2014 NFL Regular Season, Week 4

[Abe Sargent]

Rogers has set himself up for a bad quote, if the team doesn't come together, after his telling folks to just relax, it'll be okay in Green Bay.

[Matthean]

Packers vs. Bears will be interesting to see who wins. Lions against the Jets so they could end up being alone in first place. Philly at San Fran will likely be the game of the week. Hard to imagine San Fran starting out 1-3.

[Dutch]

Rogers has set himself up for a bad quote, if the team doesn't come together, after his telling folks to just relax, it'll be okay in Green Bay.

Bucs willing to make trade. Inquire soonest. Regards, Bucs fan base.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Just awesome. Surprised this wasn't a link to The Onion.......

Jacksonville Jaguars Send Letter Asking Fans to Sit Down at Games | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2208441-jacksonville-jaguars-send-letter-asking-fans-to-sit-down-at-games)

[BillJasper]

Just awesome. Surprised this wasn't a link to The Onion.......

Jacksonville Jaguars Send Letter Asking Fans to Sit Down at Games | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2208441-jacksonville-jaguars-send-letter-asking-fans-to-sit-down-at-games)

I'm sure those standing section tickets are full price!

[kingfc22]

Packers vs. Bears will be interesting to see who wins. Lions against the Jets so they could end up being alone in first place. Philly at San Fran will likely be the game of the week. Hard to imagine San Fran starting out 1-3.

I don't know. If the Niners don't find a pass rush soon, I'm afraid the Eagles will abuse the secondary with their speedy receivers. Just look at what John Brown did this past weekend.

[Sun Tzu]

I don't know. If the Niners don't find a pass rush soon, I'm afraid the Eagles will abuse the secondary with their speedy receivers. Just look at what John Brown did this past weekend.

Well, FWIW, all of the big catches Brown had were against blown assignments/coverages.

49ers vs Cardinals coaches film tweets - Niners Nation (http://www.ninersnation.com/2014/9/24/6836515/49ers-vs-cardinals-coaches-film-tweets)

[Lathum]

Rubber meets the road for the G-Men tonight. Have to win and get to 2-2. After tonight they have a rough stretch where they get Atlanta at home, @ philly and Dallas, Indy at home, then to Seattle.

If they drop to 1-3 tonight they are likely looking at 2-7 after that stretch.

[Blackadar]

Just awesome. Surprised this wasn't a link to The Onion.......

Jacksonville Jaguars Send Letter Asking Fans to Sit Down at Games | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2208441-jacksonville-jaguars-send-letter-asking-fans-to-sit-down-at-games)

Yeah, but when you read the letter you realize there's a group of douchebag fans standing up and blocking everyone's view in that particular section. Obviously this is an ongoing problem.

[Lathum]

Yeah, but when you read the letter you realize there's a group of douchebag fans standing up and blocking everyone's view in that particular section. Obviously this is an ongoing problem.

I didn't have an issue with it. I kind of agree, standing on third down, etc...ok, standing on first and 20 with my 4 year old sitting behind you, annoying.

[Abe Sargent]

Let's go Giants!

[BillJasper]

I have no idea who is even playing tonight. Watching American Dad on Netflix.

[cuervo72]

Looks like he tapped that left foot to me.

[cuervo72]

But not with the ball, it seems.

[wade moore]

Yeah, I think the slight shift of the ball was the issue.

[Matthean]

Amazing what happens when Eli doesn't throw INTs.

[cuervo72]

I wonder how many people watching know who "THAT Joe Walton" was.

[sabotai]

Okay, I need some help with this one. How can he have completed the process of catching the pass (two feet down, made a football move, whatever), and still be a defenseless receiver?

According to the rules, as soon as the process is complete, he's now a runner. As a runner, helmet-to-helmet contact is not illegal, so....

[Lathum]

How are you considered a defenseless receiver if you have already made the catch and are running with it?

[Abe Sargent]

Redskins, how do you let Victor Cruz get THAT much space on an sideline toss with :07 left on the clock?

[cuervo72]

That's...a pretty good question on the catch and run. It looked to me too that he ducked, and just got sandwiched - with the two Giants hitting each other just as much as Paul.

[wade moore]

Since when is helmet to helmet not illegal on a runner?

[sabotai]

Since when is helmet to helmet not illegal on a runner?

Since always.

[sabotai]

Here's the rule for defenseless receiver

"(2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or
has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending
contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;"

So I guess they're saying that even though he completed the catch, he didn't have enough time to protect himself so he's still labeled "defenseless".

[Abe Sargent]

Do you all think the football gods will smile on teh Bengals this year for the Devon Still story?

[sabotai]

The Giants defense have commenced "melt down mode".

[sabotai]

Well nevermind...

[wade moore]

Ummmm,... No?

I can't paste the text on my iPad, but...

http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

8g and 8j clearly state you can't use your helmet.

[wade moore]

I see the note at the bottom, I stand corrected.

[NobodyHere]

Eli pins Washington down on the 1.

Very clever by Eli.

[Lathum]

Looked like a TD to me.

[Lathum]

I think we can end the "Kirk Cousins is the man in DC now" talk

[NobodyHere]

Yup

[sabotai]

8g and 8j clearly state you can't use your helmet.

"(g) If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or
facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily."

That's the "Spearing" rule.

"(j) if a player illegally launches into a defenseless opponent."

A runner is not "defenseless".

Helmet-to-helmet contact has never been an automatic penalty against a runner like it is against a QB or defenseless receiver. Helmet-to-helmet contact happens on running plays all the time. It just happened on the last running play to Jennings.

EDIT: I see the note at the bottom, I stand corrected.

Or I could have just read one more line and quoted that... :)

[Lathum]

Wow. Eli with the rushing TD.

[JPhillips]

Gruden didn't make it any easier for Cousins. up until the midway point in the second quarter, when they were down by no more than one TD, Washington had twice as many throws as runs. I saw that in Cincy and wondered why he kept asking Dalton to be a superstar.

[Lathum]

I actually feel bad for cousins.

[The Jackal]

I has many sads

[Matthean]

I actually feel bad for cousins.

