Survivor XXIX

[Suicane75]

Thought tonight was a very strong premiere. Lots of good characters without overdoing it on the crazy (at least so far). Also pleased with Nadiya going out first, she just rubbed me the wrong way.

I like that at least so far it seems like normal people with shades of gray as opposed to whack jobs and Pollyannas.

Didn't mind the one girl almost popping out of her top going up the wall.

The preview montage at the end looked pretty awesome.

[Lathum]

Thought it was a solid episode. I like that there isn't 7-8 alpha males this time around to turn it into a frat house mentality. I like that Dale didnt go, I think he is going to be a solid player. I thought it was stupid of those girls to flat out state they were on the Amazing Race.

[korme]

I like that gay guy not enjoying just being called one of the girls. He's not Colten, he's like a tough guy that just likes dudes. I can respect that.

Also, obviously the show makes everyone immediately feel for Jeremy. What an incredibly tough spot to be in, but he handled it well, even with the picking of Keith "because he will take care of her." Well done.

Anyway, in my Survivor pool I have Dale (glasses fire starter) and Alec (the younger, seemingly-less dumb surfer bro). Not thrilled about either one of them.

My early pick to win, based on nothing but one show is Jon, the educated linebacker.

[Lathum]

My early pick to win, based on nothing but one show is Jon, the educated linebacker.

heh. I think he may be the one who quits. Wasn't he saying his Dad has cancer or something and doesn't have much time?

I also think Jeremy played that really smart. I looked at my wife and said " he better not pick himself." Glad to see he pays attention to prior seasons and knew how that would be received.

[gstelmack]

As soon as I saw "The Twinnies" were going to be on the show, my wife and I decided to avoid the season. They ruined one season of The Amazing Race, and almost ruined another except that they went out early. I couldn't take any more of them.

[Landshark44]

Didn't mind the one girl almost popping out of her top going up the wall.



What was she thinking? She wasn't even wearing a top...


She shows up with just her buff wrapped around her big breasts, for a challenge that is pretty sure to be athletic in nature. I'm all for her wearing that around camp.... pretty stupid to wear at a challenge...

[NobodyHere]

Has there seriously been 29 of these?

[Draft Dodger]

I enjoyed it as well. I thought most of the cast was surprisingly likeable.

[korme]

As soon as I saw "The Twinnies" were going to be on the show, my wife and I decided to avoid the season. They ruined one season of The Amazing Race, and almost ruined another except that they went out early. I couldn't take any more of them.

Don't worry, half of them is gone after 1 episode.

[saldana]

As soon as I saw "The Twinnies" were going to be on the show, my wife and I decided to avoid the season. They ruined one season of The Amazing Race, and almost ruined another except that they went out early. I couldn't take any more of them.

i seriously wanted to kill them during the introductions when they were finishing each others sentences and answering in stereo...i cant wait to see the reaction on the fact of the one that is left when them come into next weeks reward challenge and she sees her sister is gone.

[Kodos]

I don't think the football player will last long. And like most, I was happy to see one of the sisters go. I can't imagine many gay men like to be treated as the equivalent of a woman.

[Autumn]

Just watched the episode last night. I hadn't seen the other Blood and Water (is this structured hte same, with separating them at first?). So far it's been interesting, though I may get tired of hte tearjerker confessionals as the game goes on.

I agree, a good mix. I don't know why guys like professional athletes bother signing up for these things. 0% chance anyone famous or rich gets beyond a few weeks in my opinon. Seems like a waste of your time.

The Louisiana guys drove me bonkers in the intro, but I kind of liked the dad after he went to the island. The son is dumb as bricks though. "I think your name has five letters ... oh wait, no, six." Oh man.

And who wears a Polo shirt to survivor? Might as well write "vote me out" on your back in my opinion, what a doof.

Yeah, I'm glad Josh voted Nadiya, she really nailed her coffin with those comments about him. I think he could be a good player, seems to be able to straddle being a social player without coming off as manipulative.

So are we to assume that was the idol that Dale found? Weird it was just sitting on the well.

