The 2015 NFL Draft

[Dutch]

Might as well get this started. First question...what's best for Tampa Bay...Winston, Mariota, or a trade down? What will they do?

I think we don't see any dramatics and Winston goes #1. I would take Mariota. I think either is important for the Bucs...a little success at the QB position will go a long way to legitimize this downtrodden organization.

[albionmoonlight]

If there were an RG3 offer waiting for the Bucs, they should probably take it. But I don't see that out there. So, barring that, they should take a QB. Not sure which one.

[bob]

What do you think RG3 is worth in today's NFL? 4th rounder? 3rd?

[Grover]

What do you think RG3 is worth in today's NFL? 4th rounder? 3rd?

I think because of his age and supposed potential, a second.

[claphamsa]

What do you think RG3 is worth in today's NFL? 4th rounder? 3rd?

nothing, hell be an FA in a year.

[stevew]

Washington should pick up that RG3 option cause it's only guaranteed for injury. If he's trash again you'd know it within a few weeks and you deactivate him.

I'd say Tampa or Tennessee should at least Consider RG3, the redskins #5 and another sliding scale pick in 2016 for #1 or #2

[Dutch]

RGIII and picks would be a fascinating choice, but I doubt the Redskins want to do the rookie QB show right now.

[Peregrine]

If there's some option that lets the Redskins give up all their draft picks for the next 5 years, to get one player - they are definitely the team to do it.

[Dutch]

If there's some option that lets the Redskins give up all their draft picks for the next 5 years, to get one player - they are definitely the team to do it.

To be fair, not a lot of teams are in position to give up all of the Redskins picks for the next 5 years except for them. :)

[Peregrine]

I don't know, they have traded a lot of them...

[Julio Riddols]

I feel like the Bucs best move would be to take Williams the DE, and then start Glennon for a year. That's the safest and smartest move in my opinion. I think Glennon can get it done, he just needs a defense (and a run game, maybe some O-line help) to help out. I feel like the Bucs are wasting a potential asset by not giving the guy one chance to show what he can do over the course of a season. If he plays well but the team doesn't win, you can flip him for a nice pick next year and build a core that can be successful for the long term.

[BillJasper]

I trade down if I'm Tampa Bay.

I think Winston has a world of talent but also could be a headache of epic proportions. But I also can't see either Winston or Mariota reaching their full potential on a Lovie Smith team.

[Kodos]

Would take Mariota over the head case any day.

[QuikSand]

If there's some option that lets the Redskins give up all their draft picks for the next 5 years, to get one player - they are definitely the team to do it.

They've changed.

[QuikSand]

Assuming it's Winston first, like most do, then I think the Mariota situation might be the most intriguing we've seen in a while.

Regardless of whether you support the roll-dice-on-possible-franchise-QB strategy, it is undeniably interesting when any franchise does so. It just defines them for a significant period of time. And that's fun, or at least interesting, to see, even if you're not really a fan of that team.

I felt the same way, to some degree, with Manziel last year, but I think this is a clearer case as an observer. Especially if you factor in that many informed people feel that Mariota might really be best suited to a certain sort of system - then you have the potential that some team either deciding to restructure its system somewhat, or else a "good fit" team making a big move to get into position to take him (can you hear us, Chip?). Either of those situations is pretty compelling.

Personally, I really want to see Philadelphia make the big move and get him. I am simultaneously intrigued, appalled, and titillated by their move toward an uptempo offense, and I'd like to see the system get as fair a shake as possible in the NFL before the insiders reject it. If Chip thinks this is the guy for that, then let's go do the whole thing -- deal Bradford to Cleveland, wheel and deal away the future to get up to pick Mariota, and let's get rid of the safety net.

If the Chargers decide to make the rumored big splash, that's interesting for both teams (including Tennessee, the rumored obvious partner) and I'd like seeing that play out, too.

And hell, maybe Cleveland? Buffalo? Chicago? Someone else on the verge of way overpaying a decent quarterback? Or just sit back and let him go to the J-E-T-S, which could be its own brand of hilarity. There are enough possibilities - and when it's at QB it's easy enough for all of us to digest them - that this is great theater.

[miked]

The only reason I want Mariota on the Jets is to ensure they don't play Geno Smith any more.

[SteveMax58]

At first I wasn't too big on the idea of the Giants taking Amari Cooper with their pick, but the more I think about it, the more I like the pick if he's still sitting there.

Not as big on the other WRs graded for the 1st rd, at least not for the Giants, but I think Cooper is the right type of receiver to flank with ODB. And if Cruz can come back to at least 80% of his old self, could be a really problematic set of options for defenses to cover.

[Logan]

At first I wasn't too big on the idea of the Giants taking Amari Cooper with their pick, but the more I think about it, the more I like the pick if he's still sitting there.

Not as big on the other WRs graded for the 1st rd, at least not for the Giants, but I think Cooper is the right type of receiver to flank with ODB. And if Cruz can come back to at least 80% of his old self, could be a really problematic set of options for defenses to cover.

Not a Giants fan but with holes on the OL and the defense I think it would be crazy to go WR with such a high pick.

[Danny]

I want Williams or Cooper at #4

[sabotai]

On what little I've read about the draft so far this off season, my personal hope for the Giants is to get OT Scherff. But I haven't really gotten up to speed on the draft yet. I'll look over all that stuff this week.

[The Jackal]

Don't worry about speculating about the Redskins trading up from #5. Not gonna happen. QB is a mess, but let's build an offensive line and a defense and start worrying about QB next year - or look for a developmental late rounder/UDFA.

edit: I'd like Williams or Fowler at 5, but hope for some trading back.

[SteveMax58]

Not a Giants fan but with holes on the OL and the defense I think it would be crazy to go WR with such a high pick.