Anything to quiet the whole, "OMG, there are 3 former MSU QBs winning in the NFL" thing that's going around is fine by me. :D

[The Jackal]

That Paulsen fumble is what killed the game, I said it then .. granted the defense came out better right at the beginning of the 2nd half, but there was too much to do, and Cousins made some mistakes. Probably the worst secondary in the league without D-Hall .. and wasn't far off with him.

[RainMaker]

Just awesome. Surprised this wasn't a link to The Onion.......

Jacksonville Jaguars Send Letter Asking Fans to Sit Down at Games | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2208441-jacksonville-jaguars-send-letter-asking-fans-to-sit-down-at-games)

The letter doesn't seem that bad. They aren't asking fans to sit, just stand with the flow of the game. Don't stand during the entire game and block everyone's view.

[stevew]

Cousins is the modern day Scott Chandler.

[stevew]

*Chris chandler.

[Julio Riddols]

*Chandler Bing

[Easy Mac]

*Bing Crosby

[Alf]

*Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young

[Butter]

*Nash Bridges

[Lathum]

Bridge over troubled waters

[cuervo72]

*Chandler Bing

Heh, I thought the same while climbing into bed last night.

Could you THROW any more interceptions?

[Kodos]

Anything to quiet the whole, "OMG, there are 3 former MSU QBs winning in the NFL" thing that's going around is fine by me. :D

Don't worry. I'm Devin Gardner will be an NFL starter next year to balance things out!

[Kodos]

Heh, I thought the same while climbing into bed last night.

Could you THROW any more interceptions?

:D

[gstelmack]

Anything to quiet the whole, "OMG, there are 3 former MSU QBs winning in the NFL" thing that's going around is fine by me. :D

Yes, we need to get back to the "3 NC State QBs winning in the NFL" bit (once Glennon gets back in the driver's seat).

[Lathum]

G- MEN!!!


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[albionmoonlight]

If I had access to easy sports gambling, I'd be living under a bridge by now. Everything I knew about football told me that the Skins were going to beat the Giants by 14+

[stevew]

Heh, I thought the same while climbing into bed last night.

Could you THROW any more interceptions?

Yeah I knew it was coming.

[BillJasper]

Gruden didn't make it any easier for Cousins. up until the midway point in the second quarter, when they were down by no more than one TD, Washington had twice as many throws as runs. I saw that in Cincy and wondered why he kept asking Dalton to be a superstar.

This. When you aren't running the ball all the secondary has to do is sit back and watch the QB.

[gstelmack]

Gruden is running the ball an average number of times.

For the Arena League he grew up in.

[BillJasper]

Gruden is running the ball an average number of times.

For the Arena League he grew up in.

Unfortunately for Gruden, players in NFL secondaries don't work at Jiffy Lube during the week. All they do is study film and practice. I'm starting to wonder if Andy Dalton's issues weren't related to Jay Gruden?

[albionmoonlight]

Pretty sure that this is only funny to me because my kids kept me from getting enough sleep. But it occurs to me that Blake Bortles needs a touchdown celebration where he grabs his stomach and pretends to do a huge belly laugh.

The Bortles Chortle.

[JAG]

G- MEN!!!


http://i1328.photobucket.com/albums/w536/Lathum/10710872_10204356957379112_4077997359814064457_n_zps0276d69e.jpg (http://s1328.photobucket.com/user/Lathum/media/10710872_10204356957379112_4077997359814064457_n_zps0276d69e.jpg.html)

Brandon Jacobs wasn't available?

[Desnudo]

Pretty sure that this is only funny to me because my kids kept me from getting enough sleep. But it occurs to me that Blake Bortles needs a touchdown celebration where he grabs his stomach and pretends to do a huge belly laugh.

The Bortles Chortle.

I think you need to trademark it before Greggg easterbrook steals it

[Lathum]

Brandon Jacobs wasn't available?

She outgrew it, kids a brute

[bhlloy]

Ridiculous penalties already started in the Bears Packers game. They are just making shit up at this point

[Vince, Pt. II]

Of course Brandon Marshall gets a TD on the first drive.

[Matthean]

How the Detroit Lions would move on without Ndamukong Suh - Detroit Lions Blog - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/detroit-lions/post/_/id/11324/how-the-lions-would-move-on-without-suh)

One of the big 3 had to leave and he was clearly the most logical. Have fun building your brand in NY while you keep getting fined.

[stevew]

Refs love the bears.

[stevew]

Smith Sr...break your goggles out.

[Coffee Warlord]

Refs love the bears.

And now they love the Packers.

Terrible officiating.

[bhlloy]

Refs love the bears.

These refs are embarrassing themselves. Three major penalties that were completely wrong that have seriously changed the game.

[Karlifornia]

Terrible unnecessary roughness on Mundy. LOL NOW ANOTHER ONE. unbelieveable

[bhlloy]

There is another one. I do love to see refs deciding the game. Great job NFL!

[hoopsguy]

Ridiculous penalties already started in the Bears Packers game. They are just making shit up at this point

And it has gotten worse from that point ... pretty much every flag thrown has been wrong.

[NobodyHere]

I'm glad the Colts play in the AFC south, makes overcoming an 0-2 start easy.

[Coffee Warlord]

What a play call on that TD pass to Jeffery.

[stevew]

Goggle up, son.

[hoopsguy]

Bears apparently denied on the 1/12 of an inch line. Hard to give refs benefit of doubt on getting that one right.

[Jas_lov]

There's no defense being played at Soldier Field today. Rodgers is going to have to score a TD on every drive to win this game and he has thus far. There's not a competent official on the field. My favorite call was Julius Peppers getting called for hands to the face when he never had his hands near the o-lineman's face, it was the o-lineman who had his hands on Peppers face.

[korme]

I want some Bortles Service

[Sun Tzu]

Every time I come in here, all I see is people whining about the refs. Bunch of whiners. Geeze, stop whining!

GFY

[Dutch]

My connection flight in O'hare was missed...so I am chillin here in a bar watching the CHI-GB game with an assortment of fans but mostly Bears fans. It's really making up for the 6 hour delay I have incurred to watch this game with Bears and Pack fans. 'Murica!

