carolina. Win that one, and you have a leg up on South Carolina and Georgia for the division lead. Lose, and it's an uphill climb the rest of the way and you have to get help.

[General Mike]

I don't get any respect for getting it right?

[Dr. Sak]

I don't get any respect for getting it right?

Yes you do...good job. The reason I said Cartman should know is because it happened once in a Texas game and I remember him bringing it up.

I'll give you extra respect if you can answer this one and tell me why:

Same play...but instead of the Towson player possessing it on the 2 yard line, he immediately bats the ball backwards into the endzone and it goes through the back of the end zone. What do we have there?

[JPhillips]

Sak: I know you do college and not pro, but a situation came up in the Denver/Seattle game that seems wrong. The Seahawks had a pass play for positive yardage and there was also a flag for Defensive Holding. The officials gave the penalty and applied the five yards on top of the yardage gained on the pass.

Do you know if that's right? I'm not sure I've ever seen a penalty like that added to the yardage gained.

[cartman]

In the Texas game, the ball was recovered by the Aggies in the end zone, brought out, and then fumbled back into the end zone where the Aggies once again recovered it.

My thought process was that if it went off of the NC Central player, they were the last ones to touch it, and since the Towson player had a foot out of bounds, the ball was dead, not a safety.

[Matthean]

Had not realized Michigan is 4-8 in their last 12. At this point I think the team has tuned out Hoke, and I'm not sure how much of it isn't still Gardner not developing into the QB they want. He's been around a long time to be throwing that bad of INTs.

[CU Tiger]

A day later and the perspective that a second viewing and sobriety brings and I want to return here to post a few comments.

Sorry for being so charged up last night...I dont usually post like that..but that was me, raw honest, a tad inebriated, and well genuine.

I have to fully agree Clemson gave that game away more than FSU won it. I think I bristled at the term "choke" as it implied they lost to an inferior opponent.

The missed FGs are inexcusable...Jon and I shared Pms 2 years ago about our Kicker(he played against the school Jon did PBP for IIRC) ...I didnt see it when we signed him, I knew he didnt have it when he dropped out of school for a semester as a freshman when his GF dumped him, and I hope he never kicks for Clemson again. Honestly we have an OG who would have hit 1 of those 2 FGs...

The late fumble was in my opinion a great play by an AA Dlineman to make the strip. Not that it excuses anything but when you have a walk on RB against a 5* Under Armor AA those type of things will happen. Again it isnt acceptable, but it is explicable, imho.

The long TD pass was a football play. Mack fell down. He is a freshman, he shut down a senior all night. He made one error and it proved very costly. Tripping, stumbling, falling happens at times in football. Especially when you are covering a great WR. That we were in zero with no one over the top exacerbated the slip. But he didnt fall down because the pressure chocked him, he simply fell down.

I see it as a blown opportunity. A missed golden opportunity. But it was missed as much because FSU made great plays with great players more so than because Clemson "choked"

I'm worried about UNC next week. They come in hungry and embarrassed after ECU hung 70 on them, and as of an hour ago it was said to me..."these kids are still in Tally...we have to be careful not to lose this game again next week"...they werent mad in film review they were hurting.

Next week will tell a ton about this Clemson season. #1 Dabo has FINALLY announced that Watson is the starter moving forward. Its his time. If the Defense shows up with the same intensity it did last night it wont matter. UNC will get embarrassed 2 weeks in a row...

But I fear the let down.

Anyway that is what makes sports so great. The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat and all that.

[B & B]

Solid follow up post.

Certainly wasn't trying to rile up the masses, but I call em like I see em.


I also fully watched the UNC -ECU game and I can say you shouldn't be worried. Cant remember the last game I saw a team that had such poor fundamental tackling as UNC. It was beyond embarrassing. Not talking about the number of points they allowed, but the execution.

FOFC is one of the few message boards where most of the ppl reading this would understand, but it was like many of the ECU pirates were on tecmo bowl and skip holtz was button mashing like crazy and the Tar heel defenders were flying off after making initial contact.

Also, no reason in hell Watson isn't starting already. Was pretty evident in week one for anyone with a pulse.

