Anti-Vaxx Idiots Unite!

[Subby]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">California Gov says yes to poisoning more children with mercury and aluminum in manditory vaccines. This corporate fascist must be stopped.</p>&mdash; Jim Carrey (@JimCarrey) <a href="https://twitter.com/JimCarrey/status/616049450243338240">July 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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California's New Law Will Make Anti-Vaxxers Flip A Table: LAist (http://laist.com/2015/06/30/jerry_brown_signs_vaccination_law.php)

[BillJasper]

I always find this video appropriate...

Penn and Teller on Vaccinations - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo)

[Subby]

I hadn't seen that. So great.

[Subby]

Here's a Fairly Comprehensive List of Anti-Vaccination Celebrities (http://jezebel.com/heres-a-fairly-comprehensive-list-of-anti-vaccination-c-1714760128?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

[BillJasper]

Science is scary!

[Desnudo]

Jenna Elfman is such a terrible actress yet I had such a huge crush on her in the 90s.

#celebritieswhodontunderstandtheconstution

[stevew]

How do vaccines cause autism? (http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com/)

[Dutch]

Alright, everybody, gather around...lets hug. :)

[BillJasper]

I have three kids, I've had them receive every vaccination recommended by their pediatrician. Two of them are adults and have had no issues, the third is in the third grade and is showing no issues from the vaccinations.

[Abe Sargent]

We already did this and no one cared.

[RedKingGold]

I have a four month old. I tell our pediatrician to shoot him up with anything he thinks will kill a disease or give him superpowers. When he was bitten by a spider this week, I secretly hoped he would start shooting webs out of his fingers and climbing walls.

[Kodos]

We need a vaccination against stupidity.

[digamma]

That link on how vaccinations cause autism is fantastic.

[lighthousekeeper]

i have a lot more empathy for folks who express their uncertainty about something than for people who set out to shame those who express their uncertainty.

[digamma]

Hold please. Are you saying there's uncertainty about vaccines? Just trying to understand your post.

[NobodyHere]

Here's a Fairly Comprehensive List of Anti-Vaccination Celebrities (http://jezebel.com/heres-a-fairly-comprehensive-list-of-anti-vaccination-c-1714760128?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow)

Not everyone on that list is anti-vaccination, unless what you mean is government mandated vaccinations.

[digamma]

I think I understand what you are saying, but there's a huge difference between expressing uncertainty or skepticism and discouraging others from using vaccines based on clear misinformation. See Measles Outbreak, 2014-2015.

[BillJasper]

I think I understand what you are saying, but there's a huge difference between expressing uncertainty or skepticism and discouraging others from using vaccines based on clear misinformation. See Measles Outbreak, 2014-2015.

But there are so many sources of information from the doctor, to the information packet they give you about the injections to Google. I just don't buy someone with half a brain would need "years" to get comfortable with the idea.

We know that allowing these diseases to run amok unchecked is far more dangerous than the side effects very, very few will ever experience from vaccinations. People have to realize that they and their kids are part of society and being part of society means taking precautions that will protect society as a whole.

[digamma]

I agree with you, of course. And that's really the point, if someone is unsure and has questions, there are answers from years and years of medical research.

[BillJasper]

I agree with you, of course. And that's really the point, if someone is unsure and has questions, there are answers from years and years of medical research.

I get aggravated because so many Americans are so wrapped up in 'personal freedom' that they can't see beyond their own front door.

[BillJasper]

people have uncertainty. despite what some on the internet think, we are not all instantly experts on everything. i can understand someone feeling uncomfortable about being forced to do something that they have not yet been able to gain 100% certainty about. if i wanted to personally know with 100% certainty that all vaccines were safe, it would probably take over 5 years. i'd need to get some schooling, obtain grant funding for research, conduct research on the various vaccines, get my research vetted with other experts, and then know they are all safe. or of course i could just do what 99% of us do: admit we will never have the time to personally know for sure if things are safe and just trust the government and scientific community. but we know that doesn't pan out 100% of the time either. so that is just the position we find ourselves in modern society. because of that I can understand why people are hesitant.

Here's a piece of wisdom: life isn't safe. Nothing is 100% guaranteed in it except for the fact we'll all be dead from something, somewhere along our road of existence.

[NobodyHere]

Here's a piece of wisdom: life isn't safe. Nothing is 100% guaranteed in it except for the fact we'll all be dead from something, somewhere along our road of existence.