Yeah if Scherff is there, they probably go with him. And thats a definite need for them.

I just think Cooper seems about as NFL-ready & sharp as any kid coming out at WR I've seen in a number of years. And pairing him up with Becham might be the best thing they could do for their running game as teams will not stack the box on them. I also think he might be the BPA between him & Scherff...so I tend to go with the BPA mentality barring an obvious non-need.

They absolutely need a passrusher and a safety more than anything. I'm just not sure anybody as trustworthy will be sitting there at #9. So hoping they can find the right guys to develop in rounds 2-7 (Shaq Thompson comes to mind for S).

[SteveMax58]

On what little I've read about the draft so far this off season, my personal hope for the Giants is to get OT Scherff. But I haven't really gotten up to speed on the draft yet. I'll look over all that stuff this week.

Yep, I wouldnt be disappointed if they go with Scherff.

From what I've read, there is debate on whether he is an OT or a G in the NFL. So that may influence whether teams are willing to take him top 10 or not. The Giants could use both as their line is in need of a talent infusion. Zack Martin was who I wanted them to grab last year instead of ODB, but hard to argue with either pick at this point.

I have heard people compare Scherff to Martin so that would definitely be a nice fit for us.

[Desnudo]

Is Winston or Mariota franchise-altering? Probably not. Unless you have an Andrew Luck level certainty, I'm trading down or taking best player available.

[OldGiants]

I think Winston and Mariotta are this draft's versions of Vince Young and Matt Linehart. Not picking either is the wise thing to do; however bad teams are short on wisdom.

[CU Tiger]

I think Winston has the potential to be.
I think Mariota is ultimately a good guy with career back up potential.

[BillJasper]

I think Winston has the potential to be.
I think Mariota is ultimately a good guy with career back up potential.

I'm all over the place on Mariota. The right situation, I'm wondering if he might be another Aaron Rodgers?

[CU Tiger]

IMHO he doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy of Rodgers.
I think he is at best a very poor man's RGIII. Only after RGIII's injury. I hate it because I want a good guy super star but he is not it.

[SteveMax58]

I think Winston has the potential to be.
I think Mariota is ultimately a good guy with career back up potential.

Yeah thats where I'm at as well. I think Winston has potential to be a Big Ben or Cam type of QB. Perhaps even better potential given his seemingly higher intellect.

But something about going to the Bucs just doesn't sound like a good fit for either side. I'd go with Williams at #1 if I'm TB.

[albionmoonlight]

I know that the rumors we hear are only a small slice of what teams are actually doing. But we are hearing nothing about teams approaching the Bucs about getting into #1 to take Winston.

If that is true, and I were the Bucs, it would make me worry a little bit. About half the teams in the league have been linked to "trade up for Mariotta" rumors. And not one team seems interested in trading up for Winston. Are they sure they've targeted the right guy?

[albionmoonlight]

dola:

And I certainly have not seen enough games, but when I have seen Mike Glennon, he's looked competent. Are the Bucs sure they want to pull the plug on him? If they get a trade down offer, they could fill in a lot of pieces and hope that Glennon makes a leap.

[Vince, Pt. II]

I know that the rumors we hear are only a small slice of what teams are actually doing. But we are hearing nothing about teams approaching the Bucs about getting into #1 to take Winston.

If that is true, and I were the Bucs, it would make me worry a little bit. About half the teams in the league have been linked to "trade up for Mariotta" rumors. And not one team seems interested in trading up for Winston. Are they sure they've targeted the right guy?

How much of this is a function of getting people to click on things though? The Bucs have an obvious need at QB and have (essentially) publicly stated they're going to take Winston. What is newsworthy in a Trade Down rumor, especially if it's not substantiated with all the press out there that Tampa is set with Winston at one?

[BillJasper]

I think Tampa will take Winston. But I think they're also hoping to be blown away by an offer for the first pick.

[Dutch]

I think Lovie is comfortable with Winston. Haven't heard from OC Koetter...but I think his style suits Winston as well.

[stevew]

Lovie is able to take a Bucs team that many thought would win 8-9games all the way to the #1 pick, and then is able to lobby for whomever he wants. Doesn't make much sense. Remind me what exactly he's won?

[Logan]

Shane Ray got arrested for marijuana possession this morning. Not a good start to his draft week.

[NobodyHere]

How early can the NFL punish someone for an infraction? I'm not saying this guy in particular needs punishment but I'm just curious.

Do they have to go through the draft? Do they have to sign a contract with a team?

[Thomkal]

Shane Ray got arrested for marijuana possession this morning. Not a good start to his draft week.

He just wanted to get a heads up on the NFL's discipline policies. What an idiot-I take him off my board no matter how good he might be. Be interesting to see how far he might drop in the draft now.

[cartman]

He just wanted to get a heads up on the NFL's discipline policies. What an idiot-I take him off my board no matter how good he might be. Be interesting to see how far he might drop in the draft now.

That, plus his announced need for foot surgery, aren't helping.

[SteveMax58]

Shane Ray got arrested for marijuana possession this morning. Not a good start to his draft week.

Not sure he'll slip that far but I'd take him anywhere in the 2nd rd without hesitation. Probably still take him in the 1st depending on how you view his talent on the field.

But definitely a stupid thing to do right before the draft.

[stevew]

His Sparq scores suggest he's a bust on the making anyways(or so I hear)

[JonInMiddleGA]

Despite all the feel-good hype surrounding Ray in the lead up to the draft, sounds like the apple didn't fall very far from the tree after all.

The over/under to "back on the block" is probably about 3-4 years.

[albionmoonlight]

A guy who can't stop smoking when he has every selfish reason to stay clean for a few months does not give me confidence that he will make the sacrifices necessary to help a team.