[Maple Leafs]

I was only partly paying attention, but did I hear this right: John Rocket's big plan to disguise the fact that he's a former MLB closer was to tell people that his last name was Wetteland?

[Lathum]

John Wettland was also a closer. I think he wanted to hide the fact he was John Rocker.

[korme]

John Wettland was also a closer. I think he wanted to hide the fact he was John Rocker.

I think he didn't want to be associated with baseball at all, and was just saying Wetteland because he was a less famous name. For instance, if you know the name John Wetteland, then you probably don't have any trouble looking at that man and knowing he is John Rocker.

[NobodyHere]

John Wettland was also a closer. I think he wanted to hide the fact he was John Rocker.

So John Wettlan is off his Rocker?

[CraigSca]

As soon as I saw "The Twinnies" were going to be on the show, my wife and I decided to avoid the season. They ruined one season of The Amazing Race, and almost ruined another except that they went out early. I couldn't take any more of them.

We're still watching, but my goodness, who actually likes these girls to make them appear on their 3rd CBS show?

[Maple Leafs]

John Wettland was also a closer. I think he wanted to hide the fact he was John Rocker.
Right. It was like Joe Montana not wanting to be identified as a former NFL quarterback, and telling people his last name was actually Namath. Way to throw 'em off the scent, John!

[Autumn]

I'm getting the feeling Rocker's not the sharpest tool in the shed. He and Wes should make a good pair.

[Maple Leafs]

I've actually been surprised by Rocker so far. I thought he'd be a complete trainwreck, but he's seemed like a decent player so far. Based on the preview, maybe that changes next week.

[saldana]

I've actually been surprised by Rocker so far. I thought he'd be a complete trainwreck, but he's seemed like a decent player so far. Based on the preview, maybe that changes next week.

he looked like he was getting close to psycho during the immunity challenge too

[CraigSca]

Yeah, I liked his comment about losing to a girl - always endearing to the opposite sex.

[korme]

Val earned her way out of the tribe, and I thought it was a casually ballsy power play by Rocker, calling Val's bluff. If she wasn't lying, he keeps his word and keeps her in the game. She lies, Rocker says fuck it, I gave you a chance, but now you're outta here.

[saldana]

Val earned her way out of the tribe, and I thought it was a casually ballsy power play by Rocker, calling Val's bluff. If she wasn't lying, he keeps his word and keeps her in the game. She lies, Rocker says fuck it, I gave you a chance, but now you're outta here.

i agree...thought it was really stupid to claim 2 idols so early in the game, especially considering how little time she was on the beach...she basically said to everyone "i am running the show" and forced them to vote for her

[Autumn]

Yeah, I liked his comment about losing to a girl - always endearing to the opposite sex.

I said to my wife, "well he just got himself voted out," when he said that. Way to shoot yourself in the social game early. He's already got knocks on him for his reputation, it seems, and he's an apparent physical threat (though he hasn't performed that way). Alienating half the contestants might not be a good idea.

He definitely seems like a hothead in challenges too, I expect he'll go postal at some point.

There's an interesting sympathy angle that gets played when someone gets voted out. The mother (forget her name) looked ready to adopt Natalie when her sister got voted out. Jeffrey might get some sympathy next week as well.

Julie really kicked ass at that challenge and showed some real focus and patience.

Baylor seems to be left without an ally of any sort, not sure what she'll do next. Already labeled as deceptive this early.

[Autumn]

Oh god, I cannot wait for that douchebag guy to get voted out. John? With the hair and the polo shirt. I am so glad he lost that flint, and then basically wasted a challenge for them. What a tool.

[Lathum]

and thats why you never throw a challenge.

[Thomkal]

Boy there are some egomaniacs on this season that's for sure-glad they are getting voted off one by one.

[Suicane75]

I couldn't decide if I wanted him out tonight or wanted the pleasure of seeing how much more of a douche bag he could become.

