2014 NFL Regular Season, Week 3

[Matthean]

Thursday
Tampa Bay at Atlanta

Sunday
San Diego at Buffalo
Dallas at St. Louis
Washington at Philadelphia
Houston at NY Giants
Minnesota at New Orleans
Tennessee at Cincinnati
Baltimore at Cleveland
Green Bay at Detroit
Indianapolis at Jacksonville
Oakland at New England
San Francisco at Arizona
Denver at Seattle
Kansas City at Miami
Pittsburgh at Carolina

Monday
Chicago at NY Jets

Denver @ Seattle being the obvious big one. With the Lions secondary beat up, it might not be the right time to play the Packers, but for the Lions it never is. :lol:

[Butter]

Bengals trying to get to their Bye week 3-0 with a slew of tough games following the bye... with the injuries they already have, an early bye week will be huge.

[Butter]

Also, the Bengals facing their first local blackout in 2 years... local media saying they are far short of the self-imposed 85% threshold at which they have pledged not to blackout games.

I thought I heard the FCC was working on eliminating those blackout rules? They need to pick up the pace.

[BillJasper]

Thursday
Tampa Bay at Atlanta



This is the NFL equivalent of a snuff film.

[Travis]

So Seattle will be 2-1 and coming off a win against the Broncos going into their bye, or 1-2, coming off back to back losses include one at home.

I'm almost curious to hear what the panic would be like on Seattle sports radio if they drop this one to the Broncos. That said, I'd be very happy if I'm left wondering what it would be like. Really hoping for a very good bounce back performance, but their lack of depth in the secondary right now could be a big tipping point in this matchup. Front 4 will have to play lights out for Seattle to win this one.

Also very curious to see how SF/Ari unfolds.

[Radii]

I'm looking forward to a prime time game for Carolina. Charlotte has a reputation for having a ton of Pittsburgh fans though, I hope the crowd isn't too much like that San Francisco crowd from week 1 in Dallas. The last time Carolina started 3-0 was 2003, hell the last time they started 1-0 was 2008.

Its probably asking too much to hope for the Saints to lose to Minnesota, but I'll be rooting hard for it. Thursday Night Football is such a shitshow that anything can happen there, so I'm hoping Tampa can find a way to pull that out.

[NobodyHere]

Colts need the win here or it's going to be a loooooooooong season.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Jonathan Dwyer of Arizona Cardinals arrested on two counts of suspicion of aggravated assault - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11544985/jonathan-dwyer-arizona-cardinals-arrested-two-counts-suspicion-aggravated-assault)

[Vince, Pt. II]

49ers/Cardinals is going to be an ugly, ugly game. It should be good and close, but it'll be ugly.

[Radii]

Jonathan Dwyer of Arizona Cardinals arrested on two counts of suspicion of aggravated assault - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11544985/jonathan-dwyer-arizona-cardinals-arrested-two-counts-suspicion-aggravated-assault)

from another article I saw about this:

"If Dwyer is shown the door, the Cardinals would be able to call on practice squad running back Chris Rainey to fill Dwyer’s spot on the 53-man roster. There is one problem, however. Rainey has previously been released from a team because of a domestic violence incident."

Well that's just fantastic.

[Lathum]

I expect JJ Watt to have 7 sacks

[Coffee Warlord]

Is it like...a rite of passage for running backs to beat up women?

[kingfc22]

At this rate we probably need an NFL abusers thread so the weekly thread can be a place to discuss the games.

[Thomkal]

49ers/Cardinals is going to be an ugly, ugly game. It should be good and close, but it'll be ugly.

if Carson Palmer is still out, I expect it will be very ugly indeed for my beloved Cardinals.

[Thomkal]

Jonathan Dwyer of Arizona Cardinals arrested on two counts of suspicion of aggravated assault - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11544985/jonathan-dwyer-arizona-cardinals-arrested-two-counts-suspicion-aggravated-assault)

Unfortunately my beloved Cardinals have a history of domestic violence cases including even Larry Fitzgerald.

Domestic Violence Allegations: An "Unpleasant Piece of Status Quo for the NFL" (http://jezebel.com/5144780/domestic-violence-allegations-an-unpleasant-piece-of-status-quo-for-the-nfl)

[Dutch]

Here's a good one for the thread...(hey, at least it's stats and has a database!)

NFL Arrests Database | UTSanDiego.com (http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/)

Enjoy...

Since 2000...I couldn't search for "domestic" but you could at least tally up by team and position.

Here's the by position breakdown
CB 167
DL 126
WR 122
LB 95
RB 79
OL 67
TE 35
QB 15
K/P 12
FB 11

[korme]

Bengals trying to get to their Bye week 3-0 with a slew of tough games following the bye... with the injuries they already have, an early bye week will be huge.

Hope we rest Tez. It will be great to get him two straight weeks off.

BTW, what a terrible Thursday night game.

[Dutch]

:)

[albionmoonlight]

Having done both, I will say that it is much more pleasant to cheer for a team with a great defense and a bad offense than to cheer for a team with a great offense and a bad defense. (Looking at you, Rob Ryan).

As for week 3, I think that the Saints will beat the Vikings, but that has much more to do with the Vikings than the Saints.

I am also convinced that the only 100% surefire way to make money in Vegas is to take the general preseason consensus about how the NFC South will go and then bet the exact opposite. Year to year, it is the most unpredictable division in football.

[Coffee Warlord]

Having done both, I will say that it is much more pleasant to cheer for a team with a great defense and a bad offense than to cheer for a team with a great offense and a bad defense. (Looking at you, Rob Ryan).

Having done both, I can't disagree with you more.

Nothing is more soul crushing than years of watching the Bears defense slaughter teams, then trot out shit on offense (particularly at QB). Trestman/Cutler may have their issues, but watching a big boy NFL offense is so much more enjoyable.

[Abe Sargent]

I think the Jags get their first win of the season this week.

[Lathum]

I don't

[molson]

It's a nice feeling as a football fan when you can't remember who your team is playing this weekend and it turns out to be at home V. Oakland.

[Buccaneer]

Same thing here, molson. I don't pay much attention to past or future games, just the upcoming one. I too was glad to not only seeing the Pats play Oakland but at home finally.

[mrtourette]

Having done both, I can't disagree with you more.

Nothing is more soul crushing than years of watching the Bears defense slaughter teams, then trot out shit on offense (particularly at QB). Trestman/Cutler may have their issues, but watching a big boy NFL offense is so much more enjoyable.

Yeah as a long-time Miami fan I've seen both combinations, and seeing excellent defenses wasted time and time again by an offense that can't move the ball is no fun.

[TroyF]

Here's a good one for the thread...(hey, at least it's stats and has a database!)

NFL Arrests Database | UTSanDiego.com (http://www.utsandiego.com/nfl/arrests-database/)

Enjoy...

Since 2000...I couldn't search for "domestic" but you could at least tally up by team and position.

