Werewolf CLXVI - The Drenai Saga (GAME OVER - VILLAGE WINS!)

[The Jackal]

This game will be based on the world created by David Gemmell and his books known as the Drenai Saga (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drenai_Series). There will be some mild spoilers just in terms of flavor and what kind of characters there are, but I'll also be taking liberties to fit the game mechanics.

It will be a fairly straightforward game although I'm still fleshing it out.

More info as I have time to put it together at work! We can try to aim for a Monday (3/9) start, depending on interest.

RULES

One Deadline - 10PM EST

No editing of posts

No lynch is not an option

No posting after deadline until results have been announced. Votes at 10:00 will count, votes at 10:01 will not.

The result of a tie is unknown

Post your votes and unvotes in bold, like this:

vote jackal
unvote jackal

The village wins when all wolves have been eliminated.

The wolves win when they have reached even odds with the village (and Druss must be dead).

[The Jackal]

Possible Roles (some may not be included):

Druss, the Legend - Bodyguard (can protect one person each night from attack), but will fail trying to protect Rowena. Village cannot lose at even numbers if he is alive. Cannot be night killed.

Rowena - Seer (can scan one person each night to see if they are good or evil). If she scans Druss they will gain PM abilities, but not if he has revealed himself prior to the scan in thread.

Sieben, the Saga Master - Duke (one time ability to change the lynch vote)

Dardalion - If Druss dies, gains a one-time bodyguard action. If Rowena dies, gains a one-time seer action. Can only get one of these, from whomever dies first.

Bison - Has a one-time bodyguard action. If it is successful, gets a second. Two is the max.

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Snaga - Gains brutal if Druss dies.

The Old Woman - Cunning (will scan as good if viewed by the seer). If Nosta Khan dies first, gains his ability to kill Druss when known, but cannot scan for him.

Nosta Khan - Can scan for Druss. Once Druss is known, has a way of killing him.

Entukku - Once per game can initiate a double lynch, where the winning vote getter and a random vote getter from that day both get lynched.

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Waylander the Slayer - Has the ability for a one-time kill that will work on anyone. Counts as a villager in the numbers.

[The Jackal]

Signup list:

I. timmae - common soldier - killed night 2
II. Grover
III. EagleFan - Druss, the Legend - poisoned day 4
IV. Narcizo - common soldier - killed night 1
V. JAG
VI. path12
VII. GoldenEagle - common soldier - lynched day 1
VIII. britrock88
IX. HomerSimpson98
X. Chief Rum - Snaga - assassinated by Waylander day 4
XI. fontisian
XII. cheekimonk - The Old Woman - lynched day 3
XIII. Zinto - common soldier - killed night 3
XIV. Raven - common soldier - lynched day 2
XV. Suicane75
XVI. saldana - Nosta Khan - lynched day 4

[timmae]

First in!

[Shoveler]

I'll have to observe this one.. I'll be out of town Weds-Sun that week.

[Grover]

IN!

[EagleFan]

I'll join, do I need to know much about that book?

[The Jackal]

I'll join, do I need to know much about that book?

Nope. It's a series of ten books that I'm just going to be pulling characters from that fit with traditional WW roles. With a few twists here and there. :devil:

[EagleFan]

Why do I have a feeling Jackal is going to Bull Moose Special me on day one. :)

[timmae]

Try first minute... how crazy awesome would that be :)

[Narcizo]

Write me up.

[JAG]

Sure, let's keep it rolling.

[path12]

Why not. In.

[GoldenEagle]

I will play. I think a rather vanilla WW game is best though to help with some of our newer players.

[The Jackal]

I will play. I think a rather vanilla WW game is best though to help with some of our newer players.

It will be fairly vanilla. Standard roles, explanation of abilities, just lynches every day.

[Shoveler]

I did some checking and apparently there is wi-fi in the casino we are staying at near lake winnipeg.

I wouldn't be able to contribute at all during the day while we are ice fishing, I'm not going to pay for international data rates, but I could get online in the morning/evening.

I'll leave this up to Jackal, if you need another player put me in, if not I'll just sit this one out.

[The Jackal]

Ice fishing sounds fun. We'll see how signups go!

[Grover]

I wouldn't be able to contribute at all during the day while we are ice fishing, I'm not going to pay for international data rates, but I could get online in the morning/evening.


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[EagleFan]

Ice fishing sounds fun.

No, no it doesn't... NO MORE ICE!!!! ;)

[Shoveler]

that fish is to small. we wouldn't be going up there every year if it wasn't for the huge ass walleyes. generally anyone that is even remotely interested in fishing will pull a 7-9 lb walleye out of the ice. Some get lucky and land a huge one, but those are rare.

[The Jackal]

I had some ideas for Waylander and others that are more complex but I think I'll shelve them for this incarnation of the game. So it'll be clearly outlined - no conversions, no bull moose specials. Next time though..

[timmae]

based on actions in the last game shoveler may find himself down the hole instead of walleye coming up through... ;) And you're staying in a casino? For shame... (Yay for us though!).

[Shoveler]

based on actions in the last game shoveler may find himself down the hole instead of walleye coming up through... ;) And you're staying in a casino? For shame... (Yay for us though!).

We stay there simply because there is no other place that can hold all the people that are going on this trip. The only other large enough hotels would make our commute to the lake very long each day.

It's not like I'm going up there to gamble. Hell you have to gamble with that funny money they use up there with the pictures of pirates on it.

[EagleFan]

Hell you have to gamble with that funny money they use up there with the pictures of pirates on it.

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[britrock88]

in for momentum

[HomerSimpson98]

been lurking on the revival thread and it seems like a hoot. This newbie would like to give it a shot.

[Chief Rum]

Inyo County is a county in California.

[fontisian]

In.