[saldana]

that was possibly the most personally satifying tribal ever...i could not stand that guy at all and the only thing that could have made it better was if he reacted out loud when jeff called him up...what a douche

[Suicane75]

Dunno if it'll get touched on in the future but it would have been interesting to see the girl tell her tribe that they only won because Drew threw the competition.

[Maple Leafs]

Sometimes, an episode of Survivor is all about misdirection, red herrings and throwing you off the scent of what's going to happen. And sometimes,. every once in a while, it's just "Let's all point and laugh at this gigantic douche bag".

[Autumn]

Dunno if it'll get touched on in the future but it would have been interesting to see the girl tell her tribe that they only won because Drew threw the competition.

Yeah, I actually 100% expected he was going to tell people he did that. I thought he was that dumb. What an egomaniac, I don't know where they find these guys. He's lucky he got voted out now, because as soon as a merge happened and that came out he'd be gone anyway. I loved that even while on the verge of being voted out he checked out Julie's ass as she walked past him to vote.

I imagine his brother will be a target soon, he's nearly as annoying. However, he may be able to turn it against Baylor as she already has some negatives.

I feel like the last two episodes have been obvious slam dunks, you just knew from the editing who was going, and deservedly so, I suppose. I'm ready for some intrigue, however.

I notice so far Reed on that tribe is sliding by very unnoticed. His boyfriend has been labeled as kind of a leader or decision maker in his tribe, which could backfire, but Reed has been absolutely neutral as far as we know. That should pay off for him.

[Draft Dodger]

that was possibly the most personally satifying tribal ever...i could not stand that guy at all and the only thing that could have made it better was if he reacted out loud when jeff called him up...what a douche

indeed. Although it's a shame he got voted out before anyone could find out what his "other assets" actually were.

I find it hilarious that he thinks getting voted off validates his belief that the girls were gunning for him. And honestly, he probably still feels that way even after seeing the show - he's that lost.

Maybe under the radar, voting was a hot mess as well. All the girls voted for Drew, no surprise there. But, oddly, Jeremy also voted for Drew instead of Keith. The Keith vote came from Jon while the other two dudes voted for Julie. And, of course, Drew was the only one who voted for Kelley.

[Lathum]

I don't understand why they are all so butt hurt about the trailmix. She grabbed it from the merge feast. It isn't like she stole food from the tribe. Any one of them could have done what she did and chose not to. How is it any different than if she ate it at the feast? And to go through her stuff is shitty. Bunch of pussies.

[Ironhead]

I don't understand why they are all so butt hurt about the trailmix. She grabbed it from the merge feast. It isn't like she stole food from the tribe. Any one of them could have done what she did and chose not to. How is it any different than if she ate it at the feast? And to go through her stuff is shitty. Bunch of pussies.

Exactly. All of this moaning is also from people who ate their entire supply of rice within about 14-17 days of the game starting.

[Lathum]

Excellent point.

[korme]

Struggling to find a really likable person on this tribe that is left. I think Keith's all I got.

[Suicane75]

Jeremy, Keith, Wes. That's about it. And even then it's only a tepid rooting interest in lieu of anyone better.

[Draft Dodger]

yeah, probably Keith for me although he has no chance.

cannot stomach the Jon and Jacelyn couple. OMG they make me want to vomit

[EagleFan]

Going to be rough watching the rest of this season. I guess Jeremy is about the only one left that I would like to see win but it seems like he is out soon.

[Racer]

Very surprised by who got voted out tonight. Thought the editing was pointing towards that person as the winner.

[Lathum]

Very surprised by who got voted out tonight. Thought the editing was pointing towards that person as the winner.

I'm not, they would have been stupid to side with the guys. They can still get Jeff out at some point, and Jon can beat the girls if physical challenges.

It would have been nice to go to the end with long hair douchey guy, but Jaquline is right, thinking too long term on Jons part. They now have the numbers and no one has any reason to flip.

We all know things will of course get shaken up, but for now its the right move.

Plus, once those guys went all caveman you knew it was over for them.

[Maple Leafs]

Just once, I'd like to see somebody get an immunity idol clue and not find it immediately.