Here's the by position breakdown
CB 167
DL 126
WR 122
LB 95
RB 79
OL 67
TE 35
QB 15
K/P 12
FB 11

So 729 NFL players arrested in14 years? Total players during that time is what? I am going to guess about 12,000, would that be in the ballpark? That would mean an arrest rate at 6 percent. Doesnt seem out of line of the standard population to me.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Having done both, I will say that it is much more pleasant to cheer for a team with a great defense and a bad offense than to cheer for a team with a great offense and a bad defense. (Looking at you, Rob Ryan).

Having done neither, I have no comment on this topic.

[Warhammer]

So 729 NFL players arrested in14 years? Total players during that time is what? I am going to guess about 12,000, would that be in the ballpark? That would mean an arrest rate at 6 percent. Doesnt seem out of line of the standard population to me.

Agreed. I would argue that it is even a little low. The interesting data is why are certain positions more apt to have issues.

[Travis]

Then again, how many didn't get arrested or were swept under the rug because of who they are? Granted, hopefully not enough to drastically change the % being discussed, but even look at Rice and how quickly he was on his way. Had that video never surfaced, how different would the last few weeks have been?

I just bristle a bit at comparing to the "standard population" because how the two sides are dealt with when it comes to legal matters rarely seems comparable.

[molson]

It's not a perfect comparison, but 49% of black men and 40% of white men are arrested at some point before they turn 23. I would bet the number for players entering the league at about that age is a lot less than that. And if we could somehow compare young men ages 23-32 in the NFL v. that age group in the general population, I'm sure NFL players would represent themselves well there too.

Study: Nearly half of black men arrested by age 23 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/20/nearly-half-arrested/4669225/)

I don't think there's any epidemic of criminality in the NFL. Just some bad seeds that need to be dealt with more harshly.

[DaddyTorgo]

It's not a perfect comparison, but 49% of black men and 40% of white men are arrested at some point before they turn 23. I would bet the number for players entering the league at about that age is a lot less than that. And if we could somehow compare young men ages 23-32 in the NFL v. that age group in the general population, I'm sure NFL players would represent themselves well there too.

Study: Nearly half of black men arrested by age 23 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/20/nearly-half-arrested/4669225/)

I don't think there's any epidemic of criminality in the NFL. Just some bad seeds that need to be dealt with more harshly.

I tend to agree. It's just the bad apples get a ton of media attention.

You don't hear as much about the guys who do charity work and raise families and etc.

And you know - maybe that's something the NFL should work to change. Instead of directing media attention onto the bad apples (and thus perhaps inadvertently promoting that type of behavior) maybe they should have an ongoing ad campaign/series of puff pieces talking about players doing good things and being productive members of their communities.

Sure, we get occasional bits on that, but maybe it needs to be more constant.

[Fidatelo]

40-50% of men are arrested by 23?! What the hell are you all doing down there?

[DaddyTorgo]

Seriously - that's crazy.

[claphamsa]

It's not a perfect comparison, but 49% of black men and 40% of white men are arrested at some point before they turn 23. I would bet the number for players entering the league at about that age is a lot less than that. And if we could somehow compare young men ages 23-32 in the NFL v. that age group in the general population, I'm sure NFL players would represent themselves well there too.

Study: Nearly half of black men arrested by age 23 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/20/nearly-half-arrested/4669225/)

I don't think there's any epidemic of criminality in the NFL. Just some bad seeds that need to be dealt with more harshly.

this has been going around TV media recently... the percentage of NFL players arrested is almost perfectly in line with their age group in general.

[Fidatelo]

I would be interested to know if the types of crimes are different. Are NFL players more likely to be arrested for crimes of violence than the average person? You'd likely see a whole bunch less property crime, wouldn't you?

[TroyF]

I'm a very data driven individual. The numbers from that website pretty much confirm to me there is no problem with NFL players that we already don't have in society. The image of roided up players ravaging the countryside appears to me to be overblown.

There is an article on Grantland now called "the history of violence in the NFL" or something like it. They may as well have a companion piece title "The history of violence since the first person walked the earth"

Goodall handled this thing like crap. The NFL deserves some bad publicity. yet three bad incidents in a week (Rice, AP and now Dwyer) doesn't really seem all that out of control to me. Take some random samples of 1900 guys 22-32 and I'm fairly certain that most of those samples will show more than 3 guys with issues.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Looking at the info in the linked story, the rate of arrested by 18 vs arrested by 23 goes up by 50% or more for all three ethnic groups mentioned.

That might be one of the most striking arguments I've ever seen for prohibition.

[claphamsa]

Nike Air commercial Charles Barkley - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMzdAZ3TjCA)

[Buccaneer]

Except that very prominent public figures (as nfl players) are generally more likely to be emulated and followed than regular folks in that age group. I would say that puts a more extra burden on behavior. If you are on stage and are paid like a 1%, then they cannot act like they are not. With fame comes responsibility.

[Lathum]

I would like to know what percentage have been arrested, in all ethnic groups, that have at minimum attended 3 years of college and makes at least 6 figures a year.

I bet that number is much lower.

[Lathum]

All class

Devon Still of Cincinnati Bengals, Sean Payton of New Orleans Saints talk for first time - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11547204/devon-cincinnati-bengals-sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-talk-first)

[DaddyTorgo]

I would like to know what percentage have been arrested, in all ethnic groups, that have at minimum attended 3 years of college and makes at least 6 figures a year.

I bet that number is much lower.

I think you could even knock it down below 6 figures and have it be much much lower.

[Kodos]

All class

Devon Still of Cincinnati Bengals, Sean Payton of New Orleans Saints talk for first time - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11547204/devon-cincinnati-bengals-sean-payton-new-orleans-saints-talk-first)

Payton has some bad karma to work off. This should help.

[TroyF]

Except that very prominent public figures (as nfl players) are generally more likely to be emulated and followed than regular folks in that age group. I would say that puts a more extra burden on behavior. If you are on stage and are paid like a 1%, then they cannot act like they are not. With fame comes responsibility.

I'm NOT saying they shouldn't be banned for life or that they have a higher level of responsibility. I'm saying the majority of NFL football players don't knock their wives out, beat their children, drive drunk, sexually assault, murder someone, or commit any crime. The "NFL is raping and pillaging the entire country" talk is more than a little overblown.

[Lathum]

Buccs better figure out how to guard Jones.

[korme]

I knew I should have laid the points on Atlanta tonight

[SirFozzie]

we may see our first ever real life NFL rage quit (ala Madden)

[kingfc22]

This got out of hand quick.

[bhlloy]

Good thing the Bucs brought in a proven veteran QB

[duff88]

I don't think I've ever seen such a blowout. Anything comparable recently?

[BillJasper]

Thursday
Tampa Bay at Atlanta



This is the NFL equivalent of a snuff film.

Seems I was right! For once... :lol:

[Atocep]

Lovie's offenses are never out of a game...

