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jeff061
03-10-2015, 09:02 AM
Where the hell you buy one of these things? I've been able to ferret out size, style, make, model, all that shit. Now how do I find a reputable place?

Because at this point I'm just going to Tacori's(ugh) website, finding local sellers and yelping them. I bought a smaller piece from one of them, nice service, fancy chain kind of feel(they only have 2 locations) and they are very new.

Is there a trick to this? You always get the band and diamond together?

Honolulu_Blue
03-10-2015, 09:05 AM
I bought mine on-line. It worked out really well.

Unfortunately, I forget the name of the website. It was a long time ago.

Kodos
03-10-2015, 09:05 AM
I got around these problems by proposing with a $15 stand-in ring from Kohl's, and then going shopping for the real deal with my fiancée. I figured she already knew this type of stuff, and it helped assure that she got what she wanted.

albionmoonlight
03-10-2015, 09:07 AM
I went to a local craft/artisian jeweler that I knew Mrs. A liked. It was a non-traditional style for an engagement ring, but I knew that's what she would prefer.

If your soon-to-be fiance appreciates unique or artistic tastes, that might be an option.

MrBug708
03-10-2015, 09:12 AM
Don't go to the mall jeweler's stores

Size isn't anything unless that's all she cares about. Heey-yo!

Don't buy "one of a kind" rings. They arent..

What I had in mind wasn't close to what she liked

Sublime 2
03-10-2015, 09:13 AM
I went online, used Brian Gavin Diamonds out of Texas. They kept me in the loop the whole time and sent me some great "glamour shots" of the ring for the be better half to post all over social media.

cartman
03-10-2015, 09:15 AM
My dad works at Zales HQ. He might be able to swing a discount.

Eaglesfan27
03-10-2015, 09:15 AM
I got around these problems by proposing with a $15 stand-in ring from Kohl's, and then going shopping for the real deal with my fiancée. I figured she already knew this type of stuff, and it helped assure that she got what she wanted.

Same here. She loved it as she helped me pick a ring she will always love.

jeff061
03-10-2015, 09:16 AM
She want's a Tacori band. She started playing it down for cost reasons I think, but I know that's what she wants so I'm going to get that.

I have been threatened to be killed in my sleep if I go to Jared. So yeah, I understand mall shops and such are a big NO.

We haven't had a formal discussion around all this, but she's dropped enough hints and I've been picking up on them.

jeff061
03-10-2015, 09:18 AM
I got around these problems by proposing with a $15 stand-in ring from Kohl's, and then going shopping for the real deal with my fiancée. I figured she already knew this type of stuff, and it helped assure that she got what she wanted.

I like this idea. But, while she's down to earth about most things in life, marriage and the entire process is not one of them. I haven't even put the ring on yet and the inevitable size and spectacle of wedding/reception is giving me anxiety.

Grover
03-10-2015, 09:29 AM
I like this idea. But, while she's down to earth about most things in life, marriage and the entire process is not one of them. I haven't even put the ring on yet and the inevitable size and spectacle of wedding/reception is giving me anxiety.

Get out while you can!

(I kid, I kid)

jeff061
03-10-2015, 09:34 AM
Ha, if she was sitting at home waiting for me to lavish on her I'd be concerned. But to say she is wildly successful at her career(in technology no less) would be an understatement.

But she's all about the wedding, she's an only daughter and she's got parents with money. She didn't go for my Vegas suggestion. God help me.

Lathum
03-10-2015, 09:39 AM
I would talk to any parents friends, etc...that may know a reputable jewler. I was lucky that I got my wifes from a 50 year friend of my dads.

As for the diamond and band I suppose that is a prefrence. You can get one from a wholesaler and then just the band as well

JonInMiddleGA
03-10-2015, 10:10 AM
fwiw, I did find the wife's at a "mall jeweler" many moons ago ... but not exactly.