[Abe Sargent]

Stafford with the plunge and a score.

[bhlloy]

When you think the calls can't get any more absurd in the bears game...

[Suicane75]

If only there was someway we could get replacement refs.....

[sabotai]

Week of the blow outs apparently. NYG-WAS, BAL-CAR, GB-CHI, IND-TEN, MIA-OAK all blow outs so far. My CBS station just switched from BAL-CAR to the HOU-BUF game.

[Abe Sargent]

Boom Buffalo!

[Abe Sargent]

Week of the blow outs apparently. NYG-WAS, BAL-CAR, GB-CHI, IND-TEN, MIA-OAK all blow outs so far. My CBS station just switched from BAL-CAR to the HOU-BUF game.

But the Bills-Texans game does not suck.

[NobodyHere]

Tampa Bay finishes their game in Tampa Bay style.

[Vince, Pt. II]

What style is that?

[cartman]

Tampa Bay finishes their game in Tampa Bay style.

Not so fast...

[NobodyHere]

Not so fast...

:banghead:

[Dutch]

This just in....the Legend of Mike Glennon!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Bills are driving!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Nevermind. PICk by Houstan

[Thomkal]

wow Pittsburgh how do you lose to a winless Buccs team at home after crushing the Panthers the week before? what a horrible loss.

[korme]

Haha, Pittsburgh.

[Abe Sargent]

I do like the new Jags helmets

[korme]

I do like the new Jags helmets

So you're the one.

[Dutch]

wow Pittsburgh how do you lose to a winless Buccs team at home after crushing the Panthers the week before? what a horrible loss.

Tuuuurible! :D

[Butter]

Haha, Pittsburgh.

.

[Dutch]

My connection flight in O'hare was missed...so I am chillin here in a bar watching the CHI-GB game with an assortment of fans but mostly Bears fans. It's really making up for the 6 hour delay I have incurred to watch this game with Bears and Pack fans. 'Murica!

...and thank you Pack for blowing out the Bears so we could switch to the end of the Bucs game!

[Karlifornia]

Welp, my survivor season is over. Thx Steelers.

[Abe Sargent]

WR Hurns keeps making rookie mistakes, but he's got something I like.

[cuervo72]

Feel like the Eagles defense is going to bend way too much this game. 49ers too good to go 1-3, Eagles not good enough to go 4-0.

Also, why are all these punt coverage guys so effing stupid? Week after week I see touchbacks that shouldn't have been. Morons.

[stevew]

Lol Tomlin/Lebeau.

[stevew]

wow Pittsburgh how do you lose to a winless Buccs team at home after crushing the Panthers the week before? what a horrible loss.

Vintage shit defense in clutch situations and Polamalu biting on everything.

[TroyF]

Bortles and Bridgewater both looking good in their first starts.

[Grover]

I was down 45 points until Eddie Royal and Frank Gore started going off.

Still down 2 and I'd love for Foles to be able to see the field.

Some incredible special teams play by Philly so far.

[kingfc22]

This Niner team is pretty awful. Gameplay has been horrible. Why they don't give it to Gore more is beyond me.

[BillJasper]

Hey! Dolphins won!

Means Philbin gets at least another two weeks of mediocrity.

[AlexB]

Hey! Dolphins won!

Means Philbin gets at least another two weeks of mediocrity.

I know it was only the Raiders, but we looked sharp today. Tannehill threw one bad pass (behind Sims for the pick) but otherwise looked really good.

Both lines played really well, Grimes was great after getting burned for 30 on the very first play and Finnegan was solid.

Watched the first week on TV and this week live, and we looked great both times. From the highlights and reports of weeks 2&3, maybe not so much, but I think there is definite promise there...

[Vince, Pt. II]

This Niner team is pretty awful. Gameplay has been horrible. Why they don't give it to Gore more is beyond me.

The Eagles have 64 yards of offense. Special teams has been a joke so far. Penalties again as well.

[Matthean]

This Niner team is pretty awful. Gameplay has been horrible. Why they don't give it to Gore more is beyond me.

At some point, I wonder if the off the field issues with Harbaugh don't catch up with them.

[kingfc22]

The Eagles have 64 yards of offense. Special teams has been a joke so far. Penalties again as well.

Yup. 21 points gifted to Philly. Defense has not allowed anything.

[BillJasper]

...but I think there is definite promise there...

That's the problem, there's always promise. But the team is just as mediocre as when Philbin arrived. Look good for a week or two, look terrible for a week or two. Rinse and repeat.

[Dutch]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/09/28/baf315321f0507924f49e4da713a7770.gif?1411935162
Get that crap outta here. :)

[Solecismic]

It would be fun to have the athletic ability and training to do what Stevie Johnson just did.

[Grover]

It would be fun to have the athletic ability and training to do what Stevie Johnson just did.

Yup. Fantastic grab.

[Abe Sargent]

That play. Right there by Bortles. When he was about to be sacked and rolls and throws the ball. He doesn;t quit. That's a real top notch QB move for a rookie. That was it. Even if it gets overturned on review as his knee down, that is the play where my Jags fan, twice bitten by leftwich and Gabbert, fully embraces Bortles as teh future. As someone worth it.

[cuervo72]

Yeah, I would have gladly had them take the FG. Bad decision, Chip.

[Karlifornia]

Why so cautious on that 3rd down, Harbaugh? You could have taken a whack at the end zone and still had the fg.

Oh, and having Boldin on my fantasy only has a little to do with it.

[Butter]

Maclin didn't even try on that last route... he was jogging, and if he had made an actual cut instead of just rounding it off, the ball was there.

Nice job, jackass.

[Lathum]

Amazing how quiet this thread is when the niners win.

[Abe Sargent]

Meh, who was watching that game when my JAGUARS were on TV for the first time here in New England this year!!!???!!!

[kingfc22]

Gameplay has been horrible. Why they don't give it to Gore more is beyond me.

Niners D won the day today. Glad to see Roman finally figure out how to pound the ball with Gore and Hyde.