It isn't about whether weed should be a big deal or not. It is about the fact that for a potential draftee, it is a big deal.

It's like showing up late to a job interview. Or wearing a dirty band t-shirt instead of a coat and tie. It demonstrates an inability to understand and care about the rules and expectations of the place that you hope will soon employ you.

[miked]

Wasn't this the same dude ejected from the bowl game or title game?

[saldana]

i just want this draft to be over...normally i enjoy the lead in quite a bit, but the morons on Philadelphia talk radio have not shut up about "moving up to get Mariotta" since the draft order came out...they act like this kid (who i like very much) will show up and be Joe Montana on the first day of mini camp, and that they will win the next 5 super bowls if they have him on their team...meanwhile, not one of them can fathom the concept that the Eagles do not have nearly enough depth and talent on their team to make that kind of a trade and still be any good...it has literally made listening to the radio in the car impossible.

[Desnudo]

dola:

And I certainly have not seen enough games, but when I have seen Mike Glennon, he's looked competent. Are the Bucs sure they want to pull the plug on him? If they get a trade down offer, they could fill in a lot of pieces and hope that Glennon makes a leap.

If I were the Bucs GM I would also wonder if Lovie Smith is the guy to develop a young QB.

[stevew]

So what's everyone got planned for the draft? I really hate this Thursday night BS, of course it makes more money but it was always nice to wake up on on a saturday morning and watch a few hours of the draft. Roger has really taken a lot of fun out of stuff like that.

[JPhillips]

Wonder if this causes him to fall.



Police are seeking to question La'el Collins following the shooting death of a pregnant woman last week, but the former LSU offensive lineman is not considered a suspect, Baton Rouge police Lt. Jonny Dunnam told ESPN.

Brittany Mills, 29, is believed by police to be a former girlfriend of Collins. Police said Collins is not believed to be a suspect in the shooting, only that they want to talk to him to see if he can provide them with information.

Collins' attorney, Jim Boren, told police his client is in Chicago getting ready for the NFL draft. But Boren told Schefter he has been in constant contact with the lead detective on the case and he spoke with the district attorney Tuesday, and that he is going to arrange for Collins to speak with police.

"We took the investigation seriously," Boren said from his offices Tuesday. "We've tried to rule him out as a suspect. We're going to provide that information to the police, and ultimately [Collins] will sit down and talk to them. But the timing is poor."

[EagleFan]

I must admit that this line amuses me.

"We've tried to rule him out as a suspect."


We just keep trying to rule him out but he won't let us... :)

[Chief Rum]

So what's everyone got planned for the draft? I really hate this Thursday night BS, of course it makes more money but it was always nice to wake up on on a saturday morning and watch a few hours of the draft. Roger has really taken a lot of fun out of stuff like that.

Great way for me to workout while watching something more interesting than local news and re-runs of Everybody Loves Raymond.

[stevew]

Much like Adam Silver, whomever is the post Rog is just going to have to roll back some of the dumb changes and he'll become a beloved leader.

[Thomkal]

So what's everyone got planned for the draft? I really hate this Thursday night BS, of course it makes more money but it was always nice to wake up on on a saturday morning and watch a few hours of the draft. Roger has really taken a lot of fun out of stuff like that.

Really have to say after a couple years of it now, I hate the Thursday night draft. It was a lot nicer to have it over the weekend where you could have the whole family and friends over and make a party out of it. You might even be able to barbeque in some places if its warm enough now that they have moved it back. On Thursday night its just an overhyped event and this year one where the #1 and likely #2 pick won't even be there. I'll watch of course, but I won't enjoy it as much as if it was on over the weekend instead

[Julio Riddols]

I too was a big fan of the Saturday/Sunday format. Saturday was just packed full of intrigue, you got 3 rounds of fun instead of just one, and yeah.. You didn't have to go to work the next morning typically.

[EagleFan]

Really have to say after a couple years of it now, I hate the Thursday night draft. It was a lot nicer to have it over the weekend where you could have the whole family and friends over and make a party out of it. You might even be able to barbeque in some places if its warm enough now that they have moved it back. On Thursday night its just an overhyped event and this year one where the #1 and likely #2 pick won't even be there. I'll watch of course, but I won't enjoy it as much as if it was on over the weekend instead

This.

[EagleFan]

Though the first round intrigue has made for some fun talk radio to listen to.

[jbergey22]

Of course just an opinion but I think a couple of you are being a bit hard on Mariota. A poor man's RG3? Mariota is more like Cam Newton with a more accurate arm IMO.

[jbergey22]

Yeah thats where I'm at as well. I think Winston has potential to be a Big Ben or Cam type of QB. Perhaps even better potential given his seemingly higher intellect.

But something about going to the Bucs just doesn't sound like a good fit for either side. I'd go with Williams at #1 if I'm TB.


Winston is going to be your prototypical passing NFL QB. I cant see any comparison between him and Cam unless you mean in that 6-12 range of NFL QBs.

[Dutch]

Winston, if successful long term is going to be everything Bryon Leftwich could've been. And I'm good with that.

[albionmoonlight]

Big Ben seems like the best comp for Winston. Pocket passer with a huge frame to take hits. Great arm strength. Athletic enough to escape the pocket when needed, but not one of the NFL 2.0-style running QBs. Off-field maturity issues. Risk taker on the field--for good and bad. Respected by teammates and coaches.

[albionmoonlight]

dola--and if he becomes as good as Big Ben, then he will be a very worth-it #1 overall pick.

[Grover]

I'm seeing some mocks with Beckham-Green going to the Bengals.

I'd be OK with that.