Classic "little old man" who had a small shop around the corner in the Galleria north of Atlanta (back when it was THE prestige mall in the area). Think "would be right at home running a mom & pop store on Law & Order " kind of classic. I don't even like jewelry but had enjoyed browsing his shop for a couple of years prior, had some great bracelet charms he picked up from estate sales & whatnot, fun for/with an ex-gf sort of trinket shopping a few times. His son was a designer for the big box stores, and the spec pieces they rejected eventually found their way to the dad.

The now-wife picked out the ring she liked from those (which he proudly brought out of the back while telling us all about his son's family) & we had it made. We've yet to see it duplicated anywhere else.

Point being, I guess, is that the "right" one is probably where you find it. I endorse the suggestion above to see if there's a strong recommend from someone you know & go from there.

tarcone
03-10-2015, 10:59 AM
Are we going to be invited to the wedding?

Desnudo
03-10-2015, 11:01 AM
Blue Nile

Logan
03-10-2015, 11:06 AM
It sounds like you know enough already that you have most things covered. As Lathum said, ask some friends who have recently been through the process who they would recommend. Most of these guys don't hold too much stock and if you tell them the particulars of what you're looking for (the Tacori setting is the biggest issue...I think those are pretty limited), they'll be able to pull inventory from their supplier. I would plug all the 4Cs into Blue Nile just to make sure you're in the right ballpark for whatever price they quote you on the stone. From my experience, once you're going the reputable, independent route (ie non mall), prices are all pretty close.

Good luck and congrats.

jeff061
03-10-2015, 11:15 AM
Thanks guys. Great info.

Yes I've used Blue Nile to understand more about the diamond ratings and associated costs, making sure they are in my price range. I was thinking of printing out what I was looking for in a diamond, probably right from Blue Nile, walking into a store and saying "I want this with a Tacori setting".

I'm also intrigued by the idea of ordering a diamond online, if that's a smart thing to do. The diamond I'd be looking at should look flawless to an untrained eye, so I wouldn't expect a close examination of the diamond would be required as long as the clarity/cut/etc is all rated at the right level.

Is that true or are those ratings not exactly trustworthy? Is it just easier to get ring/band together? Ultimately I'd imagine the only reason to get them separate would be to save cash, I don't know how much of a savings that would be.

From my experience, once you're going the reputable, independent route (ie non mall)
Yes, it's confirming the reputable part I'm struggling with given the coin I'm looking to drop. I'm probably over thinking it.

The Jackal
03-10-2015, 12:38 PM
I just went through this a few months ago and got a referral. Smaller jewelers are big on referrals and will probably give you much more personalized attention. It's important to trust the person you are dealing with because the costs associated are just plain silly.

Logan
03-10-2015, 01:47 PM
Thanks guys. Great info.

Yes I've used Blue Nile to understand more about the diamond ratings and associated costs, making sure they are in my price range. I was thinking of printing out what I was looking for in a diamond, probably right from Blue Nile, walking into a store and saying "I want this with a Tacori setting".

I'm also intrigued by the idea of ordering a diamond online, if that's a smart thing to do. The diamond I'd be looking at should look flawless to an untrained eye, so I wouldn't expect a close examination of the diamond would be required as long as the clarity/cut/etc is all rated at the right level.

Is that true or are those ratings not exactly trustworthy? Is it just easier to get ring/band together? Ultimately I'd imagine the only reason to get them separate would be to save cash, I don't know how much of a savings that would be.


Yes, it's confirming the reputable part I'm struggling with given the coin I'm looking to drop. I'm probably over thinking it.

As long as it has the right certifications (GIA or whatever, I'm forgetting by now), yeah they're all trustworthy. Make sure you get a copy of the report before and after...you'll likely need it along with an appraisal for insurance purposes.

Actually, that's another tip...get your shit together as far as insurance before you actually buy the ring, so when you do, you'll have it ready to go immediately. You don't want that thing uninsured for even a second after you take ownership of it.

And you're still going to want to look at it closely. Yeah you don't need to have all the slight inclusions pointed out to you, that you'll never see without a magnifier, but two stones can be exactly equal in all the 4 Cs and one could still sparkle/fire much better than the other due to how it's cut and how the light hits the facets. Sparkle is what you should be paying most for.