[Matthean]

Since it hasn't been mentioned, EJ Manuel's INT that got returned for a 80 yard TD is rather surprising in how bad of a read that was by EJ. He essentially didn't see an unblocked Watts coming his way even though he was looking that way the whole time.

[TroyF]

Amazing how quiet this thread is when the niners win.

They really got screwed on a call early in the game. (pick play was called when the defenders ran into each other)

After that, they got a couple of huge calls go their way. (a defensive holding on Philly was pretty weak)

Overall, unlike the last Niners game, the refs didn't try to take it over one way or the other. They did a decent job.

[Vince, Pt. II]

What the hell is up with the Saints?

[CU Tiger]

Where the hell did this Cowboys team come from?

[CU Tiger]

Dola though I fully expect them to lose 42-24

[cartman]

Dola though I fully expect them to lose 42-24

I was at the Cowboys-Packers game last year, so I know it is possible.

[hoopsguy]

Best part of this Cowboys results so far is the reminder, as people seem to have momentarily forgotten it last year, that Rob Ryan is a fraud and among the worst defensive coordinators in football.

[Abe Sargent]

That's the problem, there's always promise. But the team is just as mediocre as when Philbin arrived. Look good for a week or two, look terrible for a week or two. Rinse and repeat.

Sounds like a lot of teams in the NFL, not just the Dolphins.


EDIT - Case in point the Cowboys playing right now,. Lots of 8-8 seasons with good games and stink games.

[Suicane75]

My kingdom to whoever can tell me what the fudge that was supposed to be.

[Jas_lov]

Did Peyton think Dallas was going to try to block the punt and get fooled by that? They're going to be playing safe up 14. Let Brees throw is up to Graham or anybody instead of the punt fake.

[stevew]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/09/28/baf315321f0507924f49e4da713a7770.gif?1411935162
Get that crap outta here. :)

Love having William Gay isolated on the Bucs only viable healthy receiver. Good job good effort.

[Julio Riddols]

This year has been a roller coaster of unpredictability unlike other years. Sure other years have been strange and had some surprises, but this year takes the cake.. It takes the cake, the toppers, the candles, the gifts, and the venue.

[Solecismic]

Strangest one yet: tomorrow's game features the team that's dead last in yards per play and yards per pass attempt - and it's not the Chiefs.

[Suburban Rhythm]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2014/09/28/baf315321f0507924f49e4da713a7770.gif?1411935162
Get that crap outta here. :)

Best part of this is in the 1st quarter, Bell signaled first down, then said something to TB defense. 15 yard taunting call.

He should have just grabbed somebody after the play.

This is mainly why I think the refs are...not bad (it is a tough job), but ruining the game. Call that. All game. If you call it every single time, it will stop.

[Desnudo]

Strangest one yet: tomorrow's game features the team that's dead last in yards per play and yards per pass attempt - and it's not the Chiefs.

And featuring the league's #1 defense by yards allowed, also not the Chiefs.

[Desnudo]

Where the hell did this Cowboys team come from?

They've always been there. 7-8 wins is still coming.

[Dr. Sak]

This is mainly why I think the refs are...not bad (it is a tough job), but ruining the game. Call that. All game. If you call it every single time, it will stop.

The officials are calling the game they way they are being trained and graded on. I've worked for different supervisiors and had to adjust what I called based upon their interpretations. It's coming from the top down...not bottom up.

[Dutch]

From my understanding the referee was right in throwing the flag when Bell taunted and right when he didn't throw a flag in this video.

[miked]

As a Rutgers fan, I hated Geno Smith. As a Jets fan, I can't stand him.

[DaddyTorgo]

Strangest one yet: tomorrow's game features the team that's dead last in yards per play and yards per pass attempt - and it's not the Chiefs.

:(

[DaddyTorgo]

And featuring the league's #1 defense by yards allowed, also not the Chiefs.

:D

[JeeberD]

They've always been there. 7-8 wins is still coming.

I don't want to get my hopes up too high or anything, but I'm seeing things this year that have been missing in previous years. The way they're willing to stick to the run...and being able to gain yards on the ground when they need to. A willingness to spread the ball around and not just key on a couple of guys. The defense might be a bunch of no-name guys out there, but they're playing aggresively and the tackling is light-years better than it's been in forever. Last night I was stunned whenever the Saints would throw a pass that was a few yards short of a first down and we wrapped the receiver up and kept them from moving the chains.

I'll be the first to admit that after Week 1 I was ready to jettison Romo and downgrade our season to 4 wins. But we've been looking better every week...if we can keep from sliding back down I can see a a double-digit win season happening.

[stevew]

I need the Cowboys to be just good enough so that when they emplode it looks better.

[Butter]

And featuring the league's #1 defense by yards allowed, also not the Chiefs.

#2 in yards allowed per game though, as the Lions are now #1 in defense by that measure. The Pats have only played 3 games, so after tonight they will not be #1 in defense by yards allowed anymore.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Going for the record again tonight. Hope they get it, but you wonder how much higher this stuff can go.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/football/kansas-city-fans-look-to-reclaim-record-as-loudest-outdoor-stadium/article20823980/

[DaddyTorgo]

#2 in yards allowed per game though, as the Lions are now #1 in defense by that measure. The Pats have only played 3 games, so after tonight they will not be #1 in defense by yards allowed anymore.

They still could be, right?

[JPhillips]

Yeah, I think Butter confused total yards allowed with yards per game allowed.

[Butter]

They still could be, right?

Sure, if they allow less than 131 total yards, they still could be.

[DaddyTorgo]

Sure, if they allow less than 131 total yards, they still could be.

I hope that's not meant to be snarky. I'm not exactly up on my teamwide stats-comparisons.

[Butter]

It's not, those are the numbers. It is meant to be sarcastic though, in that I don't think that will happen.

[DaddyTorgo]

It's not, those are the numbers. It is meant to be sarcastic though, in that I don't think that will happen.

:)

Neither do I.

[stevew]

EJ rightfully benched. I think Orton will probably look pretty good with the pieces Buffalo has.

[BillJasper]

How does Dennis Allen still have a job?