You forgot taxes.

[lighthousekeeper]

But there are so many sources of information from the doctor, to the information packet they give you about the injections to Google. I just don't buy someone with half a brain would need "years" to get comfortable with the idea.

Getting 'comfortable with the idea' involves trust, and people have different levels of ease in trusting. It's natural for people to distrust - it is an attempt to stay safe from unknown dangers. If the answer is "trust google", then let's just trust google: My quick google search returns these as the top 3 choices for "are vaccines safe?":

HealthyChildren.org (pro vaccine, but no links to any studies, just a general "the AAP and CDC have studied this, so just trust them) (https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/How-Safe-are-Vaccines.aspx)

CDC site - looks like a great source of information (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/index.html)

Thinktwice.com - looks like lots of anti vaxxer material (http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm)


Reading the 3 top sources from google and trusting them all creates instant cognitive dissonance.

[BillJasper]

Getting 'comfortable with the idea' involves trust, and people have different levels of ease in trusting. It's natural for people to distrust - it is an attempt to stay safe from unknown dangers. If the answer is "trust google", then let's just trust google: My quick google search returns these as the top 3 choices for "are vaccines safe?":

HealthyChildren.org (pro vaccine, but no links to any studies, just a general "the AAP and CDC have studied this, so just trust them) (https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/How-Safe-are-Vaccines.aspx)

CDC site - looks like a great source of information (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/index.html)

Thinktwice.com - looks like lots of anti vaxxer material (http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm)


Reading the 3 top sources from google and trusting them all creates instant cognitive dissonance.

I said Google is one piece of the puzzle. There is also interaction with doctors and the information packet that came for every vaccination my kids have ever had.

It isn't like they say "just trust us". The information is there for people that want to look for it and it doesn't take years to get comfortable with it.

While a limited sample size, I had all my vaccinations, no issues. My two younger sisters had all their vaccinations, no issues. My three kids have had all their vaccinations, to date, no issues. I simply don't know anyone who had an even mild reaction from childhood vaccinations.

[revrew]

It's tempting, particularly at my place of work, to call people who oppose my opinions on issues "idiots."

But a co-worker reminded me recently that we don't know everybody's stories. That sometimes we think poorly of a person, maybe their work ethic, maybe their politics, maybe their stance on a particular issue, until we discover there's a story behind their opinions. It's often a story of grief or heartache or simply an experience they've had that has tempered their thoughts but not ours. So I hesitate on calling even people who hold idiotic positions "idiots."

In the case of vaccinations, I'm a father who had not one, but two, and maybe even three children suffer adverse reactions to childhood immunizations (and no, I'm not talking about autism). I'm the dad who held the screaming baby in his arms, who tried to comfort a panicking mother when the child stiffened in paralysis, who rushed his daughter into the hospital in the dead of the night. I'm the father who tried to reassure his teenage daughter after am immunization-triggered auto-immune disease caused her hair to start falling out in clumps. We ARE the family who falls into those "few people" who suffer adverse reactions to standard immunizations.

So forgive me if I object to the label of "idiot."

[AENeuman]

people have uncertainty. despite what some on the internet think, we are not all instantly experts on everything. i can understand someone feeling uncomfortable about being forced to do something that they have not yet been able to gain 100% certainty about. if i wanted to personally know with 100% certainty that all vaccines were safe, it would probably take over 5 years. i'd need to get some schooling, obtain grant funding for research, conduct research on the various vaccines, get my research vetted with other experts, and then know they are all safe. or of course i could just do what 99% of us do: admit we will never have the time to personally know for sure if things are safe and just trust the government and scientific community. but we know that doesn't pan out 100% of the time either. so that is just the position we find ourselves in modern society. because of that I can understand why people are hesitant.

Good thing lighthouses have no corners, because you would painted yourself into one if they did.

what else do you believe you must become an expert on before engaging? Car breaks? Relationships? Language? Food?

[Subby]

Well my kids reacted fine to their vaccinations, so my anecdotal evidence and your anecdotal evidence cancel each other out. So, hey, let's see what SCIENCE says!

Centers for Disease Control: Vaccines: Vac-Gen/What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm)

[revrew]

Well my kids reacted fine to their vaccinations, so my anecdotal evidence and your anecdotal evidence cancel each other out. So, hey, let's see what SCIENCE says!