[cheekimonk]

I'm a newb, referred by timmae, and I'd like to be in on this one.

[timmae]

Ben!! So awesome!!

[The Jackal]

I'm a newb, referred by timmae, and I'd like to be in on this one.

Welcome!

[The Jackal]

been lurking on the revival thread and it seems like a hoot. This newbie would like to give it a shot.

Glad to have you aboard as well

[Autumn]

I almost never miss a WW game, but will be gone for ten days during this one. Glad to see it filling up though, this is awesome.

[Grover]

I am still a new face at this, but it is pretty awesome that two more guys have signed up for their first game!

Renaissance!

[saldana]

when are you looking to start Jackal?

[JAG]

Welcome to the new folks, great to get some more new blood in here.

[Zinto]

I will join

[The Jackal]

when are you looking to start Jackal?

Probably Monday, if that works for everyone!

[Raven]

I'd like to play, but these are pretty time intensive, so I'll need to sit one out to rest up my brain.

[Autumn]

Raven, I remember thinking that after my first game, and I didn't play again for a few months. But I think I did the same thing you did, which is start out on a really complex, unusual game. A normal game doesn't require nearly as much headspace.

[britrock88]

Raven, I remember thinking that after my first game, and I didn't play again for a few months. But I think I did the same thing you did, which is start out on a really complex, unusual game. A normal game doesn't require nearly as much headspace.

I'll second this. Most of what you typically have to keep up with is the way you feel about people's tone, role claims, vote history, and people's relationships within the group. It's not all that bad compared to the WW+RPG-type games like the one we're just finishing up.

[The Jackal]

Yeah, I can promise this one will be much less time-intensive. Just lynches, night kills, vote analysis, and figuring out who's lying, if anyone.

Anyone who's expecting to have choices every day or roles to fight for after EF's game might be disappointed if they end up as a "vanilla" villager. But those are often the most fun to play since you aren't being overly cautious as a wolf or mulling over who to protect/duke/scan/etc.

[Poli]

Good luck on this!

[path12]

Yeah, I can promise this one will be much less time-intensive. Just lynches, night kills, vote analysis, and figuring out who's lying, if anyone.

Anyone who's expecting to have choices every day or roles to fight for after EF's game might be disappointed if they end up as a "vanilla" villager. But those are often the most fun to play since you aren't being overly cautious as a wolf or mulling over who to protect/duke/scan/etc.

agree, I have the most fun being vanilla.

[timmae]

Ready to roll on my second game... I promise I won't hold a grudge based on the last one! :)

[Shoveler]

Not sure if Thomkal will have made a decision in the last game before this one starts.

[Grover]

Not sure if Thomkal will have made a decision in the last game before this one starts.

Heh.

[Raven]

ok screw it, sign me up

[timmae]

ok screw it, sign me up

Heck yes man!!

[Suicane75]

I'm in if there's room.

[The Jackal]

I'm in if there's room.

There's no limit!

[The Jackal]

I'll leave signups open until Sunday and then probably send out roles Sunday night when I get back from hockey with D1 starting Monday.

[Autumn]

ok screw it, sign me up

Coercing people to make bad decisions, it's my thing!

[JAG]

Coercing people to make bad decisions, it's my thing!

It's impressive you're doing it without being in the game though.

[Autumn]

I'm the meta wolf.

[saldana]

i suppose i will play again

[Autumn]

i suppose i will play again

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[Zinto]

Are we starting tomorrow?

[timmae]

I am ready... I am traveling later in the week but will be able to check in every few hours. Super excited to start!

[Shoveler]

I am ready... I am traveling later in the week but will be able to check in every few hours. Super excited to start!

Just realized we are both in the FFL league. Saw you in there when I was checking to see if today's game was ready. I see you are actually fighting for a playoff spot while I am fighting for a top 5 draft position.

[timmae]

Just realized we are both in the FFL league. Saw you in there when I was checking to see if today's game was ready. I see you are actually fighting for a playoff spot while I am fighting for a top 5 draft position.

Lol, what team are you?! I won a big game last week.. It will be a tough fight. My defense has actually come around the last few weeks... I think shark is in a few leagues also.

[Shoveler]

Lol, what team are you?! I won a big game last week.. It will be a tough fight. My defense has actually come around the last few weeks... I think shark is in a few leagues also.

I'm Houston.. Just joined at the beginning of this season. I'm terrible at setting up my defense, but learning as I go.

[EagleFan]

Are we starting tomorrow?

vote Zinto

So obviously a wolf with a question like that.

:devil:



(just practicing)

[timmae]

vote Zinto

So obviously a wolf with a question like that.

:devil:



(just practicing)

Lol, I will not be voting EF for lunch day 1. After that... :)

[timmae]

I'm Houston.. Just joined at the beginning of this season. I'm terrible at setting up my defense, but learning as I go.

It is a process ... No doubt!

[The Jackal]

Are we starting tomorrow?

Yes, finalizing game and assigning roles now. Please no posting until game starts.

[The Jackal]

Roles starting to go out, vanilla villager PM:

You are a common soldier at Dros Jackal, a fortress on the border between the lands of the Drenai and the lands of the Nadir.

[The Jackal]

Received this question and thought it relevant to everyone:

Waylander does have a minor victory condition but his main victory is with the village.

[The Jackal]

The setting: Dros Jackal. A rampaging Nadir army is approaching the gates and a lengthy siege is on the horizon. Not a problem for you - Druss is with you and he cannot be beaten.

One day you all wake up and something is wrong - no longer can you tell the difference between each other. You all look.. the same. Dark magic is afoot. You find a dead soldier with five knives sticking in his back - he had a similar build to Druss but death has removed the mask of sorcery and you are relieved to see that it is not Druss.

You know there is evil amongst you and it is up to you to figure out who the perpetrators are.