[stevew]

My bother sent me a pic of his new baby in a Steelers Jersey with the following text "She wasn't the only one wearing black n gold who sit her pants today"

[Solecismic]

Regarding the Seattle/Kansas City competition for loudest stadium: isn't this a lawsuit waiting to happen? We are a society of Stellaliebecks, if nothing else.

[NobodyHere]

Regarding the Seattle/Kansas City competition for loudest stadium: isn't this a lawsuit waiting to happen? We are a society of Stellaliebecks, if nothing else.

I know I'm about to ask a silly question but could the noise levels in those stadiums violate OSHA standards? Could the government tell the fans to keep it down or your teams get fined?

[SnowMan]

I would think that employees would need to be provided with hearing protection and they'd be OK. I think. Maybe. I dunno. /shurg

[stevew]

How does Dennis Allen still have a job?

Can anyone pick him out of a lineup?
Like Mays or Barnwell said, "Dennis Allen" def sounds like a CPU created coach who shows up 7-10 years into a madden franchise mode.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Chiefs going red on red for the uniforms tonight. Only have worn it once before, beating the Cowboys 17-16 last year.

[Abe Sargent]

Good luck Chiefs!!!

[gstelmack]

I would think that employees would need to be provided with hearing protection and they'd be OK. I think. Maybe. I dunno. /shurg

Including the players on the field?

[cuervo72]

Red pants. WAT.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

I would think that employees would need to be provided with hearing protection and they'd be OK. I think. Maybe. I dunno. /shurg

A lot of the staff in the seating areas have radio earphones in one ear and an earplug in the other. They almost have to do it that way so they can hear if a problem is called out on the radios (i.e. fight, etc.)

[Abe Sargent]

Including the players on the field?

Maybe not players, but concession workers in the stands, staff on the field, network camera operators, etc.

[Abe Sargent]

Good job KC - that was a man drive.

[DaddyTorgo]

I usually FF through commercials and shit - trying to watch this live is fucking painful. I dunno how long I'm going to last.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Pats are in big trouble if the Chiefs keep breaking these big runs. It'll open the passing game wide open.

[DaddyTorgo]

Pats are in big trouble if the Chiefs keep breaking these big runs. It'll open the passing game wide open.

Pats are in big trouble if they don't get their shit sorted on offense and answer with a relatively quick TD here IMO.

[Abe Sargent]

Chiefs looking comfortable here

[lungs]

Arrowhead loudest in history!!!!!!!

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

142.4 decibels. That's a BIG jump. We'll have to bring in the FOFC noise experts to re-explain why there's no way Arrowhead can be that loud.

[cuervo72]

Still not sure why anyone cares that a bunch of people can yell really loudly. I mean, is this a skill? Do fans train for this by increasing lung capacity, etc?

[cartman]

How many false starts did the Patriots have in the first half?

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Still not sure why anyone cares that a bunch of people can yell really loudly. I mean, is this a skill? Do fans train for this by increasing lung capacity, etc?

Drinking beer and eating BBQ is the training regime around here.

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1011262_10202338358011013_2341587816553361265_n.jpg?oh=0a91caa2e20ef7286a2af1a2f47b4eed&oe=548399C7&__gda__=1422018477_3fa26de9d46e74f7e3c2bae5823bc2ec

[Lathum]

Isn't this where DT announces he is checking out to go watch Dr. Who or some shit...

[Scarecrow]

I know I'll probably have to eat my words, but...

Ding, Dong, the Pats are Dead!

[cartman]

I guess when your team has 3 playoff wins in the last 45 years, you have to find something for your fans to hang their hats on.

[BillJasper]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1011262_10202338358011013_2341587816553361265_n.jpg?oh=0a91caa2e20ef7286a2af1a2f47b4eed&oe=548399C7&__gda__=1422018477_3fa26de9d46e74f7e3c2bae5823bc2ec

Yay?

[cuervo72]

Isn't this where DT announces he is checking out to go watch Dr. Who or some shit...

lol

:highfive:

[BishopMVP]

I know I'll probably have to eat my words, but...

Ding, Dong, the Pats are Dead!Meh... Still 1st place in the division even if we end up losing. Hopefully Stork can stabilize the O-Line with more reps. Coward move by Belichick not going for it on either 4th down and short. Glad to see Andy Reid is still blowing clock management, even if he half got bailed out there.

[Abe Sargent]

Jovan Belcher was with CTE:

Jovan Belcher's brain showed signs of CTE, doctor says in report - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/11612386/jovan-belcher-brain-showed-signs-cte-doctor-says-report)

[claphamsa]

the pats cant even slow down the rush...little less stop it!

[Lathum]

Looked offsides.

[Abe Sargent]

Strip sack baby!

[Abe Sargent]

Charles again

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

DT, just switch the channel.

[Abe Sargent]

And now a pick by Brady. MAN this is a SPANKING!!!

[Abe Sargent]

Did someone put the Jacksonville Jaguars players in Patriots jerseys? :)


(I can make that joke as a Jags fan...;) )

[larrymcg421]

Isn't this where DT announces he is checking out to go watch Dr. Who or some shit...

That was when it was 7-0.

[cartman]

The comeback begins!

[larrymcg421]

We are a society of Stellaliebecks, if nothing else.

:rolleyes:

[BillJasper]

We are a society of Stellaliebecks, if nothing else.

You should watch the documentary Hot Coffee. It dispels the popular non-sense that surrounds that particular case. It actually shows the injuries that can come from coffee kept at between 180 and 190 degrees and the fact that McDonald's had buried seven hundred other complaints about how hot their coffee was kept.

It is on Netflix.

[JPhillips]

We've covered that this isn't the case to use as a symptom of excessive lawsuits, but for whatever reason the myth won't die.

[larrymcg421]

You should watch the documentary Hot Coffee. It dispels the popular non-sense that surrounds that particular case. It actually shows the injuries that can come from coffee kept at between 180 and 190 degrees and the fact that McDonald's had buried seven hundred other complaints about how hot their coffee was kept.

It is on Netflix.

+1

Also, she initially only asked for her hospital bills to be covered.

[BillJasper]

+1

Also, she initially only asked for her hospital bills to be covered.