[Dr. Sak]

Sak: I know you do college and not pro, but a situation came up in the Denver/Seattle game that seems wrong. The Seahawks had a pass play for positive yardage and there was also a flag for Defensive Holding. The officials gave the penalty and applied the five yards on top of the yardage gained on the pass.

Do you know if that's right? I'm not sure I've ever seen a penalty like that added to the yardage gained.

I responded to this in the NFL thread.

In the Texas game, the ball was recovered by the Aggies in the end zone, brought out, and then fumbled back into the end zone where the Aggies once again recovered it.

My thought process was that if it went off of the NC Central player, they were the last ones to touch it, and since the Towson player had a foot out of bounds, the ball was dead, not a safety.

I was just giving you a hard time. The reason it was a 1 point safety was because the Towson player possessed it and threw it (fumbled) it into the endzone. That backwards pass was the force the put the ball in the end zone.

Had the Towson player batted the ball instead of possessing and throwing it...it would have just been a touchback (try No Good in this case). Batting does not provide a new force.

[CU Tiger]

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[Kodos]

A totally overused meme at this point, but I was amused.

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[HomerSimpson98]

Yes you do...good job. The reason I said Cartman should know is because it happened once in a Texas game and I remember him bringing it up.



LOL - It was against Texas A&M in the glorious VY and Clapper Mack years. I was a few beers in and remember losing my shit over it. It all went back to the defense "possessing" the ball and fumbling. Still pisses me off :)

[mckerney]

Had not realized Michigan is 4-8 in their last 12. At this point I think the team has tuned out Hoke, and I'm not sure how much of it isn't still Gardner not developing into the QB they want. He's been around a long time to be throwing that bad of INTs.

They have Minnesota this week so as long as they're capable of stopping a mediocre rushing offense with 9 or 10 in the box they should have an easy win.

[dawgfan]

And he will laugh his face off. Same as my Dad mentioning Les Miles as a possibility. Those ships have sailed. They need to find somebody that fits for them and has built up a Power 5 conference team. I wouldn't be against Michigan's AD showing up on Narduzzi's door step with a truck load of money and see what happens. I don't think Hell is cold enough for it to happen, but it would be interesting.
I dunno. There's a growing school of thought that Harbaugh can't stay in any one place for too long before pissing off everyone around him and/or him needing a new challenge. There was a lot of smoke out of SF this past off-season about Harbaugh and the Niners potentially parting ways, and nothing about how the season has started off for them suggests to me that Harbaugh might not be willing to listen to an offer from his alma mater.

I have no idea whether it's likely he would seriously consider an offer from Michigan, but I don't think you can discount the possibility either.

[dawgfan]

Huskies looking forward to Stanford and are on the verge of being down two scores to Georgia State.
That first half was as ugly a half of football as I've seen from the Huskies in my 37 years of going to Husky Stadium. That includes the abomination that was Ty Willingham's last season.

At least they woke up and did in the 2nd half what they should have done in the 1st half. Too bad they waited that long to do it, as it cost the 2nd & 3rd stringers significant playing time that they should have had.

I really have no idea what to expect from this team next week. I'm pretty sure Petersen has kept some things under wraps in the pre-season, and he's certainly shown a few interesting looks along the way that he can build off of, but I'm not that confident in our offense producing against the Cardinal D, and other than Marcus Peters (who is playing like a 1st rounder), our green secondary doesn't inspire a lot of trust that we can contain Ty Montgomery, Michael Rector and Devon Cajuste.

[Matthean]

I dunno. There's a growing school of thought that Harbaugh can't stay in any one place for too long before pissing off everyone around him and/or him needing a new challenge. There was a lot of smoke out of SF this past off-season about Harbaugh and the Niners potentially parting ways, and nothing about how the season has started off for them suggests to me that Harbaugh might not be willing to listen to an offer from his alma mater.

Jim Harbaugh wouldn't even look at Bruce Arians during the postgame handshake (http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2014/09/22/jim-harbaugh-wouldnt-even-look-at-bruce-arians-during-the-postgame-handshake/16047459/)

The problem is would he really work out for Michigan in the end? I'm guessing no.