[Grover]

Really have to say after a couple years of it now, I hate the Thursday night draft. It was a lot nicer to have it over the weekend where you could have the whole family and friends over and make a party out of it. You might even be able to barbeque in some places if its warm enough now that they have moved it back. On Thursday night its just an overhyped event and this year one where the #1 and likely #2 pick won't even be there. I'll watch of course, but I won't enjoy it as much as if it was on over the weekend instead

+1 I LOVED draft weekend.

[stevew]

I'm seeing some mocks with Beckham-Green going to the Bengals.

I'd be OK with that.

seems like a prototypical bengal. domestic violence and multiple drug arrests.

[HomerSimpson98]

Agreed. Maybe Grover is a Steeler/Brown/Raven fan?

[JPhillips]

I'm seeing some mocks with Beckham-Green going to the Bengals.

I'd be OK with that.

I wouldn't. Marvin Jones will be back this year and will make a good #2. The Bengals need DT, DE, OT, or LB before they need another receiver in round one.

[Kodos]

Yep. I miss draft weekend. Heck, with the new setup, I actually forgot the draft entirely one year.

[Grover]

I wouldn't. Marvin Jones will be back this year and will make a good #2. The Bengals need DT, DE, OT, or LB before they need another receiver in round one.

Draft is deep in the defensive front seven. I'd rather see a CB before a LB or OT.

[Eaglesfan27]

Yep. I miss draft weekend. Heck, with the new setup, I actually forgot the draft entirely one year.

Ditto. I had much more ability to enjoy the draft when it was on the weekend.

[Chief Rum]

I'm seeing some mocks with Beckham-Green going to the Bengals.

I'd be OK with that.

Doesn't this guy have Josh Gordon/Justin Blackmon written all over him? And not in a good way.

[Grover]

Doesn't this guy have Josh Gordon/Justin Blackmon written all over him? And not in a good way.

Marvin's done well turning guys around. Adam Jones is an excellent example.

[Chief Rum]

Marvin's done well turning guys around. Adam Jones is an excellent example.

Marvin had a lot of issues with trouble players in his early Cincy years, such that the Bengals became a joke over it. This guy has "issues" written all over him. No way I draft him early.

[BillJasper]

Doesn't this guy have Josh Gordon/Justin Blackmon written all over him? And not in a good way.

This. I'm not sure the first round is where you pick up this type of potential problem.

[BillJasper]

beckham green - - Yahoo Search Results (https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=beckham+green&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004)

Minuses: Green-Beckham won't win Walter Payton Awards. Arrested twice for marijuana possession and allegedly involved in burglary/domestic violence incidents. Disturbing. Considered 'lazy' and 'disinterested' by some. If he's unwilling to build sweat equity, will be out of the league in short order given bad attitude reputation. Unpolished route runner. Missed the entire 2014 season due to suspension. Despite rigid frame, doesn't use strength to his advantage. Struggles at times beating press coverage.

Doesn't sound like someone that's worth the headache.

[QuikSand]

beckham green - - Yahoo Search Results (https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=beckham+green&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-004)



Doesn't sound like someone that's worth the headache.

I agree, that guy sounds terrible. I can't imagine anyone would draft him ahead of this WR prospect, who sounds totally awesome:

Standing at 6-foot-5, 237-pounds and equipped with 4.49 40-yard wheels, [he] is a physical marvel. His long strides and sheer length allow him to beat defenders without breaking a sweat. Soft hands. Fantastic catch radius and body control. If paired with an accurate QB, could wreck havoc on back-shoulder throws. Dynamite field-stretcher. His adjustment skills and ladder-climbing abilities are Mike Evans-like. Given his imposing size he typically plays chuck-and-pluck with passers. Could develop into one of the deadliest downfield/red-zone weapons in the game.

[BillJasper]

I agree, that guy sounds terrible. I can't imagine anyone would draft him ahead of this WR prospect, who sounds totally awesome:

Of course he has the physical tools. If he didn't, we wouldn't be talking about him. Five or ten years ago, the guy is an obvious high first-round pick even with the character flaws.

But after Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon, and the NFL's cracking down on behavior issues, you may have a guy who works his way out of the league quickly. Seems like a huge risk to spend a first-round pick on. Now if Miami could get him in the third, fourth or fifth round, I'd be all for giving him a chance based on the minimum cost of acquiring him.

[Grover]

"sweat equity"

really?

I realize I'm the only guy on this train for the first, and that's fine.

[albionmoonlight]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Browns offer two first-rounders for No. 2 pick <a href="http://t.co/rNL3PNLBq0">http://t.co/rNL3PNLBq0</a></p>&mdash; Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/593458363922395136">April 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Two first round picks would not be enough, so it might just be the Browns shopping for a bargain. And, as a rumor, it's likely not even true.

That said . . .

Really, Cleveland? Mortgaging the draft (and probably some of next year's draft) for another first round QB? That's really the smart play here?

[BillJasper]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Browns offer two first-rounders for No. 2 pick <a href="http://t.co/rNL3PNLBq0">http://t.co/rNL3PNLBq0</a></p>&mdash; Rotoworld Football (@Rotoworld_FB) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rotoworld_FB/status/593458363922395136">April 29, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Two first round picks would not be enough, so it might just be the Browns shopping for a bargain. And, as a rumor, it's likely not even true.

That said . . .

Really, Cleveland? Mortgaging the draft (and probably some of next year's draft) for another first round QB? That's really the smart play here?

I know people will probably think I'm crazy, but I think it's too early to bail on Manziel.

[Dutch]

True, we haven't seen Manziels year 2 ratings fluctuations yet. :)

[QuikSand]

So, it sounds like Titans will deal the pick to the top MM bidder, which is where many/most of us thought this would end up. I think they could come out of this really well in terms of overall value.

[Thomkal]

I know people will probably think I'm crazy, but I think it's too early to bail on Manziel.