Yep. McDonald's offered to cover $800 on $10,000-plus worth of medical bills. Everyone here would've sued under the same conditions.

[Abe Sargent]

ANOTHER pickby the Chiefs. This is just fun time now!

[BillJasper]

+1

Also, she initially only asked for her hospital bills to be covered.

Hot Coffee pretty much tears down every argument for tort reform.

[BishopMVP]

Kneeling is an automatic 15 yards for excessive celebration? Then I assume they'll make Christians praying after a score a penalty too?

[Suburban Rhythm]

Best part of that into return was after the DB slid into the endzone, the official looking for instruction elsewhere on whether he should throw flag on the celebration.

[Abe Sargent]

If the Chiefs hang 50 on the Pats tonight I'll get a boner so hard and big that I'll be able to lick it myself.

[BillJasper]

If the Chiefs hang 50 on the Pats tonight I'll get a boner so hard and big that I'll be able to lick it myself.

Eww...

[dubb93]

QB controversy in New England?

[Suburban Rhythm]

If the Chiefs hang 50 on the Pats tonight I'll get a boner so hard and big that I'll be able to lick it myself.

No pics plz k thx

[Julio Riddols]

Never go full autofellatio.

[Solecismic]

You should watch the documentary Hot Coffee. It dispels the popular non-sense that surrounds that particular case. It actually shows the injuries that can come from coffee kept at between 180 and 190 degrees and the fact that McDonald's had buried seven hundred other complaints about how hot their coffee was kept.

It is on Netflix.

I know the case. It hasn't changed the temperature of coffee at all. Other similar lawsuits have failed. The jury awarded millions to someone who spilled hot coffee on herself (it was reduced on appeal, and McDonald's ended up settling for about $600k). Which is terrible and unfortunate, but not the fault of the restaurant.

There's now a warning on the cup. But if that were the problem, most people above a certain age could sue anyway, because it's hard to read that tiny writing.

Sometimes bad things happen because we're careless. I used this example because it's one so many people have heard about.

[Suburban Rhythm]

The officials are calling the game they way they are being trained and graded on. I've worked for different supervisiors and had to adjust what I called based upon their interpretations. It's coming from the top down...not bottom up.

I'll defer to you obviously. Curious when those standards are communicated?

It's just frustrating. Not expecting perfection, but would like consistency.

From my understanding the referee was right in throwing the flag when Bell taunted and right when he didn't throw a flag in this video.

Guess I don't understand this. Excessive celebration is taunting. Physically stopping a celebration is not?

[cuervo72]

Guess I don't understand this. Excessive celebration is taunting. Physically stopping a celebration is not?

Memorable Moments: Teague Knocks Owens Off Star (http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/videos/Memorable-Moments-Teague-Knocks-Owens-Off-Star/eea87afa-61bf-4d83-82dd-f6f1d6d44249)

Justified.

(And I say this as an *Eagles* fan. :) )

[cartman]

Sorry, Abe. You were only able to reach 82% turgidity.

[Matthean]

The next time announcers go free form in a blowout, I'll remember this thread where a documentary was discussed if people start complain about what the announcers did.

[Scarecrow]

Kneeling is an automatic 15 yards for excessive celebration? Then I assume they'll make Christians praying after a score a penalty too?

Aactually Husain Abdullah is a devout Muslim, including taking off the 2012-13 football season to pilgrimage to Mecca. Wonder if it was some sort of prayer thing, and if anything comes out of it.

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry, Abe. You were only able to reach 82% turgidity.

There's always the Bengals next week...

[NobodyHere]

And Dennis Allen gets sacked.

[BishopMVP]

Aactually Husain Abdullah is a devout Muslim, including taking off the 2012-13 football season to pilgrimage to Mecca. Wonder if it was some sort of prayer thing, and if anything comes out of it.It was definitely a Muslim prayer thing... Which is why I drew the connection to Christian players who pray or make a religious symbol after scoring.

[NobodyHere]

Some stuff can only happen to the Lions

Joseph Fauria Says He Hurt Himself Trying To Stop His Puppy From Peeing (http://deadspin.com/joseph-fauria-says-he-hurt-himself-trying-to-stop-his-p-1640515646)

[Julio Riddols]

I've been wondering why they're using Fauria so damn much when they have Ebron. Is Ebron just not that good?

[Dutch]

Guess I don't understand this. Excessive celebration is taunting. Physically stopping a celebration is not?

I didn't see the Bell taunting, so you tell me if it met the intent of the taunting penalty.

[Dutch]

Oh, and to cap off the week, Dennis Allen was fired this morning.

[Dr. Sak]

Best part of that into return was after the DB slid into the endzone, the official looking for instruction elsewhere on whether he should throw flag on the celebration.

I admit I didn't see the play so I can't comment on the particular one you are talking about. But I can relate it to a situation that I've had.

There has been a crackdown in allowing players to dive (celebatory) into the endzone. Well the official at the goalline is so focused on the goalline and pylon that he doesn't know if the player who dove actually was threatened and needed to dive or just did it to show boat. That's where he will look back and get help from the trailing official.

I'm not saying the play was correctly or incorrectly called, I'm just explaining the mechanic on the play.

I'll defer to you obviously. Curious when those standards are communicated?

Most of them get communicated down at the Clinic before the season starts. But just like everything in life and football it evolves throughout the season. Each crew has access to training tapes the NFL makes each week to talk about good and bad calls. The teams also have access to these so they can adjust.

I know it sounds like I am making excuses but it's not as black and white and you guys think. This is all judgement...each official has a judgement call...the TA (grader) at the game has his own judgement...and the head of officials has his own judgement. You try as hard as possible to get in sync, but it doesn't always happen.

For example, I make a holding call which my TA downgrades me but then later I see on the training tape that my supervisior thinks it was good. Well guess what, my grade wasn't changed even though my supervisior said it was a correct call. So then I'm stuck in a quandry the next game I have that TA, do I call it the way he sees it so I don't get downgraded or do I do what my supervisiors says? Most would say (and I agree) that you do what your supervisior says...but you have to hope your supervisior remembers that your downgrade he actually agreed with when the end of the season grades come out.