Every single one for the past half dozen seasons has gone something like this:
(Player unwraps clue scroll)
"Hmm... according to this, the idol is somewhere near a tree."
(Camera pans back to show entire island is covered in trees.)
"Well, I guess I could check that tree over there."
(Player takes one step towards tree.)
(Trips over immunity idol.)
"Yay!"

[EagleFan]

Just once, I'd like to see somebody get an immunity idol clue and not find it immediately.

Every single one for the past half dozen seasons has gone something like this:
(Player unwraps clue scroll)
"Hmm... according to this, the idol is somewhere near a tree."
(Camera pans back to show entire island is covered in trees.)
"Well, I guess I could check that tree over there."
(Player takes one step towards tree.)
(Trips over immunity idol.)
"Yay!"

You left out the part where they show the dejected looking player saying they will look one more time, then tripping over the idol.

[Lathum]

Just once, I'd like to see somebody get an immunity idol clue and not find it immediately.

Every single one for the past half dozen seasons has gone something like this:
(Player unwraps clue scroll)
"Hmm... according to this, the idol is somewhere near a tree."
(Camera pans back to show entire island is covered in trees.)
"Well, I guess I could check that tree over there."
(Player takes one step towards tree.)
(Trips over immunity idol.)
"Yay!"

It is an hour long show, how much time do you want them to dedicate to someone looking?

[Mota]

They are there for 2 days and they show them for maybe 2 minutes. I would think the tripping over the idol happens after hours of looking (off camera).

[Autumn]

What's amazing me this season is I have almost never seen anyone gathering any food. They're all starving, but apparently there's nothing to eat there but snails and occasionally a crab? Isn't there any fruit? Most seasons people seem to be spending 80% of their time collecting food, but these guys are all laying around bitching.

[Autumn]

Couldn't help laughing at the edits of Wes gulping down that food. Jeebus.

[Suicane75]

Am I just being antsy in waiting for a big move or are people really not doing much of anything. I'd have thought Keith would be eager to make a move on the people who wrote his name down before the tribes merged but he's done nothing. Then I don't really understand why the gay guys would be first on the radar this past week when Wes and the other young dickhead would seem like better choices to get out first.

I'm pretty much down to only rooting for Jeremy, but his alliance makes it so hard to enjoy.

[Autumn]

Yes, people aren't doing much surprising so far this season. A lot of episodes have just been, yep, that's what they should have done. Did it.

[chrisj]

I don't know - I understand wanting to get out the gay guys. They seemed to be the only one from that alliance trying to make a move. Then again its hard to judge based on the edits.

[EagleFan]

This season has jumped the shark. At least for the season.

[Draft Dodger]

yeah tough season - Jeremy is pretty much the only likeable person at all. Nor is there anyone really dislikeable. Everyone is just incredibly bland.

[Kodos]

Baylor is kinda cute.

[Autumn]

If you could combine Baylor's face with Jaclyn's body, then we'd be getting somewhere.

[Suicane75]

I want to punch Baylor in the face every time I see her.

This is an incredibly sexist thing to say, I realize, but a part of me died when Julies boobs quit.

[Autumn]

Jaclyn's boobs are much better. #forreal

[larrymcg421]

Memorable tribal council tonight. This season has really picked up after the merge.

[Simbo Klice]

Keith's IQ has to be somewhere in the 40-50 range. I'd love to see an all-dumb redneck Survivor.

[EagleFan]

It has gotten better and I can't believe I want to see Natalie do well. Couldn't stand her and her sister on Amazing Race. Of course, it could just be the combination of the two of them together that gets annoying.

[Lathum]

It has gotten better and I can't believe I want to see Natalie do well. Couldn't stand her and her sister on Amazing Race. Of course, it could just be the combination of the two of them together that gets annoying.

I didn't see the amazing Race but I also want to see her do well, she seems to be a level above everyone at playing except maybe Reid.

I feel bad for Keith, his son went home directly because of his stupid comment.