Yeah I'm sure if the rumor is true, it will make Manziel even less confident he can recover from his first year. Stupid move if true and they let it leak.

[BillJasper]

Randy Gregory supposedly sliding down draft boards due to "questions about his ability to handle the mental rigors of professional football".

Confusing reports emerge about Randy Gregory | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/29/confusing-reports-emerge-about-randy-gregory/)

[stevew]

Randy Gregory will be fine. All a game to get him to slide into the late first or early second. If the Steelers pass him up I may break a keyboard

[JPhillips]

He's not a great fit for Cincy, but if Malcolm Brown is gone he would be very tempting at 21.

[stevew]

He's not a great fit for Cincy, but if Malcolm Brown is gone he would be very tempting at 21.

you don't need a RB

(Har har joke)

[Honolulu_Blue]

It's been a long time since I have focused this little on the draft. I think it's probably because it's been a while since this Lions have been this far down in draft order.

Don't worry, though, I expect them to rise back up to the top next year!

[Grover]

Bah, saw Bill already posted a similar article, RE: Gregory.

[Mo.Raider]

Are NFL network and ESPN the only place to live stream the first day? I was hoping my NFL Rewind might have something going, but no luck.

[SteveMax58]

Winston is going to be your prototypical passing NFL QB. I cant see any comparison between him and Cam unless you mean in that 6-12 range of NFL QBs.

Well, I see the large build, big(ish) arm, and conventional dropback style. Some questionable maturity issues (though Ben & Cam's maturity issues are different than each other) but overall solid, but not elite for extended period type of QBs.

I'm not sure I'd call Cam a scrambler. Maybe a little in his first few years but I see him as a pocket passer, albeit more mobile than Winston.

[SteveMax58]

Really have to say after a couple years of it now, I hate the Thursday night draft. It was a lot nicer to have it over the weekend where you could have the whole family and friends over and make a party out of it. You might even be able to barbeque in some places if its warm enough now that they have moved it back. On Thursday night its just an overhyped event and this year one where the #1 and likely #2 pick won't even be there. I'll watch of course, but I won't enjoy it as much as if it was on over the weekend instead

Yeah, I knew I wasnt going to like it either. And it has not grown on me at all. Like not 1 little bit of redeeming value.

Its money grabs like this that really make me hate Roger Goodell's smug face.

[Lathum]

Giants need to go OL. Not sexy but they have to open holes in the running game to let Eli play action and have time to throw. I have seen some talk they may go Gurley. I may lose my mind. I could buy cooper because he is so talented thought I
Think it would be a mistake. Of course I also hated the OBJ pick.

[Thomkal]

Think my beloved Cards will go LB, DE or maybe RB now that the trade for Peterson isn't going to happen. (thank god!) Coach Arians likes to hold true to his board however so watch for a surprise.

The Cleveland trade not happening Cleveland says quite emphatically. Also I think this may be one of the wackiest drafts yet-seems to me that more of the top players have character issues, and no one can really predict how that will affect the draft.

[stevew]

How do you figure on Peterson? It's still in play til he's traded or the 2nd round has ended.

[Thomkal]

How do you figure on Peterson? It's still in play til he's traded or the 2nd round has ended.

Well I suppose that's true, but Minnesota has sounded pretty clear that they are not trading him tomorrow. Peterson should just stop whining about his "hurt feelings" and think how lucky he is not to be in jail right now and/or had his kid taken away from him. And given the Cards woes at the RB position, he would likely tear a MCL first day of training camp anyway.

[mckerney]

Hoping the Vikings will pick Kevin White or Devante Parker at 11 and find somewhere to trade Peterson to, but don't think either one of those things will happen. Spielman will probably trade back and take someone terrible and keep Peterson, but such is the adventure of cheering for a team with one of the worst GMs in the league.

[jbergey22]

Well I suppose that's true, but Minnesota has sounded pretty clear that they are not trading him tomorrow. Peterson should just stop whining about his "hurt feelings" and think how lucky he is not to be in jail right now and/or had his kid taken away from him. And given the Cards woes at the RB position, he would likely tear a MCL first day of training camp anyway.

Agree! The Vikings paid him last year when they easily could have released him. They also lost sponsors because of him. He only has himself to blame for any of it.

[Kodos]

Spielman will probably trade back and take someone terrible and keep Peterson, but such is the adventure of cheering for a team with one of the worst GMs in the league.

I remember his days in Miami. Those days sucked!

[NobodyHere]

So do I get drunk and watch the draft tonight or finish up a project for college that's due tomorrow?

Thanks Obama for put the NFL draft on a Thursday.

[The Jackal]

So do I get drunk and watch the draft tonight or finish up a project for college that's due tomorrow?

Thanks Obama for put the NFL draft on a Thursday.

My company decided to have mimosas for lunch today, and our weekly happy hour is on Thursdays ... so I'm already well into pre-gaming

[panerd]

I'm pretty into football and am always looking for a good reason to have some cocktails never realized there were this many parties for the draft. Is it because I live in Rams country? :)

[Grover]

I'm pretty into football and am always looking for a good reason to have some cocktails never realized there were this many parties for the draft. Is it because I live in Rams country? :)

Oh, you're in LA? ;)

[Julio Riddols]

Randy Gregory supposedly sliding down draft boards due to "questions about his ability to handle the mental rigors of professional football".

Confusing reports emerge about Randy Gregory | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/04/29/confusing-reports-emerge-about-randy-gregory/)

His combine interview session showed me an intelligent guy who is working hard on his craft. This seems like a weird thing to say.

[Thomkal]

I'm pretty into football and am always looking for a good reason to have some cocktails never realized there were this many parties for the draft. Is it because I live in Rams country? :)


It's because you have no friends. :D

[miami_fan]

So I am trying to get enthused about the Dolphins' draft. I go to the Miami Herald website and I see this headline.