[The Jackal]

The game has begun, post away! Day/night one deadline will be tomorrow at 10PM EST.

[EagleFan]

Common soldier checking in.

[EagleFan]

I return to work tomorrow so I may not be available much during the day and am about to go try to get some sleep (tomorrow is going to suck when the afternoon gets here and I can't take my afternoon nap.... I guess that ties into another thread, I guess I am old),

[timmae]

Common soldier checking in.

You'd be getting my vote if I didn't already say I was giving you a 1 day "no vote" to say "thanks" for the last game. Why did I say that again?!!

[path12]

Checking in. I'm west coast and my weeks are frontloaded but will be around when I can.

[Narcizo]

Ok. So only a 5 hour or so wait until JAG briefly shows up. Let's go through the usual bumpf that everyone has to say at the start. The most important thing is that people are as active as their schedule will allow them. But, for why you ask;
1) A quiet village is a dead village. If there isn't an atmosphere where everyone talks then its easy for the wolves to slide through with no risk of slipping up or giving an impression of wolviness. It creates less pressure on the wolfs.
2) Far more importantly, the game is more fun for everyone if there's a lot of discussion.

Discussion on day one of a simple game is, admittedly, hard to get going but it can be done. (well, by you guys, its a lot harder for me to have a discussion). Day one votes are a crap-shoot but they're a necessary crap-shoot. Lynching's our main weapon in finding the baddies. Ideally you want a three/four horse race towards the end and a bit of vote movement is always nice to see. Admittedly making it a three/four horse race makes it easier for the wolfies to save a team member but that can be vital information later on. So vote early and vote often.

[Narcizo]

Vote Britrock

Like this. That's for making me look stupid (...er than usual) in the last game with your insane "saving a fellow wolf with a last second switch" shenanigans.

[Narcizo]

What's left? Oh yeah. Number of wolves. Meh! I'd guess 3 and a half with 16 people. As I don't see any cultist or sorceroresque roles I guess that means there's 4 pretty vanilla wolves, or a ramped up village OR 3 roled-up wolves with a fairly vanilla village. But I believe I'm normally a bit harsher on the wolfies then is the norm around these parts.

Just had a quick peruse of the roles and see that Druss is pretty insanely powered-up so I'd probably lean towards there being 4 wolves.

[Zinto]

What's left? Oh yeah. Number of wolves. Meh! I'd guess 3 and a half with 16 people. As I don't see any cultist or sorceroresque roles I guess that means there's 4 pretty vanilla wolves, or a ramped up village OR 3 roled-up wolves with a fairly vanilla village. But I believe I'm normally a bit harsher on the wolfies then is the norm around these parts.

Just had a quick peruse of the roles and see that Druss is pretty insanely powered-up so I'd probably lean towards there being 4 wolves.


I am thinking three wolves. The seer can't be protected when they reveal which I think counters Druss being pretty strong. If we do have four wolves we don't have many days to get this wrong. A few bad lynches and it will be game over.

[Zinto]

I agree with Narc. Stay as active as you can. It was really awesome last game to see our newbies come out of the gate being extremely active and I hope it continue with this one.

[Zinto]

Hey GE thanks for being a member of the other wolf team and killing Suicane last game. It made my life more difficult.

Vote Golden Eagle

[JAG]

Darn you Narc, that was gonna be my vote.

For the newer players (and everyone), I recommend voting early as it gives us something to talk about Day 1 and forces wolves to take a stand when they may not yet be coordinated.

Vote saldana

[EagleFan]

Getting an early vote in, subject to change later. For going meta-gamey last game...

vote Zinto

[cheekimonk]

It was really awesome last game to see our newbies come out of the gate being extremely active and I hope it continue with this one.

Newb checking in. Should have time to be fairly active, but being a newb I don't know if that's good or bad.

(Reminds me of our high school football coach who gave a quote to the local paper that was previewing our upcoming season, "Unfortunately, all of our defensive starters are back.")

[Narcizo]

Tally, to help out Jackal

1 Britrock - Narcizo (76)
1 GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 Saldana - JAG (81)
1 Zinto - EagleFan (82)

To Vote: timmae, Grover, path12, GoldenEagle, britrock88, HomerSimpson98, Chief Rum, fontisian, cheekimonk, Raven, Suicane75, saldana

[Narcizo]

Newb checking in. Should have time to be fairly active, but being a newb I don't know if that's good or bad.

(Reminds me of our high school football coach who gave a quote to the local paper that was previewing our upcoming season, "Unfortunately, all of our defensive starters are back.")

:D

Active is always good.

[Narcizo]

For going meta-gamey last game...


Who says Americans don't get irony. :)

[Grover]

Because he was right about me being a psychopathic murderer in the last game...

vote Shoveler

(no hard feelings though)

[timmae]

Well, he fooled me last game..

vote grover

Appreciate the thoughts regarding how many wolfies there may be.. Makes my notes a little clearer. It should be an interesting start to this one as we don't have work to do in order to ease into things. Also about 24 hours from start to first lynch.

[timmae]

---waves to grover---

[Grover]

---waves to grover---

Hiiii!

[Shoveler]

Because he was right about me being a psychopathic murderer in the last game...

vote Shoveler

(no hard feelings though)

No hard feelings from me.. But I'm not in the game so you might find lynching me to be tough. I'm just watching this one.

[Grover]

No hard feelings from me.. But I'm not in the game so you might find lynching me to be tough. I'm just watching this one.

Dammit.

[Grover]

unvote Shoveler

Apparently he does not exist.

[timmae]

Darn... who's the thug then?

---looks around the room to see who looks like a late '80's pro wrestler/bounty hunter---

[Narcizo]

Have to admit that I didn't react to the vote either. I think you should vote him anyway.