[Suburban Rhythm]

I didn't see the Bell taunting, so you tell me if it met the intent of the taunting penalty.

Being he has done the same thing every game, including multiple times this game, and called once, I'll say no. But I get my opinion is biased.

I admit I didn't see the play so I can't comment on the particular one you are talking about. But I can relate it to a situation that I've had.

There has been a crackdown in allowing players to dive (celebatory) into the endzone. Well the official at the goalline is so focused on the goalline and pylon that he doesn't know if the player who dove actually was threatened and needed to dive or just did it to show boat. That's where he will look back and get help from the trailing official.

I'm not saying the play was correctly or incorrectly called, I'm just explaining the mechanic on the play.



Most of them get communicated down at the Clinic before the season starts. But just like everything in life and football it evolves throughout the season. Each crew has access to training tapes the NFL makes each week to talk about good and bad calls. The teams also have access to these so they can adjust.

I know it sounds like I am making excuses but it's not as black and white and you guys think. This is all judgement...each official has a judgement call...the TA (grader) at the game has his own judgement...and the head of officials has his own judgement. You try as hard as possible to get in sync, but it doesn't always happen.

For example, I make a holding call which my TA downgrades me but then later I see on the training tape that my supervisior thinks it was good. Well guess what, my grade wasn't changed even though my supervisior said it was a correct call. So then I'm stuck in a quandry the next game I have that TA, do I call it the way he sees it so I don't get downgraded or do I do what my supervisiors says? Most would say (and I agree) that you do what your supervisior says...but you have to hope your supervisior remembers that your downgrade he actually agreed with when the end of the season grades come out.

Sounds like a flawed system.

And back to my original comment, if these are not being communicated in game/ halftime, makes it all the more frustrating. If a call is made in the 1st quarter, like the first time Bell signals first down, but not the next 4 times he does it, hard to grasp what is correct.

[molson]

It actually shows the injuries that can come from coffee kept at between 180 and 190 degrees

Which is the same temperature Keurig recommends you brew your coffee at home at. McDonald's still serves it at that temperature today (when they don't they get complaints, because a lot of people take their coffee to go). The only difference is that now they have to warn people that coffee is, in fact, hot.

[ISiddiqui]

Which is the same temperature Keurig recommends you brew your coffee at home at. McDonald's still serves it at that temperature today (when they don't they get complaints, because a lot of people take their coffee to go). The only difference is that now they have to warn people that coffee is, in fact, hot.

No. There was an out of court settlement that resolved the litigation, so there was no requirements placed on McDonalds. The warning of coffee being hot was already on the cup prior to the litigation - the jury ruled that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. In addition the initial punitive damages awarded was the actual value of McDonald's revenues on coffee sales for 2 days (which was reduced by the judge to 3 times the compensatory damages). You want punitive damages to be very high - that's the point, it's to punish the company for an egregious act, in this case ignoring hundreds of complaints and internal concerns.

[JPhillips]

And McDonalds did change the cup and lid to reduce the potential for spillage.

[Thomkal]

Say Goodbye to the NFL Blackout rule:

FCC Ends NFL Blackout Rule: Latest Details, Comments and Reaction | Bleacher Report (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2215731-fcc-ends-nfl-blackout-rule-latest-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national)

[BishopMVP]

NFL has admitted Abdullah should not have been flagged for going to his knees in prayer (although there is some question whether he slid too far into it?). Sorry, can't link to stuff on my phone.

[Thomkal]

NFL says Abdullah shouldn't have been penalized:

NFL says Husain Abdullah of Kansas City Chiefs shouldn't have been penalized for praying in celebration - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11616422/nfl-says-husain-abdullah-kansas-city-chiefs-penalized-praying-celebration)

[ISiddiqui]

NFL has admitted Abdullah should not have been flagged for going to his knees in prayer (although there is some question whether he slid too far into it?). Sorry, can't link to stuff on my phone.

Slid too far into it? Islamic prayer (well part of it) involves putting your head all the way to the ground.

[Kodos]

FCC unanimously votes to eliminate sports blackout rules | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/30/6873177/fcc-votes-to-repeal-sports-blackout-rule)

[BillJasper]

Raiders settle on Tony Sparano as interim head coach | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/30/raiders-settle-on-tony-sparano-as-interim-head-coach/)

Funny. The Dolphins have made Sparano a head coach twice! :lol:

[Dutch]

Being he has done the same thing every game, including multiple times this game, and called once, I'll say no. But I get my opinion is biased.

Hehe, thanks to NFL Replays, I just watched the first quarter. On the play in question, he was tackled pretty hard to the ground by #50 (backup LB to the hurt Mason Foster)...he got up and shoved #50, did his 1st down sign, and then jumped right back into #50's face with the ref next to both of them. Not a big deal and I could see it going either way, but we've seen this a million times by now, and you have to assume the ref heard something that Bell said and there is no reason to think it was a bad decision on the part of the ref. So yes, you are correct, you were being a little biased. :)

[EagleFan]

You should watch the documentary Hot Coffee. It dispels the popular non-sense that surrounds that particular case. It actually shows the injuries that can come from coffee kept at between 180 and 190 degrees and the fact that McDonald's had buried seven hundred other complaints about how hot their coffee was kept.

It is on Netflix.

If you are going to keep hot coffee between your legs, let Darwinism take over...

[Dutch]

If you are going to keep hot coffee between your legs, let Darwinism take over...

Yep...and if anybody thinks that McDonalds hides information because they are inherently evil and not trying to defend themselves from the wolves that would sue over things like hot coffee looking for big dollars are fooling themselves. It's all about the benjamins.

[ISiddiqui]

One of the reasons we need to sue over stuff like this. It's the only way to keep the bastards in line.

[Buccaneer]

Or to justify the hordes of lawyers.

[molson]

No. There was an out of court settlement that resolved the litigation, so there was no requirements placed on McDonalds. The warning of coffee being hot was already on the cup prior to the litigation - the jury ruled that the warning was neither large enough nor sufficient. In addition the initial punitive damages awarded was the actual value of McDonald's revenues on coffee sales for 2 days (which was reduced by the judge to 3 times the compensatory damages). You want punitive damages to be very high - that's the point, it's to punish the company for an egregious act, in this case ignoring hundreds of complaints and internal concerns.