Dolphins’ first-round pick might reveal if Hickey or Tannenbaum in charge

The day of the draft and I have no idea who is making the pick for my team :banghead:

[NobodyHere]

So I am trying to get enthused about the Dolphins' draft. I go to the Miami Herald website and I see this headline.

Dolphins’ first-round pick might reveal if Hickey or Tannenbaum in charge

The day of the draft and I have no idea who is making the pick for my team :banghead:

As long as they don't get their draft tips from homeless guys you're still up one on the Browns.

[EagleFan]

I just want the hype to be over with. Two months ago I that there is no chance for the Eagles to get Mariota and didn't much care about the hype over him.

Now I still feel that there is no chance and not overly sold on him but with all the hype I have started second guessing myself thinking that I guess it would be nice (I think more so because it beats the prospect of seeing Sam Bradford playing for the team).

---------------

With that said. Imagine if the following two announcements were made...

The Eagles have traded up to the number one spot in the draft.

followed by...

With the first selection in the draft the Philadelphia Eagles select quarterback Jameis Winston.

The internet would break. :)

[EagleFan]

As long as they don't get their draft tips from homeless guys you're still up one on the Browns.

...and if they did get their draft tips from a homeless guy they would still be one up on the Raiders...

[BillJasper]

So I am trying to get enthused about the Dolphins' draft. I go to the Miami Herald website and I see this headline.

Dolphins’ first-round pick might reveal if Hickey or Tannenbaum in charge

The day of the draft and I have no idea who is making the pick for my team :banghead:

You really do get the feeling they have no clue what they're doing down there.

[Mo.Raider]

...and if they did get their draft tips from a homeless guy they would still be one up on the Raiders...

Last year the Raiders had one of the top drafts if not the top draft.

Mack....stud
Carr.....starting qb with a bright future
Jackson....stud guard that will start for 10 years
Ellis....Huge DT steal that is going to look great next to Leonard Williams.;)

Seriously doubt that the Raiders grab the best defensive player in the draft two years in a row, but here's hoping. Williams selection would mean fewer double teams for Mack.

[EagleFan]

I don't know that I have ever had the draft on this early before it started. Have they always sung the anthem before the draft?

[Thomkal]

Kinda hoping Chip Kelly's "mad scientist plan" works and they get Mariotta at #2.

Good luck to all your teams-may they all get the player they wanted.

[Thomkal]

They have said Eagles and Bears going hardest for the #2 pick right now.

[EagleFan]

Kinda hoping Chip Kelly's "mad scientist plan" works and they get Mariotta at #2.


Either way sports talk radio will be interesting in Philly tomorrow. :)

[EagleFan]

They have said Eagles and Bears going hardest for the #2 pick right now.

I do have to say the funniest thing that I heard was that the Titans refused to take Cutler as part of the deal. :D

[BillJasper]

Good luck to all your teams-may they all get the player they wanted.

I think that could be the worst thing to happen in Miami. They ain't got a fucking clue down there. :lol:

[BillJasper]

Flipped on ESPN, realized I can't stand Mel Kiper and switched over to NFL Network.

[stevew]

I do have to say the funniest thing that I heard was that the Titans refused to take Cutler as part of the deal. :D

yeah, I thought so as well. I'd probably do it.

[BillJasper]

Sounds like the Eagles are trying to sell the whole team to get to #1 or #2.

[Thomkal]

Chargers have told Rivers he won't be traded today-so guess my report on this earlier was wrong :)

[sabotai]

Ended up not really doing much research into the players in the draft this year (watching games), so I'll just stick to my original pick. Based on the mock drafts and what people are saying about the players, I hope the Giants get OL Sherff or OL Flowers.

[stevew]

My earliest draft memories are everyone booing Jeff Lageman and Kiper going apeshitz over everyone passing on Trent dilfer

[BillJasper]

Chargers have told Rivers he won't be traded today-so guess my report on this earlier was wrong :)

I think Rivers is incredibly overrated, if I could get to #2 by dealing him, I would. I think the Titans don't want him.

[BillJasper]

I'm hoping Miami can get Melvin Gordon. The RB from Wisconsin.

[stevew]

They're obviously playing with the crowd noise, right?

[sabotai]

Okay, let's get this draft STARTED!!!! (cut to commercial)

[miami_fan]

How fast is Berman driving to go from Tampa to Tallahassee in two hours?

[Edward64]

I predict Jameis will continue to have off field issues.

[bulletsponge]

prediction, Winston will be a bust

[BillJasper]

Good luck to Winston and the Bucs.

[Thomkal]

Shocking ! Winston went #1, shocking! :)

[Thomkal]

I think Rivers is incredibly overrated, if I could get to #2 by dealing him, I would. I think the Titans don't want him.

Seemed like a good fit for Whisenhunt-worked with him in SD, a veteran hw wouldn't have had to develop.

[sabotai]

10 minutes left to see if Chip Kelly comes through with a "mad scientist" deal...

[BillJasper]

10 minutes left to see if Chip Kelly comes through with a "mad scientist" deal...

I think the Eagles are better off in the long run if they don't make a deal.

[claphamsa]

I think the Eagles are better off in the long run if they don't make a deal.

but the league is better off if they do

[sabotai]

Pick is in, guess not.

[Lathum]

Hope the Titans don't take Mariotta, would love to see the Jets grab him.

[sabotai]

If Titans don't take Mariotta, how far does he fall? JAX has Bortles, Oak has Carr, WAS has RGIII, so I guess the Jets are the next likely spot.

[Lathum]

Darn.

And can you get his name correct Roger?