I'm sure it's "easier" to get everything together, because, well, you're doing it all at once. But it shouldn't be that much worse going the separate route. You just want to make sure if your stone is a bit unusual in any way (taller than normal, more rectangular, etc) there won't be a problem fitting it in the setting.

rowech
03-10-2015, 03:17 PM
Blue Nile

+1

Neuqua
03-10-2015, 06:43 PM
A buddy of mine that I went to college with works in the industry and I got mine for a great deal. I'm horrible with this kind of stuff so it was a relief that I knew someone who could guide me.

Karlifornia
03-10-2015, 07:02 PM
Where the hell you buy one of these things? I've been able to ferret out size, style, make, model, all that shit. Now how do I find a reputable place?

Because at this point I'm just going to Tacori's(ugh) website, finding local sellers and yelping them. I bought a smaller piece from one of them, nice service, fancy chain kind of feel(they only have 2 locations) and they are very new.

Is there a trick to this? You always get the band and diamond together?

If you can afford it and she is...uh....politically aware..I would get one from BrilliantEarth. Otherwise, I suggest spending as little money as possible, and go all out on the honeymoon. Every woman is different, though.

Young Drachma
03-10-2015, 07:14 PM
Avoid buying retail at a chain store or something terrible.

Blue Nile or James Allen (http://www.jamesallen.com/) are your two best bets online.

CU Tiger
03-10-2015, 08:52 PM
I know nothing in the area. Bought my wife a $400 ring 20+ years ago. Talked about upgrading it but it wouldnt be the one I proposed with.

There is a guy online who has sold rings to 7 of my friends who have all been over the moon excited. This is a post from him that needs reading:

I'm one of the foremost experts in the
gemological field of light dynamics, which is the study and research into how
light slows down, bends, and reacts within gem stones (specifically diamonds).
Diamonds cut to my research standards grace the likes of famed retailers
Tiffany & Company, Cartier, Harry Winston, Van Cleef & Arpels, and a
host of other high-end jewelers. I lecture, teach international classes, and
train people all over the world in light theory, which is utilized to cut
diamonds that are more brilliant, firey and scintillating. The difference
between what I sell and what you find online and in your standard jewelry store
is night & day.....yet I'm still less expensive than them all.



In addition to being a Light Theorist, I'm also a Graduate Gemologist, which is
the highest academic achievement in the gemological world, and hold a graduate
degree from the world's top research institute, GIA.



That said……



I understand why so many people push the idea of shopping at Blue Nile and
other online retailers. Everyone wants to save as much money as possible. And,
in this economy, you'd be a fool NOT to want to save some cash. But, there are
a lot of inherent problems with the online guys that, unless you're in the
industry, you'd never know about. To put it simply, take what you see online
with a grain of salt. Their diamonds ARE NOT what they appear to be.



One of my biggest problems with Blue Nile and many of the other online
retailers is the fact that they don't actually own the inventory they sell.
They simply contract with suppliers around the world to list their inventory
online. Essentially, they're almost all drop-shippers. What's most appalling is
the fact that they have the gall to turn around and give non-round diamonds a
cut grade. If you do a little research, you'll learn that only round diamonds
come with a cut grade (though AGS is now issuing cut grades for princess cut
diamonds). Because of the fact that non-round diamonds can vary in their
length-to-width ratio, it's difficult for grading labs to illustrate exactly
what makes a cushion, asscher, emerald, radiant, princess, pear, marquise, etc
an "ideal" or "excellent" cut grade. Despite the fact that we're able to
determine what dimensions, proportions and facet arrangement & angling are
needed, there are no cut grades issued for non-rounds.