[MizzouCowboy]

I don't believe that I have ever seen an NFL team get their asses kicked this bad. It's like Alabama playing a bad D1AA team. No idea why I am still watching this.

[Atocep]

McCown should be forced to send half of his paychecks to Marc Trestman

[cartman]

I think I'm safe with my survivor pick of Atlanta this week. :D

[Danny]

Looks like their QB next year is going to be Mariota

[kingfc22]

I don't think I've ever seen such a blowout. Anything comparable recently?

Baylor vs some small conference school. :lol:

[Lathum]

Start the countdown to some moron claiming Florida State could beat the Buccs.

[EagleFan]

Florida State could beat the Buccs...

[EagleFan]

;)

[Lathum]

Probably won't see Rainey again tonight.

[JPhillips]

The way the Falcons and Ravens have dismantled opponents makes me feel good about the Bengals.

[Dutch]

#burningclown

Funny but sad...another rock bottom adventure brought to you by my Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

[SirFozzie]

We have now crossed into ROFLSTOMP territory

[bhlloy]

Flags flags flags. If there's one thing I love more than a shitty one sided game it's a shitty one sided game with a delay after every play

[kingfc22]

That was pathetic

[PilotMan]

Buccaneers making last week's Steelers performance look inspired.

[kingfc22]

Time for the Bucs to retire these jerseys

[stevew]

This game fits right in with the rest of the Murder Porn on CBS's schedule.

[EagleFan]

Dear NFL, thank you for Thursday football...

[sabotai]

Offensive pass interference, right in front of the ref. No call. (Not that that ever gets called).

[Julio Riddols]

Tampa scored guys. Atlanta is DONE.

[sabotai]

The come back is on!

[cartman]

6 more of those and TB is right back in this!

[korme]

Just realized I picked up Atlanta's D this week. I was debating between Atlanta and Dallas, phew. Made the right call.

[mrtourette]

I'm a very data driven individual. The numbers from that website pretty much confirm to me there is no problem with NFL players that we already don't have in society. The image of roided up players ravaging the countryside appears to me to be overblown.

There is an article on Grantland now called "the history of violence in the NFL" or something like it. They may as well have a companion piece title "The history of violence since the first person walked the earth"

Goodall handled this thing like crap. The NFL deserves some bad publicity. yet three bad incidents in a week (Rice, AP and now Dwyer) doesn't really seem all that out of control to me. Take some random samples of 1900 guys 22-32 and I'm fairly certain that most of those samples will show more than 3 guys with issues.

That's very true, although I guess the issue for me is hat I would expect the league and the teams to be interested in having a below-average arrest record for their players and pro-actively trying to work towards that.

[Desnudo]

I would like to know what percentage have been arrested, in all ethnic groups, that have at minimum attended 3 years of college and makes at least 6 figures a year.

I bet that number is much lower.

You can hire better law talking guys to get the record expunged

[Desnudo]

Having done both, I can't disagree with you more.

Nothing is more soul crushing than years of watching the Bears defense slaughter teams, then trot out shit on offense (particularly at QB). Trestman/Cutler may have their issues, but watching a big boy NFL offense is so much more enjoyable.

Unless your D is so good you can win a Super Bowl like Baltimore I agree. However the patriots have been a perfect example the past decade and nothing is worse than knowing you have no chance against manning, or even Flacco, unless your offense puts up 40.

[Fidatelo]

Unless your D is so good you can win a Super Bowl like Baltimore I agree. However the patriots have been a perfect example the past decade and nothing is worse than knowing you have no chance against manning, or even Flacco, unless your offense puts up 40.

Yeah it must have been so terrible to be a Patriots fan in all these recent years of losing.

[Coffee Warlord]

Lovie has performed better than I could have possibly hoped for.

[Thomkal]

Jerome Simpson can't help himself from being stupid apparantly:

Jerome Simpson, in more trouble, released by Minnesota Vikings - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11549430/jerome-simpson-more-trouble-released-minnesota-vikings)

[molson]

Unless your D is so good you can win a Super Bowl like Baltimore I agree. However the patriots have been a perfect example the past decade and nothing is worse than knowing you have no chance against manning, or even Flacco, unless your offense puts up 40.

By the numbers, the Patriots defense has always been a lot better than the reputation. Their rank in points allowed the last 10 years is 13th, 10th, 9th, 15th, 8th, 5th, 8th, 4th, 2nd, 17th. And in that stretch they've been above average in the football reference simple defensive rating 8 out of the 10 years.

And only three teams have scored 40 against the Patriots in that stretch. Manning once, Flacco never, and the Chargers and 49ers each once.

[Lathum]

Procter & Gamble pulls out of cancer initiative due to NFL off-field issues - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24715094/procter-gamble-pulls-out-of-cancer-initiative-with-nfl-due-to-off-field-issues)

[SteveMax58]

Time for the Bucs to retire these jerseys
+1

Just awful

[claphamsa]

Abraham to IR, time to retire.

[Thomkal]

Abraham to IR, time to retire.

Yep I agree-he was likely to be suspended anyway for off-field actions, so best to call it a day here I think. He's 36 so not too much time left in the NFL anyway.

Of course as a fan of a Cardinal team in desperate need of defensive help I selfishly want him to stay, but in the end this was the right decision I think.

As for another injured Cardinal, looks like right now QB Carson Palmer's shoulder injury is going to keep him off the field against the 49'ers, but I think it will come down to a gameday decision just like last game. He has been practicing but not full out the past two days, and HC Arians was saying earlier in the week that Stanton was the starter for now because of Palmer's injury. Can't see Stanton beating 49'ers, even at home and with a good defense effort either.

[mckerney]

Procter & Gamble pulls out of cancer initiative due to NFL off-field issues - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/24715094/procter-gamble-pulls-out-of-cancer-initiative-with-nfl-due-to-off-field-issues)

PFTCommenter has the perfect corporate sponser to fill the hole left by P&G.

Fleshlight should sponsor the NFL since Proctor and Gamble won’t (http://strongtakes.com/2014/09/fleshlight-should-sponsor-the-nfl-since-proctor-and-gamble-wont/)

[kingfc22]

Clearly Roger was prepared and ready to speak. Can't even start his own conference on time.

[Thomkal]

Clearly Roger was prepared and ready to speak. Can't even start his own conference on time.

not watching, fill us in on anything noteworthy he says please?

[kingfc22]

Roger starts off by reiterating he got the Ray Rice situation wrong. Says he will get it right going forward and the NFL won't repeat this type of mistake again.

After that and currently ongoing, Bill Simmons most recent tweet sums it up "blah blah blah blah blah..."

[mckerney]

Roger starts off by reiterating he got the Ray Rice situation wrong. Says he will get it right going forward and the NFL won't repeat this type of mistake again.

After that and currently ongoing, Bill Simmons most recent tweet sums it up "blah blah blah blah blah..."