Centers for Disease Control: Vaccines: Vac-Gen/What Would Happen If We Stopped Vaccinations (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm)

You see, Subby, if our roles were reversed here ... I would have apologized.

[digamma]

revrew,

I'm sorry your kids had issues with vaccinations--that must have been incredibly traumatizing. As the CDC points out, there are side effects, some mild and common and some exceedingly rare. My kids had the mildest versions, fevers and swollen legs. Did your other kids have issues or did you stop vaccinating them? Are you truly anti-vaccination now?

[Subby]

You see, Subby, if our roles were reversed here ... I would have apologized.
I take that back. If we were face to face we wouldn't be having this discussion and I would be kind to you. I apologize for hurting your feelings. That was not my intent. Sometimes my emotions get the best of me, particularly on line.

[miked]

people have uncertainty. despite what some on the internet think, we are not all instantly experts on everything. i can understand someone feeling uncomfortable about being forced to do something that they have not yet been able to gain 100% certainty about. if i wanted to personally know with 100% certainty that all vaccines were safe, it would probably take over 5 years. i'd need to get some schooling, obtain grant funding for research, conduct research on the various vaccines, get my research vetted with other experts, and then know they are all safe. or of course i could just do what 99% of us do: admit we will never have the time to personally know for sure if things are safe and just trust the government and scientific community. but we know that doesn't pan out 100% of the time either. so that is just the position we find ourselves in modern society. because of that I can understand why people are hesitant.

I have a lot of uncertainty about fixing my car, but it doesn't mean I have to go to mechanic training for 5 years to let somebody fix it. Not the best example, but you need not do the research yourself. The amazing part is that people a lot smarter than you in that area have been doing it for about a century!

[lighthousekeeper]

I have a lot of uncertainty about fixing my car, but it doesn't mean I have to go to mechanic training for 5 years to let somebody fix it. Not the best example, but you need not do the research yourself. The amazing part is that people a lot smarter than you in that area have been doing it for about a century!

This further reinforces my original (any only) point: "i have a lot more empathy for folks who express their uncertainty about something than for people who set out to shame those who express their uncertainty."

In this example, I do have more empathy for folks who wonder if their mechanic is giving them the best deal, versus folks who call those who have those doubts idiots.

[revrew]

I take that back. If we were face to face we wouldn't be having this discussion and I would be kind to you. I apologize for hurting your feelings. That was not my intent. Sometimes my emotions get the best of me, particularly on line.

Cool. I can respect that. Apology accepted.

[nol]

This further reinforces my original (any only) point: "i have a lot more empathy for folks who express their uncertainty about something than for people who set out to shame those who express their uncertainty."

In this example, I do have more empathy for folks who wonder if their mechanic is giving them the best deal, versus folks who call those who have those doubts idiots.

The better analogy would be if your car didn't have any brakes and you were expressing doubts about whether it would be good for your car to have brakes because you'd heard that some people have been injured because the car they were in came to a stop too quickly.

[finkenst]

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California's New Law Will Make Anti-Vaxxers Flip A Table: LAist (http://laist.com/2015/06/30/jerry_brown_signs_vaccination_law.php)

First time I've seen Jerry Brown accused of being a corporate fascist.
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[dawgfan]

So I recently found out that only 76.6% of incoming kids at my son's kindergarten are fully vaccinated. And the crazy thing is, that's only 26th lowest among Seattle elementary schools.

Yay people that don't understand science!

[rowech]

So I recently found out that only 76.6% of incoming kids at my son's kindergarten are fully vaccinated. And the crazy thing is, that's only 26th lowest among Seattle elementary schools.

Yay people that don't understand science!

What is involved in "fully vaccinated"?

[dubb93]

What is involved in "fully vaccinated"?

Call it an educated guess: CDC - Vaccines - Immunization Schedules main page (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/)

[Dutch]

So I recently found out that only 76.6% of incoming kids at my son's kindergarten are fully vaccinated. And the crazy thing is, that's only 26th lowest among Seattle elementary schools.

Yay people that don't understand science!

Or maybe they understand the science but are too lazy or apathetic to take care of it.

[CraigSca]

Too lazy to bring their kids in for their early childhood checkups?

[Kodos]

That's crazy lazy if you aren't giving your kids potentially life-saving shots.