However, if you go on Blue Nile, you'll see a cut grade issued for EVERY shape
of diamond. That cut grade is not coming from a reputable lab, but from Blue
Nile themselves. As I've illustrated by my background, it's not impossible to
say if a non-round diamond is an ideal or excellent cut diamond. But, two problems
exist for Blue Nile. (a) They never, ever see the diamonds they sell….EVER! You
cannot give a cut grade to a diamond you never see b/c you have to put the
diamond in a Sarin machine to map the intricacies, as well as test the light
leakage and return. And (b) Blue Nile does not have any light theorists on
staff, nor do they possess the machinery necessary to cut grade a non-round
diamond. In addition, none of their vendors have this technology either. So,
their cut grades are nothing more than figments of their imagination designed
to illicit sales from customers. Their "signature select" grade is most
galling, b/c many of these diamonds are pure and utter junk; stuff I'd never
recommend to an enemy!



But, there's a lot more to the story than simply Blue Nile inventing cut grades
to sell stones they don't own and never see. To better understand WHY you
should never buy online, you have to understand the structure of the diamond
industry.



There are darn near two dozen levels within the diamond industry. As you'd
expect, diamonds trade hands over and over before they reach the end-user,
which is you the buyer. The diamond industry is controlled largely by 3 large
diamond mining companies (De Beers, Rio Tinto & BHP), in addition to
several mid-sized mining companies. The simple version of the story is: the
mining companies prevent the online stores from getting the high quality
diamonds, b/c if the online stores sell quality, it'll kill the mining
companies.



When you breakdown the profit stream for the mining companies, you'd be
surprised to know that most of their revenue and profit comes from selling the
small little accent diamonds you find in anniversary bands, earrings,
necklaces, pendants, bracelets and watches. At the retail level, the online
stores don't sell much of the "dainty diamond" goods. They largely sell
engagement, wedding bands, and miscellaneous pendants. It's the brick &
mortar stores (B&Ms) that sell approximately 97% of the dainty diamonds
sold worldwide. So, because the mining companies get most of their revenue and
profit from the B&Ms, they have a vested interest in making sure they are
protected from the online stores. They do this by limiting the quality of
diamonds the online stores can sell.



If the online stores sold the same quality as the B&Ms AND were able to
sell for 30-40% less, the B&Ms would go out of business. This is b/c the
engagement business is the pillar of every B&M's revenue stream. A jewelry
store, with all its overhead, can't survive if all they sell are pendants,
bracelets, watches and the like. They have to sell the big stuff, b/c it takes
20-30 pendants/bracelets/earrings to equal the profitability of your typical
engagement ring. So, if the mining companies allowed the online stores and
B&Ms to compete, they'd cannibalize their own profit, b/c the online stores
would eat the bridal sales of the B&Ms (which isn't necessarily bad), which
would cause many B&Ms to go out of business (which is bad). If the B&Ms
go out of business, who's going to sell the dainty diamonds? Women, for better
or worse, have to be able to try on and touch the fashion jewelry they wear and
buy. They're not going to buy that kind of jewelry online. As such, with
B&Ms going under, the mining companies lose a HUGE resource for selling the
hundreds of millions of carats of dainty diamonds they mine each year.



Now, you might ask how the mining companies can prevent an online store from
acquiring high quality diamonds to sell. Well, every sight holder (which are
the companies that act as the distribution arm of the mining companies) have to
report what they sell and to whom they sell the inventory they get from the
mining companies each year. If a sight holder is found to have sold to an
online retailer OR knowingly sold to an import/export company who sold to an
online retailers, they're removed as a sight holder FROM ALL THE MINING
COMPANIES! And, if you're further up the supply chain and are found to be
supplying the online companies with the choice diamonds, you're put on a black
list (yes, one actually exists) and no one will ever sell diamonds to you
again. Believe it or not, the diamond industry is very, very small. Everyone
knows everyone. There might be 300 wholesale diamond companies worldwide, and
120 sight holders.



You're probably asking what Blue Nile is selling if they're not selling the
same quality as the B&Ms. The answer is, they're selling either off-cuts or
junk-cuts.