[Dutch]

Good luck to Winston and the Bucs.

Thanks, I am now his biggest fan!

[claphamsa]

they can still trade him!!! and goodel said mariotto

[Thomkal]

Sorry Chip, and sorry Zach Mettenberg I guess too. :(

[sabotai]

they can still trade him!!! and goodel said mariotto

Yeah, the Eagles still have time to get something together.

[stevew]

Darn.

And can you get his name correct Roger?
Roger isn't paid enough to remember names.

[Lathum]

Damn! Rich Eisen SLAMS Mariucci on the NFL Network broadcast.

[Lathum]

JAgs pick in.

Williams or Cooper?

I say Williams

[BillJasper]

Mariota just seems like an odd fit for Tennessee.

[BillJasper]

Damn! Rich Eisen SLAMS Mariucci on the NFL Network broadcast.

I heard that. :lol:

[Thomkal]

Heh Cardinals fans are apologizing to Mariotta about Whisenhunt ruining him :)

[MrBug708]

Sorry Chip, and sorry Zach Mettenberg I guess too. :(

Kiper was trying to hype up Mettenberg

[Edward64]

Cooper

[BillJasper]

Tim Tebow has the highest winning percentage of any recent Heisman Trophy winner. :lol:

[Lathum]

Don't like the pick at all. Everyone wants that edge rusher but if you are the Jags and you aren't going to take the best player you have to take Cooper.

[BillJasper]

If I'm Oakland I grab Leonard Williams here.

[stevew]

Fowler only threw the bar up 19 times. Seems weak

[EagleFan]

If the rumored deals were true it would also mean the deal with Cleveland has to be finalized before anything with the Titans can be confirmed. May be an outside shot but there could still be something in the works.

If I remember correctly when Eli was taken, didn't the Chargers take him first and the trade wasn't announced until the Giants picked.

[Lathum]

If I'm Oakland I grab Leonard Williams here.

They wont. They will take Cooper.

[albionmoonlight]

NFL Draftee suit game about ten years behind NBA draftee suit game

[Lathum]

If the rumored deals were true it would also mean the deal with Cleveland has to be finalized before anything with the Titans can be confirmed. May be an outside shot but there could still be something in the works.

If I remember correctly when Eli was taken, didn't the Chargers take him first and the trade wasn't announced until the Giants picked.

yes

[BillJasper]

If the rumored deals were true it would also mean the deal with Cleveland has to be finalized before anything with the Titans can be confirmed. May be an outside shot but there could still be something in the works.

If I remember correctly when Eli was taken, didn't the Chargers take him first and the trade wasn't announced until the Giants picked.

That was only three spots. I think the Eagles getting Mariota is dead.

[sabotai]

If I remember correctly when Eli was taken, didn't the Chargers take him first and the trade wasn't announced until the Giants picked.

And the Giants picked Rivers. The trade was finalized in a little bit after.

[Lathum]

They wont. They will take Cooper.

:lol:

[BillJasper]

Cooper is a Raider.

[Lathum]

Glad he went so the Giants won't take him.

[Thomkal]

No trades yet. :(

[sabotai]

Well fuck. There goes Sherff.

[claphamsa]

skins fans gonna riot

[BillJasper]

Maybe the Redskins figured out they need to protect RGIII?

[Lathum]

Shit!!!!

Thats who I wanted the Giants to grab.

Now I see them taking White if he is there or reaching for a need, which they usually dont do.

Amazing Williams still there, Jets have to either take him or trade down here.

[Lathum]

dola- If they take Danny Shelton I would be over the moon

[BillJasper]

Chicago has to be giddy at the thought of Williams falling to them.

[bulletsponge]

ahh the Jets, they are usually good for a laugh

[cuervo72]

What was up with that Washington jersey? It had gold lettering for the name.

[Thomkal]

With Bowles as head coach, especting defense pick for the Jets

[Thomkal]

I don't think anyone thought Williams would fall this far-Rapport on NFL Network said a shoulder issue may be why

[EagleFan]

Was hoping the Jets would miss the deadline, for entertainment value. :)

[BillJasper]

Really was hoping that Williams wouldn't end up in the AFC East.

[BillJasper]

I like that the Jets didn't reach for a player. They got the best guy available.

[sabotai]

Two picks to go, best two OL left (I suppose, based on mock drafts) are Peat and Flowers. The Giants could use Shelton, a big DT is a definite need for them. LB is a big need for them too, so they have Beasley and Dupree available. Lots of ways the Giants could go.

[Coffee Warlord]

White lining up to Alshon. Hope he pans out. WR 1st rounders are so damn dicey.

[BillJasper]

I just wonder if the Bears got any better by getting White after letting Marshall go? Seems like a team that was screaming for defense...

[Lathum]

Two picks to go, best two OL left (I suppose, based on mock drafts) are Peat and Flowers. The Giants could use Shelton, a big DT is a definite need for them. LB is a big need for them too, so they have Beasley and Dupree available. Lots of ways the Giants could go.

Yeah, going to be interesting.

[bhlloy]

Hate that pick for the Bears. Seems like the last thing they need

[EagleFan]

Two interesting back to back sentences...

I'm a great guy. I'm humble.

[Coffee Warlord]

I just wonder if the Bears got any better by getting White after letting Marshall go? Seems like a team that was screaming for defense...

They've signed a fuckton of defensive players. Nobody huge, but also, we have a new coordinator who knows more than zero about defense. I don't mind them going offense here.

Though there's still the issue of Cutler throwing to them.

[Buccaneer]

Thanks, I am now his biggest fan!

Are you now going to defend him like you did Schiano?

[stevew]

Berman is going to die on the air at some point. He says so little when he talks.

[MrBug708]

Danny Shelton, Utah...lol

[Lathum]

Not sexy but a need.