He sums it up pretty well here to.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>It's always inspiring when someone robotically says &quot;you know I feel passionately...&quot; as he's glancing down to read his speech.</p>&mdash; Bill Simmons (@BillSimmons) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillSimmons/status/513046134341005312">September 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[SackAttack]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Condensed NFL press conference: &quot;We promise a full slate of vague steps forward until we all have the courage to never speak of this again.&quot;</p>&mdash; Dan Szymborski (@DSzymborski) <a href="https://twitter.com/DSzymborski/status/513057266862665728">September 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Nailed it.

[Buccaneer]

Of course. It's the goose with the golden egg and too many people want that egg.

[stevew]

The entire pink month thing annoys me. I wish it was limited entirely to one weekend.

[mckerney]

The entire pink month thing annoys me. I wish it was limited entirely to one weekend.

There's no way they'd sell enough pink jerseys in just one weekend.

[mckerney]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Now we take you live to Roger Goodell's PR team for comment. <a href="http://t.co/4dWzuyg8O4">pic.twitter.com/4dWzuyg8O4</a></p>&mdash; Chris Kluwe (@ChrisWarcraft) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisWarcraft/status/513060700722192384">September 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[weegeebored]

McCown should be forced to send half of his paychecks to Marc TrestmanWhile I want to agree with you here, I think it's more like he should send payments to Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett, and Forte. Cutler should, too.

[Desnudo]

By the numbers, the Patriots defense has always been a lot better than the reputation. Their rank in points allowed the last 10 years is 13th, 10th, 9th, 15th, 8th, 5th, 8th, 4th, 2nd, 17th. And in that stretch they've been above average in the football reference simple defensive rating 8 out of the 10 years.

And only three teams have scored 40 against the Patriots in that stretch. Manning once, Flacco never, and the Chargers and 49ers each once.

Have you watched the defense?

[Thomkal]

from another article I saw about this:

"If Dwyer is shown the door, the Cardinals would be able to call on practice squad running back Chris Rainey to fill Dwyer’s spot on the 53-man roster. There is one problem, however. Rainey has previously been released from a team because of a domestic violence incident."

Well that's just fantastic.

Rainey by the way has been released as well-Coach Arians insists its for fooball reasons only:

Arizona Cardinals move Jonathan Dwyer, cut Chris Rainey; re-sign Jalen Parmele - Revenge of the Birds (http://www.revengeofthebirds.com/2014/9/18/6431457/arizona-cardinals-move-jonathan-dwyer-cut-chris-rainey-re-sign-jalen)

[molson]

Have you watched the defense?

Just about very game. They did have a stretch of 3-4 years where they ranked near the bottom of the league in yards allowed, but they've consistently been in the top half of the league in fewest points allowed. They certainly don't need to score 40 "to have a chance" against anyone. Flacco, from your example of a guy they can't contain, only scored 7 against the Patriots the last time they played

[Thomkal]

Stanton will start again this week for my beloved Cards. Depending how his shoulder feels on Sunday, Palmer should be available as a backup.

[TroyF]

I really do not understand how so many experts are getting last weeks Seattle/San Diego game wrong.

Everyone is falling all over themselves to say that Sherman IS a shutdown corner, that he sin't a fraud, and that he actually played OK in the game.

Let me address these three points quickly:

1) If you think Sherman isn't a; shutdown corner, you are an idiot.
2) If you think Sherman is a fraud, I'll take it one stop further and believe you and Rich Kotite could have a long conversation about what it takes to win in the NFL.
3) He did play OK. . . but that is not good enough for Seattle. He can't be OK, he has to be a lock down corner for them to be dominant.

What all these analysts are failing to mention is that San Diego challenged Sherman in multiple ways. That had an impact on the rest of the Seattle defense. No, it didn't make them roll over and give up 500 yards. Yes, San Diego still had to have Gates have a throwback game and Rivers actually had to play smart for 60 minutes, which is difficult to do.

No, it didn't make the Seattle defense fall apart. What it did do is force Seattle to concern itself with all four quadrants of the field. Green Bay decided to challenge 2.5 of the 4 quadrants. This means Thomas can cheat to one side and you are royally screwed. Watch a replay of the Chargers game and some of those passes to Gates. Now look for Thomas in the frame. There are multiple times he's a step or two late. He's not late because he's scared Sherman will get beat deep. He's cheating because he knows the Chargers were willing to attack that side of the field.

Even if the play didn't go right at Sherman, they tried to move him off his spot. I think Sherman is a jack ass. (of course I have to be careful here, because the general rule is anyone who has that belief is a racist) Despite my opinion of him, he's a sensational player, one of the 10 best players in the entire league. He plays with a safety who I'd put up in that level as well. That doesn't mean you concede the game to him and give up areats of the field.

Seattle won't lose a lot this year. When they do, it will be teams not terrified to challenge that side of the field.

[Matthean]

I still have to wonder how the Bucs loss over the long term says about Lovie as a coach. You don't really see a new coach having his team suffer that bad of a loss in week 3.

[BillJasper]

I still have to wonder how the Bucs loss over the long term says about Lovie as a coach. You don't really see a new coach having his team suffer that bad of a loss in week 3.

It could also say that they have no where near the talent everyone assumes they have. Or it could be that much of the talent they do have don't fit the schemes he's trying to incorporate.

Or it could say that everyone has figured out the 'Tampa 2' defense and that any NFL caliber QB is going to slice it apart if you lean on it too much. :lol:

[tucker rocky]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000397626/article/former-titans-kicker-rob-bironas-dies-in-car-accident

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11563129/rob-bironas-former-tennessee-titans-kicker-dies

[Lathum]

Awful. Wonder if Bradshaw will be on pre game.

[Dutch]

It could also say that they have no where near the talent everyone assumes they have. Or it could be that much of the talent they do have don't fit the schemes he's trying to incorporate.

Or it could say that everyone has figured out the 'Tampa 2' defense and that any NFL caliber QB is going to slice it apart if you lean on it too much. :lol:

As we know, the Tampa 2 relies on a great front 4....Two of the starters were out and one is already on IR....that left only McDonald for the game and its his first year....recipe for disaster as it turns out.

[Dutch]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000397626/article/former-titans-kicker-rob-bironas-dies-in-car-accident

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11563129/rob-bironas-former-tennessee-titans-kicker-dies

That's awful...

[Desnudo]

Please keep not running McDaniels thanks

[EagleFan]

The refs are throwing flags when someone sneezes but nothing for the helmet to helmet hit on McCoy?

[claphamsa]

is COlston on the outs in NO? no targets last week... no catches so far this... WTF!

[Radii]

The refs are throwing flags when someone sneezes but nothing for the helmet to helmet hit on McCoy?

Red zone announcer specifically mentioned that isn't a foul.

[korme]

WR Mohamed Sanu career passing stats:

4-4, 166 yards, 2 TD, 158.3 QB rating :cool:

[MizzouCowboy]

Cowboys having a tough day with Kurt Warner and the Greatest Show on Turf.