OFF-CUTS



An off-cut is a diamond that was cut for weight retention and profitability,
rather than beauty and sparkle. B/c diamonds are the most reflective natural
gem stone on Earth, they have a unique ability to act like mirrors. Any light
that hits the surface of a diamond at 28.5-90 degrees from perpendicular,
bounces off the surface the diamond. That unique property allows diamond
cutters to angle the facets (the flat parts of the diamond) such that light is
bounced around the inside of the stone and deliberately reflected through the
top of the stone (called the crown). The higher the percentage of light that exists
through the crown (versus the bottom of the diamond, called the pavilion), the
more sparkle the diamond has. In essence, every shape of diamond has ideal,
dimensions, proportions and facet arrangement & angling that will maximize
the sparkle (or light return) of the diamond. Diamonds cut to maximize sparkle
are referred to as Ideal or Excellent cut diamonds (though every diamond that
is given that label isn't necessarily an Ideal or Excellent cut).



Despite the fact that cut quality is the OVERWHELMING most important aspect of
a diamond's grade, it has the least "value" in terms of price. The biggest
influencer of a diamond's price is its carat weight, followed by its clarity.
So, when diamond cutters cut diamonds, they will deliberately deviate from the
ideal standards in order to eek out a little more weight from each stone. On a
1.5 carat diamond, for instance, an extra .20 carats is worth about $2,000!
Because of that, most diamonds are cut as off-cuts rather than ideal cuts.



Keep in mind, when you buy a diamond, the price you pay isn't solely determined
by the 4Cs. It's largely influenced by the cost of the rough crystal from which
that diamond was cut. As an example, to cut a 1 carat "average" cut quality
round diamond, you'd have to start with around a 1.70 carat diamond crystal.
However, to cut an ideal cut diamond, you'd have to start with around a 2.00
carat diamond crystal. So, the ideal cut is going to cost more.



JUNK-CUTS



A junk cut is a diamond that has some sort of hidden (or not easily discernable)
flaw that threatens the diamond's long-term durability or long-term beauty.
This is an area that most consumers don't understand. The jewelry industry has
spent so much time beating into their heads that everything you need to know
about a diamond is available on the diamond certificate. That, unfortunately,
is blatantly false. The diamond report is nothing more than the cliff notes to
the report card. It isn't even the full report card! It'll tell you the diamond
has a "G" color, but doesn't tell you that the G is the result of a diamond
with a true "H" color that has been lightened by the green hue emitted from the
radioactive skin of the diamond. Is that something you'd want to know???



Often times, the issues that plague junk cuts are not on the diamond report. Of
course, you'd think a quick glance at a diamond with a loupe or a microscope
would tell you if you were looking at a piece of junk. But, that's why junk
cuts are so prevalent……b/c it takes a very trained eye (beyond what 99.9% of jewelers
have) to spot those issues. An example of this is bearding. Bearding is a
collection of microscopic fractures along the girdle of the diamond. They occur
due to too much force being applied to the diamond during cutting. Bearding is
so small that under a microscope, it often looks like a faint fuzzy rim around
the diamond. In fact, most people, even those in the industry, remark that they
miss bearding continually b/c it gives the same blurry-rimmed effect you get
when your eyes are exhausted and the edges of objects are no longer crisp.



What makes bearding bad is that every time she hits her ring on a kitchen
cabinet, a car door or your right jaw (duck), or every time she gets it cleaned
with an ultrasonic cleaner or steam cleaner at a jewelry store, those tiny,
microscopic fractures expand. Now, they'll never expand to the point that your
diamond breaks in half. BUT, in about 10-15 years, those fractures will start
to intersect and small chips and nicks will develop all the way around your
diamond, making it look like the serrated edge of a knife.



Other "issues" could threaten the long-term beauty of the stone, rather than
the durability. For instance, if your diamond has certain types of cavities or
indented naturals, it can trap dirt & oils deep w/in the stone. Once inside
the diamond, it will never come out. And, b/c of the reflective nature of
diamonds, the tinge of yellow or brown will be reflected w/in your diamond for
eternity, making it look dingy or dirty.



You could even have "issues" that have nothing to do with inclusions. For
instance, if you have a diamond whose girdle grade varies from top to bottom by
more than 3 grades, it could be at risk for sitting lopsided in the setting,
shifting to being lopsided in the setting, falling out due to too thick a
girdle, or chipping due to too thin of a girdle.