[dawgfan]

Jim Harbaugh wouldn't even look at Bruce Arians during the postgame handshake (http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/heat-index/2014/09/22/jim-harbaugh-wouldnt-even-look-at-bruce-arians-during-the-postgame-handshake/16047459/)

The problem is would he really work out for Michigan in the end? I'm guessing no.
Even if Harbaugh only lasted 3-4 years at Michigan, I think they would - and should - take it. The job he did at Stanford was one of - if not the - best turnarounds/culture transformations/whatever you want to call it of any modern college football program.

[Butter]

But I would hate for Michigan to give up so soon on Brady Hoke. I really think they need 4-5 more years before they will really know if he will pan out. I think he needs to continue to deliberately antagonize all of Michigan's rivals, too. That seems to work really well... though I don't think they'll be able to drop Sparty and OSU off the schedule like they did Notre Dame.

[bronconick]

Gotta keep that 100k game attendance streak going.

http://i.imgur.com/5kGPUzQ.jpg

[tarcone]

And thats a rivalry game.

[Matthean]

And thats a rivalry game.

In that a trophy is involved.

[mckerney]

And thats a rivalry game.

Kinda sort of...

[Matthean]

By This Grainy Screenshot We Will Curse Thy Name | mgoblog (http://mgoblog.com/content/grainy-screenshot-we-will-curse-thy-name)

Pretty much tells me all I need to know about Hoke. I guess I'm just surprised that Nussmeier isn't taking over more of the offense in terms of pacing and such.

[tarcone]

Be happy your AD hasn't offered Hoke a 10 year extension with a 75% of the entire contract buy out clause. If that happens, I will cry in my beer with you.

[Matthean]

If Hoke gets extended, the AD is gone.

[CU Tiger]

A day later and the perspective that a second viewing and sobriety brings and I want to return here to post a few comments.

Sorry for being so charged up last night...I dont usually post like that..but that was me, raw honest, a tad inebriated, and well genuine.

I have to fully agree Clemson gave that game away more than FSU won it. I think I bristled at the term "choke" as it implied they lost to an inferior opponent.

The missed FGs are inexcusable...Jon and I shared Pms 2 years ago about our Kicker(he played against the school Jon did PBP for IIRC) ...I didnt see it when we signed him, I knew he didnt have it when he dropped out of school for a semester as a freshman when his GF dumped him, and I hope he never kicks for Clemson again. Honestly we have an OG who would have hit 1 of those 2 FGs...

The late fumble was in my opinion a great play by an AA Dlineman to make the strip. Not that it excuses anything but when you have a walk on RB against a 5* Under Armor AA those type of things will happen. Again it isnt acceptable, but it is explicable, imho.

The long TD pass was a football play. Mack fell down. He is a freshman, he shut down a senior all night. He made one error and it proved very costly. Tripping, stumbling, falling happens at times in football. Especially when you are covering a great WR. That we were in zero with no one over the top exacerbated the slip. But he didnt fall down because the pressure chocked him, he simply fell down.

I see it as a blown opportunity. A missed golden opportunity. But it was missed as much because FSU made great plays with great players more so than because Clemson "choked"

I'm worried about UNC next week. They come in hungry and embarrassed after ECU hung 70 on them, and as of an hour ago it was said to me..."these kids are still in Tally...we have to be careful not to lose this game again next week"...they werent mad in film review they were hurting.

Next week will tell a ton about this Clemson season. #1 Dabo has FINALLY announced that Watson is the starter moving forward. Its his time. If the Defense shows up with the same intensity it did last night it wont matter. UNC will get embarrassed 2 weeks in a row...

But I fear the let down.

Anyway that is what makes sports so great. The thrill of victory, the agony of defeat and all that.


Still a Clemson record

[Butter]

What record are you referring to?

[CU Tiger]

#1 Dabo has FINALLY announced that Watson is the starter moving forward. Its his time. If the Defense shows up with the same intensity it did last night it wont matter. UNC will get embarrassed 2 weeks in a row...



Watson's first start. He set the Clemson all tiem record for TD passes in a game. It stood throughout his career.