[Dutch]

Too lazy to bring their kids in for their early childhood checkups?

Lot's of adults choose to not support the one's they create at all, why would this suddenly be high on their radar?

[molson]

So I recently found out that only 76.6% of incoming kids at my son's kindergarten are fully vaccinated. And the crazy thing is, that's only 26th lowest among Seattle elementary schools.



The numbers are probably out there, but I wonder if that's a higher or lower percentage than who vaccinated 10-20 years ago or longer. I'm sure there's always the neglectful parent factor, but I'd bet there's more people choosing not to vaccinate today, basically for political reasons. Once this became a political issue that, for some people, defined what part of the political spectrum you were on.

I understand the mocking on this and similar topics and have participated in it a million time myself, but I think its definitely true that once something becomes a "hot" social and political issue and one group aggressively expresses their superiority on an issue to another group, it causes more division, and it actually increases the numbers and passion of the opposition group. In kind of a similar way, I always thought it was weird and counter-productive when some Democrats complain about Republicans being obstructionist and hostile and not working with them, but then also generally express so much anger and hate towards that group, and portray them a certain way as if they're something less than human, or at least, way beneath them. Of course that's opinions, and this is science, but I think the impacts are the same. There's so many huge divisions and peoples' identities are all wrapped up in them.

[rowech]

Call it an educated guess: CDC - Vaccines - Immunization Schedules main page (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/)

If getting a flu vaccine is needed to be considered fully vaccinated then I find that not surprising. Chicken Pox vaccine maybe in the same category.

[tarcone]

As long as your unvaccinated kid doesn't bring a peanut product to school, its all good

[Schmidty]

I take that back. If we were face to face we wouldn't be having this discussion and I would be kind to you. I apologize for hurting your feelings. That was not my intent. Sometimes my emotions get the best of me, particularly on line.

I love ya Subby. You are a good man and a great father. You are also honest. I like that combo.

[dawgfan]

If getting a flu vaccine is needed to be considered fully vaccinated then I find that not surprising. Chicken Pox vaccine maybe in the same category.
It's not just those - it's polio, measles and whooping cough among others.

http://kuow.org/post/seattle-schools-most-unvaccinated-students-are-wealthier-neighborhoods

[dawgfan]

The numbers are probably out there, but I wonder if that's a higher or lower percentage than who vaccinated 10-20 years ago or longer. I'm sure there's always the neglectful parent factor, but I'd bet there's more people choosing not to vaccinate today, basically for political reasons. Once this became a political issue that, for some people, defined what part of the political spectrum you were on.

I understand the mocking on this and similar topics and have participated in it a million time myself, but I think its definitely true that once something becomes a "hot" social and political issue and one group aggressively expresses their superiority on an issue to another group, it causes more division, and it actually increases the numbers and passion of the opposition group. In kind of a similar way, I always thought it was weird and counter-productive when some Democrats complain about Republicans being obstructionist and hostile and not working with them, but then also generally express so much anger and hate towards that group, and portray them a certain way as if they're something less than human, or at least, way beneath them. Of course that's opinions, and this is science, but I think the impacts are the same. There's so many huge divisions and peoples' identities are all wrapped up in them.
I'm sure the rates of parents opting out of vaccinations is higher now than in the past. Overall vaccination rates may be higher in certain populations as social programs have improved their coverage in getting vaccinations to populations that might not have had access to them in the past, but the percentage of parents actively declining vaccinations has certainly risen.

As for why, I think you're partly right. I think there are a lot of factors that have gone into it. There is certainly a strain of thinking that is very skeptical of anything that isn't perceived as "natural". You have folks that have come to not trust western medicine and medical practices, and then you add in people cynical about big business and completely distrust "big Pharma", add in ability of the internet to spread opinions faster and farther than ever before and then mix in a bullshit study (since fully discredited) that tried to link vaccinations and autism and some air-headed celebrities that loudly spread this bullshit around the mainstream, and there you have it.

Yes, those who are aghast at anti-vaxxers (such as myself) don't do our cause any favors by approaching this the wrong way. If you have an understanding of psychology, it's no surprise that studies have shown that presenting facts to a group that contradicts the beliefs of a group can actually serve to harden their disbelief in those facts. I had an interesting conversation with a friend of mine the other night about Dale Carnegie and his approach to influencing people, and it's something all of us would do well to consider.