Maybe it is just me, but watching people jump off the poles for food so fast made me long for the old days of Survivor. Maybe I am misremembering, but I don't think in earlier seasons players would have given up like that for food.

[EagleFan]

I didn't see the amazing Race but I also want to see her do well, she seems to be a level above everyone at playing except maybe Reid.

I feel bad for Keith, his son went home directly because of his stupid comment.

Maybe it is just me, but watching people jump off the poles for food so fast made me long for the old days of Survivor. Maybe I am misremembering, but I don't think in earlier seasons players would have given up like that for food.

I thought that has been in play for a while now. Or a variety of that type of challenge where it sort of helps potentially blow up the game a bit to see where people think they stand. Though I think it was usually a choice of either eating or participating.

[EagleFan]

Though I will say, Natalie's approach was brilliant. She knew that she couldn't go much longer and still got a freaking feast for it. Major props to her for that.

(If you had seen The Amazing Race you would probably know why I throw up a little bit in my mouth each time I compliment her -- though it could still just be the combination of her and her sister together)

[Mizzou B-ball fan]

Though I will say, Natalie's approach was brilliant. She knew that she couldn't go much longer and still got a freaking feast for it. Major props to her for that.

(If you had seen The Amazing Race you would probably know why I throw up a little bit in my mouth each time I compliment her -- though it could still just be the combination of her and her sister together)

My wife and I have been talking about this for weeks. The combination is annoying, but she's very likeable when she's not playing off her sister all the time and comes across as much more intelligent.

[Maple Leafs]

The first half of that episode was one of the most frustrating hours of TV I've ever seen. I'm pretty sure 90% of couple who just watched that together ended up having a ridiculous fight.

[Suicane75]

My lord, every week I feel like I have a new rooting interest and then they go either get voted out or go back to the dark side.

Someone please explain to me Natalies move there. She pisses off her two alliance leaders just to keep Keith in the game, who even if he does win the next immunity, SHE KNOWS John has an idol. It felt completely like making a move just to make a move.

This season is really coming down to who's the least biggest asshole. I guess I'm rooting for Keith now, even though he doesn't deserve to win. But everyone else is both unlikeable and stupid. At least he's just stupid.

[larrymcg421]

I don't think there will be much blowback from this. I doubt it will be hard to smooth over. Tony made moves like this all last season and he was able to get his alliance back. And she's ensured a vote from Keith if she goes to the end. She was never getting Alec's vote.

But even if Jon and Jaclyn are pissed, Natalie still has Baylor and Keith on her side. That will make it 3-3 and it shouldn't be hard for Baylor to convince her mom to join them in order to avoid drawing rocks.

Also, based on scenes from next week, Missy might be going home, which would give Keith, Baylor, and Natalie a 3-2 edge.

I'm not saying it's an ideal move. It will depend on how she manages the fallout. But I think it can be a good move if she plays it right.

[Autumn]

Missy will be the key now, yeah. I assume she realizes she has to get rid of John eventually, but the editing has made it unclear if she's willing to pull the trigger. The fact that Natalie hasn't been blabbing all over about her idol, like John, gives her the edge at the moment.

I was so sure Jacyln was going to get pissed and vote her own boyfriend off. That guy kept digging his hole deeper.

[Autumn]

And Missy bringing Natalie on the reward was a real dumb move. Natalie wouldn't have been pissed to be left behind, and Jaclyn and Jon are suckers for stuff like that.

[Kodos]

If you can't vote Jon out, why not target his partner, Jaclyn?

[Autumn]

I've been thinking about whether it's better to get to the end as a couple or not. You would think it doubles your chances in the final three, but I think it would encourage some jury members to vote for the single as an underdog. Might be better to plan to sacrifice your partner before then, get a vote on the jury, and establish one partner as the player.

[Autumn]

If you can't vote Jon out, why not target his partner, Jaclyn?

Yeah, exactly. Really shows how well liked she is in camp I think that no one considers that. Could be important down the stretch. If Jon was smart, he'd get her to the final three, but I'm sure he thinks he's the champ. What a dunce.