[Lathum]

Cruz!

Giants playing well except for a few mistakes in bad spots. Could easily be up 17-0

[stevew]

Pass interference in the end zone is a plague today. #25 on the Titans is having a very bad day.

[JPhillips]

DeAndre Hopkins had maybe the catch of the year, but it was wiped out by penalty.

[Desnudo]

Patriots oline is going to get brady KO'd at some point this season

[Lathum]

Bortles in the game

[Thomkal]

nice to see Coastal Carolina's RB Lorenzo Tallaferro off to a good start in his NFL career-11 runs for 81 yards for the Ravens so far.

Nice to see Bridgewater and now Bortles get their first playing time in the NFL too

[TroyF]

This may be the year the Chargers put it all together. The question is the health of Gates. He stays healthy, they have one hell of a chance to go far. Rivers is playing well. Still not convinced about their defense or running game, but they have one of the most annoying offenses in football. It's one thing to get gashed for big yardage plays. It's another to give up 3, 5, 4, 8, 3 all the way up and down the field.

[Thomkal]

nice to see Coastal Carolina's RB Lorenzo Tallaferro off to a good start in his NFL career-11 runs for 81 yards for the Ravens so far.

Nice to see Bridgewater and now Bortles get their first playing time in the NFL too

Tallaferro for his first rushing TD!

[Lathum]

This is where I expect the patented Giants meltdown.

Turnover coming up!

[miami_fan]

Can we get something like a yellow card for the players trying to deceive the officials in the NFL?

[Thomkal]

wow Oak-TD called back by a penalty, but then next play tips off receiver into NE's hand for an INT. Glad it happened though as NE was my survivor pick :) New England not impressing me overall right now. No way should they have been that close to losing at home to Oakland.

[NobodyHere]

Cleveland has missed soooo many opportunities in this game.

[Thomkal]

Can we get something like a yellow card for the players trying to deceive the officials in the NFL?

saw what happened in Cleveland with this, what else happened?

[Thomkal]

Brawl in Philly had been brewing all day-finally happens after Foles throws an INT and gets hurt

[Desnudo]

wow Oak-TD called back by a penalty, but then next play tips off receiver into NE's hand for an INT. Glad it happened though as NE was my survivor pick :) New England not impressing me overall right now. No way should they have been that close to losing at home to Oakland.

Biennial wilfork int to close it out.

Browner back in two weeks. I think the d will be very good. Offense will only be as good as the line which is very bad at pass protect right now.

[sabotai]

Did they just eject #71 on Washington for something #71 on Philadelphia did?

Edit: They corrected it.

[Thomkal]

Let's go beloved Cardinals! Palmer is inactive rather than the backup.

[cartman]

First time the Cowboys have ever come back from being down by 21 and winning in regulation.

[Julio Riddols]

Cinci whompin ass without Burfict, I am digging it. Bring on he bye week, this team deserves a week off.

[Matthean]

I think that's the only second lost by Rodgers to the Lions.

[TroyF]

This is just a horrible, horrible job by the refs the entire game. Both teams have been allowed to taunt the entire game without any discipline. Jackson had a long TD where he taunted to a ridiculous degree. No call.

Then the scrum that was waiting to happen all day because the refs let it get to this level happens after a cheap shot by Baker. Baker shouldn't be playing for a month. One of the cheapest shots you will ever see in a football game.

Then, as has been said above, it looked to me like Peters should be ejected, instead the Washington LT gets ejected. They just corrected that error and Peters has been ejected.

Cousins has looked great today. The Eagles are now playing with paper clips and glue on the OLine. Foles, meanwhile, seems to enjoy overthrowing wide open receivers on seem routes. If Philly ever gets a QB who is accurate, they may score 900 points a season.

[TroyF]

On the Bills/Chargers game. . . EJ Manual has a lot of work to do to be an NFL QB. His accuracy is terrible. I know I just put down Foles, but EJ Manual makes Foles look like Joe Montana. Good lord he's bad.

[TroyF]

Well, maybe all Foles needed was a cheap shot. Right up the seem, bang. TD.

[DaddyTorgo]

Pats not looking very threatening this year at all.

[DaddyTorgo]

Biennial wilfork int to close it out.

Browner back in two weeks. I think the d will be very good. Offense will only be as good as the line which is very bad at pass protect right now.

Defense is fine.

Offensive line is embarrassing.

[TroyF]

Redskins really have to be wondering what is going on right now. Cousins has played brilliantly. They have destroyed the Philly OLine and pounded Foles all day (sometimes even legally), have mauled McCoy and are winning just about every stat you can win.

And they are losing by 10 points. Driving again. I think Cousins is now over 400 yards.

[NobodyHere]

Always nice to see the Lions and Colts get victories.

[stevew]

I guess I'm not super high on Cousins. He's made some really garbage throws. I haven't seen every play though.

[TroyF]

Cousins with a terrible throw on a 4th and ten. Washington still has two time outs adn teh Eagles can't run, so they will likely get another shot.

Monte Ball fumbles for Denver (what the hell is it about the first play against that team?) Broncos make a goal line stand and hold the 'Hawks to a FG. Huge, huge stop.

As I typed above, Foles gunned it for 18 yards and a first down. Game is over. Eagles will win by three.

[TroyF]

I guess I'm not super high on Cousins. He's made some really garbage throws. I haven't seen every play though.

He had a very good game today. I was impressed on a lot of his throws. He did not play all that well on two of the final three drives though.

[kingfc22]

Niners continue to get hammered on 3rd down defensive penalties. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

[TroyF]

Phil Simms: "If you are going to come in here and beat them, you cannot outthink them, you have to out hit them"


Ummm, garbage Phil. If you go in expecting to beat the Hawks by outhitting them in their own yard, you are going to have problems.

First Manning pass, right at Sherman. He holds Sanders, no call, but the pass is perfect and Denver gets a first down.

[Matthean]

He had a very good game today. I was impressed on a lot of his throws. He did not play all that well on two of the final three drives though.

ESPN did a break down of him and said he hasn't shown he'll pan out over time and his numbers can look ugly. His career rating is still 74.3 with 10 TDs and 10 INTs. Granted, he's young enough to not pass judgement on, and he's been good so far this year.

[TroyF]

ESPN did a break down of him and said he hasn't shown he'll pan out over time and his numbers can look ugly. His career rating is still 74.3 with 10 TDs and 10 INTs. Granted, he's young enough to not pass judgement on, and he's been good so far this year.


Honestly, I've never been high on him at all. Never really understood why he was a second round pick. I'm not stating he will be a good QB. I'm stating he looked good today. one thing is for certain, he has a cannon. The bomb to Jackson took a perfect throw.

He hit another WR on the sideline with a picture perfect pass as well. Overall, I thought his decision making was pretty good for most of the game. Time will tell. I'm not ready to say he's good, but he looked better than I thought he would today.