[Grover]

VOTE Suicane75

Because he writes entertaining movie reviews.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

1 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1 - Grover - timmae (88)
1 - Suicane75 - Grover (96)

[Narcizo]

VIII. britrock88
IX. HomerSimpson98
XV. Suicane75

Just noticed something here. If these people all have their year of birth in their user name then that means that Path12 is either

a) 2-3 years old, or
b) a time traveller

[Narcizo]

Or the likeliest

c) 102-3 years old.

[Chief Rum]

Hey sexy people!

I was killed way too early on Mars. And then I got too busy to read back and find out who killed me. So I don't know who is responsible for my death.

But whoever you are, I have a particular set of skills. I will find you. And I will vote to kill you...someday. But not today.

[Chief Rum]

Since I don't know who killed me, I will instead vote for a friend who is no longer a newb.

Vote Raven

[cheekimonk]

No hard feelings from me.. But I'm not in the game so you might find lynching me to be tough. I'm just watching this one.

Don't go confusing me so early! Here I was thinking that's just the way it's done around here...drag someone into the game whether they want to or not.

[cheekimonk]

Hey sexy people!

I was killed way too early on Mars. And then I got too busy to read back and find out who killed me. So I don't know who is responsible for my death.

But whoever you are, I have a particular set of skills. I will find you. And I will vote to kill you...someday. But not today.

Lots of grudges on here. :devil:

[Grover]

Don't go confusing me so early! Here I was thinking that's just the way it's done around here...drag someone into the game whether they want to or not.

I'm cool with this.

Everyone vote for Shoveler so he has to play!

[Grover]

Hey sexy people!



Don't come on this forum and insult me.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

1 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1 - Grover - timmae (88)
1 - Suicane75 - Grover (96)
1- Raven - Chief Rum (101)

[Raven]

Chief, I didn't kill you last game. I was just a lowly farmer!
You were killed by The Resistance, so were killed by either suicane, Zinto, or fontisian.

[Raven]

I flipped a coin and it landed...


vote suicane

[GoldenEagle]

Vote Britrock

Like this. That's for making me look stupid (...er than usual) in the last game with your insane "saving a fellow wolf with a last second switch" shenanigans.

LOL, I got a crack out of that. I was involved in the PM conversation for that and it never came up that switching at the last second would make him look less wolf-y. It just sort of happened.

[GoldenEagle]

Also, vanilla villager checking in.

[cheekimonk]

Also, vanilla villager checking in.

I've lodged a complaint about us all being "vanilla" villagers.

[cheekimonk]

Oh, and timmae invited me and is quieter than I've known him to be...not sure what that means, but...

vote timmae

[Narcizo]

I flipped a coin and it landed...


vote suicane

A 16-sided coin?

[Chief Rum]

I've lodged a complaint about us all being "vanilla" villagers.

Haha it's kinda tongue in cheek. We all do it. We all know some of us are lying. And some of us aren't.

[Chief Rum]

A 16-sided coin?

He could flip a coin five times to get someone if he really wanted.

[Chief Rum]

Chief, I didn't kill you last game. I was just a lowly farmer!
You were killed by The Resistance, so were killed by either suicane, Zinto, or fontisian.

Heh... all right, then, I will keep my eye on them.

[HomerSimpson98]

VIII. britrock88
IX. HomerSimpson98
XV. Suicane75

Just noticed something here. If these people all have their year of birth in their user name then that means that Path12 is either

a) 2-3 years old, or
b) a time traveller


Wholly crap I wish. That would mean I would get to go through male chauvinistic pig and party mode again - pre wife.

First time newb checking in and getting caught up!

[Grover]

I would like to be considered a French Vanilla villager. Slightly classier than the rest of you lot.

[cheekimonk]

Haha it's kinda tongue in cheek. We all do it. We all know some of us are lying. And some of us aren't.

I'm just saying, what's wrong with "chocolate"? Or "strawberry"? "Lemon"?

[Chief Rum]

I'm just saying, what's wrong with "chocolate"? Or "strawberry"? "Lemon"?

That seems very wolfie, rook!

[timmae]

I flipped a coin and it landed...


vote suicane

Who was the other choice? :cool:

[timmae]

Oh, and timmae invited me and is quieter than I've known him to be...not sure what that means, but...

vote timmae

Hey! Who invited this kid??? I was trying to work on PP totals but then actual work got in the way... Post count going up pronto!!

[Suicane75]

I would like to be considered a French Vanilla villager. Slightly classier than the rest of you lot.

Frenchmen die at my hand. Also cause you voted for me.

Vote: Grover

[britrock88]

Haldo!

[britrock88]

Lol, I will not be voting EF for lunch day 1. After that... :)

Aren't eagles still protected under federal law??? :eek:

[britrock88]

Vote Britrock

Like this. That's for making me look stupid (...er than usual) in the last game with your insane "saving a fellow wolf with a last second switch" shenanigans.

LOL, I got a crack out of that. I was involved in the PM conversation for that and it never came up that switching at the last second would make him look less wolf-y. It just sort of happened.

Yeah... I wouldn't call that a good play in an ordinary context, GE. It was just one that was crazy enough to work. :)

[britrock88]

I am thinking three wolves. The seer can't be protected when they reveal which I think counters Druss being pretty strong. If we do have four wolves we don't have many days to get this wrong. A few bad lynches and it will be game over.

I laugh when I think about other WW forums and how they consider this kind of talk to be wolfy. Is this on the list?

[britrock88]

Darn you Narc, that was gonna be my vote.

For the newer players (and everyone), I recommend voting early as it gives us something to talk about Day 1 and forces wolves to take a stand when they may not yet be coordinated.

Vote saldana

Feel the love!

Vote JAG

[GoldenEagle]

Yeah... I wouldn't call that a good play in an ordinary context, GE. It was just one that was crazy enough to work. :)

And Narcizo fell for it hard!