[Kodos]

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[Maple Leafs]

I've been thinking about whether it's better to get to the end as a couple or not. You would think it doubles your chances in the final three, but I think it would encourage some jury members to vote for the single as an underdog. Might be better to plan to sacrifice your partner before then, get a vote on the jury, and establish one partner as the player.
I'd assume that any couple that got to the final three would pick one to win, and have the other throw all the support behind them. You'd basically get double the time for all the answers, and drop your odds from 1-in-3 to 1-in-2 at least.

Now, maybe that plays badly with the jury. Guess it would depend on how over-the-top it was.

[saldana]

that double episode was painful...i honestly cant stand watching all the crying this season...i also wont be surprised one bit if when they get to the finale, jon and jaclyn have broken up...i think once she sees the show and sees how much of douche he is the whole time, she is gonna be pissed.

[Kodos]

Yeah, they don't seem like a solid couple.

[larrymcg421]

I'd assume that any couple that got to the final three would pick one to win, and have the other throw all the support behind them. You'd basically get double the time for all the answers, and drop your odds from 1-in-3 to 1-in-2 at least.

I think it would make more sense to make sure half the couple didn't make the F3 so you have a guaranteed vote and an advocate on the jury.

[Maple Leafs]

I think it would make more sense to make sure half the couple didn't make the F3 so you have a guaranteed vote and an advocate on the jury.
I don't know. Is having a 1-in-3 chance with one vote out of seven (nine?) locked up, a better deal than 1-in-2 with all votes in play? We may need QuikSand to weigh in.

[Mota]

Considering they're boyfriend / girlfriend and not even getting along that great at times, I would play hard regardless.

[larrymcg421]

I don't know. Is having a 1-in-3 chance with one vote out of seven (nine?) locked up, a better deal than 1-in-2 with all votes in play? We may need QuikSand to weigh in.

If it's a F3, there will be 8. If it's a F2, there will be 9.

Usually in the F3 situations, it's down to 2 people anyways. Only twice have all three people received votes in a F3. Also, even if one of them threw the Final Tribal, there's no guarantee they still wouldn't split votes or that the obvious collusion wouldn't turn people off. I'm so competitive that if I was on Survivor, winning would be more important than the money.

Mota does bring up a great point that it wouldn't make sense for Jon and Jaclyn to collude since there's no guarantee they'll share the money. That would only be a guarantee for a married couple.

[saldana]

i dont think they would allow one of them to throw the final tribal.

a long time ago, i think it might have been when rupert stole everyone's shoes and sold them, Jeff told the players that there are really only two rules to survivor.

1. you cannot have any kind of physical altercation with another player
2. you cannot have any kind of deal to split the money

[Landshark44]

there are probably more rules then that...


like, if you find an immunity idol in someones bag, you can't use it yourself. right?

[larrymcg421]

there are probably more rules then that...


like, if you find an immunity idol in someones bag, you can't use it yourself. right?

This is correct. When you find an idol, it comes with a document that spells out all the rules for ownership. It cannot be used by someone else unless yo consent to give it to them.

As for the split money rule, I imagine that had to be relaxed for the Blood vs Water seasons.

[Draft Dodger]

Someone please explain to me Natalies move there. She pisses off her two alliance leaders just to keep Keith in the game, who even if he does win the next immunity, SHE KNOWS John has an idol. It felt completely like making a move just to make a move.


she's way late on making a move on John. Would have been much easier to do earlier.

for that matter, why not go after Jacqueline? Even without bringing Missy on board, Baylor, Nathalie, Keith and Alec had 4 votes.

can't remember so much whining ever about not being picked for the rewards. what a bunch of babies.

[larrymcg421]

When will people learn that giving up a reward means absolutely nothing? This is a game for a million dollars. If someone wants you out, a free massage isn't going to change that. You'd think people would've learned from the Brenda debacle in Caramoan.

What a great episode for Natalie: Selling people on her lie, winning immunity, and orchestrating a blindside. And she's the only person with an idol left.