You're not going to win over someone by telling them "You're wrong about vaccines - there's no connection to autism, etc". You have to take a much more gentle approach and guide them in a way that allows them to feel like they themselves come to the conclusion. When someone says "Those vaccines contain toxic chemicals!" you can calmly reply "Did you realize that all things in the world are toxic at a certain dose? Even water?"

I'm actually sympathetic to some of the core things that I think drive much of the anti-vaxxer movement. I have no doubt that industries - including Pharma - behave in ways that benefit themselves even if it means harming the rest of us. I get that sometimes the scientific community produces studies that are bullshit, and less nefariously studies that simply are poorly constructed or incomplete and conclusions are drawn from them that are not correct. I get that people don't trust every scientific advance and strive for more natural approaches (I generally support organic farming). But I also understand the scientific process, I can see the clear connection between vaccination and the dramatic reduction in some terrible diseases and I trust that there's been enough scientific cross-checking on all the factors that go into vaccines that I'm not actually poisoning my kids.

It'll be interesting to see how the inevitable court challenges to California's new law on opt-outs fare. I certainly hope to see Washington enact similar legislation.

[rowech]

It's not just those - it's polio, measles and whooping cough among others.

http://kuow.org/post/seattle-schools-most-unvaccinated-students-are-wealthier-neighborhoods

I know. What I was saying was that if in order to be considered "fully vaccinated" one would need to have the flu vaccine then there are going to be parents who did not have that one done and I don't think that makes the school any more unsafe.

[dawgfan]

I know. What I was saying was that if in order to be considered "fully vaccinated" one would need to have the flu vaccine then there are going to be parents who did not have that one done and I don't think that makes the school any more unsafe.
If you read the link provided though, it's the relatively low rates of measles, whooping cough and polio vaccinations that stand out and are worrisome.

[Subby]

Anti-Vaxxers Fund Study That Finds Zero Link Between Vaccinations And Autism | IFLScience (http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/anti-vaxxers-fund-study-finds-zero-link-between-vaccinations-and-autism)

[flere-imsaho]

That didn’t stop the group from claiming the results didn’t change things. In a statement, they say that they had “concerns about changes in the study design protocol and analysis that may have led to these contradictory results.” The contradiction they are referring to is the fact that they were previously given preliminary results from a smaller trial, which purported to back up their position, before the study was expanded to include more subjects and underwent more rigorous standards that eventually found zero evidence.

Truthiness wins again!

[Subby]

Great news!

Measles Has Officially Been Banished From the Americas (http://gizmodo.com/measles-has-officially-been-banished-from-the-americas-1787182781)

[Easy Mac]

Sports Dig had this in the 1500s.

[stevew]

Vaccination Coverage Among Children in Kindergarten — United States, 2013–14 School Year (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6341a1.htm)

Mississippi of all places does Vaccinations the best. Wow.

[Galaril]

So, if people are not going to have their kids immunized for anything that my kids can catch they should home school their kids.

[Butter]

Vaccination Coverage Among Children in Kindergarten — United States, 2013–14 School Year (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6341a1.htm)

Mississippi of all places does Vaccinations the best. Wow.

So, the map key is 4 different shades of blue? Fuck you, CDC.

[MrBug708]

Vaccination Coverage Among Children in Kindergarten — United States, 2013–14 School Year (http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6341a1.htm)

Mississippi of all places does Vaccinations the best. Wow.

The poorer the state the higher the instance of government involvement. In this case vaccines at low or no cost

[QuikSand]

Big day today!

RFK Jr. says Trump still wants 'vaccine safety commission' - POLITICO (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/robert-f-kennedy-jr-trump-vaccine-safety-commission-235058)

[Easy Mac]

If vaccines are so great, why didn't God create them. #makesyouthink

[Easy Mac]

The commission would be made up of “Americans of the highest integrity” who had not previously taken a position on the vaccine safety issue, Kennedy said. They might include corporate CEOs and “doctors on television

They're not even trying anymore. This is really a parody article, right?

[Subby]

Anti-vaxxer ‘warrior mom’: If vaccines are so great, ‘why aren’t they mentioned in the bible?’ – DeadState (http://deadstate.org/anti-vaxxer-warrior-mom-if-vaccines-are-so-great-why-arent-they-mentioned-in-the-bible/)

[kingfc22]

Face Palm

[molson]

Oh ya, people forget this now, but i'm pretty sure the sermon on the mount was all about withholding available medical treatment for children. Jesus wouldn't shut up about that...