Broncos with a long drive ends in a FG. Tied up in Seattle.

[BillJasper]

I thought Cousins was a fourth-round pick?

[Matthean]

I thought Cousins was a fourth-round pick?

He was.

[TroyF]

My bad. Well, he's already shown me enough to be worthy of that draft slot.

[Thomkal]

Cardinals defense not looking too good so far.

[kingfc22]

Hopefully Niners play a full 4 quarters today.

[BillJasper]

I'm absolutely burnt out on Miami having zero offense on a yearly basis. Playing in South Florida, this team should have offenses that regularly are some of the best in the NFL.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I'm absolutely burnt out on Miami having zero offense on a yearly basis. Playing in South Florida, this team should have offenses that regularly are some of the best in the NFL.

While the Chiefs played well last week and have played well in the first half this week, there's really no reason they should be in any of these games. KC is missing a LOT of key starters. Kudos to KC players for playing hard, but this should be a team Miami beats.

[TroyF]

Listening to Phil Simms is getting harder and harder for me to stomach each year. He went from "I think this guy is pretty good" to "he's ok" to "everything this guy says is wrong, I mean EVERYTHING"

Talib didn't give up a TD because he looked in the backfield. He gave up a TD because he mistimed his jump and Wilson threw a perfect pass. he couldn't have covered the guy any better.

Overall, Denver is losing this game because of one player. Thomas didn't show up today. Dropping wide open passes. Not getting off of the line. If he's hurt, get him off the field. He's a great, great player, but his play has been terrible. If he catches the ball last series, at worst the Seahawks don't have enough time to drive again.

He's responsible for those 7 points by himself. After attacking Sherman early, Denver has played soft and passive. You are not going to outhit Seattle, but you'd damned well better not be pansies.

[Sun Tzu]

Is anyone else watching the absolute embarrassment by the refs in the 49ers v Cardinals game? Holy shit on toast. This is a joke.

[bhlloy]

Not a 49ers fan but I tend to agree. Just some awful calls

[TroyF]

LOL. Wow, how laughable. Refs in Broncos/Hawks game say Seahawks were not in the neutral zone. Replay shows he was not only in the neutral zone, he had his full head over the ball between two Broncos lineman. Said player stuffs the third and one play. Refs called the flag and then picked it up.

Good job guys. Really, really good job.

[chinaski]

LOL. Wow, how laughable. Refs in Broncos/Hawks game say Seahawks were not in the neutral zone. Replay shows he was not only in the neutral zone, he had his full head over the ball between two Broncos lineman. Said player stuffs the third and one play. Refs called the flag and then picked it up.

Good job guys. Really, really good job.

Massive Seahawks fan, that was total bullshit.

[TroyF]

Massive Seahawks fan, that was total bullshit.

Hell, not saying Denver was on their way back, but they actually had picked up a couple of first downs and had put together a drive. I cannot understand that call at all. It's why ALL calls should be review-able. Denver makes a three and out stop, Seattle punts. Denver lost over 30 yards in field position and 3 minutes do to that horrific call.

Oh well. See if they can start another drive and make this a game or if we write it off and head to the bye week early.

[Sun Tzu]

The quality of product the NFL has been putting on the field this year is just garbage. Games aren't games. It's a contest to see who gets the least amount of absolute game changing penalties called against them.

Unreal.

[kingfc22]

Enough with the damn flags!

[bhlloy]

To be fair as bad as the refs have been, how much of a moron do you have to be to keep going with the after the whistle stuff with the way this game is being called? That's on Harbaugh to control his players

[Sun Tzu]

Every play this half, the 49ers front 7 is screaming at the refs for holding. I've seen holding called once all game.

[BillJasper]

The quality of product the NFL has been putting on the field this year is just garbage. Games aren't games. It's a contest to see who gets the least amount of absolute game changing penalties called against them.

Unreal.

I haven't watched today.

[bhlloy]

Flags are awesome! I want more flags!

[Sun Tzu]

Did anyone see helmet to helmet contact? I sure didn't...

[Desnudo]

WR screen doesn't work any better for denver than the patriots. I think it's time to retire that from play books as a staple.

[TroyF]

Every play this half, the 49ers front 7 is screaming at the refs for holding. I've seen holding called once all game.

No holding is being called in the Denver game either. Wilson has been pressured most of the game, nothing. On defense, the last series the Hawks player has the WR in a head lock and it isn't defensive holding. Good point of emphasis. guys.

Denver is playing way too passive. Makes me wonder if their only goal today was to make sure Manning stayed healthy.

Then we get more Phil Simms idiocy. Sherman gave up 2 passes last week. Ummm, no moron, he gave up 5. He's still a shutdown corner, he doesn't need you making up things to prove it.

[kingfc22]

Harbaugh teams used to make all the right second half adjustments. This year, they have been flat out awful.

[Sun Tzu]

Willis hits the QB with his facemask = penalty, leading with the crown of the helmet.

Kaep gets sacked late in the 4th quarter on a blatant spear tackle = no call.

My favorite part of this game was FOX announcer David Diehl referring to Harbaugh as the "opposing coach."

[TroyF]

Safety on Seattle. 17-5. Still need two TD's. But at least we should get the ball back in decent field position.

[TroyF]

Nevermind on the field position. What a freaking punt. Wow that was stupid good.

[Travis]

Thank goodness for Ryan (best free kick I've ever seen) and that missed field goal is looming large right now.

[Desnudo]

Need electro shock when you call a WR screen

[Sun Tzu]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

I give up. The refs are beyond incompetent, and they just handed the game to the Cardinals.

[kingfc22]

Geez. What a joke.

[TroyF]

I'm watching the Niners game too and all I have to say is I wish the Hawks were called for PI in the same way the Niners are getting it. The PI on them last play has happened about 12 times this game. I think the Seahawks have been flagged for one holding call.

[Sun Tzu]

I'm watching the Niners game too and all I have to say is I wish the Hawks were called for PI in the same way the Niners are getting it. The PI on them last play has happened about 12 times this game. I think the Seahawks have been flagged for one holding call.

Nah. The Haws don't get PI called in Seattle. Everyone knows this.

Harbaugh's head is literally going to explode in the post game press conference. That's two games that have been completely taken over by the officiating crew in the second half. I've watched every 49er game since 1988, and I have never seen officiating be anything remotely close to this bad. Just...wow.

[Butter]

Denver's defense saying "Fuck you, Jobu... I'll do it myself."

[kingfc22]

Never thought I'd say this, but the NFL is becoming unwatchable for me. The way the rules are being "enforced" this year has made the game become so disjointed and laughable at times. NFL needs to make the emphasis on games about the players again and not about the rules.

[Sun Tzu]

I heard an NFL official recently say "We err on the side of caution with flags, now."

I'd rather you err on the side of correct.

[TroyF]

Denver's defense saying "Fuck you, Jobu... I'll do it myself."