THERE IS NO WAY HE IS A WOLF!! :lol:

[britrock88]

I've lodged a complaint about us all being "vanilla" villagers.

Up to 10 special roles for the 16 of us... but I'd bet on there being 7-8, leaving 8-9 villagers. Then their makeup would be:

6-7 vanilla
1 chocolate
1 lemon

[britrock88]

And Narcizo fell for it hard!

THERE IS NO WAY HE IS A WOLF!! :lol:

I was SO looking forward to the late-game showdown. "Guys, what kind of wolf would make a play that obvious? If you really think I'm a wolf, scan me!" (Love the cunning ability...) :D

[path12]

Or the likeliest

c) 102-3 years old.

I would way prefer time traveler but this is closest. :(

[Grover]

Frenchmen die at my hand. Also cause you voted for me.

Vote: Grover

But I like your reviews!

We're just randomly throwing names to vote for people out there and you choose to create a reason!

Waaah.

[path12]

OK, little flurry there. I show it now as:

Vote Count:

2 - Grover - timmae (88), Suicane75 (123)
2 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108)
1 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1- Raven - Chief Rum (101)
1 - timmae - cheekimonk (112)
1 - JAG - britrock88 (128)

Let's tighten it up a little bit:

VOTE BRITROCK88

Because he was next on that list. Day 1.

[HomerSimpson98]

Damn, so day one is just basically a "f you for last game" kind of vote??

[Chief Rum]

Damn, so day one is just basically a "f you for last game" kind of vote??

Look at the bright side. You're in the clear.

[Grover]

Damn, so day one is just basically a "f you for last game" kind of vote??

This is only my second game, but it certainly appears that way.

But all in good fun!

[Chief Rum]

Damn, so day one is just basically a "f you for last game" kind of vote??

BTW, it's really just a talking point to get voting going.

The fact is, very few of us know anything about what's going on on Day One. It's the most worthless vote of any game. But a vote still needs to be made.

So we vote, often for trumped up reasons. The last game. Player history. Just for fun. Some random post. Whatever.

Once things get rolling, though, you will see some votes start to consolidate, and usually everyone ends up on two or three or four candidates.

The Day One lynch is often very random, and it's rare for a wolf to get caught in it, unless they are unfortunate or they play a little dumb. But it is surprising to see how many Day One voting trends get uncovered as the wolves and good guys are revealed later in the game. So it's still a useful, if likely futile exercise.

[HomerSimpson98]

Roger that - thanks. Totally blows it has to be done but I am going to wait and just punish the poor bastard who doesn't post or check in by the time I vote :)

[Suicane75]

But I like your reviews!

We're just randomly throwing names to vote for people out there and you choose to create a reason!

Waaah.

In the real world I'd challenge you to a dance off, but on the mean streets of wherever this is, I can only throw a vote at you.

[Grover]

OK, little flurry there. I show it now as:

Vote Count:

2 - Grover - timmae (88), Suicane75 (123)
2 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108)
1 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1- Raven - Chief Rum (101)
1 - timmae - cheekimonk (112)
1 - JAG - britrock88 (128)

Let's tighten it up a little bit:

VOTE BRITROCK88

Because he was next on that list. Day 1.

Are you trying to convince people to vote for me by puting my name at the top of this list ahead of Suicane?

CONSPIRACY!

[path12]

Are you trying to convince people to vote for me by puting my name at the top of this list ahead of Suicane?

CONSPIRACY!

Ah, but I did NOT vote for you. So conspiracy or super duper clever misdirection?

[Suicane75]

Vote Count
2 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76), (path12) (134)
2 - Grover - timmae (88), Suicane75 (123)
2 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1- Raven - Chief Rum (101)
1 - timmae - cheekimonk (112)
1 - JAG - britrock88 (128)

There ya go Grover.

[Grover]

Vote Count
2 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76), (path12) (134)
2 - Grover - timmae (88), Suicane75 (123)
2 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1- Raven - Chief Rum (101)
1 - timmae - cheekimonk (112)
1 - JAG - britrock88 (128)

There ya go Grover.

<3.

[fontisian]

Hey sexy people!

I was killed way too early on Mars. And then I got too busy to read back and find out who killed me. So I don't know who is responsible for my death.

But whoever you are, I have a particular set of skills. I will find you. And I will vote to kill you...someday. But not today.
I didn't physically do it, but the whole "murder all the medics" was absolutely my plan. :)

Vote: Raven
This is not a drill.

[Raven]

You were killed by The Resistance, so were killed by either suicane, Zinto, or fontisian.


Vote: Raven


Is this your way of saying snitches get stitches?

[fontisian]

This my way of saying that you over explained your RVS vote (... and also that snitches thing).

[Raven]

what is a RVS vote?

[fontisian]

RVS: Random Voting Stage
A fairly common way to open games that aren't mechanically intensive.

[path12]

Hi font! Been awhile.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

2 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108)
2 - Grover - timmae (88), Suicane75 (123)
2 - britrock88 - Narcizo (76), path12 (134)
2 - Raven - Chief Rum (101), fontisian (145)
1 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80)
1 - saldana - JAG (81)
1 - Zinto - EagleFan (82)
1 - timmae - cheekimonk (112)
1 - JAG - britrock88 (128)

[britrock88]

But guyyyyyyyys...

Didn't I mention that I'm the seer and that timmae's a wolf? :D

unvote JAG
vote timmae

[Narcizo]

Yeah... I wouldn't call that a good play in an ordinary context, GE. It was just one that was crazy enough to work. :)

And Narcizo fell for it hard!