[EagleFan]

Nice episode. No idea how Missy can carry on though.

[larrymcg421]

If Missy gets pulled, then it looks like a Natalie, Baylor, Keith F3 unless Jaclyn wins immunity.

Keith will get a vote from Wes (and maybe Alec). Baylor will get a vote from Missy. I think Natalie will get Josh, Jeremy, and Reed. No idea who Jon and Jaclyn vote for in that scenario.

[Suicane75]

Yet another idiot taking an idol home with them. For heck sakes.

[grdawg]

Yet another idiot taking an idol home with them. For heck sakes.

Couldn't John have given it to Jaqueline. I would think he knew when they revoted it was going to be him so he should have given it to her then.

[EagleFan]

No, once the idol isn't played it can't be given away.

[larrymcg421]

Couldn't John have given it to Jaqueline. I would think he knew when they revoted it was going to be him so he should have given it to her then.

I'm pretty sure you can't pass the idol once voting has started.

[Draft Dodger]

I still say she should have done it sooner, but great, great move by Natalie. If she does make it to final 3 - which is looking pretty good at this point - she should win it handily.

[larrymcg421]

The only concern for Natalie is the final 4. If she doesn't win immunity, will Baylor and Missy take her out?

[grdawg]

Well if John wasn't going to play the idol then he should have left it hidden at camp so in case he or Jacqueline were voted out, the other would have it for the next tribal.

I don't really like anyone who is left at this point, come to think of it, I didn't really liked anyone that much this season at all. I think a final 3 of Baylor, Missy, and Natalie sucks. If Baylor and Missy were smart they would get back in Jacqueline's good graces because she has no shot of winning so it would be smart to take her to final 3.

[Lathum]

Is Wednesday the finale?

[Kodos]

Yes.

[Mota]

This could be the least likeable final 5 ever!

The season has been interesting, but at this point I'm just hoping for a random typhoon to hit...

[Draft Dodger]

Well if John wasn't going to play the idol then he should have left it hidden at camp so in case he or Jacqueline were voted out, the other would have it for the next tribal.


I don't think you can do that

[larrymcg421]

Yeah, one person has ownership of the idol. If it's buried at camp and he gets voted out, she can't dig it up and use it. Also, he didn't know he wasn't going to use it. You always bring your idol just in case. That paid off for him last time when Natalie talked him into playing the idol.

[Draft Dodger]

You always bring your idol just in case. That paid off for him last time when Natalie talked him into playing the idol.

shhh, don't tell anyone that it was Natalie's idea :cool:

[grdawg]

I know from past seasons that you can give it to someone before tribal or after the vote but I never realized you couldn't slip it off to someone if you didn't play it and got voted out. I just assumed nobody would want to do that except in this case where it is a loved one you are playing with.

[kingfc22]

I'm thinking Natalie wins tonight. Keith could have an outside shot as nobody really "dislikes" him compared to the other contestants left. Plus he's been surprisingly very strong in challenges.

[B & B]

im like 90% sure Nat wins. Ugh.


Keith simply cannot win. The dancing boyz wont go for him nor would Jeremy. His only sure vote would be his son who he got booted off himself.

[EagleFan]

I am so sick and tired of people using "this is what I have lived through in my life" stories for why they should win this game.

[EagleFan]

Is Alec stoned during this final tribal?

[Lathum]

Stupid for them to take Nat.

[EagleFan]

Stupid for them to take Nat.

If you go by the show of hands, it wouldn't have mattered which one they took.

[larrymcg421]

That move at Final 5 was awesome!

[larrymcg421]

If you go by the show of hands, it wouldn't have mattered which one they took.

Jeff always does that, but I never trust it because we don't know how tribal council would've gone with a different configuration.

[Suicane75]

In my heart of hearts, I believe the winner was Keith or Nat, who it was wouldn't have mattered.

[Lathum]

Final tribal has almost gotten unwatchable. No one askes questions anymore, they all use it as one final soapbox, or to announce who they are voting for.