Denver D really has played well today. No matter what Del Rio says, this defense was designed with running QB's in mind, specifically this running QB. They could give up an 85 yard bomb on the next play and they still played well. If they had played this well in The Super Bowl, it would have been a better game. :)

That was really a big TD there for a lot of reasons. Obviously, they needed it in the context of the game. Long term, they needed it because if you can't get six in that situation, when will you ever?

[Desnudo]

Seahawks making some dumb decisions

[TroyF]

Well, I can officially say I'm happy no matter what happens from here. We got to the 6 minute mark with a chance to win. More than I expected to be honest. Good job boys.

[Desnudo]

Terrible time out to take

[TroyF]

If that were the 49ers, it would have been a clear PI penalty. As it is Richard Sherman in Seattle, it's good defense. (note:I think that's one of those plays where you can't really argue either way.)

[Sun Tzu]

Coming directly from the 49ers/Cardinals game to the Broncos/Seahawks game, I can honestly say I've seen three plays by the Seahawks D that would have been flagged in the other game.

Including the last play. Sherman obviously got there early.

[Abe Sargent]

Good night Denver

[TroyF]

Very poor decision. yikes.

[Sun Tzu]

If that were the 49ers, it would have been a clear PI penalty. As it is Richard Sherman in Seattle, it's good defense. (note:I think that's one of those plays where you can't really argue either way.)

Bingo. I have to say, if I weren't in 2 different paid fantasy leagues, I'd seriously consider taking the rest of the year off from the NFL. This really is just a shit year for the NFL.

[TroyF]

Good night Denver

2 time outs, plus the two minute warning. If you stop them and force a FG, it's an 8 point lead. VERY small chance, but a chance.

[Sun Tzu]

2 time outs, plus the two minute warning. If you stop them and force a FG, it's an 8 point lead. VERY small chance, but a chance.

Nah. Not in Seattle. You'll see Richard Sherman literally shoot a wideout on the field before they give an opposing team a fair shake.

[Desnudo]

Broncos missing that time out now

[Abe Sargent]

2 time outs, plus the two minute warning. If you stop them and force a FG, it's an 8 point lead. VERY small chance, but a chance.

Not with Lynch

[Sun Tzu]

Maybe if you coach would stop bitching after EVERY fucking call and looking like a whiny ass while doing it, people would feel bad. As it is, I have no doubt the officials are picking on them some simply because their coach never shuts his fucking mouth. If he's going to bitch about everything, they might as well make sure they give him something to bitch about.

Feel better?

[Vince, Pt. II]

Maybe if you coach would stop bitching after EVERY fucking call and looking like a whiny ass while doing it, people would feel bad. As it is, I have no doubt the officials are picking on them some simply because their coach never shuts his fucking mouth. If he's going to bitch about everything, they might as well make sure they give him something to bitch about.

This is clearly a solid justification for potentially bad calls.

[Desnudo]

Denver d definitely looking improved. It could be an epic SB.

[rowech]

Feel better?

I'm assuming you were rooting for them in the 80s and early 90s when they were the ones getting every call.

[Sun Tzu]

I'm assuming you were rooting for them in the 80s and early 90s when they were the ones getting every call.

That's right trooper!

[Butter]

This is clearly a solid justification for potentially bad calls.

No, but it's a solid justification for no one else giving a shit.

[Desnudo]

Throw it lol. Sure nance.

[Buccaneer]

Geez, this thread turned into a whiny Niners/Broncos bitch-fest.

[Desnudo]

Geez, this thread turned into a whiny Niners/Broncos bitch-fest.

I think you combine the hatred 49ers fans have for the Seahawks with a 49ers loss and you get uber bitch-fest

[Sun Tzu]

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[Butter]

Damn he throws that a little harder and that's a completion.

[cuervo72]

Nah. The Haws don't get PI called in Seattle. Everyone knows this.

Harbaugh's head is literally going to explode in the post game press conference. That's two games that have been completely taken over by the officiating crew in the second half. I've watched every 49er game since 1988, and I have never seen officiating be anything remotely close to this bad. Just...wow.

Or since 2012, anyway (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2714049&highlight=penalties#post2714049).

[Desnudo]

Adult Seahawks fan wearing receiving gloves just made my viewing afternoon

[JPhillips]

Yeah, this would have made for a much better Super Bowl.

[Vince, Pt. II]

What a drive.

[cuervo72]

Or since 2012, anyway (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2714049&highlight=penalties#post2714049).

Wait, no - later in 2012 (http://www.operationsports.com/fofc/showthread.php?p=2718835&highlight=flags#post2718835).

[Butter]

Wow

[Desnudo]

2 time outs, plus the two minute warning. If you stop them and force a FG, it's an 8 point lead. VERY small chance, but a chance.

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[TroyF]

VERY small chance, but a chance. :) :) :)

"Would you say it was a million to one"
"Well then it's automatic"

If you read Pratchett, you'll recognize that from many of the Discworld novels.

[TroyF]

So, I'm selling my house and people came to see it right after Lynch had the 10 yard run after the INT. I listened to everything up to the two point conversion on the radio. Made it inside to see Thomas make the grab to send it to OT.

[Sun Tzu]

Adult Seahawks fan wearing receiving gloves just made my viewing afternoon

Try going to a game there (I went to the 49ers/Seahawks game in 2011). The fans genuinely believe it's them that's loud, not the stadium. As in God graced them (seriously) with special vocal chords to cheer on the team. It's beyond fanatical up there.

[Lathum]

Try going to a game there (I went to the 49ers/Seahawks game in 2011). The fans genuinely believe it's them that's loud, not the stadium. As in God graced them (seriously) with special vocal chords to cheer on the team. It's beyond fanatical up there.

You're such a hater.

I've been there several times, those fans earn every bit of the hype they get.

[Sun Tzu]

You're such a hater.

I've been there several times, those fans earn every bit of the hype they get.

I didn't express an opinion on that post, other than the "fanatical" thing. What part am I hating on? The "blessed" thing? I'm just quoting.

[JPhillips]

Woah, defensive holding gets applied after the result of the play?

[Vince, Pt. II]

Russell Wilson has about 110 yards rushing on this drive.

[TroyF]

Irony of all irony, Denver gets a defensive holding.

I'd cry, but what would be the point? Head locks are ok on receivers, but whatever Denver did isn't.

[Butter]

Woah, defensive holding gets applied after the result of the play?

Yeah I had the same thought. That seemed wrong.

[Sun Tzu]

Yeah I had the same thought. That seemed wrong.

It is wrong.

[TroyF]

Denver fading badly. I don't think they'll be able to keep Seattle out of the end zone here. Was much more confident last week against the Chiefs. Wilson is just too damned good.

[stevew]

The way Harvin runs with the ball after the catch is amazing.

[Abe Sargent]

And now that's game

[Sun Tzu]

C'mon guys. You all act like you've never watched a game played in Seattle before. I've been seeing this shit for a decade now. Nothing has changed.