THERE IS NO WAY HE IS A WOLF!! :lol:

Only if it was a move designed to sacrifice Brit to save DanG. Because I was going to be voting Brit until he or I died. It was the only wolfy thing I could pick up on all game. And then others could decide that DanG was a wolf.

Of course the multiple killings flying left, right and centre made it all redundant.

[britrock88]

Only if it was a move designed to sacrifice Brit to save DanG. Because I was going to be voting Brit until he or I died. It was the only wolfy thing I could pick up on all game. And then others could decide that DanG was a wolf.

Of course the multiple killings flying left, right and centre made it all redundant.

True. And I was willing to draw heat in that situation to hopefully draw a negative scan. And Thomkal had my back at the time (poor guy).

[Narcizo]

Roger that - thanks. Totally blows it has to be done but I am going to wait and just punish the poor bastard who doesn't post or check in by the time I vote :)

Seriously I don't think we want to risk voting no-shows on day one when there's a mega village role out there. Trust the GM to replace no-shows. People who check in but don't post anything, on the other hand....

[fontisian]

Hi font! Been awhile.
Hey Path. How's life?

[path12]

Hey Path. How's life?

I truly enjoy everything about getting older except for that pesky thing of one's body turning slowly to bleargh. So....pretty good!

[Zinto]

I won't be voting for anyone who is playing in their second or first game today. I will wait until your third game before I drop the day one lynch vote on you.

[EagleFan]

I didn't physically do it, but the whole "murder all the medics" was absolutely my plan. :)


The irony wasn't lost when you got caught in an accident. :)

[EagleFan]

unvote Zinto

Someone is taking the lead with 3 votes soon, just not sure who.

[EagleFan]

vote Raven

[EagleFan]

Consider this the post that tells why I voted for Raven but it's day one so pick your own reasons and fill in the blanks. :)

[JAG]

Unvote saldana
Vote GoldenEagle

No special reason, other than not wanting to stay on a candidate with 1 vote at this point.

[JAG]

I truly enjoy everything about getting older except for that pesky thing of one's body turning slowly to bleargh. So....pretty good!

Truth.

[EagleFan]

Will be back on later. Took a break from work for a couple.

[Narcizo]

I've gotta go soon. For checking in, mocking me and then not voting I shall hit GoldenEagle with my voting stick. Seriously I think that kind of suggests unecessary care about where he's voting, which is fair enough most days but a bit untoward on day one. Of course there's about a zillion other things it could mean but then, the mocking me. Also, to move things along as I depart.

unvote Britrock
Vote GoldenEagle

[Grover]

Sticking with my vote, for better or worse. I've got my bowling league tonight so likely will not be back on (even if I'm forum lurking)

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

3 - Raven - Chief Rum (101), fontisian (145), EagleFan (161)
3 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), JAG (163), Narcizo (166)
2 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108)
2 - Grover - timmae (88), Suicane75 (123)
2 - timmae - cheekimonk (112), britrock88 (152)
1 - britrock88 - path12 (134)

[timmae]

But guyyyyyyyys...

Didn't I mention that I'm the seer and that timmae's a wolf? :D

unvote JAG
vote timmae

Well... hello brit! A false seer claim is your reason?! Nice...

Seriously I don't think we want to risk voting no-shows on day one when there's a mega village role out there. Trust the GM to replace no-shows. People who check in but don't post anything, on the other hand....

Very sound thinking... although I certainly want to hear more from everyone. I'll reread through the posts for tone and wolfiness and then adjust my vote. I'll be around tonight off and on.

[britrock88]

Sticking with my vote, for better or worse. I've got my bowling league tonight so likely will not be back on (even if I'm forum lurking)

Sometimes, I wonder whether nightfalls are reasonable for people who know they're going AFK...

[Grover]

Sometimes, I wonder whether nightfalls are reasonable for people who know they're going AFK...

I'll be lurking. I can update from my phone if I need to.

I'm expecting to only have to change my vote to save myself if it comes down to that.

[britrock88]

^ was post 100 since Jackal began D1. Hoping people will be around toward deadline so the game can truly get underway... :)

(I have curling, so I'll either go dark for the last few hours before deadline or hop on in the last hour.)

[britrock88]

I'll be lurking. I can update from my phone if I need to.

I'm expecting to only have to change my vote to save myself if it comes down to that.

All good. :) Just tossing out an idea.

[Chief Rum]

UNVOTE RAVEN
VOTE SUICANE75

I voted Raven because I know him but I don't want a new player out so early. Since momentum is building on Raven, I figure I'll switch over to Suicane.

[Chief Rum]

BTW, I am working at my night job, without Internet access, after around 7 p.m. EST/4 p.m. PDT.

[timmae]

Unvote saldana
Vote GoldenEagle

No special reason, other than not wanting to stay on a candidate with 1 vote at this point.

unvote Grover
vote JAG

More than enough time to adjust these votes yet... don't want a runaway train of votes for no reason.

[Suicane75]

Unvote: Grover
Vote: GoldenEagle

Just self preservation since I don't know if I'll be around at deadline. Stop voting for me though, I'm a good guy. I'm a good guy dammit.

[EagleFan]

Unvote Raven

Vote Grover

[JAG]

Very sound thinking... although I certainly want to hear more from everyone. I'll reread through the posts for tone and wolfiness and then adjust my vote. I'll be around tonight off and on.

Different people have different ideas about voting / not voting no-shows. There is a popular point of view that you don't vote them because they could have an important role and can't at least make a claim before you vote them out. My personal point of view is I am happy to vote those people out because they aren't being helpful by not being here by not having a record of posts / votes. It's also like saying youre here playing the game, so I will vote you out, but this other person who isn't playing won't get voted out.

[HomerSimpson98]

vote fontisian

Not comfortable with piling on anyone yet and wanted to go with someone who had no previous votes

[JAG]

unvote Grover
vote JAG

More than enough time to adjust these votes yet... don't want a runaway train of votes for no reason.