Do you really think that a warning that wasn't "large enough nor sufficient" is egregious? Are those warnings large enough now? I couldn't tell you, I didn't notice them before or after.

I think the pendulum has swung back too far in the other direction on that case now. Documentarians have political agendas too. People have been burned by coffee before that case, and people have been burned since. There were lawsuits before that case, and lawsuits since. This one case was unusual because of the verdict. Most places still serve their coffee at the same temperature McDonald's did then (despite the plaintiff's lawyer arguing that coffee should never be served at more than 140 degrees...of course that was before the coffee snob era we enjoy today.) The only way to protect everyone is to ban coffee.

[ISiddiqui]

What was egregious was hundreds upon hundreds of complaints, internal memos indicating that the coffee was too hot, and a completely ignoring of all of that. As long as they got their money, who cares about customer complaints? I mean it wasn't like anyone was going to make them not be negligent. And it wasn't like anyone was really going to successfully sue over it... until they did. And to think, all she wanted was her medical bills paid for. Then again, $600,000 isn't much at all to a company like McDonald's.

[ISiddiqui]

Or to justify the hordes of lawyers.

There aren't nearly enough to prevent corporations to get away with all sorts of heinous crap.

[molson]

What was egregious was hundreds upon hundreds of complaints, internal memos indicating that the coffee was too hot, and a completely ignoring of all of that. As long as they got their money, who cares about customer complaints? I mean it wasn't like anyone was going to make them not be negligent. And it wasn't like anyone was really going to successfully sue over it... until they did. And to think, all she wanted was her medical bills paid for. Then again, $600,000 isn't much at all to a company like McDonald's.

Do you have a problem with Keurig and Starbucks and all of the other companies that serve coffee (or recommend that it be brewed at home) at up to 185 degrees, which is still the standard serving temperature today? (Keurig brewers actually can go higher than that)

Your local snobby non-generically evil coffee shop also serves coffee at that temperature (they don't have the deep pockets plaintiff's attorneys seek out though) That's generally what people prefer, especially for good coffee. If a state government thinks that's too dangerous and wants to ban coffee at that temperature, that's cool, but let's not pretend McDonald's is on some island serving coffee at that temperature then or now.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Do you have a problem with Keurig and Starbucks and all of the other companies that serve coffee (or recommend that it be brewed at home) at up to 185 degrees, which is still the standard serving temperature today?

I probably wouldn't, since I like my coffee like I like my womens, smoking hot.

[Buccaneer]

But according to the lawyers, serving coffee hot and at the recommended temperature is heinous crap.

[BillJasper]

But according to the lawyers, serving coffee hot and at the recommended temperature is heinous crap.

Something wrong when something you serve causes these types of injuries:

Jack Calvert: Stella Liebeck's injuries (http://jackcalvert.blogspot.com/p/stella-liebecks-injuries.html)

If it needs to be served that hot, then perhaps McDonald's should've taken the time to investigate a better container for the product after seven hundred other people complained.

[EagleFan]

Something wrong when something you serve causes these types of injuries:

Jack Calvert: Stella Liebeck's injuries (http://jackcalvert.blogspot.com/p/stella-liebecks-injuries.html)

If it needs to be served that hot, then perhaps McDonald's should've taken the time to investigate a better container for the product after seven hundred other people complained.

No, something wrong when you are an idiot and put HOT coffee between your legs.

[BillJasper]

No, something wrong when you are an idiot and put HOT coffee between your legs.

You've never sat a drink between your legs? I use to all the time when I drove.

But that really isn't the point, the point being if you had went to court acknowledging that there was an issue and you had either already redesigned the cup or were in the process of doing it, McDonald's likely would've walked out a winner. Because they'd have shown a jury that they were proactive to the problem, instead they tried to bury it and tell everyone to fuck-off.

As far as coffee being served at 180-190 degrees, my wife is an avid coffee drinker who has spilled fresh Starbucks on herself and came away with a red mark on her arm. I don't think it's served quite that hot anymore, companies just tell you it is.

[JonInMiddleGA]

At some point I probably ought to go back through this thread & figure out how coffee ended up being an NFL issue.

So far, however, I have not reached that point.

[molson]

Something wrong when something you serve causes these types of injuries:

Jack Calvert: Stella Liebeck's injuries (http://jackcalvert.blogspot.com/p/stella-liebecks-injuries.html)

If it needs to be served that hot, then perhaps McDonald's should've taken the time to investigate a better container for the product after seven hundred other people complained.

I'm surprised how many people apparently didn't realize that hot liquid could burn you prior to that incident. People have burned themselves, complained, and sued over this forever, and they continue to do so today. It's definitely possible for a restaurant to be legally responsible if they actually fuck something up (though Starbucks beat one suit where the lid wasn't securely fashioned - which is the case probably 20% of the times I've been to Starbucks), but that documentary has created these myths that the coffee served that day was extraordinary hot, and that the injuries sustained there was totally unforeseeable. If you spill 185 degree coffee on your skin (whether you bought the coffee at evil McDonald's or your local store) you're going to get 2nd or 3rd degree burns if you don't get it off quickly enough. And that does happen, and those people do occasionally sue (and almost always lose, or the case is settled). There's different reasonable opinions about how to deal with this, but if you're in the coffee business, this is going to happen and you're going to get complaints, and you're going to get sued.

[BillJasper]

In refusing to grant a new trial in the case, Judge Robert Scott called McDonald's behavior “callous.” Moreover, “the day after the verdict, the news media documented that coffee at the McDonald's in Albuquerque [where Liebeck was burned] is now sold at 158 degrees. This will cause third-degree burns in about 60 seconds, rather than in two to seven seconds [so that], the margin of safety has been increased as a direct consequence of this verdict.”

Someone thought it was obviously smart to turn down the temperature.

https://www.ttla.com/index.cfm?pg=McDonaldsCoffeeCaseFacts