It has become utterly pointless.

[heybrad]

So the next season is Survivor Class Warfare?

[Kodos]

The no collars will get slaughtered.

[korme]

Is Alec stoned during this final tribal?

Every tribal he hung his mouth open looking like a dumb ass.

[korme]

Final tribal has almost gotten unwatchable. No one askes questions anymore, they all use it as one final soapbox, or to announce who they are voting for.

It has become utterly pointless.

Reed's soliloquy was pretty good.

[Maple Leafs]

I have to say, Nat's whole "These two made a big mistake by not voting for me last time, they should have gotten rid of me instead of Keith" jury line was kind of brilliant. In one sentence you manage to pump your own tires, accuse both opponents of being too dumb to make smart moves, and butter up one bitter jury member. That should become a standard play.

[Draft Dodger]

Natalie's play over the last few moves were brilliant, and really about the only saving grace of a rather poor season. I didn't see the idol play coming at all.

and all four of us laughed hysterically every time Alec was on camera.

[Autumn]

Alec is the definition of a mouth breather. Now i understand that term.

Wes playing with his tongue while staring dumbly listening to the answers to his tribal questions was disturbing. Keith was about 1000x more likable than that turd.

So dumb to bring Natalie to the end. All you've done is added to her ammunition as now she can say "I wouldn't have brought me, I'm a better player." Once you get to the final four, stop being nice and play for the bucks, jeez.

That was the worst round of "questions" I've ever heard. So lame. Reed was at least entertaining, but it also felt out of nowhere. That's really what had been bothering him all this time?

Natalie played a great game. I commented often early on that she was doing a good job staying out of the limelight. She did that, but then switched into high gear when it counted, which a lot of people don't do. She definitely deserved the win.

I always love seeing people at the reunion and seeing how their look changed. I was shocked by Jaclyn, who I didn't even recognize with all the makeup. And she didn't look better, she just became very generic. Wes on the other hand, that bowl cut was not looking good.

[Ironhead]

Alec is the definition of a mouth breather. Now i understand that term.

Wes playing with his tongue while staring dumbly listening to the answers to his tribal questions was disturbing. Keith was about 1000x more likable than that turd.

So dumb to bring Natalie to the end. All you've done is added to her ammunition as now she can say "I wouldn't have brought me, I'm a better player." Once you get to the final four, stop being nice and play for the bucks, jeez.

That was the worst round of "questions" I've ever heard. So lame. Reed was at least entertaining, but it also felt out of nowhere. That's really what had been bothering him all this time?

Natalie played a great game. I commented often early on that she was doing a good job staying out of the limelight. She did that, but then switched into high gear when it counted, which a lot of people don't do. She definitely deserved the win.

I always love seeing people at the reunion and seeing how their look changed. I was shocked by Jaclyn, who I didn't even recognize with all the makeup. And she didn't look better, she just became very generic. Wes on the other hand, that bowl cut was not looking good.

Agree with a lot of this but I wouldn't say Reed's tribal council speech was out of nowhere. I would say I was surprised he did it. But at the same time he was shown clashing with Missy & Baylor in the game when he called Baylor a brat and then got into it with Missy. The Ponderosa video after Baylor's boot also gives the strong sense that folks were not excited to see Baylor. Spending 30+ days on an island with people and then not even getting so much as a "Hello" when you show up must speak in some part to how Missy & Baylor were interacting with people.

[Autumn]

Yeah, I remember he had that clash with Missy, but it hadn't seemed like a running theme in what we saw on the show, so it seemed odd it was still bugging him enough to make a whole speech. I mean there were plenty of annoying people, surprised he was fixated on just one!

[Draft Dodger]

Wes playing with his tongue while staring dumbly listening to the answers to his tribal questions was disturbing. Keith was about 1000x more likable than that turd.


and Wes was the one they picked for the show. He was going to bring his brother but they already had a sibling thing so they asked him to bring his dad instead (and as you probably guessed, Keith wasn't super familiar with the show)