The thing that makes junk cuts scary is that the most beautiful diamond you've
ever seen can be a junk cut. A "D" color……a flawless diamond…….and
ideal/excellent cut diamond. ANYTHING can be a junk cut, b/c a junk cut has
nothing to do with the diamond's grade and everything to do with WHAT
inclusions are present, WHERE the inclusions are, and HOW the diamond was
proportioned. This is why there are many diamonds on Blue Nile that "look"
great on paper. Excellent cut grade…..great color…..great clarity……the exact
carat weight you wanted……and a great price. Yet, it's a junk cut!



There are dozens of other issues that I could lecture on (sorry about throwing
out so much info), but I'll stop with those two. Hopefully that gives you
enough info to go on.



At the end of the day, the online guys play a vital role in the industry. They
sale the diamond product the stores don't want to sell or can't sell. Now, for
the sake of full disclosure, there are plenty of jewelry stores that sell off
cuts and junk cuts as well. Zales, Kays, Jareds, Helzberg, Robbins Brothers,
Americus and Ben Bridge are all off cut & junk cut dealers, though all but
Zales, Kays & Helzberg do mix in some nice stones with their inventory.



One last thing to add before I sign off…..



Make absolutely sure, no matter what you buy, only buy diamonds graded by GIA,
AGS or G-CAL. There are hundreds of grading labs around the world. And, much
like colleges, they all have their own grading standards without any
governmental oversight or industry regulation. That's important to know b/c you
could start a lab tomorrow, take a doo-doo brown, fractured like crazy diamond,
and call it a D color, flawless clarity diamond (which are the best color &
clarity grades). GIA, AGS & G-CAL are the only labs that use the
prestigious Gold Standard Grading System, which is the world's most rigorous
grading system. All other labs are known w/in the industry as fluff-labs, b/c
they "fluff" or "embellish" the grades on their diamond reports. Some of the
more notorious fluffers are EGL, IGI and AGI. No matter how good the deal you
think you're getting on a fluffed diamond is, you're still getting ripped off.



I'm writing a book currently about all of the legal scams and fronts that most
online and B&M stores run. As part of the book, I sent off the same diamond
to nearly a dozen different labs to get graded. The most recent was a 3.11
carat pear shaped diamond. At EGL, the most common fluff lab, the diamond was graded
as a G/SI2. At GIA, the world's top diamond lab, it was graded as an I/I1. The
difference in "value" at the retail level between those two grades is
approximately $15,000!!! So, a shrewd store can take an EGL stone and discount
it 20% below a comparably graded GIA diamond. They'll get almost every sale,
b/c the client things they're getting a "deal", not realizing they're buying a
fluffed diamond. But, the store ends up making more profit, b/c they sold the
EGL diamond for more than they could have sold it had it gotten the CORRECT
grade from GIA!



When it comes down to it, you have to deal with someone whom you trust to shoot
straight with you at all times. No matter how much info I give you, you'll
never know enough (w/o schooling) to be able to buy w/o any risk of getting
ripped off.



Now, in addition to my consulting practice, I own a private, appointment only
diamond import company that's based in Austin, with an office in Carlsbad, CA.
We import elite quality stones for clients all over the world. By "elite",
I don't me an "expensive". I simply mean that I won't cut corners to
make a sale. In other words, my integrity isn't for sale…..at any price. So, if
I sell it, it's going to sparkle like a portable disco ball and is going to
have the necessary durability to last a hundred lifetimes (not all diamonds are
cut to last more than 10-15 years as I've explained).



In fact, because of my standing in the industry, I'm able to buy diamonds
directly from the distribution arm of the mining companies. There are more
people on this thread than there are people in the US who can buy as far back
in the supply chain as I can. As such, I'm generally 30-60% below retail. And,
in my company's history, we've never been beaten on price by any store, any
diamond broker, or any online company in ANY country.



In addition to diamonds, I have contracts that give me access to just about
every ring designer world wide. So, there isn't anything from a design
standpoint I can't get my hands on.