[tarcone]

It was on the the 3rd tablet that Moses dropped and broke. The 11th commandment was "Thou shall be vaccinated". But it was never known.

[JPhillips]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/a8b1d4817f1a964b548820405cb66327/tumblr_mvb7r9inVE1rxam8fo2_250.gif

[tarcone]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/a8b1d4817f1a964b548820405cb66327/tumblr_mvb7r9inVE1rxam8fo2_250.gif

:thumbsup:

[stevew]

My favorite facebook antivaxxer got arrested for DUI and was found with about 6 illegal drugs. I chuckled.

[Subby]

US measles outbreak is largest since disease was declared eliminated in 2000
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/24/health/measles-outbreak-record-us-bn/index.html

I guess the anti-vaxx idiots have united :banghead:

[dawgfan]

There's some hope though:

Measles Vaccine Bill Makes It Harder To Get Exemptions In Washington State : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/714713364/washington-state-senate-passes-bill-removing-exemption-for-measles-vaccine)

[tarcone]

Stupid stupid people. But, HEY, they didnt get autism. Oh shoot, they died from the measles. But, HEY, they didnt get autism.

Sigh.

[QuikSand]

...this is now the issue I feel most strongly about, these days. Ugh. Always bad news.

[JPhillips]

Part of that outbreak is in Orange County, NY.

My home county!

Vaccinate your damned kids.

[Lathum]

https://jezebel.com/everything-i-learned-while-getting-kicked-out-of-americ-1834992879

Long read but interesting. These people are bat shit insane. The Robert Kennedy stuff is crazy how he takes advantage of peoples distrust of big business.

There is also a part at the end where a guy claims if there was a proven to be safe vaccine he would give it to his kids. Umm, how about we don't see people walking around with polio anymore?

[Lathum]

dola-

I just realized I got this from Twitter and it was posted by Terpkristen

[Toddzilla]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/a8b1d4817f1a964b548820405cb66327/tumblr_mvb7r9inVE1rxam8fo2_250.gifOy.

[Subby]

They're baaaack.

Anti-vaccination leaders seize on coronavirus to push resistance to inoculation (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/05/05/anti-vaxxers-wakefield-coronavirus-vaccine/)

[Qwikshot]

I loved these people who think Bill Gates is going to microchip them while they walk around with cell phones all day which are already tracking them....truly smart people.

[Lathum]

I loved these people who think Bill Gates is going to microchip them while they walk around with cell phones all day which are already tracking them....truly smart people.

Same ones protesting with their Iphones at Occupy Wall street

[Toddzilla]

I loved these people who think Bill Gates is going to microchip them while they walk around with cell phones all day which are already tracking them....truly smart people.

Same ones protesting with their Iphones at Occupy Wall streetNo. Quite literally NOT the same people.

[sabotai]

HBomberGuy spends an hour and 45 minutes shitting on Andrew Wakefield and the British media's coverage of him and his shitty study and it is glorious.

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[tarcone]

Okay, here is the latest conspiracy theory, seems ms the Chinese released the Covid 19 virus hoping the United States would create a vaccine which the majority of Americans would take,now the Chinese are going to release another virus which works with the vaccine to kill the ones that got vaccinated.

Bio war

[NobodyHere]

That's actually kind of brilliant.

[Ghost Econ]

Vacception

[cartman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">True story: Denver Sheriff Deputy “Duke”, a former Marine, posted anti-vaccine videos/pictures on Facebook.<br><br>➡️Outcome: He dies of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID19?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID19</a>. He was just 33-years old. <br><br>He’s the 2nd Denver Sheriff to die in 2 weeks. Please <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/vaccinate?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#vaccinate</a><br><br>(ht <a href="https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RzstProgramming</a>)<a href="https://t.co/BhGtyRVcsh">pic.twitter.com/BhGtyRVcsh</a></p>&mdash; Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) <a href="https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1398104302493777920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[PilotMan]

Thoughts and prayers

[RainMaker]

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[BYU 14]

I don't take joy in that story, but I really don't have any sympathy for him either.

People write their own scripts in life and from his social media, he relished his role of egomaniacal douchebag, so he got the ending he asked for.