Can you explain what you're talkkng about here? The vote was 3-2-2-2-1-1 (I think, having some trouble following unvotes), I added from my one vote candidate to another with one, making a 5th candidate with 2 or more votes. I don't see a runaway train of any sort.

[timmae]

Can you explain what you're talkkng about here? The vote was 3-2-2-2-1-1 (I think, having some trouble following unvotes), I added from my one vote candidate to another with one, making a 5th candidate with 2 or more votes. I don't see a runaway train of any sort.

Didn't see the updated vote count... my mistake for thinking it was the lynch leader.

[timmae]

Didn't see the updated vote count... my mistake for thinking it was the lynch leader.

Well... narc and suicane jumped on so... I'll need to review this a bit more..

[EagleFan]

If Grover is a wolf I am looking in timmae's direction next. :)

[EagleFan]

Be back in a few. My wife just left the room WHILE talking to me. Have no idea where that conversation was headed. Have to go track her down on the other side of the house and hope I am not in trouble for something... not that I could ever be in trouble for something... :)

[GoldenEagle]

Heading out to s birthday dinner shortly, so need to vote soon. Anyone have an updated count?

[JAG]

If Grover is a wolf I am looking in timmae's direction next. :)

Not sure I get the connection. Not only did he vote Grover earlier (though admittedly he moved), rather than help him, he switched to a candidate with no votes (unless he missed that Brit switched off me).

[JAG]

Grover Raven font 1
timmae 2
suicane 3
GE 4

Is my quick count, not sure it's right though.

[JAG]

In case it's right:

Unvote GE
Vote font

Would like to give GE some options.

[GoldenEagle]

Vote suicane75

Obvious self preservation vote for now. Will check back in before leaving hopefully.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

4 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Raven (108), Chief Rum (174), GoldenEagle (190)
3 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177)
2 - timmae - cheekimonk (112), britrock88 (152)
2 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), JAG (189)
1 - britrock88 - path12 (134)
1 - Raven - fontisian (145)
1 - JAG - timmae (176)
1 - Grover - EagleFan (178)

[Raven]

unvote Suicane75
vote fontisian

[fontisian]

Vote suicane75

Obvious self preservation vote for now. Will check back in before leaving hopefully.
How exactly was that self-preservation?

[Zinto]

How exactly was that self-preservation?

I am pretty sure it is just a "I might not be back so I will put my vote on the next highest person" vote.

[Zinto]

I know I struggle with who I should vote for in those situations(Jag usually points it out when it doesn't make sense :))

[timmae]

Be back in a few. My wife just left the room WHILE talking to me. Have no idea where that conversation was headed. Have to go track her down on the other side of the house and hope I am not in trouble for something... not that I could ever be in trouble for something... :)

The real question we need to know... Is your wife more like Rowena or more like Old Woman?

[cheekimonk]

I like British Rock...

unvote timmae
vote britrock88

[timmae]

On my commute home soon... I will check in later this evening.

[fontisian]

I am pretty sure it is just a "I might not be back so I will put my vote on the next highest person" vote.
Is the concept of "let the person the question is addressed to answer first" that hard to understand?

[Zinto]

Is the concept of "let the person the question is addressed to answer first" that hard to understand?

To be fair GE said he might not be back. So I answered for him. Not really a big deal.

[EagleFan]

The real question we need to know... Is your wife more like Rowena or more like Old Woman?

lol, depends on what kind of mood she's in I guess.

[Zinto]

Also, we get caught up on votes not really being self preservation votes on day one all the time. When it ends up being because they don't think about the vote in the same way.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

3 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177)
3 - Suicane75 - Grover (96), Chief Rum (174), GoldenEagle (190)
3 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), JAG (189), Raven (192)
2 - britrock88 - path12 (134), cheekimonk (197)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)
1 - Raven - fontisian (145)
1 - JAG - timmae (176)
1 - Grover - EagleFan (178)

[path12]

So three with three now? I want a leader.

UNVOTE BRITROCK88
VOTE GOLDEN EAGLE

[EagleFan]

dola: but the good news is that I wasn't in hot water for not hearing her... and even more importantly I didn't accidentally agree to something that was going to cost me money (by just agreeing when not hearing her). So I call that a win. :D

[EagleFan]

Worst... dola... attempt.... EVER.....

[EagleFan]

unvote Grover

vote GoldenEagle

[Chief Rum]

Why are we having a run on a guy who said he won't be here? Not that that should protect him, but we could be risking a major role by going this route.

[Chief Rum]

Talking about GE, BTW.

[EagleFan]

Talking about GE, BTW.

Just trying to get a feel for a couple people. :)

[fontisian]

To be fair GE said he might not be back. So I answered for him. Not really a big deal.
No, it really is. When I ask someone a question, I want an answer from that person.

I am not moron. I understand how self-preservation works. There are also a number of strange factors that I want to know if he considered, because it helps me read him. You butting in gives him an answer he might not have thought of and lets him know what answers people find believable. Don't do it. Clear?

Also, Chief and Zinto, GE said he would likely check in before deadline. You're both overstating his level of absence.

[Grover]

This is an interesting movement and feels unfair to GE.

[Zinto]

No, it really is. When I ask someone a question, I want an answer from that person.

I am not moron. I understand how self-preservation works. There are also a number of strange factors that I want to know if he considered, because it helps me read him. You butting in gives him an answer he might not have thought of and lets him know what answers people find believable. Don't do it. Clear?

Also, Chief and Zinto, GE said he would likely check in before deadline. You're both overstating his level of absence.


I know you know what a self preservation vote is. And if I want to answer a question asked to someone else during the game I will. Because it is a game and it isn't a giant deal.

