Pre-season weight training

[AlexB]

Been meaning to ask this since FOF7 was released: is it intentional or a bug that you only seem to be able to get players to bulk up / trim down once?

Means that if you have an undersized player he will always be undersized if multiple bulking up is no longer possible.

[corbes]

If a player can't trim down or bulk up, the corresponding buttons will be disabled.

many lighter players are as bulked up as they can get and many heavy players can't slim down

It's intentional. Ben had a better explanation somewhere but I can't find it, these were two snippets from Jim that I found.

[aston217]

Actually, the idea is that a player who has played football all of his life and has made it to the highest level with higher-than-average or lower-than-average weight simply isn't going to be able to be an NFL-caliber player if he gains/loses to get to "optimal" weight. Recall that in all of the furor around Michael Sam being a 'tweener, no one suggested "no problem...he just needs to hit the weight room a little harder and gain 8-10 pounds and he'll be fine!" It just doesn't happen.

From the CyFL forums recently.

[AlexB]

To be fair that does make sense

[stevew]

I drafted a really nice WLB prospect for the 3/4 and didn't realize he was only 210ish lbs. I wish I would have kept a save file to see how he'd have done as that. After not being able to bulk him up I just turned him into a SS and after a few years he really turned into an above average(roughly 57/57)12 year starter.

Wish I would have seen what kind of damage he could do as a 3/4 WLB though.

[revrew]

I drafted a really nice WLB prospect for the 3/4 and didn't realize he was only 210ish lbs. I wish I would have kept a save file to see how he'd have done as that. After not being able to bulk him up I just turned him into a SS and after a few years he really turned into an above average(roughly 57/57)12 year starter.

Wish I would have seen what kind of damage he could do as a 3/4 WLB though.

Why bother? My understanding is that the bulk/up down isn't nearly as important for a player's current position as it is for a position change.

SO, if I have a 212-pound DT, better to leave him at DT than to try to move him to DE (where he would be too light to make the transition). He'll actually do better at DT (because that's his given position) than DE, despite his weight liability, because the transition would kill him.

In the specific case of your 210-lb LB who can't bulk up, moving him to ILB would be disastrous, but leaving him at WLB is an OK option, because that's his given position. (The safety switch is sensible, too).

Thoughts from others on this?

[aston217]

Well, if you have a 212-lb DT, yes, but your only options for moving would probably be safety and corner. If he's 275 lbs, he could probably move to DE as a rookie with little to no penalty.

A 210-lb LB I don't think would be allowed to move to another LB position -- even from SLB to WLB. They have to be at least 220 lbs. At 220 lbs, even if he's underweight for the position, I believe he will gain ratings moving from ILB to OLB. (An OLB might have to be more than 220 lbs to be allowed to move inside).

Not totally positive. But yeah, you could just leave him at his original position. Position change ratings loss is determined by weight.

[stevew]

His PR bars were ok to good, but he looked more like an SLB or an SILB to me. Not being able to move him inside really hurt. Plus we had a dearth of safety talent in the league so that was a pretty large motivation for me.

[Pyser]

ive been able to make a player lose weight twice. i had a rb lose weight, then moved him to wr. then next year i trimmed him down some more. he cracked 1k yards this year, so seems to have worked in FOOL.