If any of this interests you, feel free to shoot me an e-mail at [email protected] and I'd be happy
to discuss where you are in the process and how to ensure you end up with not
only a great deal, but the most gorgeous diamond available anywhere in the
world. As I mentioned above, my company is private; meaning, I don't advertise
at all, nor do I take walk-ins. It's by referral only. Since you're not being
referred, you don't know me. As such, I'd be more than happy to provide you
with any of the nearly 1,000 references I have available. The only clients I've
had whom I can't give to you as a reference are the professional athlete,
celebrity and political clients I have.



Also, feel free to ask any follow up questions and I'll make a point to check
back and reply. Whether you choose to deal with me or someone else, I wish you
the best of luck in your hunt. I took the leap of faith 5 years ago and haven't
looked back. It's the best decision I've ever made.



My apologies for the insanely long reply. Hopefully it's helpful and aids you
in your search. Believe it or not, but I gave you a crash course on about 10%
of everything you need to know about diamonds in order to make an informed
buying decision.

cartman
03-10-2015, 09:08 PM
http://priceonomics.com/post/45768546804/diamonds-are-bullshit

jeff061
03-10-2015, 09:18 PM
Great stuff guys. Thanks.

Yeah Cartman, no shit to all of that. Unfortunately I'm not buying the thing for me.

cartman
03-10-2015, 09:29 PM
probably why I haven't gotten married :D

Icy
03-11-2015, 06:35 AM
Damn, luckily my wife is way more intro travels than jewels, so we just went together to buy a white gold one that she liked without any stone on it and expended money on the weeding celebration and travel instead.

Seems you need to be a master of diamonds to buy one, at the end and while I understand the specialist that wrote that long article from his point of view, I bet most of the average people (including me) can't find the difference between a real diamond and a similar looking cheap stone.

Doubt your wife will have the machine needed to examine the angles, light reflection etc to grade the diamond herself after you gift it to her and what she will remember forever is your love, the surprise of the gift and that you care about her and not the diamond perfect cut.

Imho you shouldn't be as stressed about it and just ask the people you know about a local jewellery that carries those kind of rings and that is more or less trusted.

But again i'm not the most qualified guy to talk about it as nor my wife or me care about that at all.

jeff061
03-16-2015, 01:07 PM
So minor update. Went back to the place I bought some jewelry at earlier in the year. I like the guy there, seems honest, genuinely into the trade and his father's a jeweler elsewhere. I get a trustworthy feel from him.

They had 6 or 7 Tacori bands I was able to take a look at, which was good.

They had no diamonds in my quality/price range on hand and he's been working over the last week to track down a couple to show me.

I worry I'm only going to be able to compare and contrast 2 diamonds, is this normal? I'm not likely going to be able to eyeball differences if they are not next to each other, so was hoping for a larger selection.

The Jackal
03-16-2015, 01:16 PM
I looked at four or five in my intro meeting and then chose from a different four or five after that

Logan
03-16-2015, 01:57 PM
I did something similar when working with one guy I ultimately decided not to use. He had me look at 5 similar stones, asked me to rank them on what I thought was best to worst. 5 minutes later he re-organized them had me try again and my rankings were entirely different. Point is, they were all pretty awesome. Just make sure they've cleaned all the stones beforehand, and if it fires, it fires. I know there's a natural urge to overthink this stuff when it's a monumental life event and you're spending so much money, but again...sparkle is sparkle, dull is dull. You'll be able to tell the difference.

jeff061
04-01-2015, 01:47 PM
Final update on this.

The second visit to the place I was at was far more sale-sy. They had 3 diamonds, all costing significantly more than I was expecting based on my research. 2 were at the quality level I was looking for, 1 was below and they were heavily pushing me at the below. It was still a very nice diamond and I'd consider it but the prices all seemed a solid 40-50% out of line. And their clumsy negotiating skills scared me off as well.

Went to another place that had a good selection of Tacori bands, they were able to get 3 diamonds in front of me to compare, all in my quality range and all in the price ranges I had originally expected.

Decided I could look at a dozen other shops and maybe come out marginally better, so I just took the plunge.

Done and done.