[Grover]

unvote Suicane75

Vote fontisian

[JAG]

I would be surprised if GE is a wolf the way this day has gone down. Something like 6/13ish people have voted for him?

[JAG]

Unvote font
Vote suicane

[fontisian]

I'm doing a quick unaligned pairs analysis and of the five pairs I've found so far, four of them are next to each other alphabetically. It's bizarre.

[Grover]

Unvote font
Vote suicane

Do you have a reason for the flip flop to cancel my vote out?

[fontisian]

JAG: GE/Chief Rum/Raven team. Thoughts?

[EagleFan]

I see potential Raven/GE/Suicane.

[JAG]

Do you have a reason for the flip flop to cancel my vote out?

Went for a GE voter in a safe middling spot for a wolf to throw in a vote.

[GoldenEagle]

How exactly was that self-preservation?

At the time, suicane and I were tied for first place or at least close to tied. He was the logical choice.

You criticize others for answering but it seems like you can't see the simple play.

[GoldenEagle]

unvote suicane75
Vote fontisian

Typing this from iPhone at dinner, so sorry if misspelled names

[fontisian]

I see potential Raven/GE/Suicane.
Did you see the way Chief ran away from the Raven lynch once it started to gain momentum?

At the time, suicane and I were tied for first place or at least close to tied. He was the logical choice.

You criticize others for answering but it seems like you can't see the simple play.
You had three votes, Suicane had three, timmae had 2 and I had two. There was no clear counterwagon to yours, yet you went for the easiest one without any thought or analysis. Why?

[JAG]

JAG: GE/Chief Rum/Raven team. Thoughts?

I don't think there's a prayer Chief is that obvious as a wolf. GE / Raven, no particular opinion.

[GoldenEagle]

Did you see the way Chief ran away from the Raven lynch once it started to gain momentum?


You had three votes, Suicane had three, timmae had 2 and I had two. There was no clear counterwagon to yours, yet you went for the easiest one without any thought or analysis. Why?

Yea since I can really get into deep analysis on day one about voting and other tendencies.

[fontisian]

I don't think there's a prayer Chief is that obvious as a wolf. GE / Raven, no particular opinion.
Why exactly are you going after Suicane?

[fontisian]

Yea since I can really get into deep analysis on day one about voting and other tendencies.
I'm not asking about "deep analysis," just a little bit of thought. You're in a game that revolves around the idea of figuring out other people's alignments, not defensively voting until the end of time.

[cheekimonk]

Wow! Things do heat up as the deadline approaches.

[GoldenEagle]

I'm not asking about "deep analysis," just a little bit of thought. You're in a game that revolves around the idea of figuring out other people's alignments, not defensively voting until the end of time.

Again, it's Day 1. Most people are voting based on the last game. I can't do much based on that.

[JAG]

Why exactly are you going after Suicane?

Went for a GE voter in a safe middling spot for a wolf to throw in a vote.

He was also the only GE voter who even had a single vote. Thin case really.

[path12]

I get nothing that says wolf about fontesian right now and find votes on her interesting.

[path12]

Dola, the later ones I mean.

[fontisian]

I get nothing that says wolf about fontesian right now and find votes on her interesting.
fontesian
fontesian
I thought you were better than this, Path.

[path12]

Double dola, grover in particular.

[path12]

Lol. I'm on my phone and my glasses need a new prescription.

[EagleFan]

unvote GoldenEagle

vote Raven

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

4 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177), path12 (204)
4 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), Raven (192), Grover (214), GoldenEagle (223)
2 - Suicane75 - Chief Rum (174), JAG (216)
2 - Raven - fontisian (145), EagleFan (237)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)
1 - JAG - timmae (176)
1 - britrock88 - cheekimonk (197)

[cheekimonk]

unvote britrock88

vote Raven

[timmae]

unvote JAG
vote GoldenEagle

Initial post stating he was a vanilla villager seemed odd. Voted suicane as self preservation and raven jumped ship. Claimed day 1 is a crapshoot later on.

[The Jackal]

Vote Count:

5 - GoldenEagle - Zinto (80), Narcizo (166), Suicane75 (177), path12 (204), timmae (240)
4 - fontisian - HomerSimpson98 (180), Raven (192), Grover (214), GoldenEagle (223)
3 - Raven - fontisian (145), EagleFan (237), cheekimonk (239)
2 - Suicane75 - Chief Rum (174), JAG (216)
1 - timmae - britrock88 (152)

[EagleFan]

unvote Raven

vote fontisian

Let's see what this does...

[path12]

Do you find day 1 jumping around draws out wolves? I think wolves tend to stay quiet day 1.

[fontisian]

Unvote Raven
Vote GoldenEagle

It makes me revert back to a time when font was a synonym for fuck.

[EagleFan]

Do you find day 1 jumping around draws out wolves? I think wolves tend to stay quiet day 1.

Forcing some hands can maybe help see where things stand. :)

[EagleFan]

Was a little curious about font coming out against GE but not voting him. Could be what I like to do, stay off the other vote getter until late so I still have a play, but wanted to find out. :)

[path12]

Forcing some hands can maybe help see where things stand. :)

I get the reasoning. But day 1 I think the tendency would be to sacrifice the one wolf in order to stay hidden.

Been awhile since I played though.

[fontisian]

Was a little curious about font coming out against GE but not voting him. Could be what I like to do, stay off the other vote getter until late so I still have a play, but wanted to find out. :)
Come on EF. Even if I was scum with GE, I'd still throw him under the bus instead of dying. You can do better than that.

[EagleFan]

I get the reasoning. But day 1 I think the tendency would be to sacrifice the one wolf in order to stay hidden.

Been awhile since I played though.

Been a while since most of us have played.

[path12]

Now somebody like timmae who is sitting on a wasted vote but is here, I find that interesting.