[stevew]

he's going to e-reck people.

[claphamsa]

still no trades? why am i watching...oh wait, im not :) go Nats!

[albionmoonlight]

Kiper and Gruden seem to not really get along.

[EagleFan]

Kiper is a douche...

[BillJasper]

Kiper and Gruden seem to not really get along.

I don't Gruden likes Kiper. I was watching something the other day and Kiper kept acting like he knew more than Gruden. Even my wife could tell he was full of shit.

[BillJasper]

Gurley as the 10th pick? :eek:

I guess they're building for LA in a couple seasons.

[stevew]

Wtf are the Rams doing.

[Thomkal]

Can't take a RB just coming offf a torn ACL-he's just another injury waiting to happen I think. Not fully recovered yet either.

[bulletsponge]

LOL, sweet jebus. a rb coming off a torn acl. seriously wtf!

[claphamsa]

playing for LA...

[bulletsponge]

at least i dont have to worry about the vikes taking Girley now

[bhlloy]

Mason looked pretty good. Crazy pick.

[sabotai]

Not sexy but a need.

Yup. I'm happy with the pick.

[BillJasper]

I guess the Rams needed someone else on the roster with knee issues after getting rid of Bradford.

[stevew]

Exactly about Mason. Jeff Fisher gets way too much love for how little he's accomplished.

[stevew]

Mason better demand a trade.

[Warhammer]

Mason looked pretty good. Crazy pick.

So did Mason the year before. They need to address the line. Without an OL it doesn't matter who you have at QB or RB.

Edit: meant Stacy not Mason.

[EagleFan]

Jeez, Waynes gets selected and all they show is bad plays.

[EagleFan]

Probably because he went a ways before Kiper selected (I believe) so they had to show why he was right and the Vikings were wrong.

[bulletsponge]

Jeez, Waynes gets selected and all they show is bad plays.

yea, not exactly making me feel good about the pick.

[miked]

I guess I won't be keeping Tre Mason in my keeper league.

[Lathum]

Shelton to the Browns. Doh!

[EagleFan]

Thanks for throwing a wet blanket on things Suzy.

[stevew]

Awkward dead brother story.

[MrBug708]

Geez, really? Talking about the death of his brother?

[EagleFan]

I can't believe there hasn't even been one trade yet.

[stevew]

That was like when they talk about kid cancer on Shark Tank.

[Lathum]

so glad I am watching the NFL Network

[Lathum]

NFL Network just showed an amazingly emotional shot of David Shaw while Peat was being interviewed. Really cool stuff to see the raw emotion.

[miami_fan]

Hurry up and make this pick Dolphins so I can switch to the Clips-Spurs game.

[stevew]

Who's the really competent and enjoyable guy on the ESPN coverage that isn't Kiper, Gruden or Berman.

[MrBug708]

Louis Riddick

[henry296]

Who's the really competent and enjoyable guy on the ESPN coverage that isn't Kiper, Gruden or Berman.
Louis Riddick.

[stevew]

A trade!!!!

[claphamsa]

i like his shirt

[EagleFan]

Hope for his sake he has no dead relatives that she knows about.

[BillJasper]

Did the Dolphins really need another WR? Had a chance at a decent RB and fucked it up.

[EagleFan]

Damn, was hoping he would drop a few more picks.

[EagleFan]

The 49ers may be on the clock for next year once this draft is done...

[stevew]

There's the 2nd misspelled Eric this round.

[EagleFan]

Andy trying to save another lost soul?

[stevew]

playing out nicely for the Steelers to get an impact OLB. We'll fuck it up.

[stevew]

btw

http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/5/1/ac6bd62a-0d3b-4239-b118-2e288d9c74fb.png

[BillJasper]

btw

http://images.scribblelive.com/2015/5/1/ac6bd62a-0d3b-4239-b118-2e288d9c74fb.png

Holy shit! Those look terrible.

They look like a bloody turd with a piece of corn at the end.

[EagleFan]

Dorsett for the Eagles?

[Thomkal]

Cards fans hoping Dupree continues to fall to them

[stevew]

Holy shit! Those look terrible.

They look like a bloody turd with a piece of corn at the end.

If Chris Borland hadn't made up his mind yet...

I figured they'd go with a Gold jersey, but everything must be black apparently

[JonInMiddleGA]

Thanks for throwing a wet blanket on things Suzy.

That was just f'n awful on her part. As in "find someone else for this slot" awful.

[stevew]

If the Steelers pass on Randy Gregory and/or Shane Ray and draft a TE, I'm quitting.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Randomly: I think the Rams f'ed up. Without the injury, okay. With it?
No chance in hell I'd make that pick there.

Kinda like the Browns DT pick. In that spot, they could have done plenty worse.

[PurdueBrad]

C'mon Steelers...defense, defense, defense!

[stevew]

Bud Dupree?

[Thomkal]

Cards fans hoping Dupree continues to fall to them

damn Steelers

[BillJasper]

Looks like Perriman will be there if Carolina wants him.

[stevew]

damn Steelers

Hey, you'll get him in 10-13 years.

[Lathum]

Nfl network still
Showing that commercial with that family full
Of
Fucking turncoats.

[stevew]

Nfl network still
Showing that commercial with that family full
Of
Fucking turncoats.

aka, the Emmit Smith gave my daughter some great D add?

[Atocep]

I don't think I could possibly be happier about Kevin White to the bears.

[MizzouRah]

Interesting to take Gurley at #10. I can't really argue with the pick to be honest.

[stevew]

Shaq Thompson

[Thomkal]

Hey, you'll get him in 10-13 years.


No doubt :)

[Atocep]

Shaq Thompson

Interesting. I've seen 2nd and 3rd round grades on him.