[TroyF]

Oh well. Great game. Would be nice to play in a spot where they actually call things like PI, defensive holding, offensive holding and other cool things.

Pete Carroll can go F himself.

[Jas_lov]

I hope they tweak the OT format again so the other team gets a chance to match the score. Would have been nice to see Peyton get another shot.

[Radii]

Geez, this thread turned into a whiny Niners/Broncos bitch-fest.

Otherwise known as "4pm every Sunday" (that one of them isn't in prime time or on the east coast, that is)

[Desnudo]

Oh well. Great game. Would be nice to play in a spot where they actually call things like PI, defensive holding, offensive holding and other cool things.

Pete Carroll can go F himself.

That's one thing patriots and Broncos fans can agree on

[Sun Tzu]

It seems to me the Refs take on one of two mindsets when they go into a game:

1.) Completely take over the game.

or

2.) Don't call anything, no matter what happens.

[JPhillips]

Yeah I had the same thought. That seemed wrong.

I'd love Sak to weigh in if he knows the NFL rule.

[Buccaneer]

Otherwise known as "4pm every Sunday" (that one of them isn't in prime time or on the east coast, that is)

Yeah, I know. I always view this weekly thread as a fun online version of RedZone, when not dominated by penalty complainers or bad player behaviors (on/off field).

[Sun Tzu]

http://thespotlifecoach.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/penaltyflag.jpg

[Sun Tzu]

Taunting.

[TroyF]

Yeah, I know. I always view this weekly thread as a fun online version of RedZone, when not dominated by penalty complainers or bad player behaviors (on/off field).

I watched the Niners game, they were screwed repeatedly. Denver was screwed repeatedly as well. Offsides allowed to stand. Headlock=good defensive play, not PI. Repeated poor calls capped by a defensive holding call on a critical play for Seattle.

The game was pretty much even and the calls did have an impact. (the offside non call was one of the worst non calls you will see this year in any game) The PI against the 49ers that locked the victory for Arizona was comically bad.

Those are simply facts. it doesn't change the results, but it's funny how few people really care about getting a call for their team. I do and have went on the record screaming at garbage calls that went the way of Denver on multiple occasions.

I don't care. I'm a whiner. I'll live with it. At least I whine for both sides.

[gstelmack]

I saw one of the replays of Manning's tying TD throw, and the view was from the endzone right at Manning. On the right side of the TV screen you can watch a Broncos' lineman try to rip the head off the pass rusher, twisting him right to the ground. Lots of missed calls in general.

[Dr. Sak]

Woah, defensive holding gets applied after the result of the play?

Yeah I had the same thought. That seemed wrong.

I'd love Sak to weigh in if he knows the NFL rule.

It's part of the 3 and 1 rule. When the team not in possession commits a foul either behind or beyond the basic spot, the penalty is enforced at the basic spot.

Assuming this is a running play (a completed pass is considered a pass followed by a running play when it's possessed), the basic spot is the previous spot when the run ends behind the neutral zone....end of the related run when it ends beyond the neutral zone.

That's why it was tacked on.

If the pass was incomplete it would have fallen under a pure pass play and the basic spot for enforcement would be the previous spot.

[Thomkal]

Cards/Niners game was like a "Tale of Two Halves"-Cards couldm't stop anyone and Kaepernick was in complete control. Then they switched uniforms at the half or something because the Cards looked like a totally different team-and the Niners lost all control, especially when the flags started flying.

Really was surprised by Stanton this game-looks like they opened the playbook for him compared to last week. Had a lot of zip on his passes, and accuracy too-no INT's in either game. Seems to have a good chemistry with Floyd and Brown, and was not afraid to step up and take big hits in the pocket.

I'm not usually one who concentrates on penalties-I don't know enough about the rules to give my opinion on most of them, so all I can say rightly or wrongly the 49ers let them get to them from the coach on down. It was getting pretty ridiculous when it was something like 34 yards to get back to the goal line after penalties backed the Niners up that far. The blocked FG attempt then was the real dagger to the chest I thought.

So my beloved Cards are somehow one of the last of the undefeated with a backup QB and a defense that only sometimes echoes the defense of last season. Leading the NFC West by themselves after just 3 games. Now they get a bye to hopefully let Carson Palmer recover from his injury and what seems a backup who can take over until he does.

[JPhillips]

It's part of the 3 and 1 rule. When the team not in possession commits a foul either behind or beyond the basic spot, the penalty is enforced at the basic spot.

Assuming this is a running play (a completed pass is considered a pass followed by a running play when it's possessed), the basic spot is the previous spot when the run ends behind the neutral zone....end of the related run when it ends beyond the neutral zone.

That's why it was tacked on.

If the pass was incomplete it would have fallen under a pure pass play and the basic spot for enforcement would be the previous spot.

Thanks. I'm not sure I completely understand, but I basically get it. I thought it was always either/or not both.

[stevew]

Philly Brown sounds like a made up character in a sports movie.

[Buccaneer]

I watched the Niners game, they were screwed repeatedly. Denver was screwed repeatedly as well. Offsides allowed to stand. Headlock=good defensive play, not PI. Repeated poor calls capped by a defensive holding call on a critical play for Seattle.

The game was pretty much even and the calls did have an impact. (the offside non call was one of the worst non calls you will see this year in any game) The PI against the 49ers that locked the victory for Arizona was comically bad.

Those are simply facts. it doesn't change the results, but it's funny how few people really care about getting a call for their team. I do and have went on the record screaming at garbage calls that went the way of Denver on multiple occasions.

I don't care. I'm a whiner. I'll live with it. At least I whine for both sides.

Sounds like you get way too stressed watching football games and get angry at things you cannot control.

[NobodyHere]

So who has the bigger trade value at this point, Kirk Cousins or RGIII?

[Radii]

13 points is probably just too much to overcome, I mean there's only 26 minutes left, no one can score that much, right?

Cam's ankle isn't right I don't think, he's gotten hit a lot the last couple weeks. Also, the fact that Byron Bell is the left tackle can't be helping.

[cuervo72]

So who has the bigger trade value at this point, Kirk Cousins or RGIII?

It's a conversation I'll be enjoying on 980 for the next X weeks.

I don't know if I'm sold on him. Yes, he lit it up this week but he still had some bad passes and didn't show all that well at the end of last year. Of course the locals will probably go wild for him. As a divisional opponent, I don't know if I exactly fear him yet though. Today may have just been lightning in a bottle (heck, McNabb had a couple of those while in WAS and was then run out of town on a rail).

[JonInMiddleGA]

Philly Brown sounds like a made up character in a sports movie.

My name is Philly Brown ... Northwest Southeastern State University

:D

[JPhillips]

Yikes. It looks like Ike Taylor just had the bones in his lower arm broken cleanly.

[JPhillips]

So who has the bigger trade value at this point, Kirk Cousins or RGIII?

I can't imagine RG3 has any value given